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Power of friendship xD

look like these guys are having fun

>>7053234

I don't think it's even that, though obviously that's a big part of it. It think it's the power not to give into despair, which is also a theme in Umineko.

have you tried to look up the 'True' ending of Higurashi?

Umineko is just bad.

>>7053234

loooOOOoool

The problem isn't that the ending is happy, it's the part where a bunch of kids take down a highly trained mercenary group with some goofy traps in the forest. I was half expecting them to rip a mask off Takano and reveal that she was actually their homeroom teacher in disguise.

"And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
"Don't forget about the ghost!"
"Hany-hanyuuuuuuuuuu!"

>>7053352

>bunch of kids

Bunch of psycho murderous kids with probably 100 of years of murdering experience between their multiple lives.

>>7053354
KILLER LOLI XD
No, it doesn't work that way

>>7053352
Higurashi was really a really long episode of Scooby Doo in disguise!

>>7053422
Fred = Satako

Man, check out that sweet rolling. Those guys really have style.

>>7053422

>Whole show was a bad shroom trip that Shaggy had. Rika is Shaggy.
>Hanyuu was Scooby Doo
>Rena was Fred
>Mion was Velma
>Shion was Daphne
>Sakoto was Scrappy Doo

>>7053422

Scooby Dooby Hauu~!

>>7053445
Goddamnit! Give us warning before doing that! The mental image almost gave me a cardiac arrest!

>>7053352
it's like when the ewoks fought off the stormtroopers in star wars whatever

>>7053352
My suspension of disbelief was going to complain about that part, but it fell into a hole covered with sticks and leaves and never got the chance.

i liked the ending even though i never understood why the hell did they go to this forest in the end.

>>7053507
Because it was their area, they know everything about that forest and against foreign invaders it was tehir best bet.
Also Satoko had a shitton of traps there so, why not?

>>7053534
well, maybe its because i last saw it sometime ago and don't remember well, but i thought by the time they went to the forest to take on some guys, the situation was more or less under control so couldnt they just go hide and let the police do the rest ?

>>7053562
The police at that moment was a small village one, along with Akasaka against an expert operations group.
If you can lure them and catch their leader, Takano, better,

>>7053562
>saw
Just get out.
And no, it wasn't under control. They had to survive until it would.

Maybe some of you forgot that Satoko's hill/forest area or whatever contained many years of work by her and it was not set up solely for fending off the yamainu. It was her testing grounds where she used her time to build ever more deadly traps. Also, the yamainu are a counter-intelligence force not intended primarily for combat. It wouldn't surprise me that many of their members only went through the equivalent of basic training. With these things considered and the fact that Matsuribayashi-hen was supposed to be a perfect kakera I don't find the ending any more outlandish than the rest of the main plot.

>>7053352

They spent a decent amount of time explaining why the mercs could believably lose, though:

-They couldn't use live ammo due to the sound and thus had to use gimpy taser guns (which in turn meant that the kids could be more aggressive)
-They weren't all that elite, relatively speaking (recall all the talk about how that other military unit would wipe the floor with them,) and on top of that were rusty from years of dicking around in the country
-The kids had a homefield advantage in very hostile terrain- ask anyone who's tried to invade Afghanistan with superior numbers/firepower how big a deal that can be.
-The Yamainu underestimated the resistance they'd get

If it was just some Home Alone bullshit + LOL POWER OF FRIENDSHIP I'd agree that it would be hard to believe, but the kids had pretty much every conceivable advantage in that fight short of real weapons.

>>7053568
yes, since small village police < a group of six kids without any weapons

Loved higurashi. Don't give a fuck what other faggots think.

>>7053599
>Also, the yamainu are a counter-intelligence force not intended primarily for combat. It wouldn't surprise me that many of their members only went through the equivalent of basic training.

Yeah, they're a 'make someone disappear without a trace in the middle of the night' unit, not an 'assault a fortified position on a mountain covered in trees' unit.

>>7053616
this

>>7053476

How about this; Flintstones no Naku Koro ni

YABA DABA Hauu~

>>7053195

The reason Higurashi's ending was shit is because throughout the entire show, we were lead to believe that the culprit would be either supernatural or human. The same "fantasy vs. mystery" question is posed to us in Higurashi that is posed to us in Umineko. The question of Oyashiro's existance is exactly synonymous with this question; in other words, when you think "fantasy vs. mystery in Higurashi", the first thing you think of is probably, "does Oyashiro/ magic exist?"

Nobody liked Higurashi's ending because it was so misleading... while the answer to what was going on (the conflict over Hinamizawa syndrome) is technically a non-magical conclusion, the disease itself was fictional. Nobody would have possibly guessed "Hinamizawa syndrome" when they were trying to put the puzzle together. Luckily for fans of Umineko, Ryukishi actually recognized the huge error he made when he wrote in Hinamizawa syndrome and was able to fully understand his mistake before writing Umineko. Lamda also makes fun of Hinamizawa syndrome in Umineko, so there's your proof. Also, Oyashiro actually exists, despite that the culprit is a human, and magic exists too, despite that we were lead to believe that it would either be fantasy or reality. It's bullshit, it's all bullshit!

>>7053982
not really

>>7053982
>Nobody liked Higurashi's ending
>implying you are everyone

also it's not magic, it's how universe works

>>7053982
And then he made everything a dream for not just Umineko, but Higurashi as well!

Great way to fix things.

>>7054016
the hell you talking about?

>>7053982
It's more. You have to guess not only the syndrome, but also the existence of a great government conspiracy with a military units deployed, from a relatively few hints. Which is kind of paranoiac and seems too crazy. Without this you'd be stuck suspecting Sonozaki's, because they are the only ones in the area with a power to do something like that.

>>7054035
Absolutely everything that we saw happen in Umineko was just Amnesiac Battler's delusions. Higurashi was long since confirmed to be a fictional book series that Battler drew inspiration from for Bernkastel and Lambdadelta.

>>7054037
are you kidding me? i watched anime first and even then i was suspecting it has something to do with higher ups when i saw men i suits and it was in Onikakushi

>>7054049
ahaha, 2 months have passed and people still repeat that?
this is both funny and unfunny

>>7054050
It can easily be explained without world conspiracies, especially considering that you're dealing with crazy people. And especially when you aren't watching anime.

I don't think you're meant to be able to solve Higurashi though. I think it was intended to be a horror/suspense thing. It didn't really have a layout of a Murder Mystery even if that's what wikipedia calls it. It's a Murder Mystery alrighht, just not the kind you can solve.

>>7053195
I was more offended by quality trees during the driving scene.

Can we just admit that Higurashi and Uminekos are LOW TIER SHIT? No, seriously, I don't know how retarded you should be to actually enjoy this bullshit. Well, maybe it's enjoyable for some fags without any experience of literature.

>>7054379
I will freely admit that you are a moron.

>>7054379
>literature
>porn games

>>7054558
>Umineko/Higurashi
>porn

Durr, you're being ironic, /jp/ sucks, etc.

>>7054568
>White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ

Oh look, it's a boy! Fanboy!

>>7053352
>highly trained mercenary group

It was actually just a bunch of electronic recon or something guys with basic combat training, nothing more.

>>7054579
I never finished either of them. The fact is that they aren't porn games. The difference is unapparent to the autistic like you, I guess.

>>7053291
The Matsuri ending isn't the true ending. It wasn't even written by Ryukishi. Beope simply went "it's grimdark so it must be the *real* ending".

And the people saying it was more "realistic" because Hanyuu sacrifices herself to save Takano's life, did you forget the part that Keichi starts acting like he's in the Matrix and goes around dodging bullets? How's that realistic?

The only flaw of Matsuribayashi-hen I though was that the scene in the forest shouldn't have been played that much for laughs. But don't forget that Okonogi was about to kill them all when the Banken arrived, so the kids didn't really win by themselves.

>>7053291
The Matsuri ending isn't the true ending. It wasn't even written by Ryukishi. People simply went "it's grimdark so it must be the *real* ending".

And the people saying it was more "realistic" because Hanyuu sacrifices herself to save Takano's life, did you forget the part that Keichi starts acting like he's in the Matrix and goes around dodging bullets? How's that realistic?

The only flaw of Matsuribayashi-hen I though was that the scene in the forest shouldn't have been played that much for laughs. But don't forget that Okonogi was about to kill them all when the Banken arrived, so the kids didn't really win by themselves.

>>7053352
This post made me smile so the rest of the thread is forgiven.

You know what it's amazing, the ending

was foreshadowed in ep iii. "I bet Satoko can take down a whole ploton in these moutain"[(spoiler]

>>7054350
Watch the DVD version. They fixed the animation.

>>7053982
You thought that the ending of Umineko was satisfying? At least with Higurashi everything happened within the context of the story.

And there were while the disease idea wasn't immediately apparent you could assume that drugs were involved which is what in a way killed Tomitake as well as the idea of a government conspiracy from Onikakushi-hen. In the end the story of Higurashi is a mystery framed with supernatural elements.

I like Higurashi ending, i mean the part after the ending, the one with Hanyuu etc.

Yes, the part in the forest was a trainwreck, but i
-it was better in the novel
- it's not really worse than many action scenes in many vns (F/SN, Tsukihime, Swan Song? Hello?)

I really stopped caring halfway the scene and enjoyed the ride

>>7053982

Or meta exist and everything we saw really happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8rNIKCg9zI

The only good VN ever created was SnU; everything else is shit when compared to a decent book.

>>7055095
>Saya no Uta
>only good VN ever created

By the logic in this thread, all we really need to do is pick out a $5 paperback and copy the text into VN format, add some sprites and sounds and we'll have the greatest VN plot ever devised.

>>7055116
>Toohoo
>>7055133
You're pretty much correct; depressing, huh?

Higurashi's ending was logically consistent, and more importantly it was fucking awesome. People are just mad because the solution was too hard.

>>7055095
Ever17 at least deserves some mention for pulling one over on the player, especially considering it took advantage of it's medium so well.

I'm going to have to assume you're a troll, seeing as on a board mainly related to VNs, that's a pretty loaded statement.