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yes, no, no, no, lambda is a cake.

yes no no no

I feel sorry for you if you think those questions were answered.

>especially why 1986 was a "cursed" year for her

Isn't that already obvious?

If Battler arrived year earlier when she wasn't so so in love with George everything would be fine.

If he arrived year later she would be married to George.

>>6732996
>Are you *absolutely* certain there is only one answer for the "select a culprit" thing?
100%, looked in the script

>Are we ever given a motive more than pure evil and greed for Kyrie and Rudolf's behaviour?
Not really

>Other than that one scene with Bern, is any light at all shed on Shkanon (if not, who the hell are the 16 people on the island), Yasu's motivation (especially why 1986 was a "cursed" year for her), and Yasu's wound?
No

>This doesn't matter to me as much, but was light shed on Kinzo's true past, Genji's past, or Kuwasama's past?
No

>>6733021
Believe me, I feel sorry for myself, too.

By the way, my I just saw a "Mcless Answer" captcha.

>>6733025

Not obvious. For example, why is murdering an entire family related to this? Unless you think she's just irrational, which is a crappy answer.

>>6733037

She's in love with 3 people, so she sets up a test of love.

Not like it matters, Kyrie and Rudolf kill everybody anyways.

>>6733052

Oh IC, so she wasn't gonna kill anyone then? Those first two EPs are yet more retarded trolls?

>>6733063
So she was going to kill if the roulette went that way

>>6733028
>This doesn't matter to me as much, but was light shed on Kinzo's true past, Genji's past, or Kuwasama's past?
>No
Yes, it's short, but they talk about the relationship between Kinzo and Genji after his quiz

she was gonna kill at randomz and marry the guy who survived.

>>6733063
Whole Umineko is just Battler with amnesia writing down what he remembers with help of his wife, using pen name Hachijo Touya, so it doesn't really matter.

I've just scrolled until the end of the main part, apparently the spoiler about the"bad" ending being Ange's suicide was incorrect. If you choose "trick", there's a scene with Ange and Amakusa on the boat heading to Rokkenjima, then there are several shots, we see blood, then the boat captain disappears, suddenly Erika appears out of fucking nowhere and talks to Ange, and then we see the standard credits roll with the very firt opening playing in the background. The tea party doesn't open after that.
Now I'm going to actually read it, probably it'll take a while because I read Japanese slower than English, and this episode is like twice as long as episode 7.

>Yes, it's short, but they talk about the relationship between Kinzo and Genji after his quiz

so were they lovers?

>>6733079
PLEASE DO THAT.AND TELL US WHAT IS REAL AND WHAT IS NOT

>>6733052

>She's in love with 3 people

Who's the third one?

I shall use this thread as "ask those who have read Ep8 anything".
As I got it, there's Battler's bullshit Rokkenjima with happy Kinzo, loli Ange and separate Shannon and Kanon. Then there's "real" end with Kyrie, Rudolf and nice boat jumping. So, does the nice boat jumping occur in the Tea Party or as a part of the episode after you answer Bern?
And about Yasu. She kills herself, so did she instigate the situation again like in Ep7 or something else? Is it shown?

>>6733092
nothing is real

all a delusian
amnesian battleran

>>6733104
>So, does the nice boat jumping occur in the Tea Party or as a part of the episode after you answer Bern?
It's after you choose "magic". There're some scenes before that, and boat jumping is the end of the main episode. The tea party is about Erika, Berrn and Lambda having fun and hot lesbian sex with Kururi playing in the background. The ???? is about old Battler.

>>6733111
We all got BATTLER'D

How long is EP8 compared to previous ones?

So, Rosa was pretty badass, apparently.

And Eva and Ange had a happy life, because unlike Battler and his parents, they weren't awful human beings.

http://meotwister5.wordpress.com/summaries-of-twilight-of-the-golden-witch/

>>6733155
Battler wasn't eiter, he just chose not to die.
And in the end he tried to kiill himself to atone for it.

Unless I missed something major, all that stuff about "Battler was asked to kill Shannon, Rosa killed Rudolf and Kyrie in reality" and such was BS. All you see is Battler and Beatrice escaping in the boat before Beato jumps, and their interactions there are kind of weird. In the sense that it really seems more like their meta versions talking than anything.

Damn, if anything, she makes a great fightan game character

Battler, Kyrie, Rudolf are the most rotten tomatoes.
The only good thing in this life for Battler was Asumu - she is the only one who could make a human out of Battler, but without her - without love ...

So, basically, everything Bern said about the Ushiromiyas being fucked up assholes was completely true.

Why do we hate Bern again?

>>6733199
Bern was right.
I like her attitude.

I like how a large part of EP7 was spent on Will and Battler complaining about mysteries ignoring the "whydunnit" when we were never really given a clear motive for Kyrie and Rudolf to commit the murders either. R07 is a hack.

>>6733216
motive is GOLD

>>6733216
10t of gold and the inheritance to pay off your debts, reason they were under suspicion after the incident, before it all switched to Eva.

>>6733199
Eva, Gohda, Jessica, George, Hideyoshi, Krauss, hell everyone besides Yasu, Rudolf, and Kyrie weren't that bad.

Fucking Biasler showing his bias.

>>6733216
Our seemingly "epic" and "deep" goal is lol gold.

>>6733199

I suppose so. They were all worthless. I'm trying to figure out why we should care about them in the first place. I guess I was holding out hope they would all be redeemed and become better people.

Rei will reveal that AuAu, Bern and Lambda are all true witches and helped Battler remember.

And that kakeras exist in Umineko as well, making all episodes so far true.

Glenn Beck knew about Rokkenjima

>>6733079
Yeah, it's not a bad ending, it just doesn't open the tea party because lol.
How can you judge something just by pictures, for fucks' sake? If Ange appearing after she jumped off the building was all it took, you should think twice before saying something that will be eaten up by the retards here.

>>6733241
WAIT, SO KYRIE, WHO KILLED TONS OF INNOCENTS WHILE LAUGHING, IS A BAD GUY!??!?!?!

I THOUGHT SHE WAS MOTIVATED BY HER TRAGIC FLAW OF NEVER GETTING TO FEEL LIKE A WOMAN, AS OPPOSED TO HER RAMPANT GREED AND BLOODLUST...

Eva and Hideyoshi were good people. Too bad they were parents to George, their only fault.

>>6733257
Well yes you fucking imbecile. Ryuk went on about how without love it can't be seen, how this is a Whydunnit and all that shit for 7 freaking episodes. We at least deserve a motive better than fucking lol goldfever.

meta characters >>>>>>>>>>>>> shit > rl characters

And don't worry guys, Bern and Lambda must be real. Rei will prove that.

>>6733262
And you're an idiot for buying into his bullshit.

Kyrie killed a kid, shot an innocent man, and beat an innocent woman to death while laughing.

No motive can even SLIGHTLY justify that.

>>6733256

Extra episode will be Tea Party and ???? of Ange end.

Calling it now.

>>6733271
Except we couldn't be sure of that until EP8 confirmed it. And don't give me that shit Bern "this is all truth" excuse, it could be interpreted in a bajillion ways.

>>6733275

No more Ange. That whole part of the family can fuck right off.

"All will be fine with Umineko Rei." is the new "All will be explained in episode 8"
I'm laughing my ass silly here.

It was shown how Rudolf and Kyrie are in deepest shit out of all the siblings, and how Kyrie is a total bitch.

It was all foreshadowed.

>>6733234
Eva rocked, and survived. Bern never said anything bad about her. How should she, Eva is the goddamn BATMAN.

Obvious anti-Bern biasler showing his bias.

>>6733284

lol foreshadowed

the moonspeak equivalent of which doesn't exist in R07's vocabulary

So, is this shit canon?

So long as Ange and Eva got a good end, I'm happy.

>>6733283
Great job on translating this

this is new EP8 general?

guys. what if we first choose "Magic" and then "Trick" ? maybe the Tea Parties only unlock after seeing both endings?

Any idea what this is about? I'm reading bitter almonds can be poisonous, is this a hint to what Eva used?

how much life threats do we need to send to this guy so he will fix this mess in rei?

>>6733410

Worry not. Elevens will do that for us.

So anyways, how did Will and Lion survive Berncalypse in EP7?

>10点 うみねこのなく頃に散 Episode8 Twilight of the golden witch(非18禁) (07th Expansion(同人))
>今までの中でもTOPクラスに作者のオナニー度が高く、相当の信者力を試
される。
オナニー度が高い is my new favorite expression to describe R07's writing

>>6733429
Lambda made them her pieces and is free to summon them.
They accept it.

>>6733429
many threads ago someone said Lambda rescued them

>>6733432
You obviously haven't read subarashiki hibi.
Now that's an author that got lost in himself.

>>6733429
Who cares? They didn't exist.

>>6733438
At least Sca-ji knows how to write though

Lambda is the only true bro.

>>6733441
That's true, but he probably masturbates to Wittgenstein.
And he didn't understand DID either

>>6733446
He didn't try to pass Subahibi for a solvable mystery
And it's hinted that it's not DID but supernatural possession

Moral of the story?

Rosa is fucking badass, and will end all evil-doers.

>>6733432
translation?

>>6733452
I know that, but he stilln intended to pass for a good chunk of the game that it was DID because of how the 'personalities' describe themselves, the arbitrator (Yuki), the destroyer (Tomosane)
Imagining the sex scene between Yuki and Tomosane as it really was it's kind of funny if you ask me.

Ryuukishi needs the second writer to keep him in check. Maybe BT was doing something like that originally. But Ryu has some good ideas and characters, there's a reason why people grew to love them. Umineko has some awesome scenes, dramatic, bawww worthy, thrilling ones. But he's absolutely fucking horrible at getting it all together.
That said, I can't take this ending seriously. Either all the characters' backstories we know are fake and Battler made them up, or things just don't make sense. So okay Ryu, you win, I shall now keep the catbox closed and enjoy Ushiromiya's wacky deaths forever while drinking tea with Voyager witches.

>>6733440
yeah right? the only thing we should care about is old fag Battler, lets look at white fag Battler in silence and mourn his amnesia now

> part of your comment isn't allowed to be posted :(

what the shit?

Just wondering: Are Will and Lion still in it?

The ending sucks.

It really ruins the entire series.

This episode SHOULD have been a look at the various characters and resolved their deaths in some way, but instead we get the most cliched of excuses for the plot.

Really, this sounds pretentious as fuck, but we were too smart for this series.

>>6733474
They will keep having delicious homolust for eternity inside Battler's mind.
I'm okay with this.

So what does the slice of cake choice do?

>>6733481
Nothing, you and Eva find the almond and proceed to solve the quizes.
Getting the coins probably leads to the characters' thoughts for the future Ange.

>>6733478
FUCK YES!
Wait wha- In Battler's mind?
...
LOL didn't know Battler liked gay couples

meh...there should be some drama like returning all the copies of Umineko to retailers or something now..

Would anyone care to post the old Battler sprite?

>>6733488
the few people who finished playing it are giving low score on the sites I'm usually checking. Most will get around to finish it in a day or two, I guess, and plenty others still have to buy it.
And it's doujinsoft, you won't see retarded shit like that happening.

Umineko Rei will tell us that Bern had put Battler in limbo with AuAu's cooperation. Meanwhile she's doing this.

>>6733488
Why?

>>6733499
maybe...but shops still sell it...sites like amiami, melonbooks
they could send it directly to Ryuukishi too, would be more awesome and drama
i would participate in that

>>6733507
to show him we are mad so he will never did something like that again, duh

>>6733503
THANK YOU DOUJINKA! (And anon)

what Umineko Tsubasa is about actually?

>mfw Umineko Rei is The Adventures of Sakutaro: The Game

So even if you get all of the answer correct and choose the trick path you still get a crappy ending where Ange commits suicide?
Wow.
Way to go Ryukishi, you fucker.

Kinda sucks when the main thing most people are still reading on for is to see the promised answer that is supposed to wrap everything up and make all the confusion suddenly make sense, and they can't even pull that off.

I hope that with this, we can just let it all rest and never trust Ryukishi07 again.

>>6733558
The only ones who kept crying about how there was surely a better ending or four endings were the delusional fags to begin with.
I'm surprised it took you this much to realize that.

>>6733558
i wouldnt call it crappy in comparision to the other one

>>6733561
more like it would be logical so it was hard to believe its not true faggot

>>6733561

no one was giving firm details on what the coins did / how picking the culprit at the Bern screen worked. It seems like they were both just mechanics without a use, so thinking that they tied into a third ending wasn't so far fretched

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sKv0LqgoXU&feature=related
old good times ;___________;

I swear to god, I am deleting every single piece of Battler fanart I have and censoring his face on the album covers with him on them.
This is how I will drown my rage and sorrows out.

How can ask questions about something that never existed?

>mfw 99% of the ragers cannot into japanese, don't even know what really happened in EP8 and just mindlessly spam shit "for teh LULZ XXDDDDD"

>>6733658

What are you talking about? The ragers never existed. It was all just a delusion in some faggot's mind.

Why the fuck do you guys care so much about Umineko?
Even the japaneses don't care so much about it.

>>6733648
NOOOO WAIT WAIT UPLOAD THEM FIRST AT LEAST

>>6733681

What are you talking about? There's no such thing as caring. It was all just a delusion by some delusion old man.

>>6733681
Probably because most of the fandom is made of fujoshi/fangirls.
They are probably afraid to play eroge which constitute most of the media because PORN so they are stuck with shits like Umineko.
Poor whales.

>>6733681
beats me. why people who didn't spend single cent on Umineko rage harder than people who did?

>>6733683
there is no caring? i thought the lack of caring was just an illusion of some old amnesiac faggot

>>6733692

What are you talking about? There's no such thing as fangirls. That was just a delusion made up by some lonely neckbeard who's angry over the fact that the girl he's stalking finds him creepy as fuck like the faggot he is.

>>6733681
They care so little about it 2ch threads about it are past the thousandth iteration.

>>6733694
im not japanese so i didnt spend a single yen on Umineko?
fuck you

>>6733701
After 4 years, for a mystery that need to be solved and for the sequel of an extraordinary popular game.

>>6733702
wait....YOU BUY UMINEKO?LIKE SERIOUSLY????AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THATS WHAT YOU GET FOR BEING A BUYFAG

Hey here's an idea.

Read the fucking novel, then complain, the NEETs on 2chan's opinion aren't yours, they're as butthurt as some around here because they didn't get the ending THEY wanted, if you want to rage-delete everything Umineko related then fine, too fucking bad you whiny schmuck, wait for the damn translation.

Beatrice talking to Natsuhi, who is crying because she knows it's her fault for rejecting her
>I hated you. I super hated you. I hated you so much as to use your dakimakura as a sandbag.
Then they hug each other because in Battler's game everything is super duper funny and everyone goes along fine.

The community for Umineko is the pits. How can you people even endure mingling with one another?

so is this series not worth my time? i skipped all the spoiler threads and am reading ep7, should i just stop reading it?

>>6733733
Yes.

Go ahead, leave over 120 hours of reading wasted just because of 10 mins of dialogue in the last chapter.

>>6733733
EP7 is good, keep reading it. Don't read EP8.

How the hell does it work?
First, a roasted chestnut flows by
Next day, a citrus
Then cucumber
Then soybeans
Then okra
Then persimmon

"What flows by on the next day?"
wtf, really?

>>6733761
Does solving these puzzles change anything in the game? So far everyone has been saying that it doesn't make any difference.

Why did this series fail so much?, I think i know why, its because there is no love, higurashi everything felt better. you actually got to know the characters and their story, in umineko there was no character development at all, you don't really know who they are or where they came from. you knew everybody in higurashi and everybody was lovable in there own way. this series fails because its just some roller coaster that r07 keeps on going on. higurashi was awsome because it was something r07 could do, a comedy harem of sexy girls with a horror story. he should of just sticked to what he was good at, I like his horror parts but everything else in umineko is kinda lame.

And Shkanon is touched upon again.
Really, who was saying there weren't explanations in this? Maybe they just took the wrong answers in the quiz so they didn't get the segments with characters talking about the important stuff.

Guys, guys, I really need a screenshot\sprite with Old Battler in it, does anyone have one?

>>6733761
Cabagge floats.

>>6733774
If you get medals between tha Ange and Eva quizzes you get scenes with charatcers talking about important stuff, like Genji and Kinzo's past, how Yasu hated the shit out of Natsuhi for a good while, Shkanon (futures in which they do different things than be servants there can't coexists), etc

>>6733746
The writing is pretttty piss-poor in Umineko, bro. Yes, even by VN standards.
>>6733776
Well, Umineko added a fuckload of meaningless characters for every episode instead of developing its existing ones. Yknow why? Because R07 only knew how to rehash Higurashi's development.

>>6733776
most of the characters had awesome character development
the only undeveloped ones were some adults (rudolf, kyrie hideyoshi, adult servants) and the furniture like siestas and eisernejungfrau

>>6733795
>most of the characters had awesome character development
No they didn't.
They all pretty horrible development though most of the fault come from Ryuukishi's horrible writing.

>>6733792

What small selection of VNs have you read to set that standard?
It has its good parts, and it's at definitely above average overall.

>>6733786
Yeah, got it. Also, good luck translating this puzzle for average I-don't-know-a-bit-of-Japanese Joe, Witch Hunt.

>>6733799
yes it did.
this series was all about the characters

>>6733795
Which is funny, because the culprits are now the characters with the least development. That's the basic obvious one in any mystery. And it's not how you mystery.

>>6733795
But the thing is , that was fucking everybody. if you gonna make 90% adults give them some fucking character development, don't cast them away like nothing. I really wanted to see natshui and krauss love life more it looked funny.

Why are most of you so laughably butthurt? It's obvious, when people are in an irritated state they want to be irritated to feel satisfaction, suddenly after years of threads praising the story you suddenly say that the whole thing was crap and should have never been read? Come on, the hypocrisy couldn't be higher, I bet that if the ending was more ''META WORLD EXISTS BATTLER AND ANGE HAPPILY EVER AFTER'' you'd all be expecting Rei with excitement, not to mention half of your are samefag trolls that just want to diss Umineko for the fuck of it.

>>6733823
um...adults werent 90% of the cast, and Natsuhi, Krauss, Rosa and Eva had a lot of spotlight

>>6733824
> I bet that if the ending was more ''META WORLD EXISTS BATTLER AND ANGE HAPPILY EVER AFTER'' you'd all be expecting Rei with excitement
....yes. and?

>>6733824
I'd guess because Ryukishi forces you to do one of two things with that ending: either accept that everything you read wasn't true (and consider the maturity of the average Umineko reader who's in for trolling witches and killings), be in denial about the truth like the worst shipper faggot.
Average Umineko fans are spoiled children who wouldn't get an overall message if it hit them in the face. Nothing new.

>>6733833
yeah and you still knew nothing about them, when you feel like you know who they are and you could put yourself into their shoes than thats good character development. they had spotlight but nothing brought them out as characters. I could say even battler needs more of it.

>>6733846
>who wouldn't get an overall message

Explain further.
So far I've gotten "If you delude yourself for long enough, you might get lucky" on Ange's side and durrrrr on Battler's side

>>6733812
It's a question of execution, not focus.
The development was horrible even if lot of time was spent on it simply because Ryuukishi just isn't a good writer

>>6733846
i'm immature because i dont like fiction within fiction?

>>6733854
Jessica had that.
Eva absolutely had that.
Rosa pretty much had that except nobody would even want to understand. Sucks to be her.
Natsuhi had that, but you don't want to insert yourself into that much of a delusional person.

>>6733862
to each one their own or something, i think a lot of characters came out really awesome and unique, like Maria, Rosa, Eva, Bern, Erika, Lambda, normal Beato, Will, Dlanor and so on, no point in arguing

>>6733875
Jessica? NATSUHI?
WHAT are you calling character developement?
3 sentences?

Dude, you hater, if you don't like Umineko, then GTFO.
Seriously the shit you produce equals to Ishihara. You're just jealous because Ryukishi gets money for his trolling and you don't get money for your bullcrap :P

Also, don't call people stupid because they buy stuff, at least they're not stealing

You fail at trolling.

>>6733887
man..come the heck on, jessica had a lot of focus in episode 2 and episode 6 and pieces of it scatterred across other episodes. Natsuhi was the focus of ep5..

It's like Ryukushi really wrote it as he went. With popularity polls deciding who will get spotlight and all.

It's like he wrote the epitaph when he was high and then accepted anything the fans gave him that made borderline sense

>>6733887
Uh, Jessica is one of the characters that got the most spotlight in the series. She got spotlight in all episodes, especially episode 2 and 6.

And what about Hideyoshi, for example? We don't know anything about the guy, except that he's fat and that he likes samurai novels.
Same with Genji, why the fuck is he so loyal to Kinzo? It's almost like they're lovers. And I won't even mention Gohda because everyone seems to forget about him.

>>6733918
he most likely did and you could tell. the higurashi story had his feeling in it and had a soul. you even talked about things after each story, do you see that in Umineko? I don't hate Umineko but it doesn't impress me as much as higurashi did.

>>6733923
>>6733898
This is different from character developement.

For natsuhi, okay, and even here, not really, it was more about Lion's backstory than her. Granted, there was a part of her past, yes. But calling this an awesome character developement is just too much. (Almost) everything in ep5 was about ONE thing. Two, if you count Kinzo.

>>6733931
Oh yeah even worse, WHAT ABOUT FUCKING NANJO. DID EVERYBODY FORGET HIM TOO? HE GOT FUCKING 3 SCENES OUT OF 7 NOVELS. WHY EVEN ADD HIM.

So was there anything more about anges adventure? remmber the whole thing with the sliver haired guy(forgot name) and all those other guys? like the people he was working for? didnt he have to kill ange or something? also what about kyires sister? wtf man so many plot holes.

One thing I do regret is not knowing Genji's past, other than he's an awesome ninja and was hired by Kinzo around the time he bought Rokkenjima and has been there ever since.

Hideyoshi's past was kind of explained in every noisy adults' meeting. He was owner of a restaurant brand (?), had financial issues because of someone blackmailing him and some other crap I can't remember.

>>6733887
Episode 5, (and parts of episode 1) was pretty much all Natsuhi.

>>6733938
no there was a lot of things, how was her life after marriage with krauss, how hard it was because she was made fun of in the family, how she seeked an acceptance from kinzo etc, i dont know i dont feel like arguing now, im in grief

>>6733942
His purpouse
>I can tell if people are dead or not
Even the nanjo bribe theory is useless.

>>6733942
Read EP7 on Kinzo's past, he's just an assistant doctor character so there's no need to feature a whole episode just for him, christ.

so did ep8 show asumu at all? I thought there would be something more DEEP with all that.

>>6733957
There were lots of scenes from 1998 in episode 8, apparently it was explained. People are just mad because of the ???? part.

>>6733980
>People are just mad because of the ???? part.

and ive always liked this part of the game the best
you know, it was supposed to be "tea party of those that are not human..."

>>6733976
Nope.
asumu's baby died, Rudolf was about to marry her, he exchanged babies.
And the part everyone knew about why rudolf was to be killed in ep1 is true, he wa going to tell Kyrie and battler about it.

>>6733824

Retard.

lets make a group and hunt ryukishi like a witch he is

wait so is r07 done, is he taking a long break before he starts rei? or is he going to get right on it? Did he mention his plans for the future at all?

>>6733997
Maybe he'll focus on revamping Lucia's route from Rewrite?
(who am i kidding, it'll be the low point of the game, Mai route, but worse)

>>6733938
Okay, for Jessica we have.
1. She keeps liking Kanon even after he rejected her and still tries, so we're shown she's someone who doesn't give up.
2. She chooses to sacrifice herself over her family and friends and boyfriend, which means she's not a bad person. And because she fought against that later doesn't mean she's a bad person btw, just she wanted to save herself along with others.Which anyone would do.
3. She's a tough fighter, shown in ep 4 and even without the fact we weren't shown the scene between her and Kyrie in ep7, the fact that she was able to dodge and fight back at Kyrie for a while when her nose touched the tip of the gun's barrel is pretty badass.
4. We got ep7 backstory on her "asthma" and the whole VIP room shit.
5. We were shown she's one of the people that's most against committing murder.
6. We know the type of person Jessica is in both personality and traits.
7. Plenty of scenes with her throughout the whole series. Also the fact that in most games, she survives up until the last twilight, so more time for scenes with her in them.

For Natsuhi:
1. The circumstances between her and Krauss and them getting married.
2. Whole cliff thing, we see her emotions in ep 5 about the incident and her stress.
3. We're shown she's a mother willing to do anything for her family.
4. Would shame herself over protecting her family's honor.
5. How she was humiliated by Eva in the past.
6. How she was infertile and how much it stressed her until she was finally able to get pregnant with Jessica.
7.How she seeked acceptance from Kinzo.

What more do you want? Eva and Rosa also got plenty of spotlight. Doesn't mean you have to sympathize with characters, but a lot of characters got plenty of development. It's up to you whether you want to sympathize or not with the characters, but the development is there.

>>6734007
hopefully he will do somebody like mion/shion with yandere. that would make me happy.

>people hating on this episode when they haven't played it at all, calling it the worst ever

I know this always happens with new episodes, but really people, at least acknowledge that spoilers are not an accurate representation of the game. I'm reading through it right now and honestly it's not that bad. I think I'm about half-way through, so far my tier list is ranking:

7>3=5>8=4=1>2=6

So chill the fuck out. I can't promise I'll like the ending or anything, but so far it's just fine.

>>6734008
do you even know what development mean?
again, that's not development.

>>6734025
But then there is spoilers and spoilers.

>>6734031
Not the guy you're replying to, but what's character development for you?

>>6734008
those scenes are more like plot, not character development.

>>6734025
no shit sherlock, the only thing people are mad about is the ending, no one actually bitches about the rest of the episode
too bad the ending manages to discard everything else

It's never explicitly said that the meta world doesn't exist, you could assume that it's in Battler's head but as in everything Umineko doesn't take shit as fact unless it's explicitly said so, not assumed. 2chan isn't angry because of the lack of meta, it's because of the cliche-ish ending.

Also for fuck's sake, stop saying this is the end of it all, there's still Rei which R07 said would be a clarifying aftermath.

Lol butthurt whiners who can't read japanese and flip out over every single thing they fail to understand and misintrepete completely.

Example: Cake. No, Lambda isn't "really a cake". A lot of teethgnashing in this thread is over things that didn't happen the way people think they did. Ep5-7 ALL over again. You kids never learn.

Awesome for people like me. I get an awesome VN (better than most of the other VN shit, key included) AND I see you guys flipping out utterly for no reason.

Win/win. I'm almost out of popcorn.

So what's wrong about EP8?

- We didn't get an answer about Yasu's motive and wound (don't give me that love choice shit, you don't kill a family because you can't decide who you like)
- Shkanon wasn't confirmed, let alone a specific variant of it.
- Extremely retarded motive after all that "without love it cannot be seen" and "whydunnit" bullshit (lol goldfever).
- Retarded culprit choice. It could've been any one adult and nobody would bat an eyelash.
- Everything we've read the past 7 episodes was pretty much a red herring. There was barely any message behind the stories. It's just some shit crackpot Battler wroth.
- Retarded magic vs trick choice. If you're going to add choices, at justify them.

What's right about EP8:
- Professor Layton

>>6734042
Go on wikipedia or search a dictionnary.
>>6734044
got it.

>>6734031
>>6734008
I think by the nature of Umineko character development is impossible for the pieces. Can the characters be fleshed out and feel 3 dimensional? Sure, but within the span of two repeating days they can't really develop all that much.

The main meta characters on the other hand have plenty of development. Especially Battler, who goes from being a loud raging and crying asshole to a tsundere to a depressed faggot and then finally to a more confident depressed faggot.

Of course, it's debatable at the moment if the end of EP8 completely destroys all of this because of fiction within fiction.

>>6734051
>better than most of the other VN shit, key included
nope and
>key inlcuded
keep dreaming.
Compared to Ryu, Maeda is Tanaka Romeo.

>>6734052
>Everything we've read the past 7 episodes was pretty much a red herring. There was barely any message behind the stories. It's just some shit crackpot Battler wroth.

I usually don't say this, but you don't understand Umineko. At all.

Jesus, well, then call it a game with shitty character development, but I still love my Jessica and Natsuhi and Eva as if they were characters that got the best development ever.

Can someone who played it give me a 25%, 50%, 75% indication scenes so I know when I pass that mark? In spoilers, if you don't mind.

>those scenes are more like plot, not character development.

Yes. They still show fleshed out three dimensional characters. You can argue about semantics as much as you want, that fact stands.

You can really see how much Ryuukishi fails compared to good writer when you compare the Lucia scenes in Rewrite to the Akane or Kotori scenes.

From his latest post it seems like he will do a pause before writing his next series, hopefully he will try to work on his writing skills.
Heck he is working alongside Romeo, he could learn a thing or two.

>>6734061
Not this anon, but it is.
Well, not exactly, but the fact is that there is 95% of red herrings, and ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to know what is not a red herring.

>>6734061

lol, because surely you, dear anon, are the high arbiter of umineko and can tell us what it's all about.

>keep dreaming.

Don't need to dream. Key shit is boring for people who can't handle characters with edges and who can only wank over dwaaaaaaaaamaaaaaaaa. I take a story half as good as Umineko over key garbage.

And thats fact. The quality of umineko is beyond doubt: The massive fandom that spent years working over it proves this to be true beyond any deniable doubt. You can rage, you can fume, but nothing of that changes anything.

Don't like the ending? Tough shit.

>>6734064
There are 17 chapters. Layton starts in chapter 5. Bern's challenge to select the culprit is chapter 10.

>that there is 95% of red herrings

The point -> .

o <- your head. No, 95% of Umineko isn't a red herring. Not even 50% is.

>>6734081
Popularity =/= quality.
But if you want to argue with this point let me remind you that Umineko has a 76 average in egs (mediocre), the PS3 game sold 15000 making a sequel very unlikely (White Album sold twice in the same period if you want to compare) and it's overall not popular except in some fujoshi circle.

>>6734075
>red herring

You keep using that phrase, but I don't think you what it means.

>>6734084
Go on. list now what is NOT a red herring and is REALLY important for the motive, etc.

My moon isn't all that great, and I've had to guess at a lot of what is being said, but so far, I have really enjoyed EP 8. I can even get behind the downer ending a little bit.

I mean, Battler spent almost all of the first few games completely denying magic and the meta-reality, and after finally doing that in its entirety, he is left with the sad horrendous truth of the events that took place. The guy has post-traumatic stress disorder, In order for Battler to be able to move on with his life, he has to accept that magic and witches and illusions had nothing to do with the murders so that he can finally come to grips with the evil that both he and his parents perpetrated. This doesn't mean that the meta-characters don't exist, its just means that they don't exist to Battler, because if they did he'd still be trapped on that island reliving the same days over and over.

I would have preferred a little bit more ambiguity, and I'm still pretty sketchy on how all of the themes match up to the ending, but I'm not too deep into the story yet, so I can't say for sure.

>>6734081
>The massive fandom that spent years working over it proves this to be true beyond any deniable doubt
You know Key fanbase>umineko fanbase BY FAR right?
That like you say 'proves teh undeniable quality of KEY works'
>characters with edges
5, in a big ass cast. I take what starts as a normal moege/nakige and expands further creating really nice stories with great climaxes, especially during the true routes.
Umineko wanted to pass as some pseudo intellectual bullshit taht took a big dip in quality and kept degradating and degradating and then what should have been teh climax was horribly disappointing.
Maeda>Ryukishi, especially in teir other jobs, he's an excellent composer.

>>6734097
>Umineko wanted to pass as some pseudo intellectual bullshit
forgot
>ripping off previous and better works

Ahah, this is Featherine all over again, R07 keeps looking down on his readers.

>Nanjo: There are mutiple masterpieces that deny Van Dine's 20 rules, aren't there?
>Will: I won't deny it. Mystery is after all, amusement. The one who has fun wins.

>>6734090

Maybe because it's not a phrase, dumbfuck.

who gives a fuck anymore, lets just read for reading. hopefully i wont be as mad as much as i was with JK and harry potters ending. you have no clue how mad i was.

Just a quick question; was it explained why Rudolf switched the babies? Did he actually love Asumu but was afraid of Kyrie and like the coward he was, he couldn't dump her?

The hypocrisy here is huge, you all spent years wondering about the next chapter and praising R07's works, and now suddenly for a 5 min ending you all say that everything was absolute crap? Typical butthurts. Read the novel first, complain at the ending if you still don't like it, don't diss the rest.

The ending was basically a mix of Forest and Kusarihime ending.
Without the awesome storytelling.

well for me character development is when you get to know characters, their traits, how they behave in specific situations, what are their oppinions, small things they do, etc
of course the name "character DEVELOPMENT" should mean how the character changes over some time, but generally when people use that term they mean also characterization, no need to argue over pointless things like that

>>6734109
I've been calling Umineko shit since episode 4, tough luck.

>this entire thread

>>6734108
this please explain, who did he really love. Is he just so sacred of a yandere that he stayed with her?

>>6734109
You don't get what a mystery novel, right?
Damn, even ep5 is saying it.

>>6734108
He was married to Asumu, Kyrie was an affair. The proper baby dying and the extramarital one surviving was an horrible situation, so he did what would have produced the best outcome for him.
These are pretty much his words.

>>6734109

In other words,
Don't tell us what you think until you like it.
Well said anon.

>this thread
You just don't have enough love, praised be Ryuukishi

>>6734136
most relevant image. fuck.
you fags realized it by episode 2, but i was all believe it until ep8 made me sadfrog

FML

I am willing to give Ryukishi one more chance with Rei.

I am not expecting much, though.

>>6734053
>The change in characterization of a dynamic character, who changes over the course of a narrative.

You're just looking for reasons to complain. If the novels would fulfill this definition, then you'd say that the characters are sketchy and change according to the author's needs, because most of the time, the narrative covers two days.

>>6734110
So I'm not the only one who saw the similarities?
You'd think he'd have at least the decency to change how the story is wrapped.
I'm not going to say this was a waste of time, but I'm disappointed that it's just a rehash to the end.

I just think Umineko lost its meaning and plot after a while, r07 just should of kept battler the main charater and beato should of just been beato, no did no bullshit Shannon/kanon, no bullshit. it was a better story and was more enjoyable just seeing beato troll the fuck out of battler, it could of also lead to more characterization between the two. also what is with this lambda is cake? If it a huge spoiler to the plot don't tell me, she is my favorite character though.

>>6734109
I doubt it is just the final 5 minutes.
But a coput solution that manages to screw the story is not unheard of regardless. The journey may seem the point, but teh destination makes you ask 'Was it really worth it'.

Jesus Christ, this thread is awful.

I'm leaving until the translation comes out. You people disgust me with all your butthurt even though you haven't read shit.

>>6734145
You mean there will be more? What the fuck?

>>6734147
He lost all decency long ago it seems.
And you aren't the only one, there was a big thread in Futaba about it like 10 hours ago, it's just really obvious.

Seriously it must be one of the most obvious rip-off ever.

>this please explain, who did he really love

Both. Look up polyamory.

>>6734152
Apparently.

>>6734150
rejoice! you are a true follower of Ryukishi-sama!

>>6734050
so what, real meta characters entered Battlers stupid fanfiction?

some people here are apparently complete retards.

it is just like >>6734149 said

>>6733892
You sound like you are from animesuki

>>6734149
It's not made clear, all we know is one aspect, and that aspect is not fully explained, just mentioned. Not to mention, BEEP BEEP, REI PEOPLE, WAIT FOR IT.

>>6734167
animesuki-er here, don't put us with him, even we think this episode is shit.

>>6734177
I personally have been mostly disappointed since 5, so I doubt it will fix anything for me. But for people who OOOOONLY have a problem with 1/20th of episode 8, than sure

>>6734126
Wow, Rudolph is a dick. I can see why Battler was so pissed at him he stayed away from home for like 8 years.
Provided him leaving home actually happened wasn't just LOL AMNESIA or something

>>6734189
Except Rudolph didn't tell him, so he couldn't know. He was planning to during the conference. That's what the "I'm going to be killed" was all about.

>>6734178
Don't talk for me. Most of us like it, because we actually understand it, and aren't crying emo tears about spoilers that are fake.

CAKE-LAMBDA FFS. You people are complete autists if you even considered it.

>>6734210
What are you even doing here, sir.

>>6734210
I like how he said "Don't talk for me"

"Most of us like it"

This thread amuses me.

You know, looking at it, i'm kinda starting to dig the solution. It's the fiction theory taken to a kind of dark conclusion. The mysteries, his arguments with Beatrice, everything all leads up to Battler attempting to make sense of what happened. I don't really see it as amnesia as much as repressed memories. "Magic" is shown as a form of embellishment, but the truth of the matter was that Battler was embellishing his past and coloring it with an evil witch, rather than accept the fact that the parents AND HIMSELF AS WELL were responsible for massacreing his entire family.

It's.....actually kind of clever. In the end, it all is a human trick, but at the same time, it's a fantasy. It's both. It actually makes sense considering the nature of the story.

Yet at the same time, I'm kinda pissed that Ryukishi was able to cheap-shot me like that. He's a total bastard, but the ride was worth it, and at least the ending makes sense to me.

To those of you who don't read moon, just wait. You'll baww like little babies once you do. Umineko was an incredible ride, and I don't regret it at all. Not to mention, we got Rei coming soon, which may have some more stuff in it, probably shedding light on some of the real character's pasts, like Yasu's true gender, etc.

>>6734220
Don't you know?
You become edgy when you post on 4chan.

>>6734105
jesus christ, i was pissed of giantly as well

also from Jun Maeda i've only seen Clannad which was good and Angel Beats which could be good but was shit. Gotta watch Kanon and Air someday

this is my kind of thread. Post moar tears. Every tear you spill is delicious

So next Ryuukishi will either be in space or in a intercontinental train

>>6734249
it will be an intergalactic train

i called it

>>6734249
or in a coma

My money is that R07 next project is going to rip off Cannonball

I'm surprised nobody mentioned that there are two commented-out chapter links in the code, and one of them is titled "Solution".

>>6734255
Ripping both Seven Bridges and Cannon Ball at the same time.
GENIUS

Wait, wait guys.
The screenshots 1-5 are official EP 8 screenshots...has anyone seen the Zepar Furfur choice yet? I find it weird that no one has said anything about it yet, even though it's official...?

>>6734247
You made me think "Lambda would cry for the sake of Bern licking her face"
lulz

>>6734269
That's from Tsubasa, isn't it?

>>6734265
Say wha?

>>6734265
Can you post the link to the extracted script?

>>6734265
What?

>>6734275
That's what I thought too...but the Zepar Furfur one shows optional choices, and Tsubasa doesn't have choices. At all.

>>6734273
...I must have a dojin of that now.
Lambern is truly the best thing Umineko delivered.

>commented-out chapter links

What does that even mean?

>>6734279
I don't have such a link, but I can post the text. It's from the chapter listing:

mov $%Free1,":s#C7C7C7#FFFFFF大船団の包囲" : inc %Free1 ;*umi8_16
mov $%Free1,":s#C7C7C7#FFFFFF縁寿の選択" : inc %Free1 ;*umi8_17
; mov $%Free1,":s#C7C7C7#FFFFFFｅｐ８＿１８" : inc %Free1 ;*umi8_18
; mov $%Free1,":s#C7C7C7#FFFFFFｅｐ８＿１９" : inc %Free1 ;*umi8_19
; mov $%Free1,":s#C7C7C7#FFFFFF謎解き" : inc %Free1 ;*umi8_19

Right there at the end.

>>6734287
a whole dojin of Bern licking Lambda's face?

>The definition of "Culprit" is one who murdered.
>There is a possibility that the culprit lied.
>There is also a possibility that the culprit lied before committing the murder.
>The characters that are not the culprit will only speak the truth.
>The characters that are not the culprit will not assist the culprit.
>The culprit commits all the acts of murder by their own hands.
>The culprit will not die.
>The culprit is one of the characters who have appeared so far.
>The Purple Words have the same weigh as the Red Truth. However, only the culprit will lie using the Purple.

>>6734295
I like it

>>6734283
>>6734265
C-could it be?

>>6734294
No, just a page of it, before delicious HLS with Battler watching through the window before walking off in the night all alone, talking to the voices in his head and whining how jealous he is. And then Will and Lion have hot yaoi sex.

>>6734295
Yet Battler is considered a culprit even though he didn't kill anyone

>>6734295
Already posted way back.

>>6734300
If it's true, I'm going to laugh at /jp/ like Bern for hours.

>>6734300
As much i'd like it, i doubt it.

is Tsubasa out, btw? haven't heard anything about it.

Amnesiac Battler is the true end.
It's all in the lyrics.
Face it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUMG3H_yOHg&feature=related

>>6734314
Unfortunately the two chapter labels don't exist in the code anymore, so there's no way to tell if the chapters were just reorganized or if the text was removed. Ryukishi might have chopped them out for Rei or something though.

>>6734300
Oh god bro'...I don't wanna go and gain false hope again just so I can be trolled...again.

>>6734303
I'd buy like 20 copies.

>>6734290
Ryukishi knew people would be so desperate for an alternate ending he weaved the trolling into the code of the game itself.

>>6734265
Yup, it's pretty interesting. My moonspeak is pretty poor but it's basically something about Yasu from Genji's viewpoint. And apparently Kanon was a real person.

>>6734329
What was it he wrote in EP7? "A mystery with the summation chopped out is a fantasy"?

>>6734337
Your piss poor trolling won't get anyone you know.

>>6734337
>And apparently Kanon was a real person.

BEST BE NOT TROLLING

I've had this theory for ages

If it was confirmed true, I'd...I'd...

>>6734342
>>6734348
...

>>6734337
>And apparently Kanon was a real person.
I want to believe. But.

>>6734352
He is just samefagging

>>6734337
That'd mean that the last 20 or so threads of debating Shkannontrice/Kanontrice are garbage.

Yipee.

>And apparently Kanon was a real person.

Too outlandish even for Umineko.

Nice troll, though. You'll fool some people, like you fooled idiots with cake-Lambda.

>>6734348
Dunno if that was a troll, but I'm with you on Kanon being a real person. It wasn't confirmed or denied so no worries sir.

>>6734356
Cake Lambda is real though.
She really does transform into a cake after being killed by Au Au.

But what? We knew that all the meta-characters were based on real life things, what is so outlandish about her being based on a cake?
Look at her character design for fuck sake

If what was said in EP7 is true and if a mystery has no definitive conclusive end then it's a fantasy, it means that either Umineko is a fantasy novel or EP8's ending is shenanigans.

>>6734337
>Yup, it's pretty interesting. My moonspeak is pretty poor but it's basically something about Yasu from Genji's viewpoint. And apparently Kanon was a real person.

You missed the conditional. It's a "what if" he was a real person. Notice how Shannon says that it is impossible for her to do all these things as Kanon in the end.

>>6734337
I heard about the commented out chapters, can anyone confirm this is it though?

>>6734303
hm...this is kinda good idea

>>6734365
No, cake Lambda isn't really a cake. By your logic, Rosa was a butterfly all along, since Eva Beatrice turned her into one for a while.

SPOILER: MAGIC BATTLES INVOLVE MAGIC TRANSFORMATIONS FOR THE LOSER. Who'd have thought! Umineko fans: So retarded, even this obvious embellishment is seen as a SUPERSPECIAL HINT OMG.

>>6734337
>>6734367

>>6734303
I'd buy this.

>>6734371
It's only in the chapter listing, there isn't any text to go with it.

EVA IS BATMAN

ROSA HAS A ROCKETLAUNCHER

>>6734376
Rosa and Eva-Beatrice are based on real person.

Lambdadelta isn't. But she has to be based on something her design, and lot of comments about her point to a cake.

But of course she isn't only that, Battler probably took the character of Takano in the novels of Higurashi he read to create her.
In the same way the siesta both symbolize the guns and Maria's dolls.

>>6734367
I only found one mention of Shannon;

嘉音只是不能和紗音同時登場而已

>>6734393
Knox 5, it is forbidden for the culprit to be a Chinaman.

>Lambdadelta isn't

Yup, she's a voyager witch.

There's actually no hint anywhere for her to actually be cake. The only thing you could do is claim she is, somehow, a box of candy. You'd have a leg to stand on there. Cake? Nope. Cake is a fail theory. Your brain is more likely cake than Lambda.

>>6734391
fuck this..the level of retardity makes me even give up of on commenting this shit

have fun believing lambda is a cake and Higurashi is a fiction inside fiction inside fiction

i won't even tell you to give me any prove of Higurashi being a novel inside Umineko which is not the one and only mention from Battler at the begining of Ep1 3,5 years ago which was used by Ryukishi as an inside joke

fuck this shit

This is why Ryukishi is awesome. He is so good that it is not even possible to know what was serious in his story and what was not.

>>6734417
Inside jokes are SERIOUS FUCKING BUSINESS, you know.

Parts of the umineko fandom are beyond retarded. Even retards would shun them for being too retarded.

>>6734423
This is why Ryukishi is horrible. He is so shitty that it is not even possible to know what was serious in his story and what was not.

Fix`d

>>6734406

I only searched for Shannon's name in the commented out text, I don't know what it means. And also Knox, Dine and rationality don't apply to Umineko as we all know.

>>6734432
It's chinese, idiot.

>it is not even possible to know what was serious in his story and what was not.

It really is possible to know. It's plain obvious. Except to retards.

>>6734430
feel the irony, bro.

>>6734432
. <-- the joke

o <- your head

>>6734300
Oh god...;___;
Godammit...is there any confirmation on either of these two yet? THIS OUR LAST GRAIN OF HOPE GUYS

>>6734417
You just don't understand anything to meta.
Lambda isn't a cake, she is based on one.
She is just a fucking imaginary character.

And yes Higurashi is a fiction within Umineko, it's been refereed as one so much you much completely delusional if you still believe otherwise.

>>6734438
Tell us, master!

>>6734438
So, your undeniable proofs that YOU are right?

>>6734435
Stop being a retard, why would a comment be written in Chinese? And is Shannon's name even written the same way in Chinese?

>>Stop being a retard, why would a comment be written in Chinese? And is Shannon's name even written the same way in Chinese?

Someone should learn some things about kanjis...

>>6734462
Learn how kanji work
Also of course it's chinese, retard

I think it's an excerpt. Means something like "Shannon's only appearance at the same time as Kanon".

>>6734450
>You just don't understand anything to meta.

No, you're just retarded.

>Lambda isn't a cake, she is based on one.

No, that's just your retarded idea.

>She is just a fucking imaginary character.

Every single character in every anime is fictional. GASP.

>And yes Higurashi is a fiction within Umineko, it's been refereed as one so much you much completely delusional if you still believe otherwise.

Look up the concept of an "injoke".


Sorry that your crackpot theory fails. I understand that you're butthurt about this. But you'll have to learn to deal with it. Face it: Your cake idiocy has no basis in anything and just makes you sound like a retard.

>>6734469
stop pretending you have any idea what youre talking about

>>6734470
So basically...

There's a chance that...

Wow. Can anyone summarise the chapters please?

>>6734450
WHEN WAS IT REFFERED EXCEPT THE BEGINING OF EP1 FUCKTARD?
DO YOU ALSO THINK HIGURASHI WAS AN ANIME IN 1986 BECAUSE IT WAS RUNNING ON THEIR TV IN ANIME?
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
HOW THE HELL YOU CAN EVEN SAY SOMEONE WAS BASED ON A CAKE WITH A SERIOUS FACE?
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!

>>6734484
There is no "injoke", meta is just that, it's normal to see the 4th wall destroyed a lot.
Kinda like how the characters sometime talk about the internet and shit even though it's supposed to take place in 1988, you can see it as an injoke but you can also see it as Battler's knowledge from the modern world spilling in his imaginary world.
Why would the situation with Higurashi be different?
SInce Battler is a fan of it, would it be so weird to create 2 characters in his imaginary world based on it?

And for the cake it's the same thing, Battler may have seen a well done cake and decided to make his design of Lambda based on it. Look at her robe.

>>6734509
Grow a brain

>>6734509
Hello, mister anime-watcher

>>6734513
I'd say the same thing to you.

>>6734510
>There is no "injoke"
yes there is. you are just a retard

How can I get the script? I've launched nsaout.exe, but I can't find anything except .bmp files.

>>6734520
Awesome argument there
You probably still believe Bern and Lambda are real witches or something

Well, back to the point, the only argument here for saying if it was serious or not is
"SHUT UP, I KNOW, YOU DON'T".
awesome.

>>6734516
now you will insult me because i have seen anime?
in the manga there is a show called "Magical Bern-chan" which Maria watches. So that means Bern is a character from a show for kids then, right? Jessica sings a song from Touhou in 1986, that means they have Touhou in 1986? George wears t-shirt with "Tomitake flash" that means he flashforwarded himself to 2003 to buy a T-shirt from a novel that will be published that year? my god, you have autism

>>6734552
There is nothing in 1988 and 1998.
It's all fictional, the entire series take place in the brain of old Battler in the 2000's.
Him knowing about Touhou and shit wouldn't be so weird then, no?

>>6734560
You are stupid and there is no point in arguing with you

That is all.

>>6734534
at least i dont believe they are cake like some idiots here

>>6734560
do you fucking think that Battler lives in our world or what?

>>6734576
No, are you fucking stupid?
But Higurashi is referred as fictional in his world, that's fucking all.
And I don't believe she is a cake, I only believe her design was based on a cake in the same way as the siesta designs were based on Maria's doll.

>>6734584
no. the fucking stupid is you. If you think Battler knows about Toho because he is from 2000's so its nothing weird if there are touhous in Umineko you also need to accept that he lives in the world where Toho's exist. If the Tohos exist that means ZUN exist. If ZUN exist Ryuukishi 07 also exist. that means Battler cant be an author to Umineko. If you accept that all of inner jokes are just inner joker besides that only one that mentions Higurashi you are a fucking hypocrite

>>6734614
>>6734584
Just fucking drop it, both of you.
This one of the stupidest arguments I've ever seen, and it's just wasting space on this thread.

Everyone is fucking stupid.

>>6734629
i dont care.
and this thread is maxed anyway

You know what? I ain't even mad. Umineko is still good. I still love all the characters. And the music, my god the music.

...But I'm going to go and read Higurashi now.

So, for those who have finished the episode, do you think Ikuko is Yasu?

>>6734690
No. She has breasts.

>>6734693
So do Shannon and Beatrice.

>>6734731
Pads.

okay thats it, is this fucking cake thing real? then who is bern? why would battler make 34 and bern seem to know more then himslef ? holy shit im so confused, what part is the cake in? how is it explianed? am i just being trolled like an asshole?

>>6734614
It's an INSIDE JOKE, for christ's sake. ZUN prohibited R07 from making a Touhou fanfic so he just added minor tidbits to Umineko, with the reason being Battler from the future loves his touhou o's.

>>6734916
please someone answer me..

>>6734916
no its not real. calm down

>>6734920

Yes Ryuukishi added inside jokes of Touhou because Battler loves touhou
snap the fuck out of it already

hey guys. Wasnt Yasu the one who wrote Legend and Turn anyway?

>>6734303
DO WANT. (Especially the WillxLion part)
Now let's hope there's an english-speaking doujinfag here.

http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=183459
I believe this is Tsubasa, uploaded by some people who have uploaded Umineko games in the past.

>>6734534

Actually there are many hints, this episode included, that they are.

That nurse Yasu met was Miyo wasn't she?