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[citation needed]

I exploded my hydrogen gas all over your mom's reactor containment vessel. The force was so great it blew off her reinforced concrete roof.

gifs where?

>>7097383
shiver me ballsack, It just hit Reuters

>>7097390
>>7097383
Shep Smith on FOX is reporting from Tokyo

Just had a BREAKING NEWS and said people heard another explosion

NHK world has it too.

>BREAKING NEWS: BLAST HEARD AT NO.2 REACTOR

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/

BREAKING NEWS: Suppression pool may have been damaged at No. 2 reactor: gov't agency
BREAKING NEWS: Blast heard at 6:10 a.m. at Fukushima's No.2 reactor: gov't

NHK commentator: radioactive material may have leaked.

when does this end?

explosion -> radioactivity -> oh it wasn't that bad -> explosion -> radioactivity -> ...

>>7097422
>when does this end?
Apparently the whole region has north winds at the moment.
Draw the conclusions yourself.

GOOD THING YOU FUCKS AREN'T JAPANESE, HUH?

"A spokesperson from Tokyo Electric says said some staff have been evacuated from the site." (BBC)

>>7097429
do you really think that even half of the people on /jp/ would have a working knowledge of japanese geography

>>7097422
It will end when the next big thing for the news to squawk over happens. Nothing involving the plants will ever be "that bad", but the media wants people to think it will wipe everyone off the map

1,941 mSv per hour

That's about 125% of the yearly dose in one hour.

>>7097478
Which is still insignificant

>>7097470
True, as far as it goes, but Saudi Arabia just invaded Bahrain to prop up the government and it's barely meriting a mention.

>>7097486

Put on Al Jazeera or something, they're covering it very well.

They didn't "invade" as you say. The government in Bahrain requested help from neighbouring countries, and Saudia Arabia sent in a ton of army units.

That in itself is crazy considering 1) it's Saudia Arabia's army, and I can smell the bloodshed already 2) the US Navy 5th Fleet has a base there which is odd they would not protest to this announcement.

if anything this will mean nuclear energy industry in Japan is basically finished. how an isolated country can sustain its energy demand otherwise is unthinkable.

>>7097486
Because Saudi Arabia is America's "ally," so if it does anything wrong, it never happened.

>>7097502
>if anything this will mean nuclear energy industry in Japan is basically finished

Haha nope. That's like saying the BP oil spill would end the oil industry

>>7097502
Yeah, this is the only nuclear plant in Japan after all. They are finished.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12740843

Oh boy

>>7097478
sauce?

>>7097517
If you are going to behave like /b/, go back there

>>7097502
30% of Japan's energy is produced in their power plants. Where do you think the rest comes from?

They will never end nuclear dependency in Japan, at least not for a long long time.

The plant was from the 1960s for one, and they just had the biggest earthquake in their history. It's not like the plant just failed on its own, it was badly damaged. Germany however has already taken measures of its own in response to this disaster.

>>7097522
What it does mean is that the US will never go nuclear within the foreseeable future (thanks to fear mongering by the news agencies) so they will continue to rely on foreign oil

>>7097517
http://www.nikkei.com/news/headline/article/g=96958A9C93819490E3E6E2E3968DE3E7E2E1E0E2E3E3E2E2E2E2E2
E2

>>7097521
The war cries of every brave man in Japan.

>>7097529
It's funny because coal and oil production harm the environment more than nuclear plants. During the early stages of the leak it was giving off LESS radiation than a typical coal plant

>>7097521
faith?

Just airlift a sarcophagus over the whole facility.

Could be worse. Swedish papers declared this morning that "Japan is lying" and that the disaster is "worse than Chernobyl" according to "a former IAEA inspector".

It's kind of obvious why he's a *former* inspector.

>>7097512

Holy shit. It just keeps getting worse and worse for them.

>>7097521
Despair of magical girls, obviously.

>>7097478
ist that micro or milli?
>>7097485
Also:
So... does anyone know how high radiation was in Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the Atom bombs?

>>7097556
Also: how much radiation do you get for flying with a plane?

>>7097522
Well...
The plant was build in the 1970's.
And germany is full of green retards. Seriously all Geiger counters are sold out AND some people started taking iodine pills against radiation.
That just rustled my jimmies.

Canadafag here. We've been using nuclear power for decades now and it feels good.\

Pic related, it's a CANDU station.

>>7097567
About 0.004mSv/h.
Normal is 0.0001 mSv/h.

>>7097537

>>>/gaia/
>>>/a/

Yoichi Shimatsu, former editor of the Japan Times, states that after a high-level government meeting, “Japanese agencies are no longer releasing independent reports without prior approval from the top,” and that censorship of what is really occurring at the plant is being overseen under the Article 15 Emergency Law.

>>7097574

>some people started taking iodine pills against radiation

Seriously?
Didn't they read the instructions printed on the box in bold black letters and in five languages right next to a big fookin' warning sign?

Frenchfag here. 80% of my country electricity comes from nuclear power.

But it's ok, even if shit happened we would surrender to the nuclear reactor.

>>7097587
Ok, that sounds horrible.
I guess it's mainly to prevent scary reports that might make people panic... anyway... it's time to brace for the impact...

>>7097577
>>7097596

Nobody cares about the achievements of your third world shithole.

>>7097596

I don't see why some people are afraid of nuclear power.

OH NO ITS "NUCLEAR" THAT SOUNDS SO BAD AND EVIL DURRRR

>>7097607
>Canada third world

Jealous much?

>>7097574
While I agree, some people are reacting in a stupid way. I think the greens have a valid point.

We can control atomic energy production, but only within certain limits, and within certain probabilities. These limits are decided on before the whole power plant is built, and they are often too optimistic.
I have a CS background and thus know that there can't be anything like a absolutely correctly working technical device. Even in highly QC'd software like NASA uses there is still a high amount of bugs. That's no different for atomic power plants.
It's not funny to see people claim that the technology is absolutely safe with a fail probability as low as 1:100,000 in a century, and then it fails almost regularly.

>>7097608
I am afraid that wind farms will cut up all the air and everyone will suffocate.

>>7097574
>mfw in 10 years everyone will be doing what Germany is doing now
You're a retard.

>>7097608

Because of Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and the obvious other consequences of a nuclear disaster. Do you know what would happen if one in America suddenly had a meltdown, and released radiation into the atmosphere and it floated around the planted? You wouldn't be able to eat anything.

>>7097608
>OH NO ITS "NUCLEAR" THAT SOUNDS SO BAD AND EVIL DURRRR

That is literally what the news is saying 24/7. They get people who have no knowledge of how this shit works (like CNN's meteorologist) who spew garbage out of their mouth until the public shits themselves

NHK live feed broke away from live feed of press conference coverage cause the TEPCO rep couldn't answer a tricky question!!!

"If there is a leak in the container how can you cover the rods with water, it doesn't make sense!?"

HASSEN IJOU DAAAAAAAAAA

>>7097635
Apparently it has risen to 8 mSv/h.

>>7097616

It's not the US.

>>7097633
what the hell...

>>7097633
those guys were getting their ass destroyed by the press, I felt bad.

>>7097626

Well those plants probably weren't built as good as ones built in other countries.

God, nuclear power sounds like the most badass thing we have. Its fucking NUCLEAR POWER. Were living LIFE ON THE EDGE MOTHERFUCKER.

Cant let those pussy ass news networks tell us other wise. SHIT YO.

>>7097629
I'll book you a flight to Tokyo tomorrow.

>>7097658
Californian nuclear power plants are not save in case of an earthquake.

>>7097663
NO RISK NO FUN
HEAVEN OR HELL - FINAL DESTINATION!

>>7097470
You're right. I'm dissapointed in the news too, for exaggerating things that need not be exaggerated.
>Even in the worst case scenerio, it will not be the same situation as Chernobyl
He wasn't the only one saying that either.
Fuck the media. Just wait until it's over and see what happens. Nothing else we can do.

The media wants you to keep watching, and watching, and watching..
You really can't trust anyone's word right now.
ESPECIALLY not if it's a combination of fucking 4chan and the news media.
Just donate your money and be done with it.

>>7097669


AWW YEAHH MAH NIGGAH

I keep ragging that they won't build a nuclear reactor about 60 km from my place. Croatia is surounded by 16 nuclear reactors and own one, It's fucking safe all the EU states with nuclear reactors proved it and there a Hungarian one 100 km from my City. So who the fuck cares if we build another one?

I salute the French for being so advanced and independent.


I also bet you whatever you want, nothing is going to happen to the Japanese Reactors, they'll get fixed in a months and will operate at 100% again.

BY FUCKING GOD I HATE THIS BANNED URL SHIT. 3 times I had to change my IP now!

>>7097585
>Badmouthing GaoGaiGar
>>>/a/
>>>/b/
>>>/v/
>>>/soc/
>>>/fit/
>>>/r9k/
>>>/new/

Reported

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

>Radioactive materials are feared to be leaking at Fukushima, Kyodo reports quoting a safety agency.

>>7097679

hurtbutt

>>7097577
CANDU is a very much safer technology then standard pressure plants, plus produces less waste. Plus, they are almost self-sufficient when supplied with low-radioactive local uranium.

Fuck, why the rest of the world had not used this technology? (Eurofag here, surrounded by standard shitty nuclear plants)

>>7097685
assdevastated XD

This was posted on twitter. Allegedly the geiger counter is in Tokyo.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/geiger-counter-tokyo

>>7097685
>>7097687
Coloncrucified

>>7097678
When they decided to use sea water to cool the power plant, the gave up on it.

>>7097688
What's the "normal" cpm again?

>>7097688
how much is 13.1cpm? doesn't it take a while until the radiation affects tokyo?

>>7097678
Since when the fuck do we own a nuclear reactor?Unless slovenia builds one on Sava

>>7097686

The technology is up for sale I know that, because we've built a lot of them in China. I think European public opinion and bureaucracy holds back further nuclear development there.

Unfortunately thanks to our conservative government we've been pushing oil sands in Canada rather than nuclear recently. It's an awful way to get oil and destroys the environment.

>>7097705

I believe Croatia shares and co-operates a plant with Slovenia.

>>7097672
Oh man do I have a treat for you:

A german radio broadcast said the Fukushima plants are identical to Chernobyl.
German tv news asked Greenpeace about the situation of the japanese power plants.
That's just beyond bullshit...

>>7097716
>I think European public opinion holds back further nuclear development there.

That's a good thing. We are building facilities for renewables instead.

>>7097695

To clear up on what this anon said, by giving up it means that those reactors will never be used again. What sucks is that Japan is run on mostly Nuclear power so outages are gonna be happening everywhere.

As for the current situation on the reactors, from what the news reports say, both 1 and 3 seem to be somewhat stable and just require constant cooling. The 2nd reactor suffered an explosion that damaged the suppressant pool underneath the reactor. What is reported is that the pool is only important as the last emergency backup. The current problem is that the rods have been exposed to air so are partially melted at this point. SO all hope resides on the steel containment to hold up against the melted rods. Leaks have been possibly detected and the measurements of outside radiation have risen but fluctuated since then.

So at this point, we don't really know what is going to happen. Though bravo to those workers who are staying to get things under control. Balls of steel indeed.

Live NHK feed here:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv

>>7097716
It's because of the amount of money Alberta brings in. Stupid, nevertheless.

>>7097386
I feel great for laughing.

Guys, why can't they just turn it off?

>>7097722
>A german radio broadcast said the Fukushima plants are identical to Chernobyl.
If you have heard the same program as I did, they only said it was "of the same type". That's something entirely different.
>German tv news asked Greenpeace about the situation of the japanese power plants.
They also (prominently) asked the energy industry.

Stop posting half-true shit.

>>7097736

>>7097721
We do, we own the most shares of it so technically it's our plant. Also fucking Slavonia needs a Nuclear Plant.

>>7097726
>Though bravo to those workers who are staying to get things under control. Balls of steel indeed.
Not necessarily. If they abandoned their duties, there's no guarantee they wouldn't suffer just as much (or more) as a result.

>>7097736

It's already off, it's just the fuel is extremely fucking hot.

That's what a meltdown is; when the fuel isn't cooled by water, so it starts to fall and melt away until it breaches its container, where it risks contaminating the area and even entire continents of the planet.

>>7097686
Canadians usually keep to themselves and are poor salesmen.

Also our current government is messing the nuclear energy monitoring programs. Even with CANDU, I am not feeling very good. No amount of science can defeat human greed.

>>7097722
oh... and of course: they showed images of 'what happened' which showed the core vessel being ripped apart.

>>7097752

Thanks.

Ok China reports there are no radiation on Chinese soil.

Since China always lies, does that mean....?

>>7097716
Europe is simply leaning towards british or french license for power plants, due to political and economic (thus diplomatic) pressure. I guess it's also easier to manage public opinion, whilst the technology proved to be glitchless till now and comes from partners in EU.

Still, I personally think CANDU is the most prefferable technology for developing countries in EU and it should be spread more widely.

Oil sands are seriously awfull from environmental point of view. Poor Canada. :<

>>7097753

Soon enough the Liberals will whine and call an election, and hopefully Harper will get out.

He's very hard and authoritarian in regards to the internet especially.

>>7097736

Trolling or not I'll answer anyways.


The reactors are shutoff since the control rods were inserted to stop anymore nuclear reactions form occurring. HOWEVER, the problem is there still exists extreme amounts of heat inside. There is usually a system that pumps water in to help cool things off. But the floods damaged the generators that powered this. So now they are trying to cool shit with seawater. If there is no coolant, the fuel rods will be exposed and the extreme heat will melt them, leaving nuclear material falling to the bottom. The steel containment was built to hold against that, but you never know what the hell might happen right now.

Another one, also in Tokyo
http://park18.wakwak.com/~weather/geiger_index.html

>>7097765

That there probably is no radiation. You forget that China/Korea/Japan have a history of not liking each other much right?

>>7097678
>>7097695
>>7097726

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe these (rather old) plants were scheduled to be shut down by the end of the month anyways?
Really bad timing.

So /jp/ is mostly pro nuclear?

>Canada markets this power reactor abroad. In December 2009, the Canadian Federal Government announced that they would be seeking private investors for a partial sell-off of its CANDU division.

Don't worry EU maybe you'll get one some day.

>>7097478
It's 8217µSv/h atm.

1900mSv per hour would kill you in 2 hours. (3 Sv is LD50)

>>7097782
they were supposed to be put out of service 10 years ago but got a licence extension until this month.

Doubly bad timing.

>>7097782

That's what I heard, but someone else mentioned that they were just going to get more upgrades, so I'm not too sure.

[citation needed]
I want to hear about it from a nuclear physicist or read about it in a peer review scientific paper.

The media is a terrible source.

>>7097789
Ah, sorry, that was a punctuation mistake.

>CANDU-type reactors are designed to withstand higher seismic stresses. In the event of an earthquake, the CANDU reactor is capable of handling increased seismic loads at areas of high seismicity.

>>7097784
Sort of. Fusion needs to become viable.

>>7097784

I think most are science minded and so logically nuclear makes a lot of sense.

>>7097794

Here ya go, its written by a professor with knowledge on the subject. Transferred to MIT's nuclear division site and partially updated by them. I'll try and find the original blog.

http://mitnse.com/

Which they did well.

The tsunami is what caused all of these problems.

>>7097794
>read about it in a peer review scientific paper.

Yeah, they're going to put out an entire peer reviewed paper that takes months when the plant could explode at any moment.

>>7097740
>If you have heard the same program as I did, they only said it was "of the same type". That's something entirely different.
SWR3. Anyway it's still a bold lie. Chernobly was had a graphite based design, Fukushima is a pressurized water based design.
>They also (prominently) asked the energy industry.
They had an expert that told them that the radiation (1.015mSv back then) was not significant. I liked that guy, he didn't give in to OHSHITWENEEDMASSHYSTERIAORELSENOONEWILLWATCHUSOHFUCK bs from the news anchors.
Anyway: what I am talking about they asked some Greenpeace guy stuff about the power plant and this guy said at least 2m of the fuels rods wouldn't be covered by water. That was friday afternoon. Information of that matter was not made available until... Yesterday? I dunno. Anyway they asked some bugridden hippy about stuff he basically had no clue and went 'OH FUCK THAT'S SOME SERIOUS SHIT, DUDE!'

>>7097740
>>German tv news asked Greenpeace about the situation of the japanese power plants.
>They also (prominently) asked the energy industry.

Let's ask an organization that has absolutely no information about said power plant about this? And then they just come up with pure speculation of what could be and what could happen if something is the case based on the few information they get from the japanese?

Also, why must every newspaper put that picture of the man with a geiger counter and a little boy on their front page? To gain sympathy?

Is Japan being assisted by some any other country to control this shit? can they handle this with their own tecnhology?

>>7097800
Apart from the flaw in some pressure valves, that were sensitive to seismic stress from '97, that almost caused a compleate core meltdown in Quebec. Yet that was fixed and upgraded throughout all available plants on the license, from what I know.

>>7097785
But it has French and UK tech plus the most advanced fusion fuel research ever, ITER. EU is the most advanced when it comes to fission/fusion fuel energy.

>>7097809
>Fukushima is a pressurized water based design.

Okay, you are an uninformed idiot. I won't reply to you anymore.

>>7097810
>Also, why must every newspaper put that picture of the man with a geiger counter and a little boy on their front page? To gain sympathy?

Don't worry, tomorrow it will be the reactor exploding at the frame in which it most resembles a mushroom cloud.

>>7097805
>>7097805

FOUND IT
http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/

Also, here is another post by a former Nuclear Engineer and his opinions on it as well as a few Q&A.
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/g37tl/ima_former_nuclear_emergency_planner_wanting_to/

>>7097809
>(1.015mSv back then) was not significant.

Be careful with punctuation here. 1000mSv/h kills you in 3 hours. 1mSv/h is mostly a cancer risk.

>>7097815
Japan is better equipped to handle the situation than almost any other nation on Earth.
But yeah, they are receiving some help, primarily from America

Don't watch CNN or Fox or MS, unless you want people giggling about Godzilla jokes or laughing about the falling gas prices in the US or just getting shit wrong.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/
http://jibtv.com/program/?page=0
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv

Are the people trying to keep these reactors from exploding or melting down or whatever working right next to them? Christ, that would take some guts.

>>7097834
>>7097834

Better advice is to NEVER watch those networks at all. They are a goddamn laughing stock. Watch either those links or BBC news or even Al jazeera.

>>7097837

Yup. Only about 50(?) workers are left trying to contain it all. Everyone else has been evacuated.

possible meltdown (again)
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/