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And the damage taken on block from anything non spellcard is pretty laughably tiny.

what a shitload of fuck

>>707223
ASS

FUUUUCK THIS GAME IS AS HARD AS TITS

>>707223
>>707233
>>707236


Sup samefag, get out of my thread.

>>707236

Then this game is soft?

>>707243
lol no

>>707249
FUCKING ASS LOAD OF FUCK PIECE OF SHIT

>>707249

No, it's just retardedly biased to the defender who just walks into a wall all day, who can graze anything that an enemy throws at him, and thanks AGAIN to the fact that very few melee hits have blockstun, you can't start a blockstring in again.


I'm honestly confused about how this game is supposed to be played.

There's ways to go for a gaurd break either by:

1) Using 6A/3A with some characters (A is held down)

2) Throwing bullets at the enemy while they're blocking, which damages their spirit bar.

>>707213
There ARE Guard Breaks, did you tinker enough?

Usually 6[A]s and 3[A]s will change a move into a guard break; block it incorrectly and you break an orb and force them open.

Also lrn2spiritcrush

>>707268

>1) Using 6A/3A with some characters (A is held down)

Key word, SOME.

I know for a fact that it doesn't do shit all as Youmu.

>2) Throwing bullets at the enemy while they're blocking, which damages their spirit bar.

Easily grazable

>>707269

>Usually 6[A]s and 3[A]s will change a move into a guard break; block it incorrectly and you break an orb and force them open.

Reimu's 5B 5C 236C guard crushes pretty good.

YOU FAIL!

>>707281
Dash has a recover period at the end, just keep throwing bullets until that happens.

Etc.

>>707281
>I am positive Youmu cannot guard break with 6[A]

Yes. Yes she can.

>>707249

You're too soft, Youmu.

>>707299
That'd only drain maybe three orbs.

My blockstring in a corner is 5AA -> 6A -> 5B -> instant j.6A -> j.2B (fall) -> j.5A repeat

Unescapable without Border Escapes, and has almost no tax on Reimu's spirit, i.e. you can do this infinitely.

If you don't do a instant j.6A on the first available frame, however, you'll whiff short characters like Youmu or Suika.

>>707313

>>707327
STOP GIVING ME STUFF TO PRACTICE/TEASING ME WITH NETPLAY INVITES ALREADY!! I'M TRYING TO FINISH STORY MODE WITH EVERYONE!!! ;_;

>>707305

It does not work.

It's based on weather.

>>707281

>Key word, SOME.

Then you use option 2, throwing bullets at a blocking opponent.

>Easily grazable

Get close and use airtight strings that make use of bullets and melee, as Magister suggested.

>>707356
That weather causes ANY incorrectly blocked hits to crush, not just 6[A]s or 3[A]s.

I just went into practice and set Marisa to block low and crushed her five times in a row with 6[A], no weather. It does work.

She has no 3[A], but half her hits in her dial A combo hit low anyway.

>>707368
>airtight strings
/r/ Alice airtight string so I can do something else than set dolls > 5a 6a.

>>707353

I thought I was the only one who bothered to do that before netplaying.

>>707391
I don't play Alice, but I know her okizeme setups are a bitch to deal with, and I have to BE those.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JWrqPDAlpmk

>>707383

One hit is low.

And I'm discussing those who are literally walking into walls. Blocking low is almost entirely pointless in this games.

>>707414
Aren't these setups taking for granted that the opponent will tech forward?

>>707432
If you're Youmu, yeah. But if it's anyone else, they've got a 3[A].

>>707437
Yeah, they are. Maybe it's just my mindset, but since I strive to push people to corners, I try to stay out of them myself.

>>707450
If you know the other will go for retardedly awesome doll oki, I don't see how it could work. If you don't tech forward you can 8D that shit like there's no tomorrow.

>>707462

But IRC is full of retards, so yeah!

swr sucks. it has been officially butchered and raped. ask the irc why

>>707462
Why don't you just tell us so I don't have to bother them or myself?

>>707462
What, the tourneyfags baaawwwwwing?

>>707462
Don't like how it turned out?

>>707462
What's the matter? Too CASUAL FRIENDLY for you?

>>707462

7/10

I like how guarding works in SWR. It prevents fags from spamming combos in a corner that would end in an almost instantaneous win, that way, a match can last longer.

I don't play button mashing games. I like games that require at least some amount of skill, so I'd much rather play MBAC

>>707578

button mashing will get you raped in swr

>>707578
I find SWR plays a fuckload better when not mashing buttons, so I fail to see your point.

I like IaMP a whole lot, but SWR is pretty fun as long as the other person isn't being a total queer, constantly running away and spamming projectiles, making the battle a whole lot longer than it really needed to be.

SWR is as much a button mashing game as Soul Calibur is an RPG.

>>707578

Actually, I've had so many times where button mashing saved my ass in MBAC. In SWR, shit doesn't work that way. At all.

>>707588
Unless you're Reminigger, where it actually rewards you.

- Pick Remilia
- 22B/C
- 5C
- ???
- Profit!

>>707633
>>707636

Goddamn Remilia makes me rage, argh.

>>707640

Same here. She's like the new Nanaya.

>>707640
Indeed. RAGE.

>>707629
Both SWR and MBAC are button mashan at lower levels of play. Let scrubs mash if they want to, and let the big dawgs do advanced shit.

She IS the new Nanaya. Her 22b/c is like Nanaya's knife spam. Except more damaging.

>>707640

remi is god tier, deal with it

actually, Remi's like Ciel, except with Nanaya-style attacks.

At least tasofro punished Remi by leashing her inside SDM in an attempt to bore the players to death.

>>707705

On the plus side, at least it means no fucking snow level. Fuck that fucking snow.

>>707705
Yeah. That too. I get sick of playing people who just play Remi simply because I want a change of scenery.

>>707670
Whenever someone picks Remilia, I immediate cancel my Iku selection and pick Aya.

Any Remilias that I encounter in netplay get a swift thrashing from me and mai waifu. If they want to fly the fuck around and button mash A, they can do that against another CQC queen.

>>707718
I have a hard time with Aya as well (mostly the projectile+ 214B/C), but I don't think it's quite as bad as Remi.

>>707718
I should do that. I played Aya pretty much exclusively in the demo, so I know how she handles.

The only two players who really annoy me to fucking rage levels are Remilia and fucking Suika.

>>707713

I loved Remi's story. "Hmm, I feel like killing my servants. Ok they're dead. Oh hey now everyone's teleporting in to kill me, so I'll kill them too THE END"

>CQC

SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE

>>707718

I'll have to pick up Aya and try that, then. My Yuyuko always gets raped by Remilia, since her projectiles take years to come out which gives Remilia forever to 22b/c punish me. And since Yuyuko has little in the way of close combat, it feels like I can do fuckall.

>>707741
>Suika
Why? Her 6B?

>>707751
I want to know what the fuck they were thinking with Reisen's story.

Here, have the four best opponents in the game. At a higher number of spellcards than normal.

>>707741

Suika is too awesome to make me rage. I always have fun fighting Suika, and I just want to hug her.

>>707752

The tourneys are going to be nothing but Remi, Aya, Suika, with the occasional Patchi and PAD.

>>707759
Your love is stronger than your thirst to conquer. Enjoy not having to climb the endless staircase.

>>707705
yeah im seriously bored of those 2 stages, i had to turn music off aswell. i mean remi and patchys themes are good but i dont want to listen to them on repeat all day

>>707789
This is because tourneyfags are fags.

>>707789
I actually don't see much Suika or Patchi. Tonds of Sakuya, Remi, and Aya though.

I've only fought one Yukari player, like two Alice players, and no Marisas at all.

Where does Alice rank?

>>707752
>Remilia forever to 22b/c punish me
just block it and own her when she rebounds

>>707820
She always seems to do it right when I'm shooting something.

>>707817
I think she's considered mid-high rank.

>>707842

Right, and even when I block it, she bounces so far away that I can't do much.

I was initially maining Sakuya as a carryover from IaMP, but I'm starting to prefer Reisen.

>>707854

Reisen's attacks are incredibly easy to graze, and when no melee weather kicks in she becomes useless.

>>707848

If you can avoid it completely it's very punishable. Remi is a fucking whore though.

>>707862
But she's cute.

>>707862
LIES. UV field.

>>707845

If that winds up being the case, it'll be because she's difficult to use effectively, so the only people who use her will be good players in any case.

Yuyu will probably end up being Meiling tier due to being slow, and that makes me sad.

>>707884
I don't think Yuyu's going to be low tier. Her projectiles are insanely annoying just because of the sheer number and range of them.

>>707862
Reisen is built so you force them to graze then attack them midgraze.

Or that's all I could figure out on how she works.

>>707892
And she deals lots of damage in that superarmor weather or whatever its called.

>>707892
Hey, Potemkin is slow, and he's not low tier. But he has super armor, which Yuyuko doesn't ha- OH WAIT

>>707810
You won't see a lot of Marisas since they raped her broom ride attack.

GJ no longer able to graze with that.

>>707900
That's how everyone works, basically.
Either get them to graze and smack them, or get them to block and crush.

>>707903

just wait until tasoforo puts in a weather toggle, and everyone insists on turning it off. JUST WAIT

>>707912
Reisen especially so because her bullet thing is low class homing combined with a large bubble that doesn't disappear.

What I really don't get is if charging her C does anything.

>>707918
We will, because it's an instant YOU LOSE button for a good chunk of the cast.

>>707927
Reisen is tricksy. Remember that always. My preferred tactics are to use her 22B/C to get crossfire going, or to make someone graze for a melee, and using UV field with her basic projectile. And EYE LASERS.

>>707918
I hope they don't.

>>707965
I could do without no melee and super armour, but other than that, the weather kinda matters.

It's just tourneyfags who hate fun.

>>707978
>super armour
Saging this 'till the end of time~...

>>707965
Most of them can stay, since most of them are minor inconveniences. However, no melee or superarmor has to go, simply because they kill any sort of built up momentum you had at that point during the match.

>>707978
More like tourneyfags hate when luck comes into play, they want every little event to be in their control. Its Brawl and final destination all over again. I wouldn't mind the no melee and superarmor weather off my game though.

No melee isn't too bad since it forces you to play the game more as a projectile game.

Superarmor does indeed have to get curbstomed though.

The thing with weather toggling...

How would it be determined online? The host's rules take precedent over the challenger, and the loser has the picks from then on?

>>707996
I can't say I approve of SSB tourneyfaggotry, but in a contest of skill, luck really shouldn't be a big factor. Of course, you can play however the fuck you want.

>>707996
>More like tourneyfags hate when luck comes into play, they want every little event to be in their control.
Is that necessarily a bad thing? I don't see the problem as long as some sort of agreement is reached between the two people playing, and that both people actually have fun playing by the "rules".

It's just annoying when it's forced on you.

>>707996

Some of the others bother me a little (not nearly as much as superarmor) because they affect the characters unevenly. Like it may be a minor thing, but it irritates the hell out of me that the "blow you away from each other" weather ruins that one spell card of Youmu's.

>>708014
With enough skill, chancy happenings can be made use of.

Anyhow, the thing about random weather is that it's usually equally advantageous or disadvantageous to both parties.

>>708029
THAT WEATHER HAS MADE ME LOSE SO MANY TIMES.

SO MANY FUCKING TIMES.

>>708034
To the point where it becomes a two second staring match that quickly escalates into an A-button orgy.

>>708028
Well it's only my point of view. I think surprise challenges like weather constantly changing are fun "annoyances". They take you by surprise and sometimes you have to change strategy on the go. But that's just me and I would understand if people got annoyed by sudden situations that are forced into the game.

>>708034
>chancy happenings can be made use of.
That's exactly it. What if chancy happenings only happen to one of the players? Things like this are, more often than not, out of the control of players. It's hardly acceptable when you're trying to compare two person's skill. Of crouse, weather is higly debatable since as you said it affects both players, but I think you get the point.

>>707965

They will, because tourneyfags will be screaming for it in the name of having a level playing field for tourneys, and they'll probably even boycott until the toggle is in. It's fine for casual playing, but it would really suck to have a championship match decided because the game randomly decided to shut melee off, because the losing player would do nothing but whine, and the winner's victory wouldn't really be seen as legit.

I wouldn't really give a shit about that, except that a fightan gaem's popularity is determined to a good extent by its viability in tournaments, and if the tourneyfags bail, the game is pretty much dead in the water. I want to see SWR get more popular, because some of the mechanics are really fucking fun.

http://swr.mizuumi.net/index.php/Weather

Stop bitching. Controlling the weather is part of the game. If you don't want superarmor don't let it come up.

>>708095
A sad statement on fightan.

Doesnt anyone play these for fun anymore?

>>708116
No. Nowadays its like a fencing match where your life and honor is at stake. That's why I never get close to those kind of people.

EVERY FIGHTING GAME PLAYER SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO READ EVERYTHING ON WWW.SIRLIN.NET

>>708116
Not really. The RTS scene is similar. Win as fast as possible, play next game.

>>708116

Dunno, ask a Soul Calibur 3 fan.

>>708095
>>708116
A weather switch would give us the best of both worlds, really. If we want to play for fun we can leave the weather on and have a blast, and at the same time those who want a raw contest of skill can fight it out without worrying about superarmor spamfests or losing 1/3 of their moveset for no good reason.

>>708141

They don't exist.

SC1 and 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> 3

>>708162 cont.
Also, I haven't played the game very much yet, but does weather even have any effects indoors? Doesn't seem like that would make much sense.

>>708111
>When the weather timer reaches 50 during clear weather, the indicator will switch to a new random weather type, but the weather will not change to that weather type until it reaches 100. During this time (anywhere between 50-100), if either player is knocked down or is slammed against a wall the weather indicator will cycle to the next weather type.

>If the weather card is used during the time (clear weather 50-100), the weather will instantly change to whatever weather type was on the indicator at the time.

>Picking up the little red Crystal chips, which are gained by hitting your opponent that has bullets on the screeen, or knocking them down, will decrease the weather timer, prolonging the current weather condition.

WEATHER CONTROL = PART OF THE GAME.

SKILL = WEATHER MASTERY TO GET WHAT YOU WANT ALL THE TIME.

>>708141

Don't speak such a name. God, I couldn't help but shudder. Now I have to play 3rd Strike until the unclean feeling goes away.

>>708162
Let us pray players form each faction will never meet.

>>708178
It does, you just can't see the effects.
Which I suppose makes it more FUN/A BIGGER TEST OF YOUR SKILL AT MANIPULATING RANDOM WEATHER BY KNOCKING THE OTHER GUY DOWN, depending on who you ask.

>>708185
Thats why I say to all touneyfags who whine about random elements in their games. A truly skilled player should be able to quickly adapt his strategy to different situations.

I like this game but my hands hurt so much from playing...

Reisen is cute.

>>708209
The current weather is always indicated in the top center of the screen.

>>708221
You and your opponent will fight it out to see which of you two can get first. It isn't always random if people learned to play the game as it should be.

>>708209
There's kanji at the top that tell you the weather.

>>708209

If you ask me, it makes me hate Remi even more. Which should be physically impossible.

>>708221
Exactly. Which is why I never turn items off on Smash Bros.

Everybody has access to them, it's a fair match.

When you play Melty Blood, don't forget to turn off critical hits!

>>708250

Items are fun, superarmor isn't. And uneven weather effects are uneven.

>>708250
Not if they always drop over you.

>>708262
I think superarmor is fun.

>>708262
Uneven weather effects are controllable.

>>708221
The problem is that randomness usually inconveniences one player more than the other. Which is retarded for any kind of high-level play when you're trying to see who is the better person at fighting their opponent, not who is the better player at fighting the game.

>>708269
Deal with it, you faggot.

>>708272
Uneven weather effects can be forced to happen more often, or changed to another RANDOM uneven weather effect IF you have momentum already.

>>708276
Winning because of a randomly-granted benefit feels just as bad as losing because of a randomly-granted penalty.

>>708276
That's not how RAW TEST OF SKILLS work, fagsalt.

OH HEY YOU GUYS ALMOST HAD ME THINKING I WAS IN /v/ WITH ALL THIS BITCHING ABOUT TOURNEYFAGS AND WHATNOT

>>708288
Yes, it is. A game that shallow shouldn't be a judge for skill.

>>708283

But testing skill in smash brothers is stupid so yeah

>>708285
You are in /v/, asshat.

In other news, Ryu's random red hadoken in SFII was banned because it was random.

Anyone seen to be using it was kicked out of the tournament. Fags.

And this argument is why a weather toggle needs to go in (unless the 11s aren't having the argument, which I find hard to believe, since they're even more fucking insane about fighting game balance than we are, hence the continued popularity of VF). For netplay, host decides rules.

>>708291
WAVEDASHAN

Nah, I agree. It's a fun game but taking it seriously is retarded.

>>708295
They're probably LESS vehement about weather since they can actually read the indicator at the top.

I favour a toggle, simple. Keeps everyone happy. I don't play seriously enough to care, and the tourneys can play with their RAW TEST OF SKILLS fetish.

>>708304
No more wavedashan. Last I checked, the newest ADVANCED TACTICS they came up with (named after whoever found them, of course. Brace for DarkshadowlinkX canceling) were either useless or gave a retarded advantage to Lucas. but I digress, no more SSB talk on /jp/.

Real tourneys should just be two guys doing this.

http://www.steriley.com/speed/

>>708295

VF is fucking awesome.

>>708326
.243

>>708332

Yeah, but nobody in the US cares about it anymore, because it became too technical. One of the things that I like about SWR is that it seems to strike a pretty good balance between being fun for casual players and for hardcore dorks, although I could be biased due to being a touhoufag.

>>708368
.212

I would obviously beat you in fighting games therefore I win our match by default.

>>708382
I will now commit seppuku

>>708378

I can't believe faggots would rather play absolute trash like fucking MvC2 or SC3 instead. Their hands should fall off. VF forever.

>>708391

Those two aren't even half as bad as the God of Shit: Killer Instinct. Mortal Kombat II was crap, too, but it had the redeeming factor of pissing parents off.

>>708391
SC3 is shit, but MvC2 has the "THERE'S SO MUCH SHIT ONSCREEN OH GOD WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING?!" thing going for it.

Playwise it's crap though.

>>708553
3 characters simultaneously executing super moves. Oh yeah.

>>708507

Hey now, you're being a little harsh on KI. At least it didn't spawn a bunch of successively more horrible sequels like MK. Plus, Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero. Need I say more? Fucking crime against humanity.

Though really, broken as it is, I love Mortal Kombat II.
Not that I play it a lot, or.. well, at all. But there's something about just knowing it's there.

>>708378
>One of the things that I like about SWR is that it seems to strike a pretty good balance between being fun for casual players and for hardcore dorks

I really don't hear much of the 'hardcore' being pleased about this game. In fact they seem pretty pissed off about it.

>>708599

From what I can tell, they're mostly pissed about the weather, and there's already a hack that disables it, although you have to edit the .exe.

>>708631

Holy shit, there is? Link please. FUCK YOU SUPERARMOR YOU WON'T BOTHER ME NO MORE

>>708647

http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=994.0

>>708631
Weather is by far the worst of it, yes, but it's not everything.

But all the evasive shit isn't good either, and by that I mean flight, border escapes, and wrongblock pushback. It seriously dilutes the mixup game by reducing situational advantage/disadvantage. That's a real big turnoff for the 'hardcore'.

>>708553

>SC3 is shit, but MvC2 has the "THERE'S SO MUCH SHIT ONSCREEN OH GOD WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING?!" thing going for it.

God I hate Cable.

>>708763
VIPER BEEM

>>708653
In the future, fighting games will be ddr.

>>708808
You mean Rock-Paper-Scissors.

On a dance pad.

>>708833
Not just RPS. RPS-25 On a dancepad filled with explosives.

>>708856
Nuke beats all?

>>708870
Not really. Apparently bowl can kick it's ass.

>>708880
As can sponge.

It's a well known fact among nuclear physicists that a kilogram of bowls and sponges can contain a 30 megaton nuclear blast.

>>708856
Also, if I'm reading this right, apparently wolves can beat nukes.

>>708898
SCIENCE!

>>708898
I think the sponge sucks up the explosion and the bowl is just there so the sponge isnt on the ground. It would get dirty and that lowers it's ability to suck up nukes.

>>708856

is the hand gesture for man what i think it is?

>>708908
It's 2 legs and a penis.

>>708898
It's well-known amongst chemists that paper can be transformed into diamond: "the hardest metal known to man".

I thought the purpose of nuke was to beat every other hand, but if more than one guy picks nuke then they get eliminated and everyone else survives.

>>708911
It's well-known amongst zoologists that wolfs eat pure energy produced by obliterating atoms.

>>708856
Why does woman beat man? THAT'S NOT HOW THINGS WORK IN MY KITCHEN!

Wow, Sponge is actually a badass.

Beats Nukes, Dynamite, Guns, Lightning, the Devil, and Dragons.

>>708929
Fuck i need to stock up on sponges for Armagedon!

>>708935
If snakes and wolves attack, you're screwed

>>708929
but they're fucked if fire

http://www.umop.com/rps101/rps101chart.html

AHHHHHHH

>>708943
>Sponge
>cleans nuke
wat

>>708943
>Wolf- Outruns dynamite

Fucking fast wolf

>>708962
Dynamite can't run, can it?

>>708943
Gun - Shoots sun

>>708960
Lol. Butter.

http://www.umop.com/rps101/89.htm

>>708960
Yeah. I figured RPS-25 would lend itself better to an imageboard.

ITT CAUSAL FAGS