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Decided to take a break from the Last Words (unfocused) on Youmu solo & went for all spell card clears from stages 1-6B without focus.

Fuck you, Hourai Elixir.

I have recently beaten EoSD, PCB, and IN, and am focusing UFO right now. If I were to actually use my bombs, I'd probably get to stage 5, but I have a nasty habit of "I CAN DODGE THIS, I KNOW IT" and dying.

A co-worker saw me and we are now in a bet that he cannot beat UFO in a month. He has never played a shump before and thinks Gears of War 3 is the best game ever made.

I just can't get above 10 spell card bonuses on IN Extra. I beat Possessed by Phoenix only when I die on Phoenix's Tail. I beat Fujiyama Volcano only when I die on Woo. It's maddening.

Still haven't beaten Imperishable Shooting though, so oh well.

I beat my first EX Boss ever last night. Flan. Took me like two months of practicing because I am not good at Touhou at all.
I think I'll move back up through the games and make my way back to Ten Desires again, beating EX Bosses this time instead of 1CCing.

Does anyone have good tips to capture Peerless Wind God?

>>7956677
Staying on the far left usually helps.

Still practicing EoSD on lunatic. Practiced Stage 2 and 3 to death and am about to complete them with no deaths and no bombs. I know that the real challenge is Patchy's stage which I am not even really good at at hard, so I expect at least 2 weeks of practice mode with Patchy's stage before I am even able to try to 1cc the game.

Also, I tried Extra yesterday again and am managing up until to 78%, not much until I got it as well. Playing Touhou in general since about 5-6 months with playing each day ~1 hour, how well am I doing?

>>7956745
I don't like the thought of regularly practicing playing games like in some fucking esport.
I played Touhou until I got bored, that's it.

>>7956761
I played Touhou till I got pissed. Took about about two years (2000 hours of playing in total), and then I realized that no matter how hard I tried, I would never 1cc a Touhou game. So I stopped. The games are nothing short of depressing for me, really.

>>7956774
Sorry, but I don't believe you.

>>7957541

>>7956774
Are you really unable to play PCB easy for two thousand hours and not 1CC it once?

I'm only good at the phantasmagorias. Although I have completed PCB on normal, trying to 1cc now.

I have cleared both Aya games and a couple Lunatics, but the Phantasmagorias rape me so hard.

>>7957611
You must have a hard time memorizing patterns.

>>7957623
You must be really good at memorizing patterns

>>7957579
>>7957541
IN alone is nearly half. Don't have the other games on my laptop since I was busy grinding this the latest. The others on my desktop at home.

>>7959588
You always post this, but you never post replays.

>>7959602
Replays of what? Me getting my ass raped by Tewi and Reisen and just giving up? I mean, if that's what you want to see, I can see if I have a replay in the directory.

>>7959605
I do want to see. I've seen you post over and over about how terrible you are and your refusal to try anyone other than Marisa solo. I don't want an old replay. I want to see you do a run, right now. Play Easy. I want to see this.

>>7959609
>>7959588
Seconding him, but I have a request of my own. Could you post your best replay? Any of your hard/lunatic run is fine.

>>7959588
Why just play solo Marisa if you aren't that good? You can't dodge those special bullets where you can focus to evade them with her.

I've lost everything and now have to download and replay every single fucking toho game.

SA and UFO are going to be a bitch, I barely was able beat them by the skin of my teeth on normal...

>>7959675

If you don't like them so much, then why would you want to endure replaying them? This is what backups are for. All the score.dats can't be a megabyte in size.

>>7959677
I like them, it's just a dick having to try to get everything back again.

I never really put in any thought about backing up my score.dat, I am now.

>>7959675
I have been through this at least three times since I got into Touhou. No backups either.

>>7959677
It's a nice excuse to 1CC them again.

>>7959683
>It's a nice excuse to 1CC them again.
That's what scoring is for.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=16208

Yeah, this one is terrible, even worse than usual. Despite of a month of not playing, my laptop keyboard is especially ass and doesn't register diagonal movements when shooting or when holding SHIFT. Which explains why I ran into some bullets and made some stupid movements. To get a real run, I would have to be at home on my desktop where the keyboard doesn't suck dick, this Friday.

I don't have a replay of my best run since it got overwritten or something, I think. I just have an arsenal of professional replays that I tried to "learn" from. These are some of my shit scores

>>7959689
Who the HELL would play for score if they could barely 1cc Normal?

>>7959609
>>7959639
As for why I use Marisa, I always used her in every other game. Of course, I would try some other characters once in a while, but practice is supposed to make perfect regardless. And since I mostly used her, I am absolutely ass at every other character I try (it's like playing a whole new game for the first time).

Why can I not capture Keine's third card as solo-Youmu consistently? It's not even that hard, I just can't get the tap cadence down perfectly.

>>7959689
No, scoring is a good excuse for score runs.

Know the difference.

>>7959692
>1B game over at stage 5
That's higher than some people's first clears. Your replay is so confusing. You alternate between performing mild scoring tricks to running into enemies and sitting still in sparse patterns until something runs into you.

I have a feeling I've watched one of your replays before, maybe from a year or two ago, since this play style is really familiar for some reason.

>>7959692
I've watched your runs. You probably need to cut watching confusing replays, like WR's or anything higher than average from score.royalflare.net. Make your own route, be creative.

Tips : you can still collect timeorbs if you stay focused for maximum half a second, and tap movements requires probably only tenth of a second. Very useful to dodge dense bullets that requires precise movement (and hitbox position). True, your form should be reduced below -80%... but, there are enough leftovers timeorbs on the screen to pull your form into -100% again, allowing you to collect timeorbs again.

Also, try to stay on PoC for a fraction second longer. The difference between collected item at full value (yellowed numbers) and just below of it is more than 50% at minimum.

Also, try to not crash into critters.

>>7959865
And learn to use diagonal movement. Try to add diagonal movement into your solution route.

Working through the series on Normal this time. Not aiming for 1ccs, though I did pick those up on LLS to my surprise, just want clears regardless of continues. Currently on EOSD, where completionist tendency are getting in the way.

PC98 games are easier for me because I'm not afraid to bomb the fuck out of bosses. Windows games I feel compelled to at least attempt to capture every spell card.

Also fuck "Wood Sign: Sylphae Horn High Level", "Maid Secret Skill: Marrionette", and half of Remilia's cards. Fuck them all.

>>7959692
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=16209

I made a replay. You should watch it and learn from it. It's just for you. I hope you like it.

Haven't played Touhou in months in favour of the grinder known as Mushihimesama Arrange's TLB. Best attempt I've had on it got it down to about 12% health.

Worst thing is I can't figure out how to dodge any of those last waves and I always lose bombs to dumb shit during the first TLB form even though stuff is within my skill level.

Maybe I should say fuckit and try to learn counter banking.

That's it, I'm done for today. Yesterday I was laughing in the face on danger and making a mockery of things I once thought hard. Today I die on stage two bosses repeatedly on normal as I try to capture spell cards to unlock phantasm. Guess you just have to take it in stride.

>>7959675
I don't really have this problem. Once I finished them on normal and extras, and got tired dicking around on hard, I just delete them. If I have the urge to play them a bit, just reinstall and do a fast run on normal so everything is unlocked what I need.

About the replays, it's not like there is a single person who is interested in our shitty Toho dodging.

1cced TD Reimu, Marisa and Youmu on Normal. Sanae is good-for-nothing, no homing missiles, fast movement or powerful attack. Still unable to finish Fairy Wars on normal

i would appreciate any tip for it

>>7960593

don't use her focus shot, it really doesn't work at all, I find

>>7960593
she's able to trance all the time though. Still, she is indeed somewhat underwhelming, especially after UFO

Fairy Wars? more like memorization wars. Just have a freeze ready whenever the enemy makes that charging sound

>>7959870
>>7959865
Like I said, my shitty laptop keyboard doesn't like to do diagonal movements. Too many keys pressed error if I hold shoot/shift and two directional arrows at the same time. That is why at times I would run in to enemies when I would usually have avoided them. I will get a real replay of me doing IN this Friday, so if this thread is alive by then, I'll post it here. Maybe then you could see better the problem in my playing. But thanks for the tips.

>>7959759
Yeah, the "sitting around for something to hit me" part is caused by my laptop keyboard problem. I'll try Friday, so maybe if this is alive by then, you can give some criticism on a real attempt. Thanks for the support, I think.

>>7960994
That sounds like some bad ghosting, you could try remapping focus to another key. I'll be waiting warmly for Friday's replay.

Managed to beat SA yesterday, but the extra is just stupid. I was going to play it until I made it to Koishi but I've lost all interest in SA. I'm going to play something I have fun with.

I've been playing Ten Desires on easy modo. It's fun. I might move up to normal once I 1CC with all the characters.

>>7956774
>Took about about two years (2000 hours of playing in total), and then I realized that no matter how hard I tried, I would never 1cc a Touhou game

No sir, i don't believe you.

Playing EoSD.
Already 1CC'd on easy.
Trying to 1CC on normal.
>picture related

How come this board spends so much time discussing about fanart and characters stories that don't exist in the game instead of actually playing the games?

>>7961234
after you beat the game, most people feel bored.
And there's not that incredibly much to the games as in gameplay. They are just small shooters.
Thus people sperg over other things

>>7961234
I'm still taking a break, fooling around on first Hard stages and gathering psychological resources after capturing Scarlet Meister and beating Remi on Hard some months ago.

If there's one thing these threads prove, it's that we still play the games.

>>7961241
Oh, i see. Thanks for the explanation, it's the first time i have browsed this board.

Still, there are lots of sequels and more incoming, and 1ccing takes some time.

I'm assuming when you say "beat the game" you mean 1CC it and obtaining a good ending. I'm a beginner at STGs.

>>7961259
That's exactly what he means.

Well, you are in a board where people beat the Extra about two days after each game is released, so there is plenty of time to fanwank as well. These threads are for us commoners.

Also, enjoy your stay and please visit more often.

A beginner question:
Which control do you use?

I'm finding the usb gamepad i'm using to be very unresponsible compared to keyboard, but the problem with keyboard is that the control settings are kind of alien (Using the smallest finger for shift).

Do people in Japan use arcade sticks?

Oh, and i tried using the script with AutoHotKey, but it made the controls lag (Maybe it's my old ass computer).

I've tried nearly a hundred times to beat EoSD, just can't do it. ;_;

>>7961275
I usually have my index finger on X, fuck you finger on Z and the last two on Shift and just twitch my index if I want to reach C. If that's not convenient, try to position your hand in a way that you can press Shift with just your pinky by using your hand's own weight.

>>7961282
I am starting to know that feel, bro.

For me the biggest obstacle is Stage 5, where i end up losing the lives i had accumulated.
Sometimes i also fail hard during Patchouli's fight (Damn lasers).

>>7961282
>nearly a hundred times
You're going to need to try much more than that.

So I actually did make it to Koishi, but eh, I really don't feel like fighting her. Maybe once I get past UFO Lunatic or something.

>>7961282
>>7961293

Do you feel there's something wrong with your technique? I don't think it's just that you can't dodge bullets.

>>7961299
if you're ever able to beat UFO Lunatic, nah even Hard, Koishi and her friends will feel like a joke.

>>7961282
Stage 1: Before you do anything else, practice it for a bit on Lunatic to get used to your hitbox. Stream bullets, take out Rumia.
Stage 2: Use a bomb in the beginning to get rid of the enemies and pick up all the items on the screen. Try to get MAX power as early as possible. Stream more, beat Cirno.
Stage 3: This is where you stop being a showoff shithead and start abusing the Shift key. Bomb Meiling's midboss card if you aren't 101% sure you can capture it. Same for her last card. You shouldn't have lost a single life by now.
Stage 4: Place your character in the mid-left section of the screen and get ready to shoot the three fairies before they leave their magic circles behind. Stream the bullets with very slight movements. Again, if you aren't 101% sure you can dodge the green bullets, bomb. Koa is a joke. Wait a whole second before you start shooting the fairies that clear bullets when they die. Patchu's cards are all about distractions. Focus on one type of projectile and try dodging the other unconsciously. This applies to cards like Sylphae Horn, Agni Radiance, Water Elf, Emerald Megalith, etc. You should be ready to bomb before you get in trouble; if you think it MIGHT hit you, chances are it will, bomb.

>>7961290
It works. Still feels weird, but thanks.

Another question for the people in this thread:
What do you think is the best way to get better at Touhou?

It is better to try to do 1CC right off the bat over and over, or to practice each stage in practice mode?

>>7961297
This.

>>7961299
Letting down the imouto of the perfect smile... how cruel.

>>7961321
Whichever way works for you, really. I had more fun when every time I started the game was an attempt at a 1cc (though I had to change that for UFO Hard... why is Ichirin such a pain in the ass?), while, say, Prometheus would say you should segment things even more than just per-stage. But then again, arcade scoring is a rather different ballpark than Touhou 1ccs.

>>7961317
Stage 5: Stream. stay still when the big directed arrays of bullets are shot, otherwise, focus on the small, random ones. Try to take everything out before they shoot too many bullets. In Sakuya's midcard stay still in the bottom-left-ish area and move only to dodge something that's directed at you. Stay in the same position and dodge the bullshit afterwards. Sakuya will force you to heavily dodge, it's up to your reflexes now. Her cards all have "safe" spots. When she starts redirecting bullets during timestop, she essentially thins out her own clusters, so they should be easier to dodge. Again, when in doubt, bomb.
Stage 6: I'll let you have the joy of figuring that one out yourself; besides, if you get this far, you unlock the stage in Practice Mode. Starting the stage with two lives should be more than enough. Never lose a life with unused bombs.

>>7961290
It works. Still feels weird, but thanks.

Another question for the people in this thread:
What do you think is the best way to get better at Touhou?

It is better to try to do 1CC right off the bat over and over, or to practice each stage in practice mode?

>>7961304
>Do you feel there's something wrong with your technique?
The mental pressure sometimes gets too high. I fail sometimes to keep the calm and thus i screw up.

Many times i end up trapped by her moving lasers and the red bullets right below Patchouli.
Is there any tactic or strategy to avoid those lasers?

>>7961312

It feels so ridiculous, chances are it'll be a year or two before I beat it. MoF Hard is tough enough for me. Man I can't get anywhere there without bomb spam. Although I can't get anywhere in UFO Hard at all. The other extras I'll probably play on the side while playing Hard mode.

>>7961326

I had to bomb almost non-stop just to make it to her. I'm most certainly not ready to fight Koishi.

A thread about Touhou GAMEPLAY? Unbelievable.

>>7961331
Pretty much this, starting off on any stage other than 1 feels strange. Plus I enjoy capturing spellcards i've already captured before even if I have a near perfect history with them.

Unrelated to game play I find the music to be strange if I suddenly jump to a track, that is my own weirdness though.

>>7961317
>>7961337
Thank you very much!

>>7961331
Ok.

>>7961304
>Do you feel there's something wrong with your technique?
I tend to get very nervous in Stage 4 knowing i have to reach Stage 5 with many lives in order to win against Sakuya. Nervousness killed me many times.

How do you do to keep calm while in high risk touhou situations?

I need some advice for a 1cc lunatic run on EoSD that I've been working on for about the past month.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=16216
Any critiques from experienced players would really make my day.

>>7961368
Arousal. No, not the sexual kind. The other one.

Apathy is your worst enemy when playing these games as it deteriorates your eye-to-hand coordination but, more importantly, doesn't let you give a fuck about hazards you actually know are coming.

You just have to trick your brain into becoming stimulated. Think of something exciting (but without letting it distract you) or play under some kind of pressure, like a time limit. One day, I saw someone on /jp/ gloat about how he beat Flandre with the hitbox patch, so I went on and proceeded to beat her for the first time in a fit of jealousy and superiority complex (yeah). You don't necessarily have to do that, but you do need a brain stimulus to get the flow going. At least that's what works for me.

>>7961383
What an interesting idea.

I've been in a bit of a rut lately so I'm going to try this out, thanks.

>>7961383
Duly noted.

Every single time oh my GOD. I don't even understand.

Is it really that hard to capture one more damn card?
And it's not even the same cards each time...
Whatever.

Just back from playing some more EoSD.
I found a good practice exercise to play on Hard and Lunatic instead of Normal (despite the goal being 1CCing on that difficulty) as a way to lessen the tension (which was too high).

Then i played on Normal again and was less nervous, which was good. But as a downside of that i am taking bigger risks during boss fights, which killed me.
I still have to find a balance when it comes to risking and bombing.

Playing on Hard and Lunatic feels... empowering (I'm playing without credit-feeding).

Regarding what >>7961383 said, i decided to not use the practice mode and just try to do 1CC.
Why? Because when i play in Practice Mode i don't feel very motivated compared to a normal run.

Question about EoSD:

Which character and set of weapons do you use and WHY?

I'm using MarisaB.

>>7961612
Reimu B and Marisa A. Everything else is for pussies.

>>7961612
whatever suits your needs.
Are you too lazy to stay under your enemies? ReimuA.
Do you want to score/kill everything ASAP?
ReimuB.
Snipe things from the distance?
MarisaA.
Have a cool looking bomb?
MarisaB.

>>7961616
True story.

>>7961612
MarisaA because trip.

Me again >>7961592

Actually i found out a good way to use practice mode: I just used it to practice specific spell cards or bullet patterns.

Example: Patchouli's attacks.
What i did was
A) First reach the desired practice point
B) Then, stop firing and just focus on avoiding the bullets, but having my finger on the bomb button just in case i find myself in a situation where there is no escape at all.

Thanks to that i got used to 2 of Patchouli's attack patterns which were giving me a headache.

C) Then practice while shooting.

>>7961317
>Patchu's cards are all about distractions. Focus on one type of projectile and try dodging the other unconsciously.
I just learnt how true is that.

The moving lasers part becomes easier once i focus my sight on the red glowing bullets instead of the red laser.

And the next attack has a tempo which i hadn't figure out before due being too nervous.

>>7961630
Nice.

>>7961373
Stage 3 - Stage portion: You could graze moar 'ere. Also, I see a lot of stickin' to the bottom at the latter parts. If you're more safe with it, it's ok, but it - may - get you killed if you're not sure of your playin'. For Meilin's midboss card... it's generally concidered better to bomb than to die at, if you're unsure of the movement. However, the card IS somewhat static, and can be mostly captured without too much sweat broken.
Stage 3 - Boss portion: Meilin's opener can kill you if you're unlucky. You kept the bombin' finger on X 'ere, so I quess you were aware of that. For the second noncard, try to finish it when there're more knifes thrown by fairies on the field - results in moar points. The two final cards... Your shot is somewhat aimed, don't be afraid of moving to the corners at parts, if you find that an easier way to dodge them. However, it's not exactly the best way to do them, and most people find it best to just do them at the middle and nuke Meilin, hopin' for the best. Nifty dodgin' at Flower Dream Vine, btw.

Stage 4 - Stage portion: Eh, the books before Koa I have not much to say about. I find them hard myself, mostly often bombin' them to the smithereens. The Lazor part after Koa is streamable, tho'. You should pay some practice to learnin' it. Also, the three - final - fairies that make bullets disappear... Start with the middle one, then move left, then right.. Or that's my way, use the one you're most comfortable with.

Not much to say 'bout the Patchy battle, aside from "great work, lad". Agni Shine's... well, I don't have many tips 'ere, given the fact that I rarely encounter it due to different skill card. But I could say, try to dodge one barrage at a time.

>>7961781
Stage 5 - Stage portion: You lost it 'ere, huh? The startin' part's somewhat easy - the small-bullet-spawnin' fairies can be cheesed on top of them, while the fast blue ones shootin' ones can be streamed. Midboss Sakuya's noncard can be cheesed on top of the boss. .. Illusional Misdirection's a pattern. Learn to trick around with it, maybe watch a few replays off it. For the latter stage part, stuff might get chaotic at the bullet-spamming-fairy-waves just after midboss-Sakuya. But hey, you get less of those if you waste more time with midboss Sakuya, yay!

Stage 5 - Boss Portion:
A lot of random shit here. What I suggest is to watch a few replays, then follow up onto doing some actual practice runs off the stage. For the first spell card, I find it easier to dodge the big red bullets before conciderin' to look where the blue knifes that may wall you are. (This will result in you runnin' into the blue ones a couple of times until you become familiar with the pattern.) The World... I keep most of my focus on the green ones. Remember to watch for the rest of the shit aswell, tho'. Killing doll's a pain. It might wall you, it might get you clipped. Bomb 'ere if you're unsure.

>>7961785
Stage 6 - Stage portion: One rather cheesy way to deal with the startin' spam is to cling to one of the walls - wether one is on left or right side, doesn't matter. - The "blue rings of doom" that follow up are somewhat streamable, you could try lookin' trough a couple of replays and givin' it a few practices. The noncard before Eternal meek walls you if you're not totally aware of everything. I usually am not. Meek's panic dodgin' and prayin' for a not too wallish spam at your face while waitin' for the boss to disappear. Feel free to bomb if you feel unsure 'ere.

Stage 6 - Boss portion: Remi differs from some other Final bosses due to the fact that she likes to start with an actually hard spam. It's still learnable, if you pay enough practice to it tho'. The first card's somewhat static, but it still does have the nasty ability of "ohyougotwalledlol" sometimes. The second noncard's pretty easy once you learn how to trick around with it. Pay some practice 'ere. Thousand Needle Mountain's a nasty one - it tends to get you misread the bullet hitboxes every now and then. You seem to do fine 'ere, tho'. Third noncard's a thing to show those greedy bastards who went for the point items some knifes. God Art's got the most epic walling ability I've ever seen, I get walled fairly often 'ere. But yet another time, you seem to do great. Nifty! Remi's final noncard's a spam + pattern + break for breath. Just remember to hug the boss enough to make sure the card finishes as soon as possible. Scarlet Meister's one of the hardest cards this game has got to throw at you. Some people seem to have a habit to start from the rightmost corner, while others prefer the leftmost one. Pay practice, be aware of your surroundings and hold your hand on the bomb button... Just to be sure.

Scarlet Gensokyo? Yeah, I don't have tips for that, I have never capped it.

This's all I can say at the moment, keep up the great work over there, anon, and you'll make it one day!

>>7961781
>>7961785
Ok, let me be a faggot and go offtopic for a moment, but please please stop abusing the gangsta apostrophe

>>7961781
Thanks. I appreciate the advice.

>>7961781
>>7961785
>>7961789
Is that you, Rin?

Getting better against Sakuya. I'm enjoying this a lot.

>>7961803
Nah, I'm a drunken finnish pianist with some bad writing habits when using english.

Ay?

Joking aside, I'm going to play some Phantasm. Let's see how hard I suck when I'm this tired.

Decided to give LLS another shot. And now I see why it's considered one of the easiest games in the series. Man, Yuuka was tougher as a stage 5 boss than as a stage 6 boss. Had 5 lives and a bomb left when I cleared it.

>>7961809
Phantasm wasn't open on my friends computer I'm playing on at the moment.

Decided to go suck at Ran.

Bad run, bad score, bad bombing, bad failures. Guhhhhhh.

I am having lot of FUN, in the DF sense, on Ran. The stage is easy, but Chen ;_;
>"Red Oni, Blue Oni" 0/33
Also, I am not suer why, but at times I do Wizard Fox Thoughts perfectly and at times I die on the third or fourth boom. It's maddening, since I mostly go by the sound and can't even deathbomb it when it comes. It mostly happens when the mandala explodes too close, like, just over my character, so I die because it pretty much apears in my hitbox. This happens when I am fairly low, too. Hope I can get the jump-streaming down better there.
Also, Banquet is somehow really fucking hard for me. I have cleared Charming Siege From All Sides in all of its insanity more times than Banquet.

So, how often do you guys usually play? It's taken me about two years to 1cc all the main Windows games on Normal, but I haven't really played all that often, I have about 15 hours on each game. Wanted to know how long it would generally take to improve a noticeable amount.

>>7961893
Wizard Fox Thoughts is easy. Just make small, very small, taps in one direction. The card speeds up after a few bursts so you only need to make one dodge for every two bursts. Playing as Reimu might make the advantage for me.

Banquet? The lower right corner is your friend. With ReimuB I start very close to Ran and back away from the wall of bullets and break into the corner when I'm almost out of room. I can generally stare down that second wave and clear it before the wall reaches me.

I can upload a replay if you want.

Me again >>7961678

I FINALLY ACHIEVED 1CC ON NORMAL ON EOSD, FUCK YEAH!!!!

>this is how my run went

Then here i was in front of Patchouli

>tension rising up!

Then i was like
>FUCK YEAH, THE TRAINING PAID OFF

>>7962068
You know what to do next.
Get raped by Flandre.

DELICIOUS SAKUYA, PREPARE YOUR ANUS!

I prefered to play it safe rather than screwing up badly.

>My fingers! M-my fingers are moving on their own!

>>7962068
Wait, at this point shouldn't you only have 5 lives in reserve? 10, 20mil extends plus the one from Meiling?

And then, Remilia...

My hands were shaking really badly, even my teeth were shaking!

I was so fucking nervous i kind of wasted 2 bombs, then i ended at her last straws of health without any remaining bombs and just the life i had, THAT TENSION, MAN! THAT FINAL TENSION!

I WAS LITERALLY SHOUTING AT THE SCREEN!
>OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT I'M THE MOTHERFUCKING RICHTER PEDOMONT I WILL TASTE YOUR SWEET VAMPIRE LOLI PUSSY HOLY FUCKING SHIT JUST DIE ALREADY!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

>>7962106
I know dat feel.

>>7962106

You remind me of my Byakuren fight. I was singing along to Emotional Skyscraper and getting all excited. These games really get me excited during the later stages.

YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
!!!!!!!!!!!!

HOLY FUCKING SHIT MY HANDS ARE GOING NUMB AND I FEEL LIKE HAVING A FUCKING CARDIAC ARREST, FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!

... Now i'm finally calming down somewhat.

Shit man, it was an epic feel, i tell ya.

>>7962106
>>7962111
>>7962112
>>7962117
And there are still people who say that the 2hufags are not the ones killing /jp/.

>>7962117
>Player Penalty
I figured you used more than the default amount of lives.

>>7962133
I dlled the game already patched and didn't change the settings. But don't worry, i know i'm going to improve (One day i want to beat Flandre after all).

>>7962117

fun fact: because you raised the number of starting lives, that isn't a 1cc

>>7962155
Fun fact: ZUN disagrees.
Otherwise i shouldn't be able to play Extra Mode.

Zun made the rules, bro.

>>7962171
There's a reason why that option got removed from the latter games, and why you can't access Extra by way of a 1cc on Easy.

Patch is going to demolish you.

>>7962171

I'm not talking about what the game technically allows, I'm talking about what an actual 1cc is. you used two credit's worth of lives, thus, it's not a one-credit clear. try starting with 3 lives and not sucking next time

>>7962179
>I'm not talking about what the game technically allows.
But bro, the game rules are all.
I'm sorry if this offends some elitists players.

>I'm talking about what an actual 1cc is.
Finishing a game without using continue as far i'm concerned. Looks there is a different notion.

>try starting with 3 lives
Rest assured, I WILL, dude.

>>7962131
Displaying emotion or personality kills /jp/ to its core.

Apparently.


Anyways, Phoenix Oolong has been resteeped, maybe this time I won't get 2 FPS on Imperishable Shooting.

>>7962177
BTW, if by "Patch" you mean kouma_update102h.EXE.
It was already installed.

If there is a newer patch though, please post the link.

>>7962296
I think he meant Patchouli.

>>7962309
Oops, my bad.
Like i said before, i'm a beginner at STGs.

My next objective is to do a 1CC starting with 3 lives so the most elitist players don't bitch about it.

Still, this is 4chan so i know at least one person is going to complain, like this douchebag >>7962131

>>7962327
Dude, I'm with you. Game recognizes as 1cc = 1cc.

>>7962327
Seriously, just shut the fuck up. Your constant use of "bro" and "dude", smug attitude, and general posting style is unwelcome here.

Instead of taking the insults and information with stride you made yourself look like a bumbling retard.

Here, 1cc describes a run that begins with 3 lives, 3 bombs, and no continues. You can think you 1cc'd the game, but don't come prancing into here acting like THAT.

>>7962347
>is unwelcome here
By whom? An elitist tripcode user who got his panties on a bunch at someone being happy?

BTW, i don't think there is an official definition for 1CC beyond not using continue, or is there?
I'd like to know.

But by judging by the fact i obtained a Good Ending, i'd say the game recognized it as a 1CC.

>>7962369
See, you did it again.

I'm not saying your unhappiness is intolerable here, I'm saying your dumbassery is.

Every post you make just makes >>7962131 seem more and more right. I mean, if you're going to be stupid, at least sage your posts.

>>7962369
See, you did it again. I'm not saying your happiness is intolerable here, I'm saying your dumbassery is.

Every post you make just makes >>7962131 seem more and more right. I mean, if you're going to be stupid, at least sage your posts.

>>7962369
No, by pretty much everybody who visits the board. Most of them are just don't care enough to talk to you.

Also, a 1CC with extra lives and bombs is technically a one credit clear because you cleared it with one credit but nobody considers it as such.

>>7962369
You had extra lives. In a game where resource management is key for lower skilled survival, you had a bigger advantage. And more bombs. Marisa's Masterspark trivializes a lot of cards in that game.

The game also recognizes 1cc's even if your slow-rate is in the 90s. But everyone will call bullshit on it. Enjoy your hollow 1cc.

>>7962369
While starting yourself more lives or bombs isn't "officially" a dis-qualifier for the title of "1CC," it is looked down upon because it is a handicap.
A 1CC with 4 starting lives shouldn't be in the same class as a 1CC with default lives

>>7962385
>but nobody considers it as such.
>>7962335 and the game itself begs to differ.

I take the game as the official source of rules for the game, and if ZUN had a problem with that, he could have released a patch. Yet he didn't.

If anything, elitist fans bitching about the game rules being like they are makes the fandom look bad the way i see it.

Pretty much like the SSB tourneyfags demanding "NO ITEMS, FOX ONLY, FINAL DESTINATION!!!!111"

>>7962417
>SSB

Original Smash Brothers.
Bob-ombs only.
Dreamland.

>>7962417
1CC is not a scientific term, it's a term that has been used by the shmup community before ZUN made Highly Responsive to Prayers. If you want to get the good ending and see Extra, you already got what you wanted out of your "1CC." If you want to tell people about it, you get to use the definitions that are established in the community, not the ones that are technically precise.

>If anything, elitist fans bitching about the game rules being like they are makes the fandom look bad the way i see it
The way I see it, you're a retard, but hey, more power to you.

>>7962417
ZUN barely patches the broken shit that are his games. The replay has been broken for quite a few iterations now, and I've lost track of the glitchy bullshit like Shou's lasers and MoF's hitboxes.

Again, enjoy your hollow 1cc and a score that's lower than what I have partway through stage 4.

>>7962417
You would be the type of person that would give themselves max lives on SSB (N64) and beating the game on hard
Sure, you beat it on hard, but with more lives than default, it's nothing to brag about

>>7962380
>>7962380
>>7962387
>>7962394
You faggots really aren't any better than the other obnoxious guy.

>>7962432
Say that to my face fucker and not online and see what happens.

Arguments aside...I'm finding MoF Hard to be a decent challenge. Sometimes finding myself dying on Minoriko's first spellcard actually, can't capture it all that consistently.

>>7962432
>point out why he's wrong reasonably
>faggot

Yea, ok, whatever.

>>7962435

>>7962443
Reasonably? You just threw out a bunch of retarded ad hominems and personal opinions. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the faggot, nor do I think he's right- but you fucktards trying to look "pro" or "hardcore" can go back to /v/.

>>7962430
>it's nothing to brag about
See? That's where you bunch got it wrong.

I'M NOT BRAGGING.
Of course my beginner skills are way below the average, i never said otherwise.
I did, however, show my happiness at doing a 1CC (That elitists won't recognize despite the game doing so).

>>7962452
Now you've done it. I'm going to beat your ass down so mercilessly the International Criminal Court will put warrants out for my arrest for crimes against humanity. I hope you liked being able to eat non-intravenously.

>>7962461
>ad hominems and personal opinions
No, that's what you just did. You probably don't even know what an ad hominem is.

>>7962461
I was referring to my post >>7962387. Tripfag is being a bit retarded.

So, it is an unwritten rule that every shmup fan has to be a gargantuan faggot? I love the genre too, but Jesus Christ guys...you're worse than Narutards and tourneyfags combined.

>>7962474
No, it's just that everybody in /jp/ is a gargantuan faggot. We out-faggot everybody, no exceptions.

You're probably not going to like it here.

>>7962470
Typically when people say "you don't even know what [x] means", they're trying to say it first so it appears that they themselves know it, when they really don't.

This looks to be one of those cases.

>>7962483
I've been here for years. There are no shitposters on this board worse than these guys right now...and it's not just Touhou, it's any shmup thread. Have you read some of this shit?

>>7962484
An ad hominem is an logical fallacy that runs, "you are wrong because you are stupid" Most of the explanations as to why the person in question was arguably wrong were not rooted in this fallacy. Even the ones that did call the poster wrong did not say it was because they were stupid; the first premise did not rest on the second. If you think the four posts you linked all contained the ad hominem fallacy you are a retard.

>>7962493
>all contained
>all

Not to doubt your amazing reading comprehension, but when exactly did I say all? Or did you assume I "implied" it? That would be right in line with your pseudo-intellectual tendencies.

>>7962492
>There are no shitposters on this board worse than these guys right now...
Excuse me while I puke up my kidneys out of sheer incredulity. You must really not come around here much.

>>7962492
Nah, most threads are fine, especially Touhou ones. It's just that everyone gets their panties in a very tight bunch whenever 1ccs are mentioned, sometimes. I'm not really sure why.

>>7962498
You're one of the shitposters in question. Of course you're going to deny it. I'm guessing you came straight from /v/ with the rest of the faggots a few months ago.

>>7962497
You referred to "you faggots" in one post, and said that one of the posters "just threw out a bunch of retarded ad hominems and personal opinions," and later referred to "you fucktards." That implies that you're referring to us in the plural. It may not exclusively mean that every post contained the ad hominem fallacy, but since the only one that was even close was the one by Mush, even using the plural would be incorrect since there was at most one of the posts contained the fallacy.

Furthermore, Mush's didn't really suffer from the ad hominem fallacy since he just called him a retard without saying that he was wrong BECAUSE he was retarded. Bare insults are not ad hom.

>That would be right in line with your pseudo-intellectual tendencies.
Actually, that would be you, the one barging into an argument to pass judgment on both sides while being wrong about pretty much everything and using big words you don't understand.

>>7962503
Because there's not much else to do in Touhou on account of terrible scoring mechanics.

>>7962508
>implies
>more "NO U" arguments

So do you have a valid point or are you just going to fuck around backpedaling?

Must be entirely coincidental that as soon as someone says this thread is worse than shitposting threads, the shitposters start posting in this thread.

Must be.

>>7962502
The very worst posters on /jp/ are the ones who participate in the Touhou (or CAVE, etc) gameplay threads, who all got here a month ago. Okay. Right. Yeah, I'm denying that because not denying it would make me a tremendous retard.

Hey guys, I just woke up, what happened in this thread while I was asleep?

>>7962520
I can't tell if you're twisting words out of context to troll or because you're legitimately a fucking retard.

>>7962508
>big words

Oh god
>>>/gaia/
>>>/middle school/

>>7962517
I guess you're too dense to read more than three words, so let's try again:

You referred to posts in the plural that contained nothing but ad hominem fallacy and personal opinions, whereas at most one suffered from the former and the latter just isn't true.

>>7962527
What's going on, is that I'm taking your retarded words in context because you are a legitimately a fucking retard.

>>7962526
I got in a retarded meta-argument.

>>7962523
So, what's your latest achievement? Is there a 1CC you're going for right now, or are you already playing for score?

>>7962534
Are you blind dude? No personal opinions? Really?

Cite me a post where ZUN ever mentioned anything about "true" 1CCs. Nobody is right there, so it's all fucking opinions. I don't care what other shmups go by, they didn't develop the game.

As for ad hominems, either you still don't understand your own citations or you're intentionally trying to stretch them so that they magically "aren't".

>>7962537
I've been trying to capture more than 10 spellcards in IN Extra.

My last attempt saw me not even get that much because I bombed Hourai Doll. Pitiful.

>>7962537
On a side note, is "NO U" your only argument? Are you really going to sit there with a straight face and try to act intelligent and then do that shit?

I can't 1CC any game on Normal.
I've been trying to on EoSD but I keep making stupid mistakes, costing me a life (because I ran myself into a bullet, I wasn't prepared to bomb) and I ragequit.

Should I keep starting from 1, quitting every time I mess up? (This is what I normally do)
or would you recommend I take it into practice mode to solely memorize spell cards and form paths?

>>7962545
>quitting every time I mess up
Nah, that isn't the way to do things. Only restart when you run out of lives, to do anything less is wasting time on easier stages.

>I wasn't prepared to bomb
You should always be prepared to bomb, at all times.
Well, when playing for survival, anyways.

>>7962537
But you provoked the argument. Why so mad?

Guys, guys. Please.

If you're going to have to correct each other and post wtH pictures, please take it to the ghostboard. No reason to ruin the thread just because one new person got overly happy.

>>7962542
>No personal opinions?
There were personal opinions, but there were also things that were not personal opinions. Stating the general opinion of a community is pretty much by definition not a "personal" opinion.

And I haven't cited anything in this thread so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

>>7962549
>>7962552
Seems accurate.

>>7962553
>Stating the general opinion of a community is pretty much by definition not a "personal" opinion

That's just, like, your opinion man.

>>7962554
U FRUSTRATED U FRUSTRATED BRO U SO MAD WHY ARE YOU SO MAAAAD I CAN POST ANYTHING OTAKU RELATED THAT IS HOW IT SAYS IN THE RULES I DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR FAGGOTRY RULES Y SO MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

>>7962542
I see. I'm still trying to unlock the Extra on Fairy Wars but I keep getting my ass beaten down somewhere around in the last battle, and then there are a few cards I just can't deal with. Technically I could try and clear all the routes on easy but I would just get destroyed by Marisa so I'm not going to bother.

>>7962561
Go clear the routes in easy and unlock the extra. You'll be destroyed at first regardless.

>>7962545
Getting pissed off is the worst thing you can do really. Rage-restarts only snowball out.

Also EoSD is fairly difficult, more so if you don't have a good feel of where your hitbox is by instinct. Try MoF or PCB. Or just put the game down and play something else for a bit.

>>7962561
Yeah, I did that a number of weeks ago. (Beat Marisa the same day after something like 5-8 straight hours, so she's doable after a fashion.)
The thing about Fairy Wars is that you really gotta snowball from the early levels, and freeze more often than is strictly necessary. Having max power for Fairy Tackle from Hell is really beneficial.

Anyway, that one guy who the argument was initially about or something, enjoy your good ending and keep playing. If that's what you care about, just roll with it and ignore the opinion of people you pretty obviously don't care about. There are many friendlier Touhou-related communities out there if you go looking, anyway.

>>7962549
>wasting time on easier stages
That makes a whole lot of sense

>when playing for survival
I do often mess up just because I'm being cocky collecting (box things?) and I do just need to practice bombing overall.

Another question:
I can't decide between playing as ReimuB or MarisaA. I'm not terrible at staying somewhat under the enemies, but I'm wondering what exactly the advantages and disadvantages of each character are

>>7962561
Yeah, I did that a number of weeks ago. (Beat Marisa the same day after something like 5-8 straight hours, so she's doable after a fashion.)
The thing about Fairy Wars is that you really gotta snowball from the early levels, and freeze more often than is strictly necessary. Having max power for Fairy Tackle from Hell is really beneficial.

>>7962603
They're pretty similar I think. Main difference is movement speed - if you can handle faster movement Marisa is nice, but Reimu's precision has its moments too. Also, Reimu does have a bit of advantage in stages with wider spread, as well as the option of moving in close for shotgunning.

Marisa A is significantly better for the Extra though because she can really trivialize Royal Flare, and you don't need the spread for Flandre generally.

>>7962603
One has a smaller hitbox, the other is faster and can collect things better.

>>7962608
>>7962610
Thank you both

>>7962608
Aren't the hitboxes the same in EoSD?

>>7962614
Oh yeah, you're right. Sorry.

>>7962615
You might want to install the hitbox patch until you are familiar with yours. Also the difference between ReimuB and MarisaA is that MarisaA has more amusing conversations.

>>7962589
Thanks.
I'm getting to know the touhou fandom and is good to find there is nice people too besides the elitist douchebags who ruined this thread.
I also want to thank again the rest of the people who provided me with helpful advice.

I'll keep playing, i'm really enjoying this game.

>>7962632
No, seriously, this thread is pretty much how it always is. Everybody here is an asshole, but some people like it that way. Shrinemaiden and Pooshlmer are two other communities you might want to check out.

Happy gaming.

>>7962692
>this thread is pretty much how it always is.

This is a blatant lie and I really can't figure out why you would say such a thing.
Maybe one in ten /jp/ Touhou gameplay threads turn into this.

>>7962709
>This is a blatant lie
You got me.

>I really can't figure out why you would say such a thing.
It's very important to maintain the illusion that /jp/ is all shit all the time. It keeps expectations low in the case that something retarded does happen.

>>7962736
>It keeps expectations low in the case that something retarded does happen.

It also encourages shitposting because people end up thinking that it's normal.