/jp/ - Otaku Culture

What? A government enforced bandwidth cap?

Let's get this shit started.

>Canada

>>6889258
Actually, let's not.

i'm canadian and what is this

Soon the internet won't be worth our time anyway

>>6889276
Stop saying that, even if it is true.

Fellow Canadians,

The CRTC has approved METERED BILLING for ALL Canadian internet service providers. Starting March 1st, you will have a cap of 25 gigs, that means no more anything unless you want to pay through the nose.

Sign the petition, make yourself heard

http://openmedia.ca/meter
http://www.antiubb.com/what-can-i-do/

For just another 55 CAD you can have a 100 GB cap!!! Ain't life grand?

>>6889286
Hahahahahahaha

>>6889283
It is true. The US seems hell bent on ruining internet freedom, but since the average dumb fuck american doesn't care about anything but facebook and youtube there will be absolutely no resistance. I really hope I die soon

Sometimes laws like this makes me feel good for being born in a shit hole where no one gives a fuck about the interbutts.

I would say "lol canada" but the US government would do the same thing in a heartbeat (only make that 10GB a month) if it weren't so incompetent

>>6889286
>online petition

More money for the ISPs, who won't spend it on anything that would benefit their customers. Fuck I love capitalism

I don't see how people are exceeding these caps. If you download 5 gigs a week for four weeks, that's still only 20 gigs. Most of the time, the things you download are less than one gig.

>>6889317
In the US it would be individual internet providers who do it. Since most internet providers have the monopoly in their areas, there is absolutely nothing people can do but take the dicks in their ass or just not have internet.

For those who don't know, Bell petitioned the CRTC (Canada's Television and Telecommunications Regulatory Agency) to allow them to charge usage based billing. So now anyone using Bells service will have to pay per byte of internet usage. There are a number of smaller providers in Canada who buy bandwidth from Bell who before were able to give unlimited plans. Now as Bell is allowed to charge insane rates to them they are forced to pass the cost on to their customers so pretty much everywhere in Canada rates are shooting up and download limits are being effectively capped at around 20-30 gigs per month. Starting March 1st a bunch of new rates and fees are going into effect that look like this:

Ontario:

Lite Residence – cap of 2GB, $2.13 charge per GB if you go over your 2GB to a maximum charge of an extra $51.00/month

Lite Plus Residence is the same as above

Basic Residence – cap of 25GB, $1.70 charge per GB if you go over 25GB to a maximum of $51.00/month

That's for DSL, 60g is the cap for cable. Fuck this shit. Instead of upgrading the aging IT infrastructure they pull this bullshit out, what the fuck. I want to hate them all dead.

I'll vote for any government that will kill the CRTC.

>>6889330
VNs like Majikoi are 8GB. That's almost 1/3rd of your monthly quota.

Seriously, I've talked to quite a few people with shitty caps and they're always rationing their bandwidth. It's a problem when you start thinking, "How many series can I follow this season?" or "Is this game worth my bandwidth?".

Feels good having unlimited bandwith, only 20 euro a month for 5-10mb/s actual download speed.

>>6889298

Good. One less faggot in this great nation of ours.

US will have this soon and they will use Canada and wireless data usage based billing as justification

>>6889298
Because the United States is Canada...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

>>6889330
See that C79 thread? The torrent in that thread is 127 gigs alone.

>>6889307

Same here, nobody gives a shit, we don't even have good laws against CP on the internet.

>>6889317

But shit like Netflix and other stuff that gets streamed is being promoted like crazy. There is no way there can be a cap for us.

>>6889350
I'd rather have this than "whoops your ISP doesn't want you visiting these websites. blocked!" bullshit. Of course we will probably have both eventually, so fuck

Imagine you are on a plan with your ISP that allowed for up 200 gigs or Unlimited usage. Now imagine that plan is now 25 gigs for the same price:

http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1622170~b9dce804f22022103107edea23e17b53/UBB-Notice-5Mbps.pdf

>>6889358

I meant a cap that small for us.

>>6889346
Guess you'll have to pay sixteen dollars for it now.

While it sucks ass to have to pay more to download, honestly, it only makes sense. Right now people who download a couple dozen MB a week are paying the same as the ones who downloaded a hundred gigs even though one person obviously put a lot more load on the system than the other.

>>6889307
There are several countries where law projects regarding copyright violations are being developed.

The central point of said projects is granting the ISPs the ability to deny access to any webpage that violates any kind of copyright, and even start legal processes against the owner of the pages and the people who refuse to stop downloading copyright-protected files.

so, don't worry, it will eventually get to your country.

Files will just keep getting bigger and bigger. Within a decade you will need to pay hundreds of dollars a month for even the simplest things

Here is an idea.
Instead of sitting around and bitching and moaning, which results in nothing being done, how about you email your government officials. Do you know how the Twenty Sixth ammedment to the Constitution came into being (the one that allows you to vote at 18)? Student Activism. Yes, this was put into law because of people like you and me protesting and actually talking to our government officials. So instead of whining on /jp/, call or email the government. Believe it or not, they do listen.

>>6889346
>"How many series can I follow this season?"
I don't think he downloads videos if he can ask with a straight face how anybody could exceed 25 GB in a month.

>>6889383
Hahahaha you think the opinion of the people matters in government.

Huh? I already have a cap so this isn't applying to me.

Right?

>>6889367
Except that it costs Bell pennies to provide that service and is now allowed to charge hundreds to thousands of times more. All the major ISPs in Canada are also cable companies you see and they are all behind these insane bandwidth caps because it kills any attempt at anyone using high bandwidth streaming services and pushing their customers back to using Cable and their own streaming and On-Demand television services.

Netflix was only recently introduced in Canada and just before it became available Rogers (one of the major ISPs) dropped the caps on all of it's plans by 10-15 gigs.

>a maximum charge of an extra $51.00/month
Get the cheapest plan, download a couple of TB a month.

>commonwealth nations
>internet

>>6889367
There are different packages you can get from the ISP. Ranging from 20gb-75gb to unlimited from some independent ISP.

Basically it would be trivially easy for ISPs to give people better service for less money, but because that would shave 3% or so off their profits they would rather fuck people over, because there is nothing anyone can do about it.

I feel sorry for you mates, hope everything goes well.

>>6889396
If you highly exceed your cap they give you are warning and then cut off your service and ban you from making use of their ISP afterward.

The internet is dying, no big shock.

>>6889389
There is plenty of evidence to support my claim that yes, opinion does matter. Fucking Google it like I just did and you'll find shit.

>>6889410
It's simply not possible that you couldn't pay for more bandwidth if you wanted to. It makes no business sense, eiter.

>>6889390
It does.

>>6889396
If you highly exceed your cap they give you a warning and then cut off your service and ban you. Enjoy not being able to get any internet after being banned from the few providers you live by.

when it gets to the point I can no longer watch anime or collect pictures of my waifu without paying a ton of money I'll probably kill myself. I already hate my life and that would be the last straw

>>6889389

They will start caring if you start throwing molotov bombs inside goverment buildings.

Hopefully that means you Canadians will legitimately buy your eroges now.

>>6889402
I don't get it

>>6889430
Yep I'm sure the handful of people who actually care about this protesting them will make them change their mind. Face it, your average person doesn't give a fuck as long as they can get to their facebook page

either switch providers, move to the US, or shut the fuck up. whining on the internet never solves anything.

>>6889384
A season is around 3-4 Gigabytes, right? And that's if you download it all at once. If you only download a couple episodes in a week, that isn't going to exceed it.

>>6889437
Yeah, because that's all normalfags every do on the internet. They never stream music or video, and certainly would never do anything like play videogames, or god forbid, work on software engineering projects from home.

>>6889440
>either switch providers

That's simply not possible in most areas

>move to the US

Yeah because it's so much better here. Boy I sure love comcast!

Isn't 25GB...enough for a month? I mean, it's not like you're downloading PS3 games all the time.

>>6889447
You say that, but I bet you just refresh 4chan all day.

>>6889448
Switch to Verizon or AT&T. They have some pretty good internet options.

>>6889447
>They never stream music or video
I'm sure ISPs will work out a deal with Apple/google so Itunes downloads/youtube don't affect the cap as much (more money for everyone!)

>and certainly would never do anything like play videogames

Most normals are console idiots, and they don't need to download their games


>or god forbid, work on software engineering projects from home.

Yeah because when I think "average person" I think of software engineers

>>6889444
Only if you're downloading in the worst quality. High quality can be ten or twenty. And you can finish a season of anime in a few days even if you, for some reason, have full time work and study.

>>6889459
>Most normals are console idiots, and they don't need to download their games
Isn't that just the exact opposite? And who the fuck uses a PC for gaming anyway?

>>6889479
You never played a Touhou game?

>>6889479
Oh I get it now, you're retarded. I'll stop trying to stop talking to you then. Enjoy your peoples' revolution!

>>6889479
you can't be that stupid, surely

What's the most painless way to die again? Something involving some kind of jewelry cleaner but I can't quite remember

>>6889486
Yeah, but that's just a few games compared to consoles, most people download all their games for consoles.
>>6889487
I'm not even Canadian, moron. At least try to support your opinion with reason and logic, not just call everyone a retard like a kid.

Not a Candaian but-

Why don't you all just buy a website?
My computer can hold 60GB of shit. Just 60. I've lived on this for about 5 years with no problem- I'm good at finding things to get rid of.

However, I own two websites. With websites, you have literally unlimited storage. I upload all my files onto my sites server, and can just access them whenever. I pay about 70USD a year for each site. The limit is around 10,000GB before you have to buy more space.

>>6889479
Please take a bullet for the good of humanity.

>>6889500
You're not going to get said jewelry cleaner. Find another method.

>>6889501
>most people download all their games for consoles

this is so wrong it hurts my head to even read it

>>6889501
You can also play most handheld games emulated, not to mention old console games. You can do a lot on a PC.

>>6889440
>either switch providers

Switch to who? Everyone and all independent ISP are affected.

>>6889501
But you are retarded. Do you even read what you post?

>>6889504
What does this have to do with anything? They're not regulating drive space.

I'm glad this is happening after I had played APB. That game was like 40 gigs and if I had to max out my cap for that garbage I would have shot myself

>>6889420
Fool, the only the opinion of the majority matters, that is, at least 51% of the WHOLE population of a place. Don't even try to argue that at least 51% of any population in any country will cry about this. People with insane download caps like us are a very, very small niche.

The best part is that bandwidth used by ads counts against your max limit. So those flash ads that stream video over websites and shit, now people who don't adblock will be paying for the privilege to see those ads.

Oh lordy, Canadian internet sure is complete shit.

>>6889459
>I'm sure ISPs will work out a deal with Apple/google so Itunes downloads/youtube don't affect the cap as much

Why would Bell or Rogers offer a discount to their competitors? Bell and Rogers both run cable T.V. services up here and have a vested interest in making sure that shit like netflicks and itunes fail. People are giving up their cable service left and right in favor of streaming and web based services. The whole point of having the CRTC impose UBB on everyone is to kill that sort of shit and drive people back towards using On-Demand and whatever Bell's service is called.

>>6889453
I've already gone through much more than 25GB simply through legitimate software downloads. I suppose I could spread out my downloads across two months but then that would mean I can't start working for a month.

>>6889501
we can masturbate to our goddamn eroge on PC, since they won't allow the h-scenes in those on consoles.

>>6889537
>now people who don't adblock will be paying for the privilege to see those ads

and because of that expect ISPs to limit what browsers you can use.

>>6889549
All browsers have adblock, even iexplore.

Once they see most of their customers use less than 10 gigs a month they'll lower the cap to that

>>6889555
Some of them actually load the ads then block them, like Chrome. I know Firefox doesn't.

It's better that charging by the download, which is what some american ISPs seriously want to do.

What? How will people who *work* in a field of computer science manage?

>>6889549
Except that's not possible, using TCP/IP.

>>6889568
If you work at home you're shit out of luck I guess. You would be in the minority though so don't expect them to care

>>6889568
You use the internet for work so you need to get a business line

>>6889549

How would they even do that?

don't see why they can't just offer two plans, one high speed but low cap for facebook faggots, one lower speed but no cap

>>6889582
They would get less money

It's been getting better in Australia lately.

>>6889582
That won't make any money

Within the next decade the whole internet will be like AOL in the 90s

Can there ever be a "new internet"?

Well time to jump ship. Americans in this thread, what jobs/skills are currently in demand in your country?

>>6889558
I know Adblock for Chrome blocks them before they download, at least now anyway. Unless this article is lying.

>>6889613
America will be no better. ISPs will look at Canada and go "See?? It works there!!" and do the same here

>>6889613
>america
>jobs in demand

>>6889617
You forget how lazy our legislatures are. It's impossible to get any new law written, and when they do, the Supreme Court just overrules it.

>>6889613
Be fat and apply for disability and welfare and your set u also get a nifty motorized wheel chair

>>6889611
http://netsukuku.freaknet.org/?pag=faq
but I just can't see it working on a large scale.

Can't someone just go "but think of the children!" to them? Just make it sound like your kids love to download stuff and you aren't able to pay for this bullshitty plan. Surely the mass media will be mobilized, start criticizing them and that law will be revoked.
Everything works when you mention the children.

>>6889647
money is more important than children

Canada, it may be time to boycott the internet.

>>6889662
Yeah I'm sure all those facebook users who think "net neutrality" is a rap group will stop using the internet just because nerds can't download their cartoons anymore

>>6889247

I heard that Telus wasn't going to be doing this. Thank god I don't live in Ontario.

>>6889654
You can't buy children with money. Not legally, anyway.

It's times like this I hope that the slight pain I get in my balls sometimes is a cancer symptom so I don't have to live in this society anymore

Fuck this isn't cool, I already pay double for an unlimited cap. I don't want to pay even more.

Keep in mind that a lot of modern games are almost 10 gigs

>>6889716
Yet doujinsoft games are still tiny.

>>6889716
Buy them affiliated online download services for no hit on your download cap

this thread makes me panicky and depressed.

>crtc.png
>png
Woah careful bro, you might just go over the cap!

Sure is good to live in the land of the free and the home of uncapped internet!

>>6889736
That's how I feel whenever "death of the internet" kind of stuff pops up. The internet/anime is my life, and without it I don't know what I would do

>>6889744

...contribute things of substance instead of wasting away your life with crap nobody really cares about?

>>6889751
living life without having anything that makes me happy sure sounds fun!

>>6889744
Same for me. I'm actually a bit paranoid about it, and have been stocking up on as much stuff as I can possibly download.

I just think the internet isn't always going to be the way it is now. I can only see it being fucked over by corporations in the future.

Correction: Independent Canadian ISPs are limited to 25GB per month. Monopolies like Bell and Rogers stay the same.

I may live in Canada, but this shit doesn't affect me

>>6889760
Why wouldn't they do it too when there's money to be had?

>>6889759
That's probably how it's going to be. The best we can hope for is to die a painless death before it all goes to hell

to anyone supporting the idea of bandwidth caps(ESPECIALLY influenced in any way by the government) just because they "make sense" based on only common sense applied an elementary understanding of the technological and economic concepts at work, i am going to humbly request that you leave things like voting and participating in your country's future(whichever country it is) to more sensible people.

it makes just as much "sense" that the system should continue the way it is based on similar common-sense principles, such as: "if it's not broken don't fix it," "we've been doing operating the same way since the internet began and things aren't looking down," "the biggest change that can possibly occur from this is a reduction of information flow and bigger strain on the middle class," "in a sense it's an imposition on freedom of expression," etc.

i suspect that whoever would say such a thing is a troll, but it's important enough to me that such half-baked ideas don't get taken in by anyone at all(yes, there are people who take obviously bad ideas seriously because they know no better and that affects overall opinion) uncontested that i'm going to post this.

any official articles about this. It just seems kinda weird that i haven't received any info from bell yet.

What dose that mean "25GB cap", is it the amount of hard drive space you are aloud to have in canada?

>>6889779
They will tell you about near the end of February probably. If they tell you now you might end your services with them and they'll lose a month of money from you

>>6889782
holy shit. Get out, get out now and never come back

>>6889779
This is just the passing of the law, nothing is in effect just yet. It's coming Feb-March

>>6889771
I'm too much of a coward to kill myself so I'll probably keep living this pathetic unhappy life before I eventually die from neglecting my health

>>6889760
Is this true? Also it sounds like only independent DSL users/ISPs are affected.

I'm going to have to reveal my ignorance and retardation here. Please excuse me.

I live in Alaska. There's no way that this could affect me through my ISP routing through Bell's infrastructure, right? I know next to nothing about internet infrastructure, but I could envision Alaska sharing cables/hardware with Canada(and recently our only cable provider up here switched to limited bandwidth, it's fucking dismal) although I'm fairly sure we utilize undersea cables.

>>6889760
So wait, the Canadian government is supporting monopolies? And doesn't your statement render most of this thread void?

Glad I'm moving to Japan this year. Their internet is amazing.

Someone briefly explain to me why they would want to have a download cap/what the reasoning behind this is (other than making money, obviously).
I'm from Europe by the way.

>>6889834
>what the reasoning behind this is (other than making money, obviously)

There is no other reason

>>6889834
Outdated infrastructure and people downloading too much for said infrastructure, I would guess.

>>6889816
here,
>>6889760
I hadn't seen that by the time I posted. I guess if that's true there's nothing to worry about, but although he says "correction" it still directly seems to contradict earlier posts in this thread saying that Bell is going to raise their rates to ISPs. I'm probably misunderstanding the system.

>>6889842
It would be very easy for them to modernize the infrastructure but they won't, because money

so... when are we going to get that fiberoptic internet or whatever it is that people have been talking about for years?

Since we're talking about money at the moment, everyone should go watch zeitgeist 3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w&feature=player_embedded#

>>6889866
by that point laws will already be on place to marginalize the fuck out of it

>>6889873
Yeah the internet is already a hard to control monster as far as the government/various corporations are concerned. There's no way they'll let that happen again

>>6889326
>More money for the ISPs, who won't spend it on anything that would benefit their customers. Fuck I love capitalism
You moron, this is not an example of capitalism. From what I've read it's communism.

People in this thread have no idea what the ruling actually says.