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Is that some shooped pic?

>>7979581
you get Remi in the expansion

>NOTE: Please run the game on Windows 95 compatibility!

>>7979588
[ ] Silly Japanese people
[ ] Silly translators
[ ] Silly translating method

>>7979564
If I hadn't already beaten the game, I'd have been pretty butthurt about those postgame spoilers.

>>7979609
It's nothing huge. It's not like the surprise antagonist's sitting there on the OP.

I wish I liked RPGs more, they are a great timesink method, instead of the arcade/adventure games I usually enjoy, that last only a few hours.

I'll download it eventually. I swear.

Also, no bloomers today, Milady?

>>7979620
I'd consider unlockable/postgame characters to be a pretty big deal.

>>7979627
But since they're advertised on the cover of the expansion which was sold separately, they're not exactly supposed to be a secret anymore.

>>7979646
You never see the covers while downloading the game. Either way I'm out of here before this turns into an autistic shitstorm.

>>7979676
It won't. These threads are pretty good on the autism front.

Man, my motivation to play this game has been shot in the foot ever sense Inner Eientei. What happened?

>>7979691

Something might have made you lose your motivation. I've been meaning to play but I've been playing less since stage 17. I'm at the three party split and I've lost the will to play.

>>7979738
i kinda lost motivation to play in the beginning of the expansion for a couple of months. As you start with a 2 man party and you need to recruit former members therefore boss fights but you need to search for the bosses

>>7979625

I've got your bloomers.

I hope I'm not the only one who had terrible perverted thoughts from this one. Especially from the thing that dropped it...

>>7979738
I think it's the sudden difficulty spike going in to Inner Eientei, then the sudden drop afterwards. I've lost my momentum.
Mood counts for a lot too; Eientei feels important and climactic. They tried to make Youkai Mountain seem like a long, increasingly difficult slog up the mystic mountain...but it just doesn't work. The overly dramatic battle music and goofy/pathetic enemies sees to that too.

>>7979789
>Stab damage reduced to 25%.

>>7979789
>Night Sparrow Pate
Geez, poor Mystia, getting butchered before the game even starts.

>>7979738
I personally found that the real problems start coming when you have to fight the maids. Unfortunately I've been busy this weekend, but the Hyper Fang Crush grind is literally taking forever, and it doesn't help that after I get it, I have to pray that I don't lose to Chihiro, who deals ridiculous damage for some reason. I'm really looking forward to getting to the expansion's content though.

>>7979789
>Armored Bloomers
A chastity belt.

And what kind of monster dropped that?

>Play the game in 16 bits and windows 95 compatibility
>game still crash during cinematics

Why am I bothering again?

>>7979814
Aside from the long sentence which I wasn't aware of, when I said

>I have to pray that I don't lose to Chihiro

I didn't mean that I had to beat her after getting Hyper Fang Crush. I just mean beating her in general. The entire sentence seemed a bit misleading after I read it a second time.

>>7979810

A martian chicken/raptor elephant.

Kanako and Suwako went down beautifully (on the times Kanako didn't use her nuke on Sakuya), even though I guess I sort of cheated by using instant death on Kanako. All I have to say is that Youmu really appreciates that slash weakness, froggy lady.
Also, thanks for being useful at finding Suwako's weakness, Satori. I guess you're a nice way to waste a slot on my party when I'm too lazy to check up on a guide.

Surprise attack by two Yukkuri sisters!
...they both use Run.

Goddamn I can't beat remi-yan and nitori. ;_; I've been level griding by beating enemies going back to save circle over and over.

>>7980021

Spam everyone's last spells and use Reimu's barrier to prevent Charm.

>>7980021
1. Shoot at them until they die.
2. Have Sanae use her RES up spell.

Is Remilia capable of doing 99k damage like Reisen or Yuugi?
I've been using Sanae, Reisen, Mokou, and Byakuren as my goto party for the post game (at stage 27 now, oh boy), with the last spot changing between Patchy, Remilia, Reimu and Satori for learning only.
I'm curious because the more I use her, the more she seems like a tank type while Mokou has pretty much become a disable bitch for Reisen or secondary damage if I go the best glove and final finger route.

What do I use for the evil sealing circle? the left, middle or right option?

>>7980139
Left prevents "permanent" status effects. (Poison, Silence, Sleep, etc.)

Center Prevents "Variety" effects (Buffs and Debuffs)

Right prevents "Instant" effects (Burn, Freeze, Daze, Instant Death)

What's the deal with HFC?
I already got her to use her second bomb but she keeps doing every single spell she knows but no HFC.

Arondight is a better weapon for Sakuya than Great maid for Eintei, correct?

Trying to decide on who all should get weapon upgrades for Eintei. So far I've gotten Nitori, Sakuya, Marisa, Byakuren and Moukou their sunflower seed weapons. I'd like to get Youmu a stronger weapon but not sure which would be better for the long run: spend 2 rusty blades on Muramasa (25 exo, instant death prco) or have her use the weaker Kashasetsu (50 exo, +5 crit, slayer on youkai/undead) and save up rusty blades for later weapons.

Other than Youmu and those who already have weapon upgrades, there anyone else that it's worthwhile to get an upgrade for? Don't really like Patchy's book and I typically throw the Gamer Fan on her. Reimu and Sanae I plan to use as healers for the two groups and don't really need stronger weapons. Aya is pretty weak since I haven't used her as much as I'd like, but not sure it's worth spending crafting mats on her fans rather than just give her a decent sword or axe. Alice only has one worthwhile upgrade, and she can't get it yet. Satori I've heard could use the green eye but I haven't learned any enemy spells for her so far.

Man, I can't seem to do anything at stage 18 without Sakuya. The parties without her can't handle the enemies.

>>7980345
I got the muramasa instead of the next tier one since it was 1 iron less but I kind of regret it. does the death effect stack with her skills that cause instant death?

>>7980345
Sanae's fourth snake might be useful if she doesn't have anything to do for a turn, since she can smite something and hope the poison kicks in. Aya's fourth fan gives a nice evasion bonus, if you're trying to build a hyper evasive tengu. Patchy's fourth book has a nice MP bonus, if you're spending too much of it. Rainbow Greaves are Rainbow Greaves. The Green Eye might be useufl if you copy Poison Mist, but it doesn't seem to help too much for me. As for Youmu, I'm using her slayer katana but I'm not sure if I should move up either (I'm most likely going to wait until the second slayer katana).

>>7980239

She uses it ABOVE 25% health. She will not use it with her double bomb. She will randomly either focus magic or focus physical. If she focuses physical she will HFC the next turn.

It's hours of bullshit.

For most characters, you shouldn't need to forge weapons until the 6th tier of weapons. I would go for some character armors first, tier 2 armors can be very good and only cost 2 character reagents. Youmu's and Sakuya's tier 2 armors are much better than the their weapons you can craft at that time, I still used them in the expansion until I could get up to the new upgraded armors, which was a while.

I did use Byakyuren's 4th tier weapon for a while though because it has Divine Barrier and that's when I could use her + status and scroll trees fully.

I don't even use Patchy's weapons, I just stack 1 element like crazy with staffs. Not only do I get more spell power with staffs, but I can start healing for at least half of her health after the 1st round of a fight when using the stacked elements land bonus.

Poison Mist is terrible, don't use it. Satori's default Poison Art will do much more damage per round. Her Green Eye weapon can be nice though if you stack + Poison dmg gear, I can get up to 800 dmg per round that way.

You should level all your party members to at least level 50 at stage 18, you can get some good items and reagents there as well when leveling them up.

When making progress on that stage, I just had 1 main party clear out each path first to make sure I could move safely. The levels are mainly for the 3 bosses you will face there and to make sure you don't get slaughtered by stage 21 enemies if you want to use them there as well.

>>7980573

>For most characters, you shouldn't need to forge weapons until the 6th tier of weapons

So you'd suggest just using chest/drop weapons until then? Seems like you'd have an excess of character specific mats, though I see your point on the armor; when does tier 2 armor become available?

How the hell does anyone even beat Satori? I've seen people say she's easy, but she keeps wiping the floor with me.

I can stop her healing, but that's when she rapes me with party-wide wipeouts.

the game gets kinda easy once you can use one spectacle of fate + moon-reflecting satellite slash to get 100k exp

>>7978551
Don't mind me, I am not offended at all, since I was not the poster in question that posted the information.
I just saw your reaction as a bit extreme to some helpful information.

>>7980239
Yeah, do not let her drop too low in health, or she will not use Hyper Fang Crush. When you see her use Store Power, the next turn will be Hyper Fang Crush. When you see her reload bomb, it means her life is too low already.

>>7980419
Poison Mist is bogus, don't use it. Just use Poison Art or Poison Hand for real poison damage.

>>7980604
the answer to beating all bosses so far(i'm on stage 8)is to rush them before they can attack by using patchouli as support and spamming magic

>>7980594
After getting to stage 21, I can say that you should use items you pick up. It is not that the character specific items are hard to pick up or anything, it is the other materials that are annoying to get. Iron and Steel are hard to come by, especially Iron, since one of the better weapons require a whole ton of Iron to forge.

>>7980645
I've been doing just that, but there's always something that happens just before I claim victory.
(Ex. Killing World dispells the moment Satori switches to Water and heals all her damage. Or she switches to Earth and petrifes everyone, then rapes Reimu before I can even use Evil Sealing Circle)

>>7980573
One of Sakuya's early weapons lets her basically solo one side of Eientei, so that is definitely worth making. Otherwise yes, the armors are better in general, especially for Nitori.

As for the last thread and Hinotori Skydance being risky: no not really. -33% def with a 75% chance to hit the center is actually more survivable than 50% on Hakurei and as a bonus getting raped by small aoes. You just have to shut down breath users which is very easy and should be done regardless of formation.

I still used Scarlet Moon and the IND/RES up formations more than anything else for the Main game. After that it was Wall of Faith and Anti-Yukkuri.
One of the posters in thread 5 or 6 was talking about how they used a team of Sanae, Mokou, Nitori, Patchy, Satori in Skydance for almost all of the game except a few bosses like Tenshi so I have to imagine that it is an even better formation than I gave it credit for. I'm personally not a fan because I liked Reimu for healing since I don't use Alice.

>>7980608
what level do you get that?

>>7980594
you only need to make weapons for characters that do physical damage. for magic characters you can use whatever, except for marisa who should use any crafted broom for the 2x mp regen.

>>7980604

I believe I did that fight with Alice, Sakuya, Sanae, Marisa and Patchy in the active party, with Aya as my commander for the casting speed bonus.

Sanae should start off with a group wide RES buff followed by MATK buff. Once set up, all she'll do is reapply buffs, dispel Permanent effects, and use the non-spellcard aoe heal if need be.

Sakuya should wait until the buffs you want are up and everyone is relatively topped off, then just Killer World negate Satori's healing.

Alice is just tanking, dump everything into Manipulation, with anything extra into Craft. Giver her the best elemental magic blocking shield you have.

Marisa and Patchy are your main damage dealers. Just make sure that you have one of every elemental attack available to use for Satori's elemental shifting.

Aya's commander bombs can be useful, with the cheap bomb helping to dodge attacks and the expensive bomb useful for emergencies.

>>7980705

>for magic characters you can use whatever

Yeah, other than Marisa, no caster really gets a good specific weapon except maybe Byakuren's Deva Scroll for the IND bonus.

>>7980675
Unless I am mistaken, both Hinotori Skydance and Hakurei formations have the same or very similar AoE range, so it does not really matter. The only measure I see is Reimu's small AoE healing, and she tags the same amount of people in both formations.
Which is more survivable depends on who is in the party. If you have Mokou, Sakuya, Youmu, Reimu, and Satori, Hakurei is more survivable than Hinotori Skydance.
However, if you have a party of Patchouli, Mokou, Marisa, Satori, and Nitori, then Hinotori Skydance is probably more survivable. This is because the defense drop won't matter as much, since if they hit your weak characters, they will just die regardless of the drop in defense or not. This is in contrast with the earlier team, where if your characters were hit with lowered defenses, it will make a difference, since they all, except Satori, can take a hit.

The moment when the light bulp popped on Satori's head my hear skipped a beat.

I am so happy right now.

>>7980968
Hardcore, bro. I would never have the patience to keep retrying that.

So, just download:
Prepatched game with expansion set:
http://www.mediafire.com/?a8c1by6btaid7

And apply those 2 patches and thats it?

>>7980968
is breathless strikes worth learning?

>>7980913
But you still have double the chance of hitting anyone but the center so even in the best case survivability isn't much better, and you lose the defend and spd down combination. Basically you are trading a strong tank for a slightly more defensive front line and a barely better than normal tank.
Most people keep Sakuya in her low p.def Multistrike armor, and Reimu's def isn't so great that she can survive more than 2 strong hits even with no def down. So in that case you have Youmu being the most notable improvement. If you are equipping Sakuya in updated non specific armor she is going to survive 2-3 hits with def down, or 4 with no def down both are way more than necessary to survive.

The only group I can think of where Hakurei has a large advantage is those eels that counter everything with lightning breath. The dragons and most other breath users are going to be shut down immediately by either blocking or status. At the same time, enemies that do strong single targets on people like the Death Fairies or Knights will still kill everyone but the tank in one shot and even the tank can't handle as much and is being targeted less on top of it.

>>7980992
I am fairly certain a prepatched game does not need to be patched. The patches are there for people who were playing before. If I am wrong, I hope someone will correct me, but I've been playing the first link with no patch without issue (to be fair, I don't know what the patches do).

>>7981000
I don't know. I learned it while grinding at Youkai mountain.

The tsukumogami slayer effect sounds pretty cool, though.

>>7981009
Yeah i guessed that, wasn't totally sure.

Downloading.

>>7980675
Right now I ditched both Neo Hakurei and Hinotori Skydance for the ungodly good POISON SHIELD

yes, no bonuses for the rear, but they all stand in a line which allows Alice to parrar them all the time. The center person gets amazing bonuses.

has anyone tried using sakuya's perfect maid skill? at what level does it give more defense than armor you can find?

I've probably just got the broken brain, but I can't get this to work. Downloaded all of the components, had them form up the complete files, but when I try to start it up, it just loads for half a second and then nothing happens.

I went over the readme, but it was not helpful in resolving the issue.

Anyone know what's up? I'm terrible at this sort of thing in general. I just recently had some major disappointment trying to download an .iso for Xenoblade to see what the fuss was about, but five days of waiting produced only a damaged archive and 10 gigs of wasted bandwidth. I could use some cheering up about now.

>>7981008
It just seems Hakurei formation is better at survival than Hinotori Skydance, if you have a group that is able to take hits.
Hakurei formation chance of targeting:
center - 50%
2 and 3 - 17% each
4 and 5 - 8% each
Hinotori Skydance formation chance of targeting:
center - 75%
2 and 3 - 8% each
4 and 5 - 5 and 4% respectively
Sure, if you use Hakurei formation, the tank gets targeted less, but my point is the other people are fairly tough, so they can take a hit, since there is no defense drop.
Hinotori Skydance does not offer this, which I contend that a fragile group will allow Hinotori better survivability, but does not hold for a non-fragile group.
I don't really use Sakuya's multistrike armor unless it was when I first craft it. That 10% chance of multistrike is not worth the major defense drop.
Both formations get pre-defend. Hinotori Skydance gets speed drop + defense buff for the tank, which will help the pre-defend effect. However, this is in contrast of the painful defense drop for your other characters.
I did not say much about breath attacks, because I think breath attacks ignore quite a bit of defense, so defense drop or not would not matter too much against a breath attack. The worries are mainly AoE non-breath physicals and the off-chance your other characters targeted.

>>7981285
Oh, if Alice is in my group, then I tend to use formations that I can Marrionette Parrar effectively in. Like Scarlet Moon, Sunshine Lunch, Free Fight, etc. Poison Shield is great too for even more survivability. But if you want damage, it's Scarlet Moon.

>>7980675
Right now I ditched both Neo Hakurei and Hinotori Skydance for the ungodly good POISON SHIELD

yes, no bonuses for the rear, but they all stand in a line which allows Alice to parrar them all the time. The center person gets amazing bonuses.

How old is this game, anyway? It feels old.

>>7981409
C78 game, there are UFO characters

>>7981415
Must just be the "classic" formula it uses then.

Are there any more recent translated games, or is this pretty much it as far as that goes?

this game would be purest perfection if Tenko was playable

well the game got boring for me. grinding shit sucks.

>>7981708
you're clearly not japanese enough.

>>7981728
that's a racist comment considering other asians have grinding skills as well.

>>7981009
eh, I patched the prepatched.. what does the new patches do?

My enemies don't drop synthesys materials, how the hell am I supossed to get them? Besides opening chests, of course.

>>7981442
i think that ace attorney game starring aya got translated recently too

>>7981840
I think most synthesys materials are like 0.1% or something.

>>7981840
I got iron once off of something.
then i died

>>7981708
Crazy, because the only time I've ever had to grind was right before the final boss.

>>7981848
so all your characters are very low-level then? its kind of impossible not to grind.

>>7981840
>>7981845
They are very easy to get in the expansion. That's why it's been recommended to use them sparingly during the main game even if you intend to collect everything, since you can do so later.

As the instruction manual said, the unique weapons are flat out intended to be superior to everything else, and is balanced by rarity that makes you not be able to keep up with upgrades often so you have to choose.

>>7981919
As an addendum, most "rare" drops are very common or at least guaranteed repeatable quest rewards in the expansion. What you really have to grind for are the common ~5% drops, especially Iron. Iron so much so that you might want to remember that you can make it from the other materials.

>>7981873
Not him, but I beat the final boss with most of my characters in the low 50s. Highest was Mokou in the upper 50s.
The only grind I did was getting Satori to learn the all Fire, Lightning, Water, Light, Shadow spells.

>>7981919

The only thing I would add is that staves are as good or better than unique caster weapons for most of the game. Satori in particular has awful Matk on most of her weapons.

>>7982101
I'm in stage 15 and I have yet to find another use for her except stacking IND

I suppose that changes in the endgame.

>>7982105

Satori is a good caster even before that, but she's very reliant on Matk to be any good at it. Once she can get all the Matk from her growth trees and keep 20 points in her Satori tree (39 points) she catches up to Patch on elemental multi-target damage. Before Patch's land bonuses of course.

>>7982205
>all the Matk from her growth tree
which one? 3rd Eye? Staffs/Eyeball?

I can't defeat the squid magicians in the palace of Earth spirits. They are faster than Aya and the first thing they do is paralyze my whole party. Then, they proceed to insta-kill me while the other enemies crush me, specially if there's more than one squid or a cat.

How should I deal with them? I only have one accesory to block paralysis.

>>7982289
They are weak to physical, especially piercing damage, such as guns and lances.

Try to get the initiative:
- Aya commander 3-bomb
- Aya Illusionary Dominance
- Private Square
- Sonic Stream formation
any of these

another method is trying to buff RES with Sanae and hoping for the best, or even using Reimu barrier.

Well, I'm totally convinced that the RNG is a troll. Once I started trying to get HFC made a tally to see have many tries it would take. It took 43, which is honestly what I expected. Then I went back to grind out some of the ones I missed and kept the tally going. The highlights:

Petro Breath, 1 try
Drain Blood, 87 tries

>>7982213

13 points in third eye is +30 Matk
Then 16 points in Staves for +30 more.
Her Eye weapon tree only has +20.
Then int dump.

>>7982302
did that, and the MATK is still inferior to Patchouli's... when she's Machouri.

>>7982318
Not him, but even in staff mode she was never able to beat patchy with her bombless moves. On top of it patchy can double cast on the highest land and crit magic.

Satori only becomes a good damage machine with the post-game skills. During the main game she is great for chasing but that's about it damage wise.

>>7982318

Don't compare Matk, compare damage. Satori's spells are easily better than Patch's low strength spells, and almost as good as the medium strength ones. They just blow compared to Patch's bombs.

>>7982361
She was probably at her best spamming Starlight Barrier and healing.

I need two silver trays? I'm on stage 10, and my Sakuya needs a new sword.

>>7982289
I always ran away from them.

Okay, so I'm on stage 14 (or 15, whichever is Bhava-agra) and I've run around hitting switches and getting keys and whatnot, and I've got one gold key (the last one I think) and I know where the door is.

Only problem is this one electric barrier suddenly popped up towards the beginning of the level (directly to the left of the second area, i.e. if you take the top exit of the big bridge with the switch in the middle of it in the first area) and now I can't get to the door anymore. I've spent at least an hour or two running all over the entire level trying to find the switch to turn it off and I'm getting nothing.

Anyone have any ideas? Is this a glitch? If so I'm fucked, my backup saves don't go far enough back anymore. It better not be the game fucking up, I sank a good 50 hours into it so far and at least 5-10 of that was grinding autism skills with Satori.

>>7982376
She was useful as a support+damage unit, but talking damage only... You need the +40% learning damage, and +30 matk to be good. By choosing staff you lose a decent IND boost, and scan.
With those points Patchy can also have +20% ele damage, +25% magical ele str, +20% non card damage, +20 m. atk with a massive mp pool and near magic immunity. You also have the choice between +30 m. atk on staves or some massive speed boosts magical mastery.

I also used Satori for the main game because like most people on /jp/ the thought of missing learned skills I could have had for free is just too much.

>>7982446
which one do you mean? Make a screencap or something

>>7982453
I find even with all the advantages Patchy has, Satori's just infinitely more versatile. I can spec her to be a healer, a buff/debuffer, a damage-dealer in every single element type, a status inflicter, etc. She can cover almost any situation, while Patchy is just mostly just straight-up damage dealing and some land manipulation.

Useful, yes, but a specific type of useful.

>>7982486
well, but so far everyone else is better at that specific field. Whenever I fight bosses, Satori is left out most the time because I need at least the three life-savers Byakuren-Sanae-Alice, and two situational members, mostly the physical juggernauts Sakuya-Youmu.

>>7982481
That should've been my first thought, yeah.

This ugly bastard right here. It only came up after I cleared this section up to the gold door the first time; now that I'm back with the key it's suddenly up and being a bitch.

>>7982497
I've been using Satori/Byakuren, with Mokou tanking and Sakuya/Youmu doing most of the damage, and it's gotten me up to Tenshi so far.

Had to swap out Mokou for Alice a few times, and Sanae's res buffs were essential to a few instant-death causing fights, but otherwise this team's gotten me through a lot.

>>7982446
I had a similar bug where the doors would take me to completely random rooms and refill my chests as well. Hell, one golden door even reappeared for a while.

Guess you could try restarting the game/die in the dungeon or re-enter it and see if it fixes this. My bug just vanished after restarting the game.

>>7982511
I've lost count of how many times I've restarted, but I'll try dying. No items on me, so here goes.

>>7982486
and focusing on using a staff is throwing all of that away except elemental nukes and healing. Its not like you should let anyone fall behind, so if you need massive amounts of elemental damage you are better off swapping someone else in to catch them up.

Its sort of like the Hakurei discussions earlier. Yes, it is probably the best average at everything formation, but aren't you better off changing your formation and party to suit the battles? Her strong point for the main game is multi-target debuffing with damage and support. In the same way, you can turn Sanae into a pretty beast physical attacker, but how many people do you see do that? I know I did just because I got lazy and tired of the whole oh damn I need res buff for this group let swap in Sanae.

>>7982503
When the ray at the bottom of that screen is closed, that will open. So you need to close the bottom one and take the alternate way around without switching anything.

Dunno about comparing a black mage and a debuffer, but I use Satori by buffing her IND to the max and spam Greater confusion. Makes anything with low RES pretty much a joke. Helps a FUCKING LOT in random encounters. And her area venom skill becomes brutal later in the game.

>>7982503
>>7982520
yeah, that is exactly the reason why you can go in a roundabout way to the entrance, there are two routes to stage 15

>>7982520
Well shit. Thanks a million sir. Have a Satori as thanks.

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>>7982548
Eeewwww, take it back!

Aaaand Tenshi opens with a move that flattens my entire party, Alice shield or no Alice shield. This'll be a fun fight.

>>7982587
you would laugh if you knew how fucking many skills Tenshi boasts.

Really, I reiterate, it's a bummer you can't get her on your side

>>7981941
How the hell did you manage that? My characters are mid fifties to 60 and I can't even deal a quarter of the first fight reliably. If I bring in my good team which are mid 60s they can win but then have no mana for the actual fight.

>>7982595
I've got Mokou AND Alice tanking, I just need to get the timing right for Alice's Earth absorb skill. Mokou's +60% to health gives her 560 hp right now, so I'm getting to see rather a lot of Tenshi's skills in a row just whaling on her after the rest of my party gets one-shotted.

Temple Crush is the only thing that can really hurt Mokou at this point, but because I'm using Sanae on the front lines instead of commander, Mokou's Last Word just refuses to trigger even if she's going one-on-one with Tenshi for 4-5 turns...

>>7982621
>I've got Mokou AND Alice tanking
of course. You should.
... unless you have the proper gear.

What I did was:
-giving Alice (off center) an Earth blocking Shield (you get one in the stage I think)
-giving Mokou physical gear
-have Alice spam Mystery Spectrum

>>7981941
Calling bullshit. You'd have to literally run from almost every encounter to not level past that just from running through the dungeons.

>>7982599
You probably need to swap your growths around and that sort of thing.
If Mokou can use her volcano skill every round she should be the mvp of the first and second parts. Make sure you are managing buffs properly.

>>7982621
I personally found Reimu to be much more useful for that fight. I put everyone in a crowded formation so she could area heal everyone.

>>7982621
There are some battle where you are forced to use Reimu damage nullified barrier.
Using that + Alice little legion alternately practically make you invulnerable to anything.

>>7982644
People actually fight in the temple when you first get there? Nope beeline straight to the boss.
Instant Kill Fairies and Solders, 1 shot kill your entire group Worms, Demons, Super Mind Flayers, Mini bosses.
The turtles and atlas mobs are easy though. That 3 split? Running all day every day.

>>7982574
Gladly.
For Tewi, just debuff her accuracy and raise your evasion, Satori and Sanae can do that nicely.
For Reisen,just bruteforce the fuck out of her, preferably with Sakuya's beast-slaying sword. Just remember to buff her, set the land to an element, to buff that element with Patchouli's cards, and obviously to buff Sakuya's weapon with that element. Bringing Sanae along to get a RES buff can help, as well, but then the Tewi fight will get a bit mroe dangerous.

>>7982644
Nope. Ran from the enemies with 1 hit kill aoe attacks like breaths in stage 20/21. Other than that I haven't been running much at all. My main problem is using one party almost the whole time.

Anyone else have the problem of the game crashing during the dialog after the second boss fight?

>>7982752
Severely underleveled and only training one party? What the fuck man. I don't even know how that's possible without going out of your way to do it, unless you actually are lying. I can't think of any way you can just get unlucky enough for that to happen, since you should be 10 levels higher even if you never found a single yukkuri or grinded once. Dodging every single monster on the map, maybe?

>>7982979
I was level 51 at the end of split and I never ran from any battle, only avoided some mobs.
If you don't fight many monsters in the temple finishing at ~55 wouldn't be hard at all.

>>7982705
>That 3 split? Running all day every day.
I'm so glad i was not the only one how actually did that.

I felt like a pussy when a reached the pre-boss room.

Not only that, my characters are now a bit underleveled(46-48).

I want to know how the fuck anyone is doing damage without Byakuren.

Did she spoil me or something? Why the fuck does my party only do 300 damage end game (pre expansion)?

I really must be missing something. I can't do a thing without her.

Am I going to regret turning all of my Gold into Steel? I just finished Youkai Mountain and I want to go apeshit on crafting.
I've looked at the things you can craft with Gold, and they're pretty cool, but I don't think I have any need for them now.

>>7983240
I have a hard time remembering that far back, but my team had Nitori, Patchy, and Satori with no Byakuren. I usually killed things in 2 rounds until stage 21. Reimu or Sanae probably did around 500-600 with Snakebomb/Lightning pierce or the all spirit sign that does low- damage. So that's like 1k ish for the chasers/satori and 2k ish for Patchy?
Are you equipping the best generic weapons for people that you aren't keeping up to date with on special weapons?
Sanae (mp drain), Reimu (+%spirit damage), Byakuren (IND scroll) and Mokou (blind/silence) should use their specific weapons though, for the effects.

Most likely your growths are either all over the place, or you aren't using the strong generic weapons.

>>7982979
This was after stage 18 so I didn't think I needed to. Retarded looking back on it but nothing I can do now.

I wasn't really underleveled going through 19/20/21, at least it didn't feel like it, as I had an easy time on the bosses and could kill most things easily. My main party is 5-10 levels higher so that probably explains why. Basically I fought when I ran into stuff and didn't search out for extra fights.

>>7983349
you can easily get gold in the expansion but the other common forge materials have to be dropped from enemies

>>7983375
>>7983375
Oh great. Do they drop any more often off of expansion enemies?

>>7983358
I just loaded an early post game save (everyone at 60-63) and those number are about right for stage 20. Stage 21 just about halves everyone's damage.
Keep in mind stage 21 enemies are much harder than they should be, practically every fight is a mini boss fight.

Make sure you are attacking the right element. You need to bring either Sanae or Byakuren to finish fights quickly, preferably both.

Just beat the bunny bitches.
Please for the love of God tell me that I will never have to split my party up again.

>>7983396

You will, but it's a while away. But when you make it there, it's hell. Three party split instead of two party. I can't get anywhere there so I quit playing for a while so I can think of how to tackle this.

>>7983396

Stage 18 = 3 party split.

DO craft Youmu instant death sword. With it and any of Mokou's gauntelet (great confusion and blind are especially nice) any non boss encounter become a lot easier. If you like doing dungeons without ever going out till you reach the circle, Youmu/Mokou/Marisa are pretty much obligatory.

>>7983396
Going to love this one.

>>7983419
Nitori (chasing), Patchy (using low MT spells), Satori with +mp jewelery, and Sanae (3% mp steal) can all last a very long time.

>>7983412
Clean everything on one path, go back to start, use your main party to clear the second path, repeat for the third. Make sure to vary your commanders so no one is way behind xp wise, then try various combinations of strong and weak characters for the bosses.

Do I have to fight three bosses with my rationed teams, too!?

>>7983439
but they dont clean house as well as the other three. Sanae especially is all but useless in random encounters, while patch is too mana heavy for any medium sized dungeon. Nitori lack free disables. Satori, i'm still searching what s her point apart for timesinking the 100% completion people.

>>7983450

Yes. I don't see how I'm ever going to get past this, half of my team is severely underleveled.

>>7983428
exactly. make a designated sweeping party. i was going to suggest the same thing.

>>7983454
I haven't used Satori once and I'm at the final battle pre expansion, she sucks.

>>7983454
What? those 4 can 2 round almost all non angel/demon battles until stage 21. They actually make the game too easy.
2x MT Water/Fire chaser + Matk up -> 3x MT Lightning chaser.

>>7983455
Remember that low level characters gain massive bonus xp, in addition of having to accrue less xp to change levels. Switch your commanders during dungeons and you can have all of your characters within 5/6 levels without ever changing your main party.

>>7983460

Just because you don't see the point of a character doesn't mean they suck. I haven't used Byakuren at all because I can't get her to work, but it seems like other people can't live without her.

>>7983482
Well Byakuren doesnt require tens of hours of grind to be useful (and isnt that great either, just here to buff the main melee attacker).

>>7983477

I've been doing that right before stage 18 so I could get Aya and Mokou caught up, but I don't really like that strategy. I want to keep Sanae at a decent level so she doesn't die quickly against bosses, but she sucks in normal battles so I have her as the commander. Anyways, I'm already there so there's no sense in complaining. Not even Patchy and Nitori are doing anything to the slime enemies with a 6 character party, I'll probably have to make a mad dash to the end of the stage like some of the other people.

>>7983492

I didn't need to grind to get Satori to be useful. I just kept her in my party and she just eventually got better. I prefer her over Marisa nowadays.

>>7983492
Satori and Byakuren are 2 of the most useful characters in the game. Satori requires some grind though.
Byakuren has massive level 2 debuffs along with weapon enchants and a +all stat buff on command. Good luck breaking even 30k without her.
Satori has multitarget level 1 debuffs, decent multitarget damage, and support with great post-game bombs.

>>7982963
Still wondering if anyone else is having this problem.

Satori doesn't "suck", but she seems heavily overrated in these threads. She's basically a well-rounded character (albeit with god-awful survivability) that can play support roles well. She doesn't really excel at anything.

Sanae is a better healer/buffer, Byakuren is a better debuffer/buffer, Patchy/Marisa are better magic DDs (especially when they start getting their 80+ spells), and so on. She can still be useful in multiple occasions, such as the times when you need an extra debuffer or someone that can heal without having Sanae's horrid lack of offensive abilities. It's a shame that it's so lengthy and tedious to get her to learn a decent set of skills though.

Byakuren's buffs (save for the Scroll 25 one) aren't as great as you might think, either. I barely notice the difference between hers and Sanae's, but Sanae can buff all 3 of my physical attackers at once. With Wind of Miracles on top of that I actually get better damage than I do with Amp Scroll + Weapon Bless.

What's that Eintei?

Purple tentacle monsters that one shot anyone who isn't Mokou or Alice?
And lay down a DoT field?
And can come in groups of up to 4? (Pretty sure I saw 9 in the other thread?)

Hell fucking no. Skipping every single one of those little fuckers.

DAMMMMMMAAAGGEEE NEEEEEEEETTTTTT

i just had 4 characters removed at once from a single one of those red things using HDD crash. is it possible to lose all 5?

>>7983729
They're also fragile as hell. One thunder spell from patchy should sweep them. Unless you get the 9-man instagib, they aren't that tough.

>>7983715
>Byakuren's buffs (save for the Scroll 25 one) aren't as great as you might think

Woah. Dem fighting words kid. You might want to take that back.

>>7983715
Byakuren's buffs are decent (IIRC +33% vs +20%), but her debuffs are massive. As an example you can make the first sister do 0 damage on all attacks, or make Yuugi miss 15/16 hits or more. Her best buffs by far are the weapon enchants, not the stat buffs because they allow you to both hit weak points and have land effects.

For bosses one character doing massive damage is much better than 3 characters doing good damage, that would be where having Byakuren's attack buff shines, especially since Sanae has way too many skills to use one turn on an all party attack buff unless you plan on bringing 2 healers. She is much better suited to using Miracle and setting up the defensive side of things, or an ACC buff if you need it. In random battles Byakuren is useful for the minibosses, but not great for groups. Her scroll buff is +10%

Satori's best damage abilities are bombs and they are way too good. Before the expansion her use is limited to procing chasers, a mix of support abilities, and some debuffs, but her IND isn't really high enough to take advantage of them. Basically a bad character for the main game and a good character in the post game. She is a bit overhyped because you can make her do 99k damage which several characters can do. She also has access to the Meltdown type debuff if that is the only reason you are using Byakuren.

>>7982665
You don't actually need a crowded formation for Reimu's heal to tag everyone. Neo Hakurei looks like a big formation, but Reimu's heal will tag everyone assuming you target the center person.

>>7982705
I fought at the temple when I first got there, I had to figure out the right people to put in each group and got 3 teams of 4s. Only enemy I had to run from was the Great Demon, since Youmu with her Foreign God slaying sword wasn't there.

>>7983349
You might regret it. There are some nice things that require gold like the IND item upgrade and the RES item upgrade. There's also the STR and the VIT item upgrade. The Swordmaster's proof is pretty amazing too and so are the other proofs.

>>7984018
Her debuffs never made nearly that much of a difference on mine, and I do use her a lot. The debuff tree is maxed and she had IND gear.

>For bosses one character doing massive damage is much better than 3 characters doing good damage
The only fight where I ever found this to be true was the last boss of the main game. Youmu with the Foreign God slaying sword/attack buff/dark element buff killed it with one SC. Byakuren's elemental buffs are great, no doubt, but the opponent has to have a very glaring weakness to the element to take advantage of it. Most bosses only have a minor weakness to one element, or none at all.

I even thought Satori's postgame bombs were pretty disappointing compared to the "ultimate" last SC for some other characters. I don't have the L99 one though.

>>7984199
Lay off Byakuren or I'll stab you in the neck.

>>7983492
You don't need to grind at all for Satori. Even with only her skills, she works. Poison Art does good damage, about 400-500 per turn mid game. If you went Trauma route, you should almost always be able to land it.
Bondage Art, Stupefy, and Art of Chaos shut down enemies that are scary as hell. Though, these don't land as often as I would like.
If you did not get Enervation, you learn something else similar to it. Collapse Art allows you to also shut down physical enemies. This is if you went the Id route. None of these skills require any farming as you get them on level ups.
Later in the game, Satori's chance to land stuff surpasses Byakuren's, so she could be your main status inflicter. She can land petrify with Petro Breath on even enemies at stage 21.

>>7983502
What? Patchouli should be raping those slime enemies. She has fire/water damage.

>>7984018
What do you mean by this? As far as I can tell, by stage 18 or probably before that, Satori's IND surpasses Byakuren's, if you have enough skill points. 25 in Trauma or Id, and 20 in Eye. That's +65 IND along with her +IND armor and +IND Eye items.

>>7984222
I fucked you're Touhou

>>7984199
You probably should use Byakuren as either a buffer or a debuffer and not both at the same time. Her attack buff(assuming you have 20 points in the buffing tree) is really good, allowing your characters to do a lot better damage.
Her scroll buff is kind of unimpressive though, it feels kinda weak to me, but it is a buff all, so it is useful. Of course, let's not forget her healing, it is better than Reimu's healing. Her magic damage is also pretty high and she can give your people elemental weapons. Very useful when fighting those Machine Dragons that I am currently trying to farm to get that High Ribbon. Right now I'm using her as a buffer, so zero points in IND.

>>7982398

By stage 10 you should have at least 2 of every character's unique crafting material. Most characters should have 3.

The japanese wiki lists what each stage has from chests. If you use the external link from the english wiki's page, click the section that google translate says is "Chart Strategy". Next, click the third stage's info "magic forest", since this is the first stage that drops character specific mats. Open the treasure little spoiler tab, and look for the character specific mats. Do this from stage 3 to stage 9. For the most part, all the english names are the same or similar to the google translate names. To save you some time, here's what the google translate to english names are. Most are self-explanatory but some are just weird.

Neta of the Present = Spare Parts (Nitori's item)
Offertory Box = Donation Box (Reimu)
Silver Tray = Silver Tray (Sakuya)
Sewing Needle = Sewing Needle (Alice)
Phoenix Feather = Phoenix Feather (Mokou)
Blank Scroll = Blank Scroll (Byakuren)
Husk of a snake = Snakeskin (Sanae)
Magic Mushroom = Magic Mushroom (Marisa)
Fragments of the Spirits = Spirit Fragment (Patchouli)
Crow Feather = Crow Feather (Aya)
Rusty Blade = Rusty Sword (Youmu)
Eyeball = Eyeball (Satori)

>>7984259
>Her magic damage is also pretty high

...What? Even her bomb damage is pitiful (though it comes with useful status effects).

The scroll buff is a lot more useful postgame when your characters are 85+. I definitely notice a difference.

how the fuck do I beat iku? even using neo hakurei formation and sakuya's commander skill to increase RES I still get shocked and instant killed. I tried using raymoo's barrier to block it which worked once, but then she did it again before it was off cd.

>>7984369
You should be equipping some anti-shock accessories too. I remember making one at Kourindou because it was easy to make and really useful for the fight (Electric Runestone maybe? It had very high shock prevention and some electric resistance). Shock classifies as a "quick" status effect, so protection accessories for that will help too. Besides that your setup seems to be fine.

>>7984199
They are 25-50% and bosses tend to have very high stats, if that isn't noticeable I don't even know what to say.
Also I just did 20 hits on weakest 0 def monsters got average of 980 normal, 1350 miracle+patk up, 1600 weapon bless.
Testing on Mokou (naked 96pdef) with -all, -def, -pdef defending showed the same with 260, 340, 410.

IND is not the only factor: Petro Breath has a 100% land rate, most of her debuffs are 50-60%. Byakuren's are 70-80%. To top it off, a few learning skills give the target a bonus on their res like mindblast. Pre-stage 21 normal mobs are so easy there is little point wasting a round unless you can hit the ones that matter. In most cases Sanae's buffs actually work better.

You have to be counting your tank (Youmu, Mokou or Remilia I'm guessing) as an attacker. You are also forgetting the land bonus: even if they are barely weak the land bonus adds quite a bit. Skills have both a strength (atk mult) and an amp (after def mult). You don't get enough accessories to stack 3 attackers, even 2 is pushing it.

>>7984259
Ind gives you slightly more duration on your buffs, but more importantly what else are you going to put the points in? For the main game 20 in support and 10 in status should be your top priorities. Casting up to CD-1 is nice, but even with maxed great magic her damage isn't even decent unless you are stacking land against a boss.

>>7984369
Yeah, make anti-shock accessory. I realized that the hard way when even Reimu died while using Dead Princess' Band, Star Death protection item.

I just got Quickened Master Spark for Marisa and I wanted to try it out. I have since found there is nothing quick about the bastard. Also, I thought that stuff from her laser tree might help, but it appears that it does nothing. I guess it makes sense, but the descriptions are misleading.

>>7984485
I see, I did not realize IND affects buff duration. I can't land most of Byakuren's stuff on stage 21 enemies, so I don't see the point of putting points in the IND tree.
That and induction items are kind of limited, so if I intended one person to do debuff, they will be carrying the +60 IND item.
It is safer for me to designate her to buff/healing/damage duties at this stage. Especially when I face those stupid Knights that do some drain sword attack that hurts. I have to kill them with Light magic before they own me.

>>7984523
It's "quick" in the sense that it doesn't cost a bomb, unlike her other Master Sparks.

>>7984569
Hyper Trigger, and if you have time, land RES down. Every debuff will land without fail, especially if you're rolling in IND.

I rely on my Byakuren way too much. I'm having trouble with the final boss because my Mages don't put out enough damage, and even though my Youmu and Sakuya can both deal 15k damage in a single turn once Byakuren finishes preparing (Sakuya deals a lot more when she goes into Private Square with all her buffs, even without double procs), Lithos Vortex completely shuts me down.

By time I win, all her mana is gone. I might try using both Sanae's and Byakuren's +RES at the same time (They stack) to prevent this. This is why previously I asked if Byakuren's just been spoiling me (>>7983240). Is 400-1400 (after land power/weakness) magic damage from my mages too little for the final boss? My Sakuya also cannot land a single attack without Byakuren, and strangely she's not even that far behind my crit Youmu in raw ACC stat.

>>7984690
I'd also like to add almost every boss I've faced (cept Tenshi and Kaguya) had been rendered useless by my Byakuren (with help from Mokou/Sanae since she's always doing so much).

I've only had to switch in Raymoo for Tenshi, and I never used Alice. If they're physical, Sanae buffs EVA while Byakuren debuffs ACC. If they relied on on debuffs, I'd face punch/RES up until Byakuren was ready to land her IND/RES down. Highly evasive bosses got the same treatment. If find out the bosses weakness and enchant my DPS with it, and throw my on some single target buffs for extra damage.

I can't fathom how anyone can say she's not that useful. She lets me burst whole life bars in 2 turns, without worrying about taking any damage at all. I will not lie, I may be ignorant in the ways of other characters, but I don't see how anyone can do her job better.

>>7984690

I just beat Anastasis, so I'm not sure how Mdef and weaknesses compare, but Marisa unbuffed, no land, and no formation bonus Stardust Surge hit for 1900. Max land and scroll buff was about 3000.

Patch did crit a few Thunderbolts for between 6000 to 9000. She isn't specced for double-casting, so she could potentially do more.

>>7984754
TEACH ME

...something tells me it's time to stop being Machouli now that I've just started Sea of Clouds.
That accuracy is a miracle of the universe.

>>7984771

Pick an element, preferably one the boss is weak to. Have Patch so the appropriate field buff. Spam elemental spells.

Characters with high Int get more Matk from weapons than those with lower Int. Marisa at 69 Int gets 52 Matk from Eraser Engine, where Patch at 52 Int only gets 44 Matk.

Go grind out a Wisdom Ring III and synth it into a Wisdom Ring IV. Then get ANOTHER Wisdom Ring III! Get amulets that improve an elements damage (Stormhead amulet +10% elec damage, +elec resistance, -earth resistance).

That's...all I can think of honestly.

>>7984833
Alright, thanks a lot, I tried the first thing you've said, but my Mages stats are rather low so I'll try grinding out some equipment for them.

well I beat iku by randomly using defensive abilities, but now tenshi is raping me and I don't know what to do. master spark only does 500 damage and she heals shit loads with genesis.

>>7984956
>genesis
Dont use field effect.

>>7984956
Master Spark?
just use physical attackers here. At least they won`t get one-hitted.
Sakuya's Great Maid has Slayer: Foreign Gods

>>7984981
my physical attackers were doing garbage damage too. youmu was doing around 2200 with critical spring wind in saigyouji and nitori was only hitting for 150 with electric bullets.

>>7984996
>spring wind in saigyouji

Switch to Slash of Eternity, moving to the Manussya tree if necessary. Spring wind is pretty crappy when used against a single target. Also, having Patchy spam electric spells to weaken Tenshi's earth attacks will help you stay alive longer. She also has a spellcard to raise a land power of your choice, but obviously don't use her field effects.

>>7984690
Uh, that's a lost of 2 turns. Is RES down guaranteed to hit, because if it isn't, you lost 2 turns with the rest of your party trying to carry Byakuren. I've tried scroll + hyper trigger on stage 21 fights and gave up when I realize the odds of debuffing are not high enough to be worth the trouble.
Of course, two turns isn't hard if you have Alice defending you, but if you don't, then two turns means Byakuren or another party member can randomly get killed. Byakuren has 6 skills, so if 3 of them, Hyper Trigger, Scroll, and RES down are used, you have 3 slots left.

>>7984833
This also means that characters with already good MAttack benefit more from each INT point. This means that character's with higher base MAttack(I think Reimu has high base MAttack or seems like it), with lots bonuses to MAttack, like Byakuren's growth trees, benefit a lot from each point of INT.
What I am trying to say is if you character's growth tree has more MAttack bonuses, give them +INT items, while if your character does not have as much MAttack bonuses in her growth tree, give them +MAttack items.

>>7985009
I tried using slash of eternity against iku but I couldn't tell if it was doing more damage or not. I've been using asura stance so far because of asura strength.

>>7985028
It's always worked a lot better for me. The stance raises your base crit rate significantly too. The only crappy thing about it is the fact that you can get unlucky and only have it hit once. It's worth it for the brutal multi-critical hits you often get though.

>>7984690
Forgot to add, is your Youmu using Manussya stance? If so, that is probably why.

>>7985038
Slash of Eternity never hits only once, the minimum amount of hits is 3.

>>7985016
Well, my debuffs always land, my Byakuren has 200 IND without hyper trigger, and once I can land all my debuffs, the fights already won.

I'd like to think of all that debuff time as the actual fight, because like I said, once Byakuren is done, your fight is already over. I also don't spec into scroll. I'm down her buff/debuff/casting trees. Landing her debuffs is very rewarding to me, but to each his own I guess.

>>7985042
What are you referring to? What's "probably why"? I'm very happy with my crit Youmu and she does amazing damage on her own. Are you referring to the correct post?

>>7985051
I was referring on your comment about Youmu hitting more accurately than Sakuya.

Oh, I know landing the debuffs are rewarding, if it lands, which is why I asked does RES down land often enough for me to have it and then use her other debuffs. Her debuff completely shuts down whatever damage whoever it is that is trying to deal to you.
I guess you can get 200 IND? The best I could get is 194 without the last +15 IND item. I need it for either the Muscle Belt(survival) or Ghost Cat Tail(anti-paralysis) against Queen Flayer group.

>>7985073
Ah, I brought up Youmu because she lands all her attacks, even on high evasion enemies. Sakuya misses EVERYTHING, and she's not that far behind Youmu. I think she's behind like 20 ACC? I know that's a lot, but not enough for the drastic difference in accuracy, I'm guessing the stance itself gives a huge buff too (I believe this is what you ment), so the stat screen numbers might just be putting me off. I mean, she's fine as soon as she gets a buff, but still.

>>7985078
Yeah, Youmu's manussya stance says it ups accuracy and critical hit. I have no idea by how much, but it feels like I crit quite a bit more often when it's on, so I assume the buff on accuracy is fairly significant.

so I finally got those faggot unicorns to cast Starlight Barrier on my Satori...
and then I looked up that she needs to be 50.

Wooooooo!

>>7985016
Crap, while switching equipments I realize that INT does not affect MAttack like that. I guess INT is like other weapons and armor and is affected by whatever weapon you are using or something.

>>7985212

Yeah, bracers of insight always give the same amount of Matk, growth bonuses are also always the same. Weapons are the only thing that aren't.

>>7985016

Incorrect Sir! Characters do not have differing base Matk at all! However, it is possible for it to seem like it because...(drum roll) your base Matk isn't just calculating off of Int!

Seriously. It's actually a combination of Int and...the character's level. Example, all at 53 Int:

Reimu, level 58: 154 Matk
Sanae, 57: 152 Matk
Mokou, 57: 152 Matk
Marisa, 56: 150 Matk
Alice, 56: 150 Matk
Patch, 55: 149 Matk
Byakuren, 55: 149 Matk
Satori, 55: 149 Matk
Nitori, 55: 149 Matk

And no, I have no idea how it's calculated. Rounding everywhere...

this has been posted before but I don't care, it's just that adorable

Can't seem to beat the Yuyuko-Youmu combo. No matter what arrangement I try I either can't handle Youmu's offense or have no way of denting Yuyuko...

>>7985868
>Youmu
make good use of Alice's abilities
>Yuyuko
decrease her MDEF with Starfire and go wild

oh, and the end of the battle has a nasty surprise for you

>>7985868
Get Sanae and use the accuracy buff.
Also get Byakuren in your team.
Buffer and debuffer is mandatory in almost all the boss fight.

>>7985872
I was using Starfire (really shitty feeling rate of success though). Finally got her with that method though. I was in for quite a surprise when the game crashed during the post-fight cutscene

>>7985868
Youmu only targets the leftmost row, so stick your tank in there. Preferably Alice, and spam cover when Youmu uses one of her stances.
Also, try to deal with them BOTH as much as possible, leaving Yuyuko for last. When you think she only has one turn left, use Alice's cover thing on someone, then smack dat bitch down.Then enjoy the fireworks.

Okay, before I make Medea totally extinct, it IS possible to get a second drop of something if you synth it into something else, right? I made a Wisdom Ring IV, and now I want another Wisdom Ring III.

Of course, I remember Mokou posting that you get the +50% exp yukkuri medal, synth it and get another one, so I'm probably being retarded. I am at over 8000 youkai exterminated though, and I haven't done anything in stage 20 yet.

>>7986259
Do i have to use alice?

>>7986706
other methods are Reimu barrier to prevent permanent statuses and (?) killing Yuyuko in Private Square or by poison

>>7986706
You definitely should. The wiki isn't kidding around when it says she make boss fights 10 times easier.

Okay, I'm thinking of playing this, but I dread seeing ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL in it.

>>7986789
eh, where would that be?

>>7986706
You don't have to if you really don't want to. You'll Definitely want to use a formation that has a strong position for tougher characters to absorb some hits. Reimu can get your through the couple of hard bosses that people say Alice is required, and Alice is pretty bad in random encounters anyway.

>>7986706
Not really. Alice is honestly not as useful as people make her out to be. I find Mokou to be much more useful. A lot more HP, more defense, multi-target auto resurrect, multi-target full-HP-revive Last Word, and good offensive abilities to boot. Her gloves tend to carry extremely useful status effects with very high infliction chances too.

Alice's main use is using Little Legion to soak up a nuke attack so that nobody else dies (the fight against Chihiro where she uses the attack that causes both instant death and shitloads of damage comes to mind).

>>7986789
Shhhh! That's supposed to be a surprise!

>>7986908
> multi-target full-HP-revive Last Word
so what if it never activates. Do you guys have a method to rely on Last Words or what?

also, Alice pretty much broke the Tenshi battle for me. Mystery Spectrum fuck yeah!

>>7987190
Last Words have a better chance of activating when you're in deep shit, and she tends to be the last one alive anyway. It's saved me more than once. I also forgot to mention that she has a 20% chance of auto reviving every turn when she's dead, which is also really useful.

>>7987031
...

Well, shit.

>>7987190
>Never activates

Nigga you crazy.

>>7987249
They never activate when i need them. If i'm battling some low level enemies everybody will have last word up 50% of the time, but when i actually need it i'll never get it

>>7987249
I must be the unluckiest nigga ever...
or maybe it is because my Mokou hardly ever gets below 60% HP.

I for sure don't like to have a half-HP, unbuffed party in a boss fight.... I really don`t know if that Last Word is THAT amazing.

>>7987269
I still use healers and buffers, I was just saying that Alice isn't the only meat shield in the game.

Speaking of Mokou, how does Xuwhatever's Dimension work? I know I've spammed it on my entire party for the reraise, but they died and didn't come back up.

>Alice is pretty bad in random encounters
I also don't agree with this. She is the highest level in my party for a reason. For me, from about stage 13 on, going into a new stage without her was touhoucide.

>>7987190
how did you beat tenshi? mystery spectrum makes rock shower do 0 damage but she can hit with other attacks.

>>7985635
I'll be damned, I would never expect MAttack to be related to levels. So I came to the conclusion that characters have different base MAttack, I guess not.

>>7987298
I don't think it is that bad, since Alice is not the only character that can take hits. Youmu, Sakuya, Mokou, Aya and Reimu take hits fairly well. Of course, that would depend on your formation too. Don't want to die? Sunshine Lunch and have a bunch of characters that can take a hit.

>>7987293
Xu Fu's Dimension is cool, it gives your character regeneration and it also stops a character from dying if the hit is fatal(does not work against instant death). Her Area of Effect version, I don't like as much, since it doesn't give regeneration.

>>7987905
>it gives your character regeneration

No it doesn't. Are you sure the land power wasn't doing it?

>>7987916
Yes, it most DEFINITELY does. Try it out yourself. Start a fight, have Mokou cast Xu Fu's dimension on Youmu or whoever. Then bam, HP regen, and it is based off your hp, maybe 20% HP regen? I don't know the exact number.
Currently my Youmu recovers about 150 HP per turn with this effect on her.

>>7987934
Bleh, forgot to add, this will stack with land regen and other regen, like Byakuren's scroll regen and Nitori's regen.

I don't see how Regeneration is useful in this game at all, because if you're taking enough damage for that to matter, you're probably already dead. I guess it's useful for counter poison or curse?

How long is exactly this game in hours?

Also, I read there's an expansion. Is that included and translated as well?

fucking dark giga flare

seriously what the fuck

>>7988036


the game I started a little before english patch came out is at 68hours

the game I started a year ago is at 247 hours, still working on end-game content

both of those have a lot of time where the game was just chillin in the background while i did other stuff/ran to the store tho.

>>7988036
Pre-expansion, around 100 hours. The expansion adds around ~50 extra hours.
My end game save clocked at 300 hours, after maxing out every character, crafting most things, and learning around 50% of Satori's spells.

Curse you Youkai encyclopedia, for making me mistake that immunity of Giant Oarfishes for a weakness. Or rather, curse you triangles for looking so much like stars. That fight was shameful.
How do I read that, by the way?
fire - water - earth - elec
light - dark - mystic
slash - stab - strike
Like that?

>>7988237
Holy shit, that's like 3 Tales games.
Is most of that time composed of grinding or what? I know there is not enough Touhou to make a 150-hour storyline.
Eh, I should just play it.

>>7988246
That's right. Write that on a note and keep it by the computer. It helps.

anyone know what's the best mob to fight for meteor? i know it's a 1% skill but i want it

>>7987968
That's a judgement call you have to make then. My Youmu with a bit over 600 HP gets 150 HP regeneration per turn with that buff. From my personal experience, I find the regeneration useful and worth it.
It is a bomb move, so you have to decide whether or not it is worth using over say Mokou's attack skills.

>>7988307
...Kabuff?

I finally beat tenshi by spamming demon shock until she died. should I craft any of the new equipment I just unlocked?

>>7989122
If it looks really good or have some cool effects that you want, then craft it, if not then forget it.

>>7987735
well that involved a bit of praying on my side. I could have done it with other methods, but I guess I just had luck and she never Face Smash'd me

>>7989122
Is demon shock at all good?

Wouldn't this mean that it decreases resistance for fire/water/earth/elec/light/dark/mystic on block?

Isn't this a bad thing?

>>7989253
it offers weak protection to the elements, but better than none whatsoever

>>7989256
I thought triangle = lightly decreased resistance

>>7989249
I don't know, I learned it incidentally while trying to get samidare cut. it was doing around 500 damage to tenshi, 1400 with maxed dark land. I was using it since it's the only single target dark attack I have.

I have flame, frost, earthquake, and call lightning too. is it worth learning other moves like tornado or tsunami? I was planning on using satori mainly for light/dark attacks.

>>7989261
Shields work differently. I believe those symbols affect how often your shields trigger. So, triangle in those means it triggers less often than the other ones.
Of course, this means having a Star against Light does not mean your shield gives you resistance to Light, it just means it triggers a lot against Light attacks.

Okay, so I keep getting a crc error when I try to unzip this.
Anyone feeling kind enough to help me with this? What am I doing wrong?

>>7989282
EVA is the number how often it triggers. AFAIK only Alice is able to increase that number.

>>7989261
That's true, but only for characters, armor, and accessories. Triangles on a shield mean it has a low activation chance, which is actually better than not having an entry for that element at all.

pic related, god tier Alice shield

allow me to quote the translated manual


Even if you equip a shield, it won't affect your status.
Shield status bonuses are only applied on a successful block.
"Breath Reduction" "☆ Petrification" effects will only work when the shield is equipped.
Shields will block certain attacks at a set percentage.
Attack types that shields can block are displayed like this: [Fire Water Earth Electric Slash Pierce Crush]
○ and △ have no effect on resistance. ○ indicates an increase in evasion chance to the element, △ indicates a decrease.
When a shield activates and blocks something, defense will be increased by the corresponding number.
An EVA 50 PDEF 100 MDEF 75 shield will activate at a 50% rate, increasing PDEF by 100 (against physical attacks) and MDEF by 75 (against magical attacks).
Shields will not activate if a two-handed weapon (or skill, like casting magic) is being used to attack.
Magic users mainly use magical attacks, so they probably won't benefit much from a shield.

Eintei is just killing my will to play this game. Don't know what it is about this place, but I just can't seem to like it.

Maybe it's because the enemies suddenly have a ton of bullshit moves on them (Big damage line nukes, time stop abilities, AoE blind skills, instant death attacks, fast and resilient, the list goes on) or that it's just such a chore to navigate with all the "lol invisible passages XD". That and the fact that it's basically screaming at you that if you don't grind the game's going to punish you (and I don't like to grind...)

Love the music, though.

>>7990155

I just finished outer Eintei. Really wasn't that bad; only had to leave to recharge mana and bombs twice before a full clear. My suggestions for it are:

1. Get Sakuya's 3 slayer sword (Arodnight or something), Mokou's Silence fists (Magnum Fists?), Marisa's strongest broom (unless you've already made one before this) and Nitori's 3 slayer gun (Carbine I think).

2. Your first team will have an advantage stacking Marisa, Patchouli and Nitori. Use Fire/Lightning skills and chase with Nitori. Sonic Stream should help ensure you act before anything else does.

3. The second team should stack Mokou, Youmu, Sakuya and Alice. Sakuya will 1-2 hit nearly everything on their side, while Mokou can shut up any caster with Mach Punch. I went with Luna Dial formation and had Alice use Marionette Parrar on the front row.

This leaves you with Reimu, Sanae, Aya, Byakuren and Satori to assign. I had Reimu healing the physical party since her heals can be AoE and remove permanent debuffs. Sanae and Byakuren I had in my magic group, though neither did much until I got to Tewi, in which I had Sanae EVA up -> RES up -> MATK up and Byakuren Hyper Trigger -> ACC/whatever the other thing is down -> PDEF/MDEF down.

Also, I'd suggest having the magic group attack Tewi (reach their goal first), and the physical group attack Reisen (reach goal second). Formations that may help are Kappa Camouflage for the magic group (Tewi has shit accuracy, may as well take advantage of it) and either Freefight or stay with Luna Dial on the physical group (depends on whether your Alice has the 10 mp skill to cover all allies regardless of where they are. If she doesn't, go with Freefight)
Aya and Satori I had as commanders

>>7990233

Aya and Satori I had as commanders, though it really doesn't matter who you assign to which group. I went with Aya on magic group to use Perfect Dodge until I got my buffs/debffs up while Satori just spammed her deflection skill on my physical group every turn.

>>7990233
>>7990234

As for Inner Eintei, still working on it. Probably going to use Alice, Mokou/Sakuya, Sakuya/Nitori, Marisa, Patchouli and have Aya or Satori as commander.

>>7990237
Heh, I would unlikely have Satori as a commander, because she needs to be in the fight to have a chance, no matter how minor, of randomly learning skills. She also helps out with damage by using Poison Art.

>>7989315
Adding to that poster a minor thing to avoid some confusion, as I was confused reading that. If a shield has a special ability, like solid Star vs Poison or Petrification, it will work as long as you wear it.
This means that the effect is active even if you are using a two-handed weapon, like Sakuya's weapon.
For example, if Sakuya is using the Hydra shield(solid Star Poison protection), she will be immune to poison, even while using a two-handed sword.

>>7990155
Outer Eientei is a matter of being careful and splitting your party properly (magical for right side and physical for left side), as I see it. The magical team still had a bit of trouble, but oh wow the physical team simply destroyed everything that got in their path. I didn't even use Sakuya's beast-slaying sword, but everything was dying hilariously quickly on that side.
I agree, though, that place is horrible and I don't ever want to go back in there again. Even if the best thing to grind on for Steel is the metal turtle, it's simply not worth it. enjoy your damage net hahaha do you want to escape too bad tentacle time

>>7989310
but it only has 10% activation rate

should I bother trying to learn vacuum wave from genji?

>>7991054

Unless he's the only person that does it or has the best learning rate, no.

>>7991054
no, there are better mobs that use that move more frequently also it's a 1%

Iku was pretty easy after I set the land to earth and used Patchouli's spell card, even though my master plan of endowing Sakuya's weapon with dark element didn't work because Byakuren kept getting shocked and insta-killed.
Still, just reading the wiki on Bhava-agra is making me upset... maybe I should leave it for later. I know I'm going to spend a long time on Tenshi, oh yes I will. By the way, I know that I should not use any field spells, but are Patchu's Active Elemental (or Void Spirit, at least) safe to use?

Jesus christ Reisen with her Narcolepsy weapon and sexy underwear is a monster.

>>7991722
If it is a field spell, it is not safe. When you press the L or the R button it will show if a field spell is active. Tenshi overrides your field spell with hers I think.

>>7992387
Well, they're technically not field spells, they just set the land to maximum of one element (or completely resets it).

>>7991722

who said not to use field spells? easiest way to win is to have Sanae cast the poison field effect every turn to it cancels out Tenshi's whatever she casts.

>>7991722

who said not to use field spells? easiest way to win is to have Sanae cast the poison field effect every turn so it cancels out Tenshi's whatever she casts.

make sure she casts AFTER Tenshi does tho

>>7992659
Nigga you crazy.

>>7992675

Meh, it worked for me.

Pic related, it when I said Tenshi was an easy fight in the school cafeteria.

>>7990967
it is upped by Alice's Craft tree. And 25 points in Manipulation buffs Marionette Parrar tremendously.

Not a single character died in my Genji battle.

>>7992930
I tried using it before and it wasn't activating nearly enough. it activates 100% of the time with little legion, but with marionette it's only 20% or so.

>>7993086

Marionette Parrar at max Manipulation tree has a 100% chance to activate. However, it can only activate a certain amount of times in one turn (seven I believe). So if you get hit with a double breath attack the second is going to hit a couple people.

>>7993205
unless the translation is wrong it's only +100% activation rate, or 2x whatever the shield says.

>>7994431
Marrionette Parrar itself may have some bonuses to activation too. But if you use a low % activation shield, it won't be guaranteed activation.
Normally, I just give Alice that large shield that blocks everything that you can craft.

>Cold Breath
>Cannot Focus
>Cold Breath
>Cannot Focus
>Flame Breath
>Cannot Focus
>Cold Breath
>Cannot Focus

God I love this fucking game.

>>7994967
Only way to beat the Hydra, gotta blind that thing.

>>7995201

damn I didn't even know you could blind that thing.

Why the hell do I always fight the bosses the hard way.

Do I need the patches if I download the prepatched version?

>>7995262
It is very hard to blind it, but it can happen. So, if you are lucky, blinding it will save you lots of turns.

>>7995439
Mokou's blind gloves keep it up damn near 100% of the time for me. I've started hydra hunting, and I've defeated over 6 hydra's since last night, manage to get 4 traphawhachamacallit. They may be more resistant to an actual spell cast though.

>>7995304

No.

Just finished Inner Eintei this morning. Wasn't that bad when I just decided to give up on ever debuffing them since, if I didn't use Hypnotic Ballet, my Byakuren couldn't debuff the broadside of a barn. Maybe her +25 IND weapon would have helped but I'm saving my generic mats for these character armors that are supposed to cost two character specific stuff, though I have yet to see any of them in the synthesis menu.

Used Freefight, Alice opening with Phalanx Doll, then spam Marionette Parrar, Sanae keeping PDEF up, ACC up, PATK up and MDEF up, Mokou using Honest Man's Death until out of bombs, then Mach Punch, Sakuya Colesso World whenever it ends, then spamming her 3 hit attack, and Marisa specced into lasers and spamming, well, lasers. Probably should have had Satori or Aya as commander since their one bomb skills are more useful than any of the other choices.

>>7995458
That would be because her fist growth makes you doubly likely to inflict status with them.

>>7995492
I tried to bruteforce Kaguya and Eirin, but Kaguya's defense buff was too much for me, so I went with the easymodo option of controlling her. Still managed to pull those fun elemental combos on Eirin just for the hell of it, though, and almost ended the fight by making Kaguya shoot herself.

Anyway, this test run of Bhava-agra didn't seem as bad as the wiki says it is for me. I doubt I've covered even half of the monsters there, but it should be enough for me to form a nice strategy to deal with that place tomorrow.
Also Elite Mind Flayers cannot into Neo-Hakurei and Sanae's RES buff, it's beautiful. Take that you squidfuckers.

>>7995492

>Used Freefight

My mistake, Sunshine Lunch

>>7995458

oh nm, I thought you were referring to the boss hydra in post-game.

You were prolly talkin about the ones in the temple tho.

>>7995572
Oh man, post-game Hydra's? Do not want.

>>7995572
that's like the easiest of the 8 star bosses, at least terminator mk-2 can screw you over with a random vortex but this guy, oh man debuffs + aya completely seals his fate

>>7995762

yea i'm ussually gone getting snacks/not giving a fuck while he spams his breath attacks like 12 times

anyone else like running 5 DPS teams in neo-hakurei formation? its kinda fun to burn through enemies in one turn for the whole dungeon

youmou in the middle with regalia and yasakani no magatama so she can tank anything

Where do u get the Yasakani no Magatama?

I have a question about the transition from the first game to post-game.

Will all of my "Skill Points" (The ones obtained via P blocks) transfer over, or do I have to grind for them again?

>>7996834
you forge it
>>7996878
everything transfer over

what are must get skills for an offensive satori?

>>7997602

Satori is worst character in GoS. use Marisa

>>7997785
but satori isn't a silly fancharacter

>>7997602
Some stuff I used:
Dark Giga Flare
Punish the Judgement
Cosmic Liner
Flare
Tentacle (if using physical weapons)
Death Zapper

I downloaded the prepatched game with the expansion set the OP posted, but I can't even run the game. I click the .exe but nothing happens, any help?

>>7998196
Have you tried setting your computer to Japanese locale or running in WIN95 compatibility.

>>7998962
Tried running it in WIN95 compatibility, but I'm not sure how to set it to Japanese locale. I can see the Japanese characters instead of the boxes, if that helps.

Just shook Tenshi's epicenter without any trouble at all, after failing many times, simply because I remembered to put a Continental Shield on Alice. What the hell. Didn't even really need to spam Mystery Spectrum, in fact I was taking more damage with that than with Marionette Parrar. On the offensive side, I had Sakuya and Youmu spamming stuff while Byakuren buffed them and endowed their weapons with Dark element, and Reimu pretty much didn't do anything.
In hindsight, I didn't even need to get Great Maid, as I was apparently already dealing enough damage to her while not taking much damage thanks to Alice. Also, I didn't even see Tenshi use Petro Breath, so maybe getting that sword was a good idea after all.

Why is Mokou so hot?

2nd attempt. finally got her to one-shot. she was only level 65.

>>7999100
To set to Japanese locale, you go to Control Panel, then Regional and Language Settings.
From that go to the Administrative tab, and from there click on Change System Locale. Choose Japanese.

>>8000374
What kind of build do you use with Mokou to get that kind of damage? I've been using her more as a tank but if she can do that at only level 65 even without the weakness that would be more useful.

>>8002300
its not just the build, it takes set up.
Under those same conditions with other characters you can make them do 99k too.

>>8000757
Thank you

>>8002347
Ah I see.

Judging by the picture its full fire land with soften and weapon bless with fire enchant? That still seems a pretty high base damage to me but I'm not that sure.

>>8002614
Dunno about that picture, but I usually use Reisen as my big hitter. Pdef down, meltdown, debilitate, +2 filler (ind down, spd down from mokou, usually) with Byakuren's attack up, amp scroll, and en-x is usually enough to do max.

>>8002691
Yeah I've heard of that. I'm at the final boss now but I'm just not dealing enough damage with my secondary party to get through the first fight without calling in my main party, and wasting bombs/mana that should be used for the second one.

I was thinking if I could get my mokou to deal even a quarter of the damage of that then it should be pretty easy, but looking at what I need its impossible I suppose.