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A couple of pages from the Alt manga, for the person who was interested (and implying Takeru died in a Gekishin)

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>>7219934
Interesting. The manga isn't canon, of course, but still.

>>7219939
I think the background material expounded in the manga can be considered canon, as the manga is credited as Azusa Makishima x age, and Makishima is one of the scriptwriters of Chronicles and most probably worked on Alternative itself.

can anyone explain the significance of the HSST incident? I get that it was planned by alternative v supporters, but how did it failing affect the status of alternative iv? I didn't really understand any of the politics shit, aside from the coup being planned by the cia.

>>7219945
Ah, I didn't know that. Still, the pages only imply that he died that way, and weakly at that, so it can't really be used to show that he didn't pilot the Takemikazuchi.
>>7219949
I don't think it really affected them much, other than giving Tama's father a very good impression of the base, and giving Yuuko an opportunity to tell all the Alt V supporters to go fuck themselves.

>>7219949
It didn't, because it was shot out of the sky anyway. Yuuko originally considered just leaving it alone for that same reason.

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>>7219966
I thought it being prevented was supposed to have been one of the reasons the coup happened. maybe I misread since the scenes with mikoto's dad were all hard to understand.

Since I don't speak moon, is it ever explained why the Alternative Only characters are in Final Extra? Takeru should be sent back to his original world, right? And for that matter why can Kasumi remember Alternative, yet Takeru can't other than his impulse to cry when he sees everyone?

Regarding the manga: I wanted to get on it once we were done with the game but then Tonigobe picked it up so I decided to move onto the Total Eclipse manga instead. It'll take a while because a) There aren't tankoubon scans so I'd have to buy them myself b) My translator is busy being a NEET, but it'll eventually happen.

>>7220119
Did you even play the games?

Muvluv OP animated.
2011 now and still no anime after 6years.

Also what was Gohda fate in Alternative? Kind of surprising he didnt appear at all considering he is the prototypical hot blooded robot pilot

>>7220218
Wasn't the true ending for Akane Maniax the one were he becomes Tekkuman or something? I think something like that doesn't really fit the serious war drama atmosphere Alternative was going for.
I also don't understand why everyone wants an anime of it, it works perfectly fine in that format already, why are you asking for an inferior version?

>>7220218
He becomes not!Ryouma.
Okay, not really AyuMayu Alternative isn't canon.

>>7220295
Wait, wrong image.

Did anyone else salute at their screen when Capt. Sagiri died or during the shuttle launch beginning of Operation Cherry Blossom?

>>7220345
I spent most of the last 2 chapter saluting.

>>7220345
>first spoiler
fuck no, even though the coup d'etat arc has its narrative reasons, Sagiri came off as a huge retard in every adaption

Are there any translations for the Muv.Luv Supplement Fandisc?

>>7220362
Someone on /m/ posted some rather detailed summaries of 3 of the short stories in it.
Search the archive for daizaburou and the thread should pop up.

>>7220360
Agreed.

I was pretty annoyed that he effortlessly killed Walken with JAPANESE SPIRIT(plot skill). It would've been nice if that scene was drawn out a little more, which is about the only time I'd ever say that for MLA. Even all the "oh god they're eating me" deaths had more impact than that.

Hes such a stupid character that brushing over it like that was a little annoying.

>>7220404
The manga revealed that Walken's Raptor had been sabotaged.

>>7220500
I knew it!
My husbando would never have lost to a pussy nip otherwise.

>>7220525
Pages possibly relevant (Chinese scan though):
http://www.wiiyi.com/mh/1659/89443.shtml?p=15
http://www.wiiyi.com/mh/1659/89443.shtml?p=16
On the other hand Takeru put Michiru and Sagiri on the same skill level, so take from that what you will.

>>7220561
Takeru also thinks that Mitsuki is the better TSF pilot compare to Michiru. Michiru is more like the good in everything type of pilot.

>>7220500
By whom?
Was it Irma? She was the one who show at Sagiri right before they were going to get him to stand down, right? Or am I horribly confused

>>7220653
*shot

>>7220653
If I remember correctly the manga introduced the background setting that coup d'etat was planned by CIA or something like that (yeah, so much for japanese spirit and all those shiny words), it was probably an inside job.

>>7220218
Muvluv is too good to get an adaption. No one can make a good enough anime for it, so...

>>7220670
To be fair, Yoroi hinted pretty heavily at that in game.
Speaking of which does he show up in AF?
He was already nutty in Alternative, so I can't imagine how he'd be in AF.

>>7220801
I don't think so, but it's been a long time and maybe I just don't remember him. Walken, Irma and Piatif all appear in prominent roles though.

>>7220816
Yeah, I've read up to the point they all appear already.
Well, maybe not Irma, but Walken, Piatif and Radhabinod at least.

>>7220816
i was always interested in PIatif...

KNIIIIIIIIFE ATTACKU!

Muv-Luv no hentai..just pile of shit.

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>>7220890
Do you get to fuck her?

>>7221185
No.

>>7221219
Takeru is a faggot.

>>7221223
You don't actually get to give dickings to anyone in AF.

Was Ayamine's letter ever translated?

>>7221412
Considering Takeru couldn't get shit out of it and it's pretty much unreadable for most Japanese people, it's better left like that.

>Nirvash has it's own set of Spirits
I chuckled.

And the torrent is finally done for som people. Sorry for the terribad upload.

>>7220840
> KNIIIIIIIIFE ATTACKU DE ARRRRRRU!
improved

>>7222906
I don't get it

>mfw 暁遥かなり２ has no free play mode

>>7222954
Isn't it sad?
Glad I'm not the only one who thought that picture was fucking hilarious

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>>7222967
I tried playing it in real mode (lol) and it gave me some message along the lines of "this is impossible, go away, beating this difficulty won't unlock anything"
It gives the same thing for hell mode as well
Does beating it on the lower difficulties change anything?

>>7222954
> Get Raped by BETA 2
Are you having fun with the Gravis classes yet?

>>7223015
I gave up on Easy when I went from stages of getting TSF's potshotted by terribly positioned Lux and then "You must save this Gekishin pilot surrounded by a gigantic horde of BETA, 12 Lux, and your new best friend, Gravis. Lots of them. Because if she dies, you lose. Oh and did we mentioned she was already engaged with several other BETA from the start?"

>>7223022
I love them, it's like they combined the annoying aspects of mediums and ruitares to give you twice the pain in the ass!
I also love how they dropped the superpowered takemikazuchis you should only use in free mode and added the completely useless fubukis. Thanks age!

>>7223022
I love them, it's like they combined the annoying aspects of mediums and ruitares to give you twice the pain in the ass!
I also love how they dropped the superpowered takemikazuchis you could only use in free mode and added the completely useless fubukis. Thanks age!

the level up 暁遥かなり system is kinda confusing, how does the rank system work? I can't get my units from rank AA to whatever rank is next.

>>7223049
Come now, the Fubuki units aren't completely useless.

>>7223477
Kill lots of beta, don't take damage
That's pretty much how it works
Getting from AA to S and beyond takes much more exp than from the previous ranks
>>7223489
They're worse than the gekishits, I didn't think it was possible until being forced to guard them

>>7223505
>12 action points
How does this make you feel, anon?

>>7220801

Sadly, he's not listed in the voice credits for AF, so I'm gonna go ahead and say no. It's sad, I wanted to see Genjousai's rival and daughter appear in Alternative but that wasn't to be, either. Hell, and Kyozuka as well.

You'd think that Takeru would have wanted to meet Extra's Kyozuka at least once, hell when Marimo treated him to dinner I was expecting her to take him to Kyozuka rather than that shitty Sky Temple given how good friends they were in Alternative.

>>7220653

Anyone of the American pilots during the coup could have done it, though I prefer to think of it as the guy who saved Chizuru and Ayamine earlier (?). There was a scene where either those two or Mikoto/Tama were fighting and Marimo came to the rescue, along with an American eishi. He died pretty quick. After that we see Irma, who was the one who started shooting at Sagiri, die protecting the cadets as well.

I can imagine Sagiri's piloting skill being better than Walken, but Walken was not a wimp by any means and had a 3rd Gen TSF (equivalent to a Takemikazuchi 00-F in power) with anti-TSF stealth tech. It really sucks shit that he got wiped out so quickly, especially after we learned he's a really awesome guy,


As far as deaths go, Walken's came as a total surprise to me. No death flags exactly, unlike Irma. The only other death that truly came out of left field besides Walken's was Marimo's second death in the Extra Branch.

>>7223826
>shitty Sky Temple
Excuse me?

>>7223853

Ayu + Mayu?

I liked them better as Irma and Yuuhi

>>7222949

wow so apparently the va for kasumi was also the va for haruka and the vocalist for a bunch of the theme songs. also the infinite stratos openings.

>>7224103
You're saying that as if Kuribayashi isn't well known. She's an incredibly good singer... and mediocre as a seiyuu. Thankfully she doesn't do much as the latter, Alt just happened to have an overdose of her.

>>7224120
well it was news to me ;_;

>>7224120
I wouldn't have minded if she gets even more.

>>7224120
>and mediocre as a seiyuu

You obviously never heard her as Haruka in Hello, World.

I just realized by now she was there all along.

>>7224181
Who?

>>7224191
Light blue uniform in the middle is Eimu from Ayakashi, great character.
The one on the bed is Claes from Gunslinger Girl

>>7224191
left is the robot girl from night wizard. who's the one with the sword next to her?

>>7224210
>Tokiha Mai
And I thought Kanon was a mandatory VN that all /jp/ lurkers should read.

>>7224216
but mai has orange hair and big tits oh wait

>>7224222
Oh fuck. I remember the wrong name.
Kawasumi Mai.

>>7223826
>Sadly, he's not listed in the voice credits for AF, so I'm gonna go ahead and say no.
I guess his style was just too impeccable for an Extra-esque universe.

>>7224136

Don't feel too bad, she became a pretty famous CV following her role as Haruka in KimiNozo. Unfortunately, while success has found many of the other Muv-Luv voice staff, I wish I could hear Okushima and Taguchi in more rolls. Taguchi finally got an anime lead for the first time in years as Sora from last season's Yosunga no Sora. Okushima...bit parts here and there.

>>7224735
>Taguchi
That's Sumika, right?
>Okushima
Not sure who this is though.

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>>7224787
I see.
She really hasn't done many anime roles at all, has she?
Like, outside of ML, one of her best known roles is someone in the Japanese Ed, Edd, and Eddy dub, isn't it?

>>7224735
Taguchi seems to be in quite a few VN's at least. But yeah Meiya's VA doesn't really have many credits, even just counting VN's.

Where do you guys look up who did the voices in VNs anyway? I can sometimes find it with google, especially if it had an anime adaptation of some sort, but sometimes it can be hard.

>>7226075
http://beautyplanets.web.fc2.com/VADB/

where are the good fanarts of meiya in her extra clothes? I can only find semi-lewd pictures of her in a pilot suit.

>>7224791
>Japanese Ed, Edd, and Eddy dub
the funny part is that souichiro hoshi is the jap va for ed, while the original english va was also the dub va for kira yamato

>>7226228
>the funny part is that souichiro hoshi is the jap va for ed, while the original english va was also the dub va for kira yamato

What? Holy shit, I need to watch the JP Dub of EED, Takeru Meiya banter would be lolworthy.

>>7226228
My favorite image.

>>7226355
That isn't this, anyway.

>>7220345
I didn't salute when Sagiri died but I did salute when Isumi salutes when shes saying goodbye to Takeru

I was wondering what everyone was making such a big deal out of when Sumika reveals she was raped into pleasure by the BETA but when I got to that part, I raged so hard... I did feel the VN could've done without it though...

>>7226381
What could the BETA have done, then, to force Sumika so far into a corner that she pushed Takeru away?

>>7226381

That scene is intact even in All Ages.

It does make you wonder, though about how humiliating and demeaning it is to strip an organism of their body. It's beyond rape at that point, and scientists have done as much by extracting mice brain cells and stimulating them with electodes in Petri Dishes. They've even made a robot work on a simple neural network from murine cells.

Not blaming the scientists, or the BETA, but it's just something to consider. Stripping Sumika to just her brain seems much worse than stripping her naked. From Unlimited you get the impression it's horribly violent, but that it was painless for her and was more an issue of shame/humility gave me pause.

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I honestly thought Sumika was grasping for straws when she showed Takeru that. Given how extensively her character has been profiled in Extra and the Extra Branch, you've seen her gather the courage to overcome something shameful or embarassing in pursuit of her love. Takeru even admits that getting into the bath was what really clued him into Sumika. If Takeru got upset over something as trivial as that, it's not love, let alone the true love that defines their relationship.

The biggest deal, as she said herself, was that she'd once again be faced with a world without Takeru after he stops existing.

I wish age had spent more time talking about Sumika and Takeru's life in Alternative prior to the BETA swarming Yokohama. That's what I was most curious about when Sumika regained her senses, but not a lot of that was covered. We just got an unintentionally? funny scene where Takeru is shitting bricks at his otherworld self for trying to take on a group of Soldier-class to protect Sumika. I don't know if the scene was meant to be shocking (it was intensely traumatic for Sumika at least) but it's like playing Tsugumi's Route after all the washing machine jokes.

>>7223826
>I wanted to see Genjousai's rival and daughter appear in Alternative but that wasn't to be, either.
Actually, his daughter (can't remember her name) appears as a medic in Yokohama base, shortly after the invasion. She only gets one or two lines though, and appears for maybe a grand total of five seconds.

bump

>>7230649
too lewd. I was a little suprised though that we never got a coed shower scene after they mentioned it so many times.

>>7230663
>too lewd
Not even close

Regarding 暁遥かなり2, as far as I can tell there is nothing that can be "unlocked" by beating the various difficulties. I did notice that the ending changes, though. At the end of Very Easy/Easy/Hell/Real (I think) Nanase dies whereas he doesn't in Normal/Hard/Very Hard.

>>7231240
I have to beat it on normal to get the good end?
I have yet to beat it on very easy...

Muvluv Chronicels (1st fandisc). The Isumi sisters learn of Michiru's death. Screaming and crying, my favorite, plus some shell-shock.

Chronicles 01. The world if Takeru didn't exist in MLA. Post-apocalyptic, Marines dying, Marines having funerals for dead Marines.

>>7231489
is chronicles the thing with the orbit divers and rain dancers stories? does takeru not exist in tda or is that a different thing? I'm so confused by all of this extra material that's never getting translated.

>>7231489
Her death was officially attributed to a training accident with an exploding jump jet. Her sisters completely refused to believe Michiru who was top ace would go down in a training accident.

It's been a long time since I real MLA, but I seem to recall Michiru's death being pretty pointless in the long run. If I was Takeru and still around after the end of MLA, I'd have gone up to her sisters and been like, yeah, your sister was trying to be an hero but she basically died for nothing.

>>7231563
Chronicles 01 has 3 stories: one set in the aftermath of Alternative V (what would happen if Takeru wasn't around). Most of the world is a wasteland and the BETA are still around inspite of the massive G-bombing. It focuses on a detachment of Marines around a TSF carrier. Marimo is still alive. The other two are Chicken Divers (orbital drop troops) and Rain Dancers (European theater), both are very short.

Chronicles is a fandisc from 2008 with a Marimo story from her trainee days and a story about Michiru's sisters learning of her death (see pic, a sister freaking out from shell-shock flashback).

>>7231593
for some reason I thought the alternative v story was supposed to be in an unlimited timeline. weren't people speculating about who the purple takemikazuchi from some promo material for it was?

was the rain dancers one battle of london seen in the 10th anniversary pv or a different thing?

>>7231569
Yeah, actually a lot of people died that didn't have to simply because Takeru couldn't keep his mind out of the gutter.

>>7231640
It is.
>Muv-Luv Unlimited "THE DAY AFTER"

>>7231771
so takeru and squad 207 might show up afterall? is there any information about what a01 was doing during unlimited?

I really want to play this, but all the horribly justified-sounding plot devices I keep hearing of are making me rage already and I haven't even touched a thing after the first partial.

Can anyone try convincing me that this is anything other than a melodramatic violent rape/gore game so that I can play it and not hate the shit out of it?

>>7231952
No. Stop being a faggot and make your own decision.

>>7231952
you're missing out on all the cool action scenes

>>7231957

What's wrong with asking for some help if I'm having trouble making up my mind? What's wrong with relying on others a little?

This has always confused me. People get so angry when I ask for an opinion.

>>7231958

Okay, but do those really make up for something as monumentally retarded as rejecting someone because you got raped by aliens or whatever?

>>7231970
how should I know faggot I'm not you. the reason I was initially interested in the series was the robots so it seemed worth it to me. just kidding, it wasn't worth seeing meiya suffer so much at all

>>7231952
There is only that one rape scene and then like two brief gore scenes.

>>7231970
>People get so angry when I ask for an opinion.
Yeah, 4chan.

There are one and two rageworthy bits, but by and large I found it to be a powerful, moving story. Even though you have to slog through Extra and Unlimited to get to Alternative (Unlimited is fine, but depending on your feelings about cliche high school harems Extra ranges from okay to painful), I found it to be a very worthwhile read. For what it's worth, I reccomend it.

am i the only one who thinks that game could have been a lot better apart from the action scenes?
The action scenes were good but i never liked sumika and more so after reading that alien rape part. Not being able to choose a girl even after going back was a huge let down too. Why bother with the letters then?

>>7232883
The game was supposed to be Sumika's route in Unlimited, and got further expanded only after they realized it was too much to fit into the original game. The fact that they got other heroine extras into the game is a nice thought towards the fans at all.
The fact that Takeru loves her even after that scene is one of the things that make Alternative one of the most powerful pure love stories ever. I mean I know the visual novel standard is ruled by convenient developments in romance, but an obstacle like this makes the love all the more powerful in my opinion.

tl;dr Alternative is not supposed to be a choose your heroine galge

Do you also have to grind every difficulty to get good pilots in 暁遙かなり2?

If you didn't like Sumika and was bugged by the ending, that's age doing a good job at fondling your heartstrings. Especially if you liked Meiya from the start - arguably, Alternative Meiya was the closest version of herself to Takeru yet wasn't in a relationship with him. Their relationship was very natural and open, it's easy to like her or any of the other girls.

It's easy to dislike Sumika, the hard part is liking her. age had to spend a lot of time justifying Takeru and Sumika's relationship because the game doesn't cover the 16 years they've spent together, the player meets all the girls at the same time. Literally all of Sumika's Extra Route was devoted to filling in the lost time, if you mixed choices for Meiya and Sumika and got the Sumika end, you feel like you got trolled. That's how important all the little scenes were into building in a character who didn't even appear in Unlimited and was the main heroine of Alternative. Liking Sumika at the end of Alternative, then, is age succeeding in successfully selling a childhood friend character which would normally be the most pitiful option in harem eroge.

Takeru and Sumika didn't start off as the best characters, but by Alternative they'd grown up and age convinced me their (reciprocated) romance was a very pure, very mature love. Not exactly "realistic" like Takeru's relationship with his squad, but the kind of storybook quality romance that occassionally finds its way into history.

>>7231970
>>7231952
Because you are a dumb indecisive faggot that cant make his own decisions.
You seen and read the reviews, hype and people talking about the game like it is the best thing since slice bread but you still want to ask?

I bet you are one of those faggot that made thread like "I just finish X, what should I play next?".
Stop being a a fucking sheep and do whatever just because you are told to. Get out of /jp/ and grow a fucking spine. Dont come back until you grew some balls.

bunch of sheeple in this thread

>>7233119
I thought the weakest part of the game was that the main heroine was less developed than the secondary ones. I could tell I was supposed to like sumika, but there just wasn't enough support for it.

>>7233715
I see this often, but who says a character must undergo heavy development to be good? Sumika is a pretty simple person, and didn't get military training for all her life or anything of the sort that puts her into moral conflicts or something. You're supposed to realize literally all she's got is her undying love for Takeru.

Just finished Alt a hour ago.

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

It's been just about a year since any media has made me cry (Symphonic Rain), and before that it had been several years since I cried from a story--much less a VN--but I was so emotionally impacted that I sat laughing and crying as humanity celebrated the successful destruction of the original hive. I am literally numb from the kind of feelings that passed through me while reading the WHOLE series, not just MLA. In fact, I'd probably say that its mostly due to the sheer volume of development that each of the characters get through all the games that makes you truly assimilate with Takeru and fight with the squad.

MLA taught me the depth behind a FUCKING SALUTE. Previously, I thought saluting was mundane/trite, to say the least. Now, I see it as a true form of utmost respect. Just as was mentioned earlier in the thread, I saluted multiple times--I couldn't express my emotion in any other way.

What kind of sorcery did they create this game with?
I apologize for the blog-ish post, but more on topic, I would have to say that I agree that the rape scene was a bit awkward, but not entirely useless. I agree that it helped develop Sumika and Takeru's relationship, and it added a personal feeling of rage towards the BETA.


>>7233715
I felt opposite of you. I felt that Sumika and Takeru's relationship had much more substance in EXTRA than Meiya and Takeru's. The Meiya route in Extra felt forced, with little justification until the ending (for me). That isn't the case in Unlimited or Alternative, though, where we watch their relationship develop.

>>7231952
Going into ML expecting a great story is dumb. About the only redeeming feature it has is the characters, and a tiny bit of entertaining scenes. Don't take it too seriously and it might be enjoyable.

>>7233824
The story sucked the moment that it got translated, right?

>>7233909
He's only talking about ML (Extra+Unl), not Alt, anon. No need to be so belligerent.

>>7233792
What you really liked about Muv-Luv was:

1. The pre-mission briefing tension.
2. The few actual missions.
3. Suffering from the loss of life.

Everything else ranged from mediocre (slice of life), boring (the huge gigantic reams of techno babel and talks) and shit (the forced romance with the worst main heroine in the cast). If the whole game was just tension-building up to battles, the battles, and crying over lost team members afterwards I'd have liked it more. But most of the game was talks after talks after fucking TALKS broken up by a little SoL comedy.

>>7233948
>What you really liked
Fucking esper in my /jp/?
Stop being such a preposterous faggot please.

>>7233909
No, it always sucked. Why must you people insist on repeating stupid things over and over?

>>7233948
Is this really a serious post? I'm just going to pretend you're kidding.

>>7233948
First, this is in response to the entire Muv-Luv series, including Alt, which is what I am assuming you are referring to.


I agree with your assessment of me, but only partially. You're right--I did love the tension, loss of life, and battles. However, the intermittent SoL really pulled Alt together for me--after such tension in the battles, I was looking forward to the social interactions between everyone (well, I did get bored when Takeru WASN'T talking to either Yuuko, Sumika, Kasumi, or Meiya. The side cast conversations did drag out a little too long, like with Isumi/Kashiwagi).

Personally, the "techno-babel" was very interesting to me. Too often, I feel, writers don't flesh out the world enough. In this case, I'd argue that age did excellently. This is entirely a matter of subjectivity.

As for the forced romance, I can see your point, but only to a certain extent. I would think that after the beginning of the romance (when Takeru is unconvincingly "convinced" that he can only love Sumika around the point where he first goes back home using Yuuko's machine), it became much more fleshed out, even through some "forced development," if it pleases you to call it that.

However, the comment about Sumika being a terrible heroine is far too opinion-based to argue. I would have entirely agreed with you at the beginning of Extra, when she seemed utterly flat, but as she started to gain dimension at the very end of Extra and in Alt I became much more interested in her. The same goes for Meiya, though. She became an absolutely phenomenal character through Unlimited and Alt after she was separated from the stupid "childhood promise" cop-out. It would be very difficult for me to pick my favourite.

>>7233792

>>7234012

>She became an absolutely phenomenal character through Unlimited and Alt after she was separated from the stupid "childhood promise" cop-out.

This. Holy shit. Meiya's Extra ending sequence from the choice at the tree to the ending is still one of my favorites but her characterization in both UL and AL was miles better.

>>7233948
0/10

You can't give a fuck about the missions and the loss of life if you didn't have that "mediocre" and "boring" shit to back it up.

>>7233783
by development I mean "scenes that make you like her." I liked her the most initially but she got left behind pretty quickly as the series went on.

>>7234040
I think while the initial reason for their relationship is different the basic nature is pretty much the same in both universes. takeru is the only thing she allows herself to have personal feelings about and her relationship with him allows her to develop beyond her singleminded devotion to her family.

>>7233792
>I felt opposite of you. I felt that Sumika and Takeru's relationship had much more substance in EXTRA than Meiya and Takeru's. The Meiya route in Extra felt forced, with little justification until the ending (for me). That isn't the case in Unlimited or Alternative, though, where we watch their relationship develop.

Both Meiya and Sumika shame you into make an emotional decision on the fly because the girls spent years dreaming of Takeru as their prince in shining armor, and to pick either of them pretty much means that they spent all those years for nothing. Meiya in particular didn't have Yuuhi in Extra to give her strength, so literally that memory of Takeru is what allowed her to endure the Mitsurugi conditioning. But her forcing her delusion onto Takeru is wrong, and you see her start to correct herself at the end fo Extra and she completely avoids it in Alternative despite being a different life.

Most people probably favored Meiya in Extra, but canon Takeru picked Sumika because those 14 years of interaction > 3 months of Meiya and a childhood promise. Even if Meiya depended on Takeru's promise, she only depended on the unrequited promise and not his love. Raiden allowed her to seduce him so she could mature/learn that, which she did by the time she left.

Full disclosure: I was honestly not attracted to ANY of the main Muv-luv heroines. None of them did it for me -- they all had serious drawbacks; being annoying, being a loli, having a shit personality, having a weird hairstyle, or some combination thereof. But with that being said, I HATED the incessant shoving Sumika down our throats, a brutally generic moe-genki childhood friend archtype we could never be allowed to escape from if we wanted to follow the "main" storyline, with only Meiya being allowed to come close. What the fuck is so special about Sumika -- besides bullshit plot devices I mean? The fact that she luvs the MC? So does every main heroine and most of the side-heroines. The fact she was raped by the BETAs? So have other people -- and some of you guys missed what happened there; she was being raped by hideous aliens but it still felt good, proving anything shoved into her sexual organs is as good as any other thing. That is nothing special at all, and just puts her on par with any other female in any eroge. So plot devices aside, what makes her so special.

>>7234153
There is no canon Takeru, or rather every routes is canon.
The fact that Taerku chose other girls than Sumika in different universe is basically why everything happen.

>>7234158
Basically that she was so much in love with Takeru her only thought as a brain was about him which caused the time space distortion and started Unlimited
If that's not love, I don't know what it is.

>>7234158
> what makes her so special.
The strength of her feelings.

to be honest i cried more while playing Edelweiss than during Alternative because i was not forced to be with the most retarded heroine
apart from the scene where he goes back and sees marimo again and starts crying and then she dies again that was well written

>>7234186
>cried more while playing Edelweiss
I think the problem is that you cried while reading Edelweiss.
Seriously?

>being a loli
since when is this a problem here? i liked kasumi the best.

>>7234190
I think he was talking about Tama.

>>7234158
The same thing that makes any heroine special: the compatibility of their personality with the tastes of the reader.

Everyone always hates the main heroine, then they feel so fucking special when they go around complaining how the "worst" heroine is the main one. You guys need to stop being so indignant about it.

>>7234153
>Raiden allowed her to seduce him so she could mature/learn that, which she did by the time she left.
it seemed to me like meiya would be a completely broken person after takeru doesn't choose her. takeru was her only link to her humanity and without that she's basically just operating in robot mode.

>>7234203
Or maybe she overcomes her obsession and becomes a better, more indipendent person?

>>7234192
oh, right. forgot about her.

>>7234153
Wait wait
Who is Raiden?

>>7234223

>>7234158
>What the fuck is so special about Sumika

Nothing.

Sumika tells you this, OUTRIGHT, in Extra right after Meiya leaves. She's not smart, she's not athletic, she has no special skills and isn't rich. She even tells you her personality is an act to make herself more entertaining. All she has is her love for Takeru, and in spite of knowing that she normally wouldn't have a chance with a desirable guy like him, she never lets go of the hope that Takeru will someday love her back. She gathered her courage to do embarassing/shameful things, like the hotspring scene, because she was so desperate.

I got Sumika's end first in Extra, even though I wanted Meiya, but when I picked Meiya, I was scared that Sumika would simply fade away once Takeru stepped out of her life. That's basically what happened.

>>7234208
I don't see any evidence of that happening though. takeru was her only window to living for herself, and with that closed off there's nothing left for her but responsibility.

>>7234153
Exactly right. In fact, the reason why I wasn't able to accept Meiya's ending in Extra was because my suspension of disbelief was utterly shattered by how fast their relationship develops. I'd say that the issue with Extra wasn't what we did see (which was good, overall), but what we didn't see. In order to read Extra the way it probably should be, you have to project Sumika and Takeru's pre-supposed long-term relationship--something that a great many of /jp/ denizens understandable had difficulty doing. Overall, it would have exponentially improved the entire story if we got some more diary expositions during Extra--enough that we could lay the implied foundations for their relationship. I would have loved it if the diary expos made a side story as a whole, ultimately detailing the point where Sumika "fell in love with" Takeru.

Ultimately, I am grasping at straws to find faults with the experience that the ML series gave me, personally. Objectively, it may have been flawed in ways that I described above, but subjectively the ML series had some impact on me as a person due to its greatness. This may be due to luck though--despite how often/long I've browsed /jp/, I've miraculously managed to almost all the spoilers [/spoiler]Even including dear ol' chomp-kun. I opened the thumbnail one time on accident a long time ago and immediately closed it. All I knew was that someone got chomped, I didn't know it was Marimo-chan.[/spoiler]. This "virgin" experience may have made it all the better for me.

>>7234223
>>7234233

Mitsurugi Raiden is Meiya's grandfather, the head of the Mitsurugi Financial Group. He was the one who scooped Meiya from the sandbox.

don´t mind me, just having a picnic in a place that was a warzone one hour ago

>>7234244
>In order to read Extra the way it probably should be, you have to project Sumika and Takeru's pre-supposed long-term relationship--something that a great many of /jp/ denizens understandable had difficulty doing
I don't see how that's different from any other childhood friend heroine. Though I guess /jp/ seems to dislike osananajimis in general so you might have a point. Maybe the fact that I had childhood friends, including a couple of female ones, (don't worry, I don't have any friends anymore) is why I like childhood friend heroines?

But really, being able to infer relationships that were established and developed before the start of a story is a basic reading skill that a consumer of any kind of fiction should be able to do.

>>7234244
>Objectively, it may have been flawed in ways that I described above
If you're looking for flaws, you'll find them in any visual novel ever made. Liking a visual novel doesn't mean you're blind to its flaws, just they don't bother you as much.

>>7234203
>it seemed to me like meiya would be a completely broken person after takeru doesn't choose her. takeru was her only link to her humanity and without that she's basically just operating in robot mode.

You mean Sumika? Because that description fits Sumika a lot more than Meiya.

Meiya has a duty to uphold which takes precedence over her personal feelings. In Unlimited and Alternative, there's no hesitation in this at all. But in Extra, she actually rebelled against her grandfather for the chance to pursue Takeru, and that allowed her to learn the life lessons her UL/AL counterpart already knew that she otherwise wouldn't have. It's very likely that Meiya would have simply mirrored her UL/AL counterpart in fulfilling a duty thrust upon her, her resolve was that strong.

>>7234324
I always feel bad for the childhood friend characters so I went for sumika's ending first but it was so unsatisfying I had to go back and replay for meiya's ending right away. I really wanted to like sumika but the game just didn't do anything to help so I gave up after a while.

>>7234324
>being able to infer relationships that were established and developed before the start of a story is a basic reading skill that a consumer of any kind of fiction should be able to do.

It's not even that. Inferring stuff runs the risk of you imagining development that isn't even there. But Sumika outright confessed to everything during her balcony heart to heart with Takeru right before she ran away.

You don't have to infer anything, you just had to fucking pay attention.

>>7234341
that's what I meant. she would end up acting like alternative meiya during the coup arc, sacrificing herself for her responsibilty without thinking about personal goals at all. sumika and meiya are the same in that they can't exist as themselves without takeru around.

>>7234324
It ISN'T much different from any osananajimi, but that doesn't necessarily make it an effective storytelling technique. Classically, the reason why I dislike the osananajimi archetype is precisely due to the very reason I outlined--they aren't always given enough support for the many-year relationship they share with the protagonist. You are correct when you say that inferring relationships is a basic reading skill, but that is with proper development and interactions, something that is a little... sparse in Extra (but not in Alt). It's for this same reason that I made my previous suggestion, which would be to increase the number of flashbacks/diary scenes and use them for development, helping their relationship immeasurably. I would imagine that you can just relate easier using your own experiences.

However, I don't want to be perceived as not liking Sumika/ML, because I very well did. I just don't think the childhood friend excuse is a very effective method of storytelling and character development.

On a side note, I really need to proofread my posts a little more. I always end up with them littered with mistakes when I write longer ones.

>>7234338
That's exactly how I feel.

I gotta stop skimming these threads and finish reading ALT... then wait as AF is never translated...

>>7234354
Meiya's Extra ending was just as unsatisfying. The side routes had slightly more satisfying endings, but only very slightly.

>>7234392
>proper development and interactions, something that is a little... sparse in Extra
I think there was certainly enough interaction, with Sumika and the other heroines. The relationship development was fine too, except that the romantic side lagged behind the overall relationship development. That's why the romance in Extra felt so unsatisfying.

>>7234482
I didn't find it very unsatisfying, but everyone has different tastes. Takeru is basically marrying the woman who will inherit the world, how satisfying is that?.

>>7234482
>The relationship development was fine too, except that the romantic side lagged behind the overall relationship development. That's why the romance in Extra felt so unsatisfying.

This is expected, Extra takes place in a carefree high school setting where the characters have all these idealized/naiive views of love and romance. Even if the characters have complete understanding and devotion to one another, you can't call it true love until it's been put to the test. Alternative is that test.

It's ironic, but I hated most of the sex scenes in Muv-Luv, and didn't care for Sumika's in Extra, but I was cheering like a hockey dad for Takeru and Sumika in Alternative. It was a pretty silly scene with ANGRYFACE Takeru complimenting Sumika's fake body, and making fun of her quantum brain but I couldn't have been prouder.

In retrospect, I wish it could have been even sillier. "Since you're made of silicon, if you give birth to a daughter, she'll have huge breasts."

>>7234514
I thought meiya in extra was a little rushed. the entire sports festival arc felt like wasted time. it had my favorite h scene from the entire trilogy though.

If she isn't my waifu, why is she wearing a wedding dress?

>>7234674
because fucking a girl in a wedding dress is my fetish

>>7234674
She works at Bridettes, the kind of club you can simulate your wedding night 'activities'

So which game is the Meiya game?
That's the one I would like to play.

Also what exactly is "Muv Luv Alternative Total Eclipse?" Is it only run in Tech Gian?

>>7234694
They all have Meiya. (Or at least all 3 of the "main" ones.) Only the first two have routes for her, but I've yet to meet anyone who read Extra and Unlimited and then had no desire to read Alternative.

>>7234694
meiya doesn't have a game, only bad endings and hurt feelings. I guess you could consider unlimited her game if alternative is sumika's.

I think total eclipse is a light novel series or something, but I heard there was a vn segment for it in one of the fandiscs too.

>>7234716
>>meiya doesn't have a game, only bad endings and hurt feelings
Your post is quite demoralizing.

>>7234716
She has a route in Extra as well... It's only Alternative where she is doomed to be friend zoned.

Total Eclipse is a side story of LNs that first ran in Tech Gian before being published.
Included in AF is like the first chapter and a half in VN form.
age's set to make a VN where the LNs left off e.g. Yui being sniped, as part of Alternative Chronicles.

>>7234780

It's already been released.

>It's only Alternative where she is doomed to be friend zoned.

And thats why there is AF.

>>7234794
>2007
isn't that the thing that was included with altered fable?

>>7234918
Yes it is.

You take away the bullshit plot device, and there is NOTHING special about Sumika in terms of her relationship with Takeru. What was her claim to a relationship with him -- the fact that she luvs him and has been around him for many years more than other girls? The fact is, Takeru has been through the WORST HELL imaginable with other girls, by the end of Altenrative he admits that he no longer considers himself a member of the peaceful world. The effect on his character has been dramatic and he is no longer the Takeru that got transported into Alternative; his experiences in training, battle against fate of humanity's extinction on Earth, his own battle with PTSD, seeing friends and comrades die in droves infront of him -- and Sumika had NO PART in it. Takeru has been supported by other girls through his ordeals, he's connected with people in Alternative in a completely more fundamental way than his childlike self back in Extra. And inspite of ALL this tragedy and all this experience, he still carries a flame for some childhood friend he knew in a different life? That's BULLSHIT. Takeru's scenes with Meiya in Alternative (and even Unlimited) were way, WAY deeper and meaningful than anything he shared with Sumika. How the FUCK does is schoolyard hijinks with Sumika compare with watching Marimo get turned into chopped meat right in front of him, suffering from trauma, and then finding her again -- the most powerful scene in any VN I've ever seen and also a tragedy 1000x times more powerful than a childhood friend being tentacle-raped.

>>7235075
Most of us probably have already finished it, but you should still use spoiler tags, bro.

>>7235075
Your POST was TOO LONG and had TOO MANY WORDS in ALL CAPS, so I DIDN'T READ it

>>7235075
Shippers are fucking annoying.

>>7235075
if you took out the part about the other girl I would have even called it anti-shipping
he does make a convincing case on why it is retarded

what's the song playing during the ending sequence of unlimited with the space ships and takeru talking? I think it's an instrumental arrangement of another song but I can't find it on any of the soundtracks I downloaded.

>>7234794
translation progress?

>>7235162
Stalled forever.

>>7235154
Might be the instrumental for Carry On by Masaki Endoh.

>>7235075
>compare with watching Marimo get turned into chopped meat right in front of him, suffering from trauma, and then finding her again

Except this is the exact same thing that happened to Sumika, if you swap "Takeru" for "Marimo", and it happened with the same class of BETA as well.

>>7235144
It's not anti-shipping since he's arguing against the pairing that the writers themselves wrote. And no, saying you can only love someone if you've gone through some sort of trauma with them, and that whoever you've gone through the most trauma with has to be the person you love, isn't a convincing case for anything except that whoever's making the argument doesn't understand love.

Oh wow, /jp/ sure loves to hate on good characters.

Sumika is the best heroine, that's all. I'm all for Yuuhi and Kasumi routes on AF, though.

>>7235183
I think I remember the song being in the sound test that came with the game so I'll have to check. why would they have the instrumental version of a song that wouldn't be used until 3 years later in the game though?

>>7235195
No. Wrong and fail. Takeru is a completely different person after having been through Alternative. It's totally absurd his feelings for a childhood friend he played around with in a different life wouldn't have changed but instead have gotten stronger. The ONLY way such a thing would make sense is if it was a desire to run away to his old life -- which he already faced and moved past. This is a SHIT tier romance, just accept it.

>>7235213
it's not absurd when you consider sumika cheated and reset all of the takerus that didn't feel that way

So wait. You tell people that like Railgun to go to /a/ because /a/ is a better board for discussing it, but you let blatantly /m/ things stay?

What the hell, /jp/. What the hell...

>>7235242
Herp Derp.

>>7235242

Reported.

>>7235213
It wasn't a desire to run away to his old life, it was a desire to set the worlds right and return to his original world, and Sumika. All the shit he went through was for Sumika. It's a god-tier pure love story.

>>7235242
Don't joke about that. Let's not turn this into another kamen rider discussion.

>>7235075
>tentacle rape

This was a bitchy move on Sumika's part and she knew it, all it did was terrify Kasumi. She understands Takeru almost perfectly, so she should have known he wouldn't have given a shit about that. The real reason she wanted to distance herself from Takeru was she was afraid of losing him again one day, which was a sign of her immaturity.

It's an interesting inversion. In Extra, Sumika was more mature than Takeru despite acting like an idiot. But by the tree scene in Alternative, Takeru was much more mature than she was.

>>7235242

I see that you've never been here before.

Are you enjoying yourself?

>>7235242
"blatantly /m/ things"?

Since when was discussion of mecha stuff ONLY allowed on /m/?

>>7235154
There's two songs there. The first one, when Takeru starts talking, is called '願い' - sorry I can't give you more than that, that's all my soundtracks list it as. Oddly enough, I can't find it on the Muv-Luv soundtrack - I have it on the Alternative OST 1. It then turns into Harukanaru Furusato no Uta (Songs of a Distant Earth), which is on the Muv-Luv OST.

>>7235183 is thinking of a different cinematic.

>>7235460
wait I was actually thinking of this scene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VxsXRc6eW4

>>7235497
That's part of 失われゆくもの from Alternative's second OST I believe.

>>7235497
25 衛士の流儀
I think I found it too. I forget when it actually plays in the game though.

>>7235497
Ah, I haven't seen that thing before. Nonetheless, found it. '衛士の流儀' from Alternative OST 2.

>>7235526
>>7235521
>>7235460
If you listen to that theme it is a more mellowed out version of Carry On. Endoh probably wrote Carry On around that theme since the actual song came later.

>>7235075
No you wrong. Remember the fact that he ran away to his old world after HEADCHOMP? Yeah that was exactly because he hadn't changed yet. During that time in the old world where Sumika and Takeru reconnected and confessed, and then Sumika got squished was what made Takeru change.

The only reason he became badass was because he wanted to undo what had happened to Marimo and Sumika, along with getting back to his world. The main cause wasn't because of anything from Alternative, but rather the fact that he had fucked up his old world and that he wanted to get back with Sumika.

>>7235758

Actually, he changed at the end of Unlimited, but since his memories were reset when he came to Alternative, he lost the resolve that had once been so firm (love for the Unlimited girl). That's why he struggled for a good part of Alternative and was mentally weak, even though he projected confidence: he'd forgotten his personal reason to fight, and was just left with a vague ideal and some unconscious passion he didn't understand. Not much different from how he is at the start of Altered Fable.

The big difference though is in Unlimited, Takeru had no choice, he had to accept his fate. Even when he looped into Alternative, it wasn't a concious decision on his part. When he chose to return to Alternative after he fucked up Extra, he did so of his own volition to accept his social responsibility, a duty he was unwilling to accept before he left.

God damn it. I was driving and listening to my Mumford and Sons album, and "After the Storm" came on, and it made me burst into tears right there.

"And I took you by the hand/and we stood tall"
...
"And I won't die alone/and be left there/well I guess I'll just go home/or God knows where. Because Death is just so full/and Man so small"

Even though I don't often listen to English music, this song and White Blank Page bring tears to my eyes now. I wonder what story I could possibly immerse myself to combat this depression.

>>7235914
i listened to that song after reading your post and i nearly cried too
thanks for mentioning a nice band


btw does altered fable have any routes at all?

>>7237240
>btw does altered fable have any routes at all?
Yes, but all that's different is the ero scene a Mitsurugi machine-induced dream so you aren't really fucking your heroine and the last 5 seconds of the story.

after playing alternative I wondered why there never was a real yuuko route
in my opinion she´s one of the most developed characters
particularly after seeing her holding Marimos picture and going out of her way to see Takeru off

>>7237380
because she isn't into younger men

>>7237380
It's not like every good female character has to have a route, you know
You got Unlimited's bad end as a fanservice anyways

>>7237434
My bottle of daiginjou sake says otherwise

>>7237380

Yuuko doesn't develop, she's already a finished/mature character, Takeru's view of her just changes as he grows up. But you can tell that she REALLY appreciated him, she lucked out in a lot of ways with Takeru being so capable.

>>7238075

You can hear it as she talks about him in the Chronicles trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybKmPtj8KMU

Yuuko is probably my favorite character in alternative. You can see her motivation in everything she does and it never felt contradictory or out of character.

>>7235521
>I forget when it actually plays in the game though.
Pic related.

>>7238075
is this from the cg rip some guy made? is the torrent still being seeded?

>>7238940

I'm seeding.

Does anyone have a translation for the Shoguns letter to squad 207?

>>7239146
someone uploaded a subtitled video a couple threads ago. it's probably on /rs/ or in the archive.

I HATED Yuuko and I found myself just skipping a lot of her scenes. Why? The talking. Talks. Talks. TALKS. Her three poses, the creek of her office chair every once in a while, and talk, talk, talk TALK, TALK, tALk, TaLk, TAAAALK~~~~~! Holy shit, I get it! BETA came to earth in the 70s, kicked everyone's asses, set up hives that grow larger, g-element, Alternative, etc and so on. It would have been MUCH better to break down the info-dumps into smaller chunks and spread them out amongst briefings, in-mission chatter, base discussions, etc.

Yuuko just wouldn't shut the hell up and it grated on my nerves. I went back and read it again last year and it was much less entertaining as a whole than as I remembered it -- because I forgot about all the fucking talks and remembered all the battles and powerful scenes like Takeru's reunion with Marimo, the graduation ceremony, the heroic sacrifices in battle, the moment after they blew up the hive monument, etc.

>>7239224
You, sir, are a humongous faggot. Go back to your mindless nukiges.

There was a ton of talking in MLA but I felt nostagic when I started spacing out during Michiru's early lectures, then regained focus. Then Takeru starts doing it himself! I regretted not paying a lot of attention because when the shit hit the fan in Sadogashima I was lost in the chaotic mayhem, so i went back and reviewed them. Really good stuff.

I keep getting this error during the coup arc. It's right after Tsukuyomi leaves Takeru after informing them about what's going on in the capital. Anyone know how to fix this?

I'm assuming a video plays.

>>7239338

I got that error a lot when I used the ctrl skip through some parts leading up the coup. Haven't had a problem since the, but save your progress after you've skipped some stuff. That'll help you get around the hiccups.

IIRC I remember last year or back when the poll was going on TLwiki had apparently translated a portion of Altered Fable or Total Eclipse but never released it. Was that true?

>>7239350
Thanks. Works.

>>7239338
Try to use the updated version of the patch installer (the plugin there fixes the crash at that point)
http://www.mediafire.com/?yjxcggj8gsdq54x

Why Tsukuyomi such Star Wars otaku? age like Star Wars? Everyone call her Chew-ie.

>>7238949
request for link, ma'am!

>>7241013
oh u

>>7241063
>dozo

http://sukebei.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=45774

>>7241013
<marimo chewy joke here>

>>7241073

Just wondering, but wasnt Takeru the best pilot of all times in AL world? i dont think that in the new chronicles could exist a better pilot than him, but i havent read that--so is just a unbased opinion, what you think guys?

>>7241692
He did kill like fucklot forts all by himself.

>>7241703
Yeah i find that amazing too, i dont think that any other pilot could match him, IMO.

>>7241692
One thing that annoyed me was that Takeru's interaction with the Alternative world was very limited, but he was called a "genius ace" according to Mitsuki. My reading on his skill level was a level below top aces like Tskyomi in "normal" situations like mock battles or easy fights. But like every VN protag his true power comes out in times in great need and in critical situations he becomes god-tier.

So 99% of the time he would be roughly on par with the top half of the Valkyries.

>>7241724
The Honor Guard was using Takemikazuchis though. But yeah, Tsukoyomi seemed a little better, but I'd give that her experience.

>>7241724
>>7241744
Would be nice watch Takeru in one of those (Takemikazuchis) and probably with a litle bit more of exp., he would be the bigest badass in that world

>>7241752
Takeru at 100% would wipe the floor with any other pilot, regardless of equipment. It's just that he's at 50% most of the time IMO.

>>7241833
Really, though? I always got the impression that he was better to start out with because he had experience playing Valgernon, but I'd have thought that other pilots with a sufficient amount of experience would negate that advantage.

>>7241884
Yeah, I think he loses in raw experience, but makes that up with his crazy videogames-like turbo maneuvers that were unheard of before him. That why he gets called a "genius", because he did things outside the box of the then-conventional thinking.

>>7241895
In his first run through Unlimited, perhaps. But in Alt, he has more than enough experience to earn his god tier rank people give him credit for due looping shitloads of times through Unlimited and the Alternative 5 apocalypse scenario.
Whether or not he has conscious access to those experiences at times is a different matter altogether.

>>7241931
He still lacks battle experience and I think that's what we're talking about. Even he mentions at some point that he doesn't remember fighting against the BETA, just guarding the rear.

Just finished Marimo's story in Chronicles.

From what she said in Alternative, I expected that she explicitly did something that got her squad killed. With the BETA attack as it was, I don't think there was much she could have done. The only possible thing you might pin on her was freezing when the Magnus Lux fired at her, but considering it was her first battle it's hard to blame her.

Takeru thinks Tsukuyomi + XM3 is better than the Valkyries + XM3, while Valkyries + XM3 are better than Sagiri. Sagiri and Tsukuyomi were more or less tied even though Tsukuyomi's Takemikazuchi is technically more powerful than Sagiri's Shiranui. Takeru in his XM3 Shiranui was far better than even Mitsuki + XM3.

In terms of skill, Takeru is the best pilot in UN history, and probably the best in MLA. But in terms of overall offense, Meiya + XM3 Type-00R was the most powerful Eishi, and was probably tougher than Tsukuyomi or any other Takemikazuchi pilot.

In the original group in term of skill
Takeru > Tama >>>> all

i would bet for Takeru always, not for being the MC, but for having crazy manouvers and being so good in cqc (not great like Meiya or Ayamine tho) and being 100% focused, i´ve see no chance for any other pilot.

>>7241972
I doubt that in the numerous iterations of Unlimited he got stuck guarding the rear every single time, though even if he did he had to fight at least some BETA eventually in order to die and loop back. So its inevitable for him to gain at least some battle experience and for it to accumulate over the multiple loops.

And considering how wiped memories work in Alt, its not that far-fetched to assume the experience might have been triggered as unconscious skill rather than outright memories of the events.

>>7242091

Experience meant next to nothing because he was always piloting a shitty Gekishin that didn't have his XM3. He'd probably have survived longer than most pilots, but he wouldn't have been incredibly different from the veteran UN pilots who died during the XM3 trials.

Prior to Takeru's XM3, pilots would get killed from simple charges of Grappler and Destroyers, let alone the much more common death by Tank class. That's how shitty the Gekishin was.

It's pretty amazing Marimo was able to use a Gekishin against the coup forces Shiranui and kill a bunch of them. Technically speaking, Squad 207B didn't kill any of the coup forces. Hell, the first human Takeru ever killed directly was Meiya

>>7242091
Well, considering he only looped six times, I doubt he accumulated THAT much experience.

>>7242185
>he only looped six times
You can't prove he only looped six times, he could have looped an indefinite number of times repeating events.

>>7242189
Except he didn't. He looped exactly six.

>>7242189
Takeru is Rika.

Why does Takeru suck at everything so much in Unlimited? This is getting painful.

>>7242196
Why doesn't anyone Sumika's brain?

Takeru > Joui Sonzai >> Tsukuyomi > Mieya > Fort Class > top Valkyries > elite Japanese > lower Valkyries > elite US > elite Japanese >>> standard forces > large class BETAs >>>>>> traditional military forces >> small class BETAs.

Takeru at 100% is totally superhuman and would crush any other pilot with similar gear, and would probably manage to eek out a win with massively less capable gear.

>>7242194
>>7242185
>[citation needed]
Seriously though, I am pretty sure there wasn't anything in Alt that stated he did it only 6 times. For all we know he could have derped around the same paths several times over before finally opting to go on to the Sumika route.

That said, even going through a no way out, life and death struggle 6 times would be much more than most regular eishi go through, shitty gekishin or otherwise. And while that might not exactly make up for the experience of other people like Marimo who were at that shit for years, it kinda justifies his almost hax skill against BETA outside of "hurr durr valgernon, cancels and combos".

>elite Japanese > [...] > elite Japanese
uh huh

>>7242218
They had to give him paint-ball guns, a training TSF and a panic attack just for him to lose against an ambush.
And even then he painted the opposition for 8 minutes until he ran out of "ammo".

Takeru's skills are based off his special supernatural piloting hax. Other top aces in MLA are masters, but they lack the supernatural element Takeru is gifted with for being the MC and world savior.

>>7242296
Just call him a Newtype and get over with it.

Anyone got the link to the subtitled letter speech?

>>7242274
No seriously, if he had proper weapons and didn't suffer from that panic attack, I HAVE NO DOUBT that he would have raped all the BETA's. Plus with no laser classes around, he probably would have just jumped around raping everything.

>>7242637
But there were laser classes there

>>7242750
Hm? There were? Must have forgotten then..

>>7242274
>panic attack

I couldn't have been the only one to go "oh god, holy shit" at that scene.

Hypnosis, stimulants, traumatic relapse, a tranquilizer, even worse trauma and then a mind numbing truth serum.

They pumped so many damn chemicals into him it's a wonder he didn't blow a blood veseel in his brain.

>>7243415
one of the best scenes
i thought really it would be another
here comes the hero with no combat experience and rapes all the beta
but what followed afterwards with
shell shock, seeing marimo die and then the whole incident with him trying to put her head back together

close to crying during all that

>>7243415
That scene traumatized me.
When I was rereading the first segment of Alternative while marathoning all 3 parts I froze and literally went "I can't do this".

age de gozaimasu

>>7243622
>>7243415
Felt the exact same way too

>>7245809
Thanks for posting awesome pic

>>7245809
What's that yellow hand in Meiya's picture?

Why is she such a bitch to Takeru in Alternative?

>>7247965
Keep reading.

Not bad, Takeru.

Not bad at all.

any synopsis for altered fable or the day after?

>>7249286
TDA:
Alternative V happened, the BETA were not wiped out in Operation Trident or it's equivalent, half the world is sand or whatever, Australia is now land locked. So, there's this group of marines on the Aircraft Carrier, the JFK out in the Pacific near the mass of land surrounding Australia. They're out on patrol one day when they find some girl Lilia or whatever. Also a marine from a unit that was wiped out and the only survivor. She joins the unit of the two marines who found her. So they do some stuff patrol for BETA, fight BETA, you know. Then the JFK along with two other carriers in the area get attack by hordes of BETA. They all die except Lilia who is once again the only survivor.

>>7249301
>Lilia who is once again the only survivor
that's some rotter luck, bitch

Unlimited is the real tragedy. Alternative is merely sad because much of the loss of human life could have been prevented.

>>7249301
that kind of sucks. well the alternative/unlimited worlds are bleak anyway

the biggest disappointment in alternative is that takeru never got to use a takemikazuchi. I hope they let him use one in a side story or something.

>>7249301
is there a summary of the rain dancers thing in chronicles 01? did it have the characters from the 10th anniversary pv or was it different ones?

>>7249477
Assuming it shows up in TDA like that teaser image, it might be him in it, but I highly doubt age will show who the pilot of that Takemikazuchi is unless it's Yuuhi herself piloting an identical machine or something.

>>7249484
I believe Rain Dancers was in one of the versions of the 10th Anniversary PV.
I personally haven't read it yet, just skipped through to see what was going on.
TSF kick always related to Rain Dancers.

>>7249486
what image?

i used the ml- alternative dvd version to install

and i followed the patch instructions

but when i start the game it seems to want to install more stuff or something, but no matter what i do it wont work

any help?

>>7249719
did you try using the patch to install the game?

>>7249719
Try completely reinstalling maybe?

>>7249484
It's really short, it's basically twenty or so minutes of the titular Rain Dancers special squad exchanging banter and killing off BETA in Sicily, then another ten minutes where they stop to sleep inside a church, and the English captain and Italian ace share a cup of autentic coffee while talking about reclaiming their homelands.

>>7251856
Honestly, I imagine age had a lot more planned for Chronicles 01, but had to push it out the door before stuff was ready, so they put in some short stuff and that really weird last segment.

>>7253842
what was the last thing? was it the beta-tan shit or was that the other chronicles?

>>7253940
Yeah, that.
The was very clearly a last minute addition.
Chronicles 02 hasn't even come out yet.

Why do so many of the girls have green eyes? Eyes same color as hair, I get. But random green eyes is just WEIRD.

>>7253948
wasn't there something called chronicles with no number that came out a couple years ago?

>>7253963
That was bundled in with Ayu Mayu Alternative.

>>7253968
what was that?

Just got to this. This is fucking retarded. I thought the brain thing was fucking stupid too. But seriously? This is stupidest thing in the whole game. We already knew BETA were assholes but this is just so lolworthy that you can't even take it seriously.

>>7255285
incoming babbys

So what stories in Chronicles 02 are gonna be the most interesting?

>>7255285

The main illustrator of Age complained that the game didn't have enough ahegao

>>7255297
I'm looking foreword to hearing about the Tsukuyomi (pretty sure that's her) and Royal Guard and the Valkyrie survivors stories.

>>7255297
All we know is that TDA01 in going to be in it so far, nothing else.

>>7255285
At least they let her keep her socks on.

>>7255297
I didn't even know they had announced what was going to be in it. is one of them the tsfia thing from that promo video?

>>7255316
is that going to be a sequel to the aircraft carrier one or something different?

>>7255330
>I didn't even know they had announced what was going to be in it.
They haven't, the site contents are still half undisclosed. So far only TDA chapter 1 is confirmed (it introduces the main characters of the story).

>>7255335
Thread is on autosage. New thread >>>/v/93013398

>>7255566
Why do you try so hard to ruin /jp/?

>>7255675
I just thought we might get a sort of discussion that we weren't able to find here. I guess I was wrong.

>>7255285
oh kid... u mad?
just take this in mind before you rage more, if you are mad because she wasnt loyal to Takeru, stop it, that was more likely to masturbate without stop, the BETA just experiment on her so dont be a baby and take it like it is, Sumika can be still a bitch for all thatt she do to him (you will see later) but she was always loyal to him actually.

>>7255703
I'm not that guy, but do you seriously think that's the only reason to dislike that scene? It felt completely out of place, especially with how they were always going on about how humans were like rocks to the BETA. There are many better ways they could have portrayed a similar experience without resorting to "lol tentacle rape".

>>7255753
well its surely shocking, but what could you expect from a VN? or better, what could you expect from japanese writers? and because we were rocks for the BETA, thats a good excuse for them experimenting on us. and above all (this goes for the guy who was raging) Sumika wasnt the only one being "raped" just take thatin mind too

>>7255753
>It felt completely out of place, especially with how they were always going on about how humans were like rocks to the BETA.

Humans learned about the nervous system by tearing apart mice and stimulating their neurons with electrodes.

That scene was necessary to show Sumika's deep shame and guilt. It also fits with the BETA experimenting on humans. My only problem is it's almost too silly to take seriously, since they set it up as a typical tentacle rape with human deviance and the BETA don't think like humans at all. I think it might have been done that way so fanboys wouldn't chirp "Why is she such a slut?" and certainly I feel a lot better about BETA rape than Shinji on Sakura, but it still broke disbelief.

Takeru helps you along with that scene, though. He obviously doesn't give a shit and thinks Sumika fretting about it is retarded, so he focuses in on stuff like his AU self trying to be a badass but failing.

>>7256173
Yeah, but stimulating with electrodes is not really the same as raping them nonstop, and inflating their breasts and fucking those too. As you said, my issue was with how silly and cheesy the scene itself was, not necessarily with the nature of what was going on.

New thread:
>>7256886
>>7256886
>>7256886