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>>7182657
>I highly, highly, HIGHLY doubt G-bombs are powerful enough to alter the gravity of the moon....

But they're powerful enough to weaken the boundaries between parallel worlds, amirite?

Alright, lets do this.

My anus is ready.

>>7182681
Wait what? Where's that stated?

>>7182687
No it is not. Try out VERY Easy first. Even the second mission can go to the crap hole in a turn or two if you fuck up.

Well, they still don't really know the full scale of the G Bombs, but they fuck with gravity enough that stuff won't grow in an affected area, so if they were to use enough to wipe out the BETA on the moon, I figure the effect might add up to be something significant. I don't know.

>>7182681
They are multi dimensional bombs for a reason...

>>7182688
Did you miss the end?
The G Bombs along with some G Elements were essentially the catalyst for Sumika being able to do what she did. It's why there was so little of the stuff in the Yokohama hive.
Though, that could have been some as of yet unknown G Element, which the bombs provided the energy to activate or something. I don't know get someone to translate the Integral Works segment on G Bombs or something.

>>7182694
This. Don't go into the higher difficulties above that until you get all the commands down. Other wise you will lose very quickly once the Lux BETA appear.
Speaking of Lux, I haven't tested but can other BETA be used as a shield for their lasers?

>>7182713
They won't fire if there's BETA (not sure about Tank) in between you and them. If you fly or jump though, prepare to get your ass shot.
>>7182708
Wait what????? Okay then must have totally missed that part. I remember Sumika being the reason that Takeru constantly looped, but nothing about Element G causing her power.

>>7182731
Spoilers.

>>7182731

The G Bomb caused gravitational anomales which allowed Sumika's will to pull a Shirogane Takeru out of an adjacent parallel world, namely Extra. This was in exchange for G Elements (I'm not sure if the elements were sent to Extra or were consumed as energy for the process). She pulled Takeru from Sumika's Route right after their date, but he lost a lot of memories. Memory information from the other routes were poured into him as a substitute. He then looped inifnitely through parallel versions of Unlimited (hence why it's called Unlimited) until the aggregate information created Alternative Takeru.

Unlimited isn't the same world as Alternative, it's just a very similar one. The only distinguishable difference is Meiya isn't related to the Emperor, but the Shogun.

>>7182731
It was stated that the G-BOMB during the yokohama base retaking operation affected brain Sumika. G-elements are like resources to tap into other parallel worlds.

>>7182754
>Regarding Meiya
They officially retconned that then?
Anyway cap of the ending when some of this is said.

Oh well. My previous point of their being little option OTHER then G-Bombing the moon and Mars still stands.

Was anyone else bothered by how creepy the eyes made this portrait look?

>>7182761
G-Bomb will probably be useless by that time.
By the end of alternative, BETA are already taking humanity seriously and started counter measures.

>>7182764

Okay, how can they counter G-bombs?

>>7182768
Blarg them with their hundreds of thousands/millions/billions of lasers that are most probably on the moon?

>>7182763
I thought yuuko looked kind of scary too in certain pictures

>>7182768
Super ultra galaxy size laser class BETA that can vaporize the gbomb before they even land.

>>7182763
No.
>>7182764
Which is why they took out the original hive on Earth.

>>7182764
Yeah except with the death of the Superior BETA, they can no longer develop strategy. According to Yuuko, which means BETA can no longer learn strategy and will just ZERG RUSH. KEKEKEKEKEKE.

>>7182785
That only applies to the ones on Earth.
The moon and Mars should still be able to, but the moon hasn't had human contact in 30 odd years, so assuming they use a 00 Unit, to acquire info on the Hives on the moon and ascertain which one possesses a Superior, they should be able to strike pretty decisively.
Though, how will they be able to deal with the ODL fluid issue of the 00 unit without the Yokohama hive reactor?
By capturing another hive without somehow damaging the reactor?

>>7182798
More pressing issue. How the hell are you going to get your TSF and other crap and supplies to the moon's surface without getting raped by the millions of LAZER BETA's waiting to rape your ass.

>>7182785
>they can no longer develop strategy
This can only be applied on earth.
Are you insinuating that there is only 1superior beta in the mass of 10^37 BETA?

>>7182804
XM70's and Rutherford fields. I imagine they wouldn't even begin to think about retaking the moon until Rutherford Field equipment and such could be downscaled to fit on a ship or something, and until 4th generation TSFs or whatever are developed.

>>7182798
>reactor
They cannot use the reactor anymore because it is a BETA and using them will only make the BETA harder if you know what I mean.

>>7182820
Yeah, I get that, but it's not like XM70s and 00 Units are integral to eliminating the BETA on Earth at this point, but they sure as hell wouldn't hurt. So I just can't help but wonder how they'll deal with this issue.
Ah well, Yuuko's a genius after all, she'll figure something out.

>>7182810
>>7182798
No I meant the BETA's on Earth. I take the 10^37 as the number of SUPERIOR BETA's.

>>7182687
>first mission
>playing on easy
Pshhhhhhhhhh so easy, only lost 2 guys, piece of cake, dumb beta can't do anything to me

>second mission, laser beta intoduced
"pshhh I'll just go beheind the dstoye..."
PEWPEWPEWPEW
"Omg what I can't I'll move back and ta..."
PEWPEWPEW
"oh god everyone is dying armor take out those tank class"
"no"
...
>end turn
"FUCCCCCCCCCCCCC BETAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"MY FLESH WHY IS IT BEING EATEN"
"PEWPEWPEW"

>>7182820
Because the BETA command chain is entirely dependent on the now-deceased BETA Commanderthere should be no problem with retaking a Hive and using the reactor for ODL purification. The information shouldn't have anywhere to go anymore [on Earth at least] so we can pump out an army of 00 units and not have to worry about data leaks. I don't think that retaking the Moon would be that hard, even without G-bombs. The BETA there haven't learned about our tactics, so we could just orbitally drop a 00 unit, learn the location and schematics of the Original Hive, and then fuck it up with a couple of orbitally-dropped Susano'os.

From the booklet of the OST, it is implied that they are already mass producing the XM70.

>>7182907
Dude you lost TSF's? Not cool. I hope you know that once the training stops, losses are PERMANENT. MEANING YES YOUR LOSSES WILL CARRY OVER. Oh yeah along with your ammo and fuel. Have fun.

This is why you play very easy and still rage. Basically you better damn know strategy or you will get your ass raped.
>>7182910
Dude taking hives back isn't any easier then before. The BETA didn't just turn stupid, they still have all the knowledge. They just can't get anymore. Not to mention most of humanity just chucked the majority of their resources on Alternative 4 meaning they'll be rebuilding for a while.

As for the moon. THEY DON'T NEED STRATEGY WHEN THEY CAN JUST GET A COUPLE THOUSANDS-MILLIONS OF LASERS TO BLARG ON YOUR ASS.

>>7182910

We don't know how far the reactors connect. Best case scenario is no off-world communication. The BETA on Earth are guaranteed to still be capable of anti-human strategy like what they showed against Sadogashima, Yokohama and Kashgar, but they can't adapt anymore without the Superior to give plans. This allows humanity the time to take over the remaining reactors and G Elements on Earth.

However, BETA will return to Earth from the Moon and Mars, so humans will have to take the battle to them. If there is off-world communication, the BETA on Moon and Mars will already be prepared for human tactics.

Even with 00 Units, XG-70 and G Bombs, humanity is at a huge disadvantage if the BETA know their tactics simply because of numbers. The humans will need new tech like reverse engineering Lux-class lasers as weapons to be capable of fighting BETA in space.

Let's not forget that humans don't have advanced starship capabilities either, most of that was devoted to the now aborted Alternative V. Humans retaking Earth is a pretty much guaranteed deal if armies can be rebuild following Operation Cherry Blossom, but surviving beyond that is a lot more uncertain.

>>7182955
Freshly landed hives can probably be taken care of via 1 or 2 G Bombs.

>>7182936
Hey I've figured out most of the controls, but what does this do? I can't read understand it.

>>7182972

Or they could get intercepted, somehow.

>>7182975
That makes you Fly. I don't need to tell you how bad of an idea that is with Luxes around right?

>>7182907
Magnus Lux is greatly moe~

>>7183044
>Magnus Lux
>Moe
You seem to have tacked on an extra word there Anon. We all know the only moe BETA is Lux.
Anyone have the Yandere BETA imouto Nicovideo link?

>>7183032
Let us all remember the brave eishi that passed away while his CO was fiddling around with the TSF interface in a language she isn't the best at.

>>7183056

>>7183044
>>7183049
Magnus = great (Latin)
Lame, I know

>>7183056
Thank you good sir for making me laugh.
Here have a win. or internets.

Though it can't be more than me. I can't count how many times I've mixed up the restart mission and end turn buttons by now. Yes I know fail.

>>7183101

>win
>internets

I'd hate to blame MLA for bringing in undesirables but it really looks like that is the case. Just like with every other new translated VN.

>>7183056

I laughed

Then I feel bad

Should i read the 1st muvluv or i can start with MLA?

>>7183107
Me? Fine sorry for retarded meme use.

It would be nice to see an expansion of the Alt verse, but that probably isn't going to happen.

I could imagine building some mechs out of g metal and having some alternative III girl pilots from America piloting them, ala total eclipse

>>7183120
The Age 10th anniversary PV makes it pretty clear they intend to make post Alternative stories as a part of Alternative Chronicles. They just haven't made them yet.

>>7183115
Not playing the 1st muv luv is the same thing as not playing the prologue of a game.
Extra isnt that bad. It is probably at the same quality of shuffle. Unlimited is great though, probably better than tons of other shit out there. I dont think I need to say anything about Alternative. Just play it for yourself.

Id advice reading everything in order, unless you want to butcher your own experience

>>7183142
>>7183163
ok i will do that then, than you kind anons.

>>7183049
This one?
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5018765

>>7182768
Considering the "last boss" BETA dude was able to pierce right through the gravity shield thing at first, and managed to shield itself for a brief moment when shot with the charged particle cannon, I think they had enough gravity manipulation abilities of their own to manage something eventually.

>>7183196
Yes. Thanks.
Lux, so moe~

>>7183142
Yeah, this. It's not even necessarily that you miss information, but more that playing Extra and Unlimited really gets you in the right frame of mind to properly enjoy Alternative. You can still understand everything just fine if you skip to Alternative, but some parts would be robbed of their impact. It would be kind of like skipping to Coco's route in Ever17.

>>7182768
Not to mention there's also probably a shit ton more types of BETA's out there.

I mean seriously only what 10 types out of the trillions upon trillions upon trillions..... etc. of BETA"s out there?

>>7183196
Oh my.

>>7183098
but lux is feminine so it should be magna lux

>>7183237
imagine being some retarded species like a door beta

>>7183304
Blame age for giving that name to the heavy laser-class.

>>7183304
Technically it's a barrier BETA. That is actually pretty damn good at what it does......

I always feel so empty after waiting so long in anticipation of these things, and then finishing them in a few days...

>>7183351
Despite having been waiting since 2008 to read Alternative, I'm oddly content after finishing it.
Normally I'd be feeling empty, but not now.

>>7183351
I know that feel.
Demonbane and Yuno cant come out soon enough.
I am also considering reading stein gate with translation aggregrator and a dictionary before the anime ruins it completely. But the scientific mumbo jumbo scares me.

Am I the only person who managed to not get spoiled on Marimo's death beforehand? Seems like most people were, but it was a genuine shock to me.

>>7183464
I didn't. I remember glancing through that pic before but I have no idea who and where it is supposed to be.

The scene was just too sudden for me to even know what was going on. I mean for her to just suddenly died after cheering Takeru up was just too shocking. And the next thing that happened was Takeru getting drugged in the hospital bed. Marimo death only sink in for me after Takeru went to his room and try to rape Meiya.

>>7183464
I was spoiled, but when I was I didn't even read extra yet, so even though I knew it was going to happen, I didn't really remember how...interesting it was.

>>7183464

I knew that it happened, but not when/where it happened. I was honestly expecting the main cast + Marimo to get ripped from their TSFs and gang/tentacle raped by BETA in front of Takeru and somehow MLA managed to not be that terrible, but getting hit with that early was still pretty awful.

Chapter 7 was slit-wrist cringeworthy. It was wonderful for character development, but holy fuck was it depressing and horrifying.

>>7183142

Quality is better than Shuffle because of better characters. Takeru is a faggot in all Extra routes but that is by design, the whole premise of Muv-Luv is generic dense H game protagonist gets thrown in a different genre and realizes he has to become a badass motherfucking gar mass to return back and claim his girlfriend.

>Meiya wants the man she loves to never forget her as Mitsurugi Meiya in her final breaths
>Takeru stops existing in the BETA world and forgets
I hate you ever so much age, it is like you do it on purpose. Am I the only one who disliked Meiya during Extra, thought she was pretty good in Unlimited then loved her in Alternative?

>>7183464
People have been posting it on here, pre-split /a/, and /m/ for years. I got spoiled for Marimo's incident before I even knew what Muv-Luv was.

>>7183631
>who disliked Meiya during Extra, thought she was pretty good in Unlimited then loved her in Alternative?
I think you meant Sumika. I really cant hate Sumika anymore after Yuuko exposed her diaries.
Meiya was lovable in all 3 and seeing her getting friendzoned and listening to Takeru/Sumika lovey dovey conversation was pretty ;_; worthy.

>>7183640
I liked Sumika in Extra a lot after she was developed a little more and it was heart breaking to pick any heroine over her. Sumika in Alternative was fantastic as well journals and the whole never stop thinking about Takeru and all the other things Kasumi revealed at the end had incredible emotional impact.

>friendzoned and listening to Takeru/Sumika lovey dovey conversation was pretty ;_; worthy.
As one anon said "you can actually see her heart breaking" during that scene, throughout the game she is friendzoned hard. I can't even imagine what it must have been like when Takeru was screaming about Sumika during the attempted rape

>>7183640

You couldn't hate Sumika in Extra if you pay attention, either. Her idiot personality is her way of trying to make herself unique, because there are so many other girls competing for Takeru and she's inferior to all of them, and Takeru himself. She's completely aware the only thing she had going for Takeru was being his childhood friend, and even Meiya took that away from her.

Her end in Extra is glorious because of the utter joy you bring to her when picking her. There really is no good reason to pick Sumika once you learn Meiya's past, but Takeru picked her anyway. It's like her dream coming true.

The diaries are just to emphasize that Sumika loves Takeru almost unconditionally, always. No matter what he's been through, no matter where he is, she'll always love him forever because as far as she's concerned, a world she lives in but doesn't have Takeru can't exist. And even if he stops existing, she'll just bring him back.

When I first played Extra, I thought Sumika only saw Takeru as a childhood friend and was forced to try and take him as a man just so she wouldn't lose him to Meiya. When in fact, she's loved him romantically ever since they were children. Definitely raised my opinion of her a few pegs.

＞I thought Sumika only saw Takeru as a childhood friend

You'd make a good h-game protag.

>>7183697

I had a hard time buying it because they've been togehter so long you'd expect them to have a brother-sister relationship (lol Sumika is older than Takeru) and from their behavior the day before Meiya arrives it seems that way, pretty worry free. Sumika expected they'd hold that relationship up through Hakuryou University.

The purpose of Sumika Extra Route is to prove to the player Sumika is seriously in love with Takeru, and he should do something about it because his obliviousness toward growing up is hurting everyone.

>>7183738
Well, Sumika also had to get to the point that she was able to forgive him for telling on her for breaking that ammonite fossil. That was really the main reason their relationship never progressed before that point.

>>7183765

Wait, what? Did she actually tell him she's still pissed about that in Extra? I thought after Takeru got beaten by the teacher she'd have let it slide.

>>7183815
She loves Takeru more after incident if you read the diaries in Alternative.
Considering how stupid Sumika is it is a miracle that she even got into Hakuryou. With love you can do anything with that stupid brain of hers.
Takeru is definitely the densest of the all age MC. Even more so compare to Bakayuki.

>>7183837
When I heard he died in the Alternative universe I actually vocalized a "fuck yeah", such a douche.
Donkan protagonist are ok for the first half hour then it gets really old after a while.

Where can I find first partial patch?

>>7183884
Assuming the mediafire link is the same as the one posted when the patch first leaked, it should be included. The first partial is that installer, then you overwrite a file in the installation folder with the one included to make it a full patch

>>7183837
From some forum 4 years ago

>The King of ヘタレ was mentioned by Mitsuki & Haruka in their island events, yup. They even compared how Shirogane is rather similar to Takayuki... The two of them, of all people, said it, so it must be pretty true? lol

>Mitsuki put it as "Take Takayuki, half the 'Mild'-part, multiple the indecisive-part, and you get Shirogane...Wait, you can't really have a harem while being indecisive, huh? Hm..."

>lolw

>mission 1
easy
>mission 2
ok, can't jump, easy
>mission 3
stupid easy
>mission 4
What the fuck. Really? fuck.

>>7183884
In case the game crashes at points, use the installer in this patch:
http://www.mediafire.com/?yjxcggj8gsdq54x

The Jouisonzai (lit., Super Existence, not "Superior" as you people call it, maybe from a bad translation) was just the brains of the operation; it did things like handle strategy, setup special ops (actions to prevent serious accidents) and performed "investigations" (gang tentacle rape, brain pickling). It's an AI controller of a resource-collection system, not a supreme commander of an alien space army.

By taking out the Jouisonzai, humanity now has a real chance of re-taking the planet before it's completely wiped out from resource collection. Taking on each Hive is still a brutally difficult task, but possible without facing a crushing retaliation in response.

If the Jouisonzai had survived (or if it shares data with others in Sol), it probably would have engineered a solution for G-Bombs. But maybe not; as mentioned above, it's just a CPU for an automated mining system. Tentacle rape and jarring brains may have been the limit of it's science abilities.

>>7183929
Well, they could always just build a bunch more of those Susano'o things, since the BETA would be unable to develop a countermeasure now. Also, unless I misunderstood, I don't think they really even need a 00 unit to make them work. Just a sufficiently powerful computer to handle the calculations to make the gravity drives work right. So they could just use the quantum computer technology without actually bothering to make a full 00 unit for each.

>>7183905
Mission 1: Easy!
Mission 2: Jump...
>feelsbad.jpg

>>7183631
I liked sumika at first since I always feel sympathy for the childhood friend always losing in harem animus, but once I figured out the plot twist in extra I switched to meiya. her development in the other games only made me like her more. I had read the game had ntr but I never thought it would be that way. at least she got to confess before dying

>>7183685
I don't really dislike her so much as I like her a lot less than the other characters. the diary scene was pretty much her only good moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKulkV09r6E
why do I not remember this song? the scene is when they're in the university powerplant right?

Wow, it was pretty much a perfect experience.
Never felt that way with a VN before.

>>7184504
Yes. The scene where Takeru is going back to BETA world.
You are probably too engrossed after seeing Marimo dying twice to care about the bgm.

>>7184538
there are a bunch of things I didn't like about it, but the overall experience was amazing. I'm probably going to feel depressed for the rest of the week now that it's over.

Personally, I disagree with the modern system of acronym creation. I feel that words not normally abbreviated(such as articles) should be taken into account in the acronym using lower-case letters.

It's virtually ubiquitous as a colloquial method of abbreviation and so rampant on the internet it had might as well be made official. It makes more sense to incorporate into the system anyways, for a number of reasons including but not limited to the fact that it generally does not result in increased acronym letter length and that it makes interpretation easier.

Can't wait for Chronicles 02 to come out.

>>7184669
Well, pre-orders for it go up in 4 days, and apparently it's to be released early summer.

>>7184669
We can finally fuck BETA now?
I am ok with this.

>>7184794
That's from Chronicles 1, it has been out for months already. Also, it has futanari scenes and other shit I remember being vaguely unsettled by.

>>7184794
Banging BETA-tan was pretty hot, even though I'm not into monster-tits. Age uses sound-effects that I believe are important in H scenes, and so few games use it.

>>7184794
You must 1st read the list and see if you can handle it.

Was there foreplay?
Yes - Next question
No - Devoured

Was the intercourse longer than 30 minutes?
Yes - Next question
No - Devoured

Was there any kinky and/or wild moments to enhance the experience?
Yes - Next question
No - Devoured

Did BETA-Tan succumb first due to exhaustion?
Yes - Next question
No - Devoured (or depending, maybe held off... This time)

Did the partner in question make BETA-Tan beg?
Yes - Next question
No - Devoured (or postponed... This time)

Did the partner in question show that they he (or she) was superior to BETA-Tan?
Yes - Not likely to ever get Devoured.
No - OM NOM on hold; simply because you managed to mostly keep up.

Bonus:
If BETA-Tan wanted to have aggressive intercourse nearly every night, would you be able to handle it?
Yes - Congratulations. You'll not likely be Devoured. Ever.
No - Too bad. You'll eventually get Devoured if you skip one too many nights, or if you just can't give her what she wants on any particular night.

>>7184814
lol so randum xD

>>7184805
>>7184799
Isn't chronicles some sort of prequel about marimo's squad and Isumi BETA capturing operation?
How come we didnt see BETA-tan in alternative?

>>7184830
There's a bit of confusion here, "Muv-Luv Alternative Chronicles" was first the name of the other half of the AyuMayu Alternative fandisc. It contains "Atonement" (Marimo's backstory) and "Succession" (Michiru's siblings in the aftermath of the Sadogashima Hive battle)

The name got reused for Chronicles 01 (contains TDA 00, Chicken Divers, Rain Dancers and BETA-tan, which is more of a joke omake than anything else) and the subsequent installments.

>>7184830
Chronicles 01 has more than one story. The main one picks up after the world is G-bombed to shit after Umlimited. Then there's a couple short stories about special ops squadrons (Chicken Divers deals with orbital drops, it really shows how the one in Alternative could have gone so wrong; Rain Dancers is about an european squad fighting in Sicily), and BETA-tan porn story.

uh, I'm sorry to ask, but what is this thing? seems pretty cooal.

>>7184859
Read >>7182666 or just lurk morel.

>>7184866
tanks. you're very kynd!

When I first read this years ago I thought the coup de'tat arch was silly -- Japan was teetering on the edge of being overrun by BETA, and these fuckwits start a nationalist uprising. it wasn't until I read it again last year did I feel the message. It was Tsuyomi's scene that did it for me -- she was like "What if we could surrender to the BETA, and Japan had to follow the rules of the BETA from then on? Is that really surviving?" And you know -- it's not. Having one's culture and society die, having one's freedom destroyed is the same as death -- you're just a corpse then existing for a short while until your body stops functioning. There is more to human life than just being alive.

>>7184892
Humanity is retarded.
You also have the Alternative4 and Alternaive5 faction fighting against each other.
It is miracle that they werent wipe out thanks to Yuuko and Takeru.

>>7182763
No, because deep down you know she's really kind and nice and wants everyone to be happy and she's just such a good girl oh god

>>7182763
It was kind of strange, but I think that it achieved that elusive creepy/cute status, so I was cool with it. I would, however, like to know what the deal is, though.

>>7184892
I interpreted that arc in a weirder way. Like how there's no point of humanity's victory if we can't do it with heads held high. Humanity will die and become like the BETA or animals if it loses what makes it "humane".
Even at the time of such calamity, there are cases when the end doesn't justify the means, because it'd otherwise lose its meaning.

>>7184934
>I would, however, like to know what the deal is, though.
She's a result of esp research and shit, I guess when she interfaces with a Senjutsuki something activates in her body? Inia is weird like that as well.

>>7182763
I find the thumbnail of this picture equally creepy.

>>7184838
>"Muv-Luv Alternative Chronicles" was first the name of the other half of the AyuMayu Alternative fandisc. It contains "Atonement" (Marimo's backstory)
Shit, I love Marimo
Is there a summary somewhere?

>>7185039
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QG6-LpXRC8
It's nothing new, she tells you about it in Alternative so you know what happens.

>>7185047
Anyone knows what was the deal with Arai in that sidestory? I sort of get that at first he got something against women, but he later explains the cause for that attitude right before Blade Company gets omnomnomed

I sort of liked the part when he acknowledges Marimo post-Combat Exam by insisting on calling him a man.

>>7185039
Marimo herself summarizes what happened (except for the training and Combat Exam parts) during pep talk to Takeru in Chapter 7. It reveals several things, though:
1. Marimo's former squad leader (and possibly crush) pushed her away from the line of fire of a Magnus Lux and got burned to a crisp in the process, pic related.
2. Marimo was originally a second lieutenant, not a sergeant.

>>7185097
Well they do say that all Eishi graduates are automatically 2nd lieutenants, so I'd assumed she'd been demoted at some point. (Though I considered that might have just been an A-01 thing, so wasn't completely sure I guess.)

>>7185099
It is like Starship Troopers, I guess; there Rico (a sergeant in the Mobile Infantry) held the rank of private while on the Officer Training Course, but told his corpse would return to the Roughnecks with his old rank, just in case he bought the farm.

Marimo did mention that she was part of an Imperial Army Instructional Unit (probably the Fuji one? might explain her reaction when that unit defected to the coup d'etat forces) so I guess she was assigned the sergeant rank while on secondment to the UN.

Are there any routes in it? I have played it one time, with focus on meiya, but i didn't even got an option in the menu to look at already seen CGs, even though i got the ending scroll. Did i miss something or do they didn't bother to implement anything just to bring fast closure to takerus story? If that's the case, why do we even have so much options to choose anyway? And where can we view the CGs?

>>7185388
only place to view CGs is
>>>/rs/

Sadly.

Or you can download the all ages version.

>>7185388
Choosing other heroines than Meiya at the choices makes you receive Letters from the other characters.
Don't know much about that though, but I imagine it happens after the attack on Kashgar.

>>7185395
the production value of muvluv seemed pretty high, so it's disappointing to learn they didn't even bother to implement a cg room.

>>7185401
well, that's shit. i hoped to have possible alternate endings like in almost every vn before but giving the context of the story it seems reasonable.

>>7185410
>so it's disappointing to learn they didn't even bother to implement a cg room.
It would have been humongously big.

>>7185412
Well it's not like it's really that much more difficult to implement it just because there are more CGs. Or at least from what little I know of programming and whatnot I'd assume it wouldn't be.

>>7185427
Downlaoding a rip is easier than going though tens of CG pages, I mean it.
But they should have added music and video mode.

>>7185427
We have to bear in mind that Alt had been supposed to come out with Extra and Unlimited but got delayed several times for three years.

I guess age just wanted to get the vn out as soon as they can, what with the fans chanting "oruta mada~?" for years (as we would have been too had the patch not been leaked).

>>7185439
Those would have been nice.
What exactly did they add in the Standard Edition system wise aside from a Chapter Select function?

>>7185410
>so it's disappointing to learn they didn't even bother to implement a cg room.
We obviously have no way of knowing the truth, but I think it was on purpose. Reviewing CGs is, in a way, "disassembling" the game, you cut it into the pictures and the scenes and look at them with a "cold" mindset since you already played through it. Denying the possibility of doing that leaves a stronger impression on the game cohesiveness and the emotional rollercoaster that grips you and doesn't let go.

>>7185451
1. They fixed the read system for Unlimited's savefiles (the 18+ version was supposed to do this but I guess they were in a hurry; the translation patch autoenables everything by default).
2. More voice acting for Takeru (see vid):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_NIIhMu4qM
3. New OP by JAM Project (NAME ~Kimi no Namae wa~).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx3VO_kr6lk
The old OP was used as an insert song, though I read somewhere that it alternates with the new one as OP.
4. Some more videos, like this one during the Original Hive assault using Asu e no Houkou as insert song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-_BXUntIac

Also /r/ing a higher-res vid for the last one if anyone has it.

>>7185495
In that one video it sounds like Souichirou Hoshi must have had a sore throat or whatever when they were recording as he just sounds off.

>>7185495
Forgot to mention, I think there's music mode in the all-ages release as well.

>>7185538

His voice kind of varied in quality throughout it. When I first heard Hoshi in Unlimited, I compared it to his Ever17 performance and thought it was shit. But he got cast in Gundam SEED and GSD not long after that, so by the time he got back to Alternative, he was able to portray Alt Takeru and Extra Takeru differently based on his experience as Kira.

>>7185119

Marimo was a 2nd Lieutenaunt in the Imperial Army, but when she was traded to the UN she was demoted to Sergeant. That wasn't a bad thing because it allowed her to be an instructor with actual pro TSF experience (remember TSF pilots were so badly needed, if you could pilot you were conscripted) for the Alternative Plan candidates. Marimo and Yuuko are a big reason A 01 was full of elites before Takeru and his XM3 came along, it's the closest thing the UN has to Imperial Japan's Fuji Institute.

>>7185579
No, there isn't. You're mostly right about everything else though.

Moe~

Asked before but no one knew.

Has anyone played the all ages version of MLA? I'm curious how it handles Sumika rejecting Takeru because of the rape. Despite how ridiculous it is, it seemed like a pretty major plot point.

>>7186085
Actually, that scene made me kind of wish I WAS playing the all-ages version, because damn near anything else they could have come up with wouldn't have ruined that scene as badly as that did.

>>7186092
ruined? It worked perfectly, it showed you the horror Sumika went through and the nastiness of the BETA

>>7186097
Yeah, but it was just so difficult to believe that the BETA would do a thing like that. I mean, before this they stress time and time again that the BETA basically see humans as the equivalent of rocks or something, and then suddenly tentacle rape out of fucking nowhere. It just seemed a little bit forced to me.

>>7186092

Why? Because of the rape itself, or just the scene? I thought the scene was pretty stupid but the fact she was raped seemed pretty powerful. Considering Sumika's personaity, it would require something like that for her to reject Takeru. Afterall, Takeru himself was very guilty about the idea that he'd cheated on Sumika with his squad in prior loops.

Don't forget that if you weren't the only one surprised. Yuuko gave a pretty funny "lol wut" when Takeru told her.

>>7186103

That age made it campy tentacle rape sort of ruined it. I mean the whole inflating Sumika's breasts so they'd be more sensitive...that's pretty cheesy, even for BETA.

I could have imagined the BETA violating her to pull out her organs and stuff, causing her immense pain while stimulating her pleasure sense so she wouldn't go insane and die of exhaustion. You'd keep the sense of guilt and filth, but lose the silliness.

>>7186108
Well I just had a hard time believing that the BETA would actually do such a thing. Yeah, they kind of sort of give an explanation for it, but it just felt a little bit forced.

Takeru's attitude toward it was pretty GAR. He was more concerned with how badass his AU self was rather than shocked at what happened. I guess Sumika didn't understand him as well as she thought she did, or maybe Alternative Takeru was so unconditionally accepting of her even she couldn't believe it.

>>7186115
>>7186116
They were experimenting with human anatomy, it doesn't feel that forced. Think about a child tearing apart and insect and playing games with it.
Sure, they probably picked some established porn fetish, but that was to be sure you would feel the disgust you're supposed to feel at Sumika, otherwise the following pure love development feels weaker.

>>7186137

So, you're saying the reason we find it hot is because age intended it that way so Takeru's undying devotion wouldn't come across as emotionally unrealistic?

I'm surprisingly ok with that.

I will admit I felt like an asshole, but I didn't have a hard time getting through either of Sumika's Alternative H scenes. And the second one was just olev.

>>7186207

I didn't really like either of them. The first was kind of tragic and shocking, the second felt sad since it was basically a reaction to the first.

I got the impression that its supposed to be love & understanding overcoming ecstasy and guilt, but the sex scene happening right after the rape kind of dulled the impact for me. I guess Sumika being my favorite character didn't help. Nor did Takeru's giant eyebrows.

plothole

>>7186239
I don't think you're supposed to like them. They fulfill narrative roles which aren't your usual "oh god this scene is hot fap fap", and judging by your impressions, they worked their part.

>>7183056

I'm disappointed that Takeru never told Yuukothat they fucked in one of his loops. I wanted to see her reaction.

>>7186239

If you completely ignore the details of the tentacle rape the proper H scene with Sumika came out really sweet. I won't lie, I fucking hated most of the H in Muv-Luv (it's the same unbearable, awkward shit I see in every other eroge) but I loved that final scene with Sumika. As >>7186287 says it's the culmination of three narratives worth of buildup and was the purest love. Detail wise it's not much different from the first H scene they had in Extra, but better music + all that emotional weight really made a huge difference in my attitude toward it. Normally when I read H I feel some envy because the protagonist is shitty and things are awkward, but he's fucking hot girls anyway. Yet, I couldn't have been prouder of Takeru than if I was his Dad, and the scene rolled out of the gate with confidence.

It was also pretty funny in certain parts. "Sumika's quantum brain can't process the sensory information she's never experienced before" lulz.

>>7186330

You really think Yuuko didn't take notice of Takeru screaming EH-?!?!! during that convo?

>>7186334
She probably realized but its not as fun as an outright confession.

>>7186330
>kasumi's face when she reads that image in his mind

>>7186351
Now with more moe

>>7186249
You lost me.

>>7186466
It's never explained why everyone else thinks that stuff tastes so good, when Takeru thinks it's nasty.

That, and the ammonite fossil are probably the two biggest plotholes in Muv-Luv.

>>7186478
Its explained in Chronicles that the fossil was actually a fossilized species of BETA, and by breaking it Sumika stopped the invasion. That's why that scene is repeated so often, though I'm not sure why they never bothered to actually explain it until then.

>>7186484
It's not good to lie, Anon.

>>7186493
But I wasn't lying... Read it yourself if you don't believe me.

>>7186496
I have and I don't recall a scene like that in TDA, CD, RD, Atonement, and that other one.

>>7186500
Well it's only briefly mentioned in one scene, that the BETA came to Earth because a billion-year-old beacon BETA had been transmitting all that time. It's also implied that all life on Earth was descended from this BETA, a fact that Last Boss Beta in MLA also hinted at. "Can you prove to me that humanity is a naturally occurring life form" or something like that.

They don't actually come out and say that it was the same fossil Sumika broke but given the context it's pretty easy to infer that it was.

>>7186478
How is this a plot hole?

Really now? Beacon transmitter? Their first landing point is China you know.

>>7186524
Yes, the first landing point of the miner BETA. But obviously they probed the planet beforehand, otherwise how could they so confidently make the claim that they only chose the planet after discovering it had no life on it? (Life had not evolved from the beacon BETA yet at the time that the probe BETA stopped transmitting.)

>>7186516
>>7186530
So, which part exactly is this mentioned now?
Be specific.

>>7186537
I don't remember. It was in the middle of a pretty long info-dump.

>>7186539
You'll have to do better than that, Anon.

>>7186530
They do not see carbon based creatures as a lifeform.
It was a believable lie though.

>>7186484
>>7186516
>>7186530

Lol'd, you guys are retarded

>>7186239

Stupid sexy Takeru.

Highest reason for humans not being alive: BETA are prohibited from operating on planets with life.

>>7186484
At least think of something believable if you're going to try. The BETA's showed up DECADES before Takeru and Sumika were even born.......

Maybe some of you guys are being confused with bad translations. I never read the translated version so I don't know what it says but here I go:

The Jouisonzai never said that humans weren't alive, but it did make a distinction between "seimetai" (life-form) and an artificial life-form. It based this distinction on what it believed to be a scientific fact of the impossibility of carbon-based lifeforms on developing into life on its own. The Jouisonzai said that it considered humanity as an artificial lifeform system from another star and resources to be recycled. However, the case was not closed; it was still trying to figure out humanity.

>>7186677
>Maybe some of you guys are being confused with bad translations.

Seems very likely since the 2nd half of Alternative wasn't (and won't be) TLCed.

>>7185961
> Implying there are moe BETA other than Lux
>>7183196

http://exhentai.org/g/352318/4b68629702/
http://www.mediafire.com/?jh1eh7edclcx5p2

Part two in...

...maybe tomorrow.

>>7186724
I think the only things that they are changing is Rutherford and Linear Cannon.

>>7187018
Which is disappointing since the first half reads much better than the second half.

>>7187018
what was the problem with linear cannon?

>>7187117
>"penultimate" sounded cooler than "final linear"
>-Ixrec

Guess what is it called in the XG70 image? Linear Cannon.

>>7187123
those words don't even mean the same thing

>>7187124
Not every translation has to be 100% literal.

>>7187180
Guess you don't know what penultimate means.

The quality of ixrec's translations has been known for some time now. I don't know why people are bringing it up for MLA.

>>7187202
Yeah, you're right. I can't be expected to keep going on about how great his translations are EVERY time he releases a new one. It's just kind of understood by now.

>>7187180
Are you the real Ixrec?
Tell us who leaked the patch?

>>7187202
Yeah, you're right. I can't be expected to keep going on about how great his translations are EVERY time he releases a new one. It's just kind of understood by now.

>>7187207
>ixrec
>great translations

>>7187180
>>7187208
>>7187210
Nice try fake-kun. What a way to fail. Cant even dropped your trip properly?

who's still traumatized by the Marimo scene, and maybe the Tama scene

>>7187273
Meh Tama scene was worse for me... It was like ZOMG YOU SON OF A BITCH! While Marimo was more of WOAH WTF?

>>7184892
I figured it was just japan being passive agressive again like how it's mentioned they didn't get nuked in ww2.

>>7187273
Marimo, definitely.
Tama not so much.

>>7187273
I was caught up in the scene so I missed what it said about tama. did the boss beta say that she was going to be converted into a soldier, or that the soldiers had brought her in?

>>7187311
The former.

>>7187273
Marimo.
Tama not so much.
By that time, Tama is already dead. It is not like she was raped like Sumika so the impact is not there since there are worst and horrible shit out there.

Marimo scene just happened out of nowhere leaving you WTF and just downright angry. Imagine having a mellow scene and happy scene cheering up your student and then next thing you know you are dead.

>>7187314
does that mean the beta are made out of people? that seems like a pretty big point to be mentioned once in passing

>>7187346
Not so much that as they can recycle the raw materials to make more BETA.

>>7187346
It's assumed that Soldiers are made of humans, but unsure of the other BETA types as it isn't stated.

The meat-grinder incident hurt a hell of a lot more than CHOMP. I thought going back to the other universe was a chance to properly mourn... I mean, I felt real closure after that dinner, man.

>>7187346
>>7187351
>>7187352
Humans have carbon and BETA are made from carbon.

>>7187356
Yeah, same here. I figured he was gonna man up and go back to the other world, after getting a pep talk from Marimo, and then that happens. Probably shocked me even more than the initial one.

>>7187366
This.
I knew it was coming, and I knew exactly when the first was coming but after him talking to her and I forgot about the second and then suddenly that info.
I was stunned.

I was pretty stressed out over who was going to die, but after I realized everyone was going to die tomino-style I stopped worrying as much.

>>7187352
Apparently the red tank class as well.

>>7187402
After the accident with Sumika in the Extra world I stopped thinking there was anything but bad ends. Worked until Meiya's end and her confession, which made me cry like a woman

>>7187371
The fucking terror you felt during all the frantic yells of "Takeru-chan" when he woke up

>>7187402

With the setups so clearly defined, I stopped caring about who died and focused on who survived. That was really where most of the surprise was.

Tsukyomi is unkillable, for one. She shrugged off death flags before both Sadogashima and Yokohama, and didn't even pilot at the end there. Holy shit, what an iron woman.

Akane surviving was a big surprise, as was Kazama and Touko. age must really love Akane must have fans among age's staff becaue she's been around since KimiNozo but didn't get the chop in Alternative...which is fucking amazing given MLA is a slaughterhouse for good characters.

>>7187273

Tama pissed me off because BETA Superior was acting like an ass.

Oh yeah? "Humanity" is a naturally evolved form of life? Why don't you prove it? Here, you can use this soon-to-be-recycled Soldier class right here. Can't, huh? BITCH.

>>7187556
Fuck, yes. Just hearing her voice was enough to fill me with dread. I knew about Alternative Marimo's death, but I had no idea that she would get it again in the branch world.

>>7187647
Yeah, that surprised me, but beyond the minor shock value of seeing her like that, it didn't really bother me so much. None of the deaths in the original hive bothered me that much, simply because they were so predictable, same for pretty much all the people who died in missions, besides maybe Meiya (obvious she was going to die, but still her death scene seemed more sad than the others) and Isumi (simply because I liked her as a character)

>>7187674
> but still her death scene seemed more sad than the others
It did to me do to her spilling her guts out (metaphorically) and Takeru's hesitation.
MLA was so damn unfair to Meiya at every turn.

Might I ask what the relationship between Muv-Luv and Muv-Luv Alternative is? Since Muv-Luv was the original, was it not? And remains untranslated? Would this affect one's reading?

>>7187752
Muv-Luv was translated before Alternative was, by the same guy. Basically, Muv-Luv Extra is kind of a parody of your typical school-life romance deal. Unlimited takes the same characters and drops them into a new setting, and basically serves as an intro for Alternative. (It's pretty disappointing on its own, but if you only think of it as an intro it's alright I guess.) I strongly recommend you read both before starting Alternative.

>>7187752
Muv-Luv and Muv-Luv Alternative are related as MLA is a direct sequel. Both are translated at the moment and yes Muv-Luv is essential for reading MLA.

>>7187764
All translated? So I should read them before I start this? Well thank you for the candid and helpful response, here of all places.

>>7187764
Also, if you plan on reading Alternative or any of the Muv-Luv saga (well, I can't really imagine someone saying "I want to read Muv-Luv Unlimited and TO HELL with Alternative" but whatever) I strongly recommend you get out of this thread, and /jp/, as soon as possible, until you are finished. You WILL get spoiled otherwise.

>>7187774
Yes. At least make sure to read the Sumika and Meiya routes of Extra, and the Meiya route of Unlimited. The rest are optional. The joke routes (Marimo in Extra, Yuuko in Unlimited) are kind of interesting but people say all the other ones are complete shit and can be skipped.

>>7187776
>>7187783
I'm heading out now. I just popped in to ask and you've been very helpful. You have my thanks.

I was pretty blown away by that post-hypnotic trigger speech.

>>7187692
feels terrible man

>>7188018
;_;

so is this an accurate representation of the the universe hopping shit?

>>7188101
You need a little more than two labels for that to represent anything.

>>7188101
...

After staring at it for like two whole minutes I guess I can KIND of get what you were aiming at, but jesus christ, what is it with /jp/ VN threads and shitty confusing attempts at graphics like that?

Well, if I'm interpreting it correctly, that's more or less correct I guess, besides that the line connecting the end of the orange line to the first part of purple/pink should probably come from all the top branches, since Unlimited/Alternative Takeru is basically a combination of all other Takerus.

Speaking of which, something I didn't understand myself about all that... If Takeru in Unlimited/Alternative is a combination of every Takeru that failed to hook up with Sumika, then why does he have memories of doing so? He clearly remembers that hot spring scene (did that also happen in Meiya's route? I don't remember now) as well as the beginning of fucking her, when he goes back to Extra-world, and wasn't that kind of the whole reason he decided to go after Sumika in the first place?

>>7188107
Not really, if you've read all of Alternative. I figured it out pretty easily (unless I'm wrong, of course).
Assuming I'm correct, its:
Orange is Extra, with the top branches beomg the various heroine routes, the first bottom branch being the universe Takeru goes back and forth from (and fucks up), and the second bottom branch being the universe Takeru goes to at the end of Alternative
Dark gray line is Takeru going back and forth from the universe that he fucks up
Light gray line is Takeru going to the final universe at the end of Alternative
Blue is the Unlimited world
Purple is the Alternative world
Solid black line is Takeru going from the Extra universe to the Unlimited universe
Broken black line is Takeru going from the end of Unlimited to the Alternative universe

>>7188130
the takeru that gets dumped into unlimited was specifically the one from the sumika ending. some memories were lost in the transition so the gaps were filled in with stuff from the non-sumika extra routes.

>>7188107
shit I thought the colors would be obvious

This isn't so hard once you know what you're doing
(Easy map 12)

>>7188153
Ah, that makes sense I guess.

Also, it's not so much the colors, but just the big tangle of lines that takes a minute to really make sense of.

>>7188159
>2 Takemikazuchi units
Wtf map is this, I want it

so when meyia gave takeru her takemikazuchi at the end of unlimited did she realize he couldn't use it because they weren't related?

>>7188262
>weren't related
He is fucking the shogun's sister. How is that not related?

>>7188266
how would he be on the list of approved pilots though?

>>7188286
If they can dig up records that yuuko tried to hide...well, fucking meiya and getting her pregnant ain't exactly subtle.

>>7188286
They were a couple for over 2 years. Meiya even set up Takeru to go with the Immigration Fleet.
Adding his name to the acceptable pilot list would have been easy.

>>7188299
damn thinking about it is making me even sadder about what happens to her in alternative

I cant decide... should i read it now or wait till the finished version in 2015? How important is the untranslated images? Or anything else thats lacking?

>>7188357
basically everything except for the final scene and the chapter titles are translated. read it now faggot before you get spoiled.

Hmm final scene sounds pretty important no?

>>7188386
not really. you should be able to understand at least half of it just from watching animu.

Ok thanks, starting asap

>>7188412
Yuuko dies, Akane is the causality conductor.

>>7188424
don't belive his lies

>>7188412
Everyone dies and I hope you enjoy watching the whole team tentacles raped to death.

>>7188386
The final scene is essentially people choosing where to sit around Takeru, the cast saying various minor things, Yuuko telling Takeru he's a "love nucleus" and deciding there's going to be a cooking contest.
Poor Takeru, Yuuko is getting involved with his life much earlier on. Also, did anyone notice how her Stratos went from White to Yellow?

>>7188635
didn't she run over sumika instead of takeru too?

>>7188639
Sumika was the first one to get run over, but it was moved up by quite a lot, I believe.

>>7188159
>those ranks

How, I'm only on very easy 5 and I think maybe 1 TSF has leveled up.

I'm just terrible aren't I....any tips and tricks?

"You know what I hated about the characters in Muv-Luv Alternative?"

"No, what?"

"In the end, they're just stereotypes."

DOHOHOHOHOHOHO

>>7189016
He's probably playing in Free Mode.
I don't think it's possible to get units that high ranking otherwise, since they reset when you start a new campaign I believe.

>>7188159
Yeah it's free mode. You can't even grind in Campaign mode, seeing as you can't repeat missions. And nothing carries over.
>>7188176
The Takemuchi or whatever are rewards for completing the game on a certain difficulty. I BELIEVE. Not to sure on this one.

>>7187963
I don't suppose anyone would have a transcript of this...

I didn't think it was possible, but MLA somehow managed to actually weird me out with the Sumika BETA rape scene. Seriously, what the fuck?

I can't believe you fuckers are talk so much about the asbolutely WORST part of Muv-Luv, the absolutely SHIT romance plot. Most of the girls are shit, those that aren't don't get routes, and Sumika is the fucking WORST of them -- well, barring shit omake/joke characters like the reverse trap and the loli that Age loves to put in there, but even those have comedy value at least. Sumika has NOTHING. Why the FUCK did Age have to bring extra-dimensional Sumikas into it? Wouldn't the BETA have failsafe mechanisms for dealing with pan-dimensional accidents like this shit? Best thing that could happen to True Takeru's universe is for the Superior to re-spawn at another hive -- if you think about it, wouldn't that be an obvious failsafe for a huge galaxy-spanning mining operation? That way all of this romance bullshit is made meaningless, all the heroic sacrifices are made pointless. All of the resources spent on Yuuko's side are wasted, and she can go commit suicide for fucking over countless people that made have made it out.

>>7189325
Take your meds

>>7189325
>Muv Luv
>Luv
>SHIT romance plot
The title would have given it away. You should know from the title that this is a story about love and about how 1 man will do anything even fucking his broken android waifu and go through length just to be able to return to his world to fuck his original waifu.

>>7189325
First off CTFD. Secondly it's pretty much already established that there are shit tons of Superior BETA's out there. Namely 10^37. They however aren't linked up to each other, only the reactors on the planet.

Superiors also don't oversee the galaxy/universe ONLY the planet they are currently harvesting from. Yes the BETA collectively as a whole probably have some form of dealing with other dimensions/parallel crap, but they didn't bother with that shit, because they didn't see humans as a threat yet. That's why they didn't bother to use strategy until after the Sadogashima or whatever Hive was destroyed. Cause they then realized, ho shit these things are dangerous.

>>7189325
First off CTFD. Secondly it's pretty much already established that there are shit tons of Superior BETA's out there. Namely 10^37. They however aren't linked up to each other, only the reactors on the planet.

Superiors also don't oversee the galaxy/universe ONLY the planet they are currently harvesting from. Yes the BETA collectively as a whole probably have some form of dealing with other dimensions/parallel crap, but they didn't bother with that shit, because they didn't see humans as a threat yet. That's why they didn't bother to use strategy until after the Sadogashima or whatever Hive was destroyed. Cause they then realized, ho shit these things are dangerous.

And also. Spoiler that shit please?

>>7189347
You don't get it. A massive mining system that spans at least one galaxy has to operate with minimal or no oversight from the Zousoushu. Therefore, the system must be engineered to be flexible, self-managing and self-repairing from anything. What if there was a major meteor impact, or a massive earthquake, or something like that would kill off the Jouisonzai of a planet? Would it just be a write-off? Of course not, there obviously needs to be various levels of backup systems and fail-safes to keep the system running, especially since they designed so much of the operations around a central point of failure (the Jouisonzai). It would be marginal to build in an algorithm into the the reactors or maybe even the BETA molecule itself that if the control signal is lost to spawn another Jouisonzai at another Hive. Indeed, why would they NOT have such an obvious disaster recovery system in place?

>>7189368
Sometimes people are just bad at designing failsafes.

There's nothing particularly unrealistic about it.

>>7189368
Because they have enough numbers not to care about losing a planet.

>>7189349
It doesn't mention whether Sumika was undergoing the filtering or not before Sadogashima?
We know she was receiving some sort of TSF training, and I imagined it was the filtering that fed the BETA details on human tactics, but yeah, you are right that they didn't change their style of fighting until after Sadogashima.

>>7189406
They had to filter the ODL Fluid every 72 hours I believe.
And I'm pretty sure they had the 00 Unit up and running for longer than 3 days prior to Sadogashima.

>>7189016
Play on higher difficulties, killing more BETAs gives more exp.
Beat all of the free maps on one difficulty and you unlock things, some of which are new units that have high ranks.
LEARN HOW TO PROPERLY USE BOOST JUMPS WITH LASER SPECIES PRESENT, this is absolutely critical for some maps.
And, of course, practice.

>>7189368
I like to think that after losing the planet, the BETA on other planets would assume the place is too dangerous and just leave it alone. I mean, it's not like they had a need to mine out every planet in existence. They specifically said that they made sure to avoid planets with life on them, for example. It was just humanity's bad luck that they didn't recognize carbon based life as life.

>>7189368
>It would be marginal to build in an algorithm into the the reactors or maybe even the BETA molecule itself that if the control signal is lost to spawn another Jouisonzai at another Hive. Indeed, why would they NOT have such an obvious disaster recovery system in place?

For all we know that could be the case, but Kashgar had the only Level 6+ hive on Earth, whereas there are Level 9 hives on Mars. It could merely be an issue of a Superior spawning only when a Hive reaches a certain level of development. There's also the possibility of the Moon or Mars sending a replacement to Earth.

Either way, as Yuuko said, blowing up Kashgar at the cost of 80% of the world's resources only bought 20 years of time for the human race. Humanity's already been fighting them for 25 years and made more progress in two fucking weeks than in those prior 25. So, beating the BETA is not a guaranteed deal by any stretch. Nobody wanted to imply even taking out the remaining hives on Earth would be easy. But there's hope now, when there was no hope before Alternative started.

>>7189430
>LEARN HOW TO PROPERLY USE BOOST JUMPS WITH LASER SPECIES PRESENT
How do you do this? I'm pretty sure by learning this you'd much improve anyone who wishes to play's chance at succeeding greatly.

mfw I just now figured out that beta have explored multiple galaxies and obviously have run into other life and it has all been silicon based, which made the beta, out of carbon. This implies that a silicon based lifeform made Humans.

>>7189463
Nope.
What it implies is the things that created the BETA were Silicon based life, and could not consider the possibility/has yet to run into naturally occurring Silicon life. So the BETA may have encountered other carbon based life, but since they're programmed to only recognize silicon life as naturally occurring they just go about their business.
Any thing else and you're just reading way too far into it.

>>7189438
I think of it like Ender's Game. When the BETA finally recognize carbon-based life, they will all go "Good heavens, we've been killing PEOPLE all this time?" and leave.

>>7189476
I've read all the ender's game books. You are talking about the pigs right? They were corrupted with a "virus", which was the intelligent life. The pigs are actually fucking stupid, the trees were intelligent. Kill the pigs, who cares.

If you are talking about the buggers, nothing is ever known about how they think, they just killed shit and oh look we can now talk telepathically, "why did you attack us, Mr. bugger" "why not lol, you didn't say we couldn't" It wasn't about being "alive" or whatever, they thought humans were a threat.

>>7189476
BETA will never acknowledge carbon-based beings as being alive.
If they did, tjey would acknowledge themselves as alive and would probably rebel against their overlords, reason they were programmed never to.

The aftermath of Alternative V for those of who've yet to see it.

>>7189504
Not exactly. The Jouisonzai was open to the argument of humans being a natural form of life, even though it expressed disbelief at the concept. It was requested proof of life from Takeru when it was waving the loli piece around. But the Jouisonzai is, in the end, just a biological CPU with a pretty limited range of thought, I doubt it would be able to accept any evidence humans could provide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_You_Need_Is_Kill
Anyone read this?
The plot seems strikingly similar with Muv-Luv

>>7189563
I dunno, Takeru seemed to be making progress. If Meiya hadn't run in and interrupted him, maybe he would have actually managed to negotiate something. I mean, at the very least it shouldn't have been so hard to negotiate a temporary cease-fire until they'd finished talking things out.

>>7189584
Takeru pretty much lost it at that point, when it requested evidence, I mean.

This shit was so overrated.

>>7189612
What did you expect? All VNs become overrated once they get translated.

>>7189575
>In April 2010 Warner Brothers announced the film adaption for 2012. The Bourne Identity director Doug Liman was later confirmed to direct the film.

Oh boy.

>>7189620
Except this VN hardly deserves much praise. It's worse than the original MLs if you ask me.

>>7189663
Good, that's your opinion. Now how about letting others who don't share your opinion enjoy themselves?

>>7189452
Just remember the rules that were outlined in Alternative. Each laser unit can only shoot once per turn, so if you manage to make all of the units fire, you can jump, fly, and do whatever the hell you want for the rest of the turn. Laser units won't shoot if there's another unit in the way, so you can often minimize/completely avoid damage by landing with one in between your unit and the laser unit. Landing behind rocks also protects your unit. Always try to make use of the "escape spots" that you get when you jump and start to get irradiated. Pic related

>>7189687
Wait what? You can do that? So as long as the TSF lands behind high enough cover or another BETA even though the lasers shoot they won't do anything? Or am I misunderstanding something here.

As for negotiating with the Superior, there was definitely some progress going on. I mean the Superior seemed to be interested or at least it gave half a damn about what Takeru was saying. It didn't just say, no fuck you, I don't care, exterminate, exterminate, exterminate.

>>7189762
Yes. However, if you land behind a BETA, you may still take some damage. It depends on the BETA size, your armor, and luck.

>>7189812
Hm weird than. Cause I'm landing behind full buildings and rocks, yet I'm still losing troops.... Oh well...

On that note, anyone know what you're suppose to do for mission 4? Are you suppose to hold out for a number of turns or wipe out all the BETA?

>>7189997
Hold out for 7 or 8 turns or something, aka get the fuck back.

>>7190098
Oh that explains what I'm doing horridly wrong. I've wiped out like half the BETA's ROFLS, but they keep spawning.

I couldn't play the strategy game because the fucking controls were so cumbersome. After the first few maps it takes FOREVER, so I just gave up.

>>7190131
Thats like, your opinion man. I find it fun because it really tests how well you pay attention, if you make a wrong move somewhere it could totally make it impossible later. But that is probably why you don't like it. You don't like to think.

How do I run this on my PSP? I tried to get it to work before but it won't run at all.

>>7189575
>Publication date December 2004
Came out after ML Unlimited.

oh god I just now went and read the translation for the unlimited ending song. I was barely able to keep myself from crying at the time but I would have lost it for sure if I had understood the lyrics.

>>7190940
I only bothered getting the Chizuru and Mikoto endings in Unlimited. Is it worth doing the others, seeing as they all seem to be identical?

>>7190955
The Meiya one is worth doing I think, other than that not really, besides maybe the Yuuko one. (Only available on second playthrough)

>>7190961
Seems I left off right in the middle of Tama's ero scene. May as well finish the rest then.

>>7190955
what happens in those endings? is it the same as the meiya ending where everyone stays on earth? and what's this about letters in alternative?

>>7190991
>what happens in those endings? is it the same as the meiya ending where everyone stays on earth?
Yes.
>and what's this about letters in alternative?
Whichever squad member you have the most points with writes you a love letter which you read at the end.

>>7191008
so I guess meiya doesn't have one since she tells you in person?

>>7191065
Seems that way. I picked Mikoto.

>>7190991

Meiya's is a bit different because the other girls start sobbing as if they know Takeru's probably dust particles by the time they arrive at the new planet. Meiya repeats that famous line from Extra, "Not bye bye, say "see you later" if you want to see someone again".

Mikoto's H scene gets some points for being funnier than the other ones. She has the best pickup line ever - "If you really see me as a woman, Takeru, why don't you prove it?"

>>7190984
>get this scene
>finish Alternative

All about the Guilt Train. ;_;

captcha: hmodul xrelc

>>7191122
oh so all of the characters have an ending where they're on the planet? do they all have takeru's kid with them

>>7191143
Correct.
Thread is at its limit now.

New thread here >>7191231