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Seacats Episode 1 Anonymous Sun Jan 9 22:38:37 2011 No.6784058 [Reply] [Original]

I've started re-reading EP1 as of some days ago, and I currently got to the First Twilight. It seems clear to me that this episode is the best of them all. I think that magic and witches and killer-bunnies gave this vn a unique approach, but with magic messing everything and-what-not the real murder mystery blurred more than necessary.

Anyway, getting back, I've read all 7 translated EP's so far, and there was a set of winks or foreshadowings I managed to catch this time around, p.e.:

- When the adults question Maria about the umbrella, there's a part where Shannon enters the dinning room and Maria neatly says "Beatrice" as if she was refering to the person that just arrived.

- Shannon seems to accept George's ring based more in the order that he gives her, than in a desire to correspond his feelings.

Etc.

Anyway, EP1 thread. Anyone agree this is the best of them all? I lost my enthusiasm 10% with each following episode.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 22:43:37 2011 No.6784091 EP1 was the second worst episode.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 22:44:37 2011 No.6784100 >>6784091 Don't worry, no need to explain any further sarcasm off

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 22:48:37 2011 No.6784113 >>6784100 It had awful pacing and just all around bad writing you can tell R07 wasn't sure where he was taking the series when he was writing it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 22:58:37 2011 No.6784170 File: 580 KB, 966x798, antifantasyantimystery.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I liked EP1 the best. It was interesting with good build-up and suspense. I was genuinely scared when I first read it and didn't know what the series was about.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:01:37 2011 No.6784182 EP3, EP4 and EP5 are better.

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Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:02:37 2011 No.6784185

To me is seems very obvious that Eva and Hideyoshi are in on something, whether it's a fake murder mystery or whatnot. First there's Hideyoshi very obviously faking for Shannon's corpse, then right after everyone goes back to the mansion, Eva approaches Battler and starts making him think about who could be behind this and why.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:03:37 2011 No.6784187 I don't care what anyone says, damn it. This story will have a happy ending.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:06:37 2011 No.6784214 >>6784100 rofl!! grabs dick, chase's after you sarcasm off OR IS IT!?!?! XD

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:06:37 2011 No.6784215 am I the only one who liked both the mystery and magic/meta parts? i mean, they are there to fun things up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:07:37 2011 No.6784220 How about the part where Eva says it could have been Shannon in a dress? Or the part where Kanon is the only one who obviously fakes his death and Beatrice is still free killing people at the end?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:10:37 2011 No.6784238 >>6784215 Yep. Out of all Umineko readers, it's only you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:13:37 2011 No.6784256 File: 1.96 MB, 842x2379, 1262565337777.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just red herrings here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:14:37 2011 No.6784263 "second worst?" Besides ep 2, it was one of my last hopes that Umineko would be mainly focused on horror. The creepy piano music during the rain and Tea Party was great. So were the murders and everyone getting paranoid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:16:37 2011 No.6784274 File: 1.84 MB, 645x2777, 1266195272060.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:17:37 2011 No.6784281 Anyone wanna see Genji's backstory and why he's such a loyal, emotionless robot? It's fucking ridiculous, up to the point where he dies and does all this crazy shit due to loyalty to the "head."

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:19:37 2011 No.6784287 File: 504 KB, 640x480, 1284843504492.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:19:37 2011 No.6784293 >>6784281 Genji has some backstory in episode 8.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:23:37 2011 No.6784307 >>6784281 Genji is probably more loyal to Yasu as the head than anything. He's like another father him/her. Also, the crazy stuff he does was fictional anyway. We don't know how complicit he would be in reality.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:24:37 2011 No.6784311 >>6784307 >We don't know How much do we really know, anyways?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:30:37 2011 No.6784350 OP, I don't like to get angry about trivial things, but if anyone tried to tell me that an episode other than 1 was the best of the series, I would argue the fuck out of them. I can't wait to reread the question arcs, now that I've read 7.

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Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:49:37 2011 No.6784427

EP1 was the best episode. We knew nothing of the soon to be trainwreck that is Umineko, and we were roped into what we thought was an endearing murder mystery, with what promised to be a battle against an evil witch at the end.

And somehow, we ended with EP8, oh how the mighty have fallen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:58:37 2011 No.6784467 >>6784427 I can't help but think 8 episodes of basically episode 1 done in a different order wouldn't be any good. Not that the way the series went is good, but I don't think that would be good either.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 9 23:58:37 2011 No.6784468 >>6784427 But episode 8 was good. Just because you didn't like the ending doesn't make the entire episode not good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:00:37 2011 No.6784479 I thought it was the worst episode, honestly. It just felt like nothing at all was going on for a good deal of it. It was mostly just repetitive and redundant dialogue until the second twilight. THEN it started to get interesting.

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Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:02:37 2011 No.6784491

>>6784468
But the ending was like the best part of episode 8. That isn't saying much, what was the need for SEA OF STUPID GOATS WITH STUPID NO LOVE THEORIES EATING THE ISLAND AND THEN BOARDING META PIRATE SHIPS TO INVADE THE META GOLDEN LAND WHILE ANGE AND BATTLER SNEAK INTO BERN'S BASE AND FIGHT HER?

It has no substance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:07:37 2011 No.6784512 File: 1.18 MB, 388x272, Battler air guitar.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6784491 Because it's awesome, that's why

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:10:37 2011 No.6784530 >>6784512 It sounds like a fanfiction.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:10:37 2011 No.6784527 >>6784512 Sadly, I think this was Ryukishi's thought. He just up and decided making things fit together takes too much thought, and dinosaurs with laser eyes are far better to read about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:14:37 2011 No.6784555 >>6784512 Well THAT is pretty awesome.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:15:37 2011 No.6784557 File: 22 KB, 512x384, Battler MANLY OBJECTION.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6784555 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0CvXRinUc4 This thread is now about this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:15:37 2011 No.6784558 >>6784530 It sounds like a lot of campy fun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:17:37 2011 No.6784562 Oh look, it's this thread again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:18:37 2011 No.6784565 1-4 was mystery. 5-8 is fantasy. Mysteryfags like question arcs better, fantasyfags like answer arcs better. It's that easy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:23:37 2011 No.6784586 File: 26 KB, 485x359, ange.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6784557 I thought Ange looked kind of funny in this one. Also, not fat.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:24:37 2011 No.6784592 >>6784565 The meta stuff might have been better if it actually had good characters. Bern/Lambda/Beatrice etc laughing all the time just has no depth. Only Battler was half-interesting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:26:37 2011 No.6784598 >>6784592 I rather like Ronove, Virgilia, Gaap, and the most of the furniture.

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Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:35:37 2011 No.6784646

Im confused on one thing, was the point of eva- trice, just to show just what would happen if eva found the gold instead of everybody at once? and all those battles were really eva trice just going around killing people? my mind is alittle foggy but was yasu in the hidden room with the gold when eva got there? if she already got the gold and won, why was she killing everbody? I forgot alot i guess..

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:37:37 2011 No.6784654 >>6784565 This. >>6784592 What? Only Bernkastel could remotely fall under the category of "just laughing all the time," and as much as I hate her even she has a story behind why she's such a bitch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:39:37 2011 No.6784659 >>6784646 I stopped trying to make any sense of it and just go with the flow. Waiting for somebody to spoon-feed me the details once the dust settles.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:42:37 2011 No.6784674 >>6784646 Eva-Beatrice is basically the embodiment of Eva's desire to protect Ange by letting herself be painted as a culprit. After all, she IS Ange's number one ally.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:43:37 2011 No.6784680 >>6784646 please some body help me on this, im never gonna go to sleep until i her the answer...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:48:37 2011 No.6784705 >>6784680 Without love it cannot be seen!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:53:37 2011 No.6784733 >>6784592 You joking right? Battler is shit. Lambda, Bern and Erika are 10 times better. Just like Beatrice in episodes 1-3.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 00:55:37 2011 No.6784743 >>6784733 Gee, I don't know, man. I kind of like Battler.

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Anonymous Mon Jan 10 01:04:37 2011 No.6784800

>>6784743
yeah but he was boring and emo since ep5, we also get no more character development with him at all, even when he fucking fucking main character, every ep since ep5 i was waiting for him to come outta no where and do something awesome, instead we got shit,

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 01:04:37 2011 No.6784805 >>6784674 You are now aware that the scene of Eva-Beatrice ripping apart Beato as she tries to defend Kanon represents Eva trying to disarm the bomb

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 01:06:37 2011 No.6784812 >>6784800 >get no more character development with him at all Proof that you weren't paying any attention to anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 01:06:37 2011 No.6784815 >>6784805 Nope.gif

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 01:07:37 2011 No.6784819 >>6784805 Get out of my head, Charles.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 01:07:37 2011 No.6784821 >>6784215 Nah. It's just that everyone on /jp/ hates everything to sound edgy.

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Anonymous Mon Jan 10 01:09:37 2011 No.6784828

>>6784743
yeah but he was boring and emo since ep5, we also get no more character development with him at all, even when he fucking fucking main character, every ep since ep5 i was waiting for him to come outta no where and do something awesome, instead we got shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 01:26:37 2011 No.6784912 >>6784646 Ep3 is to show why it doesn't matter if someone did solve the epitaph. The solver will become the new murderer for greed. So yes, in ep3, Eva killed everyone with the help of Yasu/Beatrice, who submitted to the new owner of the gold

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 01:33:37 2011 No.6784954 >>6784828 Let me guess, you are 16 and your favourite character is probably Bern because SHE IS SO CRUEL XD SO AWESOME

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 10 01:36:37 2011 No.6784975 >>6784954 no my favorite character is 34 because shes cake.

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