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6/10, I've read worse, but DAT ENDING.

Best characters were Bronove and Natuhi. Worst were Yasu and AuAu.

3>6>5>4>2>1>7>>>>>>>>>>8

Worst fanbase.

Ep 8's ending made me baaaw, but dammit, I wish the "Trick" ending was woven into the main ending.

>Ange wises up to Amakusa, figures out he's working for Okonogi and plans to assassinate Ange and make it look like the Sumadere's did it.
>Grabs his gun and kills him and his accomplice, the boat captain
>Erika congratulates her for discovering the truth
>The two ride the captainless boat off into the sunset

So fucking GAR.

I enjoyed the ride. It's a little sad when the party ends with a kick in the balls, but the party itself was fun.
Favourite episode - 3. Worst - 8.
Favourite character - pre-4 Beatrice (but I like Yasu too), most hated - AuAu.

I'm going with the consensus here. Umineko had a lot of promise, but it shits all over itself in the end and leaves the impression that the writer wasn't sure what the hell he wanted to do. I still enjoyed most of it so I can't call it all wasted time, but 7/10 is the best I can give to it (and even that's mostly for effort).

Let this be a lesson for all would-be VN makers: write the ending for your series before you release the first episode.

It's not over. He hasn't released Umineko Shin yet.

I'll let you know when I can actually read 8. DAMN YOU MOONRUNES, WHY DOES COMPREHENSION OF YOU ELUDE ME!

Based on spoilers though, I'd have to agree with the general consensus.

Before 7 I would have said 9/10. Before 8 I'd have said 7/10.

Now I just hate it and wish I'd never heard of the series. Fuck DURR JUST A DREAM endings. Fuck them hard.

The problem is that the author forced himself to a real world ending.

If he had said: "Fuck it, magic exists." he would not have had such a huge amount of asspain to pull off an ending.

>>6873651
The weird part is that we already KNEW magic exists, what with Bern being Rika and Higurashi fitting in the way it does. It's not like that "magic exists/does not exist" was ever the conflict in and of itself, even in episode 1.

I'll say one thing: it had the best OST of any VN ever.

>>6873650
Surely there's a huge amout of asspull involved, but the ending he created was not
>DURR JUST A DREAM

I'm pretty sure that all the delusions we were shown before add to the picture of what happened inside of Battler's head.

>>6873651
He basically said it with this episode. You can't ignore magic now, without denying anything as non-existent.

>>6873651

Magic ending would not have been any more acceptable than a dream ending. R07 would have had to frame the entire series as one giant trolololoo for the fans who legitimately tried to solve the mystery, and if he did that, he would definitely lose his fanbase. "I was just fucking with you PS. thanks for your $$$".

>>6873678
The existence of magic doesn't contradict at all with the fact that the mystery Beatrice proposed to you was solvable with only humans. It just would have made narration easier.

>>6873666
If never heard of Higurashi before and read Umineko, you might disagree with what you said now. The series is told as if magic does only happen in one's head. This way, Bern and 34 become mental representations too, without any link to Higurashi.

In the big picture instead we see lots of spells, magic battles and multiversism. I think that's fine too.

It's not over yet.
It's great, not many things have such discussions for years.
Favorite Ange. Hated - I don't particularly hate anyone, but I hate Kumasawa's mackerel jokes.

I miss the time it was called Moe MILFs: the VN.

I wanted a battler x rosa milf end so bad.

>>6873716
>I hate Kumasawa's mackerel jokes.
YOU MONSTER

>>6873723
>>6873737
Dem moms. All dem moms. Granted all of them were psychotic but hey anyone would be nuts after extended exposure to Kinzo.

>>6873651
This. As the series went on, having magic exist made less sense and Ryukishi couldn't really balance out the fantasy side's credibility after presenting the mystery side.
Best Ep.- 4. Despite the Ange scenes really screwing up the tone (although I actually like Ange herself), it was a really fun episode.
Worst- 2. Once I realized how prominent the words "love", "furniture", and the relationship between Shannon/Kanon/Beato were, I already knew I wasn't going to like the payout.

Best characters- Ange, because she was an interesting balance between mystery and fantasy in her search for the truth, and Erika because, unlike Battler, she knew what she was there to do and loved every god damn second.

Worst characters- Shannon. Not Yasu, Shannon. I can sympathize with Yasu somewhat after 7, but the Shannon "role" she put on for George while still waiting for Battler deep down needlessly resulted in the eventual massacre. Just tell the dude "no" and go *make* Battler remember, damn.

>>6873632
>write the ending for your series before you release the first episode.
The actual ending(s) are fine and were obviously planned from the beginning. He just didn't know how to get to them, so the middle of EP8 is pretty terrible.

>>6873758
>Granted all of them were psychotic but hey anyone would be nuts after extended exposure to Kinzo.
Eva is actually perfectly sane you'll recall. It's just an act put on for Ange (I'm told that one of the Tsubasa stories pins even this on Bern, but I've not read any of Tsubasa so I don't know).

Natsuhi has committed exactly one horrible act in her life, and whether she even did that is VERY debatable. Even if she did, she feels way too much guilt over it to be dismissed as insane.

The only crazy ones are Kyrie (who has no excuse and is just a horrible bitch), and Rosa (whose mental instability is understandable, though her actions aren't excused by that, even by Rosa herself).

>>6873774
>All Just a Dream
>Battler Drowning
>Fine endings
The latter I can accept as a BAD END deal (though introducing Road Cones at this stage is a rather questionable choice). The former is just lazy and is always terrible regardless of what Jungian excuses you make for it.

Pretty good buildup, ending was fine but the overall direction in Chiru was all over the place. I didn't like R07 in-game preaching regardless of whom he criticized.
It's not like it was a waste of time, but if this is all there was to it 8 episodes are too much. Less bloat and it would've been better.
Favorite would be Dlanor, most hated... eh, no one really. Maybe Maria, but mostly because of the fanbase. Favorite episode is probably 5, don't "hate" one but 6 was incredibly boring.

>>6873775
>Kyrie (who has no excuse and is just a horrible bitch)
This is my biggest problem with 7 and 8. LOL GOLD is such a one-dimensional motive, and not at all up to the standard of what were actually fairly well rounded characters we'd seen up until that point. It's not even a logical choice: the risk of a fucking massacre is much higher than would be needed to just divide the gold fairly, which would solve all your problems anyway. It runs entirely counter to the picture of cold logic R07 seemed to be trying to use Kyrie for.

>>6873794
>6 was incredibly boring.
BITCH YOU DID NOT JUST CRITICIZE GAME MASTER BATTLER!

>>6873758
I actually think it's a big genetic family disease making them prone to delusions after being put under stress over some time.

Just remember Kinzou himself was a genetic retard resulting from occasional incest in the family tree.

Kinzou, Eva, Rosa, Maria, Ange, Yasu and Battler all have shown "clear" signs of madness even before the cat box magic started to kick in. Jessica might be a candidate too, since she managed to develop her fake asthma into a real one. Except Rosa and Jessica everyone mentioned right now had hallucinations at these moments.

>>6873796
That was Bern's idea of a motive. Nobody said anyone really killed for gold.

The worst is definitely 8, there would have to be something wrong with you to say otherwise. Or you'd have to be one of those "You don't even know episode 8, man!" people. Oh, and 7 was one of the best.

Honestly I think the biggest problem was BT dying in the middle of everything. The series lost focus and balance without him and it all fell apart.

Favorite character - Yasu
Most hated character - Can't really think of a character I hate.

It wasn't all a dream you dumpfuckers, Meta-World is still ambiguous like in the previous episodes. The scene were Battler and Meta-Beato drown is pretty fantasy.

Here, we even got an official confirmation that Higurashi takes place in the same universe in Tsubasa

>>6873779
It wasn't an "all just a dream" ending. The implication is that part of what Touya remembers are the meta battles. The Battler drowning sequence was a great ending, exactly what was needed for both him and Beato.

>>6873796
At first I thought Kyrie had married Rudolf as some sort of ploy against the Ushiromiyas by the Sumadera family, considering everything Kasumi told Ange and how both sisters turned out after their "training". Alas, no.

>>6873845
>Tsubasa
>English
Wait what?

I mean I guess all the TIPs are already translated and up in script form online, but I didn't know someone did the game release. Is there any interesting music or whatever?

>>6873796
>This is my biggest problem with 7 and 8. LOL GOLD is such a one-dimensional motive,

That's because you are looking for the motive for a mystery.

Rokkenjima Prime is not a mystery, but simply a massacre. People shotting around.

>>6873857
>I mean I guess all the TIPs are already translated and up in script form online, but I didn't know someone did the game release. Is there any interesting music or whatever?
I don't think so, but it's great to see the scenes with sprites,

Ange and Maria tanabas were pretty good bawww material

>>6873869
Which stories are included?

Because I honestly would kill a man for Game Master BATTLER and Stakes Valentine/White Day with sprites.

I don't think I could take Witches Tanabata again though. That shit was just beyond depressing.

>>6873805
I think his cape is cool. That's pretty much all that's good about him though, Battler as GM sucked.

>>6873796
She didn't start the massacre, she just took the initiative, because she knew that they won't divide the gold fairly.

I don't know if it was worth.
I had fun, so i guess so, but i'll reserve my judgment for when i'll be able to play ep VIII.

However, at this point, i can say the "mystery" aspect of the series was pretty bad, with no confirmation of answer in sight.

I enjoyed pretty much every characters and i think they are pretty much all great.. well, expect maybe Yasu. I haven't decided if i liked him or not yes.

>>6873847
Bah, it was pretty average.
I won't say it was bad but it's definitely not what I would call great either.

>>6873882
>Yasu
>Him

>>6873873

Pretty much every tips. Some of them aren't translated yet, though.

>>6873873
They are included.

>>6873886

I believe in penis-damaged Yasu, and there is nothing you can say that will change my opinion.

>>6873890

Ops, wrong screen

Why so much incestuous, Ushiromiya?

>>6873882
>him
WHY? WHY DON'T THEY GET IT?

>>6873904
Because the TIPs are mostly silly.

Actually I guess there was that one time in... 5 was it? that Battler briefly loses it for Rosa, so it's not all shit's and giggles.

Speaking of translations, is anyone going to work on the fighting game like MM did with Melty Blood?

>>6873929
Umineko is popular enough, so it's possible, but I don't think anyone is doing it right now.

>>6873929
WH said they will translate it and tsubasa after ep8.

For me it was worth, it gave me characters I love and an awesome setting.
The way it was executed in the end is disappointing, but that is not spoiling the series as a whole for me, as matter of fact I'm starting to forget the end exist, as I already did with EP2 and 5.

On EP I'd rate them 1>3>7=4>>>>>6>>5>2

As for the characters I love the parent minus Hideyoshi with a burning passion. If Umineko gave me something no series had before is some great adult characters.
Don't hate any character, but I'd actually be glad if Bern has never been introduced in the game.

>>6873940
where's that edit button

>>6873940
>Hideyoshi
HE'LL GET CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT IN REI, YOU JUST WAIT AND SEE.

>>6873940
>1 on top
>2 and 5 on the bottom
I don't understand.

>>6873950
ALONG WITH GOHDA

MAGICAL GOHDA CHEF

>>6873956
1 is so overrated. I must have read it 4 times, but I can't really see the appeal. People often say it's the only truly mystery episode of the lot, but even so, the mystery there was just easy.

>>6873950
>Rei
nonono, it'll be called "Umineko Shin", like Ryukishi was talking about in that Anti-Mystery vs Anti-Fantasy essay.

>>6873950

Of course. You will learn that he is the murderer who did it because lol gold and blamed everything into the persona he acted as, Kyrie, who doesn't really exists out of his mind.

Worth my time, since I enjoyed most of the episodes.
Probably one of the worst ending in VNs for various reasons, but we already know that.

Fav character: anyone from the Ushiromiya family

Less fav: bern & 34 since they are R07 mary sues.
Not that I hate them in any case.

I like Gohda and Hideyoshi. They're bastions of sanity in a sea of madness.

Well I guess there's Nanjo, Genji, and Kumasawa too, but they're kind of enablers for Yasu and Kinzo so I dunno.

My least favorite episode is 7, because people are going to think that tea party was true for a long time. It's pretty much set in everyone's mind that Kyrie = evil culprit heartless bitch.

>>6873940

What? What's wrong with Hideyoshi? He's the only one of the parents I liked. The only one who isn't a self-centered gold digger or an outright psychopath.

>>6873975
>Less fav: bern & 34 since they are R07 mary sues.
I don't know if they can be sues when we're blatantly supposed to despise them.

>>6873956

I neither do, but I did find it hard to read and are the only ones I never went back and read again, not a single scene.

EP5 is mostly Bern's fault, dunno for EP2.

Oh boy, I guess a lot of idiots just found out about Extra TIPS with Tsubasa.

>>6873982
>The only one who isn't a self-centered gold digger or an outright psychopath.

That's the problem.
Oh and he is fat.

The only thing that really stands out for 2 is the very end, with Rosa Musou, Dog Battler. and DAT TEA PARTY. It's not terribly offensive, but there's nothing standout about it aside of the ending.

>>6873963
>read it 4 times
Do you guys really reread Umineko so much?
Oh god, you guys must be so lost now that Umineko has ended.

>>6873963
Not the guy you're referring to, and 1 isn't my favorite ep., but I think people enjoy it because there was no meta yet (which got really overindulgent quickly), and the tone was appropriately tense after the murders started and we didn't get bogged down with flashbacks or metaworld cutaways save for the necessary exposition in the first half.

>>6873998
Not really. We'll be back like abused girlfriends when the next When They Cry starts.

Also there's still Shin.

>>6873998

There is Rei.

And you can always read it for 5th time.

>>6873998
I was just trying to solve it. Funnily enough, I was looking for something deeper than Kanon being responsible for everything there, because that's the easy answer. I did find some interesting points in earlier episodes, but they were all irrelevant. The answer really was the easy answer, the only difficult part was working out how Yasu worked.

>>6873963

As standalone it's your cliché horror movie and I happen to love those. If it had ended at Maria's letter Umineko would be 10/10 for me.

>>6873998
Also, we can still search for the TRUTH together.

Episode 1 is basically And Then There Were None, but without the ABSOLUTE JUSTICE or "everyone is a stranger" aspect.

Also where are my Umineko X scans, I'm dying over here.

>>6874018
You can't since there is no proof for anything.
It would just amount to my fanfiction vs your fanfiction, sure seem like a great thread

>>6873993
Beatrice's trolling was pretty good too. It's the most boring beginning that spoils an entire episode.

>>6874018
But there is no truth. Ryukishi built himself into a corner and was forced to throw up his hands and declare the whole thing a catbox, except instead of a cat it was filled with red spiderwebs and possibly a giggling Italian woman. .

>>6874028
DAT BEGINNING. It's seriously the worst, but it's not that long. Honestly the Ange interrupts in 4 are a much bigger problem, despite being good on their own, they DESTROY the pace. I loved the two sides of 4, but they don't mesh very well. If they had, it'd blow even the ETERNAL GLORY that is 3 out of the water I admit, I really thought George and Jessica were going to win the first time I read it ;_;.

>>6874029
>>6874026
No, there's a truth there, we just have to look close enough and use our heads. We don't need proof because we (hopefully) figured out the LOVE part of the story already. Now we're able to see, if we look enough.

>>6874029
There's. You just don't like it.

>>6874037
There is a truth.
But people can just deny it with YOU HAVE NO PROOFS LOL, MY FANFICTION IS SUPERIOR AND YOU CAN'T DENY IT.

And sorry but I find no pleasure about arguing in circles with retards

>>6874033
12 hours of ahaha.wav would have been actually better than Layton, Pirates of the Rokkenjima - World's End and "the past is a mess - so look forward!"

>>6874033
Dedication is a virtue for a fan, so we're the best fanbase.

So what was everyone's favorite songs?

I loved Dance of the Moon Rabbits and Occultics no Maho the most myself.

>>6874033
You'll find people like that in most fanbases. I'd say where that screenshot is taken is the problem.

>>6874033

>:3

Kill her.

It doesn't makes the worst fanbase though. Lots of fanbases have those fags who will eat all shit the author throws at them and bite you if you dare to say "I like this series but "this" is bad"

>>6874051
nope, fucking Umineko takes it to a whole new level.

this is just sick.

>>6874033
ok that's crazy for sure.

>>6874050
Usan no Kaori and Happy Maria vocal.

I feel like it belongs here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8OjPKN9B4

>>6874050

Dat Akiko Shikata.

Also Happiness of Marionette and Dreamenddischarger, they were the first BGM I liked even before reading the SN.

>>6874056

>Happy Maria

I like you, Anonymous. You're a pretty cool dude.

>>6874050
Nighteyes. Never got used enough, in my opinion, but every it was perfectly placed when it was.

>>6874061
This is why they wanted 12 minutes - they already have a 10 minute version that they've enjoyed ad nauseum.

>>6874063
These, though I hadn't heard Happiness prior to playing, I listened to DreamEndDischarger all the time. Dread of the Grave too.

>>6874034

I honestly don't get why people say R07 drove himself into a corner, to me, it's was obvious he had everything in mind from ep 1. Re-read some episodes makes that obvious

>>6874063
You shouldn't listen to BGMs before reading the scenes they are accompanied with.

>>6874050
The Great Detective Knows, Nighteyes and The Executioner.

My favorite song is Sakutarou's Adventure.

>>6874071
Is this what R07 calls a clue?

>>6874076
HAPPIEST. SONG. EVER.

My favorite episode was 2, favorite song suspicion, least favorite episode 7.

>>6874050
Bring The Fate

>>6874071
Except doesn't the bottom scene happen before the first scene? By the end of the first scene, Kanon is already going to have a showdown with Beatrice.

Sakutarou's adventure and lastendconductor

>>6874085
Totally forgot about this one. Fucking beautiful.

I hate episode 8, but Cocoon of White Dreams is a goddamn gorgeous song. Terrible Italian though.

>>6874072

I enjoyed it more when finally those BGM I loved had a context.

Not my fault Umineko has an awesome OST you can listen to outside the actual game.

>>6874077

Nope, that just trolling.
This is a clue

>>6874087

Yes, but it's kinda hilarious.
It's not like Battler grabs everyone collar.

>>6874094
When that played, I briefly forgot how angry I was at R07. I really want to know how he finds these artists, they are fucking geniuses.

Hey, at least one good thing came out of this: Jessica remained unsullied.

I was almost certain she'd end up as the culprit because she was portrayed as the most moral of the lot.

>Best character

>MFW in the last Shin episode, Bern is grumbling about losing, but then starts to gloat about how much misery she managed to cause despite that as she has her tea.
and then Dlanor and Will show up in front of her.

>>6874050
Bring the Fate (I loved how it was used in EP7) and 黒のリリアナ are my top favourites. Also Mortal Strampede and liberated liberater.

>>6874125
Then they join her in drinking tea.
THE END

Am I the only one that wanted the ending to be Battler winning the game and saving the day? Cliche, but it'd be better than what we got at least.

>>6874119
>Maria-san was quite the little trooper.
Every goddamn time.

>>6874125
...and die pathetically before the witch of mystery.

>>6874125
It WOULD be nice for Dlanor, a witch hunter, to actually HUNT WITCHES for once. Battler and Beato hardly count in that regard.

>>6874132


Not really, i really wasn't expect any happy ending

>>6874132
I'd have liked it, but I doubted it would happen.

>>6874132
I was hoping for a happy ending, myself. With some casualties perhaps, but with many characters surviving still. In any case I hoped for Rokkenjima's outcome to change.

>>6874132
That's what he did. They are having fun in Golden Land now. If he had lost, every one of them would be denied.

>>6874132

I did. And I remember it was what Battler was promised if he solved the mistery, and what Ange's sacrifice was for. If they were already dead forever and ever it wouldn't be "your family will return to another Ange" but "your family is dead, period".
Maybe Ryuukishi changed his mind midway.

>>6874137
She hunts witches that use ridiculous explanations, like Beato in Kinzo's study. She can't do shit to Bern, because she always plays most logically.

>>6874137
Bern's a voyager, and also apparently a senator (what exactly said senator position entails is unmentioned of course), so I don't think Will and Dlanor can do anything. Actually I think it was mentioned in the TIPs for either Dlanor or one of her subordinates that the Rokkenjima assignment was a scheme of the senate.

>>6874161
See this is what I want to know. I want to understand more about this weird heaven bureaucracy that apparently transcends fragment boundaries. Yes I know that questioning this sort of thing is kind of besides the point of Umineko, but it's bugging me.

>>6874161
The Senate just seems to be a collection of powerful witches. Lambda is one too.

>>6874187
But then why would Witch Hunters work for them? And why does Pendragon's Memorial Corp supposedly have an alliance treaty with the Witch Hunters? AND HOW DO DEMONS FIT IN?

God I hope R07 does something relevant with Shin instead of just wandering off into side stories, I want some definite answers.

>>6874193

It's all a bunch of meaningless flimflam R07 threw in to make his world look bigger.

>>6874204
Like he would provide any definite answers after 8. He'll just say there are clues scattered throughout Shin and if you can't find them you're a loveless goat who can't understand him

>>6874204
I doubt that will happen. At least not the main issues.

>>6874204
He will never give any answers, it was pretty clear in episode 8.

>>6874187

We don't know if there are only witches.
Maybe gods are there too.

Also, the definition of "witch" is kinda vague in Umineko, it's intended that it can also be used on males and Featherine is more a God than anything.

I kinda want R07 to expand his universe

>>6874238
>maybe gods are there too
Given the magic fight between Beato and Lia, that's probably pretty safe to say if you believe in magic

>>6874254
>Given the magic fight between Beato and Lia, that's probably pretty safe to say if you believe in magic

I always considerate Meta-World different from magic

It's masterpiece. My favorite character is Beatrice/most hated ... probably Rosa. Every episode is great in it's own sense. Reading it is definitely worth of time. Then again, R07 only produced great titles.

>>6874019
Agreed. Episode 1 was a rehash of And Then There Were None so I don't understand why people like it. I'd rather go and reread the original as it's a significantly better mystery novel. Then again I can understand them preferring it considering that in later episodes we got stuff such as "without love the truth cannot be seen", "everyone has their own truth", "personalities count as people and can be murdered" that are pretty grating.

I think Ryukishi trued to be overtly abmitious with his story and simply couldn't provide a satisfying ending to it. The fact he never provides an answer is also grating.

>>6874264
I only read Ep. 3 once, but didn't the magic fight take place on the gameboard?

>>6874265

ikr? Rosa so ebil cause she hits dat killer loli :3 I haet her, mom of the year die.

Maria's my fav char.

>>6874193
Don't try to understand it. You'll only get a headache.

I think Ryukishi just threw stuff in the metaworld with no concern of how they fit together overall. Thought to be fair, since it's all the product of Yasu's and Battler's fevered minds it doesn't have to be consistent.

>>6874315

It has. The product of Battler's fevered mind is being sold as supposedly best seller books, it must be consistent.

If we want to be charitable to R07, perhaps the extraneous talk about senates and heavenly courts and such as if they meant something is there to give an idea of how vast and detailed Yasu's imaginary world was, and thus how lonely and loco she was.

How does the Golden Truth work, after all?

Also, I'd bet the fanbase is giving R07 unlimited giggles. He actually crushed so many dreams with his hand.

>they still think meta world doesn't exist despite contradictions it creates

>>6874352
Maybe you should read ep8 before making opinions and asking stupid questions.

>>6874357
And maybe you should get out of my /jp/, disgusting moonrune reader.

>>6874318
This always got me, since it comes off like meta-marketing on Ryukishi's part. More than that, it's like how Tolkien wrote LotR as if it took place in the same world as ours(since he supposedly "translated" The Hobbit, etc), but expected people to take that literally.

I'd give it a 7/10. It falls apart at the end, but at least it tried. The characters were all nicely rounded and the music was lovely. Hell, Ryukishi even managed to draw some decent sprites this time!

Truly it's better to fail due to overambition than to simply make the same game over and over, like Key.

>>6874378
Knew that Ryuukishi is a big Key fag and even work for Key now?
And that his favorite VN is Air?

Key started a lot of things, to say that they don't have amobition is foolish.

>>6874378
>Truly it's better to fail due to overambition than to simply make the same game over and over

That part's definitely true.

When you aim big, even if you fail you fail good.

>>6874378
>>6874489
Too bad it's not the case with Umineko since it's just a failed copy-pasta of Forest

>>6874507
This is what VN elitists actually believe.

>>6874512
>VN elitists
What does this mean? People who actually read both and therefore can see the obvious connections?

>>6874507
Too bad you didn't actually read Forest, but just heard about it being like Umineko.

>>6874534
I did, want me to spoil it for you?

what the fuck is forest

>>6874546
Then you wouldn't say that it's really better than Umineko.

>>6874566
I shudder at the thought that someone could think Umineko is better than Forest.
I don't even hate Umineko but anyone who think so obviously has the worst taste ever.

>>6874570
>opinions

>>6874563

A place with trees, looks something like this.

>>6874566
Umineko: 70 on average in EGS
Forest: 85

People sure seem to like Umineko better

>>6874609
They are just mad at Ryu.

>>6874629
It had a 74 on average even before episode 8.
Last episode just brought it even lower

If Forest is so great, why doesn't it have an English translation? Oh I get it, it's because it's a "super cool underground VN" that nobody reality cares about except for hipsters that want to look like they know better.

Beato is what makes Umineko.

>>6874641
Umineko only has an English translation because it's so westernized.

I really hate those people who have read maybe one or two VNs and think everything else is hipster trash. It's like being uninformed is the cool thing now.

>>6874641
Ixrec plans to do it soon.
Also you are the hipster, the only VN you ever read is probably Umineko.

Man I cannot get the Tsubasa patch to work for the life of me. Anyone care to give me some info here?

>>6874658

It's just like a WH patch

>>6874654
>>6874656
I've been playing VNs since Nocturnal Illusion. Not the oldest game around by any means, but probably older than anything you hipster kids have played.

>>6874676
If by that you mean you mount it then run the patch, which does the rest, then no, no it isn't. It just makes a black window come up, which then instantly freezes.

>Umineko vs Forest
Oh boy, here we go.

>>6874713
I know right? When will Forestfags admit they just picked a random VN that nobody played and for which no information exists on the English speaking part of the internet, and started baselessly claiming Umineko ripped it off to troll?

>>6874682
So you think of yourself a VN oldfag or something yet call people who play untranslated eroge hipster?
Do you realize how retarded you are?

>>6874723
Considering he posted with Rifyu and a laughing 34, I'd say he's fucking with you. That's just my opinion though.

>>6874719
Lots of people played it.
And it's not random, even the Umineko fags in Japan agrees that Ryuukishi took a lot from it.

>>6874733
>Baseless claims with no source or evidence

The trolls aside, I for am really am genuinely curious: how does Umineko rip off Forest? I've tried to look for info on it, but really can't find anything more than a brief blurb on... VNDB I believe it was, and that didn't really indicate anything to me.

I read/watch/play things because I like them, not because they belong to a particular medium. I started reading vns because I liked Umineko, and not the other way around - because I "read vns" in general. I've read a few that are considered the best around here and I think they are rather shitty (yeah, yeah, shit taste, etc). Also, most of them (including Forest) are eroge. Fuck this shit, I prefer my imagination.

>>6874765
They just lacked buttsex for you, I'm sure.

>>6874747
Notice how nobody is answering you. That's because Forestfags don't actually have an answer because they didn't play it anymore than anyone else did.

I can't stand Yasu.

If she wanted to see Battler she should have contacted him prior to the family meeting, after she became the head.
And if she no longer cared enough about him to consider it at that point, then she should have just accepter or declined George, or if she was still unsure, then she should have just played the waiting game. Nothing wrong with that.

And if she really was to become torn with it all, I have heard that dices or coins are great!

But no, let's rig up a bomb that could potentially kill off everyone on the entire island! And let's just hope for the off chance of everything turning out magically wonderful!

>>6874747
http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/6710094#p6711124

8/10, mainly because off the unanswered stuff
I didn't mind the ending so much although I would have liked a happy ending too it seems to fit for Umineko. God to admit the only reason i score Umineko so high is because off the godlike music in a sound novel, it started off great but it kept adding new characters (which was good for some) but by doing so got sidetracked at the end to give the mess we got now

oh well always shin
As for favorite character beato before the whole yasu mess, least favorite.. can't say i disliked anyone

Personally I like the cast much more in Umineko, but can't deny that it borrows heavily from Forest or that Forest did the main story better.

Meteor works for Nasu now doesn't he?

>>6874853
I believe he is currently a freelancer, you know, like Urobuchi.

Fuck now I want to read forest so badly.

>>6874853
Yeah, right now he's working on Girls' Work (which was recently changed from a visual novel to an anime).

>>6874853
He's working on Girl's Work for Nasu I believe.

>>6874890
I thought it was one of the those instances where the anime was coming out first to advertise the game.

>>6874896
That's only needed if you're some unknown studio trying to push out some new and/or shit game and would be delegated to some third tier studio.

This isn't the case with Girl's Work. It's Nasu and Meteor collaborating. Japan will sell blood to buy this shit.

>>6874899
Not to mention it's being animated by ufotable.

>>6874899
Hilariously, in those situations, not only does the anime tend to have nothing to do with the game, it almost always turns out better. Galaxy Angel for example.

On that note, is the Milky Holmes game out yet? I want to see how shitty it is compared to the balls to the wall show.

I like only MY BEATORICHEEEEE~ PLEASE ONE MORE SMILE FOR M E!!!!~

>>6874916
You'll have to cut the darkness with desire first.

>>6874926
My absolute DESIRE burn fate into dust. I search Beatriche and reach her sweet hand. I WONT SEE HER SMILE AGAIN! That is only one good thing in the life! BE-A-TO-RII-CHEEEE!!!~ Wy, wy I live? Only cos you exist. That smile is only REAL thing in damn woooooorld!

>>6874926
You know, I actually hated La Divina Tragedia when I first heard it, but damned if it didn't grow on me.

Umineko is far from flawless, but I like the Ushiromiyas too much to be all that bothered by it.

>>6874914
>is the Milky Holmes game out yet?
>I want to see how shitty it is compared to the balls to the wall show.
But the game is amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu5MHMKvjk8

THIS IS LIKE THE EIGHTIETH "SO NOW THAT IT'S OVER THREAD"

RYUKISHI SAID HE WANTS TO MAKE AN UMINEKO REI, THIS HAS BEEN SAID MANY, MANY TIMES

>>6874994
But it is over.
He has said that he won't change anything, and nothing will be ellaborated upon, and no answer will be given.
And everyone who thinks he should have done anything like that is a goat.

You know it is just going to be an extra episode full of fanservice and parody shit, right?

>>6875014

>fanservice and parody shit

And that's bad? It's the best he can do. The only thing I care about Umineko now are the characters, if I get more fanservice of them instead shitty reasoning with you are all goats I'm perfectly fine.

>>6875014
As long as it inspires a SiestaxStake h doujin it can be 100% stupid jokes and fanservice for all I care.

>>6875022
But would it really affect your opinion on the main series?

I mean, it is not much different from a third party doujin parody.
The main difference is mostly just how this has an official brand.

>>6875014
And another set of meta implications between Umineko and Higurashi. Also a implication concerning his next work, which will enslave us once again.

Did he really call people goats? I thought that was just something /a/ made up.

>>6875034
"an"

god i suck but at least i know the truth.

>>6875036
Yes he did.
It's one of the reason (not the only one though) the Japaneses are so pissed off.
And they are really, really pissed off.

>>6875041
Did he say it in an interview too?

At least, he implied it in ep8. All the IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO SOLVE people are adressed by the goats' speeches. after they list a set of half-assed reasons (and then declare it "impossible to solve") since their argumentation chains do not work, they get owned by Battler and called dumb.

that's a pretty direct implication addressed at haters who are frustrated on not being able to solve it.
did he mention it in an interview too?

>>6875059
The goats represents every readers who tried to find the truth, not just the idiots.
There are goats who think Kyrie's family did it, there are goats who think magic exist, there are goats who think it's unsolvable, etc...

>>6875066
>>6874910
And character designs by Eri Takenashi.

>>6875066
The message however was that the goats gave up thinking due to frustration. That's what Battler criticized them for. I think this is not addressed at all of the readers.
Being integrated as "normal" goat however does not bother me. In fact we all became part of the story.

>>6875082
But Umineko is designed to make you give up thinking.
That's what the game was going for.

>>6875082
>The message however was that the goats gave up thinking due to frustration
Only some of them, which are yeah the ones most picked on by the narrative. But the goats were -everyone- trying to theorize about Rokkenjima, it was the whole point of the characters escaping into the golden land.

>>6875084
lol what?

>>6875084
goat

>>6875084

If you give up thinking you are a goat.

If you think you are a goat.

You have to think but only until Ryuukishi tells you it's fine and everything is fantasy and love.

>>6875103
Stop thinking about the past and look at the future.
That was the theme of episode 8, that's why Ange didn't look at the diary in the magic end.
That basically mean "stop thinking".

And even if you continue thinking it's not like you can prove your theories.

>>6875066
They are all mostly dumb things anyway, Kyrie family theory is the most meaningful one. It's like Ryukushi doesn't even know the actual good and possible theories that DO fit in the catbox, contrary to those presented by Goats.

>>6875119
I think R07 thought it was a beautifully crafted progression or something, he didn't realize he fucked up big time with it.

I think BT's death probably fucked things up rather royally.

>>6875119
Stop living in the past = stop thinking?

>>6875143
In Ange's case to "stop living in the past" meant "stop looking for the truth", so yeah. She stopped thinking.

More importantly:
WHERE ARE MY NEW RIFYU COMICS?

>>6875143
Stop living in the past = stop trying to make sense of what happened = stop thinking, yes.

>>6875151
they are out and they have a horrible troll Ikuko, the only one I can actually like

>>6875151
>>6875157
>Oh yeah I haven't checked for EP8 Rifyu yet!
>Look it up on Danbooru
>He's doing Hourou Musuko
DEAR GOD

>>6875161
>He

If there's one thing R07 knows how to do, it's creating an interesting premise and a great setting. It's a shame that it falls apart so quickly once he tries to write a plot. He should just make a When they Cry tabletop game, or something. fleshing out an universe, creating background info, characters, writing a sort of general direction for the gameworld. I'd buy it.

>>6875166
When They Cry tends to be too small in scale for that.

I'd love a Nasu tabletop though.

>>6875171
Well, he did expand on it with Umineko, he could probably work wonders on it if he dedicated his full time to it. Not that he ever will though. too busy wanking it to his pseudo-intelligence.

Though a Nasu is fine too. Actually, couldn't we get /tg/ on this? They've made some rulebooks for shit like Index in the past.

>>6875188

I'm pretty sure there was already a fanRPG for the Holy Grail War.

>>6875150
Well, that was the advice for her in person. It just indicates that she'll have a better life if she doesn't try to find out what happened.
Who said WE have to care about that?

>>6875166
And let goats be Game Masters? Ryukishi would never endorse such a sin against love.

>>6875203
>Implying Goat-kun wouldn't be the best game master
No longer would a man have to fear loser flags just for earning the respect of his brothers, or promising his little sister that he'd return in glory!

Please forgive me for being a stupid goat, /jp/, but what exactly do the names in all caps mean?
Is it just to differentiate between the real characters and their magical meta counterparts if they use their real name as their witch name?
That would explain why Beato's not called BEATRICE (or at least I wouldn't remember it, feel free to correct me), but I'm still not sure.

>>6875201
Nobody, I'm not the guy who said "Umineko is about giving up", just that the magic end ended appropriately (Ange's stopped thinking, just like the people who chose that ending).

>>6875211

Real characters have their names written in Kanji, fantasy in katakana, 絵羽/エヴァ for example. They try to imitate that with capital letters.

>>6875211
>Is it just to differentiate between the real characters and their magical meta counterparts if they use their real name as their witch name?
pretty much

I fucking cried like a bitch during the black ending.
Fucking dumbass beato, did you really think he'd care about the cousin/nephew thing? And fuck the crazy family. ;_;

>>6875189
>I'm pretty sure there was already a fanRPG for the Holy Grail War.

There is (or more accurately a sourcebook for some commercial RPG since the PDF doesn't have full rules). It's not very good though.

http://www.heavens-feel.com/fate_nasuverse_rpg.html

>>6875220
>>6875221
Thank you.

>>6875216
> Ange stopped thinking
Because she already discovered the truth, on a meta level, but unfortunately for her, it was too much for her to handle.

It was worth it, even if the conclusion was disappointing - and it was more disappointing in how it was done than the actual conclusion in and of itself. Chiru was just really uneven, which hurt it overall. I think the high points of Chiru were very high, but the low points are also quite low. Still, I liked the characters and was interested in the ideas until the end.

The best episodes were 7 and 3. Worst were 8 and 6.

>>6875243
>The best episodes were 7

oh jesus what the fuck

>>6875243
>6
>Worst
>7
>Best
Bernfag detected.

>>6875256
You mean Yasufag

>>6875256

Why? Different anon, but I hate Bern and love EP7 for dat Yasu.

it's extremely weird and i don't know what to think about it, but i enjoyed it a lot and despise it's flaws it's still definitely a good novel. Beato and Dlanor were my favourite characters. don't have a favourite ep though, every one has a different feel from the others, that's why i find it hard to compare them and judge Umineko in general.

I can definitely say it was worth keeping tabs on the fandom while not actually getting into the series itself. The shitstorms were glorious to behold.

>>6875271
wait, what, TROLLKASTEL was my favourite character definitely. Beato and Dlanor take places 9 and 10 on my list, the first 8 are all Bern with different face expressions.


>>6875274
>The shitstorms were glorious to behold.
THIS.
i'll miss them more than anything.

>>6875256
>Bernfag detected.
Ha ha, no. Bern was at her most effective and compelling in EP7, which was one of the good things about it, but overall, especially after 8, I couldn't give less of a shit about her.

>You mean Yasufag
Now this I will readily admit to.

1-4 (marathoned so they blend together) > 6 >> 5 >>>> 7

8 waits for WH.

>>6875274
Why would you "keep tabs on the fandom" if you weren't reading the VN? Is it that interesting to watch people argue over characters and situations you don't have any idea about? This is an honest question.

>>6875302

Of course it is. I do it all the time.

In fact sometimes I read stuff only so that I could follow the arguments better.

I confess, I followed threads and spoilers just because it was so interesting to follow the reactions and discussion, LONG before I finally got around to the novels back in November. I only really bothered paying much attention once the anime started airing though, and I kind of stopped watching that midway because people were talking about how terrible an adaptation it was. This didn't stop me from keeping up with threads and amassing a ridiculous amount of art, doujins, joke comics, and those GLORIOUS fake screenshots (that generator is my favorite thing about this series I swear), all for a series I hadn't actually bothered to pick up myself. Oh, and I guess I'd also read a bit of Umineko X at some point after I dropped the show.

So yes, I think the ending sounds AWFUL based on spoilers, but I can't say I didn't get shitloads of fun out of it. I'll probably stick around for Shin and play the fighting game when WH gets to it.

>>6875319
Also Stakes Valentine/Beato's White Day is still the best official material, you can't deny it.

>>6875322
>implying Game Master BATTLER isn't superior

>>6875302

Between watching discussions here and listening to my friends talk about the series, I knew enough about the characters and the setting that I was able to go into full-on Schadenfreude mode, yes.

I will admit I cared a little bit about the characters in the sense that I was hoping R07 would flip everyone the bird and make the latter half of the series the 34 & Trollkastel Power Hour. At least I got one of those two things, I guess.

A good internet argument has more drama, better writing and a more satisfying conclusion than a bad VN.

>>6875361
But it doesn't have Ronove.

I downloaded Tsubasa's patch, but I'm running into some problems. Clicking the .exe of the patch opens the game, with the waves crashing but the screen remains black. Is anyone else having these problems?

This really reminds me of the fan reaction to MGS2, right down to the writer insulting certain portions of the fanbase. The difference is Kojima knew what he was doing. Ryu07... not so much.

>>6875510
you think so?

>>6875510
Didn't Kojima plan MGS to be the end to the Metal Gear series, and only write 2 after being forced into it? Rumor I heard, but can't verify.

>>6875567
He wanted to end at 2 because it said everything it needed to say but he got death threats.

>>6875447
Seconding. Anyone know what to do?

>>6875595

This anon reporting in;
>>6875447

I reinstalled to a different directory, and carefully copied all contents of the patch outside of the arc.nsa to my root folder. The translation is now working for me.

I'd say it was worth the time even if I didn't like the middle stretch of EP8. Ryukishi could have pulled it off if he hadn't rushed it like a kid trying to write his term paper an hour before it was due.

My favorite characters are Yasu/Beato, Battler, Will, Lion, and Dlanor. Least favorite characters were Featherinne and the useless rabbits. Erika has the shittiest fanbase, though.

Favorite episode was seven. Least favorite episode was six. What a pile of shit that was.

I kinda wanted a mystery, not a love story. I mean I get that I could have solved for that this was all what EP 8 says it is, but I was having more fun trying to figure out the closed rooms and culprit. It was still worth the time and was fun discussing

Favorite Character: Bern (Pre EP 7) Kyrie (EP 7) [I was waiting for Kyrie to get character development since the Leviathan battle, the wait was worth it]
Most Hated: George (If he didn't fall for Shannon, she might have taken Battler's return better)

I can't read japanese too well so, but based on the answer it gives and the reaction [I did play through it, just couldn't read]

3>5>7>2>>1>>>4>>>>>>>>>>>>6

Favorites:
Lucifer, Virgilia, Battler, Ronove, Beato, Eva, Rosa

Hated:
George/Shannon and Jessica/Kanon romance stories, bored me to tears.

I pretty much enjoyed all the episodes, except the sappy love story bits in episode 6,2 and 3.

>>6876016 Erika has the shittiest fanbase, though
I like her and I agree.

fuck you, beato, for turning me into a bawing girl. fuck you.
i have to delete this song out of my existence, it doesn't fit my manliness.

>>6875274
>The shitstorms were glorious to behold.

Best part of Umineko. And I've loved pretty much the entire series so far.

The ending will have to be REALLY bad (As in, as worse then the hyperbolic statements on 4chan say it is) for me to be soured on the series by this point.

>>6875119
>that's why Ange didn't look at the diary in the magic end
Except she did. She remembers that she already learned the truth from the diary, but despite all of that she will believe, that's the meaning of her defeating Bern's red. She also remembers that she DIED as Ange and will live as a witch from now on. Now tell me that the meta doesn't exist.

>Was it worth the time?

It was fun and i cared for the characters like i didn't for a long time, so yeah

>Who was your favoriter?

Bern, 34, Erika, Rosa, Eva, Kinzo, Virgilia, Kyrie, Ronove, Will and Leon

>most hated character?

Don't really hate one.. well, maybe Natsuhi, she became insufferable to me after ep VII.
I don't hate Beato and Battler, but they definitely losed their initial charm, and it's a pity.

>>6876917
It doesn't.
Ange died because she stopped using that name.
Witch = writer,Ange become a writer and such the creator of her own world.

>>6877708
>Ange died because she stopped using that name.
No, not really. It was before that, she didn't talk about her new name and she clearly said that she fell and died.

私はマリアージュ・ソルシエールの魔女、エンジェ・ベアトリーチェ。
I'm a witch of Mariage Sorciere, ANGE Beatrice.
「右代宮縁寿はさっき、ここから落ちて死んだわ。……ここにいる私は、魔
女のエンジェ。……生きるわ。魔女として。」
Ushiromiya Ange fell from here and died a little while ago. I who am here am a witch ANGE. I live. As a witch.


And what about knowledge of the truth from the diary?

It could be metaphorical. It's not necessarily proof of anything. Jumping down there is what she was PLANNING on doing so using that in a metaphor isn't exactly implausible

>>6877890
Maybe it's similar to how the Joker says that Jack Napier is dead. Ange seems about as mentally balanced as him after all.

>>6873975
>>6875256
>>6873980

Have a problem with my "HAPPY ENDING, goats?

>>6877917
>>6878219
Still doesn't explain her meta-knowledge.

Also, the very fact that there are multiple possible endings for Ange is a proof that we have something more than no-meta interpretation could offer.

For TSUBASA patch copy all the patch files except for arc.nsa into the tsubasa folder then run the patch exe. It worked for me when I did this.