/jp/ - Otaku Culture

The bars seem to change at random when I played. The game is so easy, even on hard that you don't even need to worry about songs except for some bosses. Just attack normally, and if you see a high red bar, make sure you get an attack in that frame.

Oh hey another AT thre-

>(ﾟ 3ﾟ)Onsokumaru !!f6Tejk6TlLT
>Also Ar Tonelico general.

Get the fuck back to /v/.

>>7091692
Yeah I think I'm doing something extremely wrong then.
I try playing on hard and everyone dies in not even 3 hits.

>>7091664

>(ﾟ 3ﾟ)Onsokumaru !!f6Tejk6TlLT

Back to >>>/v/, defector.

>>7091692
>The game is so easy, even on hard
Tell me your secrets, guru...

>>7091700
Spam health items, they drop 3x every battle pretty much

>>7091714
They all die waay too quick for that.
Plus on hard mode vanguards do like 1/3 damage than they normally would on normal and enemies do 3x than they normally would.

Can't stay alive for more than 5 seconds.

>>7091699
Black on Black hate isn't cool

So any advice in particular?
How does one fight rhythmically as it recommends in the glossary?

>>7091727


Food chain! Get used to it.

>>7091715
Samefagging this. I need help too.

How did you already get it you bastard

>>7091855
Got extremely lucky I guess.
It came in the mail yesterday afternoon. Shat bricks, man.

I hope mine comes tomorrow

>>7091857
Upload it to some torrent sites, you bastard. I preordered it (with all of the extras from the NISA store), but I don't want to wait.

>>7091899
And encourage pirates?
No way, man. Hopefully you'll get it tomorrow.

>>7091910
Encourage pirates?

You do realize that all of the evidence suggests that the game will sell more if people are able to try before they buy, right?

Fucking mindless corporate sheep.

>>7091930
Yeah I do that too. Pirate a game and then by it if I like it enough.

But the majority of people don't.

>>7091930
I don't mean to be rude, but could you show me this evidence?

>>7091937
[citation needed]

Every pirate I know of has a sizable collection of games or is too young to have a job, and all of the (admittedly very limited) research on the matter suggests this is the norm. If you're going to insist that humanity consists almost entirely of selfish pricks, you're going to need to back it up with some evidence. Unfortunately, I'm quite confident the evidence doesn't exist.

The vast majority of humans are basically good, so stop acting like you can never trust them with anything. That kind of fear is what causes most real crime in the first place.

>>7091961
But your backing your own point with personal experiences.
A lot of the pirates I know just grab things off bitgamer and never plan to buy them, regardless of enjoyment. Which is my own personal experience. I know a ton of people who pirate, and damn near most of them dont ever buy things.

>>7091961
[citation needed]

I don't see any charts or graphs.

Hey OP, you could have posted this in /v/.
THE PLACE WHERE VIDYA IS SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSED YOU CUNT I HOPE THIS THREAD CRASHES AND BURNS SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGED OVER 9000 TIMES HOW DARE YOU NOT POST THIS IN /V/ WHEN THE BOARD IS BEING OVERRUN BY NON-VIDYA CRAP A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF WOULD HAVE APPRICIATED AN AR TONELIC THREAD THERE YOU FAGGOT.

>>7092022
I've seen countless AT threads here though.
Shall I repost this on /v/ then?

>>7091942
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/apr/21/study-finds-pirates-buy-more-music

You can look into U.S. government movie piracy and Japanese government anime piracy research, too, but I'm too lazy to find links for everything. The former found that movie piracy is a non-issue at worst, and the latter found that the anime industry would collapse if not for the marketing help of piracy.

As for games specifically, I haven't heard of any research, but many prominent figures in the industry (such as Satoru Iwata) have stated that piracy isn't among the most significant causes of poor sales. On the other hand, research HAS suggested that gamers have more company loyalty than any other type of entertainment media fan, so it is likely that game pirates drop more money on games than other pirates do on their favorite medium. For evidence, I don't even need a link--just think of all of the insufferable fanboyism you see in regards to video games and you'll know it's true.

>>7091975
Because they play stuff they wouldn't even consider buying. Or like me don't have the income. Games cost around 50€ each in Europe. Well 100$ in my Country. The average pay is 1000$, only the guys in the capital have that much, here in my part it's more like 600$ per month. After paying everything you are left with about 50$ a month on stuff and 99% of the people don't waste it on games.

I myself am a super huge pirate fag, only recently at the age of 19 did I start buying shit because I finally had the money to do it.

And even now I only buy games I like or want to play even if they suck because I like some aspect of the game or maybe even developers.

That being said, I never buy DS games because there enough people that buy that, DS isn't going to die and was never, also I hate the fact that I have to carry around shitty cartridges instead of having it all on my console ready to play whenever.


TL;DR If games didn't cost so fucking much maybe people would buy them.

PS. For fucks sake 40$ for Pokemon, a game that costs less then 100.000$ to make earns every year or so more then 30 million dollars.

>>7092042
I think we're getting off track here.

If the Japanese iso for AT3 is 20gb and the English iso is x amount more because of its additional sound files it may well take longer for him to upload a full copy than for you to just get yours in the mail.

pirate here
i buy entertainment stuff only when i can't get it for free. i'd rather use my money for things like bills or physical things that can't be downloaded. ironically i buy popular doujinshi that are uploaded. i can't explain that one.

>>7092054
Considering that shipping to my residence takes about a week longer than it should on average, I wouldn't be surprised if he could upload five full copies before it arrives in the mail.

>>7092059
> ironically i buy popular doujinshi that are uploaded. i can't explain that one.
Hah, wow.

>>7092059
>i buy entertainment stuff only when i can't get it for free.
>i buy popular doujinshi
That's not ironic. That's a direct contradiction. You just bolstered my argument by showing that even people who see themselves as unrepentant evil pirates still buy shit.

>>7092064
i buy a lot of stuff that doesn't get uploaded too and that outnumbers the popular doujinshi by a lot. i limit the popular ones i buy to raita and a few other circles.

>>7092027
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/apr/21/study-finds-pirates-buy-more-music
This article has nothing to do with video game piracy.

>You can look into U.S. government movie piracy and Japanese government anime piracy research, too, but I'm too lazy to find links for everything.
I can't find any links on this stuff. I relied on you to show me evidence that piracy helps the gaming industry.

>The former found that movie piracy is a non-issue at worst, and the latter found that the anime industry would collapse if not for the marketing help of piracy.
I don't care about either of these issues, unless of course you can show me evidence of a correlation between anime/movie piracy and video game piracy.

>As for games specifically, I haven't heard of any research, but many prominent figures in the industry (such as Satoru Iwata) have stated that piracy isn't among the most significant causes of poor sales.
It is still one of the causes. Mr. Iwata doesn't seem to have any evidence backing him either, so I'm going to ignore this point.

>On the other hand, research HAS suggested that gamers have more company loyalty than any other type of entertainment media fan, so it is likely that game pirates drop more money on games than other pirates do on their favorite medium. For evidence, I don't even need a link--just think of all of the insufferable fanboyism you see in regards to video games and you'll know it's true.
Yes, you do need a link. Googling does not lead me to any research suggesting that gamers have more company loyalty than anyone else. As for your last "point," /v/ children and Gamefags posts are not sufficient evidence to suggest anything of the sort.

>>7092076
I literally JUST said that I pirate some stuff and buy what I really love. Doesn't mean everyone on the planet does it.

Anyway this thread totally went off topic. Guess I'm on my own until more people get it. Damn battle system is so confusing.

AT is a shit game. You fags should be ashamed for enjoying it.

>>7092114
Don't worry, I'll be pirating it soon, in honor of you.

>>7092139
I'm touched.
Sniff

>>7092096
>This article has nothing to do with video game piracy.
In the same sense that the temperature of water in a refrigerator has nothing to do with the temperature of chicken in the same refrigerator, maybe.

Piracy is piracy. If it applies to one type of piracy, it is safe to assume it applies to all types of piracy. If you want to suggest otherwise, you're going to need hard evidence.

Burden of proof is on you, kid.

P.S.: I didn't even bother reading the rest of your post. You seem intellectually bankrupt, so it probably wouldn't be worth my time.

It might be just me but does anyone else feels like this game doesn't have the feel of Ar Tonelico anymore.

I haven't played the game yet so my opinion might change after. But seriously, something feels off about this game, it might be the transition to 3D or the different art style or something.

Or the fact that Mir is not in this game, maybe.

>>7092208
I know what you mean.
I'm not really getting that Ar Tonelico vibe outside the soundtrack.

Aoto is a little too carefree too when compared to Lyner and Croix. I'm 10 hours in I believe so things might change though.

>>7092168
>In the same sense that the temperature of water in a refrigerator has nothing to do with the temperature of chicken in the same refrigerator, maybe.
Hilariously terrible analogy.

I don't know why I bothered. You're just like every other piracy supporter who gets riled up when someone asks him for actual evidence when he makes outrageous claims like "piracy helps the industry."

>>7092222
But it's not a bad game, right?

...right?

>>7092235
No No its great, I'm enjoying it.
My only complaints is the fucking battle system I don't fully understand.

And Christina Vee's voice.

>>7092231
Eh, I think it is kind of silly to say piracy is helping the industry, but people just do it because of the idiots pushing the other extreme, that somehow piracy is going to completely kill the industry. It's like saying shoplifting is going to bankrupt walmart. Yeah, it's a problem, but they know about it, and plan their business accordingly. And in that case they actually suffer a monetary loss for every product taken, here it's just a few theoretical "lost sales." Don't get me wrong, I think piracy is completely immoral, but I do not think it is going to kill the gaming industry or anything like that. That bullshit is just propaganda that EA and friends push so that they can justify putting all kinds of DRM into their software.

>>7092245
Oh, that's good. Even if it doesn't feel like Ar tonelico, so long as it's a good game, I will have no regrets.

I'd just feel terrible if I put so much money down on something and then it sucked, since there are so many other things I want to buy but don't have the money for.

>Eh, I think it is kind of silly to say piracy is helping the industry, but people just do it because of the idiots pushing the other extreme, that somehow piracy is going to completely kill the industry.
http://torrentfreak.com/internet-piracy-boosts-anime-sales-study-concludes-110203/

The evidence disagrees.

>>7092271
Oh wow, hadn't seen that. I did see a different study that showed that video game pirates were more likely to buy games than non-pirates, but I hesitated to mention it because I thought it was just the one study, so wasn't particularly reliable.

>>7092261
Yeah its a great game, especially if you enjoyed the previous two. It may not feel 100% like an AT game but the AT feeling is there.

Very good game.

>>7092271
I do have to say that while I pirate a lot of stuff, nearly all of it, I can't buy in my country.

I also buy a shit-ton of merchandise (figures, kits, etc) directly from Japan, and I wouldn't without pirating, so I don't know. Take it as you will.

Fucking USPS, FUCKKKKKKKK

Express mail and still no delivery today. Fucking incompetent shitlickers.

>>7092307
Yeah, without anime piracy, I wouldn't have my figure collection. That has to count for something.

>>7091664
Since this is a Tonelico general, anyone has that shitton of links with the songs?

>>7092026

That's exactly why you should have waited for the next thread to appear before making one yourself. Take a look at this thread, it's full of trolls, sage and offtopic faggotry all over the place. It's expected to happen really, especially with you making the thread. I'm not even sure if you got your answer I've barely even looked through this thread since it's gone completely off topic but you can probably expect a new thread later tonight.

Polite nokosage.

>>7092351
Thread wasn't derailed cause of me though.
Also I was searching for a thread since last night - no dice.

But I guess I'll just wait for everyone to get their copy.

>>7092366

But it was derailed because of you. You're a well known tripfag from /v/, the thread instantly started with people telling you leave. Either just post in the current thread (which died a few days ago and will be remade soon) or just lurk on the archive and post there (like the rest of us during thread downtime). If you don't know what the archive is then that's your own problem.

>>7092406
Wasn't derailed because of my name.
It was derailed because someone wanted me to upload it and I said no.

Didn't know how AT threads work here but I'm starting to get the idea.

>>7092416
They work well. Just ignore the troll.

>>7092447

What? How exactly am I trolling? I'm just simply telling him to stick to normal Gust/AT threads instead of making them himself. We already get enough shit as it is for making them here and having the majority of the thread be derailed is not the best start to have for a thread.

>>7092471
You were trolling by saying he derailed the thread.

>>7091700
In hard mode, it's normal for your characters to die quickly. As suggested, spam items and only really try to hit the red beats. It's also better to focus your efforts on interrupting enemies by hitstunning them when possible, and try to buy as much time as possible for your burst meter. Song magic will be your main source of damage in hard mode. I don't know what >>7091692 was smoking unless he only played hard mode on New Game+.

Pic slightly related due to there being no good big ass attack images for AT3 in my collection. Anyone care to share?

>>7092504
So am I supposed to stand around in Neutral stance until I get red beat opportunities? While trying to interrupt enemy attacks?

Also another question if you don't mind, thanks for the help.
How exactly do you purge to the next level? I've read the glossary several times but it doesn't explain it too well. I'm supposed to hold off on purging right away and then do it later or something? Or do I purge once and wait for the Purge ready sign to appear? Because that never happens. She always loses control.

>>7092484

Thread started with people telling him to get out and then it devolved into discussion of piracy once he mentioned it, I'd say he derailed the thread intentional or not. I'd suggest you read the thread before calling me a troll.

>>7092517
No, you're supposed to do your best to avoid getting your characters damaged while you wait for red beat opportunities. This means avoid getting NPCs double-teamed (they're terrible at handling that), and use hitstun-heavy special attacks when possible, especially if they have wide areas of effect.

At the start of the game you can only purge one level at a time. Hold down one of the shoulder buttons and shake up and down. These can be done as soon as the Purge Ready message appears. As you progress multi-level purges will become available, but you'll have to keep track of how many beats you've hit on your own, because it can fail even though the meter says Purge Ready.

Be careful that you don't deplete your singer's MP once purged early on in the game.

I never really got the point of multi-level purges, unless you had to delay purging for a while for some reason. It's better to purge right away for most characters since their burst rate increases once purged.

The lack of battle-themed AT3 pictures out there makes me really sad.

>>7092548
See
>>7091899
>>7091910
How about you follow your own advice? Or learn what the word derail means. The people telling him to get out were completely ignored and discussion of the game took place until one person got all mad.

>>7092576
>but you'll have to keep track of how many beats you've hit on your own, because it can fail even though the meter says Purge Ready.
Ohhhh okay thats what was going on. It says purge Ready but it always goes on control. So I guess I hit another shoulder button to do it? Not two at the same time, yeah?

Geez it doesn't even tell you all this in the glossary.

Alright thanks for the help. This was all so unclear.

>>7092576
Oh, and there might have been limits on how far you can purge that become removed as you progress through the game... It's been about a year now, so my memory is fuzzy.

>>7092612
Yeah. Apparently I can get to level 2 at the moment.
But I can't ever do it for some reason.

I guess I know why now. I hope.

>>7092594

Try reading what you just quoted. The thread was going fine - Someone asked for a copy of the game to play as their copy has not arrived and he throws out the piracy word. The thread derailed from there.

>>7092628
By the mention of the word piracy. Anon was at fault due to blowing piracy out of proportion.

It's my fault. Now shut up and discuss the game. Fuck.

>>7092653

Well apparently a new thread is being made this evening according to the archive so you may want to save discussion for that thread. Or not. Your choice, I guess.

>>7092755
Could I get a link to that archive thing?
So I can delete this thread.

>>7092787
http://archive.easymodo.net/