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Say that again when the world explodes and you will have to float through space and die over and over again until you reach a planet where you can live on.
This might take a few million years.Youkais have a long lifespan but a few thousand years are nothing compared to eternity

>>7801224

>Youkai already have no aging and infinite lifespan

As youkai age they sleep longer and longer, presumably entering an eternal slumber at some point and becoming one with nature.

Meanwhile, youkai are not humans, they think and behave differently. A Hourai being is human through and through, with all the vices and flaws, and gain no extra powers other than the immortality.

Because they aren't changed as a person like an ascended Celestial or a devoted Sennin, you get someone like Mokou: after a few centuries, they go insane. They'll go sane again later, but they'll probably go insane again after that. It's the flaw born of a mortal being immortal.

>>7801230

There's nothing wrong with the Hourai Elixir itself.
Just it's origins.
Eirin's urine.

>>7801230

>This might take a few million years

You're traveling at subluminal speeds through a void that is EXPANDING, and are far more likely to hit a star before you ever hit any planet at all, much less one that is habitable.

Try trillions.

>Meanwhile, youkai are not humans, they think and behave differently.
That's not true, human can become youkai too. Alice was once a human who became a youkai, and she seems fairly well adjusted.

You are so crazy OP

>>7801253
>fairly well adjusted.
>creates and collects creepy dolls and secludes herself

Go ask a really old person if he wants to live his last 5 years a hundred times. He will most certainly answer "No".

>>7801260
That's not the same though, aging comes with a lot of bad points. Neither youkai nor hourai being suffer the effect of aging and live out their infinite lifespan as little girls in frilly dresses.

>>7801238
I don't understand the problem with that origin.

>>7801267
Yeah, but all their friends and relatives die. And, even if they get new ones, they will eventually die too. It's one thing to mourn your beloved ones, it's another to mourn them over and over and over.

>>7801256
...sounds almost like an average /jp/er.

>>7801285
I think I'd stop caring after the first few sets

>>7801285
That's actually a very good point and it's the meat of the story behind the doujin in the OP pic. That said there's plenty of individuals in Gensokyo with infinite life span who could be friends with you for all time.

On top of this, if Horo from wolf and spice is anything to go by after going through a few partings with mortals an immortal being becomes use to it. Horo remembers all her previous friends/lovers as fond memories and most of the time she's not depressed about it.

>>7801285
...sounds almost like an average /jp/er.

>>7801288
And everyone knows that
>/jp/
and
>well-adjusted
does not compute.

>>7801294
Exactly. If you stop having people to bond with, you avoid losing them in the first place, but without them, what's the point of living an extended life?

>>7801344
You don't need bonds with other people to enjoy life. If you're well adjusted enough on your own, it would be fine until the earth blows up.

Mortals weren't meant to live so long. The longer they live, the more they learn.

Knowledge damages our sanity. The more we learn, the more twisted the logic seems to others, the illogical becomes logical and all we know breaks down into nothingness. Everyone becomes meaningless, dooming one to nihilism.

I think we all agreed a long time ago that Alice is one of us.

If I ever end up in Gensokyo I'll befriend Alice and we'll trade tips. I'll teach her about plastic model kits and kitbashing and she can teach me how to animate them.

Come next danmaku fight we will unleash our army of mecha musume Shanghai upon the unsuspecting.

>>7801294
If you can watch your friends die and not feel a thing you're truly hollow inside.

A true Hourai person, really.

I don't see anything bad about the Elixir besides not being able to die when earth shattering catastrophes occur. If you drank it, you'd be able to basically live like Mokou does, which doesn't sound all that bad to me.

Eternal life something really terrible in buddhism.

Also no, there are not immortal beings other than the ones that drank the Hourai Elixir. Gods, fairies, youkai and celestials are all able to die.

Something just seems off about the Hourai Elixir.
CiLR and SSiB tell that Lunarians can live forever, unless they are exposed to impurity. Considering that the moon is pure, why would Kaguya request the Hourai Elixir and get exiled in the first place?

Regarding the topic of immortality, if something like this was ever offered to me I'd refuse it. There are plenty of things I want to do/try in my lifetime, so a few extra years would help. But the fact that I would see anybody I ever love grow old and die would suck. Not to mention I really don't think I'd want to live in this world forever.

>>7801584
Why would Eirin, who made it, also not drink from it? The entire situation is a bit odd.

>>7801646
There are even weirder things. Kaguya left behind a jar with the Hourai Elixir saying that it was for someone important to her.

The Hourai Elixir that Mokou drank was ordered to be thrown into a volcano. Princess Sakuya tried to stop them. She had the power to calm volcanoes and made it impossible to ignite the elixir.

Now compare that to Mokous abilities. Ability to manipulate fire and a fire resistance.

What if the Hourai Elixir gives you special abilities depending on what happens to it? Kaguya has the power to manipulate eternity. She drank it on the pure moon where things don't age.

I'm sure there is a lot more to this.

>>7801584
>Considering that the moon is pure, why would Kaguya request the Hourai Elixir and get exiled in the first place?
Let's be real honest here. It's because she was bored and it sounded fun.

>>7801717
That would be somewhat convincing if everyone in Gensokyo didn't have some power or another.

>>7801717
That's interesting. Eirin should know more on how it works, yet she doesn't want to drink it. If what you say has merit, she could wait until something specific effects the Elixir, giving her the power she would want.

>>7801717
Wasn't it officially stated somewhere that Mokou gained that power by learning magic as a normal human?

There's no time for us
There's no place for us
What is this thing that builds our dreams yet slips away
from us

Who wants to live forever
Who wants to live forever....?

There's no chance for us
It's all decided for us
This world has only one sweet moment set aside for us

Who wants to live forever
Who wants to live forever?

Who dares to love forever?
When love must die

But touch my tears with your lips
Touch my world with your fingertips
And we can have forever
And we can love forever
Forever is our today
Who wants to live forever
Who wants to live forever?
Forever is our today

Who waits forever anyway?

I was really irritated with the end of Bicentennial man. It's just so backwards, so stupid a decision in my eyes.

Immortality is awesome. It's just Mokou who is whiny, petty and stupid bitch.
And some LOL SO EDGY DURR retards still like her.
Yes i mad.

>>7801768
If you lived as long as she did you'd probably be a bit petty too.

Immortality is one of those things that seems really cool at first to morons who don't think of the long-term ramifications. Like others in the thread have said, mortals aren't made to live forever. You'll eventually go mad.

>>7801776
Indeed, I'm sure you know this by experience.

>>7801776
Kaguya is pretty chill in canon. And apparently elixir does some weird shit with your brain so it won't just shut down. Or ZUN is just lazy.

>>7801781
I've been around for a while, yeah.

This thread makes me ashamed of /jp/

>>7801786

1. Kaguya is a lunarian

2. canonically, Mokou is chill nowadays too. She had spent 300 years (~900 to 600 years ago) in a blind rage, however.
As >>7801234 said, she went insane and went back to sanity after a long time.

I wish zun wouldn't have added the whole immortality deal to touhou.
It's kind of like time travel, which doesn't add much to the story and is mostly poorly executed.

>>7801230

This raises some questions. Dying every 5 minutes in space sucks. You'd be in a constant coma without oxygen. What happens when Mokou hits a star? Is she reincarnated inside the star? That would kill you in a nanosecond.

>>7802058

I think there was some doujin where Mokou and Kaguya actually foresaw this would happen, and so create spells to survive in space before Earth blows up.

They end up combining the power of heat and eternety to re-create the universe after it's over, or something like that.

This thread reminds me of those times we talked about sealing Mokou in an block of concrete. Good times.

What sucks is the first time you severely injure yourself (i.e. lost an arm) and you're too much of a pussy to commit suicide.

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1LJV0BmwD0

>>7802120
I agree, it's a good thread. It's weird seeing /jp/ discussing something without throwing around sages and insults every single post.

I personally wouldn't drink the elixer either, though if Eirin could whip up something that maybe extended my life to a thousand years, I would.

>>7802155
>/jp/
>won't drink it

DO IT FAGGOT

>>7802155
One of the things that makes life so precious is the fact that it's short and fragile. Even extending it by a few thousand years would end up boring the hell out of you probably.

>>7802159
If you do drink it, make sure you don't have enemies who would find it amusing to bury you in the bottom of the ocean for all eternity or something similar.
That would suck.

>>7802155
>throwing around sages
So clueless.

Not bumping is more or less default mode here, because threads don't need to be on the fucking top spot on the first page all the time.

>>7802139

Oh god. That video always amkes me freak out. I wish I could foget it.

>>7802155

Well, she could make an elixir of ABSOLUTE IMMORTALITY, I guess she could do something like that easily. What also makes me wonder why she won't make an antidote.

Maybe she just like to watch the murder sessions everyday.

I wonder if it was canonically meant to be true "true immortality". The elixir juice stores itself up in the liver, right? What if the liver gets completely vaporized?

>>7802185
Although /jp/ sages more properly than most boards, it's still used as a passive-aggressive way of saying "I don't like you/ your thread" more often than not.

>>7802202
What if someone eats her liver??

>>7802207
That's simply not true. There's a large population of nokosage users as well.

>1 drink, cured from all illness. No illness will befall you.
>2 drinks, infinite life span, can still die if killed.
>3 Drinks complete and utter immortality.

You could just take one sip or two sips, no need to be fucking greedy.

>>7802219
Liver tastes fucking terrible.

>>7802207
You should spend more than one week on /jp/ before making statements like that.

>>7802219
He or she gains immortality.

>>7802219

cannibals.

Personally I wouldn't think twice about drinking that potion.

Seeing the one that I love dying one after another? I thought this was /jp/ did I hit the wrong board? That amounts to no one. What? My parents? They are supposed to die before me anyway!

I won't be able to die when the universe ends? I suppose I'll have some billions of years to think of a solution before I'll have to worry about that.

I'll go mad? Doesn't immunity to illness cover mental illness? It doesn't? Well I'll take the risk.

>>7802225
Dunno about human liver, but cow liver tastes fucking awesome.

Go out to fuckin' Iraq, and try and get one of those terrorists to RPG your ass. If it works, you're fine, if it doesn't, it's not a painful way to go.

There's probably some way to get rid of the immortality. Some supermagic that cancels other magic. Or Eirin makes some plot-potion again.

Hey, that's not the Elixer... That's a bottle of piss.

...

No, I'm not going to tell you whose piss it is~~

But but.. guys..

What happens to Mokou when the Ultimate Fate of the Universe comes to be?

>>7802237
>not a painful way to go
Having someone slit your throat is one of the most painful way to die.

>>7802202

Actually, Eirin states it's the soul that becomes immortal, so it doesn't matters how much you vaporize the person - the guy will always come back.

>>7802264

wait, what does a rocket propelled grenade have to do with knives again?

>>7802255
The Touhou universe has God Characters that can recreate the universe from scratch. Mokou can just chill until that happens.

>>7802255
If Mokou exists after the "end" of the universe, the universe still exists, since a part of it exists.

>>7802199

>she makes an elixir of ABSOLUTE IMMORTALITY
>makes me wonder why she won't make an antidote

You answered your own question. There isn't one, because it's ABSOLUTE IMMORTALITY

>>7802272
That would probably be one painful existence. Fuck that.

>>7802272
He means when all life is extinguished and nothing would form. Read up on the heat death of the universe.

>>7802272
Then Mokou would be a sub-atomic particle.

>>7802202
Nothing happens. A new liver is grown. You could theoretically mass produce the hourai elixir by taking it from mokou forever.

You are now aware Mokou can grant immortality or at the very least cure all sickness ever but doesn't want. What a bitch.

>>7802255
>And after idly waiting a thousand trillion years, when the last black dwarves fade into nothingness, the universe finally ends and only these girls exist in an infinitely thin mist of elementary particles. After another period of waiting so inconceivably long, as time eventually loses importance and meaning on a fundamental level, the universe is perhaps reborn due to the effects of time and statistic. And now these entities, very different from the girls they once were, have to live through another universe, only to be forced to do it again, for time, and space, evermore. Perhaps, knowing that somewhere out there their long lost sister share their torment, but they are never to meet again, lost over the eternally vast reaches of spacetime. Or maybe they've forgotten. Sounds swell.
>There's a snag in your story. Kaguya has the power of eternity, which freezes the arrow of time and defies entropy. No endless quiet darkness for these two. Really, it's quite convenient that such a power would be attached to a Hourai person.
>Fucking tohoo and their nonsensical powers.

>>7802297
Where did the liver eating part of the Hourai mythology come from?

>>7802255
>And after idly waiting a thousand trillion years, when the last black dwarves fade into nothingness, the universe finally ends and only these girls exist in an infinitely thin mist of elementary particles. After another period of waiting so inconceivably long, as time eventually loses importance and meaning on a fundamental level, the universe is perhaps reborn due to the effects of time and statistic. And now these entities, very different from the girls they once were, have to live through another universe, only to be forced to do it again, for time, and space, evermore. Perhaps, knowing that somewhere out there their long lost sister share their torment, but they are never to meet again, lost over the eternally vast reaches of spacetime. Or maybe they've forgotten. Sounds swell.
>There's a snag in your story. Kaguya has the power of eternity, which freezes the arrow of time and defies entropy. No endless quiet darkness for these two. Really, it's quite convenient that such a power would be attached to a Hourai person.
>Fucking tohoo and their nonsensical powers.

>>7802320
I have no idea where the original came from but I do know its first mentioned in IN's Extra Stage dialog.

>>7802282

Oh, duh. Makes sense.

>>7802297
Where did the liver eating part of the Hourai mythology come from?

(Answered by >>7802330 reposted whatever).

>>7802297
Wait, so if you can captrue Kaguya or Mokou and keep cutting out the liver, you could start an immortality black market.
Sure, there would eventually be millions of immortals running around, but that's no longer my problem.
Eirin made the elixir, she can figure out how to get rid of it, I'm in it just for the money.

>>7802202

It doesn't matter what happens to the elixir or the liver once the person tastes it. There's no "source" of it, they themselves are immortal.

Remember that roasting the liver nullifies the elixir. But that won't kill Mokou, because she's already immortal.

>>7802337

she can't get rid of it. It's true immortality

>>7802340
Eat river law, like a true touhou.

I like to think that eating the liver of a Hourai being gives you the elvish style of immortality -- "no aging or disease, but a spear to the heart kills 'em as good as any", unlike the Hourai Elixir's absolute "no such thing as death anymore".

It's strictly non-canon but it prevents infinitely multiplying true immortals.

I would drink it myself, quite looking forward to floating through space endlessly.

If you dont count the random sun/star i will spend a few hundred billion years inside burning untill it burns out and i can escape.

..Unless i become some sort of never ending super fuel that keeps the star/sun burning forever.

Though i would worry about the human brain's capacity to store information over the eon's.

>>7802328
Kaguya is powerful enough to prevent the death of the whole universe?

Anyone ever wonder if there's any other earth-like planets in the touhou universe? And if on that planet there are other cosmic-level touhous. What if they were to meet, would it end in a teaparty or a Total Annihilation style war that decimates countless planets.

>>7802364
>Anyone ever wonder if there's any other earth-like planets in the touhou universe?
Kind of.

>And if on that planet there are other cosmic-level touhous.
Yep.

>What if they were to meet, would it end in a teaparty or a Total Annihilation style war that decimates countless planets.
It would end in petty theft.

To answer OP's question.

Humans who don't age can't fit into society. Normally human's can't survive alone, but you wouldn't be able to die. So you'd be forced to live in exile like Mokou

Also, the youkai don't live infinite lifespans.
>The youkai of Gensokyo also lived long lives. There were quite a few who had lived longer than I had. However, they were fundamentally different from me. No matter how long they might live, they would still waste away in the end.
>All life crumbles away - each and every living thing must die, this was the law of the world. If that's the case, then maybe I haven't been living since I drank the elixir. Maybe there was no point in acting to preserve my life anymore. What should I be trying to accomplish?

A finite lifespan is like NOTHING compared to eternity. Even a trillion, trillion years is but a flick in the eyes of an immortal life.

Kaguya copes with this by being a lunatic (crazy) princess.
Mokou already went insane. But even insanity and boredom of life dies eventually, so she became sane again, and even managed to prefer her lifestyle.
She's some sort of elite forest guide, now..

>>7802402
Kinda neat that she devotes herself to helping regular people she finds in the forest. First she goes insane, but eventually she copes with the fact that she's fucked and even decides to help other mortals. Enviable.

>>7802413

I don't really think she does it because she genuinely wants to help people. I think she does it more out of convinenience to pass the time and to keep forest clean of filth.
She couldn't care less what other people think of her. She's no longer even associates or socializes with other people.

>Since I know the youkai around here pretty well, I don't get lost. So, whenever I find a lost human in the forest, I guide them back to the village. After all, lots of youkai hang around here, and I don't want to stumble across any lost villager's corpse.
>It's not as if I was waiting until that person was out of sight to make sure they made it back safely. I was watching the smoke rising from...

>>7801584

She did it on a whim.
Yes, that's how selfish she is. Mokou was right.
I thought at first that some sort of rivalry made her claims of Kaguya farfetched, but after reading all of the chapters, Kaguya really was just a selfish girl who ruins people's lives.

>>7802494
If Kaguya is one, then Mokou is as well, you know.

>>7802498

How? Besides the berserk 600 years part?

>>7802502
Honest Man's Death, anyone?

And all for her own desire for petty revenge on Kaguya.

>>7802494

You know, Kaguya loves Mokou in canon.
She's obsessed with Danmaku shooters. And Mokou's incredibly powerful in canon, so maybe Kaguya sends people to kill her weekly because she... likes her!

>>7802518
Yeah, she killed someone to get the elixir. Mokou is a murderer.

I'd say this is a successful Moko thread

>>7801717
>What if the Hourai Elixir gives you special abilities depending on what happens to it? Kaguya has the power to manipulate eternity. She drank it on the pure moon where things don't age.
I haven't read the whole thread and don't know if someone else has pointed that out yet, but

Kaguya's power was needed to create the elixir in the first place. Unless she gained some time traveling ability, that doesn't work.

>>7802724

Allow me to use your post to have something clarified: Eirin made the elixier because kaguya asked her to, or it was made as some sort of experiment and, after it was banned, used anyway by Kaguya?

>I suppose to someone like you, humans are... weak, short-lived, pitiable creatures, aren't they?
>Humans certainly are weak... they live only a short, never knowing when they'll die.
>And what's more, they're sorrowful creatures with easily swayed hearts...
>But... that's why they're so noble.
>It's because they'll die... that they live their fullest.
>It's because being weak is so painful... that they seek out all the joy they can.
>When you stop being human... when you lose your human weakness... when you lose your human death... you lose your entire worth as a person.

>Someone who can never hear the prayers of worms that are born in the morning and die at night... can never understand the joy of a human facing death.
>Of course by now, even I've forgotten what it means, myself...