/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Unlike the other daimyos, he tried to change the status quo. This is not appreciated.

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Unless you want to talk about the little loli Nobunaga, go away.

they praise him, he's only a bad guy in vidyagaems and cartoons for rule of cool

>>7238680
He lost the war

>>7238689

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>Can't talk about Japanese history.

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Takeda wants to fight me with his cavalry, the best cavalry Japan ever seen? Fuck this, I didn't buy all these guns for nothing.

His reputation is not mixed, it's just that it's too hard to deem him as either good or bad person. If anything, I'd call his SW depiction the most accurate, as it shows you that he has good intentions, but morally ambiguous methods.

>>7238694
also, nobunaga, while progressive for his time, was said to be rude as fucking hell towards others

"They outnumber us 10 to 1? Fuck that shit, let's go waste them."

Too awesome for Japanese men, makes them feel threatened and insecure so they demonize him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrJmzBEVDnU

He used forbidden magics to ascend to power according to the material I've seen.

>>7238704
He didn't respect people who didn't deserve respecting, but he was courteous and generous to people he respected.

Because he was a giant asshole that would raze entire villages out of spite and fuck with religious ceremonies because he thought they were stupid.

Long story short he was a badass with some serious Napoleonic-esque ambition.

>>7238716
Because they were.

>>7238695
He didn't lose so much as get betrayed by his own subordinates.

>>7238716
>fuck with religious ceremonies because he thought they were stupid.
There were actually grounded political and economic reasons for his destruction of buddhist temples, you're grossly misunderstanding if you really believe he did it because he thought worshipping a smiling indian fatass was stupid.

History is written by the victors, that's why.

>>7238730
His side fucking won though. He just wasn't around to see it.

>>7238733
Yoink!

He was a westerner born into a Japanese body.

>>7238726
And good reasons for fucking with his dad's funeral too, right?

>>7238733
Ieyasu was awesome in this regard. I imagine him sitting nonchalantly drinking tea until everyone else kills each other. And then he assumes command when no one's left to challenge his rule.

Not to mention his life philosophy was pretty much "Don't give much of a shit about anything and you'll be a content man." Truly a master of taking it easy.

JUST A MANLY MAN
DOING MANLY THINGS

>>7238767
He had Tadaktasu Honda, would you mess with him?

>>7238794
Fuck no. First Lu Bu and then him, never fuck around with warriors with silly hats.

>>7238813

I'd pursue that Lu Bu

>>7238813
Wait, do we count Masamune Date in the silly hat team or the AWESOME hat team?

>>7238840
He's a Gundam, so definitely silly hat team. The silly hat team has awesome warriors anyway.

While you're at it, add Sargon the Great in there too. Gilgamesh gets a lot of flak for his solid gold armor, but Sargon actually did have a solid gold helmet, which also featured a seperate compartment for his hair.

Japan's just unoriginal. he was called the demon king, and then in modern times people just made him into a devil or gave him powers from an evil source and people just went with it. People couldn't think of anything else for him because he was a rather unique guy, so they just kept up that depiction of him.

The dude fucking drank the blood of the people he killed, from their own skulls.

Shit's loco man

Probably doesn't help that he was rather tolerant of the Jesuits and other nanban. Getting muskets for allowing some whiteys to build their little temples and preach their little religion was a pretty decent deal for him, though it pissed off a lot of traditionalists and purists.
"Letting the dirty foreigners corrupt the pure Japanese spirit = He's the devil, let's paint him as a horrible demon"

Yeah Nobunaga allowed alot of nanbans teachings and there is also a theory about that Nobunaga was christian.
Question is just if Nobunaga abused the nanbans to get guns, overall knowledge, trade and other equipment and accessories.
Or if he really were christian.

>>7239800
No, he was not a Christian. The real Christian Japanese were in Kyushu. Masamune Date was similar in Nobunaga in his approach to Christians, they both just wanted their knowledge, which included Christian teachings.

since this looks like an appropriate thread to ask in what are some good or essential books on Japanese history? Specifically the Sengoku period and the Meiji Restoration.

>>7239822
Sengoku Rance, Sengoku Basara, Samurai Warriors 2, Rurouni Kenshin are all good history books.

>>7239822

Anything by Stephen Turnbull goes.

>>7239822

Also, Clive Sinclaire is good for specific information about military history and technology. Although he tends to write in a "may be disputed by further research"-disclaimer on every other page.

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