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>this game blows.

You blow.

Yes you will.
And Christ, if people on /m/, to which Extra is anathema to them can get through it, so can you.

Why are you playing it if it blows?

Just do Miki's route.

Might as well just stop now since you'll likely be disappointed with Unlimited and Alt.

>>7330027
I heard that MLU and MLA were awesome instead of totally generic harem bullshit

Did I hear wrong?

>>7330032

What is disappointing about them? You're the first person I've heard who found them disappointing.

Also *spoilers*

While looking for a manual I found someone mention that Sumika is involved in some sort of bloody scene later on.

Basically, I'm assuming she's gonna die at some point in MLU/MLA. Are these games going to be ruined by me knowing that ahead of time?

>>7330043
You heard completely wrong.
And that's wrong too.

>>7330043
the harem permeates all the parts. Just stop reading ML if you can't appreciate the Animesque love comedy.

>>7330043
I don't think anyone says Unlimited is awesome. It's the same harem just in a military school instead of a normal one. And the first quarter of Alternative is a repeat of Unlimited. So basically what >>7330032 said.

you should do sumika's end first because it will make you so unsatisfied that you'll want to go back and get meiya's end right away.

>>7330043
you should just assume that everyone is going to die. that way you can be suprised about who lives without having to worry about spoilers.

>>7330043
At least lurk long enough to learn how to do spoilers.

>>7330026
Wait, why do people from /m/ like it?

>>7330072
The mechs I would assume.

>>7330072
Because it's shit and /m/ has equally shitty taste.

>>7330056
I liked unlimited. the ending was really emotional.

>>7330083
I liked it too but I wouldn't call it awesome, and I bet OP would hate it since he appears to be one of those "real deal only" types.

I don't know about that. The only other one I've played was FS/N, but I enjoyed it.

I can't see how the power of Love can't real deal.
It can cure illness and defeat any adversary.

>>7330096
Unlimited's ending is pretty real deal.

>>7330152
I can't think of a realer deal.

>>7330043
>totally generic harem bullshit
Kids these days...

>>7330358

Tuesdays?

>harem bullshit

It's a pretty decent harem, all considered. Meiya was the only one I hated in Extra, which is a damn fine accomplishment considering.

>>7330408
>Meiya was the only one I hated in Extra
what the fuck is wrong with you?

Indeed, Meiya was awful but the rest were just as awful, you should have hated them all

>>7330463

I pretty much instantly liked Sumika, for one (the game beginning with her diary really helped).

For another, Meiya just shows up out of nowhere, completely destroys Takeru's life, and acts as though her money can get her absolutely anything she wants.

She's a stupid fucking bitch in Extra and it's made worse by Tsukuyomi being equally stupid and bitchy, but twice as obstructive.

Thank god Unlimited humanized Meiya by making her not ludicrously rich, and thus sympathetic.

Yuuko > Kasumi > Meiya > Sumika > everybody else

>>7330568

meiya needed takeru to save her from her family. it's a little selfish but calling her a bitch is unfair. she sacrificed her personal life for her duty to her family, but held on to takeru's promise as her only link to a life that belonged to herself.

>>7330650
OP here. Is that a spoiler I should refrain from reading?

Also, I think I'm on Sumika's path. I just finished the part where Yuuko lost the race to the limousine guy. How much longer is this game?

>>7330658
90+ hours. Stop bitching about the length.
Are you a babby or what?

>>7330658
game ends on december 24th

Okay, OP here again. I'd like to take a break. How do I save?

>>7330674
>>7330677

Is this for "real deal" real?

>>7330746
>How do I save?
>real deal
just get out of here and play the goddamn fucking thing

Tama route is best route

Yeah the first harem section does tend to drag on but it's still decent and there's a ton of small hints and facts that become important later on.
Loved Ayamine but hated her route. Boring as hell. Every time she used the takeru-shield I couldn't help grinning.
Tama was cute as hell and I ended up liking Meiya a lot in her route when what she does actually starts to make sense. Never really took to Sumika or Class Rep though, maybe because I did their routes last.

extra would have been better without the lacrosse shit

>>7330783
I'm at the part where Maya volunteers to have uniforms made. Why we need to know the rules of lacrosse, I'm not sure. Kind of wish they had chosen something easy, like hockey.

>>7330792
they didn't even get the rules right. in girl's lacrosse you aren't allowed to touch other players.

I wouldn't know, I don't read that shit. Or play lacrosse. Holy shit I've been so confused because up to right now I've been reading "lacrosse" as "rugby".

Still don't know wtf lacross is but it makes more sense than rugby.

Not even halfway through yet x.x

Figured out how to save; taking break.

I personally think that the lacrosse part was the best in Extra. I knew bits about the game before despite being a european, but the in-depth strategies and stuff was still a nice read. It was also way more interesting choice than some other random mainstream sport.

>>7330820
We don't care.

>>7330841
eorofag spotted

>>7330568
Like you I disliked Meiya in Extra but thought she was decent in Unlimited (and Alternative). I thought it was partially because her personality made more sense in that world.

you nerds just don't understand how amazing she is in any world

>>7330879
It's kind of hard to when there's a clearly superior choice around. Maybe that's why I liked Meiya more in Unlimited, because Sumika wasn't there to outshine her.

This thread is shit so I don't care if it turns into another my Muvluv>your Muvluv thread.

>>7330893
oh I get it this must be backwards day because there's no way a savescumming cheater like sumika could be superior to meiya

Extra sucks hard.If you are a masochist do all the routes,if not,then just do Sumika's and Meiya's routes cause those are mandatory.No idea why though.

Unlimited isn't the best thing in the world either,but the ending was made of win so just do the route of the girl you liked best.Personally i went for Meiya because compared to Extra,she was wayyy more sympathetic and human.

Yuuko is the only good main heroine.

because it needs it

>>7330860
You have eyes of an eagle, my friend.

I firstly played tama route and was quite pleased, but then I found out how short it was. Why they wanted to make me cry in angst so hard?

>>7331518
Because that's what age does.

>>7330019
just play all routes, why do you ask for which route to take in first place??? i personally do Meiya´s first because i like her character. Try to check wich girl got your attention and play her route.
And if you are reading for better understand the next 2, you better play all routes as i say before, then you will get a better understanding about every character problems (they are not too longs but you will understand the things that Takeru say about them in the next games).

All the girls deserve her place in that game but above all. Meiya and Ayamine got the first place.

Motivate me, /jp/. This game is so dull.

>>7333760
If you're not enjoying it then stop fucking reading it. What is wrong with you?

>>7333760
no
don't force yourself to read something if you don't like it, use your time wisely

>>7333762
MLA looks really good.

>>7333775
MLA's goodness relies on you liking the rest of the series.

>>7333760
>You have three sisters? -- And all four of you love the same guy!?
This scene got me pretty motivated to see if I hear the rest of the Story from Capt. Isumi
Seriously, the main theme of Muv Luv is simply love.

>>7333786
>MLA's goodness relies on you liking the rest of age's games

>>7333824
You mean play KimiIta?

>>7333842
are kazama and munakata from that too?

>>7333867
http://www.age-soft.co.jp/Product/kimiita/chara/

>>7333883
wow, Marimo and Yuuko are in there too

>>7333926
And if you notice, one of Yuuko's sisters.

It's kind of saying something when Yuuko is the least attractive sister of the three.

>>7333926
They were added in for the remake.
Like Shinji.

>>7333936
They better have fucking routes.

Which Muv-Luv has the most lethal hair?

>>7333947
Nope. I don't expect anyone who wasn't in KimiIta already to have one. And really, I doubt anyone who isn't an Isumi sister to have one.

>not like extra

>>7334000
I expect the other Kouzuki sister to be at least fuckable, even if she doesn't have a full route.

so was this game with isumi a typical romance drama vn?

>>7333960
Akane.
Don't mind the details.

Who are the hottest age girls? In general, including all of their works.

>>7334073
Yuuko is easily the most terrifying person featured in an age work.
Aside from that, Opinions.

>>7334076
There's only one that can equal her.

I really liked Ayamine, so I did her route when I read extra. It was so awful I couldn't appreciate her character for the rest of the story.

To OP, Sumika and Meiya's routes are mostly the same. You'll have maybe an hour's worth of different scenes to read once you finish either one. I'd recommend doing those, at least.

>>7333883
>Munakata and Touko on uniforms

>>7334778
since they're different colors does that mean one is older than the other?

>>7335114
Yes, I'm not sure I remember the color codings right but I think they're probably second year (red) and third year (green)

>>7335130
3rd year is purple

>>7330043
>I heard that MLU and MLA were awesome instead of totally generic harem bullshit
Muv Luv Extra is actually quite nice except the Chizuru/Ayamine (not Ayamine herself) route. But hey I guess you didn't play much VN. I played Shuffle before and it was boring in comparison.

>>7334094
So, how terrifying is Yuuko's sister?

>>7335141
Chizuru's route is somewhat ok. It's a little too melodramatic, but the source of the drama itself isn't bad, considering this is a teenager. The confession in the middle of the questioning and everyone going "What the hell?!" including Chizuru was fun.

Ayamine's route is pretty boring though, as you said. And the source of the drama is rather shaky. But Ayamine herself is likeable enough.

>>7335135
oh fuck, you're right. Then it's red first year and green second.

I'd suggest Ayamine, Tama and Chizuru first in any order.

I've only completed those 3 and am currently on Marimo, but those 3 finished shortly after the end of the Lacrosse Tournament whilst Marimo (and so I guess Meiya and Sumika) continued afterwards.

>>7335141
>Asa

>Not the best character ever

choose 1

>>7335172
She's not, she's actually a good person. Though that's just from what we get to see of her.

>>7330580
This is an opinion

Yuuko > Meiya >Ayamine >everybody else > Sumika

This is true:

>Ayamine > Sumika

>>7330580
>>7335596
yuuko> Marimo chan> Mitsurugi sisters =Sumika=Ayamine=> everybody else.
Also i really want a translated Altered Fable.. theres a meiya and her sister route/ending right?

Sumika > Mikoto > Ayamine > Tamase > Class Rep > Mitsurugi

>>7335984
You should do stand-up

>>7335987
If you're implying I'm not entitled to my opinion, you can go fuck yourself.

Sumika > Tama = Mikoto = Chizuru = Ayamine > Meiya

>>7335973
>theres a meiya and her sister route/ending right?
not really, the plot is always the same, but you can have a couple of heroine-focused scenes and last two seconds of the ending scene. the sex scene is a dream and doesn't really happen

>>7336010
What the hell is the point of it, if its not really all about the Mitsurugi sisters then? i thought they were the focus point and Sumika is kinda shafted?

kasumi > everyone else

>>7336020
The point is to see Kasumi being moe.
Seriously the christmas event with her as pov character is really adorable.

>>7336020
Yuuhi does take a somewhat central role in the """"plot"""", but most of the material is either the whole group together or decided by the reader for the particular scenes. No one is really "shafted", that's the point of the fandisk, give more material to everyone.

Stella > Cryska > Yui > Sharon > Inia > Tarisa > Extra/Unlimited/Alternative cast

<---- > yuuko > everything

Sumika = Meiya > Tama = Fem Mikoto > Ayamine = Class Rep

Anything else is wrong and beta as fuck.

Sumika = Alt Meiya > everyone else > Extra Meiya.

Fact.

Hey /jp/, I'm not too much into mecha, but if you had to compare it to one animu/mango/other VN, what would you compare it too?

Just to know if I want to give it a try, considering the whole story seems to be so damn long.

>>7336735
Zeta Gundam

>>7336738
MLA isn't shit and stupid enough

>>7336735
crossover between Gunbuster (alien enemies that seem overwhelming, training parts, desperate last mission, main character growth) and 07th MS Team ("realistic" mech warfare, barriers between love interest), with weirder hairdos

>>7336735
Definitely Evangelion. The way they handled the missions with tons of operators screaming military jargon reaaaally reminded of Eva. Also, as >>7336828 pointed out, Gunbuster also comes into mind.

Also, what I'm going to say is a fact and not open for discussion:
Chizuru > Sumika > Ayamine > Meiya > Makoto > Tamase.

If you disagree I regret to inform you that your tastes in muvluvs is shite.

>>7336836
>The way they handled the missions with tons of operators screaming military jargon reaaaally reminded of Eva.
...that's not particular to Evangelion though

>>7336836
From EVA, I only saw some references here and there like Meiya's body befroe dying

>>7336735
>>7336828

If you ask me it's more like a Japanese take on both Ender's Game and Starship Troopers, but with mecha.

>>7336845
So what? That's what I was reminded of, not saying they were ripping Eva off or something.

>>7336847
I know, even the author confirmed it was an inspiration, but he asked for anime and manga sources.

>>7336856
>>7336847
Dude that asked for similar stuff, I've read Ender's Game (couldn't get into Starship Troopers, but I think it's mostly because every time I wanted to read it I wasn't in the mood). Asked for similarities with japanese media mostly because I thought it'd be easier to compare to those.

>>7336836
I liked that about Eva.

Will definitely check it out.

>>7336856

Why would you want to watch an anime when you can read Ender's Game?

>>7336920
>couldn't get into Starship Troopers

Don't bother, it's fascist bullshit. Watch the movie instead, it's clearly the inspiration for the CHOMP scenes in Alt.

>>7336935
...let me repeat myself, what I want to watch/read is not the issue here.
He asked for similar anime/manga so that's what I proposed. If he said books I probably would've mentioned them, but he didn't so I didn't.

Piatif, so good. Whenever she said "kurikaesu" I loved her a bit more.

>>7330580

marimo-chan > isumi > meiya > ayamine > everyone else

>>7336935
Never understood the fascination with Ender's Game.
Most of the time the author is masturbating heavily about the training room he thought of.
Rest of the book read like a bad manga

>>7336735
victory gundam
ender's game
starship troopers (movie)

>>7337118
Because the cool things about ender game is, they thought it is a training room but in actual fact they are killing real aliens and actually won in the end.

>>7337149
>victory gundam

This. Fucking this.

>>7337149
>victory gundam
MLA isn't shit and stupid enough

>>7338040
but it has a mother figure that gets decapitated in front of the protagonist and an all female supporting cast who gets killed off one at a time

>>7336020
The point is that all the girls can compete for Takeru's affections on a level playing field instead of a certain childhood friend getting an advantage by deleting his memories of hooking up with some other girl (the same childhood friend wanted to atone for that by leveling the playing field for herself and the others anyway). AF basically ends with the status quo with Takeru living a worry-free life and having picked no one, hence the alt title "Before The Shining Moment Fades"

I'm a bit mad that Alt's KimiNozo and KimiIta crew didn't join the nine-way fight in AF; who cares about Bakayuki or Masaki anyway.

Michiru's KimiIta PV from last year for those who haven't seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QITLgq0pAOM

Her other sisters have their own PVs but the four only differ in who gets lines.

Pic unrelated.

>>7333947
They already had routes in the Muv-Luv series, and age doesn't do inter-franchise pairings, so the prospects are dim.

WHERE IS MY MITSUKI-TAKERU ROUTE AGE WHAT YOU DID IN AF IS FAR FROM ENOUGH

>>7338261
where does this fit in the timeline? were munakata and kazama older or younger than mitsuki and haruka?

>>7336010
Damn that's pretty disappointing.
I guess I should stop downloading the torrent.

>>7338518
KimiIta takes place in 1999, a short while(?) before KimiNozo's prologue chapter, so by going with Alternative Valkyries' ranks relative to each other I guess Munakata, Mitsuki and Haruka are all in the same year (probably outgoing 2nd year) while Kazama and Akane share the same year (probably outgoing 1st year).

Which touhou would you fuck in a tree house?

>>7338992
Not so sure if I remember correctly, but have read somewhere that age wasn't even supposed to give a continuation (or pseudo-continuation, take your pick) of Final Extra in the first place and that they probably just gave in to fan pressure.
Also, >>7338231

>>7338993
I thought akane was 3 years younger than haruka. wasn't she in middle school when haruka got run over as a 3rd year high school student?

>>7339015
To be honest that doesn't really sit well with me.
Alt Takeru is from Extra Sumika Route Takeru. He should've returned to Extra Sumika Route not some harem world bullshit.

To be honest doesn't this undermine the whole point of Alternative?
Takeru/Sumika romance is a major plot point in Alt. Takeru wanted to return to Sumika.
All the other heroines got their respective parallel worlds where they win anyway.

So why did Extra Sumika route get turned into harem? I feel bad for Extra Sumika. She didn't do anything wrong. She's not the one wiping everyone's memories out. Alt Sumika wasn't doing it conciously in the first place.

Yuuko > Marimo > Isumi = Tsukuyomi > Ayamine = Mitsurugi sisters > Tama = Chizuru = Mikoto = Kasumi > everyone else = Sumika

Sumika is a slut anyway

>>7339015
To be honest that doesn't really sit well with me.
Alt Takeru is from Extra Sumika Route Takeru. He should've returned to Extra Sumika Route not some harem world bullshit.

To be honest doesn't this undermine the whole point of Alternative?
Takeru/Sumika romance is a major plot point in Alt. Takeru wanted to return to Sumika.
All the other heroines got their respective parallel worlds where they win anyway.

So why did Extra Sumika route get turned into harem? I feel bad for Extra Sumika. She didn't do anything wrong. She's not the one wiping everyone's memories out. Alt Sumika wasn't doing it conciously in the first place.

>>7339057
>Alt Takeru is from Extra Sumika Route Takeru.
He's actually from all the routes.

>>7339057
Though if you think about it, considering his memories of all the Extra and Alt routes, even though they are suppressed, he is more along the lines of meta-Takeru rather than the original Sumika route Takeru.
Ultimately, only a harem universe with permanent status quo is the only thing that can keep such a clusterfuck of contradictions.

Personally I would like to think that with the destruction of the causality conductor, Sumika route was fixed with its own Takeru and Alt Takeru became a separate existence with his own universe.

>>7339096
IIRC he's extra sumika route takeru but when he got plainshifted to unlimited he lost most of his memories so the memories of the other extra route gets added to compensate for his lost memories.

>>7339103
>Personally I would like to think that with the destruction of the causality conductor, Sumika route was fixed with its own Takeru and Alt Takeru became a separate existence with his own universe.

That's what I like to think too, unfortunately the game repeatedly points out how why that's not possible. The worlds wants stability so its pulling back Takeru.

So the only world where Takeru can return home to is his original world.
Extra Sumika got shafted. ;_;

>>7339057
>>7339155
> Alt Takeru is from Extra Sumika Route Takeru.
Honestly I'm not so sure about that now. After going back to that infodump at the end (pic related) and seeing something written by someone who played Alt when it came out back in 2006 (http://tinyurl.com/3ctt76g):

Kasumi specifically denies Sumika's will pulled Sumika Route!Takeru into UL/AL and said that "it was an unprecedented phenomenon" ("michi no genshou"). And before chalking this up to Amaterasu's failure to QC everything after Chapter 7, that linked post on Hongfire also took note of that, translating "michi no genshou" as "an unknown phenomenon" instead.

>>7339187
And speaking of Hongfire, dredged this up from that ancient thread (spoilering to be safe):

>OK, how do I describe this **** game...
Well, imagine that Lord of The Ring Return of the King was delayed for 3 years.
The fans of the first 2 have been waiting anxiously, expecting the third to be more exciting, beautifully done adventure.
You hold your precious money, rush into the nearest cinema totally excited...

Only to find that the film has somehow been replaced by Dawn of the Dead!
I mean, wtf!?
Big, big mistake by Age, I think no one will buy their games now, especially after over 1/3 of the original developers have long gone.

Funny how that one worked out for age eh?

>>7339187
That really doesn't disprove anything. That just means Kasumi can't confirm he's Sumika route Takeru.

But Takeru himself believes he's from Sumika's route.
And the game hints it alot. All the detailed flashbacks came from Extra Sumika route.
The rest are just quick random image flashes.

I got the OST
Anyone knows where the song 翼(GAME size) plays?
I can't remember.

>>7339455
Right when Takeru and Yuuko break into that power plant, and the security finds them. Fuck, how could you forget that scene.

>>7337368
What is the american guys role in altered fable?

Didn't they specifically say Alt!Takeru is made of Takeru from all the branches from Extra?

I'm pretty damn sure of this, but I'm too lazy to go check.

>>7339641
Foreign teacher. Same with Irma and Piatif.

>>7339641
He's part of a teacher exchange program that brings Radhabinod, Piatif, the fin pilot and him to the Extra academy. In truth, he's a CIA agent under cover sent to investigate some unidentified weapon capable of neutralizing nuclear reactions, which turns out to be Takeru's microwave oven. I'm not even kidding.

>>7339398
>That just means Kasumi can't confirm he's Sumika route Takeru.
We know the following from Kasumi's explanation:
1. The "Takeru" she had been talking to up to that point is a synthesis of the Takerus from many different worlds branching out of October 22 - those worlds where Takeru chose someone else.
2. From the exchange "It wasn't Sumika's will...?" "If it were, she would have chosen the you she wanted the most", (Takeru she wanted the most == Takeru already devoted to her == ExtraSumikaRoute!Takeru) we can derive the following statement: If the Takeru Kasumi had been talking to been ESR!Takeru, then Sumika's will would have what pulled ESR!Takeru to UL/AL, not an unknown phenomenon ("michi no genshou").
In logical form: ST implies SW.
From the two points above, we can deduce the following:
3. From Point 2, Kasumi gave a negative answer to Takeru's question if it were Sumika's will. Thus, !SW.
4. Then by modus tollens, from points 2 and 3, we can deduce !ST: ExtraSumikaRoute!Takeru is not the one Kasumi spoke to and therefore is not Alt!Takeru.

tl; dr: by modus tollens, (ST IMPL SW) AND (!SW) IMPL (!ST)

>detailed flashbacks
>You're forgetting to factor in Sumika's possessiveness into the equation. She wiped out his memories of the other girls after all, it's plausible that his flashbacks of the others won't be that clear as those of Sumika.

And since the reveal came at the end I'm more inclined to believe it (and Yuuko's theory of what happened) more than what Takeru himself believed.

>>7339656
Correct, see pic in >>7339187 and the preceding lines to it.

Marimo > all

Delicious Marimo~

>>7339714

>>7338993
I'm fairly certain KimiNozo's first chapter happens in 1998.

>>7339669
>>7339681
I guess I'll just believe you.
I don't like the idea of Extra Sumika getting shafted.

>>7339737

>>7330135
>It can cure illness and defeat any adversary.

No, it can't ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWA like badass GAR can in TTGL, therefore MoveLove is shit.

>>7339656
>Didn't they specifically say Alt!Takeru is made of Takeru from all the branches from Extra?

He's primarily Extra Sumika Takeru, since his memories of Extra Sumika are the most clear, but he's technically an amalgam made from them all. Since Takeru is basically the same in all worlds, it doesn't matter if his leg came from Chizuru Extra, his arm from Ayamine Extra, to give an exaggerated example.

In the light novel adaption, he is 100% Extra Sumika's Takeru.

>>7339714
>Delicious Marimo

I saw what you did there.

Fuck you, Soldier-kun.

Do the 18+ saves of Alt work on the Standard Edition? The long videos from the all ages versions Chapter 7 end, deaths of Haruko, Haruka, Mitsuki and Meiya, Radhabinod's speech, etc have been removed by the user, and I'm tempted to install the Standard version just to view them again.
I particularly liked Meiya's death scene in the all-ages version as they used an extended version of 'Meiya' instead of simply looping it as in the 18+ version, not to mention Takeru's voice acting there.

>>7342899
* long videos on YouTube

>>7342899
>Do the 18+ saves of Alt work on the Standard Edition?
As they're different versions of rUGP, I highly doubt it.

>>7342922
>>7342899
never mind, found a savefile for alt's standard edition

>>7343164
Also, took a look at age's support site and found a patch for MLA 18+ version which updates the engine from 5.70.18 to 5.70.51:
http://www.age-soft.co.jp/support.htm
Is this the legendary censor patch?
Also, the newer engine apparently adds full-screen extended (wide screen?) mode. The old saves are apparently compatible with the updated engine, but the new saves aren't compatible with the old engine. Of course the translation hooks may not work on the newer engine.

>>7343164
Also, took a look at age's support site and found a patch for MLA 18+ version which has an updater for the engine from 5.70.18 to 5.70.51, along a bunch of other files:
http://www.age-soft.co.jp/support.htm
I wonder if this is the legendary censor patch?

Also, the newer engine apparently adds full-screen extended (wide screen?) mode. The old saves are apparently compatible with the updated engine, but the new saves aren't compatible with the old engine. Of course the translation hooks may not work on the newer engine.

>>7343164
Mind posting a link to it?

>>7343854
http://kotonoha.iaigiri.com/muvluv_alt.rar.lzh
savefile for マブラヴ オルタネイティヴ 全年齢版 (MLA Standard Edition - the so-called all-ages version)

Extra Sumika got fucked hard by Alternative Sumkia

AL Sumika didn't have any competition for Takeru, so she didn't understand how hard it was for EX Sumika to win him over. So instead of letting things be...that obsessive bitch forced him into a harem and he lost his memories on top of things, and now EX Sumika has MORE competition.

Fucking stupid.

Is Takeru voiced during H-scenes?

>>7346237
Nope, only during flashbacks.

Which is a pity, because I like his voice, as nasal as it is. I'd love to listen to him during the action scences. Doesn't help that Ixrec goes overboard with exclamation marks and makes some phrases look more "loud" than they'd be if spoken.

>>7345057
You missed the part where Alt!Takeru is all branches of Extra together Takeru?

Sumika didn't get fucked over any more than everyone else. Takeru slept around with everyone in different branches, canonically.That slut.

>>7345057
>>7346255
Plus it also made some people have a happier ending.
Like the Mitsurugi family not having a schism or whatever for having twins. Also Kasumi is there and apparently remembers everything.

Anyone have a copy of the following?
マブラヴ オルタネイティヴ アナザーストーリー「贖罪」
マブラヴ オルタネイティヴ アナザーストーリー「継承」

>>7348533
Both are in Ayu Mayu Alternative, but
http://www.mediafire.com/?35acdd4gh7vlii6

What happened to my sound?

>>7336275

Looks familiar

>>7348539
You're probably running in safe mode.
Go to the title bar option and re-enable everything.

Just finished TDA00.

Did BETA attacked America and the rest of the world while humanity was G Bombing all their hives to pieces?

The BETA horde seems to have come from Australia...

And why are there no hscenes dammit.

>>7350392
The JFK was stuck somewhere east of Australia in the new landmass the entire time, not near America.

during the graduation scene takeru mentions that marimo helped him with something after alternative v was activated but he can't remember how. was that referring to getting his space ticket changed or was it forshadowing something coming in tda?

>>7350399
I know that.

The BETA horde came from the south. Only Australia is there and there wasn't any hives there.

And Melv(?) said contact to America was lost before the communication satellites started falling out of orbit.

>>7350433
We've yet to see the full extent of how much new land was created by the G Bombings, so it's possible that the BETA now have land routes to both America and Australia.
But it's been a while since I've read TDA00, and my Japanese wasn't as good then, so I can't really answer your questions.

>>7350425
I'm really hoping Takeru appears with the purple Takemikazuchi.

>>7350453
All of the hives are gone though.

Extra > Unlimited

Unlimited was pretty much a weak prologue to Alternative and had a ton of boring parts. Extra was a boring concept but as far as lolharem highschool stuff goes, it was good.

>>7350667
I doubt Takeru will appear.
Assuming the Type 00R appears, I assume you won't know who the pilot is.

>>7350762
aren't there only like 3 people it could possibly be?

>>7350745
I thought the lacrosse parts sucked. for some reason they way they kept calling it a crosse instead of a stick really annoyed me.

>>7350791
>aren't there only like 3 people it could possibly be?
Yeah, but I have a feeling age doesn't want TDA to take place after any specific route of Unlimited, but all of them.

>>7350805
It makes more sense for Takeru to pilot it.
They still need to send a heroine off to space and I doubt Yuuhi would be running around piloting it.

Speaking of TDA, I think the 'special package' the marines are trying to transport is either Sumika's brain or the BETA reactor.
I don't think you can transport a reactor though.

>>7350850
>It makes more sense for Takeru to pilot it.
While that may be true, I doubt they're actually going to name who the pilot actually is. If anything, I think they'll do something similar to White Glint in ACfA.

>>7350850
>I doubt Yuuhi would be running around piloting it.

Seems like the most likely candidate. Assuming TDA is a "neutral" route that doesn't follow any of the five UL heroines, that would mean Type-00R's pilot would have to be the same even in Meiya's good end. Yuuhi opted to stay on Earth, it makes more sense for Takeru and Squad 207B getting killed shortly after the Alt V ships leave the solar system because, as we learned in Alternative, the Sadogashima stab already extended under Gunma by December 2001. So in 2003, that shit would be right under Yokohama, a surprise attack right when Yokohama's preparing to kamikaze Kashgar seems probable. Especially in wake of G Bomb carpet bombing.

captcha: 1997: raddehabranob

>>7348539
Thanks.

So the TSF Tsukiyomi and the imperial guards saved on Sadogashima really is Isumi's sister.

Damn reading Captain Isumi's sisters reaction to her death report is pretty sad.

Good thing the real reason got declassified shortly after original hive.

>>7351028
That's pretty unlikely.
The US simultaneously G-Bombed and annihilated all the hives all at once.
JFK managed to resupply at Yokohama base after the fact.

I have no doubt that Yokohama base got annihilated during the tsunami though but that would be a pretty lame way for a protagonist to die.

>>7351223
>The US simultaneously G-Bombed and annihilated all the hives all at once.

That doesn't really matter. Susanoo Type-B exploded with the force of 20 G Bombs to annilate Sadogashima, and there were still 30,000 Sadogashima BETA in the stab, enough to rape Yokohama even with its best defenses on base. I seriously doubt the US wasted 20 G Bombs to overkill Sadogashima when they were trying to destroy all terrestrial hives.

Gunma is hella close to Kanagawa, and that was in 2001. By 2003, the BETA should literally be right underneath Yokohama. It's a miracle they didn't attack sooner.

>>7351336
Wouldn't the world get resetted if Takeru dies?
Takeru must still be alive.

>>7351702

The world actually isn't being reset when Takeru dies, that is a metaphor to explain Takeru's perception of repeating, all that's happening is his information is getting pulled back to October 22 after each "loop".

>>7351838
When did the game said that?

Wasn't that the whole point of Takeru being the Causality Conductor?
I remember Yuuko-sensei saying the world isn't branching as its supposed to, instead it's looping around him.
It was repeatedly insisted in the game that his Unlimited memories are his own personal experience.
And it's also the reason why Alt Sumika is so guilt ridden.

>>7351702
It's not that the world itself resets, but rather it's Takeru who is sent to another branch.

>>7352017

Time travel theory usually fits into two camps - 1. there's only a single timeline, and events made in the past simultaneously change the future, and 2. there are multiple timelines, each decision takes a person into a new parallel world. Changes in the past merely branch the time-traveler off into a new parallel world.

Muv-Luv assumes 2's interpretation for events in a single timeline (the same train), but uses 1 between parallel worlds (different trains). Using the water metaphor, Alternative's effect on Extra is a case of water (causality information) flowing through a faucet (causality conductor) from Alternative into Extra. But once the faucet has been closed, the water retreats back through the pipe as if nothing ever happened.

If you think of Takeru in october 22 (when he first incarnated in Alternative) as a computer, he's downloading the memories of himself from all the branches he dies in during Unlimited, so it's like he's always waking up and experiencing the loop again. He can only escape once his causality information is returned to Extra.

However, the impact he had on Alternative didn't change because Alternative's universe recorded information on Shirogane Takeru. You could almost say he was adopted as "Alternative Takeru" by Alternative's universe, so non-Extra causality information existed in Alternative because of him. By contrast, Takeru didn't stay in the Extra branch long enough for his influence to remain permanent.

>>7352900
When in the game did it say that?
That's pretty different to how it's explained in the game.

>>7354212

It's unrealistic to think that a small time-space anomale in Yokohama can reset the ENTIRE DAMN UNIVERSE when one person dies.

>>7354374
Small timespace anomalies can potentially do a lot of impressive crap. A reset is hard by any means, but within the boundaries of current physics, it's possible to get a vacuum decay and rape the entire universe as you know it with a relatively small event.

Are there any stories that details what happened after Alternative?

Did everyone really forgot him?

>>7354871

Almost everyone forgot about him but Kasumi's resolved to fight for the rest of her life to remember, and it seems Yuuko backed up her memory. There's also a shitload of evidence he left behind, like his Shiranui pilot data and his voice logs from Operation Ouka which were never declassified. But it seems only Kasumi has first hand memories of him.

>>7354871
There's a story set in 2003/4 in one of the LDX books that details the story of the remaining Valkyries and the operation to take Objective 20.

>>7354997
Did Akane lost an eye, after all? Also how bad were Munakata's/Touko's injuries?

>>7355010

All of them made a full recovery, but it seems A-01 has been disbanded after 2003. I have no idea if Yuuko is even still with the UN, since her Alternative IV succeeded but is technically not needed anymore.

>>7355031
Yeah, I also heard things about them joining the Imperial Army for the 2003 operation. Wouldn't be hard considering Munakata's background.

Either way, thanks for clearing that.

>>7354969
So only the memories disappeared?
That doesn't sound too bad.
With the exception of those 2, all the people he interacts with are dead anyway.

I wonder if age is planning to expand upon the Alternative timeline.

>>7355136
>all the people he interacts with are dead anyway.

That's part of what allowed him to leave. Kasumi's feelings weren't enough to keep him around, but everyone else together could have done it.Ironically, I think even The Superior could have kept him around simply because of Sumika's obsessiveness.

And while it's true few are around to remember him anyway (and in the future, history will probably only remember Yuuko) it still feels like a major loss because of his talent and dedication. He was like the Audie Murphy of the BETA war, even the Volks Squadron got remembered.

>>7355136
>I wonder if age is planning to expand upon the Alternative timeline.

I'd cut off my dick if we could have an OFFICIAL sequel/spin-off with an adult Kasumi and a new cast.

>>7355178
Well he's still in the records. It will get declassified sooner or later. Captain Isumi's death got declassified a few weeks after the original hive mission.

He's probably going to get remembered in history as the first person to talk to BETA.

>>7355221

Parallel worlds will never get declassified. Imagine if Alternative V supporters got wind of that. Why risk going into space when you could travel to a perfectly safe parallel world with NO BETA WHATSOEVER?

>>7355191
>adult kasumi

>mfw

>>7355287

Now imagine her with Yuuko's personality.

Fucking Cryska got over her teh Rei phase, I'm eagerly anticipating Kasumi hitting puberty.

Speaking of Kasumi, why is her name in Japanese?
Shouldn't she be Russian?

>>7355408

Her actual name is 06300, 6th Generation #300. I think she became Kasumi when she joined the Alternative project.

Takeru never really commented on her being a foreigner, but he did suspect she didn't know Japanese when he first met her.

>>7355371
Hey you fucker, no lewd thoughts about Kasumi on my watch.

>>7355703
>lewd thoughts
>Kasumi

so final question about kasumi
at the end of Alt. she said thank you to sumika over and over and broke down crying... was that Alt universes Kasumi? Did Sumika somehow send her with Takeru? or did it have some relation to Altered Fables supposed backstory?

>>7356286

Remember Altered Fable =/= Final Extra.

It is a new Kasumi created in Extra. Uncomfirmed if she has Alternative Kasumi's memories or not, but she still feels strongly for Takeru. Alternative Kasumi is confirmed to still be alive and well in Alternative, and she's still observing Takeru.

Sumika's will somehow lead to Kasumi's creation in Final Extra. It's a bit of a sweet touch because Kasumi now has a shot at winning the love of her life, whereas Alterantive Kasumi will forever be alone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXWCN6YcWb8
Kasumi is the one talking at 1:00 right?
Is that also Kasumi in the pic? Who's the other girl?

>>7356313

That is her sister Inia from TE.

>>7356318
So does that mean Kasumi gets reassigned to Alaska after Alternative?

>>7356307
> Altered Fable != Final Extra
To tell the truth have trouble believing this, standard age disclaimer at the beginning notwithstanding. Didn't Takeru's narration at the start (about what had happened so far) include flashbacks to scenes from Final Extra?

>>7356336

Kasumi's pretty short (but so is Inia) - but she doesn't wear a limiter on her head (unless those bunny ears are there for a reason...)

So either Its Inia and Kriska Before or After TE...

Or who knows at this point...

>>7356380
Maybe Inia got reassigned to Yokohama?
One of the girl isn't wearing a limiter and they're wearing UN-style uniforms.

>>7356404
Don't quote me on this, but I think I remember reading that the Total Eclipse crew visits Yokohama in one occasion. I haven't read TE personally so I don't know if it's true or I misremember though.

Slowpoke here, is MLA fully translated yet? If not, should I wait till it is before playing?

>>7356483
http://amaterasu.is.moelicious.be/blog/?p=818
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>>7355045
> joining the Imperial Army
Correct. age's 10th anniversary PV has them wearing the IA's green Armored Suits instead of the UN's blue ones.
>>7355031
> but it seems A-01 has been disbanded
> Was this after the Hive 20 operation? Akane and the two others still wore the Valkyries unit patch (though of course without the UN Alternative IV text) in that, and their mass-production Shiranui Type-2 still had the Valkyrie insignia painted on.

>>7356505
UN is blue? I thought it's black...
By the way are those pilot suits supposed to be semi transparent?
You can see the nipples on TDA pilots.

>>7356529
I think they're just very tight. only the cadet ones are transparent.

>>7356529
classy lady

>>7355257
Don't forget that information "beta attacked earth" gonna travel too. No mater where everyone runs, they're fucked. Didn't you read MLA?

>>7356547
what's the word before fuck?

>>7356701
存分に

TDA Episode 01 looks pretty depressing. 1 year after Operation Babylon and it looks like people are now resorting to cannibalism.

After turning half the world into salt desert and putting mainland asia & europe underwater the BETA still ended up alive and kicking.

I guess this is why Takeru is so resolved to not make Alternative V succeed. The G-Bombs did more damage than good.

>>7355257
Well they don't have to declassify those, just that a person named Shirogane Takeru existed and was crucial in saving the world.

I don't think it's possible to escape to another world anyway. It took an insane amount of will power and tons of G Elements to transport one person. I don't think you can scale that.

>Kasumi's pretty short (but so is Inia) - but she doesn't wear a limiter on her head (unless those bunny ears are there for a reason...)

not all the time.

>>7356807

>>7355191
nadesico much?

OP here - I just finished MLA. Holy shit. That was amazing and totally worth going through MLE.

>>7330045
>>7330056

I dunno, the harem was definitely still there in MLU, and even MLA, but it wasn't as annoying as in MLE. I just liked Takeru's development a lot more in MLU, though I'll admit that MLE and MLU were actually kind of similar, looking back.

Seeing Takeru grow in MLU, and then go into MLA ready to save the world, only to be crushed by the fact that he hadn't matured nearly as much as he had thought, was awesome.

Overall, I'd say MLE and MLU were worth reading for MLA. MLA had a lot of places that made me facepalm/cringe, but I enjoyed it very much.

The only other VN I've read is FS/N, and I'm kind of disappointed that these are considered to be some of the best.

Now I just have to find some way to get rid of that empty feeling that comes from playing MLEUA in four and a half days.

>>7356807
Ah, she has nine toes.

>>7355136
>I wonder if age is planning to expand upon the Alternative timeline.
Total Eclipse and Schwarzes Marchen happen in that timeline.

>>7356906
I just finished it an hour ago as well. I honestly feel depressed that I won't be able to continue reading anymore. I'm too attached to the characters.

>>7356913
i can see ten though.

>>7356906
>>7356934
I had the same feeling when I finished a week or so ago
it takes a while, but you'll feel better eventually
to help I used >>7331501 as a wallpaper (resized though)

>>7356953
Yeah, it'll probably take a week at least. Right now I don't even feel like touching any other VNs or watching anything else. I read every single route and read pretty actively for a month, so having to say goodbye now is kinda depressing.

>>7356906
>The only other VN I've read is FS/N, and I'm kind of disappointed that these are considered to be some of the best.

FSN isn't good, it is TYPE-MOON brand name. FSN has inconsistent imagination and characters, poor pacing, and is convoluted as hell. If you look past the obvious fap fuel and self-insert pandering, Tsukihime is a much more focused work.

Where FSN shines is its premise. The premise alone has tons of potential, but Nasu doesn't meet even his own expectations of the story. The earliest idea for FSN was the Arthur-Gilgamesh rivalry, that shit like Archer and female Saber came late in the planning stages is very telling of Nasu's direction. It is overhyped to hell and back, like G-Senjou and Ever17.

I don't know what you were expecting coming into Muv-Luv Alternative, perhaps a Satoshi Kon acid trip? The damn novel has themes referenced as far back as Extra, it successfully balances characters, plot and themes with an original setting. With unbeliveable detail. /m/ shits its pants over Alternative's universe simply because the details are perfect counters to every stock argument for why mecha is unrealistic.

Perhaps the characters aren't quite as good as Clannad's, or the twists not nearly as surprising as Umineko. MLA presented a solid story with no narrative weaknesses and was backed by incredible production values. It is the Star Wars: A New Hope of visual novels.

>>7357019
Star Wars: A New Hope is kinda bad, if you ask me.

>>7357040

Empire, then. MLA's character dynamics are more akin to Empire, but its status in VN history is analagous to New Hope's in cinema. I doubt we would have gotten Baldr Sky if Alternative hadn't raised the expectations for what VNs were capable of.

>>7357019
>the twists not nearly as surprising as Umineko
to be honest, I personally disagree. Umineko is full of WHAT A TWEEST cheap bullshit (he was dead all along! she was lying all along!), while the whole inter-dimensional influence bit and the purpose behind the BETA really hit me below the belt.
Well, unless you count shallow narrative backpedaling as "surprising", then I guess you're right.

>>7357019
I'd say let the guy explore VNs and decide for himself which he thinks are good or not. Much better than indoctrinating him into conforming to the /jp/ hivemind. We already have more than enough people like that.

>>7357019
I wasn't disappointed that these were considered some of the best because they weren't good enough. I'm disappointed that I'll probably never get to read something as awesome as MLA again. Especially given how much more I enjoyed it than FSN, which which I did enjoy and thought was widely considered one of the best.

I went into MLA expecting something awesome - "the best VN ever". I wasn't at all disappointed with what I found. Rather, I was more and more impressed as the story went on, aside from a few things like the epilogue. Of course, I don't really have much to compare it to as I don't really care about VNs. I just read it because I heard it was incredibly awesome and I like robots and action and character development. >.>

>>7357019
>Tsukihime is a much more focused work.
It's funny that you say this, because I think the exact opposite. Fate is much more structured and polished in comparison to Tsukihime, and develops its overall themes in a very clear manner (whereas Tsukihime is rather convoluted in that regard).

>Where FSN shines is its premise.
In all honesty, I would say that the whole premise of Fate/stay night is one its weakest parts: it builds up a straightforward, simplistic shounen-esque setting. However, Nasu was able to successfully betray the reader's expectations and craft an engaging narrative that subverts many of the tropes of the genre.

>>7357082

Baldr Sky is close to the level of MLA, I like it even better. You just finished a classic that is still fresh even when it's 6 years old, that doesn't mean no good VNs haven't come out since then.

>>7357082
I played a lot of VNs before MLA and it didn't live up to its reputation as best VN ever for me, there are still some that I like more than it. So I wouldn't be so sure that you'll never find anything to top it. And even if you don't there are still lots of great VNs out there.

>>7357100
How does Baldr Sky compare to MLA in terms of character development and seriousness and all that? I'm not really sure what it's supposed to be like.

>>7357097
>engaging narrative that subverts many of the tropes of the genre.
It doesn't subvert any tropes, in the end it plays all the usual ones straight.

>>7357097

FSN only seems structured because the plot is focused around a "game" with clear "rules". But Nasu went to great pains to break every damn rule whenever he could, which is why I called it inconsistent. If every fight was on the level of the bridge battle in FHA, FSN would have been a much better read.

The best arc in FSN was HF, the arc that basically abandons the original premise and the game rules altogether. The characters were mostly unlikeable and repulsive, but their development far stronger.

For Tsukihime, Nasu wrote the character backgrounds and conformed the route plots to them. The focus was the heroine. He did the opposite for FSN, conforming the backgrounds to the plot. Attention was thus divided between the ongoing fights and the characters. There was no central antagonist in Fate, no clear heroine in UBW. Nasu tried to balance both and failed.

>>7357148
different anon but, comparing BS and MLA, I would say that they are kinda similar in feel and have some surface similarities, but overally very different kind of stories.
character development wise, BS is more balanced between the cast, Kou is more balanced protagonist and isnt as useless as Takeru most of time so Kou doesn't develope as much as Takeru becaause of that (personaly I prefered Kou over Takeru as a character tough), but rest of the BS cast has bit more development than MLAs other cast. and comparing the cast, BS main cast is better than MLs main cast, altough side/sub-cast are pretty much equal in both.
Story wise they are kinda similar in that they both have protagonist who goes from student to professional soldier and the contrasting lives of both of those times. while MLA is more like finding place in changed world and fighting for the sake of someone, BS is more like learning the truth of past so one can move on and fight for someones sake. also BS is one of the few stories that I can say that memory loss is done in interesting way and presented in nicely as story telling method. also BS has pretty great pacing compared to horrenderous pacing that is in ML. BS also has great setting comparable to ML, it just hasn't been expanded by side-materials like ML has.
overally BS is more balanced package while ML is heavily relying its "end"-portion.

hopefully this helped some, if you have something more you'd like clarification I can try to tell everything I can, as I'm bit bad putting my toughs to words.

oh yeah and needless to say that I prefer BS over ML-trilogy.

BS has gameplay so I won't like it. I don't like being interrupted for half an hour / hour from reading stuff.

>>7357158
>The characters were mostly unlikeable and repulsive

Why, because Sakura wasn't a virgin? Die in a fire.

>>7357328
most battles take 1-2 minutes at most, and on average there's maybe three of them in a cluster between sizable plot parts.
Baldr Sky has its faults, but for a 120+ hours game its pacing is surprisingly great. Well, except for Aki route where there's a lot more fights, during the third run for the good ending I was a bit annoyed.

>>7357695
Maybe because most of them felt really selfish.
Sakura, Rin even Shirou

Baldr Sky has a really good plot but the characters aren't that memorable, well the same could be said of Muv-Luv

Comparing Baldr Sky to Muv-Luv, BS has the stronger scenario but ML is stronger thematically.

>>7357743
Did you salute at BS?

I didn't at ML.

>>7357019
nigga please
G-senjou is shit compared to Ever 17, but i agree, MLA is much better than F/SN

>>7357743
>well the same could be said of Muv-Luv
Really? Takeru's harem is possibly the best I've seen in an eroge.

>>7357769
You obviously didn't play many eroge then

Takerus harem is one of the worst ones that I have seen imo, I didn't really like anyone of them and they managed to annoy the hell out of me, design and personalitywise. good thing the side-cast was so good that I managed to finish it

>>7357773
Except I have, and if you actually had a point you would make it instead of resorting to the shitty "if someone disagrees with me it's because they haven't played very many eroge" argument.

Sumika: My favorite but she isn't anything great, at least she is consistent and not too annoying

Meiya: She really sucks in Extra but she is pretty cool in UL and Alt

Tama: Cute I guess, not really memorable

Ayamine: Can be funny at time but mostly annoying

Chizuru: DIE IN A FIRE

Mikoto: Very forgettable

So yeah, pretty mediocre harem

>>7356906

>only to be crushed by the fact that he hadn't matured nearly as much as he had thought
more like sumika made him forget important stuff

>>7358076
So Sumika made him forget losing his shit at first sight of BETA, getting Marimo killed, and trying to run back to branch of his original world?

>>7357760

The fault with Ever17 is if you go into it expecting something, that auto ruins much of the surprise. You have to go in completely spoiler free and not knowing anything about Infinity for it to have maximum effect. Ever17 is great for babies who have never played renai or VN before, but not as a fourth or fifth title.

>>7357790

Muv-Luv's cast is overall weak. The best characters were Yuuko, Takeru, Sumika, Meiya and Kasumi. You cannot say the other characters had the level of depth and quality those five had. That is why they faded into the background after coup d'etat, and why if you didn't play Muv-Luv before MLA you wouldn't have given a shit. The supporting cast was good because they were originally LEADS in their original games, Kimiita and Kiminozo. So they have complex personality that are likeable and easy to get accustom to.

I do like the Baldr Sky cast more than Muv-Luv's, but only because they were all consistent. But I will admit those five characters are better than BS's, and the development was much stronger as said. But BS should be better than muv-luv, because it is newer and was heavily influenced by it.

>>7358695
I disagree.
Kou is a way better protagonist than Takeru.
Takeru keeps losing his resolve when he needed it the most, up until the final part of the game. His shiftiness kinda gets on my nerve.

>>7359672
To be fair, that shiftiness wasn't his fault as much as it was Sumika's unconscious save-scumming and suppressing memories of the events in unlimited that gave him his initial resolve to defend Earth, coupled with original Alt. Takeru's last memories of being ripped to pieces by BETA giving him PTSD.
And even then it took a combination of drugs, hypnosis, the aforementioned PTSD and chomp.gif for him to truly break down.