/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>it starts at 3-4 AM
More like they know their audience.

what will they talk about?

>>7387525
Bamboo posted a wall of text at http://mangagamer.blackss.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1009 (translated in the next post), but he didn't say what he was going to talk about specifically on the UStream. He'll probably just ask and answer questions from fans.

>>7387525
no money, shit sales, stop pirating stuff and buy everything twice

god this is turning out to be as bad as mtv flicks
I really could do without all this sensation and marketing stunts in my porn games

>>7387510
Because Europeans don't play visual novels.

>>7387449
>MangaGamer seems to hate Europeans
Um, MangaGamer are a European company? I guess they just needed to find a time convenient for Bamboo.

This actually seems pretty neat.

Also, Overdrive are making a visual novel exclusively for westerners.

http://mangagamer.blackss.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1010&sid=457b81eea6f9e41486de3a188fb36d78

This interest anybody?

>>7387623
Neat? I doubt it. It'll be the japanese director handling things in a classic japanese way of japanese pr clashing marvelously with the western experience of playing and buying games on computer.
The post where he said "we can make things work, but you must not pirate games!" already speaks miles about his grip on the situation.

>>7387632

I'm all for it.

>>7387449
Not a fan of gaijin so no thanks

>>7387663
Where did he say that? Have a link?

>>7387671
>>7387571
also notice evospace mistranslated it, probably on purpose to make it softer
・違法ダウンロードはしない。
doesn't translate to
- If less people downloaded illegally
but
- Don't download illegally, period.

>>7387671
http://mangagamer.blackss.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1009

>>7387702
Thanks.

>>7387689
Perhaps if they didn't go to such great lengths to stop overseas fans from importing their games we wouldn't need to illegally download them.

07th expansion and Type Moon are the only Japanese companies that don't mind selling their games to foreign customers. In this day and age that is fucking pathetic.

i wonder if he realises that the way they do shit now is stupid and wrong

>>7387664

I meant that I'm all for the concept of them making VNs specifically for the Western market and not this particular project.

Just felt the need the point that out.

>>7387689
The phrasing in the translation was changed to fit the context. All three of Bamboo's points were without 'if...' in the original post.

Original:
>・違法ダウンロードはしない。
>・キチンとライセンス商品を購入する。（値段に関しての論議は大歓迎
）
>・作品に対しての議論をしてくれる。
>
>この3つが向上すれば、もう少し耳を傾けてくれるメーカーが増えると思
います。

Translated:
>- If less people downloaded illegally
>- If more people purchase the licensed material (I am open ears to prices and such)
>- If people made more open discussions about the works
>
>If the three points above improved, I think more companies will listen to us.

>>7387721
Tell him what exactly is stupid and wrong about the way they're doing things. That's what this stream is for.

Does anyone honestly care?
Kira☆Kira has already been translated and released into the wild so I don't see what relevance this guy could possibly have.

>>7387761
He's still relevant because of Dengeki Stryker.

>>7387761
He doesn't only handle overdrive games, he's also involved with other companies who might use mangagamer as their distribution company.

>>7387761
he's the 'producer of MangaGamer'

>>7387767

What about Dear Drops?

>>7387779
I don't think anyone cares about Deardrops.

>>7387801

I sort of care.

>>7387742
im not going to stay till morning to call him stupid

>>7387779
Not really interested in it.

I'm interested in Dear Drops but I'm not crazy about it. I enjoyed Kira Kira and if it flows like that I'll be happy with it.

>>7387883
I still don't get why the went with yet another band/music VN right after Kira Kira.

>>7388009
Because overdrive.

>>7388009
Riding the popularity flow maybe.

I enjoy Bamboo/Milktubs music, I'll atleast be there to say that. I'm looking forward to Deardrops as well.

>>7387619
Not really. They're "based" in the Netherlands or whatever, someplace with favorable censorship laws, but really, aside from translators and editors, MG is comprised of companies like Overdrive and Circus, and whoever originally published a given game, and are the ones who pay for the licensing of music and voices, translations and so on.

Gotta stay up and ask what he has to say about why voices keep getting removed. If he's president of OVERDRIVE, I'm sure he knows what the deal is.

its started now http://ustre.am/z2SV

>>7388340
That's a useless question, considering they've already posted about it.

>>7388340
The "deal" is pretty simple. In some cases the rights to the voices are owned by voice-acting studio rather than the producers of the game, and the rights need to be negotiated from them. In the cases of Koihime Masou and Kara no Shoujo they demanded far too much money for MG to afford with the low sales they get, so they had to be excluded.

It's a stupid catch-22; people won't buy their games because of no voices (or at least that's their excuse), and there are no voices because people won't buy their games.

It would be great if the chat was working properly...

>Jenny Draper I would also Like to know what he thinks of Madoka?

What the fuck is this bullshit?

Anyone seeing a translation of what he's saying anywhere?

It seems that he's reading the chat, not the social stream.

This is the worst chat.

The chat still won't load for me :/

>>7388960
get a non shit browser

>>7388963
Tried Firefox and Chrome

Apparently Mangagamer is currently in negotiations for OreTsuba.

>>7388966
>bloat
>botnet

>>7388970
IE and Opera too

None are working

>>7388977
then its a problem on your end, obviously

>>7388009
Because Overdrive is run by bamboo, who also leads the band Milktub.

Now that I think about it, there are a few other VN companies run by composers:
5pb. - Shikura Chiyomaru
KEY - Maeda Jun

But 5pb. and KEY haven't made any music-centric games.

what was that superhero vn that's coming out some time in the future? I think overdrive was making it.

>>7387632
aside from language I don't see how a vn made for westerners would be fundamentally different. does it mean the heroines will all be manfaced bitches like in bioware games?

>I raik oppai
>big middu smarr
>I raik middu
Oh wow.

>>7389076
Dengeki Strykers.

"umi wo koeta hentai shinshi ga atsumatteru"

wwwwwwww

>>7389066
angel beats had a large chunk of music as a central plot.
Yeah it's not a game but Jun wrote it.

>>7389112
>central plot
Seemed more like it was shoehorned in so that Damae had an excuse to write rock songs.

That was fucking annoying.

Is there a point to this at all?

>>7389138
PR.

People talking approvingly about MG on /jp/?

The end really is nigh.

>>7389154
Sheesh, don't wake up Bangcock.

regardless of how /jp/ feels, that was awesome. At least he gives or pretends to give a damn about foreign customers.

>>7389181
There are more people who liked it but who don't post about it. It's the usual around here.

I slept through this. Did someone log the chat? (capped stream would also be nice, but I doubt anybody did it)

>>7389425

this guy translated most of it and its on his twitter http://twitter.com/#!/Aginyan

>>7389497
Thank you. I was hoping someone has the IRC log of Ustream chat (every chat is mirrored to Ustream's IRC), but this is the next best thing.

Highlights from >>7389497 :
>The sales numbers still have a way to go before becoming a business, but heartening that sales are increasing

>For MG, there aren't any plans for an android release, but Overdrive's Kirakira has been released on android

>Fan translators last year were, tbh, a pain to deal with. But minori's way of handling things was a lesson. So I think it's interseting to work w/ fan translators, the question is exactly how.

>We'll try to release dengeki strikers in english as soon as we can, we wrote it with that in mind

>English voices: probably you guys won't like it, and it costs more too

>Has something hit profitability? Yes, shuffle, koihime. Lost money? All over the place

>kirakira's sales were surprisingly high, around 1k units

>visualarts doesn't seem to have much interest in overseas sales, so it's hard.

Also:
>We're thinking of broadcasting twice a month, when the time's set we'll announce on twitter and the site

>>7389546
>Fan translators last year were, tbh, a pain to deal with. But minori's way of handling things was a lesson. So I think it's interseting to work w/ fan translators, the question is exactly how.

He also said that he still doesn't approve of fan translations that don't have the creator's consent.

And he also mentioned something about the negotiations for Oretsuba progressing smoothly.

>>7389497
This is nowhere near all the questions he answered. EvoSpace translated the majority of everything in the UStream chat, but I doubt anyone saved a log of that, unless Kouryuu or someone puts up a blog post sometime this week. I guess Aginyan covered the more important stuff at least.

>>7389066
Circus - tororo

No music games there either, unless you count some half-baked musical imagery in the Da Capo series.

Unrelated, but the thought just struck me in this thread and I'm too lazy to post a new one.

You think the guys who write the script for games like, say, Suck My Dick or Die think of their work as a sort of artform? And read a bunch of other Nukige and judge them like people do music and art? Are they constantly looking for ways to improve on the genre and advance their work, or do they just sort of throw a bunch of sex scenes down on paper and pretend it never happened?

I would like to meet a Nukige writer and interview him, they must be interesting people.

>>7389597
How about an editor?

http://mangagamer.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/the-perils-of-editing-nukige/

>>7389610
That was an interesting read, thanks. But I always hear people bitch about translating them. It would be nice to see a writers thought process, I'm sure it's miles different creating your own porn than translating some other guys stuff.

It would be interesting to see how much they care/think about/try to improve their work, or if they just throw down generic stuff because they know people would buy it.

FWIW, we've logged the translations from the chat, and once I've had some coffee and properly woken up, I'll be condensing it for the blog.

>>7389622

Why do you hate money?

Summary's up on the blog. Long post is long.

http://mangagamer.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/bamboos-livechat/

>>7389622
Cool. Are you guys happy with how the chat turned out? It'd be nice if that does become a regular thing you guys do in the future, like Bamboo said.

>bamboo announced that MangaGamer is currently negotiating for Navel’s Oretachi ni Tsubasa wa Nai, and that negotiations are “going steadily.”
It would be awesome if they got their hands on this.

>>7390076
yea. cant wait for them to ruin another great vn

>>7390103
get out Moogy

>>7390108

>MangaGamer being in business for around for three years,

Wow. Has it really been that long? How time flies.

Bamboo seems like a cool guy.

>キチンとライセンス商品を購入する。（値段に関しての論議は大歓迎
）

It literally translates to "don't buy japanese only game (buy only the ones licensed in your country"

FYI.

>>7390148
No it doesn't.

>>7390153
Yes it is.
Prove otherwise.

>>7390153
He has a point, "properly licensed" excludes every other game that isn't, which includes japan only games.

>>7390153
ライセンス商品 does not mean "not-bootleg" in case you are confused

For example : http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/l_goods/index.html
It just means those DS accessories are not made by Nintendo but they obtained license from Nintendo.

If we compare it to VN it will just mean the VN is not manufactured by the devs (because it is manufactured by MG) but MG obtained license (to produce) for the VN.

>>7390175
Forgot to add:

So let's say you're a eurofag and lives in europe and you bought some obscure weeaboo vidya that's localized for North America. Does that mean the vidya you bought is licensed? Answer is no, because it's only "licensed" for North America release but not for Europe.

It still doesn't explicitly say "don't buy the Japanese copies". It's merely implied by virtue of what a license is. Someone should ask Bamboo next time if he has a problem with foreigners importing VNs.

>>7390200
How would you translate
>キチンとライセンス商品を購入する。
then?

captcha : devoca Moriya

>>7387589
But I do! I don't buy them though, so it seems like the right decision anyway.

Great now you fags brought bangcock back.

>>7390274
Nobody gives a shit. He has a point.
Stop mindlessly ad hominem'ing a person just because you got buttdevastated from him in the past for whatever reason.

>>7390225
It says 'buy properly licensed goods'. No more, no less. He's not saying you shouldn't buy Japan-only games. Hell, he doesn't even say you can't buy bootleg games!

Take the context with it:
>・違法ダウンロードはしない。
>・キチンとライセンス商品を購入する。（値段に関しての論議は大歓迎
）
>・作品に対しての議論をしてくれる。
>
>この3つが向上すれば、もう少し耳を傾けてくれるメーカーが増えると思
います。
He's saying companies will listen to them if people buy more licensed goods. That's all that sentence means.

>>7390655
>>7390172

>>7390665
He's saying 'buy licensed games'. He's not saying 'don't buy unlicensed games' or 'buy only licensed games'.

>>7390675
>キチンとライセンス商品を購入する
this does not translate to "buy properly licensed game" but more like "properly buy licensed game" which implies you should not buy an unlicensed game.

>キチンと