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They will be sent back in time from our descendants in the future for the sole purpose of the news reaching /jp/ and more shitty threads being made.

Suck my neutrinos dude

and?

>>7906565
this has not been confirmed yet.

>>7906565
And? Just because some particles maybe have been observed to exceed the speed of light doesn't mean we'll be able to magically move anything we want at these speeds. And how is this even anywhere near confirmed? A margin of 60 nanoseconds over 730 kilometers and you're gonna tell me there's no possibility of a measurement error? lololol

Meanwhile at Tachyonville

Trouble is brewing

Going by theory: Shouldn't that particle arrive before it was sent out, if it travelled faster than the light?

Doesn't that violate the law of conservation of energy?

>>7906774
The theory as we know it, which is obviously wrong.

Oh man, Star-trek is going to sound so silly now, "light speed" haha.

>>7906634
It's much more to it that that; If things moved past the speed of light the universe would be a jumbled mess of events lost across the, now useless, concept of time and space. It's a humongous deal.

However:
http://blog.vixra.org/2011/09/19/can-neutrinos-be-superluminal/

>>7906777
Space has expanded faster than light. There are galaxies that are no longer observable because of the acceleration away from us.

Lightspeed is just a universal speed limit that was made up to make some other pieces fit. Tachyons are theoretical, but still possible. Also, quantum entanglement shits all over lightspeed.

Neutrinos? That's not new at all.

The great thing about this is, that it doesn't violate the observation that we haven't received new from the future, yet.

If sending information through time is possible iwht this, you need to be fully prepared to receive it.

>>>/sci/

>>7906809
/jp/ - Just Particles

>>7906801
its going to be one-way though.

/jp/ - particle physics general

OH GOD A THEORY WAS WRONG THE WORLD IS GOING TO END

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNT8SMlqLJA

>>7906812
perfect

>>7906809
I'm going to revise that, it would be possible to communicate both ways.

If this does not encourage some way for me to get to Gensokyo what's the point?

>>7906794
>Also, quantum entanglement shits all over lightspeed.
Don't bring quantum entanglement in this please.

>>7906823
You'll never know anon; this may be a small stepping stone to portal technology.

>>7906634
margin of error is +-10ns faggot.

>>7906794
>quantum entanglement shits all over lightspeed.

You can't transfer information with it, though, or at least not faster than with light for that matter.

>not waiting for independent replication of the results before jumping into wild conclusions

"Einstein was wrong about everything!!! FTL TRAVEL!" errywhere. Fuck this gay science reporting.

>>7906811

>OH GOD A THEORY WAS WRONG THE WORLD IS GOING TO END

It was kind of the binding theory that heavily influenced most modern physics, especially quantum mechanics and astronomy.

You know those "once per century" scientific breakthroughs? This could be one of those, depending on just how significantly it reshapes the scientific community.

>>7906838
>reporting

That's the fucking problem there.

>>7906827
Butthurt detected.

>>7906833
If a particle can exist in 2 or more places over large distances at the same time, under the same circumstances - then transfering information is possible.

>>7906846
suck my particles dude

>>7906857
Thanks for reminding me of the Ender books, fuck.

Sorry we are not open yet.


A neutrino walks into a bar.

>>7906909
That was smart.

>>7906865
What's wrong with that?

>>7906857
Various informed people who know quantum mechanics better than me has said that the whole Quantum Entanglement FTL stuff is merely based on fundamental misunderstandings of QM.

They are so cute

>>7906910
It's a bit old, TBH.

>>7906921
Neutrino-chan is fast

>>7906794
>Also, quantum entanglement shits all over lightspeed.
Nothing 'moves' during quantum entanglement though.
>>7906833
Really? I went to a lecture a few years ago and apparently scientists were looking into it. Say you have a few quantum entangled particles in pairs at a distance, and Spin A represents binary 0 and Spin B represents binary 1, then you can manipulate the particles to have their states (and corresponding data) duplicated at a distance.
Although I know nothing about physics (the lecture was basically a school trip during my A-levels) and it's possible I misunderstood.

>>7906921
science is so moe~

>>7906943
No you're right, if you send all types of information through entanglement then it will be recreated in it's opposite state.

It doesn't have to travel anywhere, to be faster than light - that's the whole point.

Also, it's pretty much accepted in science now. The other anon may be right about FTL at large distances. But a 1 and 0 is still information, and it's recreated in it's entangled state - and thus can be read (as data).

I was born hundreds of years too early ;_;

>>7906985
We were born a few centuries early.

We will never experiece space travel or any of that futuristic stuff ;_;

>>7906992
The thought of space travel is terrifying, the sheer accuracy of calculations required to actually get where you're going, and a fraction off and you're way fucked.

>>7906985
Don't worry Buttranger. I'm sure in the future they'll be able to 'reverse engineer' a corpse to its previous state and recreate every atom as data. Then we can use these principles to recreate you exactly as you are now, and you can enjoy all the wonders of the World of Tomorrow!

>>7907009
Time slows down at higher speeds. The problem would cancel itself out. You could navigate around comets and asteroids, I imagine - because of the time difference inside and outside of the craft.

If this post ends in doubles, neutrinos will neutrino Earth in 2012

>>7907018
Not gonna happen.

Yes, physically possible, but you're going to be looking at a lifeless shell of someone.

>>7907041
How's that any different from what he is now?

>>7907018
Why are you shitposting? Reported.

>>7907033
Now, getting to significant relativistic speeds is a humongous challenge, and it probably won't be the standard for interstellar travel (Perhaps 1-10% is "reasonable", otherwise we're talking mass ratios of 500 or more.), and traveling at percents of C inside a solar system? That's silly.

And FTL is probably impossible since it fucks with everything ever, and QE exists but it doesn't function in a way that somehow allows FTL.

Don't buy into the /sci/ "space colonization" threads, their practical engineering knowledge is appalling.

>>7907056
So you want him just for his physical body? lol necrophilia

>>7907033
>Time slows down at higher speeds
I'm no physicist, but isn't this just a theory? Can't this experiment potentially prove it to be false?

>>7907087
We've proven this with atomic clocks and rockets.

>>7906919
Indeed, I had a chat with my Statistical Physics professor (who also teaches a few phd courses on advanced theoretical physics and QFT) about it earlier today and he said the whole "using QE to transfer information and communicating FTL" thing was from his perspective a load of bullshit.

>>7907087
Time dilation is a pretty solid part of the theory of relativity.

>>7907087
No, a lot of satellites require clock corrections because of this effect even though they go at pretty low speeds.

So does that mean we can go into space now? I can't wait to live out my life dream of being a space pirate.

>>7907080
Getting to lightspeed the conventional way sounds impossible. The talk about generating black holes for the energy required sounds retarded too. The most probable way of doing it would be with anti-gravity, assuming that gravity can be treated like waves.

Traveling at light speed within a star system may sound suicidal, but again - if you consider the time difference between inside and outside of the craft, you may be able to take several minutes to operate/navigate when relative to observers it seems instant.

>>7907122
No.

>>7906985
>The Buttranger

Quit using that name you shitty imposter.

Just because you played Mass Effect 2 doesn't mean you know shit about QE, because you clearly don't.

>>7907122
You will never into space.

>>7907122

>>7907122
Just wait until immortality comes out then you'll have no worries. Alternatively, wait until a matrix program comes out and you'll be able to do anything you want.

>>7907122
Until the Jews, Zionism and Capitalism are eradicated, we will likely never see cool sci-fi societies.

It's likely to be more like Total Recall. Rich Jews selling Oxygen on Mars (in another 300 years). Think about when technology started to take off, in the 1970s and 1980s they predicted we'd have moon bases, and all types of futuristic shit. But look at us. Invading the middle east for oil. The closest thing we have to futuristic technology is an autistic robot and a particle accelerator.

This crazy hippy came to my university and gave a talk about how future medicine will prolong how long we live, and that some of us may even live for centuries. In fact he believes the world's first 1000-year-old has already been born.

So don't worry. As life prolonging science gradually gets better, you will live longer and longer. You will all know how it feels to venture into space and travel at lightspeed. The downside is that you will probably have the body of a 90-year-old man by then.

>>7907131
>i know this science shit
>just look at this guy having a conversation with another guy about science
>how dare they
>what a faggot
>im going to tell him he doesn't know shit about this science stuff
>i know this science stuff

>Alvaro De Rujula, a theoretical physicist at CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research outside Geneva from where the neutron beam was fired, said he blamed the readings on a so-far undetected human error.

CERN must be pretty desperate for attention (funding) if they're making a story out of this.

Even if it is true, it's not going to create any leap in technology. It'll just be another thing for theoretical physicists to jack off to while they burn piles of bibles.

>>7907153
>>7907131
Fuck, will you people just stop?

>>7907149
I'm perfectly fine with that. I just want to go to space ;_;

>>7907127
>>7907148
Alright, I don't think you know anything more about space travel than someone who's read the most widespread "scientific" litterature, like Michio Kaku.

This isn't /jp/ related, you're destroying the little that exists of the shitty Buttranger persona and your musings about the future are complete hogwash.

>>7907153
>>just look at this guy having a conversation with another guy about science
Fuck you, I totally agree with that guy. You're not having a conversation about science, you're rambling about things you don't even understand on the most basic level.

And who are you quoting?

>>7907153
>austism macro
>greentext
>namefag w/ a stolen name

Whatever you say, buddy.

>>7907127

>Traveling at light speed within a star system may sound suicidal, but again - if you consider the time difference between inside and outside of the craft, you may be able to take several minutes to operate/navigate when relative to observers it seems instant.

They see me rollin, they relatively hatin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vpu6yJPRVQ

>>7907149
As if such medication would ever see the light of day, or the cost is going to be stupidly expensive.

Add in the fact that our planet already has issues with over population in areas this sort of medicine sure wont help.

>>7907160
>I just want to go to space
There's nothing out there. No adventures. No fun times. Nothing.

>>7907162
Samefag
Butthurt

You know, agreeing with yourself is a sign of autism?

60 nanoseconds faster probably still isn't fast enough to cross crevices

>>7907171
Reported.

Get the fuck back to /a/.

>>7907175
Just ignore and report it.

>>7907176
No. He has to know. I won't be satisfied otherwise.

>>7907187
Remember to use sage or nokosage on /jp/, it's the standard here, take extra care that you use it when you reply to shit threads.

You fuck.

>>7907187
lol'd

/jp/ has been strange the last few days. Why are you shitposting? Just because you're jealous that I know about special relativity.

Get over it.

>>7907166
No, no, you don't understand! I just want to see Earth and the stars.

Forever.

>>7907194
I don't use sage specifically because it annoys autists like yourself who take some pathetic pride in /jp/'s use of it.

Thinking you need to sage every single post you make isn't using it correctly, anyways. Unless you're admitting that every post you make it worthless shit not worth anyone's attention, which may very well be the case.

>>7907206
10/10 would laugh again

>>>/a/
>>>/v/

>>7907211

And how does this help the current state of mankind? It is nice that they are discovering new things, but how about discovering new, renewable sources of energy, cures to diseases, or ending world hunger?

I am all for the advancement of mankind, but it seems like most of that money goes towards some people's Star Trek related fantasies.

>>7907224
Basic research. Now stop replying.

>>7907226
Sure bro. Whatever you say.

>>7907224
Who gives a shit, this is science!
Besides, you talk about what people should be doing for others, but what have you done? At least these guys are doing something productive.

>>7907224
Of course it's important! Every starving, half-dead child in the world must know they can never escape the clutches of SCIENCE!!

Link to the paper "Measurement of the neutrino velocity with the OPERA detector in the CNGS beam"

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.4897v1

you should read it

but I know you won't

>>7907224
They're doing that shit too. Stop being an idiot.

Also, expanding into space is the only 'realistic' way to solve world hunger. Particle physics could help in that venture, no?

>>7907224
Last time I checked, most scientists working in cutting-edge research and development aren't skilled in a wide variety of fields.

This is as stupid as asking why ZUN doesn't make 1080p 3D motion-sensing Touhous for 360 and PS3.

>>7907224
What you just said,
It's about as ignorant as this

>>7907224
You should read Carl Sagan's "The Demon-Haunted World". There's a chapter that deals exclusively with this kind of thought, and exactly why it's harmful. I'd point you to the exact chapter, but I can't remember it right now.

How is this news? I first read about researchers measuring particles existing at two places at the same time years ago. This just confirms that light speed theory was not the Ultimate Truth.

>>7907562
Well, you're wrong on many levels.

>>7906565
Oh god, I laughed at OPs name more than I should have.
Fucking SERN and its mini black holes.

>>7907514
I read 4 comments then I gave up.

My wish to strangle those idiots became too great.

>>7907564
Like?

>>7907224
Because Biology is not a hard science.

>>7907575
The fact that you're wrong, among others. What you're talking about is QE, the thing that started a flamewar in this thread because people misunderstands the mechanics of it. It's not FTL.

And you seem to have certain misunderstandings of the way theories works. (And in connection to that, the entirety of science itself. This isn't an insult, I must add.)

We've known about hyperspace for years, you ignorant proles.

>>7907575
Ignore him, he's a butthurt troll. (Honestly)

>>7906838
There are only two other particle accelerators capable of reproducing this experiment:
J-PARC and Fermilab.

J-PARC got shut down by the Sendai earthquake, and Fermi's instruments don't have a narrow enough impulse response to measure the 60ns difference. In fact, I think Fermilab did a similar experiment, but the margin of error was too large to be acceptible.