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He shouldn't have been retarded and just stay with Sakura giving her some needed emotional support instead of leaving her all alone.

Urobuchi wrote that he was depressed during Fate/Zero and was relieved by FSN having a happy ending so he could just splurge emo all over it without destroying all hope in the end

Shitty /a/ shit by Gen, who cares

>>8010754
Get the fuck back to /a/, retard.

Fate/Zero is obviously better plotted than FSN, and Kariya is an excellent tragic figure. His sacrifice is even better because we know in advance (from FSN) that it will be useless.

I especially like the distinct lack of highschoolers in miniskirts among the masters this time.

>>8011013
>lack of highschoolers in miniskirts among the masters
>waver.jpg

>>8011025
Hey dude F/Z is supposed to be mature as HELL. There are no skirts or exposed tits anywhere. Just people battling all day with superpowers HELL yeah

Kariya dies without accomplishing anything.

He would have had an okay chance at winning if he had trained magecraft all his life instead of the stitch-job overnight-magus treatment he got, and used his two command seals more intelligently.

I cried like HELL watching this scene.

This is episode fucking first and already is heart-breaking as HELL.

Yes, I officially truly sympathize Kariya because among the others, he's the only TRUE BRO in F/Z, sacrificing himself for a little girl without any hesitation and she's not even from his family.

Not to mention that Berserker is a fucking BADASS, unlike this ape shit from FSN.

>>8012543
>watching
I've been out of the loop for a long time, was this adapted into an anime?

>>8012571
By Ufotable (as Kara no Kyoukai).

>>8012592
Not DEEN? This is the greatest day of my life.

Why didn't he just order berseker to kill matou?

also why did the 5th war start only 10 years after the 4th?

>>8012597
>Not JC StaFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF like last time? This is the greatest day of my life.

fix't.

>>8012607

>Why didn't he just order berseker to kill matou?

Because tearing his body apart would not kill Zouken, he would have to find Zouken's soul-worm (in Fate/Stay Night, it is revealed he has placed his soul-worm over Sakura's heart).
Furthermore, he can only use Berserker with Zouken's worms in the first place, if he even thought about rebellion he'd be devoured from the inside-out in seconds.

>also why did the 5th war start only 10 years after the 4th?

The 4th war ended with the grail filled and never emptied, the prana didn't disperse due to a failed (or accidentally successful, in the case of the third war) ritual.

>>8012627
Ok but why did sakura manage to leave the Matou house in HF without the worms killing her for disobeying him?

>>8012628
Her vagina is a black hole. She can do whatever the fuck she wants in HF.

>>8012628

She is strong enough to resist the worms on her own, due to being a legitimate mage in the first place, as a small child.

10 years of training afterwards, and Zouken's ability to control her via worms is severely diminished and Sakura only obeys him because she's conditioned to do so.

>>8012628
Because Zouken's goals require Sakura being alive

Too bad the anime has been complete and utter trash so far.

>>8012693

It's been a magnificent adaption, go back to every other flavor of the month /a/ material for your moe-moe slice of life and/or plotless shounen actionfests, plebian.

>>8012702
It's been boring shit and the visuals are unimpressive to say the least. The CG cars were laughable and the fact any face that isn't in the front of the frame is off model is ridiculous.

>>8012702
>plotless shounen actionfests

Funny, you just described the entire Fate franchise

Hes a pedo and she loves being raped, they deserve everything they get.

>>8012713
>It's been boring shit
I kinda agree but considering the first half of the first volume is pretty much only exposition what did you expect?

BEST ADAPTATION EVER ALMOST SHITTIER THAN ORIGINAL

>>8012713

Back to /a/ with your shallow values, as an adaption it is superb.

>>8012720

Haters gonna hate, but if you're calling a massive VN such as F/SN "plotless", anything shorter than War & Peace must not even be a book to you.

>>8012753
>Haters gonna hate
Back to /b/

>massive VN
It's massive because Nasu is a retard who writers repetitively and is full of pointless fights and COOKING

>>8012756

>Back to /b/

There was no better turn of phrase to express my disdain of disdain for disdain's sake. See, it's wordy like that.

>It's massive because Nasu is a retard who writers repetitively and is full of pointless fights and COOKING

You could cut it to a quarter of its size, taking out half the fights and ALL the cooking, and it's still as long as a thick novel. It's not plotless by any measure.
Fluffy and a bit bloated, sure.

>>8012753

>adaption

That isn't a word, TM kiddy.

>>8012765
What plot? Your average shounen plot?

What happens in UBW?
Shirou is a retarded idiot that wants to save everyone even when people tell him it makes no sense. He fights the final boss who is a million times stronger than him but wins through unlimited plot hack works.

Oh, but shirou doesn't kill him. Shounen protags aren't allowed to do that so archer comes back for the killing blow.

yeah great plot

>>8012772
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>>8012693
angry and buttowned

>>8012772

>What plot? Your average shounen plot?

Never seen another battle between heroes of legend, myself.

>What happens in UBW?

A great deal of things.

>Shirou is a retarded idiot that wants to save everyone even when people tell him it makes no sense.

Yeah, he has a lot of characterization to explain fucking why he is the way he is. IF you read the VN, you'd know that.

>He fights the final boss who is a million times stronger than him but wins through unlimited plot hack works.

No, he catches the final boss off guard and presses his advantage for every inch it's worth.
No, he doesn't even really win. Gil totally could have killed him with one hand, the fight got interrupted by Angry Manju.

>Oh, but shirou doesn't kill him. Shounen protags aren't allowed to do that so archer comes back for the killing blow.

Shirou fucking stabbed Kotomine in the fucking heart with a fucking dagger that fucking exploded.

>yeah great plot

You forgot the everything that wasn't the final battle.

>>8012777
Being a broken idiot is not a good excuse to be illogical.

You just proved how the idiot won through plothax.

It's a fucking shonen story.

And I ain't even the same guy you responded to.

>>8012783

>Being a broken idiot is not a good excuse to be illogical.

>Being broken is not a good excuse to be broken

Wait, what?

>You just proved how the idiot won through plothax.

How he got an advantage through clearly defined character traits.
Did you never meet Gilgamesh before the battle?

>It's a fucking shonen story.

Shounen isn't inherently bad.
You cannot say it is plotless.

I have to agree that FSN is a stupidest shit ever (at least UBW and FATE routes).
Shirou is a completely illogical imbecile and I truly hate him.
But there's nothing to deal with F/Z relation. F/Z is different and way better at least because there are no schoolboys-moralfags.

I kinda like Nasuverse and characters but dislike his silly graphomania in FSN, this shit is simply unbearable to read for an adult who's familiar with good books / movies / whatever and not mentally retarded to masturbate on protag and manly servants dying in idiotic ways.

That's why Gen-sama is better with making plot interesting and complex.

Give up, anyone stupid enough to call f/sn a shounen isn't worth the time of day. They'll be stupid forever.

>>8012802
>anyone stupid enough to call f/sn a shounen

Fat bitch in denial, how silly.
Babby's first VN I suppose.

>>8012799

>F/Z is different and way better at least because there are no schoolboys-moralfags.

Yeah, we don't want actual characters getting in the way of our grimdark and old men having plotless fights.

>>8012799
> dislike his silly graphomania in FSN, this shit is simply unbearable to read for an adult
it helps when it's not in shitty english

People who claim F/Z is so much better than F/SN are so happy to see the Fate franchise steer away from the Nasu garbage so much they don't see all the Gen garbage

>>8012799

Shirou has ONE flaw in logic, and he is not a "moralfag" by any measure.

Tohsaka's more of a morally-driven character, despite not wanting to admit it.

Shirou's only damage in logic is that he considers everyone else's life as more important than his own. He has no sense of self-preservation. That's it.

And it's thoroughly explained why.

>>8012830
>hey, you should get molested, might teach you about being a ladylike
>hey, i'll hide UNDER THE BLANKET instead of below the bed while opening the windows
>hey, you're more powerful than I am but I will defend you instead
>what are they doing in front of me, why is rin licking saber
>why is saber taking too long to cum, tohsaka already made her wet as fuck she should be sensitive

That's because you have a Japanese dick, Shirou. And don't give me that Rider thinks you have a nice dick. Greeks at the time she lived were puny ass people the size of Japanese were. Really huge people came from Germania, Scandinavia and fucking Russia.

>>8012850

>hey, you should get molested, might teach you about being a ladylike

I don't recall this, explain?

>hey, i'll hide UNDER THE BLANKET instead of below the bed while opening the windows

That's the player's decision. I prefer ambush-chair Shirou.

>hey, you're more powerful than I am but I will defend you instead

Because he considers Saber's life more valuable than his, like I said.

>what are they doing in front of me, why is rin licking saber

Standard japanese character reaction

>why is saber taking too long to cum, tohsaka already made her wet as fuck she should be sensitive

nasusex

>That's because you have a Japanese dick, Shirou.

Japanese don't have orange hair

>And don't give me that Rider thinks you have a nice dick. Greeks at the time she lived were puny ass people the size of Japanese were

8 foot Alexander and 11 foot Herakles disagree

>>8012856
>I don't recall this, explain?
Mitsuzuri
>That's the player's decision. I prefer ambush-chair Shirou.
He actually entertains the thought. Since Nasuverse is multiverse, it means he's that fucking stupid to entertain the idea.
>Because he considers Saber's life more valuable than his, like I said.
And this doesn't change the stupidity of it.
>Standard japanese character reaction
above
>nasusex
above
>Japanese don't have orange hair
In Japan, they do.
>8 foot Alexander and 11 foot Herakles disagree
Because everyone is that tall, amirite? Rider has a fucking height complex. She thinks everyone is smaller than her. She wouldn't feel that way if she met people taller than she is. She's a freak.

>>8012867

>Mitsuzuri

Still not following you.

>He actually entertains the thought. Since Nasuverse is multiverse, it means he's that fucking stupid to entertain the idea.

Yes, but not all ideas are equal. See: any option that leads to a bad end.

>And this doesn't change the stupidity of it.

It's part of his fucking character, it is not a failing of logic or intelligence, it is a judgment based on value that he makes that is biased due to his utter lack of self-value.

>above
>above

Quality of the writing is not the subject matter here.

>In Japan, they do.

Shirou's ancestry is unknown.

>Because everyone is that tall, amirite? Rider has a fucking height complex. She thinks everyone is smaller than her. She wouldn't feel that way if she met people taller than she is. She's a freak.

It's predominantly because her sisters are cute lolis who harassed her into thinking she's ugly.

>>8012856
>>hey, i'll hide UNDER THE BLANKET instead of below the bed while opening the windows
just saying, not all beds have a space under the bed to hide into

>>8012878
>Still not following you.
Get out.
>Yes, but not all ideas are equal. See: any option that leads to a bad end.
Shirou gets celebrated for his bad ends too. It's only fair he get treated as a stupid moron for his stupid choices as well.
>It's part of his fucking character, it is not a failing of logic or intelligence, it is a judgment based on value that he makes that is biased due to his utter lack of self-value.
>Quality of the writing is not the subject matter here.
Neither of this erase how stupid he is.
>Shirou's ancestry is unknown.
Now you're just being an idiot.
>It's predominantly because her sisters are cute lolis who harassed her into thinking she's ugly.
She still thinks she's uber-tall even when she's not in a land of small people in Ancient Greece.

>>8012882
Yeah, because hiding under the blanket sure works. lol

>>8012885
Ancient Greece is actually also a land of tiny people.

The average height of a man was staggeringly less than those seen in the modern generations of north america.

Rider would only feel the modesty of her height beside one such as I.

>>8012867
>Because everyone is that tall, amirite? Rider has a fucking height complex. She thinks everyone is smaller than her. She wouldn't feel that way if she met people taller than she is. She's a freak.

NO YOU ARE A FREAK, you don't fucking talk like that about mai waifu, ugly bitch.

>>8012889
>>8012889
How does that have to do with what I said? You said hiding under the bed was more logical, but you didn't even stop to think if he actually could.

And do you usually stop to check under the blanket (in a big, fluffy bed WITH CURTAINS like Ilya's where he wouldn't even make a lump) when you notice your prisoner is missing and there's an open window suggesting he escaped? No, you don't, you try to catch the fucker before he escapes.

Why didn't Kariya just hire Tohno to kill Zouken?
It'd be pretty simple for Shiki to help him out. Killing the worms in Sakura would be no different than killing the poison in Kohaku.

>>8012916

Nanaya Shiki at this time was living at Tohno mansion after his entire clan got slaughtered.

He did not have the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception.

>>8012628
>Ok but why did sakura manage to leave the Matou house in HF without the worms killing her for disobeying him?
To begin with, it was basically needed for her to be suitable for Zouken's little off-shoot ritual of the heavens feel to work. His little vessel needed some space and in one sense, to be at ease a bit. Then have her emotions jolt up etc.

Zouken couldn't/didn't care about acting in the other routes because of Sakura's condition.

>>8012850
Wasn't really going to respond to this, but I might as well considering people who did missed a few things.
>hey, you should get molested, might teach you about being a ladylike
This is really taken out of context, it was a very badly placed attempt at a relatively non-serious joke. He felt bad about having said it afterwards.
>hey, i'll hide UNDER THE BLANKET instead of below the bed while opening the windows
Multiple choices. But people tend to not make sane choices while trapped, and in distress. Still though, the walls of the mansion had eyes and ears, literally. Not that he knew, but still.
>hey, you're more powerful than I am but I will defend you instead
So? To have the weakk protect the strong is by far a new thing and have in fact been expected in many cultures. Just because someone is strong doesn't mean they shouldn't be protected. Also, it's very much so explained why he have trouble estimating a value for himself, so to place a bet on how well his magical prowess could save a girl isn't that weird.
>what are they doing in front of me, why is rin licking saber
That was, sudden. Contrary to popular belief, he very well knew what sex was etc. But there is a time and place for everything, and some things are not meant to be in all cases. Yes, why is Rin and Saber going down on eachother? Oh sure sex have magical elements to it, nothing unexpected about that, but is this still the place for this? Should this actually happen like this?
>why is saber taking too long to cum, tohsaka already made her wet as fuck she should be sensitive
Surely you are a sexually masterful virgin yourself. Also, this was before even the internet was mainstream.