/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>- Rudolf and Kyrie are awful people whose only motive in killing everyone was opportunistic greed.

Kyrie yes, Rudolf only went along because he couldn't see any other way out. Also he wanted to save Battler, at least.

>- Every other character's backstory is mostly irrelevant, as they play no part in the murders and ultimately have no resolution.

Everyone is irrelevant. The mystery is irrelevant.

>- Ange and Eva are the only "survivors," but they still grow up to despise each other.

Eva wanted to love Ange, but she's a little girl who didn't understand what happened, so she blamed Eva and hated her.

>- Battler's body survives, but his personality is "dead" and he spends the rest of his life as a delusional amnesiac.

Until the end when he finds the golden land.

Pretty much.
I mean, most of the character development was just Battler trying to make sense of what happened. It may coincidentally be true of some characters, but most of them are probably different.
Also, Rudolf killed because it was too easy not to, and Kyrie has always had something against the family, and wanted to get rich.

ALRIGHT GUYS, TIME FOR SOMETHING FUUUUN

Now that we know it's all a delusional illusion, let's play WHAT REPRESENTS BATTLER'S PSYCHE!

I think Natsuhi and Eva's constant anger and conflict represent the Eros and Thanatos. Natsuhi is constantly driven by her love for Krauss and Kinzo, Eva is similar but harbors deep, highly destructive impulses (Eva-Beatrice)

OP here. I heard something about R07 writing an epilogue in another thread... is that true?

>>6736645

Umineko no Naku Koro ni Rei.

We don't know how long it will be, but Higurashi Rei lasted 3 chapters (EPs for Umineko).

A lot of us now hope it gives us another resolution, or at least the possibility of a meta-resolution.

>>6736645
He is writing Umineko Rei for C80

>>6736580
>>6736592
Some were saying that episode 4 is Battler's delusion, and in reality Ange and Eva didn't really hate each other. Or at least they might not have. Any truth to that? I haven't machine-read the episode yet.

Is it true that AuAu destroyed Lambda?

Woah woah woah...
This story sounds like it went down the crapper.

I'm just going to copy-paste my post here in hopes of more insight. I hope you guys don't mind too much.

>>6736536
So the point wasn't figuring out Yasu's heart, then? Okay, so now we're back to 7 different stories with no conflict resolution, very little development, a protagonist (meta-battler) who becomes less relevant as you read further into the stories, and in the end it was all a bunch of dreams anyway? In essence, the plot is then that "some events happened on an island, how they happened isn't important" and we're supposed to reach that conclusion after reading through the first 7 episodes, right?

It was entertaining, to say the least, but still confusing.

>>6736665

Hmm. Well, maybe he'll be able to give the story a bit more resolution.

Seems like it should have been done with EP8, though. Three new episodes seems a little excessive.

>>6736686
Yes, she also ate her.

>>6736686

Turned her into cake.

Does that count as destroying? Who knows.

I want that cake!

In more ways than one...

>>6736690

Same since old thread will probably sage:

"No more than 17 humans exist on this island!!"

With Kinzo dead, that leaves 4 kids, 7 adults, 5 servants and 1 doctor.

So who does Kyrie and Rudolph find in the VIP room? Where is Yasu? I can dig Kyrie/Rudolph being the culprit, even though I liked Kyrie more when she came off simply as a cunning, ruthless woman rather than a cunning, murderous one. But, Yasu? How would anyone know how to arm the bomb? etc

>>6736694
Why would she do that? Dont tell me "for the lulz".

I think the ending is open towards interpretation.

In the end, if you can look at the series with 'love', then yes--everyone lives happily every after, and Battler and Beatrice live in the Golden Land together.

If you look at it from a loveless prospective, then you get an ending where everyone just died horrible deaths and there was no happy ending for anyone.

What was that saying again?

Without love, the truth cannot be seen.

>>6736592
Was Eva aware of kyrie and Rudolfs actions? If so, it would explain why she never explained the truth which she took to her grave in order to protect ange but hates her because she Is their daughter?

That would explain a lot about Eva In volume 4.

>>6736721
But this is basically the opposite. Love makes you divert your eyes from the truth. Stop trying to make it sound all deep, it's not.

>>6736721
>Ryukishi couldn't end the story properly so he left it open ended.

Fixed that for you.

>>6736734
Don't forget that episode 4 never happened

Totally unrelated to this, sorry, but how do you host an Ougon Musou Kyou game?

Such a dick move to barge in here and ask. Do you just pick a port number and people connect to your IP?

I think bad end 1998 was fiction too.

It's mentioned that Ange grew up to be a bestselling author.

>>6736721
Despite people freaking out, the meta is pretty much as up to interpretation as ever. Knowing Battler was the one who wrote the stories in-game doesn't really change anything from EP6.

For example, when Ange meets and talks with amnesiac Battler/Toya, she recalls her experience in the meta to make sense of what happened to her brother.

>>6736580
>Battler's body survives, but his personality is "dead" and he spends the rest of his life as a delusional amnesiac.
Wait what? I don't exactly understand where this came from.

>>6736754
port forward your connection, use 10800, since thats most common. in hosting, select the first one, and use that port. then post your ip address.(not your router address)

>>6736754

Yes. Versus -> Player -> first option, pick a port.
I think the 2/60 is a delay/latency-related option but you can ignore it. Enter it and wait.

Connector picks the second option, inputs your IP, you two connect and fightans ensue.

Two questions:

- What happens when Ange meets old!Battler? How does she react?
- What does Kyrie do when Rudolf tells her that Battler's her son?

>>6736756
Didn't Ange write books about Sakutarou or something?

One of those brain aneurysm moments.

>>6736770
>>6736766
Appreciate the answers when this thread is about EP8. Thanks, guys.

Anyway, I find it funny that people are disregarding the Meta World characters (which they seem to love) in favor of "real world" Battler, who is really just a fucking new character at the end. I don't know him, I don't give a shit about him and his amnesia.

It goes both ways, I'm disregarding him and embracing the Meta World.

In fact, this ties in with what he was always pushing in the story. Love and fantasy. Embellishments and beauty that don't really exist except in our wishes. By providing a completely mundane ending, this is his last ditch attempt to make his readers realize how beautiful things are even if they're not real.

Because seriously, who gives a shit about the real world by this point? Ryukishi's been trying his damnedest to hide everything and make people care about the characters in a supposed "mystery".

So yeah, I can understand why he did this, and as for me, he succeeded with it.

The answer and the truth wasn't really important.

At least, that was the agenda he was pushing near the end. Problem is he stated that this was a mystery, when he was trying to push for fantasy. I'm sure he has some retarded reason for doing it this way, but it backfired on him badly.

Fuck the real world in Umineko. It never really mattered. Everyone is happy in the Golden Land.

>>6736751
I got the idea that ange's backstory growing up did happen. Like being "raised" by Eva and being treated like dirt by others.

Not to mention her possible suicide which preventing is the "good" end, and this being the case the real focus of everything after the first arc.

>>6736759
Amnesia is a common and convenient plot device for lazy authors.

So what did bern and 34 say in the end? So everything was for nothing? The closed rooms/ all the mystery parts and horror? Inst that like throwing aside every thing? I got many questions. First of all what happened too future ange and the people trying to catch her? What was the whole point of yasu if he/she wasn't the killer? Also why would battler image certain things like George going out on a date with Shannon. I've got more, ill post them next.

>>6736771
Ange is upset at first because Battler didn't come and meet her. Toya/Battler says he didn't want to meet Ange because he was terrified of his old memories coming back, because it felt like it was another person invading his head that he didn't know. He doesn't think of himself as "Battler" anymore, he's settled as "Toya". Ange remembers the red truth spoken by the witches about "Battler has died" and realizes this is what it means, but she's grateful because even though Toya isn't Battler, he's her older brother who came back to her.

>>6736780
Hard to be sure of that, since wasn't that just Battler making up back story for his sister barging in at the end of episode 3?

>>6736789

Well, that's depressing as fuck.

Is Eva confirmed as being dead in the "true end" version of 1998?

>>6736793
I'm pretty sure. It's heavily implied that all of EP8 on the "real" plane actually takes place as Ange was about to commit suicide by jumping from the building in EP4. Then by implication EP8 happens and suddenly she's happy and at peace with what happened and decides to live on as the last survivor of Mariage Sorciere.

>>6736793
Eva dies from illness like ep 4 showed, but leaves behind a diary with the truth in it.

So is Jessica a lesbian or not?

Didn't we get spoonfed the ending to the mystery in Episode 7.

Oh, /jp/.

Episode 8

>>6736804
Yes

>>6736790
I think the end of episode 8 takes place later. Long enough for ange to have decided not to commit suicide and grow up to be the successful author. That would be the grand conclusion battler, who could not bring back the dead but could save his sister, would have wanted.

>>6736779

>What is expected from you is neither a search for the culprit nor detective work.

>When will you believe in me?

>That is all that matters.

>If you want to do some detective work, go ahead.

>If you believe that there is an answer, go and continue to search.

>This is eternal torture that will not end until you can believe in witches.

Fuck you Ryu, you glorious troll.

okay i think we should go back, back to ep1, im really confused about the plot and what happened, so i say somebody who really remembers everything explains what happens in each story step by step. you could even make a chart. also don't add /jp/ theorys or what /jp/ thinks. just go by what was said in the vn. im sure doing this will clear up the sudden changes and also maybe answer some questions for everybody, it would be really nice.

>>6736804
Who knows, Kanon was apparently completely irrelevant in the end.

>>6736779
>Fuck the real world in Umineko. It never really mattered.

But the real world was practically the entirety of Episode 1, the introductory work of his series and what is supposed to set the tone, plot, and pacing of the works to follow. It would be like reading all 3 routes of F/SN, and then having a 4th route that says the previous 3 routes are all works of fiction, here's what really happened: and it turns out Shirou was just trying to write a story while balancing school and friends, magic isn't real, and servants don't exist. This "real" ending that renders the previous routes false and pointless also goes against what was established in the introduction, as well as completely changing the plot and throwing all character development out the window.

It seems silly, doesn't it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiCxYWXETyI
Remember when we thought the ending would be something like this? Good times...

>convenient diary with truth that surfaces after death
>long lost brother actually alive with amnesia
and this guy tried to write a challenge to the mystery genre?

Why did 34 get eaten? what did she do? what happened to Bern? WHO THE FUCK IS THE MASTER MIND? WHO IS THE FINAL BOSS, TAKANO WAS IN HURAGASHI SO WHO IS IT IN THIS? but seriously what happened to bern.

>>6736829

>But the real world was practically the entirety of Episode 1

That was an assumption. This was all a fantasy masquerading as mystery.

Ryukishi was just making a point about how the truth is usually bitter and ugly compared to delusions. He used the entire series to do so.

>>6736860
>WHO IS IT IN THIS?
Battler is his own demon.

>>6736833
No, no I don't. That shit is mad gay.

>>6736820
>also don't add /jp/ theorys or what /jp/ thinks. just go by what was said in the vn.
There is no point in doing this.

Rule 1 of Umineko: nothing is stated. Everything is implied.

>>6736860

Bern was turned into a cat. Or turned into a cat herself, she can do that.

Anyway, Featherine Augustus Aurora is the final boss.

>>6736868
what an asshole, he sure changed a lot.

So, for those who have played the game and know Japanese, do you also think Ikuko was actually Yasu?

>>6736860

Basically, the game Battler designed for Ange wasn't to show her the truth of how everyone died, but to help her remember the kind aspects of her family. Ange throws a tantrum, says fuck this shit, and basically throws her lot in with Erika, Bern, Auau, and summons a horde of goats on Battler, Beatrice, and their friends. Huge battle ensues.

Dlanor, Ronove, and Will in particular being awesome, (Will beating down goats by headbutting them ffffff), Battler vs Erika to the new Dread of the Grave remix, Ange vs Beato.

Battler and co kicking Bern's ass and reverting her back into a cat, Lambda attacking AuAu because of what happened to Bern and getting turned into a cake.

Basically Meta is totally awesome this episode. So really, fuck the real world.

EP4 - EP3's universe is the real one
EP6 - EP6's universe is the real one, for real this time
EP7 - EP7's universe is the real one, final
EP8 - EP8's universe is the real one, REALLY FINAL FOR REAL

Watch what happens when Rei comes out.

Were Bern and Lamba just a cat and cake that existed in 1998? A pet of battler/not battler and maybe a birthday cake of some sort. Ange's story in alliance, being hunted by family, seems to be in the summer possibly July?
Battlers birthday is in early July?

I am reading way to into this.

>>6736721
>Without love, the truth cannot be seen.

I guess the sad reality for Umineko would be, that without love you cannot delude yourself.

>>6736893
What ep6 universe?

Berncat and Lambdacake is the new Eva batman.

Personally I'm going to hold off on throwing an internet pissy fit over what the ending supposedly is until I actually read it for myself and hear more news about Rei.

I always thought Lambda looked like a cheap Halloween cake that you'd see at a crappy grocery store though. The kind with like 2 inches of buttercream on it that was decorated by someone that didn't know how to use an airbrush. I liked her and all but DAT DESIGN.

>>6736890
>Hey big brother, remember how our family was rumored to have been brutally slaughtered with few survivors? As a direct member of a family and a now-orphaned child, what actually happened? Please tell me.
>Well you see Ange, it was witches. Witches and LOVE.
>...You're an asshole, big brother.

This is what you're making it sound like. Poor Ange.

>>6736893
Rei? Don't you mean Episode Zero - Land of the Golden Witch?

>>6736919
Universe where Touya reveals that she wrote EP3-6

>>6736896

>Were Bern and Lamba just a cat and cake that existed in 1998?

No dear god that is the WRONG WAY TO INTERPRET IT.

In the real world, Lambda and Bern DON'T EXIST. That's it. No vessels. They are fictional guides in Battler's head.

In the meta world, they BECOME cat/cake because of other's actions.

>>6736890
what the fuck, one question.
why did they all suddenly attack each other though?
I thought Featherine Augustus Aurora couldn't touch the game board? who was the game master in ep8?
Also which side was meta battler on? what happened too Featherine Augustus Aurora in the end? so your saying she planned everything from the beginning? my getting a brain overload.

>>6736928
I liked Lambda's design.

>>6736896

1990

Amnesiac Battler is trapped on his wheelchair, all he remembers is his birthday. Ikuko served him a cake, all pink and fluffy. However, a business call came in and she left Battler for a while. Battler is trapped in the chair drooling. Ikuko's cat comes in, takes a long look at Battler, and pisses on the cake. Battler can only stare at it, his cheek muscles twitching.

Ikuko returns and starts feeding him the cake.

>>6736933
It was actually like this:

>Hey big brother, tell me the truth. I want to know that before I kill myself.
>(Shit, I cannot let her kill herself): How about a nice story with the nice aspects about your dear family?
>No, fuck off. I want the truth.
>The Truth? You cannot handle the truth!

Hey guys, maybe we should ask Ohara Sayaka about what really happened. She'd tell us the straight, undeniable truth

>>6736944

Battler was on the side of Fantasy. Battler was Game Master. Pretty sure this whole thing is above the Game Board now.

No idea what happened to the Meta World in the end. People got too distracted by Old Battler.

>>6736890
>Lambda attacking AuAu because of what happened to Bern

Lambda was actually Battler's ally from the start; the others convince her to help them. "Show me the greatest happy ending!" Bern throws a bitchfit about it and rants about how "Lambda cannot possibly be THAT stupid" and the two have this absolutely ridiculous fight.

Lambda is total fucking bro in this ep.

>>6736946
Why does the cake want to fuck the cat then?

okay question, who is Featherine Augustus Aurora?
if the almighty bern and 34 got turn into a cake and a cat.
is Featherine Augustus Aurora really real then? is she god?

>>6736951
>No brother, I can handle the truth!
>...Okay fine...this is what happened, on that day Kyrie-san and that damn old ma- oh speaking of which, this reminds me of a puzzle!

>>6736962
>Lambda is total fucking bro in this ep.

Go back to the first EP she showed up at. She's always been a bro.

>>6736890

Oh wait no, the real world had one cool bit. Rosa took on two gun wielding adults and won.

Lambda is okay in the Golden Land, right?

>>6736970
>Goddammit big brother, can't you just tell me th--now hold on, did you just say puzzle? I fucking LOVE puzzles!

Episode 8, ladies and gentlemen.

>>6736974
That never happened. The only thing we see is Battler and Beato escaping on the boat.

I think the implication, from Ange's reaction to the truth, is that it was very close to the EP7 Tea Party, but we don't see shit.

>>6736970
More like:

>No! BAAAAAAAAAAWWWW! I want the truth.
>Okay, look, have this key, which is the key of this catbox. Use it to find whatever you want until you're satisfied, okay?
>Bitch! I'm joining Bern and Co. to kick your ass. Suck it bro.
>Fuck...

>>6736890
>Battler and co kicking Bern's ass and reverting her back into a cat, Lambda attacking AuAu because of what happened to Bern and getting turned into a cake.

That's a lot of bullshit you made there.
-Lambdadelta was powned by Featherine, because she acted as a decoy for Battler and Ange. They needed someone to distract Bernkastel so the remaining 2 can dissolve the seal that Bern has put on Ange's key (which unlock Eva's diary).
Initially, Battler wanted to act as the decoy, but Ange didn't agree. Lambda suggests to determine it with janken, but much to their surprise, Lambda joined them and deliberately lose.
You got an insane battle between Lambda and Bern, but Featherine shows up.
Lambda pretends she just had business and Bern, out of friendship and respect for Lambda, tagged along. However, Featherine invited her to follow her to join her party (which would ruin the whole idea to stall Bern and Featherine for the key seal). So Lambda says screw this shit and revealed her intention.
Problem? Featherine is a frigging impossible boss, the likes that you can only beat with cheat code.

As for Bern, she never turned back into a cat. She was simply defeated.

The whole "cat cake" thing is just some smoking crack.

Was anybody confused in ep2 when they went straight into the meta world without explaining a goddamn thing? I was like what the fuck is going on?

>>6736982
Wasn't there a scene with Rosa Musou?

>>6736988

When does LastEndConductor play?

>>6736974
>>6736982
I wouldn't put it past Rosa.

>>6736996
Yes, but in Meta. While Ange, Battler, and Lambda are taking on Featherine and Bern, everyone else is fighting off hordes of goats led by Erika in the Golden Land.

The goat attacks Maria by saying "Rosa never loved you and was an awful mother" and Rosa responds by going absolutely apeshit on them.

>Problem? Featherine is a frigging impossible boss, the likes that you can only beat with cheat code.
have i already said how much i hate the bitch?

>>6737008
>The goat attacks Maria by saying "Rosa never loved you and was an awful mother" and Rosa responds by going absolutely apeshit on them.

Thanks man, I really needed my Rosa Musou.

>>6737009
Well of course. It's only natural to loathe author-insert characters.

>>6737009
You would expect her to simply be Hanyuu V2, but no, she doesn't simply pull a ZA WARUDO. She can basically rewrites -anything-.

So, while Lambda was frozen, well, Featherine was basically turning her into pulp. Once time was back to track, Lambda didn't even understand -what- killed her.
Not even "when", but "what".

>>6737019
Featherine = The Beyonder?

How does Bern get her ass kicked?

>>6737004
LastEndConductor plays when it is showtime between Battler and Bern, next to the Key seal in the library.

>>6736946
I just lol'd so freaking hard people though there was something fucking wrong with me.

Fuck them! They don't even know!

Thank you anon.

>>6737027
Ange reawakens as the Witch of Ressurrection and beats Bern's red truth that everyone, including Battler, is dead.

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Anyone, please?

wait so Featherine Augustus Aurora really IS the final boss? so will every single fucking thing be explianed if they defeat her? maybe that is wat ep8 is going to be about. I got one question though, wasn't Featherine Augustus Aurora really the real writer for everything? maybe shes really write battlers story on a god level plain and everybody has to band together to defeat her. I think it time guys to give up on the msytery part of this visual novel. it was all a big ruse from r07, he always ended his storys with something magical or fantasy, in the end of huragashi, bern helped takano get back to her time. im telling you guys r07 is planning something big that involves both his works.

So in EP8, does it show Touya with new tales, Requiem and Twlight?

>>6737042
I'd like to think so but /jp/ is in full pessimism mode with most of their convoluted theories having been rendered irrelevant.

>>6737027
Bern was first dominating Battler, but her support from Featherine got completely owned by... Endless Nine.
Battler didn't care about Featherine's cat legions because of EN.

However, after a lengthy battle, Bern managed to kill him. Things go extremely gloomy as Erika reports that the Golden Land (and so its denizens) have been obliterated.
Nail of the coffin? Declaration in red.

I didn't get exactly the fine details here, but Ange was like "screw this shit" after a DESPAIR mode, and simply didn't accept Bern's red. Battler revives, much to Bern's complete bewildering surprise, and even Beato and EVERY pieces show up.

Then Ange WTFpown Bern with a super ray of doom, made of golden truth.

>>6737042
i dont care. i just want to see her ass being kicked badly and for ever
fucking cheap whore

So how does old man Battler come into play?
Does it really show him telling Touya what to write or is he just her reader?

i think it is possible to solve previous episodes with the info we have gathered so far

for example,the siestas (chiesters) are the four winchesters.
Siesta 556 is the damaged rifle, the one that exploded on natsuhi's face during ep1
Siesta 00 is the rifle that shoots low, the eyepatch simbolizes that.

also, character's backstories are not competely important but each one (except for hideyoshi) helped to create the rokkenjima incident

"Suppose you are reading a detective story with an intriguing situation. A corpse (let us say) is found strangled, sitting in a chair by a window, and wearing a domino mask; and all the clocks in the house are found with their faces turned to the wall. You are carefully warned that the blazing clue to the truth is the fact that there is a teaspoon in the victim's pocket, and that, without all these things being just as they were, the crime could never have taken place. ... Now, suppose at the denoument the identity of the killer was revealed -- for the simple reason that his fingerprints matched those on the collar of the strangled man. Would you feel cheated? That's exactly what might happen in life; but would you feel cheated? You know drat well you would. ... He admits the crime. Then he shoots himself. Consequently, you never know the significance of the mask or the reversed clocks, or what deduction you should have drawn from the teaspoon. Page 315, 'The End'. What would you do? You would strangle the author, lynch the publisher, and shoot the bookseller."

This is why people hate the ending. But I could see why Ryukishi made it this way. He really wanted to push his whole "fantasy is good" theme to the fucking limit. Major props to him having the balls to go through with it.

>>6737058
Full scale war like this should really have more than just 11 tracks for the episode

>>6737042
Although she is definitely on boss category, she isn't really a character to vainquish.
Actually, after Bern's defeat, she was alright to let Ange and everyone else leaving, and agreed to leave the cat box sealed (probably the whole deal with Ange satisfied her).

Beato's cat box is itself the pandora box, so there isn't really any side to defeat (not even Bern in fact, since she was just trying to make it burst open).

>>6737047
No. Although Ikuko (female Hachijou, human featherine) is still called the one behind the message bottles forgery, no mention of requirem or even twilight.

>>6737075
They used pretty well the old and new tracks.
The Golden Land holy war had a new track, and it was orgasmic I would say (so many awesome with EVERY DAMN PIECES brawling together).

Meanwhile, the last showtime limelight is definitely ass kicking thanks to lastendconductor.

>>6737086
>Golden Land holy war

Governments = Fantasy Side
Wikileaks = Mystery Side

>>6737118
>Bern on Battler's side
HAHA OH WOW how old is that?

>>6737166

ep 4 obviously.

>>6737166
Episode 3.

>>6737172
No Gaap or Siesta 00 so more likely EP3

うみねこのなく頃にep8の詳しくネタバレお願いします。お願いします

ベストアンサーに選ばれた回答
作家になった縁寿、若き頃の金蔵や霧江みたいな外見の戦人と再会。

明らかになった過去。
戦人の両親がみんなを殺害。戦人も共犯。
戦人の両親は楼座と相討ちで死亡。
絵羽なんとか助かる。戦人とヤスは二人で島を脱出。罪の意識からかヤスは
入水自殺。戦人後追い自殺。
戦人記憶喪失状態で八城に救われ、何故か戦人トリック担当・八城小説担当
でコンビを組んで八城十八というペンネームで推理小説家に。


今までの「うみねこ」という話は創作。実際に何があったのかは「ご想像に
お任せします」です。
魔法(真エンド)は縁寿が未来に向かって生きていきます。
最終的にエンディングで八城と一緒に記憶が無い戦人と再開します。戦人に
記憶が無いのはヤスと入水自殺しようとした時の後遺症らしいです。
ちなみに戦人は自殺しようとしたけど失敗して、八城さんに拾われて結構長
く一緒に生活してるようです。
そのあと色々あって、最後にゲロカス妄想（幻想描写）がでて終わりです。

六軒島からの生還者は戦人と絵羽だけで、他の人は全員死亡。
明らかにゲロカス妄想ですが、皆仲良く幻想郷で暮らしているそうです

EP８は基本的に真実を知ろうとする者は悪者として扱われます。
創作だからなのか、EP7や今までの伏線もほとんど明かされません。
散々引き延ばした留弗夫の話も戦人が霧江の息子ってことくらいです。

>>6737180
Translate please

So this EP6 prediction fanart matches pretty well for EP8

So let me get this staight. At the end, which is long into the future, Battler is now Toya Hachijo and is living with Featherine. She is known as Ikuko, and is somehow related to Battler. Battler has amnesia and is writing this shit to figure out what happened. But Ange is alive and an author.

So who is Ikuko?

So, what did the epitaph mean? Did it have no solution?

>>6737180
what the fuck is this shit?

>>6737216
Taiwan

>>6737216
Did you read EP7?

>>6737216
What?
It was solved in EP7 already.

>>6737156
So that's what Umineko meant.

>>6737216
>Did it have no solution?
Complete spoonfeed solution in EP7

>>6737233
No. Enlighten me please

>>6737238
>No.
No what? It had a whole chapter of detailed explanation.

>>6737246
Sorry. I clicked the wrong response. But explain what the epitaph detailed

>>6737238
Japanese/Chinese/English wordplay relying on obscure Taiwanese geography. Go read episode 7.

>>6737210
Ikuko found Battler on the road, close to the shore, as he was nearly dying (both state that if she didn't find him, he would be pretty much dead).

As Battler wakes up, they realize that he doesn't remember shit, except his age (got a brain injury, according to a doctor). This is why they decided he will be called Hachijou touya, which is a pun with 18.

Ikuko realizes that Touya has a very keen eye for written tales etc, and wonder if he couldn't give her a hand for her hobby.
After a while, Touya makes the stuff regarding Rokkenjima while Ikuko is responsible for the writing (he pretty much gives her the idea and setup).

Considering battler's state, Ikuko shows up as "Hachijou Touya" when they have to make a public appearance.

>>6737216
you didn't read ep7, did you?

>>6737262
>obscure Taiwanese geography
It really isn't, even I've heard of it before EP7, and I've never been to Taiwan.

>>6737255
80% kanji wordplay and thus impossible for non-japanese speakers

>>6737277
So, she simply decided not to take him to a hospital or anywhere where he could receive any professional help?

>>6737311
if you found a hot young male with amnesia and could keep him to yourself with no legal consequence, wouldn't you do the same?

what about amakusa and the boat captain thing?

did ange really go to rokkenjima and got killed by amakusa?

>>6737319
Why did you delete your post? It wasn't a bad one.

>>6737322
I have not read the chapter yet but as far as I know amakusa is not real... can anyone confirm this?
Also what the hell is the point of okonogi anyway, just a crossover?

MAGICAL CHEF GHODA WHAT DOES HE DO ?

>>6737323
Because I didn't read the part that said:

>got a brain injury, according to a doctor

So what happened to Will's arm, did it regrow or is it gone forever?

>>6737329

Nothing like that was resolved, sorry.

It really was all useless.

>>6737310
But I would like to know exactly what the wordplay was and where it led them. I haven't been able to play because my computer is screwing with me and I am using my friend's computer in the time being, so I have to rely on these threads

>>6737331
He's the protagonist of Rei and will fix everything. At the end he will ride off into the sunset with Beez-nee.

>>6737336
You're lame. You should've kept it so my wit would have proven itself strong.

>>6737343
Trying to explain it is really hard. I barely understood shit as it was and my memory is horrible.

In the end, they had the word quadrillion or some shit and had to kill six certain letters. In the end they got L O R D U as in Lord Ushiromiya and then some each letter was a key shit and then the stones all turned and pointed towards a secret hole which had the VIP room with gold.

>>6737323
i want to know what the deleted post said.

>>6737216

Word games.

Solved in episode 7. Go read it.

Or if you mean ACTUAL meaning, then no, it was just the key to the gold.

>>6737343
Here, watch this VN walkthrough video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOkormBxDnA

>>6737347

plz give

>>6737367
I asked if Ikuko just kept Battler without taking him to a hospital or anywhere he could receive any professional help, but it seems she did do that.

Hey, what happens to Erika? Can someone detail her role in full as much as possible?

The same goes for Eva Beatrice.

>>6737277
Ah... man... and I really wanted Ikuko to be Yasu.

Anyhow, what do you guys make of the ending? Battler simply remembering? Battler remembering and then dying? Any other idea?

>>6737401

She the bitch that we love...

Also, threesome ending.

>>6737395
Why was she keeping him anyways? He doesn't have memories, it's no different from kidnapping a kid.

>>6737412

Actually, that is not how memory works

>>6737412
Read
>>6737319


>>6737348
Happy now?

Anybody know what Lambda's weapons are?

>>6737412
maybe she likes cute things....

can someone translate this?

>>6737343
I cant remember every bit of it but its something around those lines:
The beloved hometown was Taiwan like a lot of moonpeople guessed years ago, there is a river that translates as Freshwater that leads to a town called Freshwater, sweetfish usually live in fresh water so it was a good hint. A taiwan railroad map (it was a railroad instead of literally a river) leads to a town called Kirigan. Some kanji wordplay comes into play and kirigan can be read with two "mouth" and one "tell" kanjis thus the "the two will tell you of" part of the epitaph.

Also for the first twilight sacrifice the six letters, and "Kirigan" can be romanized as "Qilian" so Qilian is the key, more kanji wordplay comes into play for "quadrillion". The rest of the sacrifices is playing with the letters in Qilian and Quadrilion at the chapel and sacrificing the letters until only "l o r d u" (lord ushiromiya, from praise my name" twilight) are left, this opens a secret door to the gold room

>>6737411
Elaborate.

Yes, she's a bitch, but what does she do besides being a bitch and coming back from oblivion to fight Battler? I also hear she destroys the Golden Land. Anything after that, or does she just go back to the place she came from?

>>6737331
He trolls Maria.

>>6737429
>The beloved hometown was Taiwan like a lot of moonpeople guessed years ago
Wasn't it a English fan who first solved the epitaph?

>>6737425
Why is there no legal consequences? Do hospitals really just allow strangers, who the patient doesn't even know to take them home?

>>6737432
That BASTARD! He murdered the rose that led Umineko to be too interesting for our own good!

HE started everything! THAT BASTARD!

>>6737442
THAT HORRIBLE, GLORIOUS, MAGNIFICENT, MAGICAL GOHDA CHEF BASTARD

>>6737435
>Wasn't it a English fan who first solved the epitaph?
I think he only got the Danshui and the railroad as river parts

>>6737437
now you said that...i wonder why police didn't come and investigate this amnesiac guy who could be related to the disappearance of the Ushiromiyas.

>>6737430

As I understand, turns against Bern in the last minute.

Still, it seems that she get a pretty gay ending with Bern and Lambda

>>6737428
1. I am the Witch of Truth, Furudo Erika!!
2. Th... thanks for saving me.
3. I already heard her name...
Um... You are...?
So I was only asking as confirmation, but...
4. A pervert from somewhere?
Who's a pervert, you bitch!!?

>>6737459
Ever read/see Stephen King's "Misery"?

ok so I'm reading episode 7 and let me get this straight

Kinzo fucked his daughter (Beatrice II) to make lion?

>>6737407
Wait wait wait. I think I can keep deluding myself.

>Nanjo had a granddaughter.
>Theory time: This granddaughter wasn't related by blood. Yasu actually spent some time in his house, and she was treated as part of the family. As for the supposed disease... that could have been a lie, or she died due to some other reason.
>Ikuko took Battler to some doctor.
>Theory time: This doctor was Nanjo Masayuki. This is why she could keep Battler with no legal consequences.

I guess I can live with this.

>>6737493
Precisely!

>>6737508
INCEST! WOO WOO

on a more serious note, anyone have images of the new people?

>>6737478
that kinda...could be a good fanart!!!Hope some drawfag would draw this Misery Umineko crossover fanart.

>>6737478
If Rei ends like Misery I'd be satisfied.

We get a sprite rip yet?

Umineko No Naku Koro ni Rei EP9: Remake of the Golden Witch

- AuAu is killed by an unknown person
- That person takes the role of the writer and, disgarding everything that happened in EP5 onwards restarts the tale again
- You now take the role of a unseen person that was invited to the conference and everyone is familiar with him
- He is revealed to be Horatio Caine and resolves everything without anyone being killed

>>6737544
Umineko episode 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJfowXTXOfU

>>6737478
>Battler in a wheelchair


Oh god...

>>6737579
Don't tell me someone just started something here...

>>6737579

Umineko - Writers Meta

I am so disappointed with you guys....I believe you guys don`t get the message that Ryukishi left for us after all these games
He wants us to search for the truth
Search for it in the endless sea of kakeras
And that is what i am going to do /jp/
I`ve locked myself in my room and i will not leave it until i find the true ending
And that is, choosing every possible answer to the game, every slice of the cake, every number of coins, all the possibilities for the culprits....

I know it is going to be tough at first, but i will not give up
Not until i find it
Our true happy ending
Well....So that is it /jp/
I am now going to hand the keys of my room to my grandma
Wish me luck my friends.

>>6737613
inb4 his grandma kills him and the rest of the family due to goldfever

>>6737613
All the coins do is unlock music that can be heard everywhere online that allows it. But good luck with that anyway.

>>6737613
>choosing every possible answer to the game,
doesn't work
>every slice of the cake,
all the same
>every number of coins,
just adds epilogues so the characters say goodbye
>all the possibilities for the culprits....
Bern laughs at you
>Our true happy ending
It's not in the script, I checked them and posted the last lines (Battler's epilogue) that's the end of the ????
Itn is a fact it doesn't exist

>Kinzo with love
A man whos love was too great for bechi and let it spill into his daughter with her, unfortunately.
>Kinzo without love
A deranged mass murderer(by proxy, he instigated the italian/jap massacre) who had incestuous relations with his daughter and entrusted it to his equally insane daughter in law natsuhi.
>Krauss with love
Stupid dolt who tried his best with what he had and fucked shit up. OON HOOOTEEELLLS FUCK YEAR
>Krauss without love
Moron that embezzeled his fathers money without due course and adds to the end event of everyone dying. Unimportant and useless
>Natsuhi with love
A slightly deranged lady who let her feelings get in the road of having a child.
>Natsuhi without love
The main cause of all this mess by creating yasu in the first place. If she had finished the job or accepted it in the first place, maybe this might not have happened.
>Eva with love
Overbearing but loving mother who wants the best, even for children that arn't her own, she did her best to love ange but the love wasn't reciprocated.
>Eva without love
Let her despair rain on ange, nosy, pushy, forces her wants onto her child for her sake, useless, skiving and conniving bitch.
>Hideyoshi with love
Useless bumbling husband
>Hideyoshi with love
Useless
>Rudolf with love
Forced into a situation by his love of two woman, only wanted best for both, let his feelings get the better of him wich ends in a tradgedy.
>Rudolf without love
Mass murderer that kills his family along with his deranged wife in a moment of pure greed and cowardness.
>Kyrie with love
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>kyrie without love
Deranged but glorious bitch who had a grudge against the family and her love that festered and finally popped at the most oppurtune moment, was only a matter of time till it happened.
>Rosa with love
Best mom ever
>Rosa without love
Best mom ever but a deranged greedy bitch with husbando and abandoment issues.
cont..

Misery Theory; Battler's broken mind is being exploited to feed Rokkenjima witch hunter's appetites and feed Ikuko's wallet and ego (not to mention free boytoy).

Rei; AuAu is going to get comeuppance from Beato and her Golden Land Allies when all of the stories manage to gain their own will to break meta

R07's inner hack must do this

>>6737624
Nope, coins also unlock extra bits of dialogue.

>>6737635
>George with love
Weird guy but tried to change. Unfortunate he fell in love with who he did.
>George without love
FAT FAT COWARD
>Jessica with love
Poor unfortunate soul who just wanted to live her life gets caught up in the mass murder.
>Jessica without love
Shady character but mostly harmless. Really an unfortunate girl.
>Maria with love
Witch extrodanaire who just wanted to be loved by her mommy, a little cooky but mostly just cute and innocently helps the deranged witch
>Maria without love
Major assitant culprit in most scenarios if they DID come true, autistic, retarded, delusional, poor poor lonely child. Caught up in the mass murder.

>Shannon with love
Bumbling maid, loyal servant.
>Shannon without love
An illusion
>Kannon with love
Silent butler, loyal servant
>Kannon without love
An illusion
>Genji with love
Did his best to serve and save kinzo by hiding his child and preventing the sin from before happening, loyal to both kinzo and yasu
>Genji with love
Loyal servant blinded by faith, the first time he showed backbone it was only to save the child to entrust it to danger again. Don't be half assed man, either reintroduce the child or keep it away, forever.
>Kumasawa with love
Tale weaver and "mother" to yasu, a bit chatty at times but well meaning.
>Kumasawa without love
A derange weaver creating confusion and lies wherever possible. Responsible for magic beleiving yasu.
>Gohda with and without love
Useless, but he's magical chef gohda so it doesn't matter
>Nanjo with and without love
A decent chap who is easily swayed by money but tries to do his best in the end.
Ends up in the worst position by having to conceal many secrets

>>6737654

Battler, Oh god, where to start.

>With love
A poor soul trying to get back his memories by reliving the rokkenjima incident in his mind over and over. Lost his "love"
>Without love
A derranged amnesiac who lost his love but decides that instead of going to find his last living relatives, he will just sit in stupor turning into kinzo mrk 2.

>Yasu with love
Only wanted love, tried to find the best way in her derranged mind to fic the mess she caused by playing imaginary friends. Causes the tragedy and tries to attone by suiciding.
>Yasu without love
Crazy bitch who hates eveyone and everything after finding out that she's the way she is because she was pushed off a cliff, has severe issues with sexuality since she(or he) has lost his or her penis/womb. Causes the murder by exposing the gold and bomb through her "love trial". Kills self to try to attone, ends up making batteler atone instead. Pitiful creature who should never have been birthed. Sad, really.


Anything i miss?

Didn't bother touching on meta characters because, well, i wouldn't touch that metaphorical shit with a 10 foot cake.

>>6737654
Battler and Yasu where?

I hate Umineshit's community.

>>6737675
.

The best thing about Episode 7-8 is that it confirmed my theory of Kyrie being the killer that I've had since Episode 4. The details were way off, but I was right about who did it.

Feels good man, knowing that I was right all along.

>Kyrie with love
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
She was a pitiful woman that got everythinig she loved stripped from her and all she could do was hoping and hating

I remember back when episode 6 was released and everything pointed at Shkannon, we would have threads after threads pleading for a Kyrie culprit end and even joking about a hobo battler end

I guess we kinda had it coming, I just wish some characters had better closure to their stories

>>6737640
Ange, you want me to speak the truth?
...*nods head*...
How many coins do you have?
...*shows hand*...
Ten?! Pff, come back when you've collected 15 coins.

Even if Umineko ended absolutely horribly, it was a fun ride. At least we got some awesome music.

>>6737695
HAHAHAHA

PITIFUL

HAHAHAH

THAT'S A GOOD ONE ANON

The whole fucking story is ruined for me. Still fucking love original Beato and the music though.

Dis song made me cry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YyVpNKA7vs

meta characters without love
stakes: ordinary antiques bought in new york
siestas: winchesters
ronove and virigilia: genji and kumasawa idealized by yasu's mind
gaap: the first beato created by yasu
dlanor: a paper with the knox rules
dlanor's assistants: eva's receipt and duct tape
furfur and zepar: butterfly brooch
goats: not sure
bernkastel: the concept of miracles and a cat(?)
34: the concept of certainty and a cake (?)

>>6737765
stakes: paperweights, not antiques

>>6736833

Why you do that anon. Don't remind me of what could have been.

So Battler and Ange did meet at least? I wonder what Sen-ka would say about this.

And what's the meaning of the ending (where Akiko's song is played) if Battler is now Touya and living with Ikuko? He killed himself at the end?

>>6737180

Seems to be a plot summary of sorts. My bad attempt:

Blah blah blah, Umineko EP8 spoilers, arigatou.

The past is revealed. A younger Ange meets Kyrie (she becomes one of the people on Rokkenjima in this iteration), Kyrie goes on murderous rampage. Battler is brought in as an unwilling accomplice. His parents die (Rosa is mentioned but I don't understand the circumstances in particular). Eva manages to survive. Battler and 'Yasu' both escape from the island. Yasu drowns themselves in guilt. Battler tries to drown himself as well.

Battler was saved by that author person, suffers from amnesia. Together they write eight novels under a pen name.

Umineko is a story of creation. What really happened is up to your imagination, and should be left as-is.
The magic end will continue to live on into the future for Ange. (meta-Ange apparently shows up and finds older Battler)
Because he failed to commit suicide, Battler is picked up by the author (I can never remember her name) and they're living together.
It all ends as a variety of delusions.

The only Rokkenjima survivors are all authors(?), the rest were killed.
It's obviously all a delusion, but they all live happily in the Golden Land.
Episode 8 is just meant to tell you who the real villain is. EP7 gave plenty of hints (?).
Also, Kyrie and Rudolph get into a fight over Battler's nature as their son. (I'm guessing it's why Kyrie didn't kill him outright; Rudolph either told the truth or lied to save him.)

>>6737775

That would have been worse than this any your know it.

>>6737801

I don't know, he's been hammering the 'Without love it cannot be seen' shtick at us for the past four years. It makes sense and I rather like the ending. It's up to us to decide what to believe.

Okay okay okay okay okay

How many threads like this have we seen today? How many times did you fall for it?

Fucking idiots

>>6737635

Poor Eva and Rosa. They didn't deserve the end they got.

>>6736960

The meta world is real. Its just battlers not part of it anymore. I mean why else would ange recall her experience as well as battler making storys bout the meta? Why not just have it all in the real world like a real mystery story.

>>6737778
>The only Rokkenjima survivors are all authors(?), the rest were killed.

No, it says "The only Rokkenjima survivors were Battler and Eva. The rest died."

Goddamnit, the ending was fucking Titanic. Beato drowns while battler survies and marries and grows old. Then he "reunites" with her in a dream or something.

>>6737828
more like being locked by an obsessive author and dies

>>6737801

No. I would take happy bullshit magical endo over the shit we have now. At least the few decent people would have had a nice life.

>>6737822
Yeah, the Meta World is as ambiguous as ever. Knowing Battler wrote the Hachijo tales doesn't really change anything from before. I think you can believe in it if you want - you have things like Ange remembering what happened when meeting Battler, and her sudden turnaround in reality from utterly suicidal to happy, content, and determined to live is really hard to make sense of unless you take her meta experience into account to some degree.

The entire presentation of Toya/Battler is to emphasize that he's not "Battler" (read: our meta-Battler) anymore, but meta-Battler is able to seperate/reunite with Beatrice through him in the end.

>>6737833

We really need a drawfag on this now

>>6737778
>Together they write eight novels under a pen name.
Doesn't say they wrote 8 tales
八城十八 is the author's name

Ok to those moonspeakers who actually finished reading the chapter could you please confirm what was the reason as to why Rudolf switched the babies? Looks like everyone got too carried away with lambdacake and old battler to actually care for something like that

>>6737845
>八城十八 is the author's name

Hachijo Toya. Hachigo (八城) because it's another way to read the name Yashiro (Ikuko) and Toya (十八) because its characters read "18," Battler's age and the only thing he remembers about himself.

I wasn't aware that the Umineko fighting game had exclusively mixed tracks, anyone upload them yet?

Well, least Jessica and Rosa died fighting.

Rosa specifically was successful, I imagine she gave Kyrie and Rudolf the finger as she covered them in their own blood.

>>6737869
http://www.mediafire.com/?5ku96mha6x1l76p

>>6737869
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVrJDEPrULk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKdgMK2SU5U&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vggiFYHETs&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpMsaHSplPw

>>6737876
No, I'm talking about the actual BGM. I think there are two or three tracks that were exclusively mixed, I was listening to them in the program folder.

>>6737873
Wait, what did Jessica do in EP8? And George and Maria for that matter, while I'm at it.

>>6737873
We need a drawfag on this, Rosa is fucking awesome.

Fucking Kyrie and Rudolph

>Solution to closed room not explained.

>>6737891
Will explains them all in EP7

I believe in the meta. Without love it cannot be seen.

Also, Titanic end makes me cry in a good way. This goddamn series.

>>6737880
Four themes, linked above:

The fighting game's main theme in full
Zepar and Furfur's theme (I THINK it's sung by Zepar and Furfur's VAs)
An acoustic version of EP7 and 8's OP
An original song performed by Battler's VA

>>6737891

>>6737897

No, as I was listening to some of the BGM in the folders, the version of "dir" sounds remixed, etc

>>6737895
I believe in the truth.

The truth is that good people, died for hardly any good reason at all.

But don't slip into delusions. Yasu did that, and, well, it didn't work out very well.

Just read the spoilers and good god that is a horrible way to end the story. He would've just been better off ending it with EP7. What a waste of time.

>>6737908
Sorry, didn't understand the question.

Still, these are awesome songs.

>>6737915
Now try playing through the whole thing yourself and judge it then.

>>6737897
>Zepar and Furfur's theme (I THINK it's sung by Zepar and Furfur's VAs)
It's not, it by the same people who sings in some Umineko BGM

though Furfur and Zepar do get official VAs to voice them

This ending really does kind of suck.

But I'm sure half of you will love it because of how CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZY it is.

Man, I feel bad for Jessica. Poor girl.

>>6737919

It's cool, actually now I'm sure some of these tracks are remixed, by pre-holder I think. Dir and Wings are both definitely remixed. Cool.

>>6737895
If there's legitimate meta, I think it covers the Bern, Lambda, and probably the heaven group. And Beato and Battler as witches. Rokkenjima and its pieces, of course, are a catbox of fantasy constructed by Beato.

it's probably delusional but that's my story and I'm sticking to it

>>6737929
Other than the fact that Kanon is not real, WHAT HAPPENS TO HER?

So the "Battler's in a coma, this is all in his mind" joke theories we're closer than most of the actual semi-reasonable theories? Goddamnit, this is brain parasites all over again.

>>6737936
She's dead along with everyone else

>my face when real Battler is actually Ryukishi

>>6737936
She was murdered.

And not even for a good reason, Kyrie and Rudolph just really wanted to be shitty people.

Hoping Rei addresses her somehow, she's like the Mion of Umineko.

>>6737911

It turned out awesome for Meta Battler.

He's happy in imaginationland.

I hope Rei is full meta fantasy. Fuck the real world.

>>6737944
Except Ryukishi is bald.

>Battler and Meido escape in a submarine
>a WW2 submarine probably
>They manage to drive him
>AND THEY ARE ONLY 2
This is some high level bullshit.

>>6737950
Meh.

The Meta-world has such a fake quality about it.

OH SHIT WILL AND LION JUST DIED

lol, not really...

>>6737944
If Battler is Ryukishi, then who was AuAu?

>>6737936

dead for stupid reasons and nothing is ever explained.

>>6737949
Like a lesbian, blonde version of Mion, yeah.,,

I've just realised I never really got to know the characters at all, since in the end, they were all written from Battler's POV.

Also, how did real life Battler fell for Yasu? I mean, even though he liked her 6 years ago, they had just met again in 1986 and had barely spent 2 days together.

>>6737963
She's the inner Ryu that wishes to be the little girl.

Jessica gets such a shitty ending for being such an awesome character.
Her boyfriend isn't real.
Beat by a batshit crazy cunt Kyrie.
Dies in the end for no reason.
Why do good characters always have such bad endings?

>>6737949
Someone said Jessica died fighting like Rosa.

Verify?

>>6737959
Lambda seems to have saved them at the last minute in recognition of their certain determination.

I'm not really crazy about Will and Lion's inclusion in this episode in general, though, even though I like them a lot. They felt really out of place. They have their own things to do, so it's weird seeing them derping along with Beato and Battler's pieces even when Beato and Battler themselves have no idea who the fuck they are.

>>6737973
>Also, how did real life Battler fell for Yasu? I mean, even though he liked her 6 years ago, they had just met again in 1986 and had barely spent 2 days together.

That scene is kind of strange for both characters. This is my interpretation, but it really felt like their meta incarnations talking through their pieces there, rather than actual human interaction?

SEE ANGE, THE TRUTH IS THAT KYRIE AND RUDOLPH WEREN'T BAD AT ALL

"Uh, Battler, that's retarded."

"WELL FUCK YOUR SHIT ANGE I'M CRAZY"

And so Battjessgeorgenanjogohdashkanonclairyasugaaprikakastgohdnankinzrosmariayridulpraussnatsuhikumasawatr
ice came to be.

>>6737975

She's not an awesome character though. She was pointless. But fuck I hate Rudolf, Kyrie, Ange and Battler now.

>>6737975
Ryukishi is now in " Tomino in the 80's" mode

>>6737975
She's the symbol of innocence, more or less.

Once she bites it you know this wasn't ending well.

As expected He couldnt fix it.........

Ryukishi is the best troll ever,.......

Now I hope that Uminekofags understand why people hate umineko...

Fuck what actually happened

Battler flies off with his witch waifu while Gohda saves the day with his wonderful magical chef powers with the help of Jessica who is now useful and they all live happily ever after.

>>6737988
I'd understand that, but old Battler is in love with Beatrice; so, I guess the scene from the island must have been themselves and not their Meta counterparts.

>>6737975
Ever watch UC Gundam shows?
Well, Jessica is the token innocent character who dies to show how GRIMDARK the setting is.

Don't worry though, Kamile will avenge her.

>>6737996
Ryukishi "KILL 'EM ALL" 07?

>>6737988

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Otherwise it makes zero sense for Battler to give a shit about Yasu to the extent that he did.

>>6738005
Kamille's just an autistic child. What'll he do?

>>6738004

Well, old Battler isn't exactly sane and shit

>>6737988
Something tells me EP8's "reality" is really just a fragment Featherine created.

She did say she was going to go through the tales using her "truth" to unlock the mystery.

WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED

George was an alpha as fuck gentleman who Shannon loved.

Jessica was her best friend who she confided in fully.

Battler was always shy around Shannon and really stalked her to no end, even when he was no longer a Ushiromiya.

Later on, Battler held her at gunpoint as he finally had his chance to make her his.

Shannon, obviously still in love with George and severely upset at the loss of her best friend, killed herself.

>>6737891
>>6737892
Yup Will explained almost everything in ep 1-4, and what he left unadressed you can easily explain

All you need to know is that basically at the beginning every death is faked due to "working for yasu" "bribed by yasu" "not actually existing as a person", in episode 3 Eva probably accidentally killed Rosa/Maria and was confronted by Kyrie/Rudolf in the mansion, and in ep 4 Kyrie went stabby stabby thus Yasu being actually dead inside Natsuhi's room

But really:
>You will never know who knoecked on the door in ep 5
>It never happened, nobody cares
>sadface

There should be a Battler's version of that Sanae fanart where she is in a wheelchair, older and things that represent Suwako and Kanako scattered in the floor.

>>6738009
Just like Ange experienced the meta that suddenly completely changed her mindset from being suicidal with despair within seconds, Battler and Beato/Yasu experienced the meta while escaping the massacre. Battler got amnesia, but the stories were written based on his memories from there.

MY STORY AND I'M STICKING TO IT.

>>6738013
Cry, and kill one of Jerid's waifus.

JUST AS PLANNED

>>6738024
>You will never know who knoecked on the door in ep 5

I though this was solved by the "clock was off" thing

>>6738023
Hell, probably.

>>6738023
AAAAAAAAARGH THIS EXPLANATION IS THE WORST TRUTH MORESO THAN OTHER ANONS EXPLANATIONS

>>6738024
>>You will never know who knoecked on the door in ep 5
George, Jessica, Rosa or Maria

>>6738004
Toya/Battler completely separates himself from being "Battler", even after regaining his memories. He frames it as "I carry Ushiromiya Battler's memories", and talks about how it was terrifying because he is not Battler and it felt like having the memories of another person were going to kill him/erase his own existence as Toya.

So the last scene where he sees the portrait of Beatrice in Fukuin is by implication "Battler" finally leaving Toya altogether and going back to where he belongs with Beatrice.

>>6738023
This is disturbingly plausible.

Was that bit about a certain nurse who was Ikuko friend true?

Because it sounded like that was Miyo.

>>6738046
YAY BATTLER WENT INSAN-

WAIT

That's terrible.

Didn't /jp/ used to hate Jessica? Why the sudden change of heart?

So Kyrie and Rudolf loaded the gold all by themselves...on a WW2 submarine...that they probably didn't even know how to drive.

okay then

>>6738061
They really, REALLY wanted her to be useful and interesting.

>>6738061
She's a good person.
That's why. She's a good person, who didn't deserve to be murdered like an animal.

>>6738061

Ah, Jessitrice. I hated it at the time. I almost think I could deal with it now.

You are now realizing none of this EP was truth and its actually Featherline carving for Batora's 42 year old cock in her dreams.

>>6738061
She's a bro. Really, she was a well meaning person.

>>6738034
I can't be the only one who feels bad for Jerid.

>>6738061
I used to dislike her too, but episode 6 and 7 made me realize that she's a beacon of sanity in a batshit world.

And all she wanted to do was get the fuck out of dodge...

>>6738046
Ah... I see, that makes sort of sense.

>>6738071

No, like most moonfags they had delusions that she'd be something other than boring.

>>6738096
Can't speak for them, but I admire her because she's a moralfag.

>>6738061
Because she was just as useful to the plot as Gohda but had an awful lot of screentime so people thought she was shady and had to be a culprit or at least hiding something, so it turned out that she was just a nice girl who loved her family and friends and died a bitch's death for no reason, and her love interest was never really explained or even confirmed since we still don't know if Kanon was reverse trap Shannon, an all out lesbian crush or anything at all

>>6738089
That's funny because EP4, 6, and 7 made me realize Jessica is one of the most batshit insane people on Rokkenjima.

>>6738113
Truth hurts, don't it?

Ryukishi, you bastard, just let me live in my delusions like Maria, I don't give a shit.

>>6738114
Ryukishi's plot holes shouldn't be taken out on the poor girl.

>>6738101

I don't dislike her as much as I did before. She was rather pointless and just someone who had great potential to be interesting but nothing ever happened much with her. Though she, Eva, Hideyoshi, Maria and Rosa deserved good endings

Here's a good ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEvUbyO1lIw

>>6738023
THIS MAKE MORE SENSE THAN ANYTHING

So we got a cliche "everybody turned on Bern" battle with good guys winning.

AuAu being godmode hax bitch.

Leon and Will surviving.

Amnesiac Battler with imaginary friends.

A shitton of unexplained plot points and side stories.

It's like everything I feared the worst came true. Even that lesbian threesome thing in Tea Party can't redeem such a retarded ending.

>>6738023
Oh god.

Yandere Battler is happening all over again...

>>6738135

are battler's hands always like that

>>6738023
Fuck it, we need a drawfag to get on this.

IT'S DREAM CRUSHING TIME!

I wish Gohda and Jessica had good endings, not Maria though, that batshit delusional girl was doomed from the start, she would probably be lured by a rapist with candy promising magic trips the very moment she stepped on dry land if she managed to escape the island

>>6738023
Anon, you have successfully managed to make a BAD END even worse.

>>6738161

It's not really her fault, though.

>>6737654
>George without love

Aren't you forgetting the chance he might have swiped battlers letter to shannon and hence contributed to Yasu's continual breakdown? His partial confession about being jealous sounded like there was alot more to it.

>>6738135
Sen-ka definitely will love this.

>>6737873
Did she have a gun when she fought Rudolf and Kyrie?

>>6738023
saving this and will post it in every thread to ruin every anon delusions

>>6738185
She probably killed them by swinging gold ingots around. Fuck yeah, Rosa.

>>6737937

Right, this is people believing spoilers without context all over again. I swear that people will actually believe that "It was all a dream" just like people thought that it Deen's "brain parasites" were real.

So what was the point of Asumu not being Battlers mother?

>>6738188
I don't know what's worse.

The fact that the pasta is so depressing, or that it actually makes total fucking sense.

I must admit, though, if Umineko never existed, we would probably never have little gems like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4NpiNZ2GtE

>>6738219
if you accept the amnesiac author Battler end then this is the truth.

>>6738209
I'm not too familiar with the Higurashi sound novels. What was it then, instead of Hinamizawa Syndrome?

>>6738218

Trolling

>>6738230
I'm ultimately pretty much okay with it.

>>6738200
It makes me wonder how things could've gone if Rosa was one of the adults that helped out the main characters in Higurashi.

you will never know how asumu really looked like

>>6738238
Akasaka would've been all pumped to arrive just in the nick of time to save Rika, only to discover Rosa had already wrecked the Yamainu's shit.

>>6738229
...I am now hard.

Does this mean Rika threads are even more pointless?

make a new thread, guys!

>>6738275
The discussion has been dying down, I guess we didn't see the need for a new thread right away.

>>6738270
You waifu is now even more fictional than before. Deal with it.

laughingseagulls.jpg

>>6738266
I don't really get it.

>>6737661
WTF? Is that old fucker battler in episode 8?

>>6738338
nope.the old battler is the young kinzo

To me what really ruined it knowing that most of the backstories we had lost all credibility due to it being only amnesiac Battler making up stuff, now it's just hard to care about murders inside a fiction inside a fiction inside a fiction

>>6738310
Dunno man, something about Yu Kobayashi laughing uncontrollably like that...hnnnghh...

>>6738310
Someone's bound to be aroused by the sound of Jessica tickling Kanon relentlessly.

>>6738343
He's not even really that "old" per se. Definitely oldER.

>>6738343
What is with the outfits similarity to Juuza's?

WTC5 will deal with all fiction actually existing in another universe, and the actual definition of imagination is just a psychic link to different kakeras, therefore validating the previous series.

iwanttobelieve.jpg

>>6738376
IT'S FAN ART.

Battler's "old" sprite looks just like normal Battler except he's wearing a black suit, a white collared shirt, and has short white hair.

>>6738400
Weird fan art. Definitely weird choices.

So, Battler ended up with white hair by his late 30s/early 40s? Poor dude.

THIS is the real "old Battler" image.

So many people believing in delusions.

Ryukishi succeeded in converting everyone to fantasy by the end.

Thankfully

Thankfully I've been in the "camp" of "Umineko is a shitty series" from the start.

I motherfuckin' told ya so.

Why are people still going apeshit for things they do not understand at all?

-First and foremost, there is no submarine escape whatsoever. There were only 2 survivors: Eva and Battler.
Battler survived as he was in the underground towards the submarine dock. There was a boat there.

-There is no "imaginary friend" stuff. The portion with Toya and Ange didn't deny the metaworld at all.
In fact, it nearly confirmed it when you got that last scene with Toya.