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because you play as Rin

Because it's actually not. Reading Rin's monologue was so boring, I almost dropped the game.

Is this your first playthrough? UBW route is good all the way through. First forced route with boring Saber is pretty shitty until the end. Heavens feel is meh.

I've only played each route in F/SN once, so I'm no expert on it anyways. Tsukihime was more to my liking.

>>7040065
I like your style

>>7040064
>Because it's actually not. Reading Rin's monologue was so boring, I almost dropped the game.

0/10

Prologue: You are introduced to a cute, but believable and expert magi,she summons her badass servant. Her dialogs are cool and her chemistry with the servant is very good. Shit gets real soon

F/SN: KITCHEN TIME

Rin should've been the playable character the whole time.

>>7040065
>Heavens feel is meh.

0/10

Sakura is the superior heroine. No arguing.

inb4 slut[/spoiler

]>>7040081
>KITCHEN TIME

Plenty of VNs (and anime) have drawn-out cooking scenes. It appears to be a hugely integral part of Japanese culture for some reason.

>>7040081
The last ten or so minutes were pretty good too, along with the whole Hercules mess. Kitchen time is only boring during Sabers route.

>>7040116

Well that spoiler failed utterly.

>>7040107
I disagree. The part as Rin was so boring. I couldn't wait to get reading as Shirou.

>>7040107
>>7040107
You mean that poor bastardized copy of Akiha?

>>7040132

Don't compare the shitty tsundere called Rin to MAI Akiha

>>7040132

All of Nasu's characters are copies of his earlier characters. He builds on the same archetypes throughout his stories.

This is why Rin is a more solid character than Akiha. The only thing the latter really has going for her is her crazymode and we only get to see that for like twenty minutes.

Those twenty minutes were the only good part of Tsukihime.

>>7040117
You mean HF.
Along with just about any scene that had Sakura is in.
Oh well, at least it redeemed it self with that ending, Sparks Liner High. Shirou finally proving his worth, and willing to push himself all the way to the limit , no holding back, if it meant he could save someone. His last line was great too.
Though the fact that it just left off with Saber going, "I wonder, can you save her in time Rin?" was sort of annoying.

>>7040130
Go back to spamming Kuroko

>>7040142

This is why UBWfags are scum.

only good part of the prologue was all the lancer service.

>>7040155
>lancer service.
Exactly why UBW > Fate > HF
Or it may be Fate > UBW > HF. I can't remember which was better in terms of Lancer. I mean UBW had that whole sequence starting from the Castle, but Fate had that "Oh sorry, Gilgamesh, my hand slipped" bit.
Shame we didn't get the original plan with Saver or maybe we could've gotten a full blown Lancer route.

>>7040155
Lancer was infinitely more GAR than Archer. Damn good character, wish he had more spotlight.

So one character who barely appear can tip the balance between routes.
Well I guess it show that FSN just isn't that good of a game.

>>7040175

Wait about ten years for F/HA then.

>>7040145

Akiha is a character, not a shitty archetype with no character development or progression whatsoever, a bitchy aptitude with zero dere moments and that only serves as an giant talking encyclopedia for all the game.

And this, my friends, it's the truth about Rin.

>>7040172
UBW was lancers best show, though as much as I like the guy I wouldn't want to be on the receiving side of his gae bolg.

Also if they made Cu a girl I think I would have flown to Japan just to kick nasu in the balls.

So lancer route was out of the question.

I would however accept dp'ing bazette route.

>>7040181
>So one character who barely appear can tip the balance between routes.
So naive Anon.
So so naive.

>>7040116
>What are opinions?

>>7040117
>Implying kitchen time during HF wasn't even more boring because it was literally just a retread of earlier kitchen times, Shirou angsting, and backstory that could have been included in supplemental material

>>7040145
Pretty much this. It's easily seen as early as KnK.

>>7040193
>Also if they made Cu a girl I think I would have flown to Japan just to kick nasu in the balls.
>So lancer route was out of the question.
Did you completely misunderstand what he meant by Saver?

>>7040195
>And this, my friends, it's the truth about Rin.
Ok so, we're basically ignoring her entire conflict with magi vs human nature, her trying to live up to the Tohsaka name, her developing feelings for someone she realizes has a stupid ideal, and her becoming more warm in the ending and shedding her 'perfect' image.

This my friends, is a prime example of a Rin hater. I would call you a Sakura-fag, but that's just being mean.

>>7040198
>What are opinions?

Nah bro, Sakura really IS superior. You're just jellymad because Rin only got one H-scene in her route and Sakura got like thirty.

>>7040132
They're not even that similar.
>>7040195
You either didn't even read the VN or are illiterate. Rin had plenty of character development and was more dere than tsun after a while. She was only harsh with Shirou when he was being an idiot and deserved it.

>>7040202
Thats why I said I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of his penis.

Playing fate as a girl would have been weird.

>>7040232
You're trying awfully hard to make me rage.
I'm a Saber-fag.

Don't mind me just waiting for Caster route patched in any day now. Yep, any day now.

>>7040249
Don't worry, it'll happen in the Fate Remake in 10 years, just like how the Sacchin route ewas added in the Tsukihime Remake!

Fate - 5/10 boring as shit route but I give it some points for having the best fight scene (Saber vs Rider when you first see Excalibur)

UBW - 7/10 better than Fate and has the best heroine but nothing special

HF - 3/10 boring shit with the worst heroine

Overall, pretty boring game.
Product of gay fans of the anime and 中二病 fags getting excited over cheesy fight scenes and one-dimensional protagonist.
This is why Index (the anime) is also shit.

>>7040234
>Rin
>character development
She has no character development. She is a one dimensional mary sue wish fulfillment garbage slut. Enjoy your whore

>>7040248

Wait, you're lying. There are no Saberfags because everyone hates the Fate route.

I was a Saberfag before HF too.

>>7040249
>>7040254
;_;

>>7040259
>because everyone hates the Fate route
Nope.

>>7040260
>mary sue
You clearly don't even know what that term means, please stop using it.

>>7040249
Isn't it sad, anon?

>>7040248
Saber fan master race, in my /jp/?

The Sakura and Rin fans seem to automatically assume that if your favourite character isn't their slut of choice, it must be the other one.

>>7040266
Oh look Sudo is mad again because his slutty mary sue got called out for what she is.

>A Mary Sue (sometimes just Sue), in fanfiction, is a fictional character with overly idealized and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as a wish-fulfillment fantasy for the author or reader.
>fictional
yes
>overly idealized
yes
>hackneyed mannerisms
Yes
>lacking noteworthy flaws
Yes
>wish-fulfillment fantasy
Super yes

That settles that

>>7040266
You aren't thin enough to criticize others, Sudo.

Lose about three hundred pounds.

>>7040257
>中二病

You know, there are people who like that stuff on its own merits (being imaginative if paradoxically unoriginal and simply fun to read) right?

>>7040257
Saber vs Rider was pretty boring. The entirety of the Hercules fight starting from escape from the castle to returning home was the best chunk in the entirety of the Fate route

>>7040132
>You mean that poor bastardized copy of Akiha?
Playing as a fake Akiha will always beat playing as a real !Akiha.

>>7040275
Try reading (>>7040208) before you make even more of a fool out of yourself. Rin isn't overly idealized. She has several flaws, and if she was "wish fulfillment" she wouldn't even have a tsun side.
>>7040276
I wouldn't exist if I lost that much weight.

>>7040286
That's not the scene in the basement of the church, where Shirou has his revelation.

>>7040291
>doesn't think tsunderes are wish fulfillment
You really are autistic

>>7040283
You will never have a cute, half-demon imouto whose sole wish is to forever be with you and make you happy.

Your life is a wretched existence which will meet its end in a maw of absolute despair.

>>7040145
>All of Nasu's characters are copies of his earlier characters

None of the Tsukihime characters are, except for maybe Akiha (see Azaka).

>>7040275

The term "mary sue" has been overused to the point where it is no longer applicable. Please leave.

>>7040272
>The Sakura and Rin fans seem to automatically assume that if your favourite character isn't their slut of choice, it must be the other one.

That's because it's usually true.

>>7040260
First of all you mean two-dimensional, things that are one-dimensional only exist as a mathematic theory. Secondly, a two-dimensional mary sue would still be a pleonasm. Next time you start criticizing characters atleast try to sound less stupid.

>>7040297
The entire revalation was silly. What kind of idiot Would choose a bunch of people he's never met over having a wish for himself? Lucky I chose not to save them for my selfish reasons though, that would have been a bad end since the goblet of fire was cursed anyways.

>>7040291
>I wouldn't exist if I lost that much weight.

Do you promise?

>>7040280
Well for some reason I just can't stand it. It gives me shivers because I find settings like this extremely cheesy.
>>7040286
It was the scene that left the biggest impression on me. I don't even remember any of the other fight scenes.

>>7040306
You're trying too hard.

>>7040303
>That's because it's usually true.
More like it's the same two people arguing Sakura vs Rin in every FSN thread.

>>7040301
Speaking of Akiha
>Heroine only contains one true ending, with another "normal" end.
No good end for Akiha has still pained me for all these years. That and the lack of Illy H scenes. Why would they do that.

>>7040302
Azaka, Akiha, and Rin are all based of of Aoko according to Nasu.

He cannot go one work without including Aoko.

>>7040302

Kohaku's true personality is identical to that of the BEEENNNNNNDDDD bitch, who was also later reused for Sakura.

Arcuied is very similar to Ryougi's male personality, George Nakata shows up in both stories, Tohno and Kokutou are the same fucking character... there's even a proto-Arihiko who shows up about twice.

>>7040314
She got an expanded okay end in kagetsu, deal with it.

>>7040257
You are too harsh
Fate: 6/10
Suffer from being the first route and therefore have to introduce lots of things and unfortunately Nasu love to walloftext for his expositions, Saber's story had potential but it was badly presented and expended.
Overall very bland but readable

UBW: 7.5/10
The Caster arc was pretty terrible but everything after that wasn't bad at all.
This route really shed light on Shirou's character which is the most interesting thing about the game but the whole dilema with Archer felt like it could have been done better. Not bad.

HF: 7/10
In this route it feels like Nasu both had too much and too little ambition.
Him trying to show a darker and more morally ambiguous side of the war was welcome and pretty interesting.
But it also felt like in the end he took the easy way out so the "morally ambiguous" theme felt pretty shallow in the end.

In the end it's a pretty straightforward eroge but Nasu did try to do something pretty interesting with Shirou, whether he failed or not is in question though.
Being an eroge and therefore for "adults" he could have done a bit less 王道 and show things with more shades of gray but I guess lots of people like straightforward story like this, for people like me there are stuffs like Muramasa or Coμ I guess

I didnt personally have a preference in terms of routes. They all had their ups and downs (although the second two had a bit more action in them, meanwhile the first one just seemed like saber fanservice). I suppose I liked the second two routes because shirou wasnt being babied by saber and ends up facing some hard choices.

For example, saber gets taken from shirou in the second two routes which bitch slaps him back to reality, forcing him to actually do something.

In terms of characters, I liked shirou rin and saber the most (mostly since those three actually showed personality). Oh, and Illya too... she seemed like one of the more tragic characters in the game. Archer seemed like more of a mentor type character to me, since he was always someone actually helping shirou (even though he wanted to kill shirou...derp). Lancer, I admit was a cool character, but didnt really get enough screentime. Gilgamesh was a goddamn broken record. Castor was another tragic-ish character with an extreme lack of screentime. Shinji was a completely useless twit.

As for sakura, I always hear that shes the true heroine and blah blah blah blah. I still hate her. Yes, I know that she was raped and tortured as a child, but even so she just seems like too weak/chirpy of a character. She apparently has a complex where she thinks everything is out to get her. So what does she do? "OH WELL, BETTER GIVE IN TO THE DARKNESS AND KILL EVERYONE AND BECOME THE MAIN BADDIE". I dunno, she just felt like a really linear character to me, and a weak one at that.

>>7040298
Oh look, you have no argument so you're pulling the "autism" card. I don't argue with meme-spewing idiots, so I'm not going to bother replying to you anymore.
>>7040310
Yes, so I'm not going to lose it.

>>7040323
Autism isn't a meme in your case, you're are notorious for being one of the most autistic people on the board in the medical sense. And tsunderes are wish fulfillment, stop being an idiot

>>7040307
>Would choose a bunch of people he's never met over having a wish for himself?
Did you miss the fact that entire point of Shirou's character was that he was broken as a "normal" person due to past trauma?

>Tohno and Kokutou are the same fucking character

Nope.avi

If you say something like that, it's not even worth discussing this with you.

>>7040331
Not to defend sudo, but most eroge heroines are wish fulfillment.

>>7040323
lulz autism EPIC WIN meme XD

>>7040320
Fate: 5/10
Introduces too much shit, pacing is awful, repetitive as balls. Story is ok.

UBW: 6/10
A little bit more interesting but again it's too repetitive and not worth the length

HF: 7/10
Nice way to wrap up the game but it doesn't particularly excel at anything

Overall: 6.5/10
Not worth the length, repetitive, and horrible eroge. Heroines were all awful.
Nasu did a good job building a cool world, but outside of that there is no more merit to the game.

>>7040351
>Nasu did a good job building a cool world

And that is all that matters in a chuuni game.

>>7040331
>you're are notorious for being one of the most autistic people on the board in the medical sense
Only among idiots such as yourself who aren't even aware of what the word actually means. I've been to two psychiatrists and a few therapists, I'm not autistic.

>>7040379
>I've been to two psychiatrists and a few therapists, I'm not autistic.

>>7040379
>I've been to two psychiatrists and a few therapists

Shouldn't you be seeing a plastic surgeon for your weight problem, instead? Or maybe a gastrointestinal doctor for a stomach clamp or staple job.

>>7040317
>Arcuied is very similar to Ryougi's male personality

WTF am I reading? No he is not. Arcueid has a girly personality, her mannerisms are those of a woman. Just because Male!Ryougi is cheerful doesn't mean they have similar personalities. Boyish =/= girly.

>>7040334
Yeah I did, but I acted as I would have, not as he would have.

>>7040386
If I actually had a weight problem I probably would.

Why is Sudo such a shitposter who ruins perfectly nice threads?

>>7040446
I wonder.

>>7040446
>he hasn't filtered me yet!

>>7040478
rofl i luv using greentext to ironically shitpoast XD

>>7040527
Shitposting is a pretty cool word. It can be used to describe pretty much anything you don't like!

>>7040547
Sarcasm and irony are pretty cool words. They can be used to describe pretty much anything that makes you look like an idiot!

Every thread that Sudo posts in becomes shit because there are people who make it their life's objective to troll him and he can't just ignore them like the idiot he is.

I'm also stopping by to say:

Fate/LE: Pretty good route, but suffers from being the 'first' route. Sets up everything nicely, has a healthy mix of character development/battles, and Shirou actually had a good epiphany or realization int he basement. Ending was tragic, and LE was a clusterfuck, but still satisfying. 7/10

UBW: Best paced route and isn't really Rin's route as much as it's Shirou/Archer's. Points out the flaws in his ideal more clearly and is entertaining in terms of battles. 8/10

HF: Amazing ending, but everything else was ho-hum. Tried to be grimdark, but only isolated most viewers. Heroine was pretty much 1-dimensional and set up as a pity character, which left a bad taste in my mouth. 5/10

>>7040615
LE?

>>7040622
Last Episode.