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At least Higurashi actually tells you what happened. And not pretends to be a mystery, all the while reminding you about the heart.

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>>6863446
That's the twist. Higurashi was presented in a realistic setting, but couldn't be solved without supernatural elements. The setting of Umineko was LOLMAGIC, but in the end, everything is solved with elements of the real world.

>>6863449
or just delete the picture.

>>6863448

So the only thing Higurashi has as better story is Ryuu-chan didn't boasted about his writting.

>>6863451
>The setting of Umineko was LOLMAGIC, but in the end, everything is solved with elements of the real world.
Yeah, about that...

>>6863457

Cosplay is an element of the real world moron.

>>6863451
>but in the end, everything is solved with elements of the real world.
Yeah with LOLBUTLER AND MAID ARE THE SAME PERSON AND PERSONALITIES/IMAGINARY FRIENDS DIE WHEN THEY ARE KILLED

>>6863459

>LOLBUTLER AND MAID ARE THE SAME PERSON
More or less credible can happen.

>PERSONALITIES/IMAGINARY FRIENDS DIE WHEN THEY ARE KILLED
Your fault for relying in supernatural means to get a real world answer.

Who here actually figured out that the mastermind was Takano before it was revealed? To be honest, it really took me by surprise, but it also made a lot of sense.

>>6863460
No, ShKanon isn't credible or plausible in any ways.

>>6863458
As is an endless resurrection of some girl and an omniscience of the particular writer.

>>6863461

I did since the very first arc. Only I didn't knew I was supposed to find a culprit.

>>6863449
Almost nobody here cares about NSFW images as long as they're drawn(2D), or are you saying that people actually browse /jp/ from work? I'd be surprised if we had over 1% of the users browsing from their workplace.

>>6863461
Anyone who isn't completely stupid.
If you didn't realize she is obviously one of the culprit after Tatarigoroshi, you have some real problems.

>>6863464

It is. You can mistake persons for another, there are lots of people who look exactly identical to some other person you know. People don't start suspecting they are the same person, less when they are of different sex.

You can change a lot with a different hairdo or make up, I have live cases like those first hand.

The problem is autists can't understand shit about how "real world" works.

>>6863473
You can only fool strangers like this, not people you are living with and who knew you since you were a child.
It's fucking stupid and one of the crappiest plot device I saw in a mystery story, heck one of the main reason people didn't solve Umineko after episode 4 was because they rejected ShKanon for being too stupid.

>>6863477

And what kind of solution wouldn't people treat as stupid?

Seriously the theories were as retarded.

>>6863479
And that excuse anything?
Of course the theories were retarded, the fandom is composed of crazy fangirls and stupid neet.
But it's not the fandom's job to write Umineko.

>>6863451
>couldn't be solved without supernatural elements
What? Unless you count this disease as a supernatural element, it's all good, Hanyuu doesn't affect anything. But this isn't DETECTIVE fiction, where Knox's rules apply, so it's okay to be some disease. Furthermore, it never claims to be a mystery novel, nor it introduces some rules for those.

>>6863451
The mystery in Higurashi doesn't have supernatural elements and in Minagoroshi-hen it is solved without the use of the supernatural elements either when Oishi informs Rika that Takano's time of death doesn't match her disappearance (something she had never found out in previous worlds because Oishi didn't trust her since she was one of the heads). The moving between worlds is a framing device.

>>6863461
>>6863466
>>6863468

Real Higurashi culprit is Nomura. She used Takano weakness and then discarded her ...

Shannon did not actually crossdress as Kanon. Kanon just never existed for other people.

>>6863446
it was supposed to be unrealistic, that's the whole point.
miracle = something with extremely low chance of happening = unrealistic bullshit
Rika travelled 100 years worth of kakera to find it.

>>6863493
I hope you know how fucking retarded you are

>>6863446
In the end Okonogi was about to kill them so without the arrival of the Banken they would have lost. And you don't mind the presence of a counterintelligence unit but object to the presence of special forces?

And you think Umineko is realistic compared to Higurashi with its tons of gold hidden under a manor rigged to explode and a crazy transgender maid that inherit a vast fortune?

>>6863446
Why is Takanus showing her anus?

>>6863468
lots of people thought she's a red herring though.

>>6863499

How does one became kakera traveler ? Was this ever explained?

>>6863515
Rika is the reincarnation of a god and Hanyuu used her divine powers. What more explanation do you need?

>>6863515
A god as a sidekick.

>>6863504

>And you think Umineko is realistic compared to Higurashi with its tons of gold hidden under a manor rigged to explode and a crazy transgender maid that inherit a vast fortune?

It's not hard thing to do. There are many ways to move these quantities of gold. Booby trap is easy to make with related knowledge and logic. Transgender was never uncommon that uncommon thing in world.

>>6863464

Except it's actually, you know, right.

Yasu, the "true" Beatrice III, is Shannon is Kanon. Shannon is more or less her real self, Beatrice is the side of her that wanted to escape and become a witch, and Kanon is an imaginary friend that "Beatrice" made for "Shannon" to have after she became too lovesick waiting for Battler to return. The true culprits are Rudolf and Kyrie, who got Battler to join them. Battler nearly killed himself (and lost his memory) trying to rescue Yasu when she jumped off the cliff and committed suicide by drowning. The whole story is Hachijo Toya (Battler's body with an entirely new personality since the true Battler died) trying to figure out what happened. It's stupid, but that's what really happened.

>>6863484

The disease has to be something that actually exists. Knox's rules state that the culprit must be found without using some contrived "new" disease or some other ridiculous bullshit.

Honestly, the only thing I can think of to make Higurashi less ridiculous and still in-line with what was presented is that Hinamizawa Syndrome is a very odd-behaving unique strain of rabies. The people going insane from the disease actually exhibit symptoms of rabies...minus the whole clawing-out-your-own-throat thing.

So, now LOLBRAINPARASITES has been changed to SUPER RABIES. At least it's not AS ridiculous.

>>6863499
It wasn't supposed to be unrealistic. She explains that if it's happened, than it's not a miracle, but just an ordinary thing, that supposed to happen. The only miracle was that Rika caught the bullet to Hanyuu with her hand during the timestop. The rest was just as it was supposed to be.

>>6863529
I forgot to add that the crazy transgender maid inherits the vast fortune by solving a riddle.

You might be able to argue that individual elements are somewhat plausible, though I fail to see how that can apply to 10 tons of gold in the middle of nowhere, but the whole setup doesn't seem at all realistic to me.

Umineko is basically a soap opera, seriously.

>>6863533
>Knox's rules
They are rules for DETECTIVE fiction. Higurashi has no detective and it has *clues* (the main rule for mysteries) pointing to the disease.

>>6863533
you do realize brain parasites were just Takano's delusion, do you?

>>6863533
True. The syndrome is like a combination of rabies and herpes. It reactivates when the host is under stress and then drives him crazy and kills him. The fact it became weaker over the centuries is exactly how real diseases behave as well. What I found unrealistic about it is its limited distribution and the fact it disappears from the host when he dies. Otherwise it isn't that implausible.

>>6863546
No, they weren't. You don't make a working cure by studying a delusion. The only delusion was that the people would go crazy if Rika dies.

>>6863546

Well, there was a real disease being researched if her backstory is to be believed. Takano's brain parasites thing to me is only wrong in the fact that killing Rika should have resulted in complete village insanity. It still doesn't negate stuff that happened due to the instability of the cast.

Still...the fact that Hifumi, Miyo, and Irie didn't identify this as rabies really doesn't make sense. It just makes them look like terrible researchers.

>>6863549
from what i remember there was disease but no 'brain parasites'. might've gotten shit mixed up since i read it a few years ago.

>>6863549
And Hifumi's crazy theories about how ideologies and religions are actually the product of brain parasites that move from human to human (which Takano seems to believe as well at times). No wonder nobody wanted to fund that kook.

>>6863548

R07 probably got his idea from that, too. Rabies ends up making its victims go crazy towards the end, and paralyzing their throat, preventing them from drinking anything. Being afraid of water doesn't help, either. People either die from dehydration or severe brain damage. Syndrome takes this paranoia to a new level so that the victim believes something is in their throat and they claw it out...how something could affect you so bad to override the basic survival mechanism is beyond me, but that can be chalked up to creative license.

>>6863539

>You might be able to argue that individual elements are somewhat plausible, though I fail to see how that can apply to 10 tons of gold in the middle of nowhere, but the whole setup doesn't seem at all realistic to me.

You are basically saying that actions you are unable to do and need to be planned carefully with knowledge and logic are unrealistic. You are right in this way ... if you think that not high chance of success = unrealistic ...

>>6863556

It was brain parasites, or something. That's the only way it could affect mental functions. There actually are pathogens that can directly affect your brain, rabies being one of them. The only reason I chose that one is because of similarity of symptoms. Takano's right in that regard, but wrong in that there's a "queen" that's preventing a breakout. That was the result of stupidity in studying Rika and her family. The fact is that the entire Furude line is immune to the disease, and nothing more.

>>6863571
I'm saying that the idea that the remnants of the Italian fascist state had 10 tons of gold available and decided on a crazy gamble to send it around the world to Japan when the allies controlled the sea, especially the two exits from the Mediterranean, makes very little sense. Even if they had that kind of money, which is pretty unrealistic to begin with, they could have tried hiding it in Switzerland instead which was next to them.

>>6863504

Relocating the fortune is actually plausible. However, a single rebellion group from a broken nation possessing that kind of wealth is not. I'm not sure if a submarine can actually hold 10 tons of gold, much less if a fully-fueled sub can make it from the coast of Italy all the way to a remote Japanese island on one tank. Then, it could have come from Africa or something...

Rokkenjima was a military base, remember that. Kinzo was also a skilled engineer, so he could definitely rig up a bomb.

As for the whole "transgender maid" thing, Yasu is female. She's not transgender, just crazy. Kanon is an imaginary friend she cooked up, and could be said to never exist in the first place, not even as a crossdressing Yasu.

>>6863584

Harder to track and intercept a submarine. If they were traveling with that kind of gold, they could have easily been overrun by Allied forces by land even if they were being careful. At least R07 made his ridiculous event somewhat reasonable.

I'm getting bored, have a Bern.

>>6863592
The allies were monitoring the Gibraltar straits and of course the Suez canal. Trying to sneak through would have been insanely risky. And the Salo Republic shared a huge border with Switzerland so it would have been almost risk-free to move the gold there.

>>6863587
Dunno about the Italian navy but the Kriegsmarine had "Milk Cows" : others ships or submarines used to resupply U-boots in food/ammo/fuel. I don't think they had many left in 1945 however...

>>6863602
If they left from Italian East Africa they could enter straight into the Arabian Sea/ Indian Ocean without having to pass through the Suez or even the Gulf of Aden.

>>6863651
Oh, never mind, that was captured much earlier than I thought.

It's not like the sub made it there without a scratch. And it wasn't even the only sub that was send, right?

>>6863634
The Regia Marina did admittedly have a some submarines that were used for trading with Japan (such as the R class submarines), but they were sunk before the formation of the Salo Republic. By that point even if they had some left it would have been crazy to send them to Japan due to the allied dominance over the sea.

>>6863658
You mean they had multiple sets of 10 tons of gold they sent to Japan?

>>6863658

The sub wasn't attacked, though. There was a gas leak and they couldn't dock anywhere to repair.

>>6863841
But the gas leak was due to them bumping into a mine and seawater getting into the batteries. That creates chlorine: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60E15F9395C13738DDDAE0A94DB405B858DF1D3..

Frankly, my suspension of disbelief was too flexible to be snapped.

I forgot, who did kidnap the Minister of Construction? In the manga it's the Yaminu but the Sonozaki's say they did it.

If it's the Yamainu how the fuck can a government organization kidnap its own higherups? Wait... Nevermind.

R07's writing is never realistic but that's not the point of his stories anyway.
I love the way he explores mental disorders and delusions, I swear he might not be too competent but his characters are spot on. Yeah, this is his main strength, he makes wonderful characters, there's not a single character he wrote I can honestly say I dislike.

If you read Umineko or Higurashi expecting concrete mysteries then you missed the point by a long shot. I'm not a fan of either ending but I can't say they're badly written except for a few plotholes.

>>6863584
This. I would rather have had Kinzo/Beatrice raiding the boat with the Russian Gold that disappeared in Japan.

>>6863981
The opposite for me.
I dislike every character, save for Mion

>>6863981
>I love the way he explores mental disorders and delusions
R07's dempa is really weak, you should read more VNs.

And most of the characters in Umineko are really bland and undeveloped.

>>6863987
>Russian Gold that disappeared in Japan.
What was this?

This image appears NSFW, let me call my boss over to verify this.

>>6864011
In 1920 Russia lost a lot of their treasury. Kinzo/Beatrice could melted it into new bars to prevent the identification of it's origins.

>During the Russian Civil War, Hetman Semenov of the Russian White Army placed a large amount of gold coins (originating in the Russian Empire gold reserves) well in excess of 10 tons as a deposit into the Bank of Joseon, central bank of Korea under Japanese rule. A fraction of it was used to pay for war supplies. More was later handed over by major Pavel Petrov under his command to the head of Japanese military mission in Russia, one colonel Isome -- 20 boxes of gold coins and 2 boxes of bars. None of that particular shipment was ever tracked down, and of the 425 tons of gold that the White Army appropriated, only about 184 tons were spent. Much of what remained ended up the property of Bank of Tokyo after WWII, but a lot is unaccounted for.

And Taiwan was a gold mine for Japan during the war period. And during the war, the Japanese government was smuggling gold out of the country in desperation. Kinzo might have intercepted a shipment. R7 had a lot of options for plausible histories on where he got the gold from but didn't use 'em.

>>6864051
It could be the runaway italians found/stole that gold en-route and later claimed it was theirs. Nanjo ponders on the possibility that the faded one winged eagle was actually a two-headed one, and you know what the Romanov coat of arms is.

>425 tons of gold that the White Army appropriated, only about 184 tons were spent.
>425 tons of gold
>184 tons spent
brb scuba diving.

>>6864051
I think that Ryukishi had to have the gold come from Italy in some way, if only to keep the whole Divine Comedy thing going.

>>6863533
>Battler nearly killed himself (and lost his memory) trying to rescue Yasu when she jumped off the cliff and committed suicide by drowning. The whole story is Hachijo Toya (Battler's body with an entirely new personality since the true Battler died) trying to figure out what happened. It's stupid, but that's what really happened.

This wasn't what happened on Rokkenjima prime you fucking tard, that's the ending of the series.

And stop taking Bern fucking game seriously

>>6864856
What did happen on prime then?

>>6864873

We don't know, but that's the poiint.

You guys believe that the scene where Battler and Beatrice drown happen in the same time frame of Kyrie and Rudolf killing spree, witch is FALSE.

Yeah, that part was silly, but i didn't mind in the end, at some point i stopped caring and went along with the ride.

I think, despite everything, the ending kinda fit and i felt fulfilled.

>>6864890
>PS2 art

>>6864890
You didn't like funny Meakashi? I thought her investigation methods were pretty hilarious.

>>6864913
The "you can't see how funny it is with just a glance" way of saying it by the writer himself is pretty retarded too.
It's not like he can't handle the endings - it's mostly that he makes up the first, the most obvious thing for the ending of this, ever, and fills a whole episode making it so.

>>6863538 The only miracle was that Rika caught the bullet to Hanyuu with her hand during the timestop.
...that's actually pretty important, because it's a miracle in a completely different meaning than it was presented in the story until then. Basically, without breaking the form of the whole story, either Hanyuu doesn't really exist or Rika's world doesn't really exist.
Either way Matsuribayashi also displays symptoms of being "made up".

>>6864987

Rika is just a crazy girl who dreamed of everything, didn't you read Rei?

All of it was just a dream in the end

Fuck you all, I was glad that the solution to everything was hot Tomitake dickings.

>>6865204
The sinless world was real. Hanyuu sent her there because Rika died in the previous world. Rika definitely didn't consider it a dream, and as she says Hanyuu saying it was a dream was Hanyuu's way of telling her to live as a human and to stop thinking about alternate worlds. Plus, she wants to assuage Rika's guilt over her murdering her mother. And we see Bern creating that world by saving Miyoko's parents in the 25th piece. The world she ends up in is one similar to Matsuribayashi-hen, the only difference being that Rika's head didn't end up getting driven over by that truck.

>>6865278

>The world she ends up in is one similar to Matsuribayashi-hen

Doesn't it seem a bit contradictory to the spirit of a one-of-a-kind miracle if there's a second one just like it lying around?

>>6865286
Not really. From the moment Rika managed to unlock that world, Hanyuu was able to find a similar one. After all in order to get to the original Matsuribayashi world in the first place Rina/Bern and Hanyuu had to play around with the previous kakera and use them to reach it.

Rika, Hanyuu, and all the witches from Umineko, are aliens.

>>6863446
THAT TAKANUS

>>6865319
Go back to sleep Rena.

So the true ending for Rika is a happy one then. But how does Bern come about? Did she "split off" from Rika like Rei seemed to suggest, or how does that work?

Or does Ryukishi just make it up as he goes along?

Im gonna start reading Matsuribayashi-hen. Guys, is there any patch that would give me a font hack and hide UI for this episode? i only found the music patch for it.

>>6865333

Every time Rika died and went to another world a copy of her was left into a "pool" into the Meta-World.

Over the years, this pool started to become alive, and so Bern was born

>>6865333
The Umineko Bern is a figment of Battler's imagination.

>>6865333

Bern and Rika split, yes.
Bernkastel accomplished her miracle and let Rika live as a human, forgetting the hundred years of torment.
She then became a witch and trolled across the worlds.

Rika and Bern were always two in one. There are many, many Rikas, and one Bernkastel. Bernkastel is the original Rika who's consciousness has moved across kakera, taking over a new Rika each time.

>>6865351
Rika didn't forget her past. And the Rika we know from Higurashi is Higurashi's Bernkastel. The original Rikas of each world have their memories wiped and replaced by Bernkastel so we never see them. If they Rika and Bern do split that happens at the end of Saikoroshi-hen when Rika decides to die like a normal human.

>>6865351
>who's

>>6865349
>>6865368
So Higurashi's and Umineko's Bernkastel are different entities?

>>6865345
>>6865349
>>6865351
>>6865368
>>6865393

>>6865393
Yes. Rika demonstrably shows continuity between worlds and Hanyuu exists and interacts with other characters. Witches on the other hand are not real in Umineko.

>>6865393

!Nipaa0mi0 wants to think so, but there's no implication to the contrary.

>>6865409
My face after reading those comments

>>6865393

!Nipaa0mi0 wants to think so, but there's no implication to the contrary.

>>6865413

Uu, meta exists.

>>6865421
So you think that in the Umineko universe there exist heavenly agencies that operate based on rules written by early 20th century mystery novelists? The metaworld is in Battler's head.

The thing that makes me saddest about Umineko being over is that it will become less and less likely that H-doujinshi will be released.

No Bern femdom ;_;

>>6865431

>So you think that in the Umineko universe there exist heavenly agencies that operate based on rules written by early 20th century mystery novelists?

Yes, because that is AWESOME.

>The metaworld is in Battler's head.

No, it just uses his head as a conduit to the real world.

>>6865459
The word that springs to my mind isn't 'awesome' but 'absurd'. And how do you explain the fact that Battler's caretaker/fuckbuddy appears in the metaworld as the most powerful and ancient witch that the other witches defer to?

>>6865431

1- It's a motherfucking visual novel
2- Despite what /jp/ claim, it's very ambiguous of whatever Toya is Battler prime or Meta-Battler with his memories erased. Or both.

>>6865452
there are quite a few H dojins and i even recall one with Bern femdom. google more.

>>6865472

>The word that springs to my mind isn't 'awesome' but 'absurd'.

Thenthatmeansyou'renotawesome.jpg

>And how do you explain the fact that Battler's caretaker/fuckbuddy appears in the metaworld as the most powerful and ancient witch that the other witches defer to?

Because that's what she is.
Featherine is the true form, Ikuko is the human avatar.

>>6865501
Let's invert the checkerboard then. Why would Featherine in human form be Battler's caretaker/fuckbuddy? What makes that better than contrived coincidence?

>>6865319
>>6865323
I giggled.

>>6865485
No way, I've scoured the internet for hours and I've only found:

1. A BernXLambda one
2. A BernXLambdaXErikaXGoats one
3. A BernXBattler one (produced shortly after EP1 so its essentially RikaXBattler)

>>6865516

Because she liked Battler's story so much that she felt he got screwed by the ending.

>>6865735
Because Featherine is a beacon of compassion?

>>6867711

Sure, to artists she likes.

>>6865516

Let's invert it again.

Why would R07 spend so much on time on Meta (including an ending for every meta-character) do deny them in the end?

>>6867731
Where do you draw that conclusion from?

>>6868455
All the stories that the majority of umineko focuses upon are fictional, but the metaworld is somehow sacrosanct?

>>6868455

>>6868463
>All the stories that the majority of umineko focuses upon are fictional, but the metaworld is somehow sacrosanct?

They are not fictional if you allow the meta-world to exist, the nature of the "stories" inside the catbox become ambiguous

People are still trying to decide objectively whether meta exists or not?
Give up, R07 ambiguously supported both in game. Enjoy arguing over whether gray is white or black for the rest of your lives.

>>6868534
Pro-meta was supported much more in this ep. Anti-meta, realistic explanation could only work if we basically disregard anything we know, thus demeaning its "realisticness".

>>6868549

The episode that ended with Amnesia Battler making stuff up?
Yeah, sure

>>6868740
And Ange by a strange coincidence knowing and experiencing the same stuff he made up, yeah.

>>6868748
Which he wrote in books she probably read and could have been talking about referring to her "character" instead of her real self

>>6868752
Which exactly matches with her real self (if you count her in the ending as real), down to the small details, that aren't really public.

>>6868758
Except Battler says they knew all along from Okonogi who Ange was and what she was doing. Everything else, like Sakutarou, he could've heard from Maria herself during the family meeting.

>>6868767
>Except Battler says they knew all along from Okonogi who Ange was and what she was doing.
Except he didn't say that.
On the contrary it's Ange who thinks that very few people knew how to get to her when she changed her name and they wouldn't tell anyone. And Battler's memory returned to him after she changed her name.

やがて記憶は戻ったのだろう。
しかし、その頃にはもう私は、寿ゆかりとして新しい人生を歩み出していた
。
私の居場所は小此木社長を含めた一握りの人しか知らない。
兄が私に連絡を取ろうとしても、それが叶わなかった可能性はとても高い。

>>6868767
>Except Battler says they knew all along from Okonogi who Ange was and what she was doing. Everything else, like Sakutarou, he could've heard from Maria herself during the family meeting.

Does also Battler have mind reading power so he can read the mind of everyone on the island?

>>6868549
Yeah. It's still ambiguous, so you could argue or believe either way, but it's also pretty obvious Ryukishi was going out of his way to be very nice to pro-meta people in both endings.

>>6869262
So why is Japan raging so hard? I doubt they find R07 nice

>>6869058
That's a non-issue, he could have invented everything in the flashback, there's no one alive to challenge him anyways.
>>6868794
Fine, I was psobably misremembering, but since you have the script available, mind posting something ??? Ange says that we were shown in game and she couldn't have known through reading Battler's books? If I remember correctly, she acts like she never met Tohya before, so all the meta between her and Featherine didn't actually happen.

>>6869282

Because no answer

>>6869282
Japan is raging because of one or a combination of:

- no answer provided
- perception of Ryukishi insulting his fans
- EP8 is pretty badly written

I actually don't like EP8 either, mostly because of the third reason. The actual ending and the premise of the episode itself is fine. Unfortunately, actually getting there involves ridiculous, redundant plotting, flattening everyones' characters and/or making them into morons, and lots of flashy empty fanservice that doesn't actually amount to anything.

>>6865409
I lol'd.

>>6869283
When Ange realizes that the person in front of her is different from her brother, she remembers that witch declared him dead in red. She also calls herself 未来の魔女 (witch of future). This title wasn't mentioned in any previous episodes and was used only in ep8.

だって、魔女があんなにも、赤き真実で、兄は死んだと、繰り返してたじゃ
ないか。
いつだってみんなは一緒にいると誓った、未来の魔女が、反魂の魔女が、情
けない。

I'm surprised anyone had faith in 07 after Higurashi. It's the same pattern. Draw people in with a good couple murders, then suddenly start writing soppy crap.

>>6869584
Again, couldn't she just be referring to the book-episode 8, which she must have read?

>>6869592
He lost most of his fans during Umineko and the last remaining ones with episode 8.
Nobody is going to expect anything anymore

>>6869600
What book? Ep8 isn't even remotely a forgery they write. It isn't a mystery to begin with. Furthermore, it transcends into reality at some point.

>>6869613
>What book? Ep8 isn't even remotely a forgery they write
But it is. Battler and Bern say it's a gameboard and act like in previous episodes, Featherine even changes the fucking script in real time, it all points to it being just another episode, the reason it feels more real is because Battler is regaining his actual memories.

>>6869627
Battler regained his actual memories when he started writing forgeries. You can't write them not knowing the truth, you know.

>Featherine even changes the fucking script in real time
Because she's a creator witch. She promises to write a future for Ange based on her choice and makes just that.

But as I said, an explanation about everything being a lie and Tohya's fiction isn't any better than magical one.

I haven't finished Umineko so I'm not going to say anything about that, but am I the only one who liked Higurashi's ending?

>>6869600
Wait, let me get this straight. So now you're saying that not only Tohya wrote about Ange, after investigating her (which is at least possible, though improbable), but Ange herself (adult, quite old version) is delusional enough that after reading some "adventures of some fictional, completely made up, character Ange" she projected that image and other traits on her real self and now believes in it, right? And why exactly would she do something like that? It's not like it was her favorite manga series or anything. In fact, she kinda hated Tohya at that time, because she thought that he/she used Rokkenjima story only for publicity.

>>6871890
I liked the ending of Higurashi too. After everything the characters had been through, it was good to see them live happily.

>>6871890
It was kind of cheesy, but I liked it.

Me too, the part where they fought Takano's men was a trainwreck, but the rest was kinda fitting

>>6872902
Then why don't you let Umineko characters rest peacefully in Golden Land after all they had been through?

>>6873123
I think it was still okay in the novel. The anime, on the other hand. Jesus christ that scene

>>6873123
>the part where they fought Takano's men
Wasn't really better or worse than dozens of other similar scenes in all episodes.

>>6873740

I don't know, fighting on the school roof is a thing, taking out an entire squadron of grow up men another.

Beside, how did Satoko manage to dig holes that deep, or to cut trees?

>>6873810
She had been setting traps on that hill for years.

>>6873698
Fuck the Umineko cast. I didn't like most of the characters and the one I preferred were Bern and Erika who opposed all the "without love it cannot be seen" crap. And Umineko started out as a more straightforward mystery so I'd prefer a more naturalistic explanation to "it was all magic". Hell, even in Higurashi the mystery itself had a naturalistic explanation.