/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Oh, and by the way, Arthur won the second character popularity poll.

http://tenco.cc/home/article/201107/2381

Is there really a need to make a new thread each time something updates?
I mean this looks interesting but come on

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>>7687064
Are you complaining about new content being posted on /jp/? Seriously?

>>7687066
>Hero Fire War Princess

You need to stop.

>>7687069
Site updates about a new characters or a poll hardly count as "new content". Everyone who cares can check by himself, I really see no reason to do it unless OP faps over being the first the tell something to other people.

>>7687082
Okay. /jp/'s a better place when it's just reposted Touhou pictures and the regular shitposting. Now that's quality OP fapping.

>>7687074
Sorry, I read 水 as 火. Should be "Hero Water War Princess". 英雄水戦姫

>>7687088
That's an asterisk, you dipshit. And it's not read "hime" either.

>>7687082
Oh no. A game has 2-3 threads a week. What unbearable suffering you must endure. My heart bleeds for you, good sir. If there is anything at all that I can do for you to ease your suffering, just say the word. This slight shall not go unpunished.

>>7687088
水, 火, and ＊. They all basically look the same right?

>>7687104
I just finished work, very tired... and have to go work again in afew hours. They look very similar.

>>7687098
I'm fine with the occasional thread, but it's getting "OH GOD A DOT ON THE SITE MOVED" hype levels of ridiculous.
Whatever, I'll just drop it, I didn't mean to turn this into an argument thread.

>>7687108
You're doing this on purpose, cudder. No one is that dumb on purpose.

>>7687054
I always think these polls are rigged, because the main heroine always seems to win and she always is really bland. Maybe that makes sense since people who want someone more exciting are split among their various personal preferences.

Probably I'm just butthurt that vlad or a brown girl didn't win.

>>7687324
keep on trollin'

>>7687026
Wait, did Billy the Kid just get outgunned?

>>7687346
Its probably just a lot of carry-on sentiment from F/SN's Saber.
Once people start playing the game, I'm sure new favorites will emerge.
Like Magical Girl Nero-chan!

people really don't like anymore wild girls , uh?
I feel trapped in the 80's.

>>7687360
I feel like it's more the other way around, that saber was popular because blonde heroines auto-win, but then again, Kohaku did beat everyone in the face so I'll hold out hope for a dark horse heroine.

I hope the writing, and hopefully translation, for this game will be good, because there's a lot of potential for clever (or at least amusing) history jokes. Interpreting Nero as a magical girl—it will be amusing to see how they justify that. Christian immolation moe~

>>7687357
what we learned today is:
guns>sticks

>>7687404
>Kohaku did beat everyone in the face
as a objectively well developed and interesting character? indeed.
as a fan/waifu/commercial/whatever fuel? nope.
everybody wants just three TMpussies: Arc, Arthur and Rin. and Necoarc obiouvsly, but that's out of competition.

>>7687420
If you disregard the Arcueid foreigner vote, Kohaku is always top Tsukihime.

>>7687436
really? I thought turkeys were at bottom with Ciel and Sacchin. and what about F/SN girls? I really can't understand why they're so top tier.
whatever, this isn't a TM thread...

Main heroines always get the most votes because they're made to accomodate most tastes, that goes double with japanese thinking "normal is good".
The only polls where I saw the main heroine lose were those who had her as a weirder/more polarizing character than some other heroines.

>>7687455
I just said top Tsukihime. I don't recall the exact standing of the last all-around TM poll. It was predominantly Fate at the top.

>>7687463
right, and this also applies in any aspect of nip entertainment. this said, who's the main of this game?

>>7687455
Kohaku has always been the most popular character after the foreign blondie.
It is funny that they are xenophobic but will always go for the foreign blondie instead of yamato nadeshiko.

>>7687455
>>7687420
Kohaku drop kicked the other Tsukihime heroines and drugged them for later use (except for that blonde chick). Overall Type-Moon i unno but more than one Tsukhime only she took second, possibly more than once.

>>7687463
> that goes double with japanese thinking "normal is good"
Except they aren't white in Japan, remember? So she is not "normal" at all; she's exotic and mysterious.

Fate ranking.

>>7687469
Not true. There've been times where a secondary character has stomped primary characters in popularity. Usually, this is the fault of the primary character, but it happens.

>>7687474
> instead of yamato nadeshiko.
there's really no Yamato Nadeshiko in Tsukihime, well, I guess Kohaku's facade counts, but that's a facade

TYPE-MOON Character Polls 2009
1.Ryougi Shiki
2.Saber
3.Tohsaka Rin
4.Archer
5.Arcueid Brunestud
6.Kohaku
7.Rider
8.Tohno Akiha
9.Matou Sakura
10.Yumizuka Satsuki

-suddely, Tsukihime everywhere-

>>7687479
>So she is not "normal" at all; she's exotic and mysterious.
I didn't mean normal as in character with normal features, but rather that they usually they feel more at ease with the standard rather then the weird niche. Even if Saber and Arcueid are exotic in appereance, their role in the story is pretty standard love story stuff.

>>7687474
1. Ryougi Shiki
2. Saber
3. Tohsaka Rin
4. Archer
5. Arcueid Brunestud
6. Kohaku
7. Rider
8. Tohno Akiha
9. Matou Sakura
10. Yumizuka Satsuki

This is the 2009 poll, with co-sex choices. This is the aftermath of Kara no Kyoukai, having Ryougi at the top. Kohaku still comes in 6th, beating out Rider (a huge fan favorite) and Sakura (another fan favorite who has the end-route of Fate). Tohno Akiha fills the tertiary favorite Tsukihime roll, which would be second-favorite once you remove the foreigner vote.

If you remove the foreigner vote, the order is:

1. Ryougi Shiki
3. Tohsaka Rin
4. Archer
6. Kohaku
8. Tohno Akiha
9. Matou Sakura
10. Yumizuka Satsuki

Which means Kohaku figures in just under Rin in popularity. That's a feat in and of itself. Ryougi wouldn't even be at the top except for KnK's recent popularity spike due to the movies. Archer is his own category, meaning he doesn't even factor for consideration.

Sacchin won 10th. That's fucking hilarious.

>>7687484
>>7687474
>>7687478
ah, yeah, all this because I completely forgot about official character polls.

>>7687492
I'm just curious about a thing: why the 'remove foreigner vote'? it's the first time I hear about that.

>>7687494
It's a thread about polls. It makes sense to compare them to other polls. I'd bring in CLANNAD's rankings, but I'm not sure I want to look them up.

>>7687495
Japanese love their foreign blonde.
Just look at Fate or Char(IS) popularity.

>>7687487
Fair point, their relationship with the protagonist is absolutely straightforward stuff, no strange twists or used goods.

But let's be honest: that's no different from the taste of American otaku either. On /jp/ I'd expect Kohaku to beat arc, but that's probably as far from mainstream is our tiny subset community would get.

>>7687495
Foreigner characters in Japan automatically get an artificial popularity bump, just for being foreigners. It's the same appeal that Asian features used to have on Americans: we loved their black, silky hair and petite, demure styling. The Japanese wanted corn-fed, blond American women with loose morals that know how to party.

Discount what you can accredit to a superficial phenomenon as much as possible, since it's rarely about the character, and more about the foreigner factor.

>>7687500
so, it counts like a 'special category' so heavily?

>>7687502
If you were talking about foreigner vote, gaijin styling, Akiha would top that. Kohaku has the maid vote tied up, but Akiha is our Japanese mistress.

>>7687504
I think he meant it as a autowin trait.
So he just removed it to see how other characters fare against each other without it.

>>7687501
I'm >>7687504
I see. but you mean that the ethnic archetype have an appeal so strong that covers the identity of the character itself ?
Arc afterall is a good character, I didn't felt an invasise 'stereotype writing' in her.

>>7687518
It's the equivalent of doping in a sport. It's just not fair when you can add blond hair to a character and receive a guaranteed boost, just because they're a foreigner.

Adding blond hair to a native Japanese character seems to have the opposite response... unless you're Sunohara.

>>7687508
We should put it to a vote to prove it, but I think that heroines are designed to be so universally appealing that even westerners find them most attractive. Basically, I think it's about personality first and character design second. I mean, when even the Japanese in anime look like westerners, or are indistinguishable from the other characters, I'm not sure how foreign appeal factors in.

Of course, it's difficult to measure all of the japanese voting on a type-moon poll with /jp/, who is itself a subset of the weeaboo community at large.

>>7687530
>I think that heroines are designed to be so universally appealing that even westerners find them most attractive. Basically, I think it's about personality first and character design second. I mean, when even the Japanese in anime look like westerners, or are indistinguishable from the other characters

Okay, then.

>>7687524
100% clear. you're a good White Ren.

>>7687524
>Adding blond hair to a native Japanese character seems to have the opposite response
I dont think so Ren-chan.
Marisa KIRISAME is fucking popular.

>>7687542
Are you dumb or just stupid?

>>7687530
I don't think that's it. Arc has won all the Tsukihime polls I have seen so far in the English community (the ones in mirrormoon, recent BL polls, etc). And even the ones in the Spanish community.

>>7687554
Of course, the same goes for Saber.

>>7687554
>mirrormoon, BL, South America

I wouldn't have a problem with a Western poll, but could you name somewhere that did it that isn't filled with subhumans?

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>>7687548
is this another Ren?

>>7687573
There is only one, true White Ren.

Bringing up Touhou is idiocy. The entire setting is East is West, West is East. That's the point. Of course it functions by different standards. mirrormoon and BL's crowd have a low reputation for a reason. South America is the world's whipping boy.

Go with the flow.

hey, why I can't see the game's site?

>>7687686
Because you're a retard.

>>7687712
Now, this is a post that isn't me. Hard to tell, but true.