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>>7848246
yeah, because locale is not needed.

I want to, I really want to. But It's hard to get myself to play through an RPG twice, especially if a lot of grinding is involved. But I hadn't had so much fun playing an RPG in ages till I played this, so I just might if I drop the current game I'm playing.

Do you have to grind like a retard to achieve anything or should you be fine if you progress without extra grinding?

I'm already at the end of the postgame. All that's left is to grind for equipment and learn the rest of Satori's spells.

>>7848265
up to where I am (stage 7) it was just fine, but the bosses how quite some nasty tricks. I think the most important thing is strategy.
vid very much related.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtzfkh76B8E&lc=7Jef27_xFQZJMvLoLSXBM4Bh38ROTG8nkxEb1xgdQrY&fe
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>>7848265
I went through the entire game without having to grind at all, until the final boss/postgame areas.

東方蒼神縁起
is this it? I think I downloaded this a couple years ago but never installed it because I figured it would be too hard to play.

>>7848276

>Mukoh

I lol'd harder than I should have.

So where do I find the patches to update my game to 2.0.6?
Also is there an expansion or something and does this translation work with them? Do I need to patch the expansion as well?

>>7848291
yes. and the translation patch is up to date for the 2.06 patched expansion Lingering Summer Heat.

>>7848303
http://www.gensoukyou.org/update.html
2.06 seems to be expansion only. The shrinemaiden translation seems to be also expansion only. So you should just get it.
Also, savestates are compatible with everything I guess. I transferred my untranslated vanilla chars to translated exp. without problems.

>>7848265
While for completion you need to grind a lot, to actually progress, leveling isn't that important. For better or worse, the boss battles are EXTREMELY strtegic and guide-dang-it. Reading the strategy guide/trial and error is much more important than grinding.

Hint: Etrian Odyssey veterans should feel at home. While most RPG players probably scoff at someone whose entire moveset revolves around defensive moves instead of an flashy attacks, Alice's Defender/Hoplite role is invaluable to your success.

for those who have beat the game, did you have a Satori with healing abilities? And if so, where did you get it? Some monks in the netherworld seem to have "Mass Heal", but when I control them, the heal is not among the spells...

>>7848965

That's because you can't get some abilities through control. IIRC, I believe the only method to gain some enemy support spells is through charm and wait till they randomly cast it on your party.

>>7848997
>charm
that worked, and I got it the first time! thank you

Things are finally starting to go my way. Those five are MINE.

Hey I want play this game, Como le hago? Arigatou

PS: Help me porfavor

>>7849397
Fuck off Suigin

>>7849367
Most skills have a 5% learn rate, or 15% with maxed Learning tree. Some have 10% or higher base rate, but support skills are usually almost guaranteed learn (with maxed Learning)

However, Breath attacks have a 1% base learning so it's pretty random, just keep Satori in your party (preferably in a baiting position) through the game to learn a whole bunch of Blue Magic. Bosses sometimes have unique Blue Magic too, like Iku's Thunderclap.

How advanced is "so well advanced?" I don't trust betas and tests and whatnot.

>>7850780
It's finished. Only things left are debating some words to use for translation, such as Parrar vs Pariel, and a cutscene freeze that's solved by running in Windows 95 compatibility.

By the way, while all party members join you eventually, Mokou and Byakuren can in fact be recruited asap, which will turn the first two boss fights into jokes.

Peaked my interest. Only issue, finding this download.

Would anyone with the English translation mind putting their whole into a rar and uploading to megaupload?

>>7851833
I would but my internet connection is utter shit right now. There's a clean copy on /rs/ though. You just have to apply the official patches from >>7848310 and then the English patch files from OP's link.

>>7851833
>>7851878
Just download from Pooshlmer, it's all prepatched.

>>7851883
I wasn't aware that they even had it up there. That would have saved some time.

Oh well.

How dare you, Okuu, forcing me to use a strategy more complex than "shoot stuff until everything is dead." At least there were several ways around that.

The game keeps randomly crashing for me, not sure why.

>>7851883
Completely forgot about that.

Thanks.

>>7851903
Because it doesn't like being in English. It usually crashes for me at the end of every cutscene before a boss. Are you running it with Windows 95 compatability?

>>7851917

Ah, no. I'l try that now.

>>7851901
the zombie effect Rin uses on your guys can be in fact dispelled by a permament healing spell. The more you know.

>>7851903
>>7851917
Windows 95 compatibility generally solves it, but if it doesn't, you can always skip cutscenes with D when you think it's towards the end of the scene.

>>7851901
This game, for better or worse, has some of the most strategy-heavy boss fights I've seen in RPGs. Pretty much every boss from now on will have their own gimmick and you'll need the right setup for an easier time. Trial and error, but then again, it's not like you get penalized for dying so it doesn't matter. In fact, try to die a lot. After dying ten times, go to hell (Muenzuka one) to get a formation from Komachi. After dying a hundred times, go to heaven to get another formation from Tenshi!

Could you post a download link for the whole thing, patched and in english? Thank you.

>>7854241

Same, I'd rather have download links than having to visit shrinemaiden.

>>7854241
>>7854260
Try reading the thread.

>>7854260
Only a idiot would fulfill a request from such a faggot.

>>7854268

The layout of that site stabs your eyes.

>>7854268
You sure love getting asshurt whenever someone badmouths Shrinemaiden, touhouwiki guy.

>>7851893
The game upload at pool has an older translation patch on it currently, so you'll still need to download the latest Game.pak and Img.pak to use with it.

>>7854278
Whoa, now I'm butthurt for calling a lazy faggot a lazy faggot. OUCH OUCH OUCH

>>7854309

If your site weren't so terrible, people would actually want to go on it.

Remember when /jp/ didn't reward lazy fuckers?

Oh wait, that never happened.

>>7854311
I'm sure he's real sad that you have to sit here and complain about Shrinemaiden because you're too lazy to do the work it takes to play Genius of Sappheiros.

So how to I go about installing this?

>>7854158
wee, someone saved my .gif

What's all this talk about downloading it off Shrinemaiden? Can't you just download everything (game + expansion + english patch) from the thread on Poosh?

>>7852641
Orin never did anything noteworthy to me in all the time I fought her. I wasted almost all of my MP killing Okuu with excessive force and still got through Orin very slowly with attacks that were hardly effective.

>>7854653
What, seriously? Wow you're pretty lucky because Orin's biggest threat is that she REVIVES Okuu, so you should usually always kill her first.

Oh boy, another game. I wonder how I'll fuck up getting this one to work? Fun, fun, fun.

About how buggy does the patch make the game?

Does the game autosave every time you close the program?

>shrinemaiden.org

Fuck off.

>>7854965
U FRUSTRATED U FRUSTRATED BRO U SO MAD WHY ARE YOU SO MAAAAD I CAN POST ANYTHING OTAKU RELATED THAT IS HOW IT SAYS IN THE RULES I DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR FAGGOTRY RULES Y SO MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

>>7854956
It autosaves every time you close the menu, finish a battle, or leave a dungeon.

>>7854988

Shrinemaiden.org shows its nose in the thread! So polite!

>>7854988
>88

SIEG HEIL DUDE!

>>7855024
You wish, autist. I agree that the place is a shithole but you're just being a hipster faggot about it.

>>7855024
So the WHATTA FUCK spam originates from Shrinemaiden...

The plot thickens.

>>7854903
Not much except for the occasional crash at the beginning/end of a cutscene. Make sure you're running with Windows 95 compatibility mode though.

>>7855088
>88

SIEG HEIL DUDE!

>>7855084
Nigga you blind?

>>7854801
Damn, I'm not sure I think that was good luck.

How far along is everyone, and did you recruit Mokou and Byakuren, who otherwise join you on stage 9 and 11, respectively?

I like how the game is really true to the characters' jerkass portrayals

How many times were you supposed to kick the shit out of Meiling while she was knocked out before she woke up and taught you a new formation? I've been doing it forever.

>>7855127
256 times! Ganba~!
It's a 2-person formation though so it's kinda useless

>>7855127
Hold down the A button with coins or something and go make some tea in the meantime

>>7855088
How do I do that?
And am I going to need to applocale this?

>>7855117
>I like how the game is really true to the characters' jerkass portrayals
Urgh...I don't like the sound of that...

>>7855414
Don't use applocale, use actual Japanese Locale (or at least install it with Japanese Locale)

>>7855414
What's wrong with that? Well, it's mostly just Reimu rampage, which is pretty canon.

>>7855414
Right click exe > Properties > Compatibility
Not sure if this is any different in Vista/Windows 7.

Machouli, best 25-skill ever

Satori's 2 skill bar is learning , 3rd eye and the other 2 that i donno what it is? I tried to max both but i don see any difference.

>>7856254
The "Trauma" skill tree affects the chances, duration, casting speed of permanent type status effects (sleep, paralysis, silence, etc.)

The "Id" skill tree affects the chances, strength, and casting speed of variety type status effects (defense down, attack down, etc.)

Both trees mildly increase physical skill damage as well, but the effects are pretty mild.

What does the Truma look like?
The Heart shaped or the black ooze with 2 eyes?

Sorry i mean the Trauma skill icon.

I don't think this has been brought up, but can I patch straight from 2.00 to 2.06?
Or do I have to do them all consecutively?

>>7856338
>>7856342

>>7856374
the one called "souzin206x" should do it. X marks the spot

>>7856388
Thank you. This saves me the trouble of having to wait 30 minutes downloading each patch.

This game sure likes to crash a lot with the english patch. I played this game almost the whole way through when it first came out but never had a single crash when it wasn't translated, but now it's happening every few minutes. I'm running it on Windows 95 compatibility mode... And I even just so happened to do a clean windows 7 install recently, so I doubt its an issue with my machine. Anything else that can be done to prevent the crashes?

>>7856821
maybe a locale thing? My system isn't set to japanese, and I'm not using applocale (as seen in OP pic)

>>7856845

Nope, my computer is set on Japanese locale.

Waiting warmly for Byakuren-sama to return.

>>7857053
I wonder how people were supposed to figure out the instructions for her and Mokou without being told it outside the game. Was it also something they told people who bought the game at launch, like the item codes for Rinnosuke's Machine.

>>7857090
(for those who understood moon) it would be video game common sense to leave the place after hearing "Byakuren will come back soon".
It sort of comes unexpected that she really does return.

>>7857517
Well, at least Byakuren could be found by accident since people might just go do something else like browse /jp/ while the game is in Myouren temple. Mokou on the other hand seems to be for Konami fanatics whose policy is, "when in doubt, up up down down left right left right..."

This wouldn't happen to have gamepad support, would it?

My game keeps crashing when China is about to counter attack. Any way to fix this?

>>7858770
it has, but being turn based, you can control it any way you like

After dying a dozen times to Komachi and her insta-death/aoe BS, now I find myself struggling in the Garden of the Sun.

I checked a walkthrough in frustration and they're saying I should be using Level 32 skills, and my party is 21-26 (Alice being 21).

grindan gaems ;_;

I'm somewhat of a completionist and ewad the bestiary explanation on the wiki, Aya has a skill where she unlocks details about a monster in the bestiary if she takes a picture of it and to use the skill on a monster she has to be higher level apparently.

Does this count for enemies/touhou characters that cannot be fought again meaning some things may be missed?

Currently trying to find out about it at only Meiling as she seems to strong for scanning and there doesn't seem to be any enemies to grind before her to level Aya.

I can't for the life of me find any patches and it requires them. I don't even know if I have the right game version.

>>7860713
It's the first result when you google the Japanese name for god's sake.

http://www.gensoukyou.org/

>>7860713
this is the expansion title screen. The game which the translation is for.

I posted the page with the patches before...
http://www.gensoukyou.org/update.html
and again, "souzin206x" is what you need.

I know that I'm spoonfeeding, but I'm so damn bored

>>7860703
Bosses have their bestiary entries filled in when you defeat them. No need to scan.

The pooshlmer link should probably be posted in future OPs

http://pooshlmer.com/wakaba/res/517241.html

I just finished the Scarlet Mansion and have one silver key left from the stage. Are there any hidden chests in there? The walkthrough gives only a summary of the stage.

>>7860848
I think there is one silver chest in one of the upper left corridor rooms.
But the loot over there is not too impressive anyway, just go on if you want.

>>7860848

I finished it yesterday, and i am very sure there were 2 silver chests.

(In the next stage, there are literally TONS of chests with mostly synthing materials and some of them are rather hidden, so look well)

>>7860315
While for completion you'd need to spend a lot of time getting rare drops and blue magic, you don't need to grind much until near the final boss. Garden of the Sun's cocktrices are just random like that, and grinding's not going to help you much. It's more about strategy and luck. Finding enemy weaknesses is critical to your success (nuke them the hard way first time, then look at their bestiary entry). Also, the game has anti-grinding and you get less and less exp. And you must have read something wrong, because you're close to being overleveled. The 100% exp range is level 18-26. At level 27 you only receive 75% of the exp, and by level 32 you only receive 25%.
>>7860703
Don't worry, there are no missable entries or items. The only exception is a cheap cop-out on Kaguya. There's a trick/glitch about her. Because Kaguya is such a senile, braindead, and feeble mind, she is super susceptible to mind control, and if you try to run away, she'll run away and you won't have to fight her. But then you won't get her bestiary entry. So make sure you don't do that. Although since you can refight most bosses in the postgame, it might not matter, but better to be on the safe side in case the postgame fights don't give you the entries since you normally should have them all (all bosses automatically give you their entries).

Don't bother with rare drops you don't luckily get till later when you can just autobattle everything quickly.

The only missable in the game is a Blue Magic skill for Satori on stage 18.

What spell is that?

>>7861896
you mean the missable Satori skill?
>Unique Learning Skill: Hyper Fang Crusher (ハイパーファングクラッシュ) from Kagami with minimal level requirement of 40 and a chance of 1% (cannot get this anywhere else)
says wiki

You can't learn it during the final battle? I learned Vortex on it, got very lucky.

Physical skills for Satori aren't good any ways.

I recently got Youmu...
how did you guys use her? From what I understand Asura stance is quite powerful, but what is really useful for her? Use more than one stance during a battle?

>>7862003
Just stick to a single stance unless you have extra points. That said, points in other stance trees also give you stat bonuses. Generally you reserve stances for bosses and tough battles. Otherwise, focus on her katana tree for physical attacks so that she may attack twice and have instant-kill properties.

>>7862003
Youmu is more useful for boss fights than regular battles. Her weapons can ignore defense and she usually does more reliable damage than Sakuya.
For regular battles, equip an instant death/stop katana and hope the effect procs.
For boss fights, use a stance and buff Youmu up with Byakuren/Sanae and watch her tear through most bosses.

>>7862017
>>7862048
oh, I see then.
So far, I think magic damage dealers are quite more impressive. Those spells at max field affinity, and with the target being m-def reduced... ouch. It made Yuyuko pretty damn trivial.

I'd like to, but it's crashing even with 95 compatibility so I don't know what to do. Just happens randomly.

>>7862367
Just skip the cutscenes with D and go watch a Lets Play video or read online scripts for plot.

>>7862367
I had that same problem at first. Strangely enough I switched the compability to XP (SP3) and it's been working fine since.

what happened to the japanese wiki? I wanted to know which enemies drop Celestial Peach

>>7862592

It wasn't related to cutscenes actually. It's working now, dunno why. Last time it crashed was when I was leaving Rinnosuke's place, but I saved before that so it wasn't a big deal.

hot damn, the Komachi battle was a close one for me. I'm somewhat proud for not having to resort to guides.
But I get the impression that she is pretty much a big "FUCK YOU" to physical damage dealers. And you fight her right after getting Youmu. Strawberry Bose, you so crazy.

So, uh, where the fuck is the first(only?) gold key in the Netherworld? This place is really starting to get on my nerves with the fucking Hresvelgrs and shit.

>>7865421

Oh, that sucks. I wanted to replace Marisa with Youmu when I got her, but now I'm not sure what to do.

Man, Satori can't take a hit at all. I think I'll take her out of the bait position until she has more HP because seeing her die so much is kind of sad.

>>7865737

Don't show favoritism toward any specific set of characters. You'll need everyone leveled at some point during the game anyway, and its better to always be flexible because there are some monsters that don't do well against magic, while others don't do well against physical. Towards the end of the game though I usually had Marisa AND Youmu in my strongest party comp.

>>7866079

I see. I don't know exactly the best way to keep everyone leveled though. I've mostly been using the same characters since the start. I was planning to put in Marisa as my coach, and have a party of Reimu, Sakuya, Sanae, Youmu and Satori eventually, but I'm not sure. I'll probably change things around if I really need to.

>>7864671
>>7865737
>>7866086
Well, eventually you'll need to be making use of all your characters unless you want to constantly backtrack to heal. You can switch between characters on the fly in dungeons after all, so once someone runs out of MP or bombs you can switch them out and keep going. By the end of the game regular physical attacks just won't cut it (unless it's got slayer or killer effects, which Sakuya and Youmu's unique weapons tend to have), so you'll need to constantly be using high powered and costly skills.

>>7866059
The irony is, since she's the Blue Mage, you'll eventually want to put her in a baiting position to soak up attacks, hoping to learn new moves.

>>7866086

use this party comp/formation.

its pretty much invincible

>>7866145
It's funny that for all the trouble you go through to get cool new formations, two of the defaults are two of the best and most used.

>>7866142

Perhaps, although none of my other characters that I haven't used are strong enough to handle them. Satori needs the levels because otherwise she won't be able to handle attacks that she wants to learn, Marisa and Reimu are needed for general spell usage and in Reimu's case, I use Fantasy Heaven to save myself from extremely bad situations, Sanae as my healer and Sakuya as my main physical damage dealer. I supposed I could change coaches, but that's only one character out of many.

>>7866144

Yeah, that's what I realized and what annoys me. I need to get some great armor for her.

>>7866152

First time i beat the game, I didn't use ANY formation except freefight and Phoenix formation.

So, the walkthrough says that the key is near one of the areas like in the picture, however, I feel like I've fully explored both "areas with a barrier/switch you come to after falling down a hole".

I feel like an idiot for having so much trouble with this.

>>7866185

Yep. I'm an idiot.

>>7866175

satori is pretty useless in the beggining, simply because she doesn't have enough mana regen to make it through an entire dungeon while maintaining good damage, on that note...she doesn't even HAVE anything that does good damage.

also, if you want someone to save you from bad situations, Youmou's spellcards deal ridiculous amounts of damage when she's in human realm stance cuz of all the crits. In my opinion, she would be a much better option than reimu.

>>7866202

Right now I'm in the Netherworld, I don't have Youmu yet, although I plan to use her. Yeah, Satori isn't very good yet, that's why I'm leveling her now so that when I want to use her to learn stuff she won't get one shot by everything. She's already learned two abilities, but they're pretty crappy.

>>7866202
Early on at least I think Asura realm is even better since that's the one that very damaging hit-all attacks, whereas Human Realm focuses on hitting multiple times, which is better against singular tough enemies.

People shouldn't really bother with maining Blue Mage Satori early on, because you'd then want to put all points in Learning, which prevents you from using her actual combat trees and you don't have good blue magic. If you want to use Satori early, focus on Trauma as her Poison can be powerful, especially with The Green Eyes.

>>7866145
I don't quite get this formation.
Maybe I suck at using Alice this came out wrong, but "Speed" formation was the only good option for me in bossfights thus far

I am visibly frustrated.
I cannot beat Alice.
My magicians are getting 1shotted or 2shotted before I can even heal them.
Do I really need to grind to actually beat her?
Pic is my current party level.

>>7867938

Use Hinotori Skydance formation, put Mokou in the middle, give her a shield, put Reimu on the front, set Patchouli as field commander and bring the other character you currently got as a commander on the front. Sanae and Marisa on the back. Mokou should get most hits on her, mitigating most if not all of the damage if Pdef is good enough. Reimu can also stand quite a few hits usually, if with a decent shield which has 40-50% block rate (acc?).

>>7867938
you should be fine.
Use my chicken tactic if you absolutely can't beat her:
when she pulls out her defensive dolls, destroy them all but spare one! Alice with one defensive doll - while the fight is somewhat tedious, I found it easier than dealing with the offensive formations.

>>7867938
>using Mokou
that's your problem. She is the worst character in the game.

>>7868059
I don't see what you did there.
Her bomb abilities (though she has low bombs) have low power according to description and yet tear everything to ribbons.
She also makes a mighty fine commander
Also, she's just cool.

>>7868145
aren't they physical stat-based?
That would explain a lot.

>>7867946
Well I just used Hinotori Skydance and beat it easily.
What I dont understand is why do they target the person in the middle when I use this formation?
While for other formation, it is more or less and everything get hit. It is like front row/back row dont even matter.

>>7868180

That's just part of how the formation works, it's in the description. Middle person is bait.

So, around when does Satori start learning the awesome abilities? I've had to keep Marisa in my party because she's the only one with large range elemental spells besides Patchy, who doesn't really have any good weapons or armor to use.

>>7868540
I'm not too far yet, but I've really grown fond of Mind Blast. Hate the Mind Flayers from chireiden as much as you want, they give you this for free!

So, around when does Satori start learning the awesome abilities? I've had to keep Marisa in my party because she's the only one with large range elemental spells besides Patchy, but I don't have any good weapons or armor for her, and I don't have the materials to get any for her either.

>>7868546

I haven't gotten Mind Blast yet. I'm trying to see if I can get some Breath attacks but the extremely low learn rate is annoying. All she has so far is Destruction Beam, Shadow Boom and Energy Bolt and while they're better than nothing, they're pretty useless.

>>7868555
try to get Flame, preferably from those brittle fire monsters who frequent Stage 4 - the salamanders are who else uses this is probably rather strong.

using Nitori's Fire Chaser + Patchouli/Marisa/Satori fire spells sweeps most enemies for me.

>>7868581
>*and the other monsters who use Flame.
God, what a lazy post

>>7868581

So, a bit of backtracking would be fine then? I could go for it I guess, I just didn't want to do it before since I thought the extra experience might make the game a bit too easy. This may be a good chance to train my weaker characters though.

>>7868593
for each monster there is "Base Exp".
how much XP a character actually gets is decided by its level. If you put a LVL 1 character as commander in one of the later stages, he gets multiple levels in a few minutes.
The other way around, this discourages grinding.

>>7868059
Hmm, what makes you say that? Players on the game translation's home thread were claiming Mokou was god-tier in this game, and she has been a MVP for me throughout the game, especially towards the end when I needed huge physical damage. Gets even better once she has Fujiyama Volcano and Possessed by Phoenix, which casts re-raise on your entire party. She's also one of the best commanders for boss fights.

>>7868593
You're not even allowed to grind easier stages without getting heavy penalties in EXP. Also, levels don't matter much in the game beyond the early bits where you need MP. You could be totally overleveled and still be crushed by bosses in a few turns unless you have proper strategy. While the first two bosses were 1-2 turn jokes that may have given you the impression that it's pretty easy, every single boss starting from Alice has their own gimmick. Proper setup is far more important than a level or two.

Also, Breaths are useless unless they're status effect breaths like Petro Breath (which you'll learn to hate in stage 8). They're PHYSICAL attacks that depend on HP. On the other hand, what's wrong with destruction beam? It's very powerful for this point in the game and versatile. I used it even in the endgame. Your problem might be that this early on Satori can't afford high magic attack since she should be prioritizing learning, so you shouldn't be using her for attacking damage at all except if needed for a boss battle.

>>7868749

Well, I was talking less of normal experience and more of power experience. I'm at Muenzuka or something of the sort. My highest level character has about 31 power experience, dunno if that's too much or about right at my point in the game.

>>7868805

It does about 150 damage right now, which is okay, but Marisa is doing about 250 on multi enemy attacks, which is what I need for these dungeons. I can't really effectively replace Marisa with Youmu until Satori gets stuff like that.

>>7868842
>power experience
That varies as well. As you can see here, I get NOTHING.

>>7868849

I still get the normal amount from the enemies I want abilities from. That Flame ability sounds good from what I hear, but Satori just won't learn it.

>>7868849
no wait, maybe the after victory screen is bugged or something. I really DO get power exp even in low areas.

One might consider going on a extermination spree then.

>>7868842
It doesn't matter, the game's not going to get easy. Plus Power requirement keeps increasing. Plus, the game expected you to farm a lot in the first place. It only gives you about 3-5 of the 20 materials you need to make new weapons and armors at each tier and expects you to farm for the rest. Never mind all the rare drops with 0.1-0.5 drop rates.. If anything, if you're not backtracking a ton you're probably below the power the developers expected you to have, because this game is tough and require very specific growth setups for different situations. And Satori in particular requires a ton of Power because she should have 25 points in Learning before she does anything else, assuming you want to use her as a Blue Mage for random encounters.

>>7868861

Hm, so I'm underleveled? Didn't expect that. Well, my team doesn't exactly have the best equipment, only Marisa is up to date with her weaponry, with only Sakuya up to date on armor. Satori doesn't even have 25 power experience and she's been in my party since I got her.

>>7868854
Your power does increase, the bar just go up but don't display a "+number" like exp. The exp gets scaled, power does not. Even in the endgame, the fastest way to farm power is to plow through the first few stages. Though if you're farming for items and Satori skills it should come naturally anyways.

>>7868865
A word of warning: Even if you farm a lot of the tier synthesis material like Celestial Peach or Sunflower Seed, which aren't that hard to get since they have like 7-10% drop rate, don't upgrade weapons for everyone, because the actual character-specific materials are very rare and only drop at 0.1% this early on. They become easier to get in the post-game, so for now only make unique weapons when needed. One about every 3 tiers for those that you plan to use is a good idea. Or just use all those regular weapons you keep getting.

>>7868869

That's what I've been doing mostly. I have enough materials to get Youmu a weapon upgrade so I'm going to do that. Marisa and Reimu already got theirs, Sanae has been using spears since I find them so often, Sakuya should be fine with her claymore since I pumped a lot of points into her two hand sword skill, and Satori seems fine with her current weapon. I'll probably make a new weapon for Youmu since her current one isn't that great.

For people just playing and not spoiled by walkthrough, who do you think is the culprit? Reimu rampaging as usual

>>7868940
Yasu did it

Oh wow, I got a DirectX error. I can't remember the last time I got a DirectX error. Fucking 7...
What do I do for these again?

Oh wow, a DirectX error. I can't remember the last time I got a DirectX error. Fucking 7, what did you do now...
...what am I supposed to do for these again?

so which 2hus are playable in this? also can I install this from the .iso I downloaded a while ago and then download the patches, or do I have to download everything again?

I have a question about learning Blue Magic for Satori.

Is it still possible to learn skills while defending in a fight? Maybe I'm having bad luck or something, but going through the lower dungeons and spamming defend every fight hasn't gotten me too much yet.

Fucking Demon Shock.

>>7870101
Yeah, it is. It helps to put all of your power points into the learning skill tree, if only temporarily, and use that "super-baiting" formation with Satori in the middle.

>>7870106

Yeah, I'm doing both right now. I have a two-person formation with her and Youmu (just to get Youmu some extra exp/power).

I've found that it's a bit easier to grind this if you run away from battles after getting hit with a skill and not learning it, but it's still incredibly tedious.

I'm only up to the Magic Forest skillwise, too. So I have a long, long way to go.

>>7870111

You're actually going to go through all of it? I already lost my patience with grinding for Satori's Blue Magic so I'm just going to keep pushing forward and hope she learns some good stuff.

>>7869526
seconding this

>>7870175

I'm an autistic and completionist faggot. Well, it's more like I'd rather have some decent elemental and crowd control skills to start myself off.

Most of the stuff I want is in the Palace of Earth Spirits (maybe the Netherworld too), and after that I can just use my regular party normally again.

>>7870198

I want her good abilities too but I'm too much of an impatient jerk. I haven't been grinding at all in this game. It's even worse that I want to use Satori in my main party. I wish those learning rates weren't so low.

>>7870198
>>7870206
I recommend not bothering with Satori until she's finished Learning tree and has enough points in others so that she can fight, grab a few generic good skills (the basic multi-target skills) and just keep her in your party through the game. You'll probably learn a bunch of skills along the way, and you can just treat them like bonuses and feel lucky, instead of intentionally grinding for them which is very tedious. Save completion stuff for endgame/postgame when you can plow through most stages on autobattle and survivability is not an issue.

The only missable skill in the game is this one

>>7870239

This is her skill tree at the moment, though I could probably take the point out of INT and level something up to 5.

I also have her with some basic elemental skills from SDM, Blood Drain, Fire Breath from the Palace of Earth Spirits, and some status skills.

I appreciate the advice so I'm probably just going to move on and get Mind Blast then go back to Muenzka, then go back to progressing through the game.

lolstaves

>>7870239

I'll probably keep her in anyways. She hasn't been terribly useful, but I've been winning with her in my party even if she lacks damage so far. I'll just see how she does against Komachi.

can someone please tell me if I can install from 東方蒼神縁起.ISO and then patch to current version, or do I have to redownload everything?

>>7870299
You need the C79 ISO.

How do I beat Satori? Bitch keeps healing.

>>7870543
I honestly just kept trying. I still have no idea what triggers the full heal, but I ended up getting lucky and she only used it once.

>>7870543
Cast Reflect on her.

Then kill Leviathan

>>7870560
I don't have anyone with reflect, I think. Should I grind until someone learns it?

>>7870543
Sakuya's Colosseo World prevents healing.

>>7870582
Oh yeah. I remember that now...

>>7870543

I have no idea. I just kept hitting her, she only used her heal once. Although it was at a really annoying point when she was almost dead.

how do I save?
where do I put this satori.xls file?
can you redistribute power freely or is it locked in when you do something?
can you get byakuren right away? you just have to wait at the temple right?

>>7870609
The satori file is just a list of some skill she can learn.
Wait at temple to get Byakuren .
In the game directory the souzin_manual folder, run the html file to read the game manual.

>>7870643
so the .xls file isn't part of the translation or anything? also I'm looking through the manual and the wiki and still don't see any mention of how to save, other than the autosave function. are there save points or is there some menu option I'm not seeing?

>>7870668
The auto save is the only way to save. Considering it happens every time you open the menu, why would you need any other way?
Also make sure to get the latest version of the patch at the end of the pool thread.

is there a way to view character's last word and support spells? also what does the pre-defend status from certain formations do?

>>7870942
Not in the menu. They are described in the manual.

Pre-defend means the character auto-defends before she acts. Post-defend means she defends after she acts.

>>7870942
Support spells can also be seen when you are assigning them to the commander position. You can always press (X I think) or whatever in battle to view descriptions.

after going through scarlet devil mansion with the starting party my characters are level 7. I replace aya with sakuya and sanae with nitori and do the stage again to get their levels up, but they're only at 3 by the time I've killed everything. were the boss fights worth 4 levels?

Ahem.


FUCK THE PALACE OF THE EARTH SPIRITS.

>>7871589
I know.
I have never been this visibly frustrated playing a game.

Few tips here.
Run away from mind flayerS.
Upgrade reimu skills so that she get status immune buff. Use Aya to let her move first.

Well I just beat fucking Orin and Utsuho with my party that was under level 10. Nearly everything they did onehit somebody unless it was Alice who was tanking. Then there was Utsuho's goddamn megaflare.

When I finally beat them after trying a whole bunch of parties and formations it was with Alice, Marisa, Hijiri, Patchouli, and Reimu in Hinotori skydance formation with Sanae as commander, Marisa and Hijiri were upfront, and Reimu and Patchouli in the back.

I started off with Reimu's last spell and Hijiri's starfire on Utsuho, Marisa casted mad blizzard and I just had Patchouli defend. Alice buffed her defense.

Second turn I had Reimu last spell again since I got spirit sign -1 cooldown and Patchouli to use royal flare, I then had Alice hourai doll. Marisa could only cold inferno. I had Hijiri KO herself with starfire.

Orin prioritizes reviving your party members over Utsuho and well anything. On the turn Orin revives Hijiri, KO another member of your party so that it ends up as Hijiri zombiefied and another party member dead. On your next turn knock out Hijiri. You can cause a constant loop by repeatedly killing Hijiri and another one of the remaining party members as Orin keeps zombiefying them while whittling her HP down.

Alice was at 7, Hijiri at 8, and the rest at 9

I'm not sure if this is underleveled or not.

>>7871589
at least it has a really cool BGM

is this a good party to go to the satori level with? I have sanae as my commander, but I had to switch her with nitori to fight alice.

i finally encountered a yukkuri reimu today, but i couldn't bring myself to kill it. being a rare monster what did i miss by not killing it?

I've been spoiled before how to break this battle, but...

pretty much the same layout (except for Nitori who is just an extra here) helped me curbstomp Yuka/Meddy, just like Yuyuko/Youmu and Komachi before.
I think this tactic is somewhat broken.

>>7871980
you should be fine.
chireiden is quite simple, but if:
- there are 2 or more Mindflayers among the enemies
and
- you don't have Reimu barrier or some nuke ready

then I suggest you run, engage again and see if the enemy group is more favorable for your anii.

>>7872045
how do barriers work? I've been pretty much ignoring them in favor of damage moves. I don't understand how nitori's chasers work either. can I just use her gun attacks instead?

>>7872058
>reimu barrier
what is generally meant is the special skill Reimu gets when she invests some points (I think 10) in the Barriers tree, top left. A skill will be replaced with the superior version which prevents all permament status changes in the round of usage! Poison, Petrify Instant Death etc.

>chaser
chasers are activated with high priority, and if your party members (don't know about the enemy) use spells with the specific element (Fire chaser for Summer flare etc.) Nitori will follow up immediately with an elemental attack of her own.

>>7872036
scratch that, i encountered one again. it gives about 1k exp

Captcha: ourseme IV

>>7872069
*top right

>>7872069
so basically it's worthless with only raymoo and marisa as magic users?

>>7872091
Reimu doesn't even qualify because there's no Light chaser. Elemental in the game usually refers to the classical 4. Nitori also later gets chaser skills for every physical attack type.

However in her 50s Nitori gets an "everything chaser"

Also, for people dying left and right, you should really get used to strategically running. There are some parties you should try to run from if you don't know you can handle it. Try to avoid some enemies when you first go through the dungeon and reach a heal point, then you can feel free to exit to save whatever items you got. There's no penalty for death if you don't have any items from the dungeon.

so how do I keep okuu from killing everyone with megaflare?

Man, those guys were completely lying when they said Satori would be good as a commander against Komachi. She didn't do anything helpful when I tried her there anyways. Oh well, I'll power through Komachi soon.

>>7872200
nevermind, I managed to kill her before she could use it by respeccing raymoo for spellcards and spamming fantasy heaven. I get the feeling that you were supposed to do something else though.

>>7872214

Whatever wins it for you works, don't worry about it. Although I'm getting a bit worried about my methods as well, I feel as if I'm relying a bit too much on Mokou as my commander.

Is there a way to completly reset a stage excluding bosses ? It's pretty annoying to run out of a stage and back in only to encounter 3-4 respawns.

>>7872200
Rape her with magic up from sanae, patchouli element field and marisa water. Fully level Marisa elemental tree and Sanae buff tree.

Exactly the same tactic that I just used to beat Youmu and Yuyuko. This game require too much luck.

>>7872230
well everyone has been saying the boss fights require strategy, but so far I've been getting by with brute force.

I'm kind of disappointed with nitori and alice too but I don't know who to replace them with.

>>7872269

I've been using brute force as well, well brute force and Mokou that is. Anyways, I usually use Reimu, Marisa, Sanae, Sakuya and Youmu in my party. Mokou wouldn't be a bad option, although I've been using her as my commander against bosses. I feel like I've been using her as a crutch, although I may need it since I haven't been grinding at all.

>>7872249
They gradually respawn every time you leave a dungeon. On the plus side it means you can die/leave the dungeon several times while dungeon crawling and you won't lose you enemy-killed progress, so you actually have an incentive to kill enemies rather than just running strait for the boss save point.

You're expected to alternate between different dungeons to gather material, but if you really want to grind a specific dungeon, just exit and enter a lot.

>>7872259
If you're using Alice, going with the default Freestyle formation is highly recommended and will let you curbstomp some of the earlier bosses to the point where it feels broken. Komachi almost couldn't hurt me at all. Also every boss has their own gimmicks, and since there's no penalty for dying the bosses mostly expect either trial-and-error or walkthrough reading. On the plus side that means strategy is far more important than level grinding. Just wait till you get to the Moriya shrine gods...

lol it's true

I wish Iron wasn't so rare, considering I need a ridiculous amount of it for my weapons. Oh well.

Why does my game keeps randombly closing when someone attacks?

What did i fuck up?

I just got caught with my pants down. I actually found a Border Amulet somehow, but I then got into a seven enemy fight without Fantasy Heaven ready and got destroyed without even being given a chance to run. How very cruel.

>>7872940
THE 4 fairies + 1 mantis + 2 cocks fight? The funny thing is, you'll be scouting for that fight later in the game since you learn one of Satori's good skills from it (it's a guaranteed learn to boot). I accidentally learned the 1% Petro Breath twice during turns that I was running away looking for that specific fight.

>>7873031
>4 fairies + 2 cocks
that came out very wrong

>>7873031

I'd have fought them if I had Fantasy Heaven up, but good lord I am not fighting them with no MP and a Border Amulet in my bag. That thing would have been pretty useful, but now it's gone...I'm pretty upset. Worst part about it is that I was trying to escape, but the only way out was a long way.

>>7873050
Is Fantasy Heaven useful against them? I haven't used it ever since Okuu since I usually don't use Last Spells. You can't learn Leaf Shield yet anyways and you need to charm the correct fairy.

>>7873116

It's useful against the cockatrices at least, 1300 damage to each of them at my point in the game. They're the only ones that give me trouble with their stupid Petro Breath. Also, I was kind of hoping Satori would learn Earthquake, but no luck. Is it a 1% chance or something?

>>7873122
15% with maxed Learning

>>7873206

Well that's much better than I thought, but she still didn't learn it. Then again, she's only had it used on her five times with the Learning skill tree maxed out, maybe I'll try to get it on her after I beat Yuuka.

>>7872286
so with alice is it best to use a formation with one column for her first doll skill? I'd been using the hakurei formation since it has good stats and I don't really understand how her doll shit works.

>>7872940
how does the save system even work? I thought it saved after every fight, but one time I died and lost all my items and when I tried to reload it still said they were gone.

uh, Does this place have some kind of hidden purpose? It appears to be some kind of secret area, but there doesn't seem to be anything to do here.

>>7873569
isn't it marisa's house?

>>7873567
It does save, it saved when you died. If you close the game while in a dungeon room that doesn't have a save point, it's the same thing as if you died (but without the death count bonus) and you get booted out and lose all yellow items, so leave dungeon often if you get something rare. You absolutely keep all your exp and pow gains though and don't lose any of your regular inventory.

>>7873569
Isn't that just Alice's house where you fought her?

>>7873625
so you can't actually save in the middle of a dungeon without losing all your shit?

>>7873647

You can hit a restore point and quit out after that. Those also serve as save points I believe.

>>7873647
Of course not, that would make the game too easy! It's already pretty light compared to roguelikes where you lose your entire inventory (even legendary weapons), all your levels or even your save file if you die! Heck, it's even more lenient than Final Fantasy where you'd be sent back to the Start Screen! Fighto, warrior!

Actually you can. See the Miscellaneous section of the wiki for more details on cheating the system if you want to, but be careful lest you delete/overwrite your save file by accident

Oh crap, Eientei is a party split area. Damn, now I know why they told me to train up, now I gotta split my strong warriors with my weak ones to stand a chance. Now I know why I was told to train everyone.

Oh crap, Eientei is a party split area. Damn, now I know why they told me to train up, now I gotta split my strong warriors with my weak ones to stand a chance. Guess I'll get Byakuren now, didn't get her earlier.

should I use all of my iron and bamboo to craft paralysis guards so these mind flayers won't rape me? or am I better off using it to make better weapons?

>>7873679

I'd suggest against it. Iron and bamboo are incredibly difficult to find, and you'll need as much as you can get just so you can stay up to date on weaponry with even one character. Not only that, but paralysis hasn't been a problem for me after the Mind Flayers.

>>7873686
how do I deal with them then? I equipped one protection item I got from a chest, but I don't think raymoo can kill everything by herself. should I try to bomb through every group I see with them?

>>7873704

Fantasy Heaven is worthless on them anyways, so you can either choose to run away or hit them as hard as you can with everyone else. One or two Mind Flayers never gave me trouble, three could be dangerous though.

>>7873704

I actually just started fighting the mind flayers and I don't even remember them being this mean. What I'm going to start trying though is opening up with Sanae's party-wide RES Buff and see how that helps. Most likely though she'll have to be specced into her buff tree in order to cast it faster than the mind flayers can cast their paralyze.

>>7873712

Also, I forgot to mention that Alice's Marionette Parrar can also add RES equal to the RES value of her shield when she uses it on people. That should also significantly reduce your chances of getting paralyzed or insta-death'd.

>>7873704
>>7873679
While bamboos and the most of the rest of the common items aren't that bad and I have about 20 of each sitting in my inventory by the end (but haven't crafted much), the game decided to be very evil with Iron, so don't spend too much. If you want this baby at the game's end, you may want to be extremely niggardly with iron.

>>7873686
"Kill"? The correct word is "run". I'm one the final stage and have 2000+ runs listed in my appendix. Granted, most of those are from hunting for specific battles, namely metal slim-er, yukkuris.

In fact, as mentioned before, you should try to avoid difficult enemies even if you can narrowly win until you reach the save/heal point at the end of the dungeon.

If you do want to spend bombs and mp to fight Mindflayers however, they're pretty easy to beat if you use Reimu's barrier and target their weakness, or just use strong physical non-elemental skills.

>>7873744

I don't really plan to use it, since everyone on my team is using their custom weapons. But yeah, Iron is a huge pain to come across, I really need more if I want to keep up.

Just a side note, but Mind Flayers are weak to pierce type weapons and neutral to Electric type spells, so equip a spear/gun. If you craft the Carbine, Nitori's 3rd tier weapon, future mind flayers will die rather easily.

>>7873569
Check back Post-expansion. Actually. Check every dungeon post-expansion, you might find something interesting!

>>7873744
what does exorcism do?

>>7873778
how do I get more crafting recipes? I have 3 for mokou and byakuren but only 1 for the other characters. how often should you try to make new weapons? I haven't crafted anything so far.

>>7873864

I generally craft weapons whenever I can afford to, but I alternate between characters I craft weapons for. If they haven't gotten any weapons for a while, I make one for them. If you want more recipes, then go see Akyu, she'll give you some. When it comes to crafting weapons, I only craft unique weapons though like Sakuya's two handed swords or Youmu's katanas. However, that's just what I do. The only character in my party without her unique weapon is Sanae, she's been using Lances since they're extremely common in this game

>>7873864
You get more recipes as you clear more stages. Check back at Akyuu when you clear a new stage; you might get some new recipes.

As for how often you should craft weapons, it depends really. For example, Marisa's weapons aren't very useful and she's better off using elemental spells and a wand (not many enemies are weak to mystic element). While Sakuya's weapons carry a slayer effect, which is pretty much a special critical hit against certain races, and is worth crafting. Weapons with slayer effects against Warriors, Magicians, Transcendents, Dragons, etc are useful because of the frequency these enemies appear or how difficult it is to kill them. Crafting armor/shields/accessories might be useful for certain situations/more bombs, but you'll generally find better equipment via drops or treasure chests.

>>7873906
Actually, Marisa's brooms have the best MP regen which is important early on. With enough broom skill tree she recovers 6 MP each turn. In general physical weapons are more important than magic weapons, though maybe you're using Patchouli as Machouli wwww

goddamn this game is making me buttmad. I almost killed satori but then she petro breathed all of my characters before I could finish her off with master spark.

>>7874209
Not running away from mind flayers.
Hahahahaha.

Satori is easy, just get Sakuya to disable her heal and rape her with Patch/Marisa elemental weakness.

>>7874209
>Not using Sanae

Found your problem.

>>7874219
This.
Sanae has been sucking strawberry bose devs cock. She pretty OP especially in boss fight. Having her buff the whole party make the boss fight so easy.

>>7874233

The only thing that sucks is that she can't get back her mana that easily and her buffs costs a ton early game. Still have to play with her fairly conservatively.

>>7874217
I thought that even though there were 4 of them I could kill them all with sakuya's time stop, but they killed her before she could use it.

>>7874219
>>7874233
but sanae is a boring slut. I have her as my commander so she still gets exp in case I need to use her.

Heh... Didn't notice this on my first playthrough.

>>7874316
Hey, Rider is spoiler!

New Game.pak, fixes some late game crashes and other errors.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/nhvor04fuzc43id/Game.pak

my update to 2.06 keeps freezing at 77%! Any idea what is wrong?

>>7874453
Are you using the original game and img.pak? The updater wont detect the translated versions.

yes. I reinstalled it to make sure and it still freezes

Ah, forgive me! I guess I didn't reinstall it properly. I deleted the folder and reinstalled it and it worked! THANKS!

fuck dying with 20+ items, man does that ever kill your will to play this game.

So I am up to the Sunflower stage and I am trying build Satori as a backup mage.

>Star Blaze (スターブレイズ)
>Shadow Boom (シャドウブーム)
>Energy Bolt (エナジーボルト)
>Flame (火炎)
>Chill (冷気)
>Lightning (稲妻)
>Earthquake (地震)
>Star Shining (スターシャイニング)
>Shadow Burst (シャドウバースト)
>Energy Bomb (エナジーボム)
Any idea where I can get all these spells or can I only get them at the later stage?

>>7874717
star blaze from the angels in upper Hakugyakurou I think.
I got it from that 40k like big angel in Stage 7 though. Was a lucky find.

>>7874717
I got flame from those salamanders in the Palace of Earth Spirits I think.

holy fuck how do I beat yuyuko? youmu is easy enough to deal with but yuyuko dodges every attack and spams instant death twice a round.

>>7874809
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDCqPob7LZM
this method also fucks up the following bosses.

>>7874809
You need Sanae RES buff and ACC buff. Or you can try to debuff her using Byakuren.
You can use one of the commander skill to reduce her evasion as well, I think it is Nitori.

>>7874813
I haven't been using either patchu or byakuren and I don't feel like grinding

>>7874814
does nitori's commander skill only last for one turn?

fuck it I give up. I can kill both of them easilly now but resurrection butterfly wipes me out every time.

>>7874850
once again: if a character is level one, take them in commander position and go fight a couple strong monsters. the levels will come like a flood.

I think it is favorable to train ALL of your characters, like !!WMmFy7x/tgp said

>>7874914
well I already had to grind sakuya, nitori, and alice up and it was pretty tedious. I don't really want to do it again if I can avoid it. anyway I can kill yuyuko now, I just don't know how to avoid this fucking ressurection butterfly horseshit. is there some kind of trick? it's killing me even with the anti-death accessory.

>>7874929
>some kind of trick?
>>7872069

I have 4 celestial peaches but not much of the other materials. should I try to craft a weapon or am I better off saving for the next tier of shit? I'm thinking about making a gun for nitori so her shooting moves won't do such shit damage.

>>7874929
Well, the game's less about level grinding and more about having the proper strategy. Levels may matter to you now when your hp and mp are low but later on a few levels barely makes a difference. Most bosses have their own tricks and you have the tools you need to deal with it, and it's up to you to look through your list of skills and think about what might counter different strategies. Your characters also sometimes give hints when you die. In this case you have a bunch of options. Reimu Barrier, Mokou's commander skill, killing by status effect like poison, Sakuya's Time Stop, and Alice covering another character, or stick with piling on RES buffs one one character, especially Sakuya who has death resistance in one tree.

You don't have to train everyone evenly at once. Once someone falls behind, the game will scale exp gains for them. That said, it's easier to dungeon-crawl if you can switch team members. While good items require grinding, level grinding isn't necessary till the end, and even then it's relatively easy due to all the metal slimes.

>>7875254
the Mokou commander spell didn't work for me. I recommend Reimu barrier instead

>>7875254
>You don't have to train everyone evenly at once.
you don't understand me at all. I'm stressing out trying to decide if I should replace sakuya with youmu because then my characters won't have the exact same exp totals.

>>7875266
I managed to beat it that way. it was pretty close though since 2/3 of sakuya's attacks missed even though I swear I had used nitori's connander spell.

>>7875286
Speaking of Nitori...

Sakuya's best trick is her Private Square but you don't have enough MP and points yet. Her greatest strength for now actually comes from her Slayer swords. Youmu is very powerful but need to waste the first turn to move into a stance. Both are great yukkurikillers.

>>7875306
is it possible to replace alice with youmu if I change formations? or if I want to use her instead of sakuya how do they compare when it comes to fighting normal enemies? I like sakuya's spells but I don't understand why the devs gave her a big sword instead of her knives.

It all depends on the enemies. I rarely used Alice for random encounters even on stages the wiki says "you practically need Alice to survive big enemy parties reliably". Anything can work so feel free to experiment around. It depends on how much Slayer Sakuya has on the current stage enemies.

Because knives are already standard weapons and they probably designed them first, and maids go well with zweihanders as Arcana Heart showed.

>>7875355

Leveling up other characters is just so tedious right now. Am I still going to be fine with a party like Mokou, Satori, Reimu, Aya (Going to be replaced with Youmu) and Sanae?

>>7875968
Whatever works for you. Bosses usually require strategy and not levels anyways.

for everyone refusing to train their party equally,
>>7873674
this is what will cause you a problem in the future.

>>7876054

I haven't actually done anything there yet. I'm currently pondering how to split my party up. The only real problems are my level 1 Byakuren, my level 7 Aya and my level 7 Alice. I made Byakuren a commander to help a bit, but I guess I'll see how things turn out.

>>7876064
I started with a "Team Reimu" and "Team Marisa"
Reimu heals a party of Aya, Sakuya, Alice and Byakuren (with Sanae in the back)
Marisa blasts the shit out of everything with Patche, Nitori, Satori and a defending Mokou - Youmu being there just in case that I need to reduce enemy resistance.
If team Marisa is the second team made, she will go outside at the beginning: lots of enemies weak to fire in the forest.
Chaser Time!!

>>7876071

I see. I split it into Marisa and Reimu teams as well, but with some differences. Reimu is placed with characters I didn't train like Aya and Patchouli so she can win battles with Fantasy Heaven when needed. Sanae heals, Mokou just beats stuff up with Nitori as the commander. The other team, I have Marisa, Sakuya, Youmu and Satori helping out Alice, who's underleveled. Byakuren is the commander since she can't take any hits. Marisa team is doing very well, even though Satori really lacks good spells, but the Reimu team is suffering.

I still can't get the damn thing to run.

So I am up to the 2nd part of Sunflower garden.
Is it just me or is the melee characters underwhelming?
I have yet to craft any items and I am just counting on the sword/knife/axe found on the dungeon and even my best melee attacker youmu only do 100-200damage on most enemies.
The damage are so pathetic when I can 2shot most scrubs with my combination of marisa/patch/byakuren/reimu/nitori chaser.

Is there a way to play melee character right or they are just too item dependent and I need to get them weapon with slayer properties?

>>7876108

They're mostly good for their slayer effects and bosses. With slayer effects Sakuya usually did 1400-2000 damage to an enemy in that garden, even without it she did a fairly respectable 300 or so damage, sometimes 600. They also don't rely too much on MP or bombs in normal battles to do damage so you don't have to worry about going back and forth as much. But yeah, they excel against bosses. Youmu and Sakuya were doing much more consistent damage than Marisa or Reimu in the battles I've had them in, Youmu was more of a set up heavy hitter while Sakuya was more of a self sustainable powerhouse.

>>7876094
Alice's level really doesn't matter at all, unless she's so under-leveled that she can't afford to spam a 2 MP cost skill. Otherwise, she pretty much exists to spam her basic Marrionette Parrar skill or upgrades every turn through the entire game, and won't be able to do too much damage even if overleveled, since she's this games' Defender/Hoplite. Although at around level 33 you get her "signature move" Straw Doll Kamikaze which lets her nuke enemy teams for huge damage, especially if you put all points into her Self-Destruct tree.

>>7876108
In generally magic is better against regular mobs, but good physical fighters with proper weapons and buffs are later often better against elite mooks like those pesky Angel/Demon pairs you keep running into, who have Divine Barrier that make you deal low damage to them in addition to being resistant to most elements. Why are they always working together so well...?

Status effects can also be important. For example, Mokou's 3rd tier gloves silenced enemies. While in lots of RPGs silence is a worthless status, here it's a lifesave since Mokou is fast and often silences enemy spellcasters, completely neutralizing some of the biggest threats, including Mind Flayers and sometimes even Angel/Demons. Sakuya reportedly used to be completely broken but got nerfed by the expansion to the point where people where claiming now she sucked, even though she's still pretty good with all her slayer effects.

>>7876095
Did you download the prepatched version on Pooshlmer?

>>7876284

I didn't play her before the expansion, so I can't say, but she still seems solid. I really like Soul Scripture, I don't have to rely on Sanae's party heal being off cooldown in order to heal her, plus it does pretty nice damage.

>>7876284
Yeah. See >>7869526

>>7876284
>Sakuya sucks
I don't know, I think she's still pretty good. Spoilered just in case.

is there a way to look up how many times you've died? I have enough party defeats to get the Komachi formation at least

>>7877009
Check the Records, under "Battle Annihilations".

Someone mentioned earlier that they fixed their crash problems when they switched from Win95 compatibility to WinXP SP3 compatibility. I tried the same and it seems to be working for the most part. However I recently got to Satori, and my game keeps freezing in the middle of her dialogue right after she refuses to work with you. The game doesn't actually "freeze" though, because the music is still playing. It just doesn't continue to the next speech bubble and I'm stuck and can't do anything. Anyone else have this problem?

How do I get Youmu to do good damage outside of using her stances for normal battles? Sakuya's doing double her damage with normal attacks.

Satori's sprite is really cute
thanks for reading

>>7876851
Satori is still better.

Does anyone happen to know if Sakuya's "illusion doll" talent works with the Sword Tree's "Double Attack" talent? Does it increase the chance that she'll attack twice with a sword? And does it do nothing at all if she's not using a weapon that enables double attack for her?

am I going to be screwed if I drop sanae? I've been keeping her as my commander so she still gets exp and switching her in for boss battles, but I really want to use someone else if possible.

>>7878183

What do you mean by drop?

>>7878170
the sword double and triple attacks always hit as many times as they say they do

>>7878208
well so far I've been using reimu marisa sakuya alice nitori sanae, switching nitori with sanae for bosses. I want to use youmu too, but instead of replacing sakuya with her I'm thinking about putting her in alice's place and moving alice to the commander spot instead of sanae. I'm worried that boss fights might be too hard without her support abilities though.

>>7878170
i dont use illusion doll frequently its a spell card right?
but normal skills have a chance to double. ive seen the following skills double strike.

blade murder
another murder
ultimate division

Fuck I am stucked at eientei.
One of my party reach the button already but my second party is stuck at the corridor with no where else to go.
What did I miss?

>>7878754
hidden paths

>>7878754
The japanese wiki has maps for stages up to 17

>>7878880
Link please?
The wiki that I used only have mobs description by stage.

The game will crash whenever I select "Growth" in the menu.
Just what am I doing horribly wrong?

>>7878222
Youmu can generally tank scrubs. Just give her some hp boost and def rings.

By the way how does marionette parrar works?
I just tried using the speed formation spamming marionette parrar but my other members still get hit.
I went back to hinonori formation and just spam provoke instead which is more effective.

>>7880925
I think parrar gives the affected people the same shield attributes like Alice has. And because her shield is always the best... it's pretty amazing against area effect stuff.

Quick question.. In Nitori's research tree, she has elemental damage up and elemental strength up skills, what's the difference? Wouldn't they both boost damage?

>>7881746
I'm not sure, but it might have to do with the two stats used to calculate damage. Each move has an Attack stat and a Magnification stat. The attack stat is factored in with the enemy defense, and the result number is then magnified. So if a move has a huge magnification but low attack it'll still do little to no damage to a heavy defense enemy. That's why some moves say they're good against "low defense enemies"

>>7882262
Oh I see..
Thank you

FUCK I ran into a yukkuri but it ran away before I could kill it. is there a special strategy you need to kill them?