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>http://mangagamer.wordpress.com/2011/05/17/announcing-kara-no-shoujo/

>> No.7359300

Nice. Something I'll actually buy

>> No.7359301

>>7359296
I can't wait to pirate it.

>> No.7359302

>(Some changes were necessary for our release, which we will discuss in another post next week.)
?

>> No.7359307

>Some changes were necessary for our release, which we will discuss in another post next week.
(´_ゝ`)凸

>> No.7359309
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7359309

>>7359300
Yeah, fuck...I'm out of excuses I'm actually going to buy this...I can't think of anything to bitch about....

>(Some changes were necessary for our release, which we will discuss in another post next week.)

LOL JK

DAY 1 PIRATE FUCK YOU MANGAGAMER AHAHAHAHAH

>> No.7359311

Save your nerd rage until after they actually say what was altered.

>> No.7359312

the have taken the voices out like koihime musou

>> No.7359313

>>7359302

Mangagamer hates money so expect something awful.

>> No.7359317

>>7359312
That'd be a great way to not get my money so it's probably true.

>> No.7359320

I'm not gonna buy it if it's not golden master.

>> No.7359328

I can't wait to buy it so I can support localizations of REAL DEAL so we stop getting Disney shit.

>> No.7359329

>We have removed all forms of sex, blood, music, voices, and text.

Enjoy looking at.....a black screen

>> No.7359338

>>7359328
Did you buy Demonbane?

>> No.7359340
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7359340

>>7359328

>> No.7359347

>>7359338
Yes, I only purchase the realest of deals.

>> No.7359357

Support MangaGamer's official localizations of Innocent Grey Games!

>> No.7359383

>>7359317
http://www.mangagamer.com/r18/Titles/Details/359B59DA-2B1C-4FD1-8574-58C8343CF220/kara-no-shoujo

It says "No Voices".

>> No.7359389

>>7359383

How can one company hate money so much?

>> No.7359391

>>7359383
Pretty big cast

>> No.7359400 [DELETED] 

>>7359383
Awwwwww shit

>> No.7359393

>>7359383

most excellent. another game to pirate and wait for a voice patch.

its like they dont want to even make money. why are they even in this business? if you're not going to offer the whole package, leave it up to the fan-translators and go home.

>> No.7359395

>>7359383
What?

>> No.7359396

>>7359389
By getting into the business of translating eroge.

>> No.7359398

>>7359383
oh fuck them

>> No.7359403

>>7359389
They need 2000 sales if you want the voice patch.

>> No.7359407

>>7359403
Turn it into a disk, and I'll reconsider.

>> No.7359408

>>7359383
>sit on finished translation for two years
>release scond game in the series
>without voices

>> No.7359412

>Without Mosaics
Awww yea fuck voices I just need my uncensored rape.

>> No.7359415

>>7359412
You can't have a good rape scene without voices.

>> No.7359416

>>7359408
Kara no Shoujo has been translated for two years? I thought this is the first game in the series.

Fuck I don't even know what is going on anymore keeping up with this bullshit is harder than learning Japanese.

>> No.7359423

>>7359383
Fuck this shit.

>> No.7359429

>>7359415
>>7359412
Well there isn't any rape in this game anyways so there's no need to worry.

>> No.7359436

>>7359408
>>7359416
oh wait only one year

>> No.7359444

>>7359403

unlike koihime musou i dont think they ever plan to add voices due to not being able to aquire the rights or something judging by the lowered price

>> No.7359448

Kouhime set a bad precedent.
Now they know they can release game without voices and people will still buy them.

>> No.7359463

>>7359448
Uh, Kouhime only sold like 1,000 copies there's no way in hell they made a dime off of it. I guess it set the precedent that if you want to lose a ton of fucking money exclude voices.

Not that voices would have added more than a hundred or two sales anyways...I feel bad for these companies because it's the business is so futile. I wish they'd all just go out of business rather than limp along and make the fans and themselves suffer.

>> No.7359502

>>7359463
They must be making some profit if they're still going around licensing stuff.

>> No.7359515

>>7359502

Believe it or not this isn't quite true. There is a reason thousands of business in US/NA stay open even when they are operating in the red.

Is it smart? Not really, but they are holding on to a thin thread.

Also seriously no voices? Fuck even Demonbane had voiced sex scenes. Which is what we all play these games for right?

>> No.7359518

>>7359444
>unlike koihime musou i dont think they ever plan to add voices due to not being able to aquire the rights or something judging by the lowered price

Fucking headshot.
Fuck this shit, I am learning Japanese from today on.

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>> No.7359536

>>7359518
Someone will patch them in eventually. Enjoy waiting forever though.

>> No.7359556

>>7359536
>Enjoy waiting forever though.

I am tired of being beta and waiting for good shit to happen.

>> No.7359585

[_] Learn programming and write up script that inserts voices again.
[_] Wait for someone to do it for you.
[x] Bitch, moan and complain about how easy inserting voices is so why aren't hackers doing it fast enough.

>> No.7359595

>>7359585
yeah im going to insert voices in the unreleased game. how about i translate kns2 while im at it

>> No.7359635

>>7359515
Somehow, I don't believe that.
JAST is profitable and their titles are horrible.

No way they aren't at least breaking even.

>> No.7359756

>>7359635
Except JAST/Nitro+ also cut the voices from Demonbane...

Shingo posted on their forums they couldn't get voices due to (read between the lines: cost)

It's probably a matter of VAs being greedy--and they can go screw themselves in that case.

>> No.7359773

>>7359585

Apparently it's rather easy to add the voices back.

>>7359756

You mean they didn't add the PS2-only voices? No need to be deceptive. Though, to be fair, Nitro+ did pretty much nothing as far as the Demonbane release went.

>> No.7359869

>>7359773
>Apparently it's rather easy to add the voices back.
Adding the voices back in would probably take five minutes if one;
-has adequate programming knowledge,
-spends time analysing how the engine works,
-writes up a script that automates the process and checks for bugs,
-releases it to people, who have nothing to say other than "it's easy", for zero personal gain

Sounds good to me.

>> No.7359874 [DELETED] 

For your info, the english release is designed in a way it's pretty easy to add voices back in.
For once it's not really MG's fault they couldn't get them. It's just that Innogrey licenses everything for the games they do, so they don't own the voices, the engine etc, and even though they invested craploads of money into it already -seriously a lot, I was pretty surprised-, one would also have to negotiate and convince the various companies for an English release, who think the English speaking market is like the Japanese market so they can ask for astronomical amount of money for the rights of voices. They asked something outrageous; we've been told they'd have to sell like 3000 (yes, 3k) games just to cover the voices ALONE (ie. nothing else).
Thus, all we the fantranslators, and all MG could do is make voicepatching easy, which really is trivial now.

>> No.7359894

>>7359869
Nah don't worry. It really would take like 5 minutes matching the voices automatically.

>> No.7359915

For your info, the english release is designed in a way it's pretty easy to add voices back in.
For once it's not really MG's fault they couldn't get them. It's just that Innogrey licenses everything for the games they do, so they don't own the voices, the engine etc, and even though they invested craploads of money into it already -seriously a lot, I was pretty surprised-, one would also have to negotiate and convince the various companies for an English release, who think the English speaking market is like the Japanese market so they can ask for astronomical amount of money for the rights of voices. They asked something outrageous; we've been told they'd have to sell like 3000 (yes, 3k) games just to cover the voices ALONE (ie. nothing else).
Thus, all we the fantranslators could do is make voicepatching easy, which really is trivial now.

>> No.7359919

Doesn't playing KnS first completely spoil Cartagra? Why aren't they releasing that first instead?

Does this mean that the fantranslators will leak Cartagra or something?

>> No.7359926

I really hope the wonderful people who did the Koihime Musou patch will once again reappear and save us all from a unfeeling world of music and sound effects.

>> No.7359935

>>7359915
>For once it's not really MG's fault they couldn't get them.
It's never MG's fault if we go by what they say

>> No.7359947

>>7359915
it isnt my fault mg releases unvoiced games so im just going to pirate it

>> No.7359968

>>7359935
This time it was really out of their hands though, unlike in Koihime's case.
>>7359947
*shrug*.

>> No.7359973

I'll wait for the inevitable voice patch and then buy it. I really want more Innocent Grey games released.

>> No.7359974

>>7359947
>implying that you're not going to be pirating it, regardless as to whether its voiced or not.

>> No.7359981

>>7359974
actually i dont think im going to pirate it. kinda lost interest in vns

>> No.7359986

At least it's cheaper than Koihime Musou, still going to pirate it though

>> No.7360000

>>7359463
>.I feel bad for these companies because it's the business is so futile. I wish they'd all just go out of business rather than limp along and make the fans and themselves suffer.
It's pretty obvious they make a profit on this, both companies are releasing 3+ games at the same time as of now, something unthinkable just a year ago.
What's funny is that people say "as long as there's a voicepatch I'll buy it", which makes MG constantly fishing for anonymous people making up for their cheapskate business choices. Who cares about spending a lot for voices as long as there are nerds willing to complete your product for free? And people will buy it all the same. When you have buyers so desperate as to buy defective products, you do make a profit because you also spent a lot less.

>> No.7360005

I don't really care about the voices all that much since there will be a fan patch to fix it. I really hope they keep the music though since Kara no Shoujo has a beautiful soundtrack

>> No.7360010

>>7360005
>Kara no Shoujo was an outstanding competitor in the 2008 Bishoujo Game Awards, taking home the gold medal for BGM,
If they took out some stuff from it after that they would be retarded.

>> No.7360014

>>7360010
Nah, there are no changes in the BGM. That said, I personally thought PP Pianissimo's sountrack was a lot better myself.

>> No.7360019 [DELETED] 

>>7360005
This is what concerns me. Fuck voices, I just hope all the BGM is still there.

>> No.7360021

>>7360014
I've been looking for Pianissimo's soundtrack. Would you happen to have a link to it?

>> No.7360028

>>7360014
Ah that's good to hear if it is true. I still haven't been able to give PP Pianissimo's soundtrack a listen.

>> No.7360038

Shit, I began to learn japanese a year ago for KnS and Cartagra, I've achieved JLPT 2, now I'm ready to read an original - and what is this? What is this?

>> No.7360043

>>7360038
read Cartagra so you won't be spoiled by Kara no Shoujo

>> No.7360048

How much should we actually wait till Cartagra release?

>> No.7360057

>>7360038
Either you have too much free time on your hands, or you're lying through your teeth.

>> No.7360078

>>7360057
I'm a schoolboy. Both options can be true.

>> No.7360156

>>7359383
They don't "hate money", it's simply no one ever buys the games and agencies ask for shitloads of money for voice, which, in return, is not avaible and would make the localization of said games impossible. So you either get these games without voices or you don't -- at all.

The one way to make more quality games get released WITH voices is to support MG, which a lot of people here won't do for a lot of retarded reasons. This business is a two way street, and as long as no support is given to them, you can't expect to see any changes in a near future. Or well, you can. They'll eventually go out of business and you won't be able to pirate your games anymore.

That said, looking forward to this, and definitely buying it. A really good game, with some of the best musics in the medium.

>> No.7360161

>>7360156
Another way to make more quality games get released with voices is to support fantranslations and not shitty localization companies.

>> No.7360168

>buy or I can't pay rent
>buy or you won't get voices
>buy or you won't get good games
>buy or you won't get games at all
always the same shit, forcing a market and then complaining when people don't bend over backwards for promises in 10 years and subpar products

>> No.7360169

I'll only be buying this because I want to see other Innocent Grey titles released.

>> No.7360172

>>7360161
How exactly do you "support" a fantranslation? You download their patch once it's done? Man, that's big.

Fantranslations still exist, and MG (and whoever else) aren't stopping anyone of doing it. That said, having companies which are actually licensing shit and releasing them increases the number of titles you'd see, and I clearly cannot understand how exactly this is a bad thing. Or why you'd want to stop their business from getting bigger if you actually like these kind of games.

In a way, you remind me of the people who look at Crunchyroll and say "I'm not going to pay for this" when they provide you with anime a few hours after the original airing at most time, with mostly good translations, simply because "there are fansubs". Way to go, bud.

>> No.7360174

>>7360057

You think someone who has nothing but free time could achieve that in a year?

>> No.7360182

Official localizations are SHIT. Fuck you, morons! Fuck Moogy, Payne, fuck JAST, fuck Apoptosis, Vodka, kouryuu, ixrec, fuck MangaGamer, fuck GipFace, fuck NNL, fuck fucking minori. Fuck you, greedy bitches. I hope you'll fucking get kicked out of business and rot asap.

Only completely retarded piece of poop will support such RIPware! Yeah, lol, RIPWARE! It's official now, ahahahaha!

>> No.7360184

>>7360182
get out ripware devs

>> No.7360209

Mangagamer can keep releasing incomplete titles as much as they want, but they can be damn sure they ain't gonna get one fucking cent from me with those.

And I don't give a fuck about their excuses.

>> No.7360211

This thread is going places fast.

>> No.7360214

>>7360209
You weren't going to buy it even if it came with the voices.

>> No.7360218

>>7360209
"We're unable to license the voices without throwing away a whole shit ton of money" isn't really an excuse.

>> No.7360220

>>7360218
"No, fuck you, if you can't pay for voices fuck you for even trying to open a market and release these sort of games" is what people will tell you next. Don't even bother, really.

>> No.7360221

"Kouryuu’s got a post on things coming up soon, but I’ll get this out of the way now: This isn’t a case of “MG is poor/trying to spur sales” with the voices. This is a case of the agency that owns the track remembering the anime boom and refusing to negotiate to the realities of the current market.

Personally, I feel the title is strong enough to be carried even without the voicing, but I’m a bit biased as I went through the entire thing as a series of Word files and was still thoroughly entranced."

Not a single one of you bothered reading the comments? Why am I still surprised?

>> No.7360238

"getting a slightly modified game is still better than no game" - FH devs

>> No.7360263

I see it more as we don't release an official voice patch knowing full well fans will be easily able to make there own giving people a fully voiced option while being able to screw over the voice agencies on their fees.

>> No.7360272

Is it going to get a box/disc?

>> No.7360279

>>7360272
yes after everyone who care will buy it they will rerelease it

>> No.7360286

What bothers me is why don't they release Cartagra first if KnS spoils it? Is that game worse or something? Does that mean they have no plans to release it at all? If they actually have, it would be pretty retared doing so after KnS. I don't see the logic here.

I know for business and market standard logic often does not apply, but this is just fucked up.

>> No.7360288

>>7360286
>Negotiation for KNS was started way before Cartagra was even began to be translated. When it was translated KNS talks were past the point where one could change their mind about which game to bring over. That's it.
retarded bullshit

>> No.7360291

>>7360286
KnS doesn't spoil Cartagra, everyone that tells you otherwise hasn't read both games and is probably retarded.

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7360293

>>7360288
I have no words for this. I really have none.
And these guys want my money?

>> No.7360298

>>7360291
Everyone in this thread said so. I could not know, because I haven't read them. Maybe I made a mistake by assuming they are telling the truth, but I don't see why anyone would lie about this.

>> No.7360303

>>7360298
Snowball. Guy reads somewhere it "spoils" the game, proceeds to spread info, and then more people who never read it will assume it is true.

You could probably say it has a couple "spoilers", but they are minimal things which could be expected from the get-go once you start reading Cartagra. It won't detract from the experience at all, I guarantee.

>> No.7360320

>>7360288
You can call it what you want, it really is what happened.

>> No.7360333

>>7360320
so youre saying that mg contacted ig then later after kns was translated ig sent c&d and only after this mg contacted fanproject?

>> No.7360349

>>7360333
IG sent a C&D and the fantranslators for KnS contacted mangagamer before Cartagra was finished.

>> No.7360355

>>7360349
okay

>> No.7360362

>>7360333
No, not at all. Innogrey sent the C&D. We asked MG to inquire that they C&D'd due to the craze going on back then after Minori, or because they are genuinely interested in releasing their games outside to the foreign market. They said the latter and they are very keen on making an English release, so all 3 parties involved joined up to release the game already translated. Cartagra was translated only after it like 2 months later that point or so. That's the gist.

>> No.7360394

>>7360362
Fuck off, TLWiki whore.

>> No.7360401

>>7360394
This remark was totally not retarded, and was absolutely necessary.

>> No.7360419

>>7360362
So how well will KnS have to sell before we get Cartagra?

>> No.7360447

>>7359915
>we've been told they'd have to sell like 3000 (yes, 3k) games just to cover the voices ALONE
Holy shit, with current price (€24.95) that's over $100 000 just for the voices.
If MG lowered the price because they are not planning to add voices, it probably means that 3k number referred to the copies sold at higher price and that the voice license fee is even higher.
Agency holding the seiyuu rights must hate money even more than MG.

>> No.7360454

>>7360419
How would I know?

>> No.7360455

>>7360447
They get the money they are asking for in Japan. All they see is the baka gaijin doesn't want to pay that kind of money. That is why they don't generally care about foreign markets.

>> No.7360474

>>7360447
To be honest, seiyuu market is radically different than its western counterpart, it's not really that rare to see people buy games just for the seiyuu roster alone.
Seiyuu can ask a lot and companies can pay a lot because there's a market for it and they know there's going to be profit in return. Western users are different, and more or less don't even know eroge seiyuu big names.
Innocent Grey probably paid a lot for voices and there's basically zero possibility of return money from it, it's not like you can't see where they're coming from.

>> No.7360477

>>7360447

Well when Japan pays their top voice actors almost the equivalent of $2.00/word you can see why it gets expensive.

Hell even non-famous voice actors get around $1.30/word I believe.

>> No.7360587

>>7360014
Do you have a link to that soundtrack?

>> No.7360820

>>7360587
No, sorry, I can't find it anywhere.

>> No.7360924

What group was behind the original translation? TLWiki?

>> No.7360953

>>7360924
Originally a translator who didn't translate anything before (learned 4 years of Japanese during uni), translated roughly like 20% of the game from agth's output, and then he revealed he's translating it when the amaterasu poll had kns in the top10 of their poll's second round. So stuff was moved quickly onto tlwiki's site to testify quickly that it really was a genuine project, not just some evil malicious scheme trying to take one game out, and then other random people joined in to the project.

>> No.7361001

>>7360953
but what about Moogy

>> No.7361019

>>7361001
What about him? He never had anything to do with the project if that's what you asking.

>> No.7361274

I still don't get why they ask for so much money. Surely any amount of money for voices would be a profit for the voice actors. Even a dollar per game would make their wallets grow. Sure, if they are used to 30 dollars per game it would feel odd for them, but you shouldn't say no to free money just because you are greedy.

I'm actually tempted to buy the game (After the music patch has been fixed) just to annoy the voice actors instead of the good old annoy MG for censorship or poor translations.

It really is a wonderful concept. Steal from all who oppose me.

>> No.7361280

>>7361274
Because it's the VA agency's that charge for the voices, and they want their profit, and could probably care less about how much the VA's make.

>> No.7361655

>>7361274

Everything has a certain market value, if you offer to buy something for a fraction of the market value the seller usually will refuse your offer - even if that means that he won't get any money at all. That's a completely normal reaction.

The problem is that the VA company fails to realize that the market value of their licenses for an English game is significantly below the market value of the same licenses in Japan.

>> No.7361790

>>7360477
It's per line/block

>> No.7361816

>>7360156

This. Well put, Anonymous.

>> No.7362072

>>7361655
The thing that makes it ridiculous, though, is that these voices aren't a true "product" - they have, literally, infinite copies. While that behavior holds true when one actually loses a item after selling it, it makes no logical sense for a license to a digital item, provided that the offer is the least bit reasonable.

>> No.7362079

>>7362072

The value they give to the license is a value they estimate companies can afford. Given that MG offered far below their estimate, they're probably just keeping the table open for a better deal (unaware they will never get one, ofc).

>> No.7362230

>>7362079
That's the fallacy I tried to point out - since no other offers possibly exist, it just seems ludicrous for them to deny the deal. But I suppose you are right, they just don't know that an American VA market doesn't exist

>> No.7362629

>mangagamer
And another title ruined for purchase ever again, due to mangagamer never having physical copies.
It's like steam all over again, only that these are exclusive titles bound by license, binding it to "steam" forever.

>> No.7362654

>>7362629
Kira Kira and Higurashi have hard copies.

>> No.7362748

>>7362654
>Kira Kira and Higurashi have hard copies.
Don't you mean had? Also, at a limited supply during som conventions in the US or wherever it was?

>> No.7363332

>>7362629
I'd take Steam over perishable medium in a plastic DVD case anytime, so your argument is invalid. :opinions:

Saying "ruined for purchase" because of the lack of boxes is one of the most retarded and irritating things that I keep hearing.
MG licensed their translations of Higurashi and KiraKira to third party for iPhone apps, and they could do the same for a physical release. It's just that no company sees it as profitable. Probably not even JAST could turn a profit without a DL version supplementing physical release.

>> No.7364304

I'll buy it just because I know people from /jp/ will make a voice patch.

Out of curiosity, is anybody here interested in Manga Gamer's release of ef?

>> No.7364343

>>7364304
everyone has already played ef

>> No.7364402

>>7364343
Exactly. I'm also worried about the changes to the localization to conform to western 'all characters are over 18' laws. It'll really bother me when they pretend all the characters are in college like they did with Da Capo.

Still, uncensored HCG's, having the extras available plus persuading Minori to license their other titles in the west. Kind of want.

>> No.7364424

>>7364343

I haven't. Tell about what's different compared to the rest of VNs out there. Its selling points!

>> No.7364436

>>7364424
ef has kawaii supah punch!

>> No.7364442

>>7364424
Ef is to the dating sim / romance genre what Muv Luv Alternative is to the dating sim /mecha genre. It's extremely fucking good basically. Unfortunately all the drama between Minori and NNL at the time overshadowed discussion of the actual game.

>> No.7364465

Funny thing is, Minori are doing a much faster job altering the ef engine for western release than Nitroplus did for Demonbane. N+ are either incompetent or really don't give a shit about their western fans.

>> No.7364477

When are they supposed to release ef anyway?

>> No.7364529

>>7364424
Production values.
That's it.
Oh and broken girls. Dead ones too. But those are in all "good" VNs nowadays.

>> No.7364541

>>7364529
>noko+sage
Confirmed for homosexual

>> No.7364548

>>7364541
It's noko+loli+buttmad+autism+sageru
And get out of /jp/.

>> No.7364549

>>7364541
Lots of people use it. Welcome to /jp/.

>> No.7364607

>>7364549
/jp/ confirmed for homosexual.

>> No.7364614

They should be calling it "Girl in the Shell," they'd sell thousands of copies just from people who mistake it for Ghost in the Shell.

>> No.7364621

>>7364607
>the more you know
/jp/anons would slap you if you said /jp/ was ever straight.

>> No.7364637

>uncensored
Are there patches that take the uncensored CG from western releases and insert them into the Japanese versions?

>> No.7364648

>>7364637
I've always wondered whether Japanese eroge fans do this.

>> No.7364804

>>7364648
they probably have too much of a fetish for mosaics.

>> No.7365172

>>7363332
>I'd take Steam over perishable medium in a plastic DVD case anytime
You mean, over the thing with the actual value? Where is the value in a limited liscense allowing you to play a digital compilation of their thing, through their horrendeous DRM?

Physical copies can be shelfed, and at least have collector's value.
Physical copies themselves automatically places the product on a whole other level of value. Add a decent bundle and the collectors' value skyrockets.

But digital copies? Flawed liscenses providing you with awkward digital releases and DRM? And what else?
The digital copy is no better than pirated shit, especially considering how the pirated shit more so than not have gotten rid of the DRM.
How can it be better than physical copies?

The only reason I can see why not, would be if you have more mony to burn than you can make waste of, and that you still would want to support a company. But if that is the case and one has that much money, then I still don't see one simply doesn't A) Get a physical copy with actual worth. B) Donate money to them directly C) Get both a copy and donate.
But if one actually cares about their money, then I can't fathom why people would spend their money on "nothing" with near zero value, but yes, that might perhaps just be me.

>> No.7365238

/jp/ I'll leave the voice patch to you. Good luck!

>> No.7365247

/jp/ - Mangagamer's bitch/General

>> No.7365249

>>7365172
>HURR COLLECTORS VALUE I LOVE MY SILVER PLATES AND BOXES

>> No.7365252

>>7365172
If you don't like it, that's your opinion, but if you seriously don't understand why _anybody_ would buy games through steam, you're an idiot.

>> No.7365374

Why are the voices so important? The translation is what matters.

>> No.7365383

>>7365374
It gives people a ready-made excuse to pirate the game, even though they wouldn't have bought it anyway.

>> No.7365403

>>7365383
because i need excuse to pirate something right. and there is plenty of reasons to not buy their shit anyway

>> No.7365422

>>7365374
They're part of the game, and in a medium where dialogue is the majority of the game, voices can be a major selling point. It's like if movies started going to home video with only subtitles and all the actors' voices removed despite the theatrical release being voiced. You could still watch and enjoy the movie without voices,as movies were in the beginning, but it's not the original product and it's not complete.

>> No.7365429

>>7365374
based on that logic, you might as well just be reading the script

>> No.7365483

It only took like what, a week to make a voice patch for KM? I don't see the problem.

>> No.7365490

So is this game the next big thing that won't live up to the unrealistic expectations set for it and be labeled babby's first VN within a week?

>> No.7365503

>>7365490
Welcome to /jp/. I enjoyed the week or so I had to enjoy Muv Luv Alternative before realising to my horror that it was actually a babby's first vn.

>> No.7365513

>>7365503
I don't think MLA will ever be babby's first due to having to read MLE and MLU first.

>> No.7365517

>>7365503
That happens to everything I enjoy.

Maybe one day there will be an eroge that can appropriately be labeled "real deal".

>> No.7365524

>>7365513

Indeed, it's such a fucking pain.

>>7365517

KnS is the realest of the real deals.

>> No.7365571

>>7365490
Comes with the territory. Translated VNs are a drop in the bucket and usually like, half a decade old. Every english language eroge will be babby's first VN.

>> No.7365584

>kara no shoujo
>no imouto route

fuck, don't remind me.

>> No.7365657

>>7365490
With all the investigations and how you'll have to pay attention to the story since YOU are the one collecting and then guessing the various evidences, persons, relations etc. I don't think the majority of /a/ or /v/ dwellers will even bother playing it to any significant degree, thus it likely won't get branded with your stupid forced meme.

Why would it not live whatever expectations you tout to be unrealistic? It really does have a complex and solid scenario, awesome art (Miki Sugina's art is so great), and immense atmosphere (heck, I literally was inches away of throwing up at one point reading when the culprit was detailing when that person fed fetuses with the victims, I was so into it.)
Though I guess guessing your taste from this post of yours, you probably shouldn't even bother since you too would likely share the same destiny what the /a/ + /v/ immigrants I described above would go through.

>> No.7365730

>>7365657

>THE REALEST OF THE REAL DEAL
>not unrealistic

Also, I'll be sure to spam the shit out of this game on /a/ and /v/ once it comes out just to spite you, faggot.

>> No.7365740

>>7365730
holy shit I'd be pissing myself in fear if I were >>7365657

>> No.7366147

>>7365657

Well, LA Noire just came out and if this is anything similar you might see it recommended in /v/'s VN threads, and then it will very soon become the new Babby's First.

>> No.7366161

Why isn't "babby's first" on auto-ban?

>> No.7366167

It's really depressing to see newfriends use real deal, disney, babby's first, etc in a non-satirical manner.

>> No.7366176

I still remember when you got banned for posting VNs in /a/ and /v/, and no one did it.

>> No.7366194

>>7366167
I only use real deal with a negative connotation.

>> No.7366199

>>7366167
Yeah, it makes me feel ashamed that I have ever used them an unintentionally helped its spread.

>> No.7366214

>>7366199
>*and

>> No.7366365

>>7366167

But I do use them ironically...

>> No.7366386

Do what you want cause a pirate is free.

>> No.7369487

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