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>This is the end of Umineko.
Rei

>>6744931
Doesn't matter.
Rei will be something after the main story just like in Higurashi.

It won't have impact on real story.
Enjoy your CONGRATULATIONS.

Wow Ryu...that was bad.

He clearly doesn't give a fuck anymore.

I'm actually okay with this ending. Ambiguous stories are fine too.

I would have just preferred a standard Golden Age mystery, but I guess I'll have to make do with this.

>>6744950
Saikoroshi-hen was the epilogue of the entire series and followed directly after Matsuribayashi-hen. I can't see how you can say it had no impact.

>>6744950
Look at it this way, if there's anything after the events of Old Battler, it means something more than the after-events of the tale where Rika already won and nothing else is left unsolved or matters.

Remember hours after c79 when we though only skanontrice fags where only going to be trolled?

Can someone please explain to me who the fuck this Ikuko (or...whatever) I keep hearing about is?

>>6744995

Its AuAu/old-Toya, Toya as of now is Battler's new name after he lost his memories.

I can really see continuation of Umineko after this scene.

Also I didn't see bittersweet ending anywhere.
It was BAD END + at best.

I wish BT lived, maybe chiru 6, and 8 would have been good. (and 7 would have been even better ;_;)

Bernkastel said in red that this game won't have a happy ending.
But Batora said it will.
;_;

Here we go again....

>>6745066
EVA end is in vogue lately.
I hadn't seen so many since then late 90s

:|

Whoa whoa what the fuck.

We got spoilers and all but no one told me there was a "conclusive" scene....
Fuck.

>>6745054
Nah, the problem with Umineko obviously stems from early in the series. He just didn't plan out a good story, but it was fun for a while, right?

>>6745123
Well I thought episode 3 was pretty good at least.

I'm more sad that I won't hear dai for as often now, honestly he was the only reason I kept up with this series.

Hopefully he will work on other doujins or even commercial products, his work in Aqua After was great.

>>6745142
dai is an offical member of 07th Expansion now, as music director. He probably won't go away assuming R07 keeps writing.

>>6745054
I just realized how Yasu survived that duel with Natsuhi.

Natsuhi probably had the shitty gun Rudolf used in Episode 7.

I teared up.
Fuck.

Still horrible ending for everyone.

>>6745156
>dai is an offical member of 07th Expansion now, as music director
FUCK

>"Why you are sitting on a wheelchair?"

Well, I hope you guys are still willing to watch a little bit of EP8 with me, even though you are all still raging~

http://plus4chan.org/tv/fullstream.php?channel=teapartyofcertainty

>>6745192
Well, I may have burst into tears, but you burst into treats.

>>6745185

Misery theory is going to be my standby till Rei.

>>6745192

TLDR: If you kill yourself you can go to the Golden Land.

>>6745192

>>6745222

Is it better than gensokyo?

>>6744931
What makes you so sure we're getting an umineko rei?

>>6745274

He said so in an interview

>>6745274
>『うみねこ』の「礼」も描きたいし、次の新しい作品も描きたいし。
ずっと引き篭もりだったので、色々なところに遊びにいって、勉強をしたい
です！

Was yasu's true gender ever covered?

>>6745304

Without love, it cannot be seen.

>>6745304
Nope.

So how did this end?

>>6745319

Badly.

>>6745322
Elaborate please. Been away frmo /jp/

>>6745304
Yasu never existed.

>>6745307

Not even a slight hint? "incapable of love" sounds alot more like a dickchop that a fused-up vagina.

>>6745329
The ending was so shitty it made people go insane from the buttmad.

>>6745319

It was all the dream of an amnesiac Battler who survived Rokkenjima with mild brain damage.
Witches = amnesia itself, he battles them to earn his memories back.

>>6745329

tl;dr It was all a dream

>>6745319
Horrible.

>>6745329
Fucking masterpiece. the japs are raving about how good it is despite the previous episodes being a let down. Great conclusion. ??? was the highlight of the episode

>>6745319
Mysteries left unsolved.
Meta world completely denied.

Everyone is mad.

>>6745345
also bernkastel is a cat and lambdadelta is a cake

I wonder how low-key R07 is keeping it right now. This isn't 1997 where you can piss off fans and still live your life in the open with nobody knowing and only have a few death threats in snail mail.

>>6745377

why are people so butthurt? what kind of ending did you all expect, exactly?

>>6745380
One that the story was alluding to in some form that wrapped up the plot holes.

>>6745380
You realize that Ryu said fuck you to EVERYTHING in Umineko?

Characters
Colored text
Meta World
Episodes

>>6745380
Have you ever been in an Umineko thread? It's mostly speculation about what that meta stuff all means, and ALL of that was basically just waved away as delusions that essentially don't mean anything. Everyone invested in fanwanking about the Umineko cosmology is mad as hell.

Personally, I think it serves them right for getting invested in such a wonky and arbitrary cosmology in the first place - they really should have seen that coming, especially considering how Higurashi ended.

>>6745400
lolbrainparasites

Thought to be honest knowing that there is going to be a Rei I'm just going to view future Battler the same way that I view future Rena in Higurashi for now.

That ending song is godly, I dunno what you're sorry about.

>>6745329
Meta-world is actually the delusional mind of forty-something years old Battler, who suffers from amnesia and lives with Tokiko aka Hachijo/Featherine. He recreates the events of the island trying to remember what really happened.

Meta-world confirmed as crazy battler mind, character backgrounds denied since it was just Battler making up stuff, mystery never happened, Shkannontrice's being crazy and having gender issues may or may not have actually existed, everyone's personalities are left unknown since Battler was away for 6 years and forgot everything about the day he came back to the island.

tldr; meta-world denied, mysteries never happened and left hanging, character development retconed

fantasyfags and mysteryfags, yasufags and anti-yasufags, shkannontricefags kanoniszerofags etc everyone got trolled

Also he only meets Ange 20 years after the Rokkenjima incident.

>>6745424

>character backgrounds denied

which characters? the real-world characters?

>>6745329
I just don't get why ppl have so high expectations from a guy who wrote about LOLbrainalienparasites.

>>6745444
I think Alchemist were the ones that added the Alien part.

It had been better than Higurashi for a while. Than BT died and everything went to hell.

>>6745443
There is no "real" world, at least none of which we have reliable first-hand accounts.

>>6745444
They weren't alien, did you even read Higurashi? That was a much better explanation and motive than anything we got in Umineko.

I just realized that Maria probably learned to load a tube-fed levergun from Rudolph.

>>6745463
>>6745454

What was the actual explanation for the syndrome?

>>6745471
Brain parasites.

Alchemist added the Alien part in their PS2 port.

>>6745463
It was better than "JUST A DREAM LOL", but it certainly didn't deliver on what Higurashi seemed to promise at first. It was in fact quite the opposite to the Umineko ending: Instead of just making everything irrelevant, it provided an ending that was too real, too trite, to convenient for what had come before. But the fact of the matter is that Ryukishi can't write endings.

>>6745380
Sincerely? Some wangst cliched background for Kyrie and a whydunnit for Rudolf better than lolgold, explanation of what happened to Yasu from 1984 to 1986 to make her want to explode the island, explaining exactly what is the reason she can't love, the gender issues. Also explaining Kanon since he was ignored in ep7 and how his relationship with Jessica worked and make the entire meta-world into a dream Yasu had after being shot by Kyrie but surviving just like Eva, so either she could escape with Battler or die redeemed somehow. And Ange to live happy with Eva.

I think that just the meta-world being yasu's delusions instead of amnesiac Battler's would be enough, at least it would not retcon the character development we had so far.

Kinzo seems like a rather fun guy, actually. So much for that crazy, miserable depressed old man he was until now.

>>6745497
lol shitty machine translations

>>6745443
Yes, the "rewal world" characters since there's no way Battler would know stuff like Maria's autistic childhood with Sakutaro and imaginary friends, Kinzo's past with Beatrice during the war, Eva's shattered childhood dreams and inner demons, Jessica's school life, Shannon's relationship with George, the entire incest and both of Yasu's mental and phisical health issues, the whole Shkannontrice stuff

There's just no way he can know most of this stuff so we just take it as "he made it up"

>>6745487
>I think that just the meta-world being yasu's delusions instead of amnesiac Battler's would be enough, at least it would not retcon the character development we had so far.

I think the same thing, and it's pretty much all I expected out of this Ep. Yasu creating these romantic fantasies of her being an alluring witch for Battler and coping with the murders is so much more appealing to me than lolamnesia.

I'm starting to think the whole point of Umineko was to create a fill-in-the-blank for every ambiguity in the story. Just like Battler made shit up over and over again to fill in the gaps of his memory.

Ryu said he wasn't going to hold the reader's hand, but it feels like he slapped it away instead.

I'm laughing so hard right now.

See I felt so fucking insulted at the end of Higurashi back then, that I straight out refused to read Umineko because I had absolutely zero confidence in ryukishi as a storyteller. Simply put, to me, he proved that he couldn't write worth a damn.

And now you fags that refused to accept this simple fact are getting your just desert. This is too good.

Enjoy your CONGRATULATION.

>>6745526

Well hey, it started out pretty interesting. He made lovable, memorable characters and is good at tension.

>>6745535
Yeah, but that's all he is good at - it was exactly the same thing with Higurashi. And in the end it just all kind of collapses under its own weight.

First of all, I don't know where this "Battler wrote those stories to get his memory back" bullshit came from, but I highly doubt it. He showed signs of getting his memory back before he started writing, and he showed signs of his "self denial" before he started writing them too. Why would someone who demonstrated that he's TERRIFIED of those memories, so terrified that he's even afraid to meet his sister for nearly 30 years, and it keeps him awake at night afraid he's going to lose himself. So why would someone like that go out of his way to TRY to remember? Those stories were most likely written after he remembered and he was just using them as a good idea for a mystery, that's all.

Also, most of the issues in the story already have enough hints to solve(Rudolph and Kyrie's motives, why Yasu did what she did, etc) to know without having to spell out it. The people raging are the ones who want shit spoonfed to them.

Trick ore toriiito!

>>6745552

goddamnit, what stream was this?

>>6745547
That's just speculation though, even if it seems somewhat plausible. And anyway, the much bigger issue is that all the meta stuff (which the series spent the vast majority of time for, especially in the later episodes) is entirely meaningless.

>>6745535

What good is that when it's all in vain, when the story itself is meaningless, when the conclusion is completely devoid of anything you liked about the actual story ?

The characters aren't even that good anyway. Mostly they were par for the course, only made out to be more than they were because of the MYSTERY, and the fact that through all the different stories, a lot of things about them had accumulated in your mind. Without the whole mystery thing ? There's really little about them.

You can smell the buttmad amd resignation of Ryu from here.

I guess he loved BT much more than just a "friend".

you can go about this like the canterbury tales,
its a story within a story...or something...

>>6745555
Here
>>6745192

>>6745555
This one
>>6745192

>>6745555
This one
>>6745192

HEY GUYS LOOK AT THAT FAMILY LOVE

>>6745566
The only thing that makes me think that is the "This story is dedicated to the great witch Beatrice" bit at the end.

Really? A fictional character and not your partner who died while making it?

>>6745526

I don't get what's so awful about the Higurashi ending, but I've only seen the anime. Is it much worse in the VN? It was a bit cheesy and dumb but I kind of liked that. It was the characters overpowering the horror and grimdark shit they'd be trapped in, that's the way I looked at it.

>>6745585
Daww they look so cute together

>>6745590
Beatrice
>B**T***

>>6745590
Erm...BT = BeaTrice, you know?

BT invented her.

>>6745585
i love that grin

>>6745526

Umineko as a whole was a blast up until the last quarter of Ep8.

The Shitty ending cheapens everything that went before, but I don't think that means he can't write at all. He might just be more suited to an ongoing manga or whatever where he can take his time resolving plots.

>>6745601
>>6745597
I'm saying that's the only reason I'd think that. The letters stuff is really stretching it.

>>6745585
In this screenshot Battler looks like the evil mastermind saying while Kyrie and Rudolf are the henchmen.

EvaAngeLion.

>>6745569
Actually it's fake murders and some real murders that turns out are fiction, the reality is a meaningless massacre that turns out to be fiction made up by a cruel witch that lives inside a fiction created by a amnesiac writer who wrote it based on his memories of the real massacre, he also lives inside a fiction created by a japanese writer who hates his readers and turns out the whole fiction was a work about writers

It's so many levels of metalanguage that it's not even funny

>>6745585
>Ange is traumatized because her parents are murderers
>"Don't worry Ange, there are no bad people in this tale."
>It's not just that their parents were culprits, but Battler was a culprit as well
BEST FAMILY EVER

>>6745593
The actual proceedings with the kids exhibiting shounen hotblood and kicking reason to the curb was kind of okay I guess, even if it was totally retarded how this bunch of hillbillies could take down an elite soldier unit. However, the actual background explanation is BRAIN PARASITES and GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY and SOME MYTHICAL THINGS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT MAKE SENSE YOU FIGURE IT OUT. And that's no good if you compare it to how awesome the mystery surroun ding Hinamizawa seemed in the beginning.

What kind of name is Battler anyway

>>6745593

Last arc had basically no tension, everything resolved itself far too easily (whereas in Minagoroshi hen they worked like never before only to get bad end'd again), Mind Parasite and Queen Bee Rika were a stupid as fuck and lazy explanation, and Jesus Hanyu had the subtlety of an anvil and was about as palatable.

Basically last arc was all shit with nothing interesting happening, shitty answers that didn't sound clever but made on the spot because the writer had wrote himself in a corner, ect.

So all that bullshit about Battler not being a culprit in RED was just himself trying to trick his guilt sense.

>>6745613
>In this screenshot Battler looks like the evil mastermind saying while Kyrie and Rudolf are the henchmen.
Would have been better than the shit ending we got.

Y'all got BATTLER'D

>>6745618

So all the metaworld fun was a bunch of bullshit?

Damn, anti-fantasy fags won.

>>6745626
means Magician in french...i think.

>>6745638

Actually everyone lost... mysteryfags especially

>>6745640

Absolutely not.

>>6745642

Can you elaborate? Makes sense, just not sure how.

>>6745638
both anti-fantasy and anti-mystery lost

see >>6745424

....you know what.

Actually...DEEN's asshole Battler makes sense in the context of everything.

>>6745610

How much more time did he need ?

He just has shitty ideas in general, but is good at making them LOOK good, which is all that matters to most fags that read this shit.

>>6745655

Aaaah, that makes sense.

Thanks.

>>6745585
Fuck you Battler.

Is Ryu fucking retarded?

Does he really think people want such endings?
People wanted climax and semi-good end.

Can't you all see it like this? The characters are ''real'' inside Old Battler's story, therefore, it'd be like if Old Battler was inside our reality, people read his novels and are interested in them, the ???? is just adding another level of meta, but it's the same. In a sense, Battler is R07 and Ikuko is BT, we are their readers.

Sure, the one thing lacking is the resolve of the mystery, but he'd said he wouldn't reveal the answers before anyway, besides, we don't know what Rei will have so stop raging all about thinking this is the end.

>>6745674

There were alot of messages that basically confirmed Ryu does not give two shits about his readers.

>>6745658
Speaking of which, enjoy looking forward to Umineko season 2. I'm almost certain that it will happen, it's not like a bad story ever stopped DEEN before.

>>6745675
That's what I keep saying, the stories are still stories even if they don't have the "THIS IS ACTUALLY REAL GUYS" blessing, which they don't really need. You don't even need to go as far as you did, just pretend that ??? didn't happen if you hate it that much and you are no worse off. Sure, you won't get a nice explanation for every loose end in the meta stories but if you were expecting that from Ryukishi, you are deluded anyway.

>>6745683

The dead sales of the 1st season and the ps3 game will ensure this stays in it's grave (unless the second season retcons like hell to be easy to swallow and even that's a gamble).

"Withou love it cannot be seen."

What love?
Love for whom?
Fucking Ryu?

>>6745701

>>The story is MEANT to be bad, if you expected a good story you are stupid.

Uh-uh.

>>6745585
JUSTICE TOTALLY FITS ME RIGHT? HERP DERP

>>6745683

What's great about that is that Higurashi Kai was pretty much many times better and much more faithful to the original VN's and it still got complaints due to bad pacing. It seems that the pattern repeats itself: R07 makes amazing question arcs, DEEN fucks it up, R07 makes horrible answer arcs, and DEEN gets it spot-on and amazingly well done.

It still surprises me that they got an all-star voice cast for Umineko...hopefully they can keep that up with Umineko Chiru if it gets animated...but I have no idea who would do Erika's voice, let alone any of the other big characters introduced. Zepar and Furfur are pretty much already spoken for, though.

>>6745701
I think we are just a tad upset that all the speculating and discussions we had were basically for naught.

Its not a good way to end a mystery with "oh it doesn't really matter now does it?"

Any story like Umineko NEEDS a fulfilling conclusion, otherwise, we feel like we've been wasting our god damn time.

>>6745710
They went full retard with the tarots.

Also I always wondered...what's with this design of Battler?

>>6745709
Man if you think it was always bad, why are you even complaining about the ending especially? A bad ending does not make the whole story bad in retrospect if you were just along for the ride.

To be honest I never like Umineko much in the first place but I am baffled by this amount of whining over an epilogue. Ryukishi can't tie his stories together, that's nothing new.

>>6745726

That was speculation. A lot of people thought his suit would change color once he became Game Master to fit with the Chess theme. The Mystery side was White, the Witches were black. When Battler switched, they thought he would get a complete color change as opposed to a cape.

Both are good, and I'm glad that they made this suit his P2 colors.

This ending is shit. All I care about now is whether the threesome is real or not.

>>6745717
>Anime Dlanor.

HHMMMMFFFF.

I know they messed up Umineko EP1-4 badly but just the thought of that makes my spine cringe in fascination, for some reason.

Speaking of which, there's a section on the anime Umineko site which talks about a Dlanor pic made by someone on pixiv, something about ''not being animated yet blah blah''.

100% this wasn't orginal end planned for Umineko.

>>6745739
Everything in Episode 1 supports it, so it might be.

>>6745729

I don't like Umineko. This is me being triumphant because the ending confirmed that the story actually WASN'T deep as the fan were actually saying, but it's just a load of tropes thrown together without coherence, just for the sake of "cool factor".

And there's nothing it's fans can do to prove me wrong.

This is delicious.

>>6745739
BT dying had something to do with it I bet.

>>6745739
REI REI REI REI REI.

WHAT'S SO HARD TO GRASP.

>>6745738

They messed up Higurashi 1-4, as well...so bad that they had R07 jump on staff to supervise and make sure they didn't fuck up Kai.

Considering that they did the same thing with Umineko, he might just jump on staff AGAIN to make sure they don't screw up Chiru.

Yuko Gotou for Dlanor's voice.

I just wish Will and Lion weren't in this episode. Not because I don't like them, I actually like them a lot. But because it seemed like the point of their characters was that they provided a ray of hope and determination to fight for a happy ending outside of the catbox, which EP7 framed as a coffin of despair for Beatrice. Seeing them generically grouped in with everyone else fighting for the illusory Golden Land in that same damn catbox like that was where they belonged really irritated me. Lion was supposed to be Beatrice's salvation/hope for a human happiness.

>>6745756
Oh, I'm totally with you on that one. I am not totally opposed to Umineko, but the people that were going "OMG THIS IS SOME DEEP SHIT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE YO" deserve all the ridicule they get. I still think it's okay-ish as a character piece, and as I said, that's all still there.

i am gonna re read EP1 with Battler, Rudolf and Kyrie as culprits in mind.

>>6745773
Eps 1 and 2 only work with Yasu as the culprit because he/she wrote them.

>>6745739
Not exactly, but something similar becomes pretty much apparent during this scene.

Auau is deciding on the spot what happens to lambda. This is making up things while moving along. Still, she starts thinking from the result. So, while the result was that way from the start, pretty much everything in between was not.

I just hope if they are making Chiru, R07 will write a new ending for EP8

>>6745762
The fact that you are now betting on something you don't know anything about to save it all when the dude behind it just farted in your face? Sure, Rei can possibly provide a better ending (though the middle finger R07 gave you just now won't ever go away), but I certainly wouldn't put money on that.

>>6745782
Forgot the pic.

>>6745760

BT dying had a lot to do with EVERYTHING. There probably wouldn't be a fighting game if he hadn't. R07 stated that BT always wanted to do it, but they never got around to it. Now it's pretty much made in honor of the guy.

I still believe that all 4 years of this VN were building up to that game anyway, though.

Does she have any redeeming factor left besides being a fucking tool?

>>6745792

But that game is terrible and will fade into obscurity in a matter of weeks.

>>6745787
It's not that, it's the fact that people can't consider EP8's ending as the final end because Umineko is not over yet, we don't know what thing will R07 pull out for Rei and until we do we can't call it a fart in our faces, and we hopefully will not. Note that I still don't like how EP8 turned out but just making things straight.

>>6745806
Her great dress and hat

>>6745806
Her facial expressions.

>>6745806

Yeah, she doesn't exist. *BA-DUM TSSSSSSS*

>>6745809

I actually like the fighting game and have several people who do, as well. So at least I have a good pool of opponents among friends.

My only other option is Hisoutensoku, and I already like this one more.

>>6745806
Her body.

>>6745809
I just hope the netplay gets improved, because it sucks at the moment.

>>6745792
>I still believe that all 4 years of this VN were building up to that game anyway, though.

Watch R07 sink into an even deeper depression when it doesn't sell to expectations at Comiket and everybody stops playing it in a week. Never getting an arcade port and it's all silently forgotten, as his huge investment fades away. Poor guy.

I hope he's just trolling us with this end, we'll see at Summer Comiket I guess. Even if he didn't intend to troll, he could easily see the negative response he's getting and turn it all around.

>>6745834

Well, the probability for it is higher than in case of SSBB,

DID YOU RIKE IT?

>>6745812
Nothing is ever final. Ryukishi has the story under lockdown, when he writes a story tomorrow saying that NO BATTLER YOU ARE THE WITCHES that is how it is, and you will have to decide yourself whether you accept that. And even if Rei does provide a good ending and Ryukishi decides later that he wants to write a Rei 2 which retcons the present ending back into existence, you will have to swallow that as well. We can only talk about what we have right here, right now. It's shit. Just because you hope that Rei will fix it somehow does not mean that right now, it's not shit. End of discussion. We can continue this when Rei actually exists.

Not to mention that Higurashi Rei was a pretty insignificant side story. Feeling hopeful?

>>6745852
I liked it

>>6745838
>I hope he's just trolling us with this end,
Oh, I can live with that end, but it is indicative, that Bern's mystery is the best part of the whole episode, and he still somewhat manages to fuck up the feel of significance afterwards anyway.

>>6745827

Got me there. I hate her, but I'd still fuck her.

>>6745855
You see, we can make something as a real end if we are told by the author that it's the last anything he'll make about that series, but this case is not that, since we know the current boundary is Rei, it's like thinking that EP7 is the real ending while EP8 wasn't out.

He may make something new if he wants to, but what we currently know is that Rei is the final one, it doesn't matter that Higurashi Rei was a stock up, we don't know what Umineko Rei will be like at all. Look at it like this: Higurashi had nothing important to say after Kai, Umineko EP8 hell of a does.

>>6745806
Being Amnesiac Battler's lover and landlord.

>>6745910
What's left to say? It was concluded that absolutely nothing mattered and every possibility was opened as to what happened with the murders.

Was everyone drunk? Fuck, sure. Was everyone made up of cheese? Hell, that works fine. None of that matters because Battler can't remember the murders at all.

All Rei will do is add a shitty side story elaboration IF it even gets released, you mark my words.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YyVpNKA7vs

Sure is Ar Tonelico in here.

>>6745931
>sage
oh man you're just as mad as everybody else

>>6745931
I'd even go so far as to suspect that Rei will clear up how the murders actually happened (and how battler ended up where he is in the ending), but that the ending will stand, no witches, no metaplane, no nothing. It seems like an obvious thing to do now.

>>6745910
>it's like thinking that EP7 is the real ending
It pretty much was.

But he's said this is the final chapter to the Rokkenjima story, there is no reason to expect more from Rei, especially when he said he's still thinking of ideas for it.

>>6745931
Umineko always twists things the way we think they are at the end of every chapter. I honestly DON'T think the Old Battler reality is going to be discarded, but it'll at least add something to it so the readers can feel a bit more satisfied with the end, people seem to think the fact that the whole meta thing being false as a dissapointment, when the whole point of the first episodes was to discard the Witch theory therefore denying everything, even the Meta world.

The real unconcluded part of the ending that buggers me is that we're not sure what really happened and that the closed room riddles were just hints that were almost impossible to grasp as a theory of Battler actually being a senile writer of crazy stories, and if you did before EP8, you're either a wizard or any sane person, which would discard such non-sense inmediately.

>>6745957
Wow, you really have no clue how sage works, do you?
>>6745983
What exactly comes about from knowing "What REEEEALLY happened"? You want another Jesus Hanyuu to show up? R07 already blew his chance with this game.

>>6745983
>therefore denying everything, even the Meta world.
No, it has always been just the game board.

>>6745994
Did you read EP7? We also got that ''What REEAAALLY happened'' crap, and it turned out to be a lie as well. I'm not saying to be hopeful or anything, but these are facts that need to be straightened out, come on, ANYTHING that could be mentioned after the reveal of EP8's ???? must mean something, since everything has apparently being thrown to the shithole. Unless it's an omake, at least it'll feel like a return to basics and nostalgia.

>>6746005
That's what I'm saying, feel free to make up your own fanfic garbage about "what really happened". It's just as valid as EP7's conclusion, according to Dear Leader Ryukishi07.

>>6746000
But people thought at the time that these game boards were working toward something. At the end they were entirely a waste of time with absolutely no relevance to the main conclusion, or even the "real" characters.

>>6746005
>these are facts that need to be straightened out

Sure, but why do you think Ryu will actually do that? Do you still think he's a competent writer or cares about his fans or something?

>>6746016
>Sure, but why do you think Ryu will actually do that?
Sure why not, it's not like we have anything to lose at this point. It's either he give us something or nothing has changed, we are still stuck with zero.

>>6746027
Congratulations, Battler!

>>6746016
No, he most likely fucked up something in an episode, and can't release "the Truth" anymore, since it would become a logic error.

To deter his readers from questioning that he introduced the destructive goats, who apparently represent the STOOOOOOOOOPID readers.

I clearly proclaim here: The Emperor is wearing nothing!

>>6746016
The main reason why people think Ryu has given up on his fans is because of the Goat-chans in EP8, what most people in these threads ignored is that those goats represent only the elitist fags who think their theory is absolute and anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded. That, and the everything-is-a-lie ending, but as anon said, it makes no difference seeing as how Old Battler could be a reflection of our reality, him being Ryu with us being the readers making fan theories.

>>6746036
I honestly don't think R07 would shy away from publishing something with a logic error in it, and even if he did really care about such details, it would be really easy to handwave that away, given how ★MAGICAL★ the Umineko universe is. So I don't think that's it, I think it's either that he really did plan this all along and just didn't manage to lead up to it properly because his cowriter died, or he truly had no idea how to end it and this is the only thing he could come up with.

Have people forgotten Saikoroshi-hen already and the mentioning of the Higurashi novel back in 1-4 already? Just because it is fiction in the When They Cry universe doesn't mean it didn't happen. As explained in Higurashi Rei, to every universe than got a bad end, Rika may as well have been schizophrenic, or every kakera Rika had lived through could have been 'just a dream'. It all depends on whose reality it is, but the real truth is that it happened. Rika killed her mother. Does it matter to anyone in her world? No, to them it never happened. For all we know, our episode 1 Battler we got to know so well could have gone to the metaworld, and simultaneously have been written by Battler. After all, in Umineko's universe, think of it as a kakera, Higurashi was a novel. I don't think anything's really been changed. The game really happened, we're only looking at a single kakera, in which Battler received a hobo end and forgot everything, and with Hachijo (who probably really is Featherine) wrote about the events of other kakera without Battler ever suspecting that anything he wrote was real. The cat probably really was Bern. The cake was probably made to look like Lambda, and was probably made by one of those three girls. Now I'll wait for Umineko Rei for either a better ending, epilogue, or fanservice. ...It doesn't make the ending any less horrible though.

>>6746061
I pointed this out in every thread, but people love to ignore it and continue trolling

>>6746070
Well you can always say that "it might not be the REAL ending". Sure, doubt it all you like, but if you doubt everything you happen to dislike the entire story becomes totally arbitrary. There is no objective truth apart from what Ryukishi07 releases. People who just pick and choose what they want to believe don't need to accept this ending. People who believe everything Ryukishi writes have no reason to doubt this, beyond wishful thinking.

Screw EP8.

Is this out yet?

>>6746061
And as it's been pointed out constantly, Ryu said that Umineko happens in a different world, by world he means overall different universe with nothing in relation with Higurashi, not kakeras or anything. Higurashi is a novel in the Umineko world, some people assume Battler took reference from that novel into Umineko since some characters bear resemblances, the Bernkastel same-naming theory is irrelevant however, since Akasaka and Ooishi had no way of knowing that.

I do have to admit that before EP8 I assumed that Higurashi was actually a game played between Lambda and Bern (note that I didn't visit /jp/ at the time when the episode containing the reference came out), to which then it was just slightly tweaked in order to make it a different story altoghether but the reference was still clear as water, which is now LIES.

>>6746061
That's assuming kakeras are real and not just a concept made up by Battler/Auau to make their novels more interesting. Which at this point, we have no reason to believe.

Why are people so hung up over their fiction being double fiction? It really doesn't change a thing. Just adapt your perception.

>>6746115
It would be fine if the double fiction had a proper conclusion.

>>6746097
Man to that you can just reply "Yeah but even if they are different universes, there STILL might be kakeras in both!" I don't think arguing with people who refuse to believe this is the real ending is worth it, because you can always make up some connection if you really want to.

That said, I find it hard to believe that Umineko has no connection at all to Higurashi on the supernatural layer. R07 may have been full of shit on that account, and he can easily change his mind as well. Or he's just a not-so-good writer who writes allusions into his story to keep the fanboys excited, yet then denies that they mean anything so he can't be held accountable for them.

>>6746091
What happened? I thought you guys said Senka was gone for good. Now it's Senka being the only one to draw a doujin where Battler's parents murders him.

>>6746115
because it's a shitty cop-out ending

>>6746091
Isn't this that artist the shippers rage over?

>>6746119
Yeah just imagine if the last story wrapped all the metaphysics up properly... and then it turns out that story was written by a delusional Battler, and it's the first story he's truly happy with. That would have been an okay ending, wouldn't it?

Ryukishi07 is incapable of wrapping his metaphysical bullshit up, though, so it was a no go.

>>6746134

Senka went insane after her brocon fantasies got shattered.

Which is a good thing since we get shit like this. Eagerly awaiting this.

>>6746123
There's going to undoubtedly be references to previous works inside Umineko, as hinted as it is, the man's words are clear, and you can't deny them with an assumption. This isn't just him, references to previous works are done by lots of people who have once done a book or a movie, videogames as well.

Of course, we still don't know if Old Battler is a meta-meta-meta kakera, but that's just being too hopeful for Rei.

>>6746152
Just make it Yasu's, lonely, sadistic delusions and I would've been a little more satisfied. As it stands the whole amnesia thing pretty much breaks all of the established character development since Battler doesn't know anything about who he's writing about. It would've felt like less of a waste if it at least played into Yasu's character and motive.

>>6746165
At the most simplistic level, he basically is on a higher tier kakera.

Hello guys, I heard writing advice is needed in here.

I'm just bummed out that Kyrie's only motive was greed.

>>6746197
Back to /a/ with you.

"Is truth is really that important?".

Just enjoy the ride and fantastic meta battles from characters you care about people.

EP8 has no answers. It's just a last glorious hurrah from the characters we enjoyed.

>Supaper Miss

Well said captcha

>>6746217
I think there might've been pressure from her family, obviously they aren't very nice people and they were determined to kill Ange to prevent her to finding the truth.

>>6746227
What's the matter, having a hard time admitting that Ryukishi is a hack as well?

HEY GUIZ:

"Even finishing the reading of 'Meakashi-hen', there's no guarantee that that was the right truth.
As long as there is the 'last part queen problem'.
It's just an extremely irrational example but, if, in later years, Ryuukishi07 were to write the Truth Clarification Chapter, 'Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni Truth', and then announced it 'adding not yet known new information as appendix' such as 'The truth of 'Watanagashi-hen' and 'Meakashi-hen' were disguised, in fact, the criminal was the unexpected character ___!', it would be overwritten as the correct truth and it would be possible to distort even the truth of 'Meakashi-hen'.
(Dreadfully, even this unfair thing would become fair in case we considered these 3 chapter, 'Watanagashi-hen', 'Meakashi-hen' and 'Truth Clarification Chapter', as only one piece of work.
No matter what kind of appendix information it is, it is impossible to prove whether it was added later or not."

And then you realize this is what he's doing right now.

There are two possibilities:

1. hobo Battler is the final and only real end, Rei takes place in his world
2. kakeras exist in Umineko, there are many possible ends, hobo Battler is just one of them, Rei is 100% meta explaining that

You really think he will pick the first option after all this rage?

>>6746235
Not at all, we've known that since Higurashi. But your shitty jokes can stay in /a/.

>>6746236
Ryukishi invented retconning, you heard it here first guys.

>>6746217

I'm more bummed that all the foreshadowing about her chessboard thinking, or how fucking awesome it would be if Battler fought with her that way never came to fruition.

Maybe I'll get more satisfying/twisted logic debates if Rei is just a "for fun" game of solving mysteries and magic.

>>6746228
That's what some (including me) say, thing is, others feel empty knowing what they thought was true is crap, so they can't accept it, this is actually part of human instinct, your beliefs being negated to the point of never being a plane of existence where they could exist at all, that is, the meta world.

Also, Rei.

Why cant r07 just make magic and the "real world" both be ture? they did it with huragshi. even though takano was the villian and not "god" , the "god" hanyu was real.
thats why i think why everybody liked huragashi, it wasn't bashing one side and everybody was able to enjoy it.

>>6746097

Except he never said that.

He only said that people who read Higurashi beforehand may have harder time solving Umineko.

That's all.

>>6746238
There are definitely a lot more options than that, those two are just 1. the status quo and 2. what everyone would like to happen.

>>6746280
true*

>>6746287
That also implies that there is in fact something to solve, which is definitely not within the scope of this ending. I mean when did he say that, 4 years ago? Things change along the way, man.

>>6746091
That is some delicious Kyrie.

>>6746236
I'm pretty sure he's talking about Eva not being the culprit int Ep3.

Such a bad ending.
Brain parasites was pretty stupid, but it's because it's not realistic and conveniently explains away most of the deaths with no hints to the cause.
This is to say nothing about the legitimacy of brain parasites.

To say it's all just a dream or amnesia though...
That's the biggest cop out in the history of story telling.

>>6746134
>>6746144
>>6746157
Any other examples of her work?

>>6746287
That would collide with the fact that even meta characters such as Lambda and Bern only know of Higurashi as a novel, as in the novel Rika states as really being Bernkastel.

>inb4 It's never stated in red if they're both the same person with the same name.

As if the red actually mattered anymore, unless the Old Battle kakera turns out true.

>>6746234
I hope the motive is along the lines that...

Unless she brings money from the Ushiromiya to revive the Sumaderas status, Ange will be killed. Ange was not attending the conference that day not because she was sick, but because the Sumaderas family had taken her as hostage. Kyrie didn't miss her pointblank shot on Eva 2 times, she wanted Eva to kill her and take custody of her daughter. That "I hate Ange" speech was simply an emotion push on Eva's nature to take care of her daughter.

DELUSION TO THE MAX, I WANT TO BELIEVE

I think it's the fact that you can't really get the same thrill out of re-reading the previous episodes.

There's really nothing at stake or risk because it's just Battler arguing with himself in the end. He wasn't "trapped" in a closed room, nor was he about to sign his soul away at the end of Episode 3. Oh wow, the biggest consequence is simply him not remembering!

Why should we care about all the tense sequences when in the end it's just very very mundane?

>>6746323
Oh snap, so would pay to see Plinkett take apart Umineko.

>>6746317

I WANT TO BELIEVE

>>6746317

I'd like to see that, too. Kyrie has always been portrayed as a smart lady - it doesn't really seem like her to just got on a murder spree and rant about how she hates her daughter. Even if she is guilty, it seems as though there should be more behind it.

>>6746337
I thought of this as well, then after EP8's ???? you could assume that all of her smart talking and seemingly good nature was ''all in Battler's head''. Remember also the fact that Battler never wanted to suspect his family.

what if its Brain parasites, i wouldn't mind.

>>6746316

1. their names, backstories and extra tips point to Higurashi
2. we don't know shit about Higurashi novels in Umineko's universe, it may share like 1% of the story with Higurashi we know

>>6746314
I don't even know why he pulled the amnesia move. Unlike Higurashi where everything pretty much can't be answer without illusion, he already answered 90% off Umineko in EP7, and most of the readers were fairly satisfied at that point.

>>6746346
you could say the same for almost every character. And Jessica.

I will keep my delusion of old battler being a fantasy. period.

>>6746346

True. It's hard to speculate about anything, really, because everything was technically "in Battler's head."

It's probably just wishful thinking, but I'd like to think there's things Battler didn't know about. Ange getting sick right before the conference just seems a bit too convenient.

>>6746317
And you could see her love for Ange in her daughter conversations with Rosa.

/jp/, if everything is meta, would you really rage? Im not lying when i think its the best part of Umineko and that im wishing it is.

>>6746337
Something must have happened when she was head of Sumadara family before she abandoned the family and title that corrupted her. We really need to see what caused her to be like that aside from the "hurr I'm a slut, this is my man and no one elses and to prove this i'll have a fucking child with him to keep him close"

>>6746362
Which is also a product of Battler's delusions? You could just as easily make up a conversation where they plot to murder their own daughters and have it look like an accident so their mutual family doesn't find out and have it be just as valid.

Everything is Battler talking to himself.
>>6746365
I'd rather an actual conclusion to the story instead of a big fat middle finger.

To be honest Kyrie/Rudolf being culprits was pretty obvious from the moment we learned that they are in deepest shit out of all the siblings, that Rudolf is a dick and that Kyrie is a bitch with ties to yakuza.

>>6746365
It would also make the universe of r07s work bigger, connecting al his storys. hs also explian more of everything of his previos works in future when they crys. we can also finally see the master mind/maker of the kakera and all these witches and the meta world can be explianed. theres also takanos story that i really want to see in his next wth.

>>6746365
I wouldn't particularly mind, but it would just contradict the fact that the murders weren't caused by magic.

But hey, a Lambda/Dlanor/Will/Siesta/Stake/Beatrice/Featherine that are real, then by all means, go for a meta end.

I CAN BELIEVE

>>6746384
Yep. Also pretty evident the fact that Kyrie had the least development of the moms (being told through her fucking sister no less))

>>6746391
o, I mean 34, not takano

>>6746373
I think it's made clear that the ''truth'' in EP8 was what really happened, Battler lies to his parents and runs with Yasu, she can't stand having her psychologically-perceived lover dead (?) so she throws herself off a cliff, Battler goes to rescue her and ends up on a shore with amnesia to begin a life as an anonymous writer. Else readers in the Umineko universe would know that there's a secret writer behind the Hachiyo Tohya name.

You know what sucks? This shit could have had a satisfying ending so easily. Its not like LOST where the story was a big trainwreck, it was nearly all tied up. All we really needed was peoples true personalities to put an end to the theorizing - clarification if George hid the letter, did Yasu really plan to commit murder, Kyrie really a bitch or not, etc.
Then have the meta world end with a glass shatter and Ange deciding to move on with her life. It would've had a pretty good series actually.

>>6746384
Copyright issues are worse than Krauss?

Am I the only one that thinks the Higurashi novel alluded to in Umineko may have been written by Frederica? She wrote poetry, it mightn't be much of a stretch to think she wrote prose.
It doesn't really help as far as the existence of meta, but it's something.

>>6746323

But it's not real.

It's fiction either way. Umineko is not real. It is just written by Ryukishi. Just change your perception and apply author status to Old Battler then stop caring about the real world in Umineko. It's not important, and they don't have the characters and situations we've grown to love

So wait, 8 episodes in with the series effectively over, and people still have no idea what the setting is, what the genre is, and who actually exists in the series?

Just what the fuck was the author doing?

>>6746434
>Just what the fuck was the author doing?
Trolling.
Just what we've expected and wanted the entire time, I guess.

>>6746434

Put meta inside your meta so you could meta while you meta

>>6746391
It's been explained in previous EPs that kakeras are the work of witches taking a specific chunk of time in a place and messing up as many things as they can within it. The only real big name guy would be Pendragon, who is never shown. Also the High Court of Heaven.

>>6746431
You should like Ange at the end of this episode.

>>6746418
You know guys, would you really want that?
Isn't that too easy?
I say r07 means well, he just wants to give us such an ending , we will never forget.
wait for rei i say.

>>6746091

What is she saying here?

Also, when is this going to be out?

>>6746421

Krauss just needed time.

Rudolf was completely screwed and would go bankrupt if he couldn't get the money really fast. Kyrie was saying that family conference is their last chance.

>>6746431
This is the reason why none of the japs criticize it for the same reasons as you people, get in your heads that Old Battler is supposed to represent our world, we are the ones supposed to be reading Umineko while he writes it, it's just as meta as you can get.

>>6746458
He don't want to give a CLEAR ending but hints.
bu here we don't even have the hints in order to confirm or not. Nothing to do with "what Ryukishi wanted" at the beginning.

>>6746452
I have a feeling this shit is gonna get real then with Pendragon then. he could most likely fuck everything over, making huragashi and uminkeo totally a living hell.

R07 once said:
The genre of this work is probably a serial murder mystery.

However, that does not guarantee that reasoning and guesswork are possible.

Those who enjoy stupid puzzles that are made to be solved can leave now.

Umineko no Naku Koro ni is the worst kind of tale, created without any intention of letting all of you solve it.

However, to all of the worst kinds of people, who hear that and just want to challenge it more,
welcome.

Theory time: Battler's grandparents lived in Hinamizawa. He got infected with brain parasites. ???? is half truth, half delusion.

>>6746468
supposed to represent our world when he ONLY write it, yes. When he have a link with the story AND meets Ange, no. It just adds another layer.

So, /jp/, just out of curiousity -

Favorite three characters?
Least favorite three characters?

>>R07 once said:
The genre of this work is probably a serial murder mystery.

However, that does not guarantee that reasoning and guesswork are possible.

Those who enjoy stupid puzzles that are made to be solved can leave now.

Umineko no Naku Koro ni is the worst kind of tale, created without any intention of letting all of you solve it.

However, to all of the worst kinds of people, who hear that and just want to challenge it more,
welcome.
And he said the opposite in an interview later. Great!

I THINK I GOT IT.
you guys got everything backwards.
The "real world" is meta, and the "meta" is the "real world" biggest troll ever.

>>6746452

Wut? It was stated gazillion times that witches senate is controlling everything. Including great court and siestas.

GUYS, GUYS. I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING.

Battler is to Ryukishi as Bella is to Stephanie Meyer!

>>6746471
He could be the next level of boss character after Auau, you know, the great omnipotent maker of space bunnies.

>>6746482
Natshui
Kinzo
34

>>6746488
And yet witche from the senate get fucked by Auau.

>>6746475
>Umineko no Naku Koro ni is the worst kind of tale, created without any intention of letting all of you solve it.
>Umineko no Naku Koro ni is the worst kind of tale

At least he acknowledges it.

>>6746509
He is even proud of it.

And later started to cry " YOU MUST SOLVE IT PIIIIIIIIIIGS" when people were not trying

>>6746509
Hahahahaha.

>>6746482

>Favorite three characters?
Ange, Eva, Will.

>Least favorite three characters?
George, Kinzo, Amakusa.

Sorry to ask dear anon
Does anyone happen to have saved all the previous EP 8 threads. I arrived to the part a bit late and only caught the last few
Even if they are in html/foler form. I'll take what you guys will give.

>>6746443

>Umineko EP8: TROLL THROTTLE STILL STUCK AT FULL

I guess we should've seen that coming.

>>6746482
I love absolutely everyone in the cast. So I have love and can see the complete truth. I fucked you all. EVEN Ryukishi.

That's probably why the ending was so stupid, A CERTAIN AUTHOR didn't had enough love towards his readers.

>>6746488
Read well, Pendragon is described as ''the Siestas' only true master'', he could be part of the High Court of Heaven as well.

>>6746452

Kakera system is something completely different that Beatrice's magic system.

It's stated many times, and really bluntly in Bern's letter.

Pendragon, Siestas, Stakes, Ronove and other demons, basically everything that is not of voyager's level is a part of Beatrice's world. Voyagers (Beatrice calls them witches senate) are above all this. It's stated how inside Beatrice's world they are on equal footing, but overall their power is infinitely greater.

Yasu's delusions = Beartice's magical world

Voyager witches = kakera travelers from Higurashi

>>6746540
but you can't see the complete truth if you only have love

Between Kinzo being alive and wacky and Beato being Friendzoned by Battler, this Ep is pretty interesting for now~

>>6746482
>Favorite three characters?
Battler, Beatrice, Will

>Least favorite three characters?
Featherine, Featherine, and Featherine

>>6746548
If Voyagers and Bern are legit, is Lion legit from an alternate kakera Bern found?

>>6746482
>Favorite three characters?
Battler, Dlanor, Kyrie
>Least favorite three characters?
Natushi, Krauss, Sabakichi

>>6746552
sup cakey poo

>>6746552
Go away, cake.

>>6746531
http://www.2shared.com/file/ROLOHlj4/Ep8.html


I must have saved somed of them two times, so don't be surprise if there is some doubles.

>>6746517
This again? It's already been stated that he only referred to those people who were elitists and had their own irrefutable theory and would let themselves be corrected, God you troll hard.

captcha: Dante's shotemp

>>6746570
how can you hate mother fucking krauss?

>>6746552
hu lambda, I missed your stream tonight ;_; how far ar you ? ;_;

>Favorite three characters?
Beatrice, Lambdadelta, ...there are a lot of characters I could put for third but I'll go with Battler

>Least favorite three characters?
George, Ange, I don't really mind anyone else

>>6746482

Favorite: Lambda, Bern, Erika

Least favorite: Featherine, Okonogi, Kanon

>>6746589
Wait, just kidding, I forgot Featherine existed for a minute. She's definitely my least favorite.

>>6746579
not talking about the goats, anon. Auau literally call people who don't think pigs in ep6.

>>6746552
I'm hungry now.

>>6746502
o and these are my favs, I don't really like ange,that lion doll and I guess nobody else.
George is on bro tier because i feel sorry for him..;_;

>>6746585
Well, it was fine. Didn't get too far. Just ended the first 1998 Ange scene.

At six pacific time, come here. http://www.livestream.com/teapartyofcertainty

>>6746564

We won't be sure until Ryu confirms it.

If Pendragon is the master of heaven, who is the master of hell?

Umineko really attracts some terrible posters here. These discussions are always exactly the same as those on Animesuki and youtube comments. What brings them here?

>>6746602
Which would refer to those previously mentioned. They think their theory is perfect so they stop thinking, besides, there have been a lot of claims to types of people in all EPs Umineko, there's no reason to take this one as a direct insult, as hinted as it is even by Ryu himself.

>Pendragon
>Pen
>Dragon

Wasn't Featherine enough of a blatant self-insert?

>>6746621
There are no mods here.

>>6746548
>Indeed, if we consider it that way, this Witch named Beatrice certainly is interesting.
>She opened up a world that I, that girl and you didn't know.
>The rule Y that makes it into the source of the magic.
>It seems Lambda-Delta touched it a bit but too, but she can't possibly reach her level.
>If we call this very thing as magic, except for Beatrice, certainly not one of us can be called a witch.

One of the first tips.

Beatrice's magic = imagination

Lambda and Bern entered her head. They did the same with Battler. They are real.

>>6746620

Presumably first among the 72 demons, Lord Ba'al.

So what on your theories on Okonogi, he got all the gold in the end and I see him as someone who could be the mastermind.

>They think their theory is perfect so they stop thinking
Hey, newsflash. This is the final episode. It SHOULD clear up the story.

>>6746645
are* not on, I got no sleep.

>>6746620

Except he's not.

>>6746645
His plans only came in 1998, 12 years after the incident so he doesn't matter much. But you could say he's the ''real'' villain of Umineko.

>>6746639
>Lambda and Bern entered her head. They did the same with Battler. They are real.

Plus Bern essentially said "I'll see you in the next series."

>>6746506

Shiterine Fagrora is a former member of the senate and a legendary witch.

Former member means she stopped traveling kakera and settled down in one world. With Battler.

>>6746647
No, Ryu said ages ago he wouldn't put the solution to the closed rooms and that Umineko could hardly be called a mystery, also for the twentieth time, this ISN'T the final piece of text we'll get from Umineko, there's still Rei and it doesn't matter if you or someone thinks it won't matter at all, because there's no way to know that, even if it doesn't in the end, it's still the proper last bit of Umineko that there will be.

the imagination thing is quite obvious since ep4 and even more since the fiction theory.
(Someone with a great imagination + one author/creator = infinite possibilities).


It doesn't change the fact that they don't exist. (And that this part of this episode is stupid).

Even more if Battler is "our world". I've never met lambdadelta in my head, personally.

>>6746657
yeah but that doesn't mean he wasn't planning a 20 year evil plan to get all the gold.
also can somebody tell me the bern of huragashi rei?
how was she in that ep?
why is manga gamer not doing rei anyway?

>>6746548
>>6746639

And suddenly EP8 ???? isn't utter shit anymore.

>Least favorite three characters?

Featherine, Featherine, Auauauau

>>6746682
>It doesn't change the fact that they don't exist.

Except that's never said.

Sure you can interpret the end that way, but you don't have to.

>Sure you can interpret the end that way, but you don't have to.

Shh, don't tell the mysteryfags that there are several valid intrepetations. This will just make them cry again.

R07 was trying to craft a ending where multiple truths could exist, making neither the fantasy people or the mystery people "wrong". He was successful, everybody can make their own theory on what happened and have enough leeway to convince themselves they are right. It was just at the cost of a good, satisfying ending. In the end, he just pissed everybody off. But I'm pretty sure that's what he tried to do. The whole quantum cat physics bullshit.

>>6746715
So, then why is Auaua able to kick their ass and they are not even able to make a move before dying?

Well, we have not seen the opposite neither. And we never saw them "clearly" in any other work, so.

>>6746621
Maybe because they like to shut out all the "evil negativity" that /jp/ brings to the table.

>>6746723
Seriously, given the ITWASALLADREAM, a theory where fantasy does exist is even harder to defend than Shkannon being false.
And I would want to, Lambda is my favorite character.
You can probably by twisting and interpreting absolutely everything, but still.
That's also why this ending is horrible.

Bern is indeed just a cat, Ikuko's cat. This is stated plainly.

Ikuko is a fair bit older than Battler, so much that when Battler is saying his age, she mistakes it for him guessing her age and takes it as a huge compliment. She's maybe late 20s.

>>6746738

She's also a kakera traveler but she can directly influence the person waving the story, Battler. Frederica could manifest in the real world in Higurashi without problems.

>>6746752
>Seriously, given the ITWASALLADREAM, a theory where fantasy does exist is even harder to defend than Shkannon being false.

Ange remembering and Bern teasing the next game makes it pretty easy, actually. Basically it comes down to if you trust Ange's side or Battler's spotty amnesia more.

>>6746759
>Bern is indeed just a cat, Ikuko's cat. This is stated plainly.

[citation needed]

>>6746684
could someone answer this, i didn't read rei of course.
id manga gamer talk about rei at all?

>>6746815
No need to take my word for it, you'll see when the episode is translated, I suppose.

When Battler is rescued by Ikuko, he mentions that she lives alone except for her cat named Bern.

Not to mention Bern is constantly changing between her normal form and a cat throughout the episode.

>>6746829
Yeah, and he also mentioned that she has a cake that she calls Lambda and that her real name is Erika. Put up or shut up.

>>6746829

How is that a conclusive and absolute answer?

If I name my cat Einstein does that mean Einstein always was a cat?

>>6746851
>>6746856
Denial

>>6746856
could Einstein change into a cat whenever he wanted?

>>6746482
Beato
Virgillia
Dlanor

Least:
Erika
Ange
Bern

>>6746856
Who is she supposed to name Bern after? Remember that this is the woman Battler goes on to write the episodes with. Bern was likely inspired by this cat, not the other way around.

There is another scene in the episode where Bern is acting like Tohya's pet, but when someone enters she just reverts back to a cat. That and Bern's relationship with Featherine so far tells me the real Bern is just a fantasy version of this cat.

You're not going to get "Bern is a cat" in red, but this is close enough for me.

Favourite:
Beato, Battler, Will

Hate:
Featherine, Hachijo, Old Battler
Seriously, fuck you guys, stop fucking up the series.

>Bern is indeed just a cat, Ikuko's cat. This is stated plainly.

This is what mysteryfags want to believe. Except it's not true. It's stated nowhere in the entire novel.

Keep trolling with fake spoilers, though. You can argue that she's really a cat, but people arguing the opposite actually have more evidence for it. Sorry.

I know this makes you really mad, but that's just the way it is.

>>6746870
I must have missed all of that, I guess. Where did it specifically happen?

>>6746878
>This is what mysteryfags want to believe. Except it's not true. It's stated nowhere in the entire novel.
What I'm talking about isn't a fake spoiler. It is stated plainly, in the manner I said it was.

Whether this is confirmation enough is up to you, but the scene is there.

>>6746895
where is it, then?

>>6746870

But this is exactly why japanese fans are raging. No absolute answers are given in this episode. None at all.

Everything is still open to interpretation.

EP8 could not exist and nothing would change, except there would be no fan rage.

>>6746887
These people are working on three lines and claim that these lines somehow prove this, and invalidate everything else.

Of course, what they fail to notice is that these lines are used by an unreliable, amnesic person with delusions and a big motivation to claim that the witches don't exist.
The issue with these people is that they shut their eyes to all evidence proving that Bern's actually there, ignore the Tea Party, and every TIPS, but the moment a delusional person says what they want to hear, they treat it like gospel truth that MUST NOT BE DOUBTED.

In other words, they really don't have a leg to stand on.

>>6746887
The scene where Battler says Ikuko has a cat named Bern is the scene where Battler is first living with Ikuko. That is, the scene after Ange jumps.

The scene where Bern is acting somewhat like a pet with Tohya and reverts to cat form when someone enters the study is earlier on.

>>6746909
But those were all written after the fact. I don't see how a fictional work that Battler and Ikuko have been writing to help with his memories proves Bern exists aside from being this cat.

That's like saying the end with amnesiac Battler is false because it goes against all the episodes so far.

>>6746895
>It is stated plainly, in the manner I said it was.

Yes, this is a fake spoiler, because you claim that this was stated plainly (it's not) and without doubt, when in reality it goes like this:
-Bern transforms into a cat in one scene so she's not seen
-a delusional guy claims she's really a cat

That's it. That's all you have. That is not "stating plainly", that's one characters opinion and one scene.

Completely ignoring the metatextual nature of Bern, for example in the tea party. So, no. It's not "stated plainly" without doubt. It's one possible intrepetation, I give you that.

But you need to ignore half of the TIPS and the end of the tea party for it, because all of them make it impossible.

You need to keep thinking. You can't call it a day once a delusional guy makes a claim you like and expect everyone else to agree and ignore the evidence proving the opposite.

>>6746922
In other words, you're saying the cat Ikuko has is actually Bern pretending to be a cat?

EVERYTHING is open to interpretation. There are no solid answers at all.

Battler met with Beatrice and entered Golden Land at the very end.

>>6746922

Delusional? The Battler we're talking about is the Battler who's still 18 years old. He's lost his memory, but he's not delusional.

>>people who need something in red in order to believe it, or are there " THIS IS A COINCIDENCE" EVERY time.

Come on, /jp/, we're on ep8, not on ep3.

>That's like saying the end with amnesiac Battler is false because it goes against all the episodes so far.

Except that is what you're doing. You are claiming all you dislike is false, ignoring everything that doesn't fit your wishes. In other words, you try to fit the facts to your narrow wishes.

Everyone else is looking at the facts and checking where they point. And that one's clear:

Some of the meta characters actually exist in the world of When they Cry. This is proven by the TIPS (of which there is zero indication that they are actually part of Battlers novels - in fact, that would be a contradiction), the Higurashi connection (the Higurashi novel was written by Oishii, after all), and the aknowledgment of Bern that this is indeed connected to Higurashi at the end of the Tea Party.

It's just like that. You can keep stating that they are fake. You can even use two scenes to work with that intrepetation. You just have to accept that most people will not ignore the scenes you dislike, and will come to another conclusion that, to be frank, makes more sense.

So, yes. You keeping to state that your intrepetation is the only truth? That's trolling, because it's not what the game says at all. Not anywhere.

>In other words, you're saying the cat Ikuko has is actually Bern pretending to be a cat?

No, I'm saying she pretended to be a cat once (which has precedence, Bern often pretended to be something she wasn't, including in Higurashi, where she's from), and that while Battler (who is confirmed delusional if you chose to ignore magic, check the end of the ????) CLAIMS that is all that is to Bern, it's simply not true.

Battler is not a reliable narrator. What he claims may be false. I wonder why this is such a hard thing to understand. It is absurd how you treat his words as biblical gospel, and yet ignore entire scenes that contradict your intrepetation.

By the way, if the part about lambda and Bern is false and not important... Why did Ryukishi put it in the middle of the "answers" in the first place? ONLY to troll pro-cat people? Who are a minority.

It was all Teatrice.
It STILL makes more sense and has less plotholes.
Are you even trying anymore, R07?

I have been playing this shit since EP1 was like 33% translated. Hell I can't even remember when I picked this up it was that long ago now. All I wanted was a definite conclusion, so like Higurashi we could go back and see what really happened and judge it for what it was, good or bad. Instead we got multiple endings and everything left open to interpretation? Yes, I mad.

guys, he put four fucking years of his life into this, im sure he has everything planned out.
we should chill the fuck out and see what happens.

>>6747163
..what.

I'm just going to pretend the end never happened and wait for Rei to retcon / conclude everything.
Meanwhile I'll just enjoy some dai and zts tracks while fapping to Rosa.

>>6747257
sounds like a plan

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