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You have to understand that Japanese fandom is different from western fandom. They have people with actual talent, we do not.

>>7332694
Incoming shit storm. I agree BTW.

Well, it's not about talent but legal issues.
Like, whom you should ask if you want use one of Miku's song?
She has a CD and concerts, who benifits from it?
I think they have some composer and musicians to write songs for here and producers as well.
tl;dr is Miku's songs are done by fans or by hired pro?

>>7332694
it's true. all the talented people over here are furries

there is a vid on youtube i saw about the production of miku.
so basically the popular songs are done by a single composer hired by yamaha company. maybe there are some fan made songs too,

>>7332715
Yes, there are legal issues with using a program made to create music to create music.

Are you that ignorant?

Vocaloid is a voice synthesizer software. It is used by any and everyone who writes songs, but is too poor to afford to hire an actual singer to sing their songs. Songwriters have gotten hired on their skill thanks to Vocaloids giving a voice to their songs that would have gone unheard of otherwise.7

That's why it's popular, that's why it's so widely used, with its multiple voice banks. The cute girls do their part too.

>>7332715
Anything made with vocaloid belongs to the person that made it (you don't pay Gibson if you write a guitar song).
However, Crypton has bought the rights to the most popular songs and uses them for commercials and games and so forth.

>>7332694
Well, the difference is that anyone remotely talented in the West tends to prefer to do their own thing rather than produce fanworks of pre-existing properties.

Half the people in the thread don't understand OP is asking about who does the songs that are in concerts, not in general.

>>7332686
>>7332726

>mfw I read these

>>7332726

A single composer? Dear lord, you must be new. Vocaloid music is made by MANY producers, many of whom are poor twenty-somethings like us. There is no just one composer. Jeez, do you even know that there are more Vocaloids than just Miku? Ones that aren't owned by Crypton at all? Please for the sake of everything good, research before you post.

>>7332686
vocaloid songs are 100% fan made stuff. even the promo songs for new vocaloids are my made by fans. the creators of Miku have a record company and a site for publishing Vocaloid related stuff (not only music, but fanart as well), so not all of the stuff is doujin. the more famous producers release their stuff on itunes and shit through that record company. still almost all vocaloid songs get published on nicovideo by their creators.also, pretty much all producers started as dojin artists even if some of them (like Ryo) started doing professional work for anime and shit. so it's still all 'doujin-like' even some of the vocaloid stuff isn't technically doujin anymore. the only really official thing apart from the program itself are sega's concerts and games. so yeah, i hope i explained i well.

and this guy.
>>7332726
i have no clue what yousaw but you obviously don't know shit about Miku and vocaloid.

>>7332757
it's always sad to me when a person lacks the ability to recognize that the level of dumb required to make a post is too high to be legitimate.

>>7332757
Actually I saw this vid too
It seems like they have special guys for CD, maybe they also bought good songs from fans

>>7332766
i've seen so much stupidity in my life i wouldn't underestmate it. i wish i could say something is too dumb to be real anymore. world seems much less depressing when you think it's filled with trolls instead of idiots, but i can't believe it anymore.

>>7332766

Yeah, this guy could be a troll....but what is sad that I see comments like this all the time. In other words, yes, there are people that stupid to make comments like this.

>>7332772
this vid must be shit then. there are some famous producers that moved to professional work but they started as doujin producers as well. almost all of these guys seem to be /jp/ like neets to be honest.

>>7332772

Producers often make their own albums, so there are no "special CD guys" when it comes to that. I cannot comment on collab albums however.

Yeah anyone can make one okay but what about the main ones like pipipivegetables

>>7332808

There aren't any "main albums". Albums are just albums. You might say that the KarenT label has a lot of high selling albums, but really there isn't one main central center for Vocaloid music. Its a doujin-turned-professional community. Also, if you are going to listen to noob songs like Po Pi Po at least spell it right.

>>7332808
they were made by dojin producers, like everything in the community, than gained fame and became "main". it's basically like saying internet memes were all developed by a bunch of 'special 4chan guys"..

>>7332742
I think you nailed it.
I think it is also why anonymous boards do so well over there.
People in the west have a hard time understanding why they should try to make good posts when their work and their posts might never be directly attributed to them, regardless of the effort they put in them.

>>7332841
like hell.

if you've ever been in the vocaloid community, or any japanese modding community, you would know they are extremely uptight about crediting people, recognition of rights, and everything else that you'd expect from a deviantartist, regardless of the pettiness of the item in question.

in many cases, if you want to do something even with a file someone distributed for free, if the person requests it you are expected to personally contact them before using it according to the regulations the distributor set down. if you don't and the community finds out you will be chastised. yes, personally contact. if that's not people looking for social networking, recognition, and power trips, i don't know what is.

>>7332742
like what?

i think the issue is more that people in the west tend to be actually recruited into something if they are talented. unlike in japan, where the japanese job market is pretty much your scope of available jobs since you only speak japanese.

>>7332726
You probably saw that vid about making of Nebula PV that was "featured video" for months.
Yes, the guy who made it was a professional, but he did in his free time.

Also, I believe Yamaha hires professionals to "enhance" some songs for live performances or commercials. You can't play nico video to concert hall.

Does Yamaha even do anything for Miku besides the base Vocaloid program? I thought 5pb. handled the concerts.

>>7332876
>i think the issue is more that people in the west tend to be actually recruited into something if they are talented

Does that mean KS devs are talented?

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>>7332899
no, Yamaha has nothing to do with Miku. they developed the vocaloid engine but that's all. Crypton has developed Miku and has the rights to her image, they also manage piapro and KarenT. Sega handles the concerts and the games, in colaboration with Crypton of course. 5pb only hosted one concert, they don't have anything else to do with her.

>>7332726
>>7332686
This will happen all the time when Miku becomes mainstream, but /jp/ won't be numerous enough to correct everyone when they're wrong.

>>7332907
well they are doing doujin game, right? so it's like they're less talented actually. what he meant is that talented people in the west get recruited into actual jobs instead of doing fan stuff for free.

I wish that the western Vocaloid scene consisted of more than just Livejournal-using fangirls who do stupid shit like making Len sing Magnet to himself.

>>7332924
Remember the fuss about that "McRoll" video? It'll go away eventually, too. Maybe.

>>7332876
>where the japanese job market is pretty much your scope of available jobs since you only speak japanese.
Case in point of the importance of this: Miku art outsourced to Alvin Lee.

Talented Japanese people have the disadvantage of having to compete with the rest of the world in Japan, but not really being able to compete with them on their end due to the language barrier. So naturally, there are a lot of them floating around with little to do.

>>7332937
yeah, i wish so too, so much. i hope it might change when english Miku gets released. i mean, maybe there are some producers who are discouraged by the lack of cute engloids...
i actually tried to get some of my music making friends into vocaloid, but i'm a goth so everyone i know makes some dark alternative kinda shit or classical music, none of them likes cute artificial-sounding vocies like Miku's. i personally think Miku's voice would go great with EBM or something like that, but it's nobody else seems to think so. ._.
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>>7332961
Sorry, I should have been more specific:
>due to the language barrier existing on personal level but not an industrial level.
A Japanese workplace typically has the means to both reach out to and be easily contacted by English-speaking people, but a Japanese individual does not.

Seems like a shitty position to be in unless you're cream of the crop.