/jp/ - Otaku Culture

So 38% of americans are mentally stuck in the dark ages?

>38% of Americans Believe Japan Disaster a Sign From God.
So does the governor of Tokyo, you know.

I hate the media. They're far too good at trolling.

no wonder that everyone considers America to be full of idiots

>>7143196
If they were trolling it'd be all right.

But they aren't. They're serious.

Really.
Fucking.
Serious.

No wonder? the rest of the world thinks we're idiots.

They were asking believers, I take it?
It would be pointless to ask atheists if they believed god did it.
If you take that into consideration, then 38% is not much at all.

>>7143215
More likely they asked people "Are natural disasters a sign of god?" and construed it to relate to Japan.

Or they looked at past survey data taken far before the Japan disaster.

> watching fox news

2011: Japan
2012: USA
2013: EU

>PLUS: HOW IGNORANT ARE YOU?
Help me, I can't stop laughing.

>>7143184
>38% of those who were questioned believe the disaster was a sign from God

Don't abuse statistics.

>>7143195
^^^^ fucking this

>>7143215
>>7143217
You could watch the video OP linked to, which gives more detail on the poll. But it's Fox News so I don't blame you.

Why Japan?

Eh i guess this is a type of world wide depression or something...
1930s again?


it aint the apocolypse, sure about a million died in the last decade but we still have 7billion.

>>7143227
That got me too

It's a real shame George Carlin is dead.

so Katrina was a sign of god too ?
oh wait

>>7143260
Haha, good one.

>>7143262

Meanwhile in pakistan, all is well.

God has chosen. The answer is Islam.

Sounds similar to the tiny amount of support Bush always had.
That percent of the country is fucking retarded.

I bet my ass if anything happens in the USA, most of you americans will blame it on the other 62%.

>>7143273
>pakistan
>all is well

There's an 8.0+ on average once a year. Nothing new.

And how can there be a sign from god when THERE IS NO GOD?

>>7143279
It would actually only be 38%. Which can not be considered "most americans" since, you know, 62% is a little bit more.

>>7143287
When God died he didn't depress the "kill humans" button on his control panel.

What does this mean?

It's a SIGN that GOD is LAZY.

WHEN WILL RELIGION DISAPPEAR?

>Fox News
>Research done by the Public Religion Research Inst.

Yeah...

>>7143298
>1008 Adults

Kinda makes you wonder why they needed 8 additional people.

>>7143298
>56 + 34 = 90%

Oh you, Fox, you.

>>7143302
Religions are a good thing because they give humanity something to believe in even in the most desperate situations. Without religion, the world would be a ball of chaos where society would not exist and raping, pillaging and stealing would not only be acceptable behavior but would be actually encourage.

>>7143322

NOPE.jpg

>>7143300

I'm not saying god died. I'm saying that there never has been a god. There isn't a logical reason for one to exist.

>>7143188
More than 38%

>Newsweek

nnnoope

>>7143322
>This is what religious people actually believe.jpg
Maybe for the dumbest bottom of the barrel people in absolute shitholes of the world, which is debatable because they sometime commit acts "modern" religious people committed in the dark ages.
For everyone else that is absolute horse shit, as the most moral people I've ever known have been atheist.
That's more about intelligence and whether or not you're a sociopath, not if you believe in some invisible person.

>>7143287

The Richter scale is exponential, not additive.
A 9.0 is much, much worse than an 8.0.

>>7143334

You can't prove God doesn't exist, see, perfect logic.

>>7143327
How about you prove me wrong and show me a real life example your typical atheist utopia.
Hint: no Western world examples, the moral principles underpinning Western society come from or have been co-opted from Christian teachings. Remember, for example, that before Christianity any family could sell their baby sons to the slave market for money if the wanted to.

>>7143340

Actually, it is. You can't prove God DOES exist, either, so belief or non-belief in God is equally valid.

i.e. the entire debate is pointless, and the people who engage in it, frequently stupid.

>>7143340

One never needs to prove a negative. It's pointless and illogical to attribute something that for all intents and purposes, does not exist and has no reason to exist. There is nothing in the universe that even suggests that a god exists.

>>7143346
>>7143353

I know, I was just kidding.

>>7143345
Buddhists did and do it pretty well.

>>7143346
You can't prove the invisible intangible dragon floating silently in my garage ISN'T real, so belief or nonbelief in it is equally valid.

See how retarded you sound?

>>7143345

>prove wrong

Do ho ho. Someone hasn't heard of burden of proof...

>>7143312
Fox never includes the percent of "No Opinion" people.

Though that's no excuse, because they only survey a small population of retards in order to make extremely biased polls which they try to pass off as a representation of the majority.

>>7143359
You mean the belligerent slave-owning hellhole that Tibet was before China gave them the beating of their lifetime?

>>7143345

Probably explains why all western societies had their framework taken from morality and not religion then.

Protip: Those moral rules in religion come from society, not the other way around. The bible actually endorses slavery. Worked out pretty damn well for Joseph.

>>7143369

Slaves shouldn't be an example, America had them until 1865.

Being civil doesn't equal to no slavery.

Arguing about religion, huh?
Even for /jp/ that's pretty low.

>>7143345

Sorry guys, but this guy is right. Religion is traditionally the framework through which social mores of any sort have been established. Look at the Ten Commandments: thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal thy flatmate's beer, etc.

In fact this was such a well-known fact that nobody thought the nascent America could work without a state religion; since without a state religion, how could people agree on what was moral and just? The Founding Fathers opined that all men of all creeds could agree on some basic things, like "don't be an asshole." The Founding Fathers were right, which was the first real implementation of what you might call secular morality.

Of course atheists scream about the Inquisition and the Crusades until they're fucking hoarse, but never whisper a word about the quite secular Stalinist and Nazi regimes that engaged in slaughters ten times worse. The fact of the matter is that any institution of man can and will be turned to evil purposes. Religion is just another social construct that has been used and abused by Man, just like government (indeed, those social constructs have often been adjoined or even combined in many cultures.)

Atheistfags are too asspained to realize this, and hardcore Religionfags are too asspained to realize that their religion is perfectly safe and valid even IF dinosaurs were real or what-the-fuck-ever. So chill the fuck out.

>>7143366

That adds up to 120%

>>7143391
You nicely reworded what
>>7143372 said.

Do you even read the shit you type?

>>7143353
>There is nothing in the universe that even suggests that a god exists.
this very site does

Apocalypse now bombs a World of Warcraft funeral

>>7143408
That was hilarious.

>>7143391
>the quite secular Stalinist and Nazi regimes that engaged in slaughters ten times worse
Your first mistake was assuming that they were so destructive and oppressive because they weren't Christian, and not because they were, y'know, totalitarian.

As far as morals go:

High tier:
Liberalism (not the American political term; liberalism as in post-Enlightenment conceptions of democratic governance)

Low tier:
Authoritarianism (monarchy, mild dictatorships like Singapore, moderate dictatorships like China)

Shit tier:
Totalitarianism (Nazi Germany, Stalinist and post-Stalinist USSR, strong dictatorships like North Korea)

>>7143400

Stunning rebuttal.

>>7143421
>Your first mistake was assuming that they were so destructive and oppressive because they weren't Christian

Your first mistake was assuming I was making that argument. I merely illustrated that authoritarian oppression is quite possible regardless of religion.

>Liberalism (not the American political term

Generally that's called "classical liberalism" to distinguish it from the current slang for left-wing politics.

>>7143391

>saying the Nazis were secular
>implying that the swastika isn't a religious symbol and the higher ups weren't predominantly churchgoers, including hitler who was a devout christian and exceptionally moral on top of that.

Sorry, no. Stalin is a good point, but the Nazi regime is a complete no-go.

And the whole "10 times worse" thing is complete hogwash. The holocaust is horribly blown out of proportion and there are plenty of equally horrible and more numerous religiously based atrocities committed in the past.

>>7143391

The founding fathers were deists and atheists. They even stated in an international treaty (the treaty of tripoli) that the United States is "not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion".
>>7143400
You are a samefag with >>7143391 and are sidestepping the argument of >>7143372 by simply throwing an insult as a fallacy of distraction. You walk a fine line that is close to ad hominem. Next time, counter the damn argument or accept that you have no argument.

>>7143408

haha had to re-watch the video

>>7143402

As if gets ever counted for anything.

>>7143421

Benito Mussolini shakes hands with Wal-Mart, or Fascism tier:

America.

I thought we all agreed that Tenshi did it...

You guys are so boring, I thought we were mocking religion, not actually argue about it.

>>7143400

Actually he's saying the opposite. The first states that religion is used to enforce morality, the second states that morality came about because of religion. It's chicken and the egg.

>>7143444

Yeah. Like when Britain realized they could control China by making sure they stayed addicted to smack and then slaughtered millions of them when they tried to go to rehab.

>>7143421

That would make America and most of the democratic world mid tier. We are not close to what the enlightenment thinkers would have liked, but we're better than China.

>>7143468

Religion did invent ethics, but ethics in themselves are fabricated constructs to give people the power to tell others what to do and what not to do.

Rights don't exist. Humans made them up. Religion is a power tool. Ethics is an excuse.

>>7143438
Then why did you draw a false comparison between them and movements where religion was a primary motive for atrocities? Of course that was only one of many fallacies in your previous post.

>>7143444
>>7143448

>The founding fathers were deists and atheists. They even stated in an international treaty (the treaty of tripoli) that the United States is "not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion".

Quite right, (hence their successful founding of a nation with no state religion.) Traditionally, religion has provided moral codes, but the founding of America is perhaps the most poignant example that secular humanism is an effective provider of moral frameworks especially since basic moral tenets are widely agreed upon across many religions.

>>7143478

>Religion invented philosophy

Socrates says hi.

By the time religion was really formalized and associated with morality society had already been established. Society cannot exist without some manner of general consensus on rules. Now whether or not those people believed that if they were evil they'd suddenly be struck down by lightning by the pagan gods they worshipped, well that's all conjecture. But the point to be made here is that society came first and people were getting along just fine before religion became something that was involved in people's personal lives IE: moral codes.

>>7143483
>draw a false comparison

Exactly what the fuck are you babbling about? I was CONTRASTING them to illustrate that religion is not a de-facto prerequisite to such atrocities, a social structure that can only bring misery (a common tack of more strident atheists, who are very butthurt over the Inquisition et al.) As you explicitly pointed out, the common element between atrocities is authoritarianism.

>Of course that was only one of many fallacies

I have an odd feeling you have no idea what I was arguing to begin with.

>/jp/ - Religious Culture

>Fox News

Really? really... people still take them serious!?

Don't know what's sadder - that people seriously believe prayer makes a difference, or that people are praying to an old guy in the sky when it's clearly the tectonic plates at fault here.

>>7143522

Pfeifer Zeliska? Very nice.
There's just deliciously decadent about revolvers where a full cylinder costs a weekly salary.

>>7143522
Myself (the guy who wrote >7143421) and the guy you are quoting are different people.

>Fox News

>>7143583

>everyone out of this thread now

>>7143574
>tripfag recognizes the Pfeifer Zeliska
>on /jp/

And not only does it cost a weeks salary, it was considered excessively powerful for ELEPHANTS, when fired out of rifles.

>>7143583
>not posting the smiley face Picard drew in the plasma plume

Americans and theists being dumb?

So what else is new in the world

So Japanese fokes you ready to become serbian?.

>>7143604

>>7143659

[spolier]religion thread?[/spoiler]

Religion thread?

Religion thread!

Some of that old time religion