/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Make me feel like deja vu. It's almost as if I've seen this before.

>>7313571
You know, good anon, that implies you stay here all day and do nothing else besides browse 4chan. How does THAT make you feel?

as long as she's not the same Miku i'm lusting after, that's fine. my miku will not try to burst my eardrums.

Maybe she'll become a bit more popular and I'll get out of the Mikufag closet.

But she isn't old enough to drive.

>>7313578
Makes me feel like your mom is a two-cent whore who sucks cock all day.

>>7313579
by lords, you're right, she's 16! toyota should just make their own line of bikes and be done with it.

>>7313570
Bad.
They should have used Melt instead, I don't like World is Mine.

>>7313570
Bring that disgusting man miku back to >>>/co/ or >>>/a/
Fucking disgusting. Make me want to vomit.

I don't know, why don't you check one of the other 100+ post threads about it that are currently alive on /jp/?

>>7313586
no, they fucking shouldn't have.

you can take your clown music somewhere else(i actually don't mind the song except for that part... and yes i have said this before on /jp/). although you can take that scream in World is Mine somewhere else while you're at it.

okay, maybe if they didn't include the intro melt would have been okay... but even then it wouldn't match the pop-star theme of the commercial.

my choice would probably be packaged, just because i can't think of anything else more diva-like that was good. world is mine would have been fine if they didn't use the scream.

>>7313579

You're trolling right?

You can get your driver's license at 16 in America. Miku's old enough to drive where the ad is playing.

>>7313586
>>7313597
Oh yeah? Well, I don't like any of those.

I, for one, think they should have used Merry Merry Sexmas.

It's dumb. It makes me feel shame of my hobbies.

I don't really like Miku though, the music sounds like shit (still an improvement on most Japanese music) and the fanbase is one of the worst around. I don't know what Toyata was thinking, this isn't going to sell cars. It's not like anyone watches commercials anymore anyways.

feels like i need to cleanse my ears with some kanye west

>>7313883
I wouldn't put it past Kanye to do a collaboration with Miku.

>>7313888
fund it

I don't mind her being introduced to the US to be honest I would actually be glad, ju..just not like this..

they chose to most screeching bit from her whole discography probably, talk about bad choice
also, lol at CAR SELLERS trying to appeal to otaku shut-in who probably don't even have a license

>>7313902
Despite what /jp/ may tell you, not everybody who likes Vocaloids is a shut-in.

>>7313898
don't worry, nobody who doesn't already know what it is is going to pay any attention to it

>>7313888
Well they both have the same natural talent...

>>7313904
If you go to /jp/ you probably are though. And if you aren't, you would probably hide it from people you know anyway, so it doesn't make much of a difference.

Makes me feel like sending an angry letter.

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Dear Toyota, your "Americanization" redesign of Miku was a poor idea. You undoubtedly chose her as a mascot for your car because of her popularity with our younger generation. By changing her design all you've done is upset us (by telling us what they liked is no good), and I doubt people outside of our demographic will care either way. If you really want to capture our market share changing her back would be prudent.

Webpage in question: http://www.toyota.com/corollamiku/

>>7314014

http://toyota.custhelp.com/

>>7314018
>>7314014
toyota's not in charge of how miku is advertised in america... the image was almost undoubtedly approved by whoever has the rights to miku.

and isn't the point of advertising to reach out to people who -don't- like the product yet? it seems kind of pointless to complain about the advertising as a fan unless you could establish a real risk for a boycott or something(good luck with that).

>>7314035
uh, sorry. i didn't mention that i was responding to the idea of changing the approach to an americanization of miku to advertise miku to america.

obviously toyota would care about appealing to miku's fans(unless they are banking on miku making it mainstream in america and thus continuing with the association), so carry on i suppose, but i imagine this is just one of many images to come. the real "problem" is probably crypton(or whoever is in charge of bringing miku to america)'s marketing strategy.

>>7314035
That's a good point, Crypton would have to have signed off on it. I'm sure they don't care what the American Miku looks like as long as it opens up the US market to Vocaloid and paves the way for a successful English-language version of Miku.

You know, for western art, I don't think it's that bad. The face takes a little time to get used to, but it could have been a lot worse.

It's worth a shot. Otherwise, enjoy your weird Miku.

This made me wanna get my license and buy a corolla....then I saw the man face.

I'm sure Miku doesn't like it either. Emailing them this very second.

>>7314054
i find your positivism appreciable, but i have to vehemently disagree with you.

from a standpoint of artistic quality relative to what they were trying to express, sure, it's fine.

relative to miku the character? sorry, i can't take a miku with a gigantic nose and emphasized lips, and moreover, i can't take gigantic green twintails in art actually attempting to imitate reality(especially with her slightly tanned(? i actually don't know what the fuck to call that tone) skin). the only word i have for it is "abomination."

at the very, utmost least, they should have changed her hairstyle. however, if they were to give her short hair i would personally be murdering a CEO.

I think the best part is that the image cuts off before you can really tell she's wearing a skirt. Three cheers for feminism and the masculinization of the American female.

Seriously, send Toyota an email. They spend so much money TRYING to get people to show interest at all. If it looks like people are giving feed back of their own accord they'll notice.

Even 100 unique emails would be a BIG deal.

>Dear Mr. ____,

>Thank you for your feedback regarding Toyota's use of Crypton Future Media's Hatsune Miku as a mascot for the 2011 Corolla.

>We appreciate your input with regard to the "western" style illustration of Miku's trademark pose as seen at http://www.toyota.com/corollamiku.. Communications such as yours help us to become aware of our customers' responses to our advertising campaigns and helps us in planning future advertising strategies.

>On a personal note, as a fan of Vocaloid, Megpoid, and UTAU myself, I completely understand your reaction to the Miku redesign. That said, it was certainly not intended as an affront to fans of the character and we thank you again for sharing your thoughts with us regarding this campaign. We hope our future advertisements will better suit the sensibility of the audience we are trying to reach.

>>7314187
Seriously?

The only thing they'd have to do with this car in order for it to be sold like mad would be throw in a limited numbered edition 1/5 scale figurine.
I guarantee people would line up far and wide for a preorder.

This advertising campaign is bullshit.

>>7314187
Now ask this weeaboo what the fuck is the holdup with the Scion iQ.

YOU PROMISED, TOYOTA. IT WAS AT THE AUTO SHOW AND EVERYTHING.

FEED BACK WORKS.

Be polite and send a message telling them you're unhappy with the redesign! They pay millions in market research and you're giving it to them for free. They really really really care what you say.

As a non-Vocaloid fan, I agree that screech was a terrible part of the commercial. The rest was just meh, the 3D quality didn't make any impression upon me.

>>7314054
I agree the design isn't bad at all. It's basically the Miku character drawn in Marvel/DC style. Most of the Americans feel more comfortable with that style than something that makes them feel like pedos for looking at it (i.e. anime).

>>7314084
I also agree with this though. Fucking feminism.

>>7314196
>throw in a limited numbered edition 1/5 scale figurine.

I'd play pretend with anyone on /jp/ just so I could afford a corolla and get that figurine.

>>7314216
Just think about it.
Toyota would sell cars.
Weeaboos would get figurines and cars.
Those who just really really wants the figurines would get the car with the fig, and sell off the car.

An expensive figurine, sure.
But Toyota would sell cars.

>>7314187
>Pig disgusting miku on the page
>Use a 3D model on the commercial

Stay derp Toyota.

Miku Hatsune is now officially a whore.

...well, she's always been one. KILL IT WITH FIRE.

>>7314014
>>7314018

Dude, what? It's a stupid mascot for a music program, not a religion. It's not like it matters worth one shit what she looks like in an advert for a car that, let's face it, none of us would have bought anyway.

>>7314196
>The only thing they'd have to do with this car in order for it to be sold like mad would be throw in a limited numbered edition 1/5 scale figurine.
I guarantee people would line up far and wide for a preorder.
That would be a nice TOYota.
instantrimshot.com

Well, it's not THAT bad. I love Miku but I'm rather indiffrent, I don"t even live the US....

So is this actually airing on TV? I don't want TV, so somebody tell me.

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I just hope I don't see it on TV one day.

This whole thing seems so damn weird. Do they really expect there to be a significant overlap between Miku fans and people looking to buy a new sedan? It's like trying to sell a swimming pool with a Pokemon tie-in. It's just weird.

I predict this is not going to go well for Toyota. They'll just end up looking a bit weird in the mainstream and that's it.

>>7314047
> paves the way for a successful English-language version of Miku.
Still waiting for the moment were all those idiots on facebook realize all they get is a voicebank software they'd have to actually put effort into using. Then everyone realizes they like Miku for the japanese songs anyways and no one gives a fuck

>>7314264
I'm a Eurofag and I like Miku as well, but it's not like I'm totally hyped about everything that get associated with Miku.

I've got a figurine (well, a couple of you count BRS as being related), some artwork, and a Livetune CD, but I don't think I'd get a car because of this no matter where I lived.
I'm sad that they chose that tune for the commercial because I don't like it.

The commercial is likely to make people go all "oh look at them crazy japs and their shit" once more.
Why must 'murrka pollute everything like this?

>Not using Eurobeat to sell Toyota Corollas.
LETS GO
COME ON
GET ON
YOU KNOW
CAN YOU FEEL THE RHYTHM?

>Mr _______________________________

>Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.

>We are sorry to hear of your dissatisfaction with our current Corolla commercial. Keeping in line with Toyota quality built vehicles and state of the art manufacturing, we try to present our vehicles in a tasteful, informative and sometimes humorous manner to our customers.

>It is through communications such as yours that we become aware of the reactions and expectations of our customers and consumers.

>Thank you for sharing your opinion with us.

>Your email has been documented at our National Headquarters. If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us via email or by calling 800-331-4331. We are available from 5 AM to 6 PM, Pacific Time, Monday through Friday and from 7 AM to 4 PM, Pacific Time, on Saturdays.

>Mick Cotterell
>Toyota Customer Experience

I'll get hanged for saying this, but I really don't have a problem with the westernized Miku model they're using. It's modified for an American audience, it makes sense from a marketing perspective and honestly, she doesn't look bad in that style. She certainly doesn't look as shit as say, Horo on her "new and improved" Spice and Wolf covers for the US translation.

No, the problem I have is with the ad campaign in general. Who's this run of commercials and ads aimed at? Hardcore fans won't go for the new look, and the uninitiated won't have any idea who Hatsune Miku is even after watching the commercial, or what she has to do with cars, or anything at all. Plus that 3D model they used in the commercial was really terrible. I might just go and send an email to Toyota for being such dumbasses (or their ad agency or whoever.)

>>7314272
i haven't seen it yet
i doubt they're going to waste money on airtime for this
i will be honestly amazed if it is put on tv

>>7314287

I almost feel bad for the ad agency. It's transparent that they had no idea how to make this weird connection work. "Oh jesus it's four in the morning, just slap together something vague about dreams and hope nobody cares about it too much, we're done."

>>7314294
I think it'd be better if they got a real 3DPD model to gear up in some cosplay.
Pic sorta related.

And then maybe play some of the music in the background.

No need to make it too weird.

If they aired it on TV my only wonder is how people who have no idea who the fuck Miku is would react.

>>7314312
See: >>7314283
>"oh look at them crazy japs and their shit"

>>7314294
>and honestly, she doesn't look bad in that style
i respect your opinion otherwise and agree that their approach is likely a smart one in terms of business sense, but if you're referring to the art on the main page...

how can you possibly think that? i'll refer you back to my older post >>7314073. it would be possible to draw her in an americanized style without the witch nose, and in a way that her green twintails didn't so totally clash with the artstyle and everything else about the picture. it just looks ugly, and i'm not even against american art on principle.

i just don't see how huge, green, girly twintails works with a "cool marvel/DC" image. i suppose if you're someone who's into things like hot-topic, it's understandable as that's exactly the style that subculture likes(high-contrast, special-colored hair and a sexy/cool look, although i maintain you can't be sexy with a nose like that). but unlike miku's original art, which most people will recognize is at least cute(if nerdy), hot-topic style is generally regarded as nothing but an eyesore by everyone outside of the subculture. it doesn't look "good" by general standards.

and note that i'm not writing this with the intent of using hot-topic as a bashing term, it's simply the only type of fashion/art i can identify with in terms of what they've done with miku here.

>>7314322
>not even against american art on principle.
Oh you are sooo open minded.

She needs much much larger breasts to cater to the American audience.

>>7314370
Dead wrong.

>>7314358
i'm saying that my reasoning for disliking it is not centered on a bias on the art style. is there some kind of problem with that?

many people here would trash on it simply because it's american art, if you didn't know.

i hope you enjoy your visit to /jp/.

The fact that we are here on the internet talking about it means that the commercial was a success.

When was the last time you talked about a car commercial, or even a TV commercial on the web? It's interesting because the Miku fanbase probably wouldn't even be seeing the ad on television because we don't watch TV but here we are, talking about it.

>>7314379
Isn't it Taiwanese?

The limited emails are already having an effect on Toyota. Every piece of feedback counts. Trust me, I used to work in a customer service place that took these kinds of things, if we got even 10 or 20 emails about ONE THING the higher ups started to take a good look at it.

>>7314379
>many people here would trash on it simply because it's american art, if you didn't know.
Only newfags do that.

>>7314371
>I want lolis

Nope

>>7314385
a success in us not liking it?
i really can't see how this campaign is going to succeed. it only worked in japan because of the music and otaku zeal. unless you pay some well known remixers and popular music producers to use it in american pop you're not going to get the first, and the second is much less zealous and lacks the financial output
of japan's

That picture would be fine if the face didn't suck so much. She doesn't look like Miku with that face.

>>7314401
>a success in us not liking it?

Yup, why else would you be on /jp/ if you didn't have something to complain about?

Bad publicity is still publicity.

>>7314410
shit, should just send toyota screencaps of the threads

>>7314400
I don't want lolis at all. But you are mistaken if you think American audiences are receptive to big-titted bimbos. Do you even know why there are so many complaints from women about American comics?

>>7314406
this is pretty much what i have been trying to say in my wall-of-text posts.

the art's fine on artistic technique. but the face is reminiscent of the wicked witch of the west, and i find her hair clashes with her appearance in general.

a smaller nose and a more fitting haircut(or darker hair color; miku's hair color tends to vary anyways) would have gone a long way.

>>7314406

>>7314436
Wasn't there a Japanese game that came out recently in America and some of the girls had their boobs edited out? Clearly lolis are approved and marketable in the US as long as they're decent.

>>7314401
check the japanese toyota site
theres no miku anywhere

While i don't think americanizing Miku isn't such a bad idea, the outcome is less than expected.

I'm slightly enraged at this general state of affairs wherein people are so brainwashed that they feel the need to like anything associated with subculture and that they need or are perceived to need these things in their ads (or they just take the idea of her being an actual person to such an extreme that they put her in ads now. I don't keep track of this), but really, overall I don't give a shit because to be honest, I kinda hate Vocaloid and how it perpetuates this kind of hivemind mentality with moe characters that's so prevalent now, and has so destroyed the industry and the consumers, that I doubt I can say this sentence on /jp/, be understood and not enrage the effective conformists that frequent this board without realizing the difference between porn and fun hobbies. Granted, I wouldn't be surprised , and would amused to learn, if Japan actually does have at least some legitimate form of a gaming/anime subculture with VNs and idols and all that other bullshit being acknowledged as either (what effectively amounts to) porn or in-jokes... just because they're closer to the source. But then again, I really shouldn't expect so much from them. It is, after all, the source of it all.

get out toyota devs

Oh hey, they actually responded to me.

>Dear **********

>Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.

>Toyota is sensitive to the opinions of our customers, and we respect your position on this matter. We have documented your comments accordingly.

>Your email has been documented at our National Headquarters and is available for management review. If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us, www.toyota.com/help.

>Thank you for allowing us the opportunity to receive your feedback such that we may improve our advertising and marketing efforts.

>Sincerely,
>Thomas Morita
>Toyota Customer Experience

You hope that if you buy premium here with paypal it'll carry over to the japanese site.

Faggotblog devs get out.

>>7315331
They responded to me too, after I told them that the commercial made my ears hurt and sounded terrible.

>Dear Mr. Cromwell:

Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.

We sincerely apologize if our Corolla commercial caused you concern. It was certainly not our intention to do so.

We are sensitive to the opinions of our customers and apologize if our commercial has offended you in any way.

We appreciate the time and trouble you have taken to contact us, and we thank you for your feedback.

Sincerely,
Anita Mouton
Toyota Customer Experience

I've sent over a dozen emails and I haven't received any responses beyond the automated "Thank you for contacting Toyota" message.

Impartial. If I buy it, do I get a free Miku fig?

>>7315331
>Thomas Morita
>complaining to Japanese person about Americanization

のヮの

>>7315365
> implying that putting Miku in an American commercial wasn't the idea of the Japanese

>>7315356
Mine was somewhat personalized.

They apologized for offending me.

You are slightly enraged at this general state of affairs wherein people are so brainwashed that they feel the need to like anything associated with subculture and that they need or are perceived to need these things in their ads or they just take the idea of her being an actual person to such an extreme that they put her in ads now. It has less to do with pride and more to do with not understanding that kirei is an absolutely broken person.

>>7315394
Is this a bot?

You can't speak for 6988952 but yours was spoilered.

No, it is just the bot inserting random text into the thread.

I feel bad for Toyota's customer service for having to deal with the legions of frustrated weeaboos sending them angry emails, especially since most of those weeaboos live in their parents' basements and would never buy a Toyota vehicle no matter much their advertising pleased them.

Why are they using the name Hatsune Miku and not Miku Hatsune?

I swear, this Toyota US/Miku deal makes no sense whatsoever.

Shit makes no sense to you.

>>7315407
>I feel bad for Toyota's customer service for having to deal with the legions of frustrated weeaboos sending them angry emails, especially since most of those weeaboos live in their parents' basements and would never buy a Toyota vehicle no matter much their advertising pleased them.

I don't think you understand otaku, They'll buy fucking anything as long as something like this isn't done.

>>7315409
This just made me realize there's a possibility of there being a ton of idiots thinking 'Hatsune' is her first name...

>>7315407
Do you really think anyone cares about the screaming girl with big eyes except angry weeaboos?

Do you think you parents, or your neighbors would buy a Corolla based off the commercial?

It's really pathetic how a lot of people are over reacting over this.

Bawww they're using my miku bawwwwwww. I really dont think Toyota cares what any of these anon have to say. They chose Miku for a reason and they're going to push it.

It just seems that everybody is afraid that useless weeaboo life is in danger by normal fags. It's just a car commercial you dumb fucks. Most people will not think twice about it or even care what a vocaloid is.

This is mostly because there is no bright flashing banner at the top of know my meme saying, 99 of these are old as shit and no one actually cares about them anymore except for fucking newfags such as myself, fuck off.

The reason why azns are less ashamed of their waifu collections than in the west is because parents like it when their son shows an interest in girls-having a son with 200 pictures of hatsune miku his bedroom, to the parents, just means he's got women on his mind and will likely end up producing grandchildren once his life reaches that point lol where he starts socializing with women openly and dating.

>>7315461
Cool copypasta, if I had a dollar for each time I saw that one, I'd be rich enough to buy a Corolla.

>>7315461
what!? how the fuck did you end up with that conclusion. Most parents will fucking hate those chinese cartoons and then proceed tell him to find a real girl if they ever found out the real story behind it.

Trust me, any parent is worried when their son is a 20 year old shut in who obsesses with cartoons. No dad will ever boast that his son has a 2d waifu.

It's the same, if not worse in Japan.

Believe it or not, artwork doesn't magically become better or worse if the artist lives in Japan.

See this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj67SIQclfQ&feature=related

That Miku right there? You can say goodbye to that in a few years. Shit produced by America and the rest of the world will flood the internet, the Japanese will copy like they always do(partially out of necessity because they can no longer win their rankings with old-style songs), and then this Miku is going to get pushed into obscurity and become a thing of the past.

You can't save it. And I will be laughing at all of you fucking Vocaloid retards and Miku faggot ephebo/pedophiles the entire way as I watch you squirm trying to. Enjoy.

>>7315484
No one has even posited that.

The only thing people care about is an existing character being changed arbitrarily.

Wow, so many fucking stupid newfags itt trying way to hard to fit in.

>>7315494
Your veneer is so thing I can see you crying anonymous-san.

>>7315494
Vocaloid wont change at all. Stop being so paranoid. You faggots sound like its the end of the world.

Why did nobody complain this bad when that one swedish magazine did an article about miku?

And nothing of value was lost, it only remind all these video about the sdm cast crying over a tomb, ';baaaw sakuya is human so she died faster'; with an instrumental music to fit to the scene.

>>7315477
>anime
>Chinese
Summerfag troll detected.

>>7315502
When you have a family member that's a rabid Vocaloid fan, you learn what they like.

>>7315507
I'll laugh when you see what happens when it becomes more profitable to cater to the West than Japan simply due to the population count of the West, even if it doesn't get a huge popularity boom. You think Vocaloid is mainstream in Japan? You're not so delusional as to think Miku is actually good, are you?

We have more people. We're going to win in time and that's that.

As much as I hate Vocaloid's sycophantic fandom, I must admit that Ameri-Miku is showing some rockin'-ass armpit.

>>7315568
you'd probably do the same shit if something you enjoyed was fated to be bastardized

although i guess the most intelligent decision is just to give up and wait for the end of it enjoying the japanese stuff. no real point in mourning it before it's gone.

if i could produce music i'd try to do something about it but i can't.

literally nuke japan and /jp/ too

>>7315516
You're an idiot if you didn't get what he was implying there. The normal world doesn't care if it's japanese, chinese, korean, it's all ching chong nip nong to them. That's what he was implying.

>>7315568
>sycophantic

I don't think you know what that means.

>>7315524
>we win because we have more people

That's not how it works, Anon. Sorry. It's about the segment of the population willing to buy into the whole deal. There's no indication yet that the American pop-listening audience is willing to be pulled away from their Britney and Justin Biebers and such. The new, westernized Miku might very well fall flat because people don't like her, or Vocaloid just might not sell in the US (people are going to be surprised, possibly frustrated, when they find out it's actually music creation software that you have to actually know something about to use.)

>>7314018

that miku pic...

>>7316052
You seem to be under the impression that Vocaloid is mainstream in Japan. You're not under that impression, are you?

Wikipedia may spam the word "popular" and "lots," but it uses no numbers and provides no demographics. Vocaloid has attained popularity for an otaku product--as in, popularity across different otaku circles, not normal ones.

So, do we have a population of potentially interested otaku-types in the West that's bigger than Japan? Yes, and I think that population alone is bigger than all of the potentially interested groups in Japan combined when we're talking about the United States and Europe. That's not even going into other potentially interested groups. I don't think I need to remind you that Japan is not a big country, by any means, and aged at that. If Vocaloid was a Chinese product I wouldn't be saying this.

And we're not just talking about the Miku Vocaloid 2 product itself here, so the point about needing knowledge to use is moot. Stuff like concerts and secondary merchandise matters too. The image of Miku as you saw her yesterday will become more popular, and thus profitable, than the old one.