/jp/ - Otaku Culture

You don't.

Touhou gets in you.

Play a game (PCB or EoSD to start) and/or read doujins.

/thread

Play the games, read the doujin, and/or listen to the music.

>>766303
>crappy

excuse me?

if you don't like the games to begin with, you're probably not gonna grow to like them

just stick with the music and the crappy porn

You go to DoujinStyle, follow the Touhou link and select one of the games that will appear on the next page.

Perfect Cherry Blossom on Normal, force yourself to not use continues.

Try running against traffic on the freeway. This is like simulating Touhou in real life. Just...don't practice grazing in real life.

Start with The Highly Responsive to Prayers and work your way up.

>>766312

well, most of what i've seen is crappy, but there's probably some gems in there

Recently played MoF in EASY MOODO and it felt quite difficult.

Is it just my imagination or is PCB far easier?

>>766355

pcb is the easiest windows game on normal

>>766355
PCB is actually the hardest.

I started with EOSD, and after you get used to the imaginary hitbox, its quite easy.

>>766386
>>hitbox
More like hitpixel.

I remember this thread yesterday...

>>766389
Is a pixel not shaped like a box? Same shit.

>>766389
Isn't it at least 4 pixels?

>>766386

what makes you say PCB is the hardest? i'm not too great at touhou, but the only game i've 1cced is PCB

>>766297
looks like a shitty game

>>766435
Aside from the fact that stage 4 on lunatic is too fucking long and Yuyuko's spellcards are fucking hard? Or that Yukari is one hell of a bitch? I dunno.

>>766461
>on lunatic

well, that's fine and all, but i was talking about the lower difficulty levels and so was >>766355

i believe you when you say PCB's the hardest on lunatic, but what's the hardest on normal/easy?

I wish the Windows games were more like the PC98 games.

>>766489
The only difference I see is less danmaku.

>>766493

less danmaku, vastly superior music, no poc, no gimmicks, better character art/design

plus, story of eastern wonderland doesn't even have a focus button

>>766509
>vastly superior music
lol at all of those, but especially this.

The only song I've heard that doesn't sound like complete shit was Alice's stage theme from the fifth one.

>>766509
So they were more generic, then.

>>766540

you just don't like chiptunes, which is fine

>>766546

they seem that way now, but you gotta realize they came out in 1997, when the only other bullet hell games were donpachi and dodonpachi

anyone have links as to where to find these touhou games? some rapidshit, mayhap?

>>766435
from easiest to hardest
- IN (lol bombing during border of death)
-MoF (it really isnt that hard, save for Aya's survival and the last spell card)
- EoSD / PCB (they are really close people find each easier or harder, for me it was EoSD b/c lack of hitbox)
-SA (looks like this one will be the hardest, i mean stage 3 is ridiculous)
- STB (you cannot deny this, this game puts the rest to shame in terms of difficulty)

>>766489
One more like this.

>>766489
Damnit, I want an NES styled EoSD that's more than one level.

Sadly, I have a feeling those shots are just mockups...

>>766564
I'd disagree on STB simply because you only have to do each card once. I've yet to 1cc anything other than IN on normal, yet I have all but the extra stages unlocked on STB, and nearly 60 stages completed. STB is persistence more than anything.

>>766557
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>766564
Fucking wrong!

Ordering the Windows from easiest to hardest is: PCB > MoF > IN > SA > EoSD/StB

>>766297
Dont, Touhou is a mediocre shoot em up game.

Touhou is all about fitting in . Touhoufags are rejects of rejects who will do anything to be a part of something. Also, if you're trying to become a Touhoufag because you're giving in to peer pressure. Touhou is not very popular. Google the following: "google trends" Now witness with your own eyes how unpopular Touhou is. If you're still trying to become a Touhoufag after hearing all of this then *congratulations, you are a real Touhoufag. And don't even get me started with their lust for gaia related things. Reimu is a zombie rofl XD!

>>768126
One of you is talking about Lunatic difficulty, and the other about Easy modo.

>>768128

0/10

>>768128
0/10

>>766557

Wrong.

Batsugun, Battle Garegga, Dangun Feveron and Radiant Silvergun all came out around that time.+

>>768128

You're entirely right about everything other than being mediocre, I'd say they're above average.

>>768145
OK, they're average shoot em ups. Are we cool now?

I only call them mediocre/average because they are average and mediocre when compared to other games nowadays. Metal Gear 4 to name a few.

And I know what you're thinking. "Why are you comparing a doujin game to a game with a 20+ million dollar budget." "You're so mean, rofl XD."

I do so because the year is 2008. Protip: We're in the next generation. ZUN's shitty Touhou is out-dated nowadays. I've seen some /jp/er level skiddies make a Touhou game. That's how easy it is to make a Touhou game nowadays. With next generation graphics and physics engines Touhou is an insult to every real game developer out there. And I know what you're thinking "but we like 2D games." "2D games are classics." "so kawii!111"

Well my only reply to such high levels of gaia faggotry is grow the fuck up. Back in my days I played Super Mario, Sonic, Megaman, castlevania. and Metroid. Yet I've dropped them for the next generation games. Stop living in the past. Because I'm a programmer, I know the difficulties of the third dimension. Coding in 3D is a great achievement for all programmers. ZUN's uber lack of evolution is disturbing.

>>768250

PFFFFT GO PLAY A REAL GAME FAGGOT

LIKE HALO

>>768250
0/10.
Come on man, you're saying that no one should play 2d games because they're HARD TO MAKE!?

>>768258
/jp/ers attack /a/nons by saying Naruto.
/jp/ers attack /v/irgins by saying Halo.
Is that the best you can do?

>>768250

0/10

Naturally, I knows the hacker.

>>768288
>Come on man, you're saying that no one should play 2d games because they're *not HARD TO MAKE!?

From easiest to hardest for me:
MoF
IN
PCB
EoSD

>>768250
>Because I'm a programmer, I know the difficulties of the third dimension. Coding in 3D is a great achievement for all programmers. ZUN's uber lack of evolution is disturbing.
Protip: Not all game concepts are good in 3d. Touhou is fine as it is.
What the hell, it's people like you who caused Worms 3d to happen.

>>768307
Sorry, 12:30 and all.

>>768288
I think he's saying Touhou is over-rated like hell and we should feel bad for liking it. And that he's a bit butthurt about how a drunkard is having so much success with only decent games. Also, he's apparently not taking into consideration how most people are into touhou not for the games, but for the doujins and shit.
Seriously, there are a LOT of better games than Touhou, but hey, I like my silly hats and retarded dialogues.

>>768258
Just because Halo is played by millions of casual gamers does not stop it from being the best FPS to ever come out on a console? If you're dumb enough to debate this. By all means, please do. Also, Halo has one of the best multiplayer experiences period. Halo is the Goldeneye of its time. And that's something that you butthurt PCfags will never be able to change.

>>768334
Finally a smart reply to my post.

Give some merit to the games too. It's not like the fanart sprung out of nowhere for no reason. The games were good enough for people to notice and make fanart of it.

>>768342

Deus Ex > everything

>>768342
Though I don't see what exactly sets Halo appart from the other shootan games, I will concede that it is great fun in multiplayer, especially when I can harass people in french over X-Box Live.

why hello thar /v/

>>768334

It is overrated though.

The main point is that most people don't even play the games ANYWAY, so even if they are pretty good, and tbh, they have some fantastic bullet patterns on lunatic in most of them, but the majority of the fanbase don't experience that and go ahead and latch on to what is effectively fucking FANFICTION.

>>768354

Quality of a game =! amount of fanart.

POPULARITY OF A GAME = Amount of fanart

Quality of a game =! POPULARITY OF A GAME

>>768334
ZUN's not floating in cash. *There's a reason why he only weighs 90 pounds and is an alcoholic.

Last time I checked Touhou is not selling very well in Japan.

>>768376

Because >>768365


Nobody plays the damn games.

>>768365
Hell, let's ban fanfiction altogether then. Why the hell shouldn't you be allowed to decide what other people enjoy?

>>768376

Lies I have proofs right here

>>768376

He has a real job.

>>768384

I'm not saying you can't enjoy fanfiction, but for god's sake, you have an entire, very large, very vocal, very stupid fanbase that rivals that of fully fledged games/etc for FANFICTION?


Really, just consider that for a minute.

>>768404
And it's not like the fanfiction itself is of high quality either.

>>768404
And...? The games provide an enormous cast of interesting characters that are perfectly suited to it.

>>768354
>Give some merit to the games too. It's not like the fanart sprung out of nowhere for no reason. The games were good enough for people to notice and make fanart of it.

Protip: There's more Naruto fanart then Touhou fanart. Does that mean Naruto is great? Out of the big 3 shonens Naruto has more fanart then Bleach and One Piece combined. Does that mean Naruto is better than Bleach and One Piece?

Number of fanart != Quality of object.

>>768414

>interesting

HAHAHA WHAT?

Not a single character has been fleshed out beyond one or two of ZUN's silly little powerlevel comments. That is not "interesting".

>>768375
"=!" != "!="

How the game became popular? Because it stood out. Because it was at least decent quality. Games with no brand attached don't became popular out of nowhere, especially doujin games.

>>768420
0/10. I'm not even arguing with you anymore.

>>768414

How does a large amount of characters (somebody else already covered interesting) have any effect on how well suited something is for fanfiction?

For god's sake, do you see thousands of fanboys fantasizing and sharing porn of characters who exist almost entirely in fanfiction ANYWHERE else?

>>768414
>The games provide an enormous cast of interesting characters that are perfectly suited to it.

Compare Touhou characters to Final Fantasy characters. Oh wait, you only play weeaboo Internet games so you don't know what Final Fantasy is.

Why is everyone forgetting about Phantasmagoria of Flower View?

Of course, that game was really easy as far as a difficulty curve went and then BAM THERE WAS SHIKI RAPING YOU UP THE ASS.

>>768428

>I'm going to rate this guy with a 0/10. That'll show him

>>768427

Wrong. The games weren't actually that popular before the main fanbase emerged. What made it into what we have today is the fanart/fanfiction. The majority of people fitting in latched onto these instead of the games.

Thus your argument should be about the quality of the FANFICTION, not the games to apply to the majority of /jp/

>>768446

Final Fantasy has been trash since 7 anyway.

>>768446
>Oh wait, you only play weeaboo Internet games so you don't know what Final Fantasy is.
Saying this kind of thing is only good to get everything you say ignored in any kind of serious argument.

>>768446

Really bad example. You're not helping my case here.

>>768454
You're telling people to stop liking something on the board that's largely devoted to it and act as though you're not a troll?

>>768460
A better one would be to compare a Touhou character to any MGS villain, since they have more backstory than your average JRPG protagonist.

>>768467

I'm not telling you to stop liking it, not the same dude as before.

I'm saying you need to accept that you're hyping yourself over a pretty pathetic thing.

OH GOD IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER AGAIN

>>768454
I'm talking about 2003-2004 in japan here, not "popular in /jp/". The games spawned the first fanartist because of the music/characters/gameplay. Those fanartist helped the game be popular, but the essence of the game is still intact and the quality doesn't have anything to do with its popularity.

>>768472
So you're telling us to "accept" that something we like sucks on a board largely devoted to it. Same argument applies. Obvious troll, gtfo or, better yet, just get used to it. Also, unless you have actual statistics or at least strong logic that supports your hypothesis of almost no one here actually plays the game, please stop using that as a way to advance your shitty crusade against other people's preferences.

>>768472
>pretty pathetic thing
I can't say I agree with this. I think what the fanbase has done with Touhou is wonderful. Of course, you could say that it was pretty pathetic pre-fanbase.

>>768486

Look, face it, how much of the fanbase are interested in the games?

Even in just the japanese one, they are the MINORITY compared the ones in it for the doujins and music.

The majority of the popularity stems from the fanfiction. End of.

The have not said once that the games were bad, in fact I praised them before for their patterns in Lunatic, but they ARE overrated, mostly by people who DON'T PLAY THEM.

>>768493
So..it just is because you said so?

The only difference between Touhou and Final Fantasy is that the characters in Touhou had such bad character plots and personalities that gaia/fanfiction (weeaboos) decided to give them a decent plot and personality. Doing such with characters from Final Fantasy (who already have character plots and personalities) would be redundant. Also, the other thing about Touhou was the shitty art. Touhou's art style was apparently so bad that it encouraged thousands of drawfags to prove that they are a better artist then ZUN. Hell, I've probably only drawn 40 pictures in my entire life yet I can draw better than ZUN.

Note to all game developers out there. Make your characters with little or no plot and you will get a cult following.

>>768487

It's clearly fucking obvious, make any thread regarding the games and it gets swamped by the fanart/porn/music.

I've made numerous threads asking who actually bothers to go above normal modo here and on the pooshlmer board, I always get a vast minority of responses that fulfill the requirements, let alone 1ccing any of it.

And no, it's not that they suck.

It's that it's a pretty pathetic thing to get hyped over. I'm not going to say they suck, that's subjective, but it IS pathetic from the standpoint of anyone with sense.

>>768489

The western fanbase does nothing. The Japanese fanbase puts out a lot of good art, doujins that I don't care about, and remixes.

The western fanbase mooches off it.

>>768507
I donno man. I do enjoy the FWEEEMMM and SEXY BEAM our side has made.

>>768505

For fucks sake, are you actually trying to claim most of the fanbase plays the games?


Fucking troll.

>>768493
Pretty much everybody agrees that the games have good patterns, good music, solid overall design for shmups, story and dialog that make no sense at all and shit art. How is that wrong?

>>768507
>I'm not going to say they suck, that's subjective, but it IS pathetic from the standpoint of anyone with sense.
Well, yeah, I guess...

Good thing there really isn't anyone around me to view me as pathetic.

>>768507

If anything, I'd say the western fanbase needs to be firebombed. Have you read the fanfiction? HAVE YOU? IT'S ENOUGH TO MAKE YOG-SOTHOTH TURN PURPLE WITH RAGE

>>768493
>The majority of the popularity stems from the fanfiction.

I never disagreed with that. I'm just saying the games deserve credit too. Especially for the music, since its remixes consist half of the fanmade works.

>but they ARE overrated, mostly by people who DON'T PLAY THEM.

Ok, I give you that. I hear some atrocities from the fans when they compare TH with any other bullet hell shooter.

>>768522

Because the the majority of people commenting on the damn things don't even play them/play them enough to actually see the good patterns.

The patterns on easy to hard are usually decent at best. Lunatic is where it gets impressive.

>>768507
I don't remember saying anything about the western fanbase, but it's not like you were making any point out of this.

>>768506
>>Also, the other thing about Touhou was the shitty art. Touhou's art style was apparently so bad that it encouraged thousands of drawfags to prove that they are a better artist then ZUN.

No. Westerners/weeaboos have a set idea for what "anime art" should be. They are extremely narrowminded, and will not tolerate things that stray from the norm.

The Japanese do not hold such restricted views. They find ZUN's art/character desgins very charming and interesting. That's why it's so popular.

Also, both fanbases play the games. Just the Japanese play on lunatic difficulty, and the Westerners play on very easy.

>>768526
>I never disagreed with that. I'm just saying the games deserve credit too. Especially for the music, since its remixes consist half of the fanmade works.

And for the last time, I never said the games didn't deserve credit. Games can be overrated and still be good, and for the last time, I HAVE praised the patterns on Lunatic. The music is good, pretty much overrated, but still good (most remixes are shit however)

I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue with me here.

>>768487
Do yourself a favor and go outside and buy a few games. Protip: Touhou is not very endearing

Guys, don't forget that only the awesome stuff the nips made that are shared in 4chan. Though it can't be argued that they have created many high quality ones, they spew just as many horrible fan works as we do.

I can upload a QUALITY doujin as an example, if you insist.

>>768540

AND BUY SYSTEM SHOCK, TOO.

BIOSHOCK IS FOR FAGGOTS

>>768536
Me neither, just killing time.

>>768539

What's so fucking great about it?

What does it do? It's utterly useless unless you actually care about the characters, which I entirely don't, despite having played the games and having gotten good at them.

>>768507
"It's that it's a pretty pathetic thing to get hyped over. I'm not going to say they suck, that's subjective, but it IS pathetic from the standpoint of anyone with sense."
"Anyone who doesn't agree with me doesn't have sense and it's not objective to say something is pathetic."
These two statements are essentially equivalent, just with the obvious retarded statements made clear. And touhouproject.com is essentially a community devoted to English fanfiction, so your retarded Japs are hard working people, while the Americans are stupid and lazy argument is essentially broken into twenty itty bitty pieces, along with your ego if you had any sense of how ridiculous it is to CARE about this in the first place, let alone become so incredibly butthurt that you need to have a midnight discussion over whether people should like something.
>>768512
>>768507
Also, samefag. And yes, I would argue that most of the people who have been fans of Touhou for a decent period of time and regularly participate in Touhou threads on /jp/ or pooshlmer have at least tried them.

>>766316

You are a faggot. I just got into Touhou and I can barely beat this game on easy using every continue with only one charachter.

>>768334

Damn fucking straight!

OK, so... why do we like Touhou? to be honest, I think the games are a piece of crap, but ZUN created a universe with a shitload of charachters of most of the anime stereotypes for writing fanfics and doujin and shit about.

The point is not that the games are good, the point is that they spawned a story that is interesting. It's the universe behind the games full of lolis in silly hats that attracts me.

Pic Somewhat Related

>>768532

The fanbase has created a lot of shit and some good, which is better than most of what you can say about OTHER fanbases, so yes, I suppose so.


That doesn't make the fanbase as a whole good.

>>768556

>the point is that they spawned a story that is interesting.

BUT THEY BARELY HAVE A FUCKING STORY

WHAT'S SO FUCKING INTERESTING ABOUT IT?

SERIOUSLY.

I've beaten all of them and skimread the dialog, what's everyone else seeing in it for christ's sake?

>>768564
The fanon and injokes are far more interesting than the in-game story.

>>768562

>"Anyone who doesn't agree with me doesn't have sense and it's not objective to say something is pathetic."

My god, you really DO believe it isn't pathetic.

Fuck.

>And yes, I would argue that most of the people who have been fans of Touhou for a decent period of time and regularly participate in Touhou threads on /jp/ or pooshlmer have at least tried them.

Above easy modo? Pfft.

>>768564
He's talking about fanworks genius

>>768535
>The Japanese do not hold such restricted views. They find ZUN's art/character desgins very charming and interesting. That's why it's so popular.

Not really. If that was the case there would be more Touhou fanart that looks like ZUN's art. If they like it as much as you say they do, how come their art doesn't look like ZUN's shitty art?

Also, you obviously don't know shit about art. Not even the Japs would think ZUN's art looks good. ZUN's art is not an art-style. Saying ZUN's work is an art style is the same thing as saying your 6 year old sister's art is an art style. Failing at anatomy and proportions != art style. ZUN's malformed faces and cross-eyed characters is a perfect example of a rookie. ZUN is still stuck in amateur hour.

>>768578
Right, cause more than 1% of the population could possibly hope to play a bullet hell game above the lowest difficulty without months of training.

>>768587

Don't forget Remiliahands.

>>766297
a. play a few games, latest referably.
b. read doujins
c. listen to their music album remixes.
- any order

then read touhou character wiki for minor details about each of them as you go along with a,b, and c.

music remix is possibly the most useful for me.

>>768562

>And touhouproject.com is essentially a community devoted to English fanfiction, so your retarded Japs are hard working people, while the Americans are stupid and lazy argument is essentially broken into twenty itty bitty pieces, along with your ego if you had any sense of how ridiculous it is to CARE about this in the first place, let alone become so incredibly butthurt that you need to have a midnight discussion over whether people should like something.

Oh ho ho, so now it's back to using your ARGUING ON THE INTERNET retort?

Protip, using such logic is just plain dumb. I don't CARE about the games specifically, I CARE about the fact that many of you seem delusional to the fact that what you're hyping yourselves over is a pretty lowly thing.

Fuck, it was so bad moot had to make a new board for you because you kept fagging up the other boards.

>>768597

And yet /a/ is still garbage. Funny, that.

>>768586
>>768581

But to spawn such shit, you have to actually have a fucking basis to go off, and there ISN'T ANY IN TOUHOU.

WHY NOT JUST WRITE A GODDAMN NOVEL OR DRAW YOUR OWN BLOODY MANGA IF IT'S SO ORIGINAL?

>>768578
>Above easy modo? Pfft.
I don't get it. Why is that important at all?

>>768599
It took me a week to play past normal.

Eh, for me touhouproject.com is for the 18+ section. At certain times they have higher traffic or new content than the touhou nsfw imageboard.

>>768587
>>If that was the case there would be more Touhou fanart that looks like ZUN's art.

Makes sense.

Actually, it doesn't. You're pretty good at trolling. 7/10.

>>768599

You are a delusional idiot if you believe this. Unless your hand eye coordination is utter bollocks, anyone who is relatively decent at videogames should be able to beat normal mode, even if they have to use one or two continues.

Fail less.

>>768604

because the only good points of the game really start emerging on Lunatic or Hard.

What we agree on so far:
Nothing, there's always somebody bawwwing about something.

What we don't agree on so far:
Nothing, there's always people coming to an understanding.

ITT: Arguing for the sake of killing time.

>>768557
>That doesn't make the fanbase as a whole good.
I conceed this point. But what the fanbase did helped shape and fill what I think is an interesting universe, as opposed to ruining it. I think we can all agree that without the countless doujins the eastern fanbase has made to shape the Touhou universe, it would be pretty meh.

>>768604

EHH MAJI

>>768587
ZUN art has it's charm. That doesn't mean everyone will try to copy it though, nor that its professional. Everyone has it's own style, and TH being a vague world, every artist can depict its favorite character as they please within the limits set by ZUN.

>>768556
ZUN didn't create the character personalities.

Even inside the latest Touhou games the character personalities and plots are completely different from the character personalities that you see in the doujins. ZUN doesn't even know about the "wonderful" characters that you speak of. Are you really that stupid?

>>768616

The countless doujins themselves are meh anyway, so I don't really see much advancement at all besides attracting a worse fanbase.

>So could you kind gents please explain to me how I should get into touhou.

Porn.

>>768613
While true for the other games, this is not true for MoF since it starts you back at the beginning of the stage.

ITT we try to force our opinions on others.

Liking touhou is okay, but when you start defending ZUNs art, you might have gone too far.

>>768642

Yeah, one counter exdample.

MOF is pretty easy on normal modo though.

Also LOL MARISA C

>>768619
hell, I cant copy his style no matter what, it may look childish, hell its hard to imitate. so ending up using your own style to get the design, alot of em did the same. made it popular.

>>768630
Fanartist do use in-game dialog and whatever ZUN hints in the game to give personalities to his characters. Stuff can be made up, but most of the personalities they have today come from the games.

>>768556
>You are a faggot. I just got into Touhou and I can barely beat this game on easy using every continue with only one charachter.

Then try to barely beat it on normal.

>>768654
Explain Alice for me then.

>>768631
Well, there's nothing I can say about this without forcing my opinion rather than coming to an understanding.

>>768654

But there's basically next to nothing in terms of personalities for the characters in the games anyway.

The fanfiction has to go to great lengths to invent personalities, especially for the boss fights where there aren't conversations at all, and again, this raises the point; if it's such "high quality" and has so much original content (ie, if you changed the character design itself, it may as well be something else), then why bother making it based off it? What's the point?

>>768670

Alice is an aberration.

>>768680

Look, sum it up, what's good about them?

are they written well? (doubt it, fan project)

Are they illustrated well? (eh, potentially)

Are the stories interesting (or 9 times out of 10 is it fucking "slice of life" bullshit?)

Is there any real character development? (or does it have to stay the same overall because otherwise you end up with multiple people writing different brands of fiction? o lawd)


List goes on forever.

>>768670
She's one of the few exceptions, but even then, there are some doujins that fit closer to her in-game attitude rather than the "lonely puppeteer" that is often used.

>>768670
Explain what? Why is she depicted as tsundere? IN dialogue hints it somehow, its pretty vague though. Why is she depicted as grouchy? Again IN dialogue and SA dialogue. Some stuff depends on the artist though, but most of them go for the tsundere.They work with very little and do fantastic stuff, which is impressive.

>>768693

>fantastic

Nobody's elaborating on this.

What's so fucking great about the doujins?

Ok, this might be a dumb comparison, but for kicks and giggles let's give it a shot.

Why is Touhou better than Megaman? Why aren't Megaman fans creaming their panties over Megaman 24/7. What does Touhou have that Megaman doesn't? Why were Megaman fans able to move on to other subjects, while the Touhou fans are still talking about the same things for the last few years?

>>768700

Look at your picture.

I prefer Alice to be those "I love studying about magic so I'll spend the afternoon crafting animated dolls in my house" instead of "bawwww nobody likes me so I just cage myself in for the rest of my life" types 4chan seem to like.

>>768699
I think its interesting how lots of people gather and agree with character personalities, backgrounds and love interests and release great stories as doujins, all based on a STG with vague storyline.

>>768700
Honestly, there's not a whole lot of megaman porn. There is some but it's pretty meh.

>>768692
>are they written well?
Some are, some aren't. Simple as that.
>9 times out of 10 is it fucking "slice of life" bullshit?
I happen to enjoy the one-shot slice-of-life form many of them take.
>Is there any real character development?
Some do go much more indepth into the character's background, while others don't. The thing about the doujins is that there's something for everyone since such a wide variety of styles are covered.

>>768700

>Why is Touhou better than Megaman?

It isn't.

>Why aren't Megaman fans creaming their panties over Megaman 24/7

Because most fans of the series got into it in the NES and SNES era, and even the ones that started out on stuff like Zero are generally pretty dedicated and went back and beat the older games.

The games are challenging, and there's not really that much interesting story to go anywhere with it. People like them because of the well designed levels and boss fights, but mostly due to that fact that the people who play them tend to be fans of such games anyway, are usually not so full of themselves to praise the series endlessly.

>What does Touhou have that Megaman doesn't?

A shitty fanbase with lots of crappy doujins.

>>768692
>are they written well? (doubt it, fan project)
Just because something is done as a fan project does not mean it cannot be written well.

>Are they illustrated well? (eh, potentially)
Completely subjective. No use arguing this point.

>Are the stories interesting (or 9 times out of 10 is it fucking "slice of life" bullshit?)
Some people find "slice of life" interesting. There has to be people, else there would be no material made from it.

>Is there any real character development? (or does it have to stay the same overall because otherwise you end up with multiple people writing different brands of fiction? o lawd)
Depends on the particular story. There are definitely ones that flesh out their characters, but as is the general way of most fanfiction, everything is to be taken with a mound of salt.

>>768700
Judging from the number of mega man games, I'd say they didn't.

I wonder on what grounds did Rinnosuke change from indifferent shopkeeper into manly womanizer.

>>768733
Being the only humanoid male in Gensokyo. I actually like the canon Rinnosuke though and sort of shrug off the MANnosuke deal that a ton of people happen to lie.

>>768717

Isn't that a bloody given? If you start turning Reimu into a heartless psychopathic killing machine, people wouldn't agree because it doesn't really ft.

The options they're picking are just typically generic and more common ones. I can't name a single truly unique individual in the series.

>>768712

>I happen to enjoy the one-shot slice-of-life form many of them take.

Then there's no fucking point in it for me. I have never managed to enjoy any form of this genre aside from Azumanga Daioh.

>>768704
*Pop

>>768729

Capcom are the god of rehashers, that's a dumb example.
>Just because something is done as a fan project does not mean it cannot be written well.

Sure as hell means it's more likely to be worse though.

>Completely subjective. No use arguing this point.

Fine

>Some people find "slice of life" interesting. There has to be people, else there would be no material made from it.

Well I don't.

>>768692
While I won't say that I like each and every doujin individually (Mind you, I won't say no to Tohonifun), what I like about them is the way that they (Those that do, anyway) contribute to fleshing out a universe. When you look at how most doujins based off anything else contribute in nothing, only using characters oftentimes only to fulfill an author/artist's fantasie, it's pretty diheartening. But when you look at fanwork accepted into canon to shape out an universe, and people everywhere >>768717
, I think it's wonderful. One could say I'm not a fan of the doujins themselves, but rather a fan of what they stand for.

>>768746
>Well I don't.

Congratulations, you have just invalidated your entire argument with a single statement!

>>768739
"The options they're picking are just typically generic and more common ones. I can't name a single truly unique individual in the series."
People like more of the same. Why do you think there are so many Halo clones and GTA clones?
"Then there's no fucking point in it for me. I have never managed to enjoy any form of this genre aside from Azumanga Daioh." Other people like it. Get over it. That applies to every post you've written so far, btw.

>>768721
I want to hear a reply from a Touhoufag. You don't seem to be a Touhoufag.

As a potential game developer I'm more than curious about the reply.

>>768755

>One could say I'm not a fan of the doujins themselves, but rather a fan of what they stand for.

So...in other words you think the material is pretty lame but the movement is something good.

...that's really not explaining why the doujins are so hyped and loved.

>>768739
>Isn't that a bloody given? If you start turning Reimu into a heartless psychopathic killing machine, people wouldn't agree because it doesn't really ft.
There are people that enjoy some of these types of personalities. For example, a heartless psychopathic type of Reimu can be found in Koumakyou. And then there's stuff such as Cho-Marisa.

>Then there's no fucking point in it for me. I have never managed to enjoy any form of this genre aside from Azumanga Daioh.
Then you don't have to read them. But be aware of the fact that not reading through and being knowledgable about the subject matter you are trying to debate about is self-defeating and is generally looked down upon.

>Well I don't.
Some people don't like jrpgs, but do you see them bitching endlessly about it?
...actually, yeah you do. The point is, just because you don't like it doesn't mean nobody's allowed to.
It boils down to imposing your views on others, but we already established that.

>>768762

I'm the same guy arguing with everyone else right now.

>People like more of the same. Why do you think there are so many Halo clones and GTA clones?

Because it sells.

If it's really a piece of fanwork, it shouldn't be under the constraints of selling.

>Other people like it. Get over it. That applies to every post you've written so far, btw.

Then why fucking say that there's stuff in it for everyone?

>>768765
Well, there are some pretty awesome doujin circles (Tohonifun comes to mind), and the vast amount of characters make for great porn. Then again, you're asking me to explain OPINIONS, and it's not within my power to decide people's taste.

>>768765
The TH doujin works are no less than the usual doujin stuff people release at comiket. I don't know what are you expecting from them.

Look, let me just make this clear AGAIN.

I am not arguing that the games are bad.

I'm not arguing that the doujins specifically are BAD, I just am not interested in them and cannot fathom why anyone would pick the games as a subject for them due to the total lack of characterization anywhere, and the rather pathetic stories done in the games themselves.

If the doujins really do encompass something huge and different then why don't they do their own original projects?

Why mooch off another one? Doesn't that just give unnecessary constraints if they're trying to actually be creative?


The OTHER complaint is the fanbase, which for the most part, I repeat, MOST PART, either don't play, have little interest, or are just plain terrible at the games and have never really seen the good side of them.

Why the hell do so many of them consider it acceptable to be such a huge "fan" of a series when the barely dedicate time at all into the actual games and instead hype themselves over fanfiction?

>>768789

The way everybody keeps going on about them and hyping them you'd expect them to at least be above average on what such stuff is usually like.

I got into Touhou because of a vid on Youtube, and let me tell you: I love the games,and I love its fanbase more than another one.
Why? I dont know and I dont care why, but im not going to lose my interest on Touhou because some people say its shit, or its doesnt sell well, also said with no source, or any random BAW crap.
Its ok, there are people that may dont like Touhou, but do we spill shit on your interests?

BTW, if its sooo unpopular, how do you explain ( without trolling ), high costing events like Reitaisai?

>Then why fucking say that there's stuff in it for everyone?
It's a statement used to describe the wide variety involved in the Touhou doujins, not to be taken completely literally.

Seriously, you've got your mind so set against Touhou, there's really no point in trying to show you why we enjoy it.

Games are meant to be played. Not debated about. So stfu and go play Something. The lot of you.

>>768810

...which have basically no relevance to the games and are mostly entirely dedicated to doujins and arrangements...


Nice going.


You love the fanbase? Hahaha, oh wow.

>>768823
>basically no relevance to the games

SWR and SA.

touhou got its own conventions in asia. no other doujin got this much privileges.

>>768811

>It's a statement used to describe the wide variety involved in the Touhou doujins, not to be taken completely literally.

Not really that wide if it's nearly all slice of life is it?


>Seriously, you've got your mind so set against Touhou, there's really no point in trying to show you why we enjoy it.

I enjoy the games. I like the music for the most part (remixes aside, most of the source tunes are great)

I don't hate Touhou, I hate the fanbase and the lack of point of any of the doujins.

/jp/ - Touhou/Flamewars

>>768795
>If the doujins really do encompass something huge and different then why don't they do their own original projects?

They aren't huge and different. They are good, but it's made from fans to fans. If you don't like the characters probably you won't enjoy it as much as a fan would. They are exceptions, I think a moderate part of the people here became fans because of the doujins.

>Why the hell do so many of them consider it acceptable to be such a huge "fan" of a series when the barely dedicate time at all into the actual games and instead hype themselves over fanfiction?

Ask them. I played and appreciate most of the games, but I can't blame people that don't like STG but enjoy the TH universe with all its fanmade works.

>>768823

Yup, I do. Your point?

>>768795
BECAUSE of the huge fanbase. That's why they mooch. Even if it's as irrational as the Halo fanbase, there's nothing you can do about it and it doesn't hurt anyone. Quality is subjective, and some people think Touhou is awesome.

>>768833

Doujins are supposed to have a point? There's just vehicles for the author to embellish his own stories involving pre-existing characters. They aren't supposed to have a "point".

>>768826

Yeah, and how much did those sell in comparison to the doujin material?


Right.

>>768830

Which just furthers the point on how big the fanbase is. The point is the convention focuses on the doujin material instead of the games.

They don't go there and play the games together and check hiscores and have IAMP and SWR tournies. They go there to buy arrangements and fanmade doujins.

It just enforces my point.

How the fuck did suggesting to an anon how to get into Touhou turn into a shitstorm about ZUN's work being fleshed out by third parties?

There are canon info about the characters in oficial manga and oficial books.

>>768846
Troll of the decade came by.

>>768846
Because anon has the attention span of a 7 year-old kid with ADHD and the rage potential of a 20th level barbarian. Moot agreed, don't bother him about it.

Biggest shitstorm since that one guy came into that Touhou music thread and began preaching about his tastes in music.

>>768843
That's because they have other times for tournaments. Conventions in japan are almost entirely dedicated to buying and selling. They aren't anything like the abortions held in the west.

>>768843
Im pretty sure everyone that went to R5 bought SWR and SA demo. And you can't compare how much one product sold against hundreds of other products, it doesn't make sense, but still, SWR and SA demo sold out almost immediately.

>>768795
>rather pathetic stories done in the games themselves.
For this exact reason. When some people play a game, they are not satisfied with what they are given. They crave more. And so they make more.

>If the doujins really do encompass something huge and different then why don't they do their own original projects?
>Why mooch off another one? Doesn't that just give unnecessary constraints if they're trying to actually be creative?
Some find restraints to actually be helpful for creativity. Not everyone can start with a blank canvas and create a work of art.

>The OTHER complaint is the fanbase, which for the most part, I repeat, MOST PART, either don't play, have little interest, or are just plain terrible at the games and have never really seen the good side of them.
>Why the hell do so many of them consider it acceptable to be such a huge "fan" of a series when the barely dedicate time at all into the actual games and instead hype themselves over fanfiction?
The "good" side of the game is completely subjective. One might believe the best part of the game is the music, of which with only a single playthrough, they can have nearly all of it collected.
And "barely any time" is relative to the game. Must one play through ten times, a hundred, a thousand times for it to be enough to be a fan? This is also dependant on the person themself, however, and how infatuated they become with the material. There is no set play requirement to become a fan.

>>768840

>quality is subjective

No.

The quality of something is not subjective.

Whether you enjoy something or not is subjective. You can enjoy something that is bad the same as you can enjoy something good.

If the first book you ever read when you don't have a particulary strong grasp on the english language is a pretty basic read, you may think it's very good, as you have no comparisons, and you've got no other experience. You enjoyed it.

As time passes, perhaps you read some more books, and decided that in fact, the first book you read was pretty bad.

This doesn't take away the fact you enjoyed it, it just enforces the fact that what you enjoyed was bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcJI5U9CPDc
nuff said.

>>768889

This is now a Mentos thread.

>>768867
Are you talking about the guy that kept complaining that touhou doujin music wasn't dynamic, and everyone kept telling him that if he wanted non-repetitive music then the stuff wasn't for him, but he kept arguing anyway? He kept naming all these genres that were dynamic as examples that it DID exist, and we said "Well yeah, but touhou doujin music isn't any of those genres."

But he kept arguing anyway.

>>768867

I'm the same guy funnily enough.

>>768869

Oh

Fair enough.

>>768870

That's an even worse comparison. How can you compare something that was in such little stock to the things that are stocked much higher?

>For this exact reason. When some people play a game, they are not satisfied with what they are given. They crave more. And so they make more.

So in the end we enjoyed our touhoes while bitter Anonymous watched from the background. "How can they enjoy it something that I don't!? Impossible!"

>>768879
you are an idiot and I hope you die.

>>768897

>"Well yeah, but touhou doujin music isn't any of those genres."

Well why the fuck isn't it?

>>768902

NEW IDEAS

FUCK, SHUN THEM

>>768899
>I'm the same guy funnily enough.

Well, that's it. Topic's over, guys, since there's no point in saying anything.

The point of doujins: Touhou doujins have no point other than to entertain unless they get excepted as canon, case in which they now fit storyline purposes.

Why so much people got into Touhou: They found something they like in it. They wanted to add something. Bandwagon effect. Rejects looking for somewhere to go. I don't know. Nobody can explain this, we'd have to survey every touhoufag. Stop arguing about this, it's dumb and pointless, we can't reach an answer. Don't try to explains people's taste. You can't. and don't demand an explaination for people's taste.

Second point is revelant about this argument, moreso than the first one.

Japan can be heartless, this could even make touhou explode to the game world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9mVq2kZ9co&eurl=http://blog.seiha.org/?p=744

I still remember the old days on /a/ when the Touhou hijacks first started. So one day I finally decided to sit down and play the game and I was completely disappointed. It's not that it wasn't good or anything, it was just meh. You guys made it out to be a legendary game. I've played every game worth mentioning since 1994. If I was to make a list of my top 200 favorite games of all time list Touhou probably wouldn't make it on said list.

I had a similar experience with visual novels. My anti weeaboo pride always told me to avoid visual novels. So one day on /a/ I finally decided to give into the hype. So I played Yume Miru Kusuri. Bricks were shat. I knew at that very moment why people love visual novels so much. Now if Touhou left me with such a good impression I wouldn't be calling you guys Touhou fags right now. Is there something from Touhou that I'm missing?

Because there are like 3 people in the world that actually like those genres, and none of them are both touhou fans and musicians.

>>768908

>Don't try to explains people's taste.

Why not?

What's so impossible to explain about it?

>They wanted to add something. Bandwagon effect. Rejects looking for somewhere to go.

Aha! So you do ultimately agree, it's mostly people wanting to fit in.

Guess I finally got my point in somewhere.

>The point of doujins: Touhou doujins have no point other than to entertain unless they get excepted as canon, case in which they now fit storyline purposes.

>>768915
>Because there are like 3 people in the world that actually like those genres,

lol

>and none of them are both touhou fans and musicians.

I think I just proved you wrong didn't I?

>>768917
>No, what's the point in making them specifically about Touhou?

Because they like the game? Because they like how certain character is depicted? Because it sells well (as of late)? Artist might have lots of reasons.

>>768916
;_;

>But why start caring about the fucking stories? What's there to make you crave?
Nothing. But again, that is exactly my point.

>No, barely any time refers to the fact that it's likely that they'd play it maybe once or twice then leave it forever.
And in other genres, this would be perfectly fine. I can call myself a fan of some RPGs, and I have never played most of them more than once.

>You do not call yourself a "fan" of a book if you read the first 4 pages do you? You don't call yourself a "fan" of a band if you like about half of one song you heard do you?
I do not believe I said this. I do agree that making a judgement based on only a tiny portion of something is not enough to call oneself a fan of it. But one playthough of the entire thing is more than enough, in my opinion.

>>768917

You've missed this part

>I don't know. Nobody can explain this, we'd have to survey every touhoufag.

>>768917
Because often times people don't know why they like something themselves. Good lucky getting them to translate something they don't quite understand into words you can understand

>>768917
>Why not?
>What's so impossible to explain about it?
Now you're just trying to be a prick.

>Aha! So you do ultimately agree, it's mostly people wanting to fit in.
>Guess I finally got my point in somewhere.
Pay more attention to the 'I don't know. Nobody can explain this, we'd have to survey every touhoufag. Stop arguing about this, it's dumb and pointless, we can't reach an answer. Don't try to explains people's taste. You can't. and don't demand an explaination for people's taste.' part.

>No, what's the point in making them specifically about Touhou?
See previous point. Zun made Touhou. People liked it and got into it. We don't know why. We can't explain peoples tastes.

>>768926

>Because they like the game?

that's not a real explanation when the premise relies on having to come up with your own shit so much.

If you wanna write a story about a preset world with characters and shit, usually there's some decent backstory and general knowledge about shit to base stuff off, you don't have to work very hard besides knowing how to write well to make it come out in a good manner.

If you're basically inventing most of it, what's the point in directly tying it to the game? Even if you liked the game specifically, you're not really liking the characters or anything, since you came up with those yourself!

>Because they like how certain character is depicted?

Again, barely any fleshed out characteristics at all.

>Because it sells well (as of late)?

worst reason ever to do FAN work.

>>768830
I've kept out of this so far, but I have to call you on this. Touhou is FAR from the only thing to have doujin conventions of its own.

The Nanoha doujin scene has three (IIRC, might only be two) entirely separate conventions a year, for example.

>>worst reason ever to do FAN work.

And what is a good reason to do FAN work?

>>768916
Its a question of tastes.
You may like or you may not.
I wont kill my friend because he likes Lemon Juice a lot, and i cant stand lemon, right?

Those who call eachother xfag are the real fags.
Why cant everybody here go back and do what he likes? I find this thread a waste of time...

Return me my wasted 15 minutes of reading this shit, lol.

>>768946

He'll say something like "because they like it."

There are many types of doujinshi artists out there. Some are self-sacrificing and are willing to spend long hours for nothing at all. Some are threatened by the great ZUN himself. And some just want a quick profit, but whatever. Let's generalize everyone. That's always fun.

>>768941

No. It's not like they are working with absolutely nothing. The fans idea of a character is usually setup and agreed on. Except on new characters, in which it takes time. Fanartists start with ideas taken from the game, like Tenshi being a bitch, and sometimes it succeeds in convincing the fans, sometimes it doesn't. But if its canon, its canon even though some artists go against it.

Enough of this. It's getting kinda tiresome. We could go on forever, I think.

>>768922
Not really. You can ask "why not" all day long, but it won't change the fact that nobody makes touhou doujin music in those genres, so arguing over it is pointless.

Besides, nobody's going to put money into producing and manufacting a CD and securing a table at a convention just to sell something as niche as noise. It's just not feasible.

tl;dr you're dumb and the entire conversation is dumb, I'm ignoring you from now on.

You keep asking why people made doujins in the first place, even though they had almost poor material to work with. The point is that they did anyways, and we like the result. I think either you're looking at the situation too rationally, or we're too oblivious about our own real reasons for enjoying Touhou. I think it's both with heavy emphasis on the former.

>>768934

>Nothing. But again, that is exactly my point.

That is not a "point"

How can one crave a story based off characters if there isn't anything to create a craving in the first place?

>And in other genres, this would be perfectly fine. I can call myself a fan of some RPGs, and I have never played most of them more than once.

Except RPGs are a lot longer and have more substance than SHMUPs, fail less.

>I do not believe I said this. I do agree that making a judgement based on only a tiny portion of something is not enough to call oneself a fan of it. But one playthough of the entire thing is more than enough, in my opinion.

On a mode which doesn't encompass the best qualities of a game, and for a genre that is practically dedicated to multiple playthroughs and is very short anyway?

Yeah.

Right.
>>768940
>Now you're just trying to be a prick.
No, I'm fucking honest, what makes you so sure it's impossible?

>Pay more attention to the 'I don't know. Nobody can explain this, we'd have to survey every touhoufag. Stop arguing about this, it's dumb and pointless, we can't reach an answer. Don't try to explains people's taste. You can't. and don't demand an explaination for people's taste.' part.


And you still haven't explained this.

>See previous point. Zun made Touhou. People liked it and got into it. We don't know why. We can't explain peoples tastes.

That isn't anything to do with why the doujins should be about it.

>>768939
>Because often times people don't know why they like something themselves.

Anyone who doesn't know why they like something ultimately fails at analytical thought in any sort of way.

Going along with "oh hey i like this, because I like it" is the most stupidly carefree example of living ever, and merely denotes an unhealthy mind.

>>768949

people unconciously seek enemies and allies in any social field, on this example, the internet, they want to belong in a group.

usually the purpose of a group according to human instincts, its to face another group, if you can identify in ANY social group of the internet, only 2 facts are universally a good conversation topic.

Sex-related jokes and experiences
having a common enemy.

If only human instinct evolved you would stop watching so many people call each other fags on the internet.

>Going along with "oh hey i like this, because I like it" is the most stupidly carefree example of living ever, and merely denotes an unhealthy mind.
Oh, well that's unfortunate.

>>768946

Because you like doing something.

>>768958

Except the concepts have to come up in the first place, and that's still something that they pull almost entirely out of nothing.

>Not really. You can ask "why not" all day long, but it won't change the fact that nobody makes touhou doujin music in those genres, so arguing over it is pointless.
>Besides, nobody's going to put money into producing and manufacting a CD and securing a table at a convention just to sell something as niche as noise. It's just not feasible.

because it doesn't sell?

Oh so the entire thing burns down to money.

Enjoy being exactly the same and just as bad as fucking pop music, where it's all made for the fucking money instead of being about loving what you create.

>You keep asking why people made doujins in the first place, even though they had almost poor material to work with. The point is that they did anyways, and we like the result.

How is that the point? I want to know the REASON, just blindly accepting things is stupid.

>I think either you're looking at the situation too rationally, or we're too oblivious about our own real reasons for enjoying Touhou. I think it's both with heavy emphasis on the former.

More like emphasis on the latter, nobody's explained a good point here at all.

>>768968
You. Stop pushing buttons and go troll somewhere more resistant to it if you want to feel superior. You're not proving your intelligence by riding something like this into the ground, just your stubbornness.

>>768949
>I wont kill my friend because he likes Lemon Juice a lot, and i cant stand lemon, right?

You better not be talking shit about Lemon juice.

Here's where you are wrong. Liking lemon juice and obsessing over Lemon juice is two very different things. If your friend was obsessing over lemon juice don't you have the right to ask him what the fuck is he doing? Replace the words "lemon juice" with "Touhou."

Ahhh.. another peaceful day in /jp/.

>>768995

Annnd you're proving shit all except you like a last word.

>>768997
>If your friend was obsessing over lemon juice don't you have the right to ask him what the fuck is he doing?

And if her responded with "I just fucking love lemon juice, deal with it bitch", you'd have no right to take it any further. Irrational likes and dislikes are exactly that - irrational.

People don't work logically.

>>769006
I wasn't attempting to prove anything. I just think the only reason you're doing this is because you're bored and want to see how long you can get people to react to being prodded.

>>768997
>If your friend was obsessing over lemon juice don't you have the right to ask him what the fuck is he doing?
I don't really care. It might be a bit weird, but as long as he's not killing someone over it, I don't need to see his motive.

I think there's some sort of mindset barrier here, and I need to come to some sort of enlightenment before I start looking into my soul to explain why I like something.

>Except the concepts have to come up in the first place, and that's still something that they pull almost entirely out of nothing.

The concepts exist. In the game. Its vague but it's still there. And whoever wants to do an Alice doujin, there is already an entire personality molded for her, from the game, altered and agreed on by the fans.

>>769009

Except even irrational factors can be entirely explained if you analyze the person, their understandings of said things, their backgrounds, etc.

He might like it so much because it was all he drank as a kid for example. Or maybe he associates it with a very fond memory.

Or maybe he's addicted to it.

Reasons for everything.

>>768968
Ok, I'm waiting for an explanation of why I don't like tomatos.

>That isn't anything to do with why the doujins should be about it.
They liked Touhou more than other options they had, so they made doujins about it. Or maybe Zun is blackmailing an entire community.

>>769019
Most of us can't see that though. You see things differently, and you want to see the clockwork behind everything. That would actually be an admirable trait if you weren't such an elitist faggot about it.

>>769027
>see the clockwork behind everything.

>>769011
I don't know why he's doing it but I'm just doing this out of curiosity. I see this thread as research for my future career as a game programmer. What is it that makes the Touhoufags tick? What does ZUN have that I don't?

>>769015

>I think there's some sort of mindset barrier here, and I need to come to some sort of enlightenment before I start looking into my soul to explain why I like something.

because you should do it about anything anyway.

Not doing so merely means you'll never give enough thought to anything about anything. If you don't question anything, if you don't think, you're just going to spend your life wandering around not really caring about anything.


Not thinking is the worst thing you can do as a human being. We have a fucking gift to be able to do this shit, and we just let it sit back and enjoy the moment?

Fuck that, and fuck everyone who does that. It's a fucking sin against everything that makes humanity such a fantastic thing.

>>769016

But why go to the effort of pulling it out of the game when there's so little to go off?

Why not original content?

>>769027

But the thing is you can't. Sure you can understand everything if you have the entire background to every single thing, but the problem is that you don't. There are limitless amounts of possibilities in why you do something and part of it might be something as small as a change in one degree centigrade. There's a reason why we don't arrest people just because they follow certain behavioral patterns. He may mumble to himself and he may like sharp pointy things, but that doesn't make him a killer.

>>768997
Im really sorry! ill never say anything else about Lemon Juice! lol

But yeah youve got a point, but maybe i was talking more from my own point of view, I mean, Im not obsessed with Touhou, but i still like playing its games from time to time, reading some lighthearted doujins about its characters, or even listen to some of its music. I hope this means no obsession, lol.

Anyways, you got it right.But its the same with Touhou, Lemon Juice or anything in earth.

Fuck my engrish.

>Fuck that, and fuck everyone who does that. It's a fucking sin against everything that makes humanity such a fantastic thing.
Man, you're in the wrong place for that sort of stuff.

>>769049
There's a difference between thinking and OVER thinking. We have the 'gift' of intelligence, but it's limited and straining it just results in an early death from heart failure. The human mind can only comprehend so much, and why live a tortured existence trying to know everything when you could just live an enjoyable sedentary life?

Ignorance is bliss.

>>769024

>Ok, I'm waiting for an explanation of why I don't like tomatos.

don't know enough about you to really explain it.

Texture reminds you of something else you dislike?

You don't like the color red?

Particular taste associated with a negative action?

>They liked Touhou more than other options they had, so they made doujins about it. Or maybe Zun is blackmailing an entire community.

Ugh, again, I've explained this, but their like of such things has to be very high to bother delving so deep into it to make it, when there's shit all for material, yes?

What makes it so interesting in the first place?

>>769027

Damn fucking right I'm elitist about it. Everyone should do it, I already elaborated on it before.

Becoming like mindless sheep is practically all people seem to do at any given age in history. Only the people that think ever change anything.

I'm still waiting for an explanation of why I don't like tomatoes. If somebody here can explain the tastes of an entire community who likes Touhou doujins/Touhou in general, surely someone can explain my dislike of tomatoes.

>>769049
>But why go to the effort of pulling it out of the game

This is not brain surgery, it isn't something frustrating to do. Process goes like this: artist finds about game, reads doujin about Alice, says "Oh Alice is so cute, I wanna be part of this community and make a doujin about her and Marisa because I enjoy her character and enjoy Touhou as a whole". People mostly do stuff because they like it. Doesn't sound very rational does it?

>>769080
But this is exactly his point. You cannot explain how another develops their tastes. Not without knowing every single thing they have ever experienced, something even the person themself does not know. It is a futile effort for a theoretically possible action.

>>769080
>don't know enough about you to really explain it.
>Texture reminds you of something else you dislike?
>You don't like the color red?
>Particular taste associated with a negative action?
And you expect someone here to explain the tastes of an entire fucking community while you can't do this simple thing? Surely you jest.

>>769087

Because you touch yourself at night.

>>769079

And knowledge is power.


It's only as limited as we let it be. We leave over 2/3s of our brain power untapped, because we never use the fucking thing for anything.

>The human mind can only comprehend so much, and why live a tortured existence trying to know everything when you could just live an enjoyable sedentary life?

because I detest the idea of being the latter. I could never ever resign myself to living in such fake peacefulness, it would be entirely fake.

>>769060

And that's why I'm asking. I want to know why, but nobody is fucking answering the question properly.

>>769080
>Only the people that think ever change anything.

What's so great about changing the world? I'm still gonna die at some point, almost certainly within a century. Why should I care about how much better the world could be in 150 years?

>I like Touhou because I simply do. An opinion is an opinion.

Well I didn't see this one coming. Now the Touhoufags are falling back on the "I like it because I just do" bullshit.

I'll explain to you why you don't have an answer for your blatant fanboyism. It's because you're blinded by your own ignorance. I like Gurren Lagannn, and if anybody was to say x show from the mecha genre was better than it, you bet your ass I would have multiple arguments explaining why they're wrong. You're pseudo argument is proof of your weak taste in entertainment. Perhaps Touhou is only good because your in-experienced mind thinks it's good.

>If you don't question anything, if you don't think, you're just going to spend your life wandering around not really caring about anything.
And you're in /jp/ of all places? You'd get better results from /v/, and I'm not kidding.

>>769102
>>769100

I'm asking you because you're in that group that DOES like it.

I'm asking your view, ANYONE WHO IS FUCKING READING THIS, I WANT TO KNOW.

I WANT TO KNOW.

I have to apply it from all the views I get to get the best kind of answer I can.

>>769097

We're just going full circle here, the point is WHAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT IT IN THE FIRST PLACE?

What inspired someone to make a doujin of the game before there was even a fanon for it? What was so fucking astounding that they did it for that game and not their own little basis?

>>769113

so people remember you, basically its the only thing we can leave after we die, its better than nothing for me at least, I can be in a deathbed and console myself to death that "at least someone will remember what I did" wheter it was writing a book or something.

The oddest thing about this troll is that he's (reasonably) well-written, and knows several buttons to push - though not enough to keep this going for much longer.

First-year Psych student maybe?

>I'm asking you because you're in that group that DOES like it.
>Not without knowing every single thing they have ever experienced, something even the person themself does not know.

>>769113

You don't have the change it

That's the BEAUTY of it.

Thinking gives you the fucking CHOICE.

You can't change it now can you? Could you if thought more? Yes, but would you?

Entirely.

Your.

Call.

>>769121

/v/ is utter shit right now. And this has been bugging me for months.

>>769130

I'm not trolling. I'm serious.

>>769129
I don't give a fuck about people remembering me. It doesn't help me out one iota while I'm alive, and when I'm dead I'll have no use for it.

>>769141
I note that you didn't respond to my guess. Was it correct?

>>769127
>What inspired someone to make a doujin of the game before there was even a fanon for it? What was so fucking astounding that they did it for that game and not their own little basis?

Full circle indeed. I said it before. Its because of the game being good, and some artist saying "Hey this game is good, Imma make fanart with these characters since what the hell, Im an artist and I like drawing whatever I like." then they found out there were other people that liked it and said, "hey what about if I publish a doujin with TH characters next comiket? It will be fun, I will make a ReimuxMarisa doujin since I like that pairing in my mind"...and it became a snowball effect and like that the fanon started consolidating. Like I said before, people may have liked the game because of the music or the gameplay, it varies.

>>769141

Don't mind him. He's just misusing and abusing Anon's traditional words. He's the reason why the words GAR, Epic, and newfag died out.

>>769141

Also, I'm a high school dropout.

No, seriously. Getting degrees would only bag you either a desk job where you're a useless cog in a machine you never see the results of, or maybe researching somebody else's theories.


Fuck anyone having to TELL you what to think or how to see through this kind of crap.
That's another thing I can't stand.

Right now? I'm doing my own thing. I'm looking into people from all over the world, all different demographs.

I wanna understand all of them, and make a conciscive collection of everything that humanity is and defaults itself into.

Maybe if I ever manage to get far enough I'd like to try to do something about it, beyond just yelling at people to change their ways.

But I doubt I will. But by god I know somebody else will come along and WILL pick up this torch and help me continue on dragging humanity out of the fucking horrible cesspit we're in right now.

>>769160

Gameplay mechanics and music don't make likable characters.

You're still not explaining what the appeal is in the unfleshed out characters in the game.

>>769127
Guess what? I'm not the group. I'm me, and nobody else. I can't speak for the group. I don't know everything about every single person in the group. I can't explain everything for the group. And nobody here can. Maybe if you could summon the group as an entity?

Also, see >>769136
Nice to see you can carelessly shoot yourself in the foot. Maybe you should inquire deeper in the hows and why you did it.

>>769180
Ahhhh, I see. You're one of those "alternative education" people.

AKA pot-smoking whackjobs.

GTFO.

>>769108

Global warming, changes in diet, chemical imbalances in the brain, past trauma, etc. It can be any of these really. If you really want to know what makes touhoufags tick, then you'll have to track them all down, interview them, and put them under the knife later.

If you want my guess, I say there's two reasons for the current interest in touhou doujinshi: 1) they don't want things to end. 2) they're curious

Number 1 is pretty easy. A lot of people complain when their favourite series end so they constantly want a new sequel, a sidestory, a whatever. The touhou universe gives them that. As long as the fandom stays, it'll never end. There will always be something happening with the NEET princess and there will always be something happening with Cirno.

Number 2 is pretty simple as well. For this, I assume that interests in touhou happens after going through both games and doujinshi (since this is what people usually suggest). The game offers a brief glimpse and the doujinshi fills them in.

Blah blah random stuff that I think... I won't type anymore since it might just be a wasted effort. I'll be on standby then.

>>769193

Get some comprehension skills

I'm asking your personal input so I can from a group input from multiple responses you retard.

>>769199

I tried pot before but didn't like what it did with my head.

I was relaxed but my focus had gone.

So no.


And I'm not telling you fags to do the same thing, make your own fucking choice. But damn, THINK at least.

>>769200

You are officially the first person in this entire thread to start providing some real answers.

Thank you.

>>769205
We did give some idea as to why we personally like it, but all of a sudden, you decide to tell us that either we're wrong, or you want us to tell you why another, completely different person likes Touhou.

>>769215

No, none of you have given any real examples at all. You've vaguely speculated on potentials instead of explaining it.

>>769192
As in they are in the game, not the best example. ZUN's no writer. But why people make fanart of games? Because they enjoyed them. It's not a concept hard to grasp, except if you want me to explain why people enjoy things. Of course the main characters being human opened a new whole of possible stories between them, if they were spaceships it wouldn't be so interesting I guess. What I mean, they liked the game, and took their characters and created their own stories because they liked said game.

>You're still not explaining what the appeal is in the unfleshed out characters in the game.
There is little to no appeal in the game. Which is why people made that appeal for them. They are drawn, for whatever reasons, to fill in the holes that ZUN left behind. I cannot vouch for their reasons, nor can I even begin to understand why. If perhaps you wish to know, inquire of them their reasoning.

>>769220
Noone can truly understand themselves. It's a physical impossibility.

Me? I like Touhou because the characters amuse me, and the games are hard enough that I gain a sense of wanting to be good enough to beat them on Lunatic, but not enough to actually bother trying that hard. That's really about it.

>>769223

fanart isn't the same as stories.

Fanart is to do with the character design and appeal it holds along with other factors.
FanFICTION is to do with the interest within the story of the topic itself. As you have said, ZUN is no writer, so why take interest in mediocre stories and create elaborate fanfiction out of them?

>>769220

>You are officially the first person in this entire thread to start providing some real answers.

;_; You lied to me!

>>769233

>Noone can truly understand themselves. It's a physical impossibility.

Bullshit.

>

Me? I like Touhou because the characters amuse me, and the games are hard enough that I gain a sense of wanting to be good enough to beat them on Lunatic, but not enough to actually bother trying that hard. That's really about it.

So in other words, you're easily amused and like pretending that you play hard games, meaning you have an inflated ego.

>There is little to no appeal in the game. Which is why people made that appeal for them. They are drawn, for whatever reasons, to fill in the holes that ZUN left behind. I cannot vouch for their reasons, nor can I even begin to understand why. If perhaps you wish to know, inquire of them their reasoning.

This is sheer idiocy, how many times do I have to repeat myself?

For them to do it in the first place, there would have HAD to be appeal.

If there is NO appeal, that is NOT a valid reason to create appeal, because APPEAL IS NEEDED to want to make more.

>>769238
Because they liked the game as a whole and wanted to create something out of it. And fanart can be very descriptive of the character current pesonality.

>>769261

Then why not write a bloody fanfic about, say, DoDonPachi, if you like shmups so much.

Same concept.

>>769268

>Of course the main characters being human opened a new whole of possible stories between them, if they were spaceships it wouldn't be so interesting I guess.

>>769275

Use the pilots.

Make the spaceships living things.

Make the spaceships really just a small segment of a massive war.

ETC.

>>769283

Thats harder to do than your usual love pairing. And besides DoDonPachi lacks moe and appeal.

>>769254
>If there is NO appeal, that is NOT a valid reason to create appeal, because APPEAL IS NEEDED to want to make more.
Not necessarily. Let's say we have a dirty, plain, white wall. To me, no appeal at all. It is there, and it does what it does fine, but I have no interest in it. However, if I were to clean up that wall, polish, decorate it with paint and pictures, then it would have appeal to me. There is happiness and fulfillment to be found in chipping away at a dull, uninteresting rock to form a statue. There is enjoyment to be found in taking a plain slab of ice and creating a sculpture out of it.

>>769254
>So in other words, you're easily amused and like pretending that you play hard games, meaning you have an inflated ego.

First part, yes. I am easily amused. I don't see this a negative thing, since it counterbalances the depressive swings.

Second part, no. I never claim to be good at danmaku, just that I like playing them.

>>769293

Flawed example.

To dedicate that much time into it, there must have been a set characteristic of the wall that made you decide to improve upon it. Perhaps the fact that it was so desolate in the first place.

That in itself is appeal.

>>769290

So the doujin makers are just lazy?

>Perhaps the fact that it was so desolate in the first place.
>That in itself is appeal.

>There is little to no appeal in the game. Which is why people made that appeal for them.

>>769302

>that I like playing them

Because, as far as I can tell, you enjoy the prospect of beating it on hard, but never do as you would ultimately lack the commitment to do so.

This also lends itself to the factor of when you brag about games you play it comes up as something that you are PROUD of playing, thus meaning you have a big ego and are self conscious.

>>769310

No, but doing such a thing like you said would be very ambitious and most DoDonPachi players wouldn't really care about it since they don't care about the stupid spaceships, well, maybe Hibachi. Little girls have more appeal in Japan and here too.

>>769319

Learn to read

"little to no"

"desolate"

Entirely different.

>>769220
Ugh, alright, alright.

I actually used to prefer adventure games, fighting games, and RPGs, mostly for their characters and storylines. However, I eventually came upon Ikaruga, had a ton of fun with it, which eventually introduces me to Touhou. Going back in time again for more background info...

As for the animu, I usually read and watched long anime/manga series. After watching Millennium Actress and Perfect Blue, I became instantly interested in anime films, and I now generally enjoy a good anime movie rather than a good anime series. In manga, after being introduced to HOTEL in /a/, I instantly fell in love with the short storytelling methods one-shots utilize, but I still had a fair amount of love for manga series. Azumanga introduced me to slice-of life, however, Aria sealed the deal and made the slow-paced slice-of-life massively appealing to me.

Music tastes usually focus on instrumental, off-vocal arrangements.

Introduce Touhou. I played the shooting games, didn't see much appeal, until I played Shoot the Bullet. I absolutely loved it even though I sucked all sorts of balls in it. I've never beaten it. I don't think I've even beaten Keine, but I had all sorts of fun trying new things in it. Then when IaMP came along, I enjoyed it massively as well. I played tons of Guilty Gear, Tekken, Street Fighter and stuff, but I've never really played a fighting with suck a strong emphasis on projectiles and zoning. Fell in love with it. Around this point, I became interested in the various doujin works. I preferred the instrumental musicals, but that was basically expected. I didn't enjoy Tohonifun that much, and a lot of the overly dramatic romance dealies didn't make the doujin scene very interesting at first. However, with some deep digging, I've found my niche in there and enjoy "boring" trash like FLIPFLOPs and some of Fuantei. From then on, it just snowballed.

Shoot up some questions for more info if you really need it.

>>769325

Not being ambitious is the same as being lazy.

If they are lazy and resort to the generic sort of situations that would sell well, then it's clearly just about money, meaning it's not really "fanwork" at all.

>>769330
>Desolate - bare
>Bare - lacking in amplitude or quantity
I do believe "little" fits the "lacking in quantity" part quite well.

>>769323
>This also lends itself to the factor of when you brag about games you play it comes up as something that you are PROUD of playing, thus meaning you have a big ego and are self conscious.

When did I ever say I was "proud" of playing them? It's just something I do on occasion, not an achievement. Why would I be proud of it?

Also I don't brag about the games I play. I only brought it up at all because you've been asking five million times in this thread. I think maybe four people max might know that I play shmups at all, and maybe two of those would know what a "bullet hell" one is.

>300 replies

>>769342
Lazy is a positive trait. A lazy person is efficient at what they do, since they see no reason to waste time and energy in order to appear busier than they actually are.

>>769342

Hah, so you mean they did it for the money back in 2004 when nobody cared? Surely you jest. Why can't artist enjoy doing some good and old yuri pairing doujin of a game they seemed to enjoy? Why they should do only ambitious stuff? They are happy doing just that, and so do we, why go further?

>>769350

Online thesaruses to dictionaries are a pretty pathetic arguing tool.

Desolate means that there is NOTHING there.

LITERALLY NOTHING. If you want to nitpick, fine, let's rephrase and say that the wall was UTTERLY FUCKING BLANK, like a NEW CANVAS.

The kind of NEW CANVAS that you can work an entire basis for yourself off.

Touhou is more like a wall where you can only paint on a few parts and only use certain pieces of decoration in certain places.


>>769332

Wait, you liked Fighters for their storylines?

Also, can you elaborate more on the musical part? Specific genres, hell, even bands/composers would be great.


What was so appealing about STB?

Any examples of prefered arrangements that you preffered?


Do you think you read slice of life stories to stimulate or attempt to grasp the things surrounding social situations and the like, and do you think that is related to your interest in characters and storylines in previous games?

Could the interest in shorter material be due to a lack of attention span?

>>769382
TIME ROR A REVERSAL

WE SHALL ASK YOU QUESTIONS

FIRST QUESTION

WHY ARE YOU SUCH AN ANUS?

>>769351

>and the games are hard enough that I gain a sense of wanting to be good enough to beat them on Lunatic

Strongly implies you gain a sense of self worth from doing so.

Also being lazy.

>>769359

Very funny. Not going to waste time on this.

>>769374

Hah, I was right after all.

It burns down to being content in not really questioning or going for things in a stronger manner than usual, not thinking, not considering possibilities.

I swear, this result pops up a scaryily large amount of times.

>>769401

idk my bff jill?

>>769403

That doesn't mean there are no artists that go further. Read Yagokoro Syndrome by mizutaki

>Desolate means that there is NOTHING there.
>LITERALLY NOTHING
And I believe the "to no" part takes care of that.

But enough of this, I need to get some sleep.

>>769419
Oh wait, you won't since I have to give you a perfect logical reason to do it.

>>769403
>Very funny. Not going to waste time on this.

It's true though. Have you ever read ANY interviews with successful business men on how they got where they are? PROTIP: It's not because they worked hard, it's because they worked smart and took advantage of weaknesses.

>>769403
>It burns down to being content in not really questioning or going for things in a stronger manner than usual, not thinking, not considering possibilities.

>I swear, this result pops up a scaryily large amount of times.

Most people don't question why they enjoy doing things. If you enjoy it and there's nothing bad in it for you, why would you question the matter further?

>Very funny. Not going to waste time on this.
you've been wasting time in your crusade to yell at people to change their ways since you set foot in 4chan.

>>769419

Just outline it.

My point stands for the majority of artists even if you've got a counter example.

>>769425
>>769431

Working smart =! being lazy

Being successful =! being content

list goes on and on. Your example is just plain flawed.

That is the LAST I will speak on this subject.

>Most people don't question why they enjoy doing things. If you enjoy it and there's nothing bad in it for you, why would you question the matter further?

Because as I've fucking went over already, it's a fucking tragedy not to.

If you mill around all day just being content with everything, you'll never go anywhere, never do anything, never really amount to anything. God knows you'll never understand anything properly, let alone start to think about whether it's worth it or not to do so.

Why should you do it?

Because we're fucking unique in the sense that we can. At the very least, think about it and make a choice off it. Don't just act on and never think.

>>769433
That's what you get for having ridiculously high expectations on doujin artists. Go read some books if you want innovation and ambitious stories. We are here because we are fans, not because of the complex and envolving plot regarding touhoes.

>>769458

Books suffer from the exact same shit anyway, I fail to see your point.

As a medium, pictures are worth a thousand words, and pictures AND words are with another million. I think it's a more serious matter for comics/manga in general that it is for just books.
And my expectations wouldn't have been so ruddy high if everybody stopped acting like they were the bees knees.

>Because as I've fucking went over already, it's a fucking tragedy not to.
Opinion.

>If you mill around all day just being content with everything, you'll never go anywhere, never do anything, never really amount to anything. God knows you'll never understand anything properly, let alone start to think about whether it's worth it or not to do so.
I think deeper about shit I want to think about. I don't give a flying shit about why people startted liking Touhou.
>Why should you do it?

>Because we're fucking unique in the sense that we can. At the very least, think about it and make a choice off it. Don't just act on and never think.
I think about what I want to think. Oh, but there has to be an appeal, right? Well, I don't give a shit what the appeal is.

>>769457
Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD.

Think on that.

>>769483

So you are saying just because comics have pictures and words they should deliver more complex stories than books? I don't get it.

>>769497

Read up some more, it answers everything.

>>769498

That's exactly why I said you should make the CHOICE about it.

Completely ignoring it entirely is exactly what's put humanity in the shitter for now
Anyway, it apparently seems I've lost the 2 people who had potential for given responses and instead have nitpickers, so I'll be leaving now.

>>769515

O.k seriously last thing.


I'm saying that potentially, comics can tell better stories than books, just like "potentially" a visual novel SHOULD be better than a book because of it's advantages.

But they were never utilized and the real apex is never hit because the issues that are covered and such never really manage to go for anything wider than personal appeal.


Anyway, gone.

>>769531

Yeah, off with you. You will never understand the power of moe.

>Wait, you liked Fighters for their storylines?
No not really. I guess the storyline part really only fits in the the RPG and adventure though. I liked fighting games mostly for character design, music, and just the good old bust-each-other-up-in-flashy-ways gameplay. Yeah, I hate Virtua Fighter.

>Also, can you elaborate more on the musical part? Specific genres, hell, even bands/composers would be great.
Some lyrics are fine. I like Korpiklaani, but I still prefer their instrumental stuff. I have a ton of soundtracks, loved the Lord of the Rings soundtrack; I could visualize the whole movie if I just listen to the songs. As for specific composers... I loved Rhapsody in Blue by George Gershwin. Loved quite a few of the songs in both the Guilty Gear series and Silent Hill series. Damn, there's a lot to say. Yeah, I listen to Touhou trash, I guess mostly because I can associate it to a character in the series, and the strong melodies.


>What was so appealing about STB?
You're right up to the boss, running up as close as you can, then taking a picture before flying away as fast as you can. Aya was fast as hell, making for some awesome maneuvering, and using the camera was an extremely cool touch that could be used both defensively, like a bomb in the earlier games, or the more obvious choice, to finish the mission by taking pictures of the boss.

>>769518
>Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD.

>That's exactly why I said you should make the CHOICE about it.
>That's exactly why I said you should
>I said you should
>should

>Any examples of prefered arrangements that you preffered?
If you're talking about Touhou...
Mukyou stuff, like
http://rapidshare.com/files/116198440/the_young_descendant_of_tepes.mp3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6owypwFIvbM
There's a few electronica here and there, and some rock, mostly from UI-70. I hate MyonMyon's stuff, since it all sounds similar with little variation. Demetori can be alright at times, but there's only a few tracks from them I actually listen to. TAMUSIC can be alright at times, but I find their key and Higurashi albums to be better than most of their Touhou Albums. I htink Touhou Violin 6 was a nice fresh breath of air, and I hope they continue down that path, hopefully with better sound quality.


>Do you think you read slice of life stories to stimulate or attempt to grasp the things surrounding social situations and the like, and do you think that is related to your interest in characters and storylines in previous games?
I don't know, honestly. It's just a nice break from reality. I guess I should have mentioned that I do papercrafting and drawing also to fill up spare time. I don't think it's heavily tied to the video game stuff, although there may be a few connecting strings here and there.

>Could the interest in shorter material be due to a lack of attention span?
Nah.

Well, seeing that he's gone, you can disregard this.

>>769552
NO I MUST CONTINUE TO ARGUE ABOUT RETARDED SHIT

>>769560

You typed in caps, that's not logical. Why did you typed in caps!? I MUST KNOW

>>769565
BECAUSE CAPSLOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL

/thread

>>769180
You used to be THE Cirno tripfag, right?