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Ar Tonelico For Lazy People Pack™:
http://www.mediafire.com/?5e2ttnrjtim3n4i

Contains torrents for the games along with the emulator installer and bios. Now updated with the latest PCsx2 SVN beta client, plugins are automatically included. Thanks to Anonymous for this.

AT2 Flash Cosmosphere:
http://ar-ciel.org/uploads/miz/tks/2avs/

Lossless albums:

AT - All: http://www.hongfire.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=116396&d=1240137696
AT2 - All: http://www.hongfire.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=108204&d=1232984269
AT3 - OST: http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=112183
AT3 - Hymmnos albums: http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=111040

Thanks to Yuyucow and Anonymous in previous threads for digging up the links. Foobar can play the .tta files but if you feel like converting them to .FLAC or whatever for your MP3 player/Media player of choice then Foobar also provides an easy convert tool. Takes about a minute to convert the albums over to FLAC.

Utau Oka ~Ar=Ciel Ar=Dor~ is out! Download it here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?cim8496yi6mmvmi

AT3 Artbook - http://www.mediafire.com/?jrm2mg22mkx

AT2 Raki bug patch - http://www.mediafire.com/?bp8ydy03ml7r5xa
You shouldn't need this if you're using the newest version (0.9.7) of PCSX2. Thanks to anonymous for uploading this!

Latest Technical Data Compilation Room Issue:
http://artonelico.isisview.org/wiki/index.php/Ar_Portal_translation/Ar_Ciel_Technical_Data_Compilati
on_Room/Issue_14

Latest Toukousphere Translation:
http://artonelico.isisview.org/wiki/index.php/Ar_Portal_translation/Toukousphere/Issue_107
April Fools TKS:
http://www.mediafire.com/?avpff50jo843a52

AT Visual Book available for pre-order:
http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/book/9781926778266/Ar-Tonelico-Visual-Book
Atelier Official Chronicle available for pre-order too:
http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/book/9781926778204/Atelier-Series

Just finished the whole of AI and MK series and going to start playing AT soon. What can I expect? I suppose AT doesn't have an extensive alchemy system like MK or AI?

There will never be Mana Khemia 3 with beautiful spritework or more Nefertiti. ;_;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfScbz-j8h0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA4HFWQ_D_U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwiI-VGmMpQ

>>7385998
There are new games that are part of the A series right (MK was A9 and MK2 A10)? How are those?

downloading, heard of this before, is this similar to that game meant to be released/or is released on PS3 I believe it has Ar something or other in it's name and its about this girl gathering magic herbs and such?

same series?

>>7386029
ah i just remembered what the games were called:
Atelier rorona and totori.

>>7386001
Arland series?

Rorona is so-so. Totori is supposed to be leaps and bounds better and Meruru isn't released yet, but it looking very lovely.

>>7386029
Both are made by the same company and feature item crafting, but there are large differences in themes, tone and game mechanics between the two series.

The Ar tonelico games feature male protagonists, a hefty dose of VN elements, interesting (if not perfectly balanced) battle mechanics and very cool settings combined with amazing music.

>>7386084
Forgot to mention that they also feature delicious waifus and sexual innuendo.

Like, a whole lot of sexual innuendo.

How long are AT and AT2? I have till around July before I have to go overseas for a year or so and I can't exactly bring my PS2 along with me so I was wondering whether I'll have enough time to finish them by then.

>>7386084
>>7386155
To put it simply. Ar Tonelico are genuine Galges.
The other are RPGs with little girls crafting stuff.

Everythikng are about the girls in Ar Tonelico, and the protagonist's relationship with them. Routes, heroines, etc everything you would expect from any other Galge.
Bu the other is still fun as an RPG, but these games aren't set out to do the same thing.

>>7386179
The first one is said long (30 - 50 hours) on vndb.

>>7386160

>forever500x500.jpg

>>7386228
why the fuck is ar tonelico on vndb

are persona 3 and 4 on there as well?

>>7386179

IIRC my clear time on 1 was 20-30 hours, 2 was 30-40.

>>7386423
20-30 hours seems to be pretty doable (AI1-2 and MK1 took me ~40 hours each, MK2 took me ~60 hours). Another 30-40 hours on top of that is another story though. Well, at leas I'll be able to finish the first one before I have to go. Thanks

>>7385998

>>7386439
You can easily clear AT2 within 30 hours if you hit it hard story wise and leave the shop events out.

I cleared it in 33 hours on my first run through in Japanese (understanding the bare minimum) and again in 35 hours on the English version with deliberately gimped party levels (Low level Cocona end, go!) and grabbing all shop events.

The HUUUGGGEEE time sinks are the cosmospheres and in AT2, the Infel Sphere. Infel Sphere especially can be 30min dialogue heavy portions during Phase 2 and 3.

>>7386405
>why the fuck is ar tonelico on vndb
Because 50-70% of the games' content are built like actual VNs, leaving the rest to only be heavily text based rpg gaming.

You might as well ask why Rance is on VNDB.
That, and how the structure is the same as that of typical galges, and how the games are genuine galges in every sense of the term.

>>7385986
Maybe you want to change the emulator into the new PCSX2 0.9.8
I tried playing last boss battle on AT2 and MK2 with it and no lag even when playing the in-game video

>>7385998
Nefertiti is an insanely good boss theme especially with the intro. The battle itself was awesomely fun and Roxis earned his spot on my team a thousand times over with his card deleting skill.

The bonus dungeon pissed me off to no end because of those stupid 'lol, only crits do damage' enemies which made my Anna, who was normally a stupidly fast and heavy hitting powerhouse who could exploit any and all weaknesses a rather tame kitten because she wasn't geared towards crits. Every single piece of equipment I had on her was custom built to maximise traits and special skills and it would have been an absolute nightmare to recreate all the gear to add more crit.

... I feel like playing MK again and this time I'll make Anna a crit monster.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14474008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgfRjndn5qk&playnext=1&list=PLA79F614A5FDD5344

I'm four or five trophies from platinuming AT3.
The biggest pain in the ass is the 100 saves trophy. I have no idea how close/far I am from the target, but every time I save I get more and more hopeful that that'll be it.
Also the max money trophy might be a bit of a pain, but I'm sure there's an easy money exploit out there somewhere.

As for endings, I just got Tyria's normal end. It was... pretty underwhelming, especially considering how much I liked Saki and Finnel's normal ends.
And maybe someday PSN store will come back online and I can download the Binary World add-on again.

>>7387010

That was surprisingly cute.

>>7386971
Yeah, that happened to my Anna as well. My Flay still kicked all kinds of ass there, though.

>>7386971
God, I loved the Isolde fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8Rq90XeEa4

>>7386001

The A series is just the mainline alchemy series. A6-8 is Atelier Iris; A11-13 is the Arland trilogy. I don't think Gust has ever gone back to a series after leaving it, so sadly probably no more Mana Khemia unless it's a spinoff series.

Yay the Gust thread is back. Was looking forward to it.

>>7387451
Just sit there and save 100 times. Only takes like 15 minutes. The money trophy only takes about 15 minutes too as shown in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MihdZeGGVyg

You'll need like 2 1/2 girls worth of max DP though.

Also waiting for the PSN to come back... put my second and third playthroughs on hold until I have the DLC.

Hey,
If I have 2 hearts with Finnel, is it possible to have her 3rd personae, normal and true ending?

Why do Saki's breasts hold power over me when I primarily like flat chests?

>>7387899
You're kinda on the Finnel route now, so you can get her normal end.
But you can't use her 3rd persona unless you accept her confession in Phase 4. Just progress through the cosmosphere until it happens.

Also Amazon is saying the Ar tonelico art book was pushed back to July 12th. I figured it was too good to hope it wouldn't be delayed when all the others ones I've had my eye on were.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fO06CsWeD8

I must say Meruru is looking quite impressive. Music sounds nice, visuals look like they've improved so much and the voice work is awesome too. I can see loli Rorona's voice getting a little annoying after a while though.

>>7388223
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRp1LX0jQPE&feature=player_embedded

I made the mistake of watching this video at work. Fell out of my chair due to the cute factor and everyone was looking at me. Oh god.

>>7388223
...Why is Rorona a loli? Shouldn't she be in her late twenties by this time?

>>7388241
Because magic.

>>7388241

You answered your own question. She was turning into a hag so LOLIFICATION was needed.

>>7388304

Does at2 have a lot of cool attacks and magic? because thats what gets me into rpgs and such.

>>7388450
Not really, no. Combat is more of something you suffer through.

>>7387900
You heretic scum, etc.

>>7388450
>>7388555
AT2 probably has the best combat system out of all three of them, though.
It's like half button mashing and half timed hits.

Obligatory.

Do I have to trigger and decline my 2-heart girl's confession in order to get Cocona end, or can I just get to CS level 4 and then ignore her for the rest of the game?
I really don't want to spend time going through the cosmosphere if I don't need to.

>>7388703
AT2 does the best job in making you feel like you're actively protecting the reyvateil and it can have a very big impression if you MUST get those perfects on that last string of hits otherwise it's a game over. Feeling the weight of their lives in your hands indeed.

>>7389685

That is until you learn the timing of it, they level up a little or you get a guard+ equipped at which point it's just too easy, which is a shame. Well.. until THE BIG WAVE starts moving your entire screen at least. In hindsight the game needed more attacks like those.

>>7388241

According to Siliconera:

>Using a recipe scribbled on a piece of paper, Meruru mixed the unknown compound and Rorona turned into a child.

WHAT A PLOT TWIST! nohagsallowed.jpg

>>7388703
That it does, its only real flaws is that the game is 8-10~ hours too long, heroines are terrible except the third reyvateil, the shops giving you recipe cards, and having to go through 3 cut scenes to buy anything. I haven't played the third one yet but I hope that these issues are addressed.
This game felt more like a chore than the first one, the first one pulled you into the setting more with its wider world and larger dungeons and had a plot that wasn't in your face all the time like in AT2.

>>7390386
I agree with this. The crafting system was very unpractical, even if it was quite entertaining at times. One of the main problems was that the game felt significantly more grindy than AT1 ever did, because of shop events and IPDs.

I mean, content is always good, but holy crap those god damn shop events never end, and you NEED some of them to unlock the later cosmospheres of at least the 3rd reyvateil.

Combat system was okay though. Didn't like the plot.

So, I just started playing AT2...the opening sounds really famili....
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UccOuwhNZFI <-this at 2:50

k

>>7390489
>NEED some of them to unlock the later cosmospheres of at least the 3rd reyvateil
Is this the reason why I can't get past her 8th cosmosphere level?

>Didn't like the plot.
I read VNs and normal books all the time so it can't be my attention span but they entire plot read like "words words words no sadness words words land words two maidens words words words words words words words Metafalica"

playing at1 and got into phase 2. ditched aurica because shes a whiny cunt. does a third reyvateil get introduced later? the size of the talk window seems to be made for 3

>>7390779
Yep.
the best part of at1 is being able to do all the cosmospheres fully too.

>>7390787
how big are story differences between the routes? should I play it once and watch the other endings, so I can get started on AT2?

>please dont use the audio captcha, for now
EVERY TIME

At the end of AT2 in Jacqli's ending when Croix starts singing, man that was bad.

>>7390791
>how big are story differences between the routes?
one chapter is different according to the heroine you choose, but nothing really that important, you just fight different enemies and get a bit more explanation on them. The other endings are 30 seconds worth you can look up on youtube.

>>7390838

I personally like that song. The male vocals are pretty nice and the song itself just shows the affection that the two have for each other.

13 years later...

>>7391706

Raised to perfection.

... goddamn ps2 emulator needs pixel shader 2.0. goddammit.

>>7391974
It's 2011, maybe you should upgrade from coal-powered calculators

Who's importing Meruru?

>>7393886
I would if I could into moon.

>>7391974
Are you kidding me? You must be using an emulator from the stone age.

>>7393886
It's a given. That Satomi Akesaka voice is irresistable.

>>7393886
I am from amiami. Only regular edition though. The japanese should be easy enough for me to read.

Does naming an item according to the girls' suggestion affect anything in AT1?

>>7395070

Nope, doesn't change a thing in any of the 3 games. Enjoy your BBQ soda and bunny bombs.

I've been playing Atelier Annie a lot recently, is it anything like the other games? I like it enough to give an Ar Tonelico game a try, but those purge scenes seem like a little too much.

>>7395165
You can disable them.
During the story, sometimes there is one but after the Phase III, there is hardly any purge scene.

>>7395165

AT1 and 2 don't have any. AT3's can be disabled and are only activated when you purge on a red beat so they are pretty easy to avoid anyway.

>>7395165
purge..?

>>7393886
I think you should be asking instead, "Who isn't importing Meruru?"
(I'm getting it from NCSX here.)

>>7395165
There's also the Atelier Iris series and the Mana Khemia series you could try. I've actually never played Iris, but Mana Khemia is pretty fun. Especially, the battle system.

>>7396113

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukUsUUiBDVE

>>7396179
Iris 1 is excellent. Fun but simple battle system, complex and rewarding alchemy system, fun interactions with shop staff, and I liked the MC. Also fourth-wall breaking comedy fairy for tutorials.

Iris 2 is decent. Rather simplified alchemy and no shop interactions, but slightly improved battle system. You play alternating between two worlds, but one has no battles and is really just the alchemy system kept separate from the rest of the game.

Iris 3 is merely okay. Even simpler alchemy, battle system is basically the same as 2's. Guild quest system instead of traditional plot system, limited time in dungeons for each visit.

So yeah, they went downhill after each iteration, but they're all worth playing. Definitely start with the first one though.

Also, there's no real continuity between them despite being the same subseries.

Why is the font choice in AT3 so terrible? Doesn't everyone know that serif fonts are for physical reading material?

It's readable, but a sans-serif font would have been more more readable.

>>7399394
Don't forget the retarded outlining of the font. Makes the font look permanently fuzzy.

>>7399391
> Guild quest system instead of traditional plot system, limited time in dungeons for each visit.
> traditional plot system

I think the atelier series is not for you. The whole point of the games is time-management for the quests you undertake. AI (and to a lesser extent, MK) was a diversion into more traditional RPG systems, but 3 is the most atelier-like, and the best.

>>7399644
That wasn't intended to be a list of negatives, merely descriptors. The negatives ended after "the same as 2's".

I'm quite enjoying Atelier Rorona at the moment, though the time limits are rather astoundingly large for the tasks you're assigned, at least up to half way through the second year where I am now.

>>7399734
Rorona isn't just about the assignments. It's about working your reputation with all the NPCs and trying to hit the character events.
Some of those really cut across the time you'd normally spend if you didn't know they existed in adventuring or going nuts in the atelier such as remembering to be in the workshop on the 15th of every month etc...

>>7399734

Rorona is easily the tightest-schedule atelier game. Yeah the assignments are easy but there's so many events you need to be ready for ahead of time or at a specific place on a specific day for.

>>7399822
>so many events you need to be ready for ahead of time or at a specific place on a specific day for.

So, it's a tight schedule if you're being an ass and using a guide to tell you about all these events, but not tight if you actually play the goddamn game

>>7390842
So phase 2 will be different while phase 3 is identical? Et's say I want to see everything the fastest way is to pick a route and play it to the end, play the phase 2 of the other route, and then watch all the endings I haven't seen on youtube?

>>7400991
You'll want to play the other route to the end regardless, for the sake of completing the cosmosphere. But of course, if you'd rather Youtube the cosmosphere who can stop you?

>>7401005
I thought in AT1 you can complete all the cosmospheres regardless of routes?

>>7401012
You could.
This never happens again.

Of course it makes sense. After beating Level 9 on one girl and going through that mock marriage ceremony, it wouldn't make sense to do it again.

Lyner is just a closet pimp.

>>7401012
Welp, you posted an AT2 image so I associated your question with AT2.

Yes, for AT1 you can complete all the cosmospheres on either route, and you can certainly watch the other ending on Youtube if you so wished.

>>7401031
Hm? Misha and Aurica are in AT2 too?

>>7401161
Yes and no.
They make cameos in the Binary Field.

>>7401161
By the thumbnail pose combined with colourblindness, and I must be just plain tripping balls today.

>Dear Anon
>I am pleased to let you know that we have just received notification that your pre-ordered book has been made available by the publisher.
>Order number: BDA-991-3606422722
>Book title Quantity Item price Total
>Atelier Series 1 29.25 29.25
>This book will be dispatched to you in the next few days.

>>7401717
Dammit, I wish I'd ordered this in time.
Hopefully they'll get some more in stock soon.

>>7401717
Awesome, where did you order from? Amazon said it's going to take another week.

So far I got the translated Tony Taka artbook; that one was nice quality.

>>7401771
Book Depository had a pre-order special for it a while back (discount AND free shipping!), I think it's over now but see the top post for a link.

Christ, those release dates are so erratic.
It was pushed back to July a month ago, and now it's up to June? Kinda sucks as well because I was planning around it coming out in July, and I've had to cancel my Valkyria Chronicles book order in the meantime.
Still have Ar tonelico and MH books on order as well as the Atelier book, though.

>>7401858
>>Ar tonelico and MH books

Thank you for mentioning these; I didn't know these were bring brought over as well.

Best preorder ever.

luca is a whore and a slut

>>7402716
http://www.amazon.com/Ar-Tonelico-Visual-Book-Gust/dp/192677826X/ref=pd_sim_b_2

Be sure to purchase this, trip friend posting as Anon.

>>7402841
>$26.39 for something somebody will just scan anyway
I'll pass, Anon posting as trip friend.

>>7402853

>>7403913
mind sharing? please?

>>7404212

>>7404352
>>7404212

>>7404375
>>7404352
>>7404212

>>7403913
>>7404352
>>7404375
>>7404386
Looks like something worth buying, if only it ever got out of delay hell

>>7400908

I actually played the goddamn game, and was pretty disappointed when I got the worst not-failed end when I thought I was doing OK. "Default end" should resolve at least one plotline (say, the main plotline), and it doesn't.

>>7400908

So basically it's like Persona 3 and 4 where if you absolutely have to get 100% completion there's an extremely strict schedule to follow but if you don't give a fuck you should be able to get/see everything you really care about without a guide?

I'll just dump this here. It's a torrent with the OSTs of all AT plus the animu or some other shit. 9.19GB
http://www.mediafire.com/?97srbvjwy55hd58

>>7404911
And what is in it, that is not in OP links?


Also, for Ar Tonelico 1, I suggest to do Aurecia's route before Misha. I chose Misha in my first play and the story was full of holes.

>>7402853

Oh come on. I'm a NEET with practically no income and even I'm buying a copy of the Atelier book and Ar tonelico book. The fact that these books were even localised is quite shocking so the least you could do is support them and spend a whole £20 on one of them.

>>7407396
This assumes you can find them near you. (Well, there's still the online route but sipping costs would make it far more expensive)

>>7407403

Bookdepository gives you free shipping to anywhere in the world. Amazon I have no idea about but they also deliver free in the UK at least. There's honestly no excuse not to get them.

>>7407412
>Bookdepository gives you free shipping to anywhere in the world
Looking into this right now. Thanks

ITT Gust Devs.

I know this is a little odd but does anyone know of a place where I can rent a PS3 and AT3? I am literally dying to play it. I wish I lived in an area where people here did so I could borrow both for a modest fee.

>>7407792
I'm more interested in knowing if the PS3 still has region lockdown codes that prevent you from playing games from other regions.

>>7407815

What? Since when was the PS3 ever region locked?

>>7407815
PS3 never had region lockouts for games.
My library is a mix of local (Aus PAL) and imported (US) titles. I may finally crack and import ToV and Atelier Meruru, though Meruru has slim chance since I need to finish Rorona then grab Totori first.

SO, I bought Neptunia yesterday, and I've exit PLaneptune for the first time going to Lastation. I'm planning on postponing this game until I can get the DLCs, but any tips and recommendations is very appreciated.

>>7407841
>>7407843
I am no expert on console gaming, so that's why I am asking. Thanks for answering, though. Maybe I can somehow convince my little brother to whore out his PS3 to me.

>>7407792

Do places even do that anymore? I remember about 10 years ago it was possible to rent a PS1/N64 from my local video/game rental store but when the 'next gen' PS2 etc. arrived they phased this out, probably because the prices were drastically raised and people ended up never returning them. Honestly I'd suggest just saving up a little and buying a used PS3 or something, there's so many RPGs being released on the PS3 soon that it really is worth it if you like them. Dark Souls, Tales of Graces f, Tales of Xillia, Neptunia 2, Disgaea 4, Totori, Meruru, Agarest Zero, WKC 2, FF versus XIII.. I'm probably forgetting some but there's definately a good selection coming out. Then there's the already released titles which are great too like Valkyria Chronicles etc.

>>7407815

PS3 is completely region free. The content from the PSN store is region locked however so if you're playing a NA copy of the game on an EU console you'll need to make a NA PSN account and download the DLC from the American side. Not a big deal since it only takes 5 minutes to make a new account and buy a PSN card online but it's something to keep in mind if you do import and decide to download some DLC.

>>7407914
>The content from the PSN store is region locked however so if you're playing a NA copy of the game on an EU console you'll need to make a NA PSN account and download the DLC from the American side.
My PS3 is HK, my MvC3 and SSFIV are HK. I'm getting all the updates from my US PSN.

>>7407923
Maybe the content for that game isn't blocked.

A example of region blocked content is Fallout 3 DLC. The DLC for the USA Store with only work with the "BLUS-" version.

>>7407847

- Get Nisa and Gust as soon as possible. You first have to go to Lowee and do enough story quests until you see White Heart/Blanc. That will open up a series of events for both Nisa and Gust and seeing all four for each will gain them as allies. You'll have to do some world-hopping because there's 1 event for each of them. The order is:

Nisa: Lastation -> Planeptune -> Lowee -> Leanbox
Gust: Lowee -> Lastation -> Leanbox -> Planeptune

I forget their event names but I think they're somewhat obvious.

Nisa lets you see the worlds' "shares". I forget what exactly they do, but the important thing is that they affect whether the three console goddesses join you during endgame. You need all three goddesses as allies to get the best ending. As for Gust, she reduces the prices in the shop, which is very helpful.

Just snagged the Atelier Book from the Book Depository, even though I was initially apprehensive about buying it.

If you play to buy it as well you can use this coupon. It's not much, but it's something. However,
>Terms and conditions apply. Offer ends 31st May 2011.

>>7407412
You sir, just made my day. Book ordered.

>>7407914
The PS3 is not and never was region free, the games however are made without region locking. If they wanted to, they could implement region locking in the new games at any time.

>>7407923
Updates you get through games ( as in, when you try to boot them ) are automatically tailored to the region of the game, so you don't have the region locked DLC issues on that, so it also doesn't matter what account you're using at the time

>>7409522

Aw, that's cute.

>>7408171

Free Delivery Worldwide? How in the world am I just finding about this site just now?

>>7410269
One of my favorite images I've found on pixiv.

How easy is it to hack a ps3? I recently got enough $$$ for one

>>7410331
Easy enough provided you get a PS3 under a certain firmware.
I think you have to be under 3.00 or 3.55 in order to install CFW? After that it's just installing a few files masked as a version update and you're good to go.
In other words, your best bet in getting a hackable PS3 is buying one used. Unfortunately, there's a lot of used PS3s on the market that are updated past 3.55 right now due to the whole PSN fiasco.
Good luck!

Sorry for the off topic question but is there anymore PS2 JRPGs like AT that are good? I never played JRPGs before AT and I want some good ones to play. If no one answers I will just go through Gust's catalog and take a shot in the dark as I don't trust any english game review sites.

>>7410346

The Persona series has light Dating Sim gameplay, but like I said, very light and not plot relevant.

They're great JRPGs though.

>>7410346
sakura wars so long my love is pretty good

>>7410363

I'd also suggest to him Mana Khemia, which also has light relationship-developing elements. There's an ending with almost every party member, too. I think the rest of the gameplay is pretty good, too. If you liked Ar Tonelico and/or Atelier, you'll probably like MK.

The main reason for my keep going to Misha's cosmosphere is her.

>>7411734
But she is a slut, I wonder how many people have put their mouth on her.

What is it with Gust always putting sluts in their games?

>>7408061

Lowee it is then. Was planning to leave it for last, but if it's for the best...

Also, any tips on dungeon exploring/grinding? Time attack is a bitch, but the bonus money from S ranks is the only way to make money right now.

>>7411735
>how many people have put their mouth on her.
How about 2? Lyner when he was making/testing it and Misha (I don't think Misha would just lend it to people like that)

>>7411861
>>7407847

Oh yeah, forgot to ask what DLCs should I get first, besides the free ones. NISA store has a list of the DLCs and their pries, but it's around $97 for all of them, so I'm only going to get what's really good/important.

>>7411861
The shares decide when certain events appear... just.. Make sure Neptune does NOT die, preferably ever. also don't fail dungeons, but that is less bad, since you can still convert the "other" share into the different world shares.
The game btw, basically wants you to do planeptune -> Lastation -> Lowee -> Leanbox. in that order for the storyline events.

Also, aside from 2 dungeons, I never got anything besides S rank for a dungeon, and I did all of them... So either you suck or you're having a bad luck spree there.

>>7410363
>>7410377
>Mana Khemia
>Persona
These games have annoying "schedule" oriented gameplay. Playing Persona is like playing one of those horribly tedious MMORPGs where you have to kill the same monster three hundred times, except replace "kill the monster" with "go to location x, talk to person y" (instead of grinding experience, you are grinding social skill or something). It'd be more entertaining if you just unplugged your monitor and stared blankly at it for six hours.

We've been getting our innuendo wrong all this time, guys! Luca only takes it up the ass for her work, so she's still a virgin.

>>7412116
Mana Khemia is pretty fun though. The "schedule" only serves as plot triggers and there isn't really much grinding required. Extra points for non-random encounters because random encounters are annoying (I'm so annoyed by how by playing AT1 after MK1&2 I have to revert back to the inferior encounter system)

>>7412138
>(I'm so annoyed by how by playing AT1 after MK1&2 I have to revert back to the inferior encounter system)
(I'm so annoyed as by playing AT1 after MK1&2 I have to revert back to the inferior encounter system)

bleh

are there any games similar to this that are made for PC?

or is japan all about console gaming.

>>7412142
You're aware that you can delete your own posts, right?

Anywho, thanks to the fellow who posted that book depository coupon. I went ahead and ordered the Atelier and Ar Tonelico books, as well as a neuroscience textbook for University.

>>7407847

The mere mention of Neptunia makes me sad. First of all I missed the original release of it because I never had my PS3 in time (was waiting for AT3) and then the premium edition sold out. So then I wait weeks/months for NISA to restock it before finally getting a copy. I receive my copy and was anxious to play but the PSN was down so I couldn't make a PSN account and download the DLC for extra characters. No problem, I have other games to play. A month later and the PSN finally comes back up so I go to make an account and lo and behold the only name I've used online over the course of 11 years is taken for the first time ever. I haven't looked at the game or my PS3 since.

>>7412286
Well I mean half of that isn't even the game's fault.

>>7412286
That sounds a very shitty reason not to play something that probably costed you 300+ of whatever currency you use.

>>7412152

I don't think japan produces many pc games if you want games at this level of detail you'd best get a console.

>>7412152
I guess there is Recettear. I'm sure there's some eroges with this kind of management too, but I can't really think of one right now.

>>7412326

Oh, I know. It's just that the circumstances surrounding it have put me off for a while.

>>7412456

I'm a NEET with everything else I could even want with money so that's not really an issue. And as I said I already have plenty of other stuff to playthrough and with quite a few good games coming out in the next month or two I doubt that'll change much. I'll eventually get around to playing it but thinking of a new username results in me sitting there for hours coming up with nothing, I'm just shitty with names like that. I don't really want to play the game without the DLC characters since the game lacks characters enough as it is until the endgame so some diversity would be nice.

>>7412586
That this?

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5822790/Recettear.An.Item.Shops.Tale-TiNYiSO

I've heard of it before, it sounds just like what i was looking for, thanks.

>>7412135
Told you she was still pure.

>>7412788

Lots of Luca love.

>>7412586

This game fucking moe. Capitalism ho!

>>7413313
Yayifications!

luca is a whore and a slut

>>7413780
Check this out.

>>7410377
>>7410372
>>7410363
Thanks to you that replied, I am enjoying the Atelir series right now. I will play Sakura Wars after that and then Mana Khemia if I still feel up to it.

Just watched the latest Tales of Xillia trailers, dat Miyuki Sawashiro voice.. I don't think I'll ever be ready.

Link for the curious: http://www.siliconera.com/2011/05/29/tales-of-xillia-trailers-straight-from-the-tales-of-festival/

uh... why do I have a feeling that my Misha route just got lolhijacked?

pic kinda related

>>7415425

Because Shurelia is fucking awesome? In my opnion, all three of them deserve nothing but the best. Heck, if I was Lyner, I'd even visit Mei Mei on a regular basis so she didn't get lonely.

Here's a good question for all of you... Who else switched Misha back to small when they got the chance? That was some funny shit right there.

>>7415177
>Dat voice work
>Dat theme song

>>7415425
Shurelia hijacked mine too. Why do they have to introduce a superior heroine to both of them halfway in the game?

>>7415559
>Shurelia
>superior to Misha

My god you are a person with a different opinion than my own and I can respect that. I do like them both, but I like Misha better.

>>7415559
Okay, technically she is the first one introduced, but not available for normal gameplay for a long time. Whatever.

>>7415576
She looks so.... majestic in her linker costume (The costume she wears at the start of the game) I was surprised that she looks like a loli inside...

Tyria has a nice rack on her!

>>7415967
You mean best and most delicious flatness.

>>7415967
While I am able to appreciate breasts of all shapes and sizes I must agree with you in that a lack of them is the superior incarnation.

Tyria is silly because it's like padding.
They even bounce while she still has the chest plate after a purge.
They just kinda wiggle after L4.

>>7416308
Oh man. I really hope the PSN Store is back up tomorrow... then I can begin my Tyria playthrough and see this.

Whoa, they romanized it as Tyria?

I'm OK with this.

Wow, haven't been in one of these for a long while. Glad to see interest has gone up again.

Just wanted to ask if AT3's translation is up to par. I thought the title of the game was pretty derpy but I haven't heard anything about the actual ingame translation quality. Is it as bad as AT2 or actually good this time?

>>7416977
711 downloads for the AT3 artbook too. Seeing that makes me quite happy.

>>7416977
It's not horrible but it's not the best still. The localization kinda pisses me off, like "hafta" and "like that is so totally locked" in a tense situation just doesn't fit at all. Editing is piss poor in some areas too, places where a plain ol' spell checker would have caught errors. Besides that it still gets the point across.

Think there's a problem with Tyria's CS where dialog and text don't match up too.

Pre-ordered the AT, Atelier and MH artbooks. Damn you guys! Guess I'll make some shelf space for them next to Tony's and the upcoming Valkyria one.

>>7416926
Well I mean they've been localizing it like that since her name was mentioned in AT1 and 2.
Yeah, they smartened up and changed Harvestasha from Halvestasha, but that's because her name is brought up once at the very end of AT2.
>>7417204
It's one of Finelle's lines in her binary field. Like the first half of her text is missing.
Still, I think it's one of the better localizations NISA has done for GUST games.

>>7416977
>>7417204
I'd say it's the best of the three, for what that's worth, though I'd probably object to different things. "Hafta" is not so bad, since people kinda talk like that. 愛なのだ！！！ (or something like that) -> THAT'S THE POWER OF LOVE, DICKNOSE!!!, not so much.

It's good if you don't mind that sort of random messing around with dialogue (which NISA have been doing forever and seems to be really common in games, sigh - they're no Working Designs, though). They don't do that *too* often, and leaving that aside there isn't a whole lot of blatantly mistranslated text. By no means stellar, but such is the fate of text-heavy games.

A couple of friends and I marathoned most of 2 and 3 this weekend. It was the first time I'd seen phases 2-4 of AT3 in English, and I remember seeing more typos than grammatical errors.

>>7416992

AT lazy pack has over 3k downloads too, not bad for a relatively slow board along with a relatively slow thread.

>>7417380
Yeah, it was just the first example that came to mind. It's been a few weeks since I played through the story since I'm waiting on the PSN Store to do another playthrough. There's many worse spots of localization than that, yes, but like I said it was the first to come to mind.

>>7417352
http://nisamerica.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=4071
This is what I was referring to in Tyria's place.

I can't say what it's like compared to the other games since I haven't played them, but it's not that bad. Cross Edge and Trinity Universe made me want to drop kick my TV, for instance. AT3 was muuuuuuch better comparatively.

Isn't Luca like a virtual prostitute?

>>7417380
You marathoned Ar Tonelico with friends? I'm envious.

>>7417529
Not quite. More of a consort. Luca's dive therapies are strictly non-erotic and are more of a talk in a nice environment. her friend Nana is more willing to do the more risque activities.

Regardless, the idea that a reyvateil would allow someone to pay to enter their cosmosphere is tantamount to prostitution.

>>7417380
Best of the three... yeah that's not saying much considering how AT2 copped so much flak the localisation team had to spell out what they were going to do that was different and try to avoid the same screw up that AT2 had.

Let's hope NISA's foray into something a bit more mainstream (Bleach) would give them enough cash to have a bigger team.

>>7418136
Maybe they'll be able to hire their eighth employee!

>>7418219
An eighth?!? Woah woah woah, let's not jump the gun here. I was thinking more of getting an office mascot cat or something as a morale boost.

Lyner is freaking Shirou. Not really, he's even more extreme than Shirou

>>7418428
Shirou has sex with the girls.

>>7418463
But Lyner does it with 3 girls at the same time! He even managed to get them to cosplay while doing it!

"Anon there's a parcel here for you"
"Huh? I don't remember ordering anything"
...
OH GOD YES DELICIOUS ATELIER CHRONICLE FUCK YEAH.

My penis is so hard right now. It's a damn impressive book I have to say.

>>7418774
My penis is hard that your penis is hard because it means I'll be getting mine any moment now.

>>7419135

I'm happy for you, Anonymous. It's really high quality. I was expecting one of those cheap little art books you get with a LE of a game or something but this is a really thick well put together high quality book. Definitely pleased with my purchase.

>>7418774
Would you say it contains spoilers for the games included in it?

>>7419344

Kind of. The basic layout is a 1 page description of the game followed by pages of illustrations and game CGs then it's followed up with pages showing illustrations and portraits of the characters from that specific game along with their bio information. At the end of the book is a short little section showing how the alchemy has changed throughout the course of the games then there's a section of interviews at the end. While there's no real spoilers of what happens in the story the CGs might show more than you want so it's up to you to decide if that's too much for you.

>Pages 238-239

Fuck yeah, the evolution of Pamela. boner.jpg

>>7419430
....Goddammit... Atelier Chronicle bought, like.. nao

>>7419295
Considering it's being sold as a stand-alone product, not bundled with a game, and when you're paying up to $50 for it it damn well better be of good quality.

On just that note I'm glad I managed to order it when I did. The Book Depository's preorder discount has just expired so it now costs just that- $50. Sure, you could order it from Amazon and it's a nice place to buy from domestically but they are criminals when it comes to international shipping.

>>7419295
Considering it's being sold as a stand-alone product, not bundled with a game, and when you're paying up to $50 for it it damn well better be of good quality.

On that note I'm glad I managed to order it when I did. The Book Depository's preorder discount recently expired so it now costs, as I said before, $50. Sure, you could order it from Amazon and it's a nice place to buy from domestically but they are criminals when it comes to international shipping.

>>7420752

Well in comparison you could get a figure for £60-70 roughly. You could get a game for £20-40 on average. You can get the Atelier and AT3 books for £20 each. Over 300 pages of A4 sized awesomeness for that price isn't so bad when you look at it.

>>7417529
>>7418136
The job description is more of a cross between a geisha and a therapist. Instances exist of dive therapists using their talents and skills for more hedonistic activities such as Luca's friend Nana, but it isn't the rule, nor is it generally expected.

>>7420752
Or you can stop talking out your ass, actually look on bookdepository, and see it's still up for 30 dollars with free international shipping

>>7421002
http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/Atelier-Series-Gust/9781926778204?selectCurrency=USD

>>7421002
>$30
Nope. It says $43.16 for me. However they seem to have reinstated the 11% preorder discount since I last checked, which without puts it at $48.55.

>>7421685

Eh, I'm getting a completely different price.

>>7421700
>30% off
God damn regional pricing/discounts.
This shit should be illegal.

>>7421712

Well I'm from the UK so it's cheaper from Amazon (where I got mine from) by £1 even with that 30% off. Does Amazon.com not have it for you?

>>7421763
It's all the same.
This is what I get for living in Australia I suppose.

We have received new release date information related to the order you placed on April 14 2011 (Order# 105-2854872-2415426). The item(s) listed below will actually ship sooner than we originally expected based on the new release date:

Gust "Atelier Series: Official Chronicle"
Previous estimated arrival date: June 13 2011 - June 17 2011
New estimated arrival date: June 08 2011 - June 11 2011

Aw yeah.

Where is my crazy adventures of Flay spin-off?

>>7421700
It's only $24.99 for me. Is it because I live in AMERICA?

>>7422895
Most likely due to the free shipping.

Still paying the $25 for the book itself, but shipping fees tack on another ~$20 for expedited shipping. Oh well, just means I buy more in the one shipping to spread out the costs. And it's still vastly cheaper than attempting to buy them from import stores. Kinokuniya had a copy of the Tony Taka artbook for ~$65

>>7423124

Hmm, you could always get a friend to purchase it for you and see if it's any cheaper. Seems to be IP based pricing. A proxy might work too though I'm not sure if you'd trust that method.

Why hasn't this been posted?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVSTw9x8ejs

Eagerly awaiting Meruru's OST. Almost every trailer has some kind of eargasmic music.

>>7424368

Tell me about it. Everything I've heard so far has been very nice, especially that battle theme with the treant. They really seem to have outdone themselves this time, Meruru is looking extremely good so far.

PSN is back up.
A month and a half later, I FINALLY get to waste DP on the binary field DLC.

>>7426652

It's giving me errors in random places, though, so it must not be completely up.

>>7426701
It's probably getting hammered

Took me a while to hammer through to get a US PSN account made so I can actually GET AT3 DLCs. The fucking EU store (Aus/EU) doesn't have any of the DLCs.

>>7426740
The binary field is on the EU store actually. I don't see the personality DLCs(but they probably will come with time, if delay in other DLC packs is any indication), but the Binary field is there.

By the way, I noticed a new DLC for Hyperdimension Neptunia that raises the level cap from 99 to 299. It was... rather pointless to level that high in Trinity Universe(admittedly, because the convert shop was so broken I don't even know why would they put like, 1000 different farmable items and make all of them conveniently available in stacks of 99), is there any dungeon that really requires it? It seems you could do all content with much less effort.

>>7417529

I get the feeling that dive therapy is similar to massage therapy in that while it *can* be thinly-veiled prostitution and thus winds up getting that reputation in reality that's not how it works in most cases.

>>7426652
>implying Ar Ru's hugs are a waste.
cease speaking.

>>7418428

Lyner's denseness is out of plot necessity, really- since the final choice of which girl you end up with is literally at the last minute, he kind of has to be oblivious to their advances otherwise you create the potential issue of Lyner saying he wants to be with Aurica or Misha forever and then turning around and dumping them for Shurelia. (in before >implying that's a bad thing)

Croix and Aoto aren't as bad in that respect precisely because 2 and 3 let you lock that shit in earlier and don't let you get brain-married to one girl but end up with another.

(On that note, was anyone else sad a the lack of marriage ceremonies in AT3's final cosmosphere levels?)

>>7427349
Chill, dude, he used a figure of speech. No one can possibly think that, and if they do they must be an android.

>>7427377
Yes, but what I'm the most sad about is that you can't get a romance ending with the different personalities. I'd kill to get an Ar Ru ending.

>>7427413
Ar Ru was my favourite AT3 girl as well as my waifu, myself.

>>7427377
I was referring to his "I want to save everyone!" mentality. It doesn't matter if the person he's trying to save has been trying to destroy humanity for the entierty fo the game (Mir) or has been plotting to ursurp power for himself (Bourd and Falss) he just want to save absolutely everybody.

Maybe if in the future Lyner becomes a Counter Guardian like archer this'll become interesting

>>7427474

Always loved her "SHINING FINGERRR!" pose in her purges.

>>7427474

Deliciously flat.

>>7427377

I know what you mean... I'm not done with 1, but I'm close enough to the end that I'm starting to feel like a total dick for stringing the girls along, telling each of them that I'll always be there.... I guess that's what multiple saves are for.

I know I'm very late to the party but are there any stores who ship internationally that still stock the Premium edition of Meruru?

I have been meaning to try these games due to the prevalence on /jp/. I have been skimming the threads but are these really slut games?
I see AT characters get called that all the time and I am worried because I don't want to play slut games.

>>7427896
Don't worry, most characters are as pure as an heroine needs to be.

It's just that there's this certain dorodere heroine who is a whore and everyone hates her because of that.

>>7427661
She might just be the flattest Ar Tonelico, period. By extension that makes her the most delicious.

>>7427896

General rule is that characters who /a/ and /jp/ call sluts aren't actually sluts by any sane definition of the term. That's the whole joke.

Luca (an AT2 heroine) is a dive therapist, which is a profession that has a reputation among that world of being thinly-veiled prostitution (an image primarily promoted by the government because of their EVIL PLOT,) but Luca herself is not that kind of dive therapist. That plus the fact that her plot arc in the early game is basically her pretending to love Croix in order to use his connections as a knight to find out where her sister who was taken by the government as a child was, telling him the truth after finding out she's dead, then realizing that she had fallen in love with him for real gets her a decent amount of hate.

>>7413794
I'm sorry, but has Luca even engaged in sexual intercourse? Oh, that’s right. She hasn't even made contact with a man outside of dive therapy. In fact, it’s only therapy involving fields for soothing. Does not having a cliche tsundere personality make you a slut? Is that what you’re saying? Because if you’re saying that I can assure you that you’re wrong. Why would you make this topic when the game is already finished and we know for certain she is pure? Luca is a holy maiden now and she was been the purest maiden in Metafalss? Luca has to go up against one of the sluttiest reyvateil in the Ar Ciel who just happened to have a lead because she was praying on Croix's innocence. But you know what? Clooche is still a whore. Luca is the best heroine in all three games, she has the best character songs. Luca has already won Croix over, she would have done it sooner if it wasn't for her tragedy with her sister throwing her for a mental loop. Maybe you should shut the fuck up before you make retarded topics like this. You know why? Because you're going to be embarrassed when Luca is proven a better waifu that any other in AT2. Cloche tries to latch on to anyone who would have shown her a different and free life. Are you retarded? Are you autistic? You are a fucking idiot and you should never make a topic on this board again and I’m fucking serious. I almost have a feeling you’re the only guy making all these anti-Luca topics because you’re a faggot hater who doesn’t like a heroine because they’re canonically pure. Fuck you, be good at something in YOUR life and then maybe try to troll these fucking idiots on the board, like I give a fuck. It’s so easy to spot out your threads now, you’re a retard. Always doing stupid shit like this. Why don’t you try to be a good poster? Just for once? For once in your fucking life try not to make a topic like this. That’s just you, you’re always right at getting it wrong. Fuck you. You are nothing.

>>7428057

Copypasta and reverse-troll senses are tingling.

>>7428057
Saved for future use.

>>7428084
I sure hope so, can you imagine if someone got this mad about people calling their waifu a slut jest?

>>7428165
inorite, the idea of someone seriously making a response like that almost makes me feel bad about sharing a game we like, that said, I still hate Luca and always will. Not much someone else's opinion is gonna change about that.

>>7428226
You may not like the character but he is right when he says Luca is not a slut or even a bad person.

So far
Sakia > Sarapatra >>>>>>>>>>> Saki > Finnel > Nurse girl
Tell me there are better girls in the game

>>7428325
Her not being a slut I can agree with, but regarding her being a bad person is open to opinion, because in mine she definitely is a giant bitch, both in the regular storyline and the Infelsphere when you're on her route ( and I guess I'm just one of those people who can't forgive Luca when confronted with her telling Croix about her having used him for all that time ).

>>7428889
Yes, there are. Soma, Tyria and Ar Ru, mainly.Thank fucking god Tyria is a main heroine.

>>7428889
Soma's full purge makes me happy in the pants.

It might be a good thing I won't be doing another run using her until I get the other girls done.

>>7428889
Sakai sure is hot, still have to unlock her since i did Finnel ending first.
For me

Tyria > Finnel > Sakia > Ar Ru > Sarapatra >>>>> and the other girls down there.

>>7428973
oshi- forgot Soma, she was my favorite before Tyria, w/e.

>>7428057
Why is that even responding to my post?
Check this out.

>>7428897
>and the Infelsphere when you're on her route

It's been two years since I did her route but isn't Cloche just as much of a bitch to Luca in the Infelsphere when she becomes Gaia?

>>7429002
Yes, even more so in my opinion but you should know by now Luca haters only have blind hatred in their eyes. They tend to gloss over other heroines' weaknesses just to satisfy their unquenchable hatred.

>>7428978
I meant to quote the post that you were quoting, that shitposting spammer thinks it is his duty to make these threads bad.

>>7429002
Yes, you'd think people playing games about fixing the mind of girls with shitty personalities would be less upset by a girl with a shitty personality.

>>7428934
The clown can be in your team? Good.

>>7429074
>Clown

Oh boy, what awaits you is love. Delicious love.

>>7429019
Oh okay. Cool enough.
Check this out.

>>7429074
Prepare your heart, is all we can say.

>>7429019

I think it's more that while they're both designed to be somewhat unlikable at first Cloche is unlikable in ways that we're used to (ie tsundere) while Luca isn't.

>>7429074
>>7429085

pic related

>>7429227
Soma is the girl you see at the beginning of the game with Mute? Dammit I hate you.

>>7429243
No, that's not her.

He shouldn't spoil part of the surprise, though.

>>7429243
Like I recommend anyone, myself included, to do when starting/in the process of completing a /jp/-related game:

STAY OFF OF /JP/ UNTIL YOU'RE DONE!

You will never pet Mir on the head, how does this make you feel?

>>7429243

Soma is the final boss.

Hey guys, any tips for someone who's just started playing Atelier Rorona? It's my first Atelier game and honestly there's so many deadlines, so many requests to fill, it seems a little overwhelming at times.

tell me some things you wish you had known when you first started playing the game.

>>7431292
Enjoy your first run through.

Seriously, just play a first run by yourself, at your own pace and don't worry about the ending you get. THEN hit up a guide for all the events and hammer out as many endings as you want in a single play through until your eyes bleed.

>>7431292

Getting the ends you want can be a bitch on your first playthrough. You can either:

A) Do what >>7431386 suggested, just do whatever you want at your own pace then try to go for specific endings on subsequent playthroughs. Makes first run less tedious and more fun, but requires more playthroughs (and/or reloadings during a subsequent playthrough depending on how you've managed your time) to see any of the endings you want.

B) Use a guide and try to get the exact endings you want with as few playthroughs as possible (1 or 2). Minimizes the playthroughs needed but it would cause the game to be more tedious, unless you like looking at the guide while playing.


Either way, in at least one of your playthroughs, try to hit True End + Astrid, since that is supposedly the Best Ending and the canon one.

Is it possible to start a new game+ in AT1? Or am I forced to start from scratch again for the second route? (Well, I do have a save before the branching point so it's not that bad I guess...)

>>7431803

There is no NG+ in AT1 or 2. Only in 3. It's made up for by the fact that 3 has one of the better NG+ systems around, though, letting you start from the beginning, the first set of ending-deciding decisions, or the second set of ending-deciding decisions.

And 1 and 2 are braindead easy so it's not like the ability to steamroll through the game with high-level characters does much for you anyway.

Just started playing AT3 some time ago.
And although I am almost certain this have been covered, more than once most likely even, I somehow refrain from checking the previous threads in fear of spoilers being all over the place.

But I don't really... understand the battle system of this one.
You have the reyvateils and that. But I barely really see how you matter, or how you are supposed to fight the reyvateils.
I mean, there is the sync thing... but in what way can you actually sync?
There are the occasional spikes, in which you are supposed to attack in order to do it. But the way fighting works... It is either *bam*, one hit, or *bam*, *bam*, *bam* all at once for three hits. And there is absolutely no rhythmto it. Its either one, and then you have to wait which makes you miss spikes possibly following directly afterwards, or, you have to attack three times fast in a row, making it too fast for the attacks to really be synched with any skill, and then you have to wait, making you miss the upcoming spikes...

I just got the impression that, either you go for hitting individual spikes, or you ignore them in order to actually try fighting properly. But I guess there is just something I am missing, but I am not sure.

>>7431827
A tip for hitting those spikes. It doesn't matter if your actual attack matches up with the spike. You only need to time your button press to it. I haven't played much, but that's what I've noticed. There were times I just timed the button presses and ran around to cancel the attack. I simply raise the synchro, strip reyvateil, use song magic.

It really irritates me that the map is wrong in AT2, is there any way to fix that?

>>7431863
Might be your emulator settings, I never saw anything wrong with my maps.

>>7431827

Yeah, sometimes you'll get long periods of time with no red lines. That's just how it works, sometimes you can purge really fast and sometimes you have to wait a while.

Once you get access to supermoves you generally just use them on the red lines, they give more beat up per hit than normal attacks. Keep in mind that while you need to enter the command on the red line to get the beat up, the beat up (to my knowledge) doesn't actually register until the attack goes through (so you're not actually getting multiple beats by spamming attack while you're autorunning to attack a monster.)

>You have the reyvateils and that. But I barely really see how you matter,

Welcome to Ar Tonelico, you must be new here. The rule has always been that vanguards exist primarily to enable reyvateil damage and any damage they do outside of ultra flashy supermoves is a bonus. Your job as Aoto isn't to kill things, it's to protect the RT and press butan on the red lines so they can kill things for you.

>>7431866
On the world map, the location of luca's hometown on the 2d map doesn't match up with its location on the 3d map.

>>7431873
>Welcome to Ar Tonelico, you must be new here.
No, I played through 1 and 2 back from when they were actually new games.
But you know, it felt like you actually had more control over the reyvateils, and even though it still felt that the vangourds were more relevant to how the reyvateils grew further into the battle.

But then again, I don't really know how/if AT3 may turn out to be later on.
I mean, that one exist for the more or less the sole purpose of the reyvateil is fine and all, but in the previous games it at least felt like you had more choices in battle, and that the ones you made were more relevant.

>>7431914
The battle system is functional, if largely uninteresting.
But you're right. There isn't a whole lot of strategy in Qoga. Attribute it all to Gust being inexperienced in developing 3D combat.

>>7432125

But then how do you explain the battle system in all their other games? Except Mana Khemia, god damn that was great.

>>7432521

They were turn-based. Qoga is their first real-time battle system. That's what the anon probably meant.

I feel disgusted by Tatsumi revelation, not even pretty, just a reskin of Finnel, asking for an actual reverse trap was too much? Hat-less Tatsumi would have been perfect.

>>7434089
At least Cocona is still flat, why bother asking more of them?

Don't worry, this is tangibly related to the topic at hand!
You see I recently picked up Final Fantasy IV Complete Collection for the PSP, since I last played that game when I was in single-digit ages and I wanted to give it another shot.
And I realized how much the AT games have spoiled me in regards to random encounters. I keep looking at the bottom-right corner to see how many more random encounters I have to sift through, only to realize that this game doesn't roll like that.
It's a bit distressing.

>>7434551

Indeed, it's a really nice idea they use in the AT games. Nothing pisses me off more when you need to backtrack through older areas and are forced into fights constantly, it gets extremely annoying very easily even if you can one shot everything. No encounter items/equipment is fine too.

>>7435095
Clustania District is one level I can do without for the rest of my life.

I still have 5 endings to get, welp.

>>7434089
>not even pretty

>>7436664
I've done it so many times I could probably run it blindfolded now.
I'm just missing Cocona end. Kinda sucks too because I was planning to separate my save where I was first able to solidify Tyria's route, but I fucked up and saved over both of them on two separate occasions.
I'm taking it slow for this last one, especially because I have a few other trophies left to get, and then I'm gonna make a perfect run save file for Finnel and Saki to compliment my Tyria file.
A lot of repeating for my own satisfaction.

its a bit late, but anyone know how to fix this?

>>7436809
I've seen so many people complaining about how complex that Clustania district map is. But when I played the japanese version, I'd already created a mental map of the area.. ( Ar tonelico could do with maps, btw )
I gotta say though.. I don't like the Cocona ending... It just feels really off, guess in my mind she belongs with Croix

>>7440077

Because she does, at least going by AT2's ending for her. Croix can go fuck off with someone else for all I care. As for the Clustania area I honestly thought it wasn't bad at all, the only real 'difficulty' to it would be the fact that your encounter bar resets and you're forced to run through it around 5 times in short succession which is rather irritating.

>>7440077

Because she does, at least going by AT2's ending for her, Aoto can go fuck off with someone else for all I care. As for the Clustania area I honestly thought it wasn't bad at all, the only real 'difficulty' to it would be the fact that your encounter bar resets and you're forced to run through it around 5 times in short succession which is rather irritating.

How the fuck could I typo Aoto for Croix? I really should refrain from posting the moment I wake up.

About how long does one AT3 playthrough take?

>>7440247

Depends on how much time you spend in Cosmospheres finding talk topics and party topics, and random battles (which get pretty long and annoying in the late game). According to my first playthrough save before the last boss, Play Time was 056:15:10.

So if you're not remaining idle for extended periods of time (happened to me on occassion due to being called away or some other thing) and you don't spend most of the time in random fights, it should take you about 50 hours on your first run.

>>7440247

Depends on how much time you spend in Cosmospheres, finding talk topics and party topics, and random battles (which get pretty long and annoying in the late game). According to my first playthrough save before the last boss, Play Time was 056:15:10.

So if you're not remaining idle for extended periods of time (happened to me on occassion due to being called away or some other thing) and you don't spend most of the time in random fights, it should take you about 50 hours on your first run, maybe less.

>>7440233
Cocona ends up with Aoto because Croix actually gets with Cynthia.

>>7440257
Thanks.

>>7440259

I think it's time you stopped with your delusions and accepted the truth.

>>7440620
your weapons seem to be lacking some love

I need to ask, what songs exactly does ar=ciel ar=dor contain?
Just the general idea, not the names.

>>7441165
It says AT3 image CD here but I'm not sure what that means (character songs I guess?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ar_tonelico_Qoga_media_releases#.E3.82.A2.E3.83.AB.E3.83.88.E3..
83.8D.E3.83.AA.E3.82.B33_.E3.82.A4.E3.83.A1.E3.83.BC.E3.82.B8CD_.E8.AC.B3.E3.81.86.E4.B8.98.EF.BD.9E
Ar.3DCiel_Ar.3DDor.EF.BD.9E_.2F_Ar_tonelico_III_Image_CD_Utau_Oka.7EAr.3DCiel_Ar.3DDor.7E

>>7431268

Feels fucking terrible.... I've always loved Mir, even when she was the 'bad girl' in the first game.

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What's the relationship between the AT games? Are they direct sequels/prequels of each other? Do they happen in the same world (separated by thousands of years, perhaps?) Or are they just spiritual successors of the previous games just like how MK is to AI?

>>7441204

If memory serves, they're all pretty much in sequence... none of that skipping around shit, and they all basically happen in the same world.

>>7441165
Some are legends of Ar Ciel and the Singing Hills talks about the planet's feelings on humanity alongside how everything began.

>>7441204
They're, while direct sequels, not exactly related one to another. There are some cameos and returning characters, but that's about it.

They do share the same world, terminology and style, though.

>>7441204

Same world but different regions, take place a few years after each other. AT2->AT3 feels more of a direct sequel than AT1->AT2, though.

>>7441603
>AT2->AT3 feels more of a direct sequel than AT1->AT2, though.
I think it was possibly something like.
AT1->AT2: Century.
AT2->AT3: Decade.

Anyone have the pictures of the three towers though?

>>7441867

AT2 is like 1.5 to 2 years after AT1. The AT1 heroines make an appearance in the Binary Field, and Misha and Aurica not only are still alive but don't look much different than they originally did.

>>7441919 here

Also, AT3 is 2 1/2 years after AT2. Otherwise Cocona and Sasha would be 21 instead of 13. Not to mention some other things that would be kinda spoilerly if I said more.

I'm playing Ar Tonelico 2 and I'm confused as fuck by the combat.

Can someone please explain how pressing the D-Pad and attacking and how the harmonics work?

>>7442624

Up = harmonics. Enables stronger attacks once you're high enough level to get them.
Left = burst. Increases the burst gauge which determines song magic damage/healing.
Down=sync. Synchronizes the two Reyvateils together. At max sync combo magic is activated. You will probably not see this happen until mid to late game.
Right=care. Restores MP.

Increases to harmonics, burst, and sync happen when the respective corner of the polygon lights up, and can't be increased further in that attack phase past that point.

So the tl;dr is that you use up attacks until the thing fills out, then left attacks until that fills out, then down attacks to max, then whatever you want.

>>7442624

Pressing the D pad affects what attack you do and how your gauge changes on the bottom right. Holding left will increase your burst %, holding up will increase harmonics (faster burst speed, allows syncro chains between reyvateils when you unlock it, unlocks your level 2-3-EX attacks), holding down will increase.. something, I forget the name but the more you do it the less burst % you will lose when your reyvateils take damage. Right will restore some MP to your reyvateil.

>>7441603

I prefer what AT2 done though, personally. Same universe, you as the player know that shit has gone down on another tower but the characters don't have a clue. It's nice to see the plot slowly come together as they've all indirectly worked to save the planet together.

>harmonics
>burst
>sync
>care
If only AT3 had several different kinds of attacks/actions like that.

>>7442781
>>7442768
Thanks