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Oh Battler.

My body is not prepared for the shitstorm.

What now Shkanonfags?

Here's hoping Ange gets the happy ending she deserves.

>>6718127
>I talked to Yasu, Shannon and Kumasawa

>Shannon clarifying "Yasu"

>>6718127
Yasu imagined that Berune said that.

What now?

>>6718135

That's a bit too convenient now.

>>6718127
This is the shit I was talking about in the other thread. I figured the real Shannon left the island and Yasu created Shannon as a new personality. However, the older maids already left the island by that point in time yet Shannon is still there so I don't know what the fuck to think.

>>6718141
Shkanonfags' theories are made of that. Deal with it.

>EP cames out
>New characters revealed
>OH GOD SO FAKE IT LOOKS TERRIBLE EVEN FOR R07'S LEVEL
>2 months later is everyone's waifu

Every time

>>6718138
Then, earlier in the story, why didn't she imagine the older servants complaining about her having a double room with Shannon instead of a single room?

>>6718135
Nope. There you have it. Shkanon = wrong.

It's out in like an hour and we still know NOTHING about it. Anyone else find this worrysome?

Do you even know for sure if it has choices? what mechanism is involved here? Is it more of a full on game like Phoenix Wright where can produce stuff like >>6718127 as contradictions?

I don't know if I feel comfortable with it having multiple paths and bad ends like a traditional VN, but it would be interesting. I kind of want one proper ending instead of this WHAT YOU BELIEVED HAPPEN stuff.

>>6718168
>Do you even know for sure if it has choices? what mechanism is involved here?
Yes. There's a screenshot with two buttons and letters over Zepar and Furfur. Probably choosing Yasu's gender.

You say we know nothing, but there are a few pre-release screenshots as usual.

>>6718168
I think R07 is being quiet all of that because it's the last ep and shit.

Can we have a sticky?

>>6718168
Pretty much everyone is not there just for umineko, you're going to wait for the evening for people to even start playing it.

I'm just amazed people still bother to theorycraft at this point. Ryukishi has very clearly shown he doesn't give a shit about logic, I'm just sitting back and enjoying the trainwreck.

>>6718127
So you're using one line in Yasu's play in a fantasy backdrop as absolute proof against the buckets of evidence all over 7?

>>6718175
Isn't that from Tsubasa? (Extra tips)

>>6718190
>I'm a shkanonfag proven wrong and I love to backtrack
Yep. What happened to your "THERE IS NO PART LIKE THAT YOU LIAR SHOW ME A SCREENSHOT." Who's lacking reading comprehension now?

>>6718188
Nah, Umineko makes sense. Most people are either too lazy, too stupid, or just don't care enough to figure it out. Haters gonna hate, but it's true.

The reason why people believe in Shkanon is because we're given all this evidence to believe it.

One scene from the perspective of Yasu, who isn't the most sane tool in the crayon box, that might go against the buckets of evidence really means nothing.

>>6718190
The Shkanon theory might be right. However, like Will would say, the heart, the theory lacks the heart.

>>6718200
everyone already accepted shkanontrice.

only ones left are:
serious retards
trolls

>>6718188
Ryu reads his fans theories and writes the story based around what people say.

That's why we can never win.

>>6718190
Same play backdrop that featured Kanon talking about how he didn't believe in Beatrice. Awesome.

OMG .. Yasu = Kanon .. why the hell are a lot of people concentrating on shannon?

yasu is popably a boy and shannon couldnt call for kanon in EP7 because kanon was in front of her with will

oh god people... really... i'm not writing a lot here, just reading but that's too much now. of course you can tell me things against it

>>6718223
In what way?

And why are you using Will when he's the guy who solved all the games with Shkanontrice?

>>6718211
If it makes sense, someone would know the truth, but I get the feeling not a single person here knows jack shit about what EP8 will hold, because it's going to be retarded Ryukishi TWEESTS that would make M. Night shake his head in disbelief.

>>6718157

IMO, Yasu is Kanon. They were in seperate rooms, but since Shannon was lonely she imagined her friend was living with her.

At one point Yasu was taken back into Kumasawa's care, and Shannon eventually forgot about her, blocked her out from memory.

That, or, they never actually met until the scene where Beatrice meets Shannon, and all the scenes with Yasu and Shannon were invented by Yasu to explain her stalking of her.

The "I'll create a little brother" thing seems telling for me somehow. Kanon doesn't really get delved into at all in this ep. If Beato "created" Kanon by binding up for Shannon it'd make some degree of sense.

it'd also explain the existence of the Kanon persona - so she could be around Shannon and be her friend without being found out by Kinzo, since she's presenting as male.

It almost seems too blatant that Yasu's identity and Shannon's identity become blurred in Ep.7. I think this could be where the original Pony theory comes in, perhaps they swapped places continually, similar to Shmion.

The truth behind Beato's love for Battler is that she did not understand love, and watched Shannon and Battler's relationship from afar. In reality the whole "transference of love" was that Beatrice had a crush on Battler from Shannon's stories and seeing them together.

Beatrice promised to give this love back to Shannon. But maybe this didn't happen, and this is part of the reason the incident happens? Maybe Beatrice/Kanon really fell in love with Battler.

>>6718230
This, fucking idiots. Ever wonder why Shannon AND Yasu are together in all those scenes? In front of all those other people? Because they're the same person? Wut? What kind of reasoning is that? More like because they're very close DIFFERENT people, gee reminds me of two certain servants on Rokkenjima but let's ignore that it can't be true...

>>6718231
She's just crazy and has multiple personalities! ...that's how the theory basically goes around here. There's no effort to trying to figure out how and why they are the same person.

Tcaz on OT just posted a rather interesting theory, here's a copy/paste

>Basically, my interpretation of how all of the Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice red name tricks go down stems from Episode 4. Shannon and Kanon are Yasu (AKA Beatrice's) furniture.

How did Ep4 show that furniture can die? By being denied.

So I'm thinking that Kanon 'told Jessica his real name' in Ep2, as indicated by the scene... but that caused Kanon to be killed, because he didn't say 'Yoshiya' but rather 'Sayo'.

This can be applied to every instance of Kanon dying/disappearing/etc- the same can be said for Shannon in Ep3.

So stuff like how this all fits is what I was writing about. For instance, 'Kanon' coming back and guiding Jessica in Ep3, I think, is Sayo saying "Kanon might not exist anymore, but I still care about you" and leading her away from Kyrie (I still think Kyrie killed George and Nanjo in Ep3, at least).

>>6718225
except that guy that purposed the qu lian theory and got it spot on. and those that guessed shkanontrice. and those that guessed beato wasn't the culprit. and those that guessed that bern was the baddie. and those that guessed the bomb. and those that guessed the nazi gold was real. and those that guessed the pony theory. etc.

>>6718249
Should all be
>green text.
Woopsies.

>>6718188

I don't really care anymore, either. Even if Umineko gets a bit "lolwut" at times, it's still been a fun ride.

I wonder when all the fake screenshots will be pouring in....

>>6718223
>shkanon theory lacks hear
see
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>>6718248
...no, actually, hardly anyone believes it's multiple personalities.

30 minutes.
Just sayin'.

>>6718250
I think you missed the point of what that Anon was saying.

He'll admit when fans are on the right track. Like when he admitted the Kinzo was dead. But at the same time he knows how to piss us off.

>>6718249

I really like this explanation.

>"Go fuck yourself, Shannon."

>>6718261
Then how Shkanon works exactly? Give some detailed explanation and I will believe in that theory.

>>6718261
And yet you guys keep going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about shkanontrice this shkanontice that, it's like your favorite word is shkanontrice... Seriously /jp/ has no clue, and you try to make fun of animesuki??

>>6718239
Nah, I'm pretty sure I've got the gist of stuff. Obviously I can't be 100% right, no one can, but I think the basics are pretty solid.

inb4 "Well if you've figured it out, then prove it!" Pfthahaha, you think I'd explain everything I've come to understand about Umineko? That'd take way too fucking long to type out; I've got better things to do.

Before the usual Shkannon shitfest, inserting Ogon discussion in this thread.

BREAST GRABBAN
VIRGILIA SPAMMAN
GOHDA IS SECRET CHARACTAN

>>6718276
Go back to /v/.

>>6718245

The problem with Kanon under the current Shkannontrice is that it makes no sense.

People are saying Yasu is not DID. He's an "imaginary friend"? Then why is he walking around on the gameboard?

It's it's all "Sayo Yasuda" doing everything consciously, not switching personalities just persona, then what is the purpose of Kanon? Just to add to the murder mystery factor? But there's too much of a risk of being found out pulling a stunt like that.

The only way Kanon's existence makes sense as a "persona" of Yasu's, is if Shannon was a seperate person all along and Yasu "created" the idea of Kanon so she could be around Shannon on the island without being found out.

Yasu and Shannon were not originally close, and as was said the backstory was probably invented to explain why she was stalking Yasu. How does the whole forgetting about imaginary friends thing work anyway?

The best explanation is that it never happened. From Shannon's perspective, Yasu/Beatrice could have been making it up. And I think that's exactly what happened.

Any questions?

ITT:DURR WE ARE STILL HAVING HURR ARGUEMENTS ABOUT SHKANONTICE.

>>6718285
Yeah, why are you retarded? I can't be bothered arguing with you though, hopefully episode 8 will wash away all your stupidity, assuming that is you're not one of those people who withdraws into a shell for the half year witch hunt takes to translate anything.
>But there's too much of a risk of being found out pulling a stunt like that.
Which is why Will comments on the riskiness of it.

>>6718285
Kanon is there as a hint to Yasu's gender problem. This has already been discussed. It is important there there is an expression of her male aspect.

>>6718274
>I know something you don't know but I'm not gonna tell you

Holy fuck am I in grade school again?

>>6718272
>and on and on and on and on and on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=110EsdLP2Hw

Yasu = Kanon

that makes sense to me now

that would be Kanontrice

>>6718285

I like this theory. Also note that Beatrice says Shannon would forget their first meeting when she wakes up, but in actuality, she doesn't. Because the meeting actually happened, unlike the backstory which was truth mixed with Yasu's fantasy of being Shannon's friend.

>>6718285
The gameboard isn't the truth. The first 4 episodes were written stories by Hachijou. Even if the truth is that Kanon is part of her imagination, the gameboard is just a written guess as to what happened based on given information. And if you believe Yasu wrote the first 4 it works even better since it's her delusion.

Good to see there's less Shkanon retards in this thread. /jp/ might just be able to catch up to other places. have an hour or so of decent theorizing. Then again maybe not, inb4 its all "SHKANONTRICE GET OUT IF YOU DON'T AGREE!!!" again. You're like Erika, won't listen to other truth's and in the end you're all wrong

>>6718276
I want this more than EP8.

>>6718245
It really would be the ultimate "fuck you" from Bern if the servant Yasu idolized her whole life was framed for the serial murders that Yasu herself was responsible for.

>>6718298
I'm not claiming I know something that no one else knows--saying something like that would be just arrogant.

I'm just pretty sure I've figured out what's going on for the most part. It's right there for anyone to understand, and I'm sure anyone can figure it out (and I think a few people here have).

>>6718285
This is actually a nice theory. Leaving Shannon out of the equation, everything make more sense than before.

We've already discussed Yasu's gender deal.

When she fell off the cliff, it cut her genitalia and chest up really bad to the point where she can't have sex with either genders and has no distinguishable features of either gender.

>>6718313
Yasu wrote 1 and 2, AuAu wrote 3 and 4 based on the first two.

>>6718297

That doesn't answer my question at all. I'm not talking about why R07 put Kanon in there. I'm asking why Yasu is dressed up as Kanon going around on the gameboard.

What is Yasu's reasoning for this? To Hint to Battler s/he has gender issues? That doesn't make sense. How is that necessary to get Battler to remember? He met Shannon, he met Shannon as a female. So what does it have to do with anything? Sure it's an important point, but not enough to sustain the existence of Kanon.

And we don't even know this for certain yet, and the risks posed in impersonating a male servant are unnecessarily high.

It's just like the people who act like Ep.7 is satisfactory to explain Yasu's motive. It isn't, for the vast majority of people, and nobody's provided a good explanation just pulling the annoying "Well if you don't get it I can't help you" card.

Just because you can answer a question with a sentence doesn't mean it's a good explanation.

>>6718319
If you're going to say "yep I've pretty much got it all figured out but don't ask me it's too long to say" then don't fucking say anything in the first place.

>>6718285
I really like this theory. Did you think of it yourself?

>>6718328
Except it doesn't. It's asking us to believe that, surprise, there were TWO six year old little kids being brought to work at the mansion, the second one being there for no reason, Natsuhi and Krauss never commented on the second one, Yasu being treated as the one senior servant even with Shannon there, the two-to-two rooms issue, etc, etc.

It's casting around trying to find some excuse for Kanon to not be Yasu instead of actually trying to understand Beatrice/Yasu's heart.

>>6718337
I suppose you're right. Mad?

>>6718285
Well.. I wanted to call you stupid and retarded, but the more I read the more it made sense. Fuck.

>>6718285

Yasu stalking Shannon, not the other way around. Bleh.

That also explains Beatrice's crush on Battler, since she was stalking Shannon then too. She didn't act on it because he was Shannon's, but when it was obvious he forgot, she held out for the possibility of him coming back but far enough into the future Shannon won't care.

If you consider that Yasu is depressed, transgendered and generally fucked up and lonely, it all makes a lot of sense.

>>6718285
Holy shit. Did you just solve Umineko?

>>6718285
mind = blown.

Kanontrice for the win. That is all.

>>The gameboard isn't the truth. The first 4 episodes were written stories by Hachijou. Even if the truth is that Kanon is part of her imagination, the gameboard is just a written guess as to what happened based on given information. And if you believe Yasu wrote the first 4 it works even better since it's her delusion.

>>the first 4

What the fuck am I reading?

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I'm remembering this post. 10 internets says in just a few hours you might just win an 11th internet.

>>6718343
This. I'm all for alternate theories but this really just complicates things, not simplifies them.

>>6718285
Well, I don't think this is the BEST THEORY EVER like a lot of other seem to. But it does make more sense than the shit usually going on around here.

>>6718285
I like this theory and it is a part of my nekotrice/double shkannontrice theory. however, it is a lot harder to solve the murders this way IIRC.

>>6718361
It's more clear than Shkanontrice anyway so I fully support Kanontrice.

>>6718357
This. And both things he says are wrong. Yasu wrote 1-2, Hachijou solved it with those and wrote the rest. But Hachijou includes so many things in 3+ that people doubt that, which is why I think her real identity might have been someone from the incident. Battler?

>>6718333
Gameboard =/= reality.

Yasu creates Kanon as an imaginary little brother for her imaginary friend Shannon, and writes both characters into her message bottle mysteries as actual people.

Notice how on the "real" Rokkenjima as shown to us by Bernkastel, Kanon isn't mentioned and doesn't appear? What's so hard to understand about that?

>>6718285
Best theory ever or best theory ever?

How where the 1st two bottles released by Yasu? Rigged to the bomb system to drop in if the device goes off?

>>Which is why Will comments on the riskiness of it.

... not this anon but are you stupid? Will is talking about something else at this point. Completely.

>>6718285
I'll give you an 8 out 10.

Compared to Shkanontrice's pathetic 2 out out 10, that's pretty good.

>>6718386
No he isn't. He's saying if George walked into the shed to see Shannon there it would have been over. Why? She wasn't there.

>>6718383
They could have been released prior. It's not like they'll reach land in 2 minutes.

>>6718394
>>Why? She wasn't there.

...yeah, but she wasn't there because she's the culprit, not because OMFG SHE MUST BE KANON, retard. :|

>>6718373
What the hell are you talking about? Jessica directly introduces him to Battler.

>>6718285
Saved for future reference.

>>6718343

If the backstory was invented, then there is. There is no reason to take that as fact.

Yasu purposely merged her history with Shannon's to make her more believable. In reality, as she said herself, Shannon was her ideal. Yasu's relationship with Shannon was as imaginary as Gaap. They probably talked, and Yasu probably lent her a mystery novel at some point, but all the Fukuin house scenes are invented - we know this anyway since Shannon had a one bed.

Here's another idea - what if the reason Yasu kept losing the key, was that she never had one? She just imagined so since she was a "servant". Kumasawa took pity on her and gave her the key later on.

Yasu was probably never a real servant. Genji + Kumasawa probably kept her hidden in the mansion at night. After all it's a big mansion, and that point was drilled in in Episode 7 by Jessica, the further away rooms were almost like "the outside".

The idea of her being a servant was just invented to disguise her from Kinzo. After all, she was hopelessly clumsy as a servant. At some point Yasu's health probably takes a turn for the worse, which is why she stops being a "servant" and disappears from Shannon's life entirely. When she recovers, she does so as Kanon.

Remember how the earlier eps also showed to us that Kanon was the clumsier servant? Just like Yasu.

Yasu never being a "real" servant also could even make her the culprit and satisfy Knox's laws. Which would explain Kanon in Episode 1.

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most retarded theory ever. shkanontrice already solved every mystery. Kanon cannot be seperate from shanon and yasu.
also stop samefagging and saying you're arguement is awesome cause it's total shit.

>>6718285
This should be a sticky. Too bad moot don't give a shit.

>>6718386
Well, fuck what Will says, since he blatantly solved the games using Shkanontrice but we apparently don't care about that anymore.

Kanon is close to Jessica
Yasuda is Jessica's brother

Yasuda is close to Jessica
Kanon is Jessica's brother

>>6718373
This, seriously.

I'm sorry to people who don't like Shkanontrice (even though its current form doesn't have anything to do with DID and has no real impact on real Rokkenjima), but at this point you're just ignoring almost everything about Yasu.

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This person knows what's going on.
Y'all go home now.

>>6718409
I think you just might be a genius. And I don't use that term lightly.

>>6718383
The were written after to hide the truth.

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My God, there is so much samefagging for this it's unbelievable.

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>>6718409
Welp, no point theorizing anymore. Nothing could match this.

>>6718329
Wat?
The gender isn't brought up often because its irrelevant for story, besides someone's homosexuality.

>>6718430
Not samefag, I'm only one of those.

>>6718409
I was a bit skeptical at first, but what the hell. This is probably true.

>>6718416
Yasu is, in reality, older than Jessica.

>>6718409
>Remember how the earlier eps also showed to us that Kanon was the clumsier servant? Just like Yasu.

Shannon is a clumsy servant too, I don't know what you're on about with this.

>Yasu never being a "real" servant also could even make her the culprit and satisfy Knox's laws. Which would explain Kanon in Episode 1

Except Yasu isn't a 'real' servant because she's inherited Kinzo's title.

The game gives reasons for everything that happens, and you're just making a lot of shit up with no facts for support.

sure is autistic samefag here.

>>6718409
Please stop blowing my mind. It's dangerous.

>yasu is popably a boy and shannon couldnt call for kanon in EP7 because kanon was in front of her with will

I saw that as a possibility as well. But I still can't make sense of why a boy would love Battler instead of his best female friend. Seems more likely then that Yasu is a girl, but dressing as a boy since she is flat. Perhaps hurting your chest in a fall is more likely than your penis getting hurt.

But it is all confusing. If Kanon and Shannon are best friends and aware of who is what, then would Shannon really allow Yasu to pretend to like Jessica?

>>most retarded theory ever. shkanontrice already solved every mystery. Kanon cannot be seperate from shanon and yasu.
also stop samefagging and saying you're arguement is awesome cause it's total shit.

>>"Hello I'm a complete retard, stop making me feel stupid because I agree with a theory which is MAYBE false."

>>6718430
>Shkanontrice fag accusing others of samefagging
I think there's a word for it... what was it... IRRRONNNYYY!!!!!!!!

without IQ over 15 samefagging cannot be seen.

>>6718409
mind = blown

Best theory so far.

So, what does /jp/ think the WORST thing R07 can do?

Because that's probably what will happen.

>>6718409
In other words, you're dismissing everything told to us about Yasu's history in EP7 as bullshit? And again, why the fuck would Genji drag a six-year-old Shannon to the mansion to be a servant if she was unrelated? For the lulz?

>Remember how the earlier eps also showed to us that Kanon was the clumsier servant? Just like Yasu.

This never happened.

ITT: pic & >>6718224

>>6718409
This is just the modern day pony theory. And that's a compliment - that shit was pretty spot on, and made so much sense when thought about it.

>this thread after Kanontrice theory

Oh my god, you guys...this is unbelievable. Have we just been flooded by a bunch of Animesuki retards? Is this samefagging? I don't even.

>>6718471
Introduce Asumu's Battler.

>>6718471
>AND IT WAS ALL A DREAM
But do you know what the best thing would be?
>AND IT WAS ALL LAMBDADELTA'S DREAM BECAUSE SHE'S STILL TRAPPED IN HER LOGIC ERROR

>>6718472
In fact, if anything, Shannon was depicted as the clumsy one. Kanon was just antisocial and weak.

>>6718477
I'm praying it's samefagging. Otherwise at least this is happening right before EP8, so hopefully they'll stick around for tears.

>>6718481
>Kanon was just antisocial and weak.
Oh god. This shit just keeps getting more and more obvious.

>>6718480
>AND IT WAS ALL LAMBDADELTA'S DREAM BECAUSE SHE'S STILL TRAPPED IN HER LOGIC ERROR

This, please.

>>6718479
Oh god. I remember when I'd WANTED that to happen, episodes ago.
But now it would just be torture.

It's now 10AM in Japan.
It begins.

>>6718477

It's definitely samefagging, but I'm also sure there are some Animesuki retards in this thread.

>>If the backstory was invented, then there is. There is no reason to take that as fact.


Not to menton the fact that Kinzo's backstory... Well... yeah... It is exactly what happened, of course, yeah.


The theory is still weak for me but at least it is more realistic and really interesting.

>>6718488
My body is ready

>>6718471
Trying his hardest to pull out a happy ending. At this point I don't think a happy ending with a good explanation is possible.

>>6718479
inb4 Kinzo = Amakusa = Battler from the future

ladies and gentlemen, last day of Comiket is OPEN!

now we just have to wait untill someone buys it and goes back with our game and spoilers

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>>6718409
>If the backstory was invented, then there is.

Except the backstory is not invented. It wasn't even being told by a person; it was being related by Clair, who is a personification of the story itself.

Also, stop samefagging.

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>AND IT WAS ALL LAMBDADELTA'S DREAM BECAUSE SHE'S STILL TRAPPED IN HER LOGIC ERROR
WRONG! OBJECTION!
IT WAS ALL R07'S DREAM BECAUSE HE'S STILL TRAPPED IN HIS LOGIC ERROR(AUTISM)

>>6718471
Use the phrase "cat box" one more time. Seriously, it's getting old.

>>6718477
>Have we just been flooded by a bunch of Animesuki retards?
How to test whether a thread is flooded by a bunch of Animesuki retards:
-Is it an Umineko thread?
   If so, yes.
   If no, maybe.

A lot of samefag accusing samefagging.

I hope none of this Shkanontrice bullshit is true, regardless of how unlikely that is. It's an awful answer for an awful story.

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You guys ready for some Shkanontricenzobattler2?

I wonder if the first copy has already been sold

kanon is a girl
yasu is a girl

kanon = yasu

think about everything what kanon did. kanon rescued his love in EP6 (battler)

kanon is an emo like yasu. kanon is the hopeless of a servant and yasu the hopefully one who throws her servant-being away.

yasu created kanon and is the best friend of shannon like always. as yasu and as kanon

fuck shkannon

>>6718506
>I hope none of this Shkanontrice bullshit is true, regardless of how unlikely that is. It's an awful answer for an awful story.

There's the door. You can show yourself out any time!

I place my bets on shkanonyasuclaiongaaptrice

>>6718479
Inb4 he really is our new "Mr. Maple"

>>6718481
Interesting how before the world change, when we're saying that Shannon was imaginary, she was the perfect servant that Yasu looked up to. And afterwards, without Yasu idolizing her, she was her normal clutzy self.

>>6718402
>Jessica introduces him to battler

Citationneeded.jpg

>>6718506
>I hope none of this Shkanontrice bullshit is true, regardless of how unlikely that is. It's an awful answer for an awful story.

You poor thing. Fighting to the very end with all your might, even though it's painfully obvious by now.

Can EP8 top the shitstorm that EP6 caused?

>>6718506
Are you one of the ones mad about the DID?

Don't worry, then, Yasu doesn't have DID. At all.

I really don't understand all this animosity towards Shkanontrice--the main thing that annoyed people was the DID, right? Am I mistaken?

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>A lot of samefag accusing samefagging.
Yeah, no samefagging going on here at all right?

>>6718528
This will top all shitstorms.
I can already feel it coming

>>6718528
Most likely. Some people will like the answers, some pleople won't.

>>6718528
it will.

>>6718534
I'm totally fine with and even like a lot of aspects of Shkanontrice as it is now.

EP6 version made me rage.

>>6718528
I wouldn't put it past Ryukishi.

>>6718512
So.

You are trolling, right

>>6718528
It's already brewing at the horizon.

>>6718528
Shit's going to be fucking crazy.

>>6718534
It's mainly animesukifags who can't take shkanontrice no matter what. They still equate the idea with DID, too.

This will end like the Curtain.
The one who wrote the letters and gave the clues is actually the killer.

Why are all of you so emotionally invested in the solution? Reading through this thread, it's like I'm on a fucking normalfag religion/politics messageboard.

It's embarrassing.

>>6718534
Well that, and Shannon is just a shitty character.

As for Yasu, nothing against the character, just pissed that we were introduced to such a important person near the goddamn end of the story. What a dick move.

>>6718534
It's not really about DID, it's about presenting two characters and then later saying they're one--and having that be rather key to the mystery.

It's also about suspending disbelief in that Natsuhi, Krauss, and Jessica could have these wackos in their employ and not realize it for so long, but people seem ready to accept that for whatever reason (I don't).

>>6718541
Yeah, I don't think anyone honestly liked the EP6 version of it. Either you thought it was true or you thought it was so stupid that you wanted to look for another answer, but no one actually thought it was a good 'twist'.

As it is now, it's pretty okay in my book.

Someone bought it already.

Fucking fast.

>>6718535
No.
>>6718534
doesn't change the fact that something else could work. if you don't want to theorize about umineko , stop going into these threads and just read.
>>6718528
Na. Shkannonfags and Anti-Shkannonfags will be able to say " YES but he still want to work on umineko, SO, IN REI...!"

kanon and shannon are stopping being servants after they accept their love to jessica and george. so they can kill.

shannon told kanon about being a human and did show him the blu color of the ocean so he stopped being a servant accepting his love to jessica.

but his love to jessica is just sisterlove because kanon is a girl called yasuda and loves battler

I'm going to sum up my Kanontrice theory.

1)Yasu falls off a cliff but is saved by Nanjo, and is subsequently raised by Kumasawa/Genji.

2)When Yasu is older, Kumasawa brings her to work. To hide her from Kinzo but keep her close, she is disguised as a servant, and hidden in one of the far away rooms when she stays the night.

3) Yasu starts taking a liking to Shannon, a very servant. Yasu as she said admired Shannon, and makes her into her ideal. Yasu "Play pretends" as a real servant.

4)Yasu begins to imagine Shannon as her close friend in Yukuin house. In reality, Yasu does not have the confidence to talk to Shannon but stalks her.

5) At some point, Yasu lends Shannon a mystery novel. Soon after, Yasu's condition takes a turn for the worse and she disappears, - possibly off the island entirely. Yasu curses her body, her illness and Genji and Kumasawa. It's around then she most seriously starts to imagine herself as a witch, who need not worry about an earthly body.

6) Yasu eventually makes a full recovery(?) and returns to the Island, still as a "witch" in her mind. Here she hides in the far rooms once again and spends the day wandering the forest. She resumes stalking Shannon, and watches her with Battler. Yasu doesn't understand love, and is fascinated by their relationship. Her obsession begins to shift onto Battler as well as Shannon.

seriously what is wrong with the shkanontrice theory? it's good, and r07 is an awesome writer.

I also love how anti-shkanontice rage and get their shit shoved into their faces by r07.

>>6718558
Um. Shannon and Yasu are the same person--with the same personality, too. Yasu's been there since the beginning.

It's just that we learned her backstory later, which is just fine because otherwise there would've been no mystery.

>>6718558
You could have "found" Yasu through Beatrice in the question arcs if you were reading carefully. Ponyfags pulled it off, they just called her Maria. And she ended up having imaginary friends named Shannon and Kanon. Works for me.

7) Yasu is now coming of age it is more necessary than ever to hide her from Kinzo, while keeping her close. Yasu feels bad for Shannon and wants to know more about Battler, so talks to Genji and creates the "Kanon" persona, which will allow her to be as close to Shannon as possible.

8) Jessica beings expressing interest in Kanon, which is awkward for Yasu. Shannon eventually forgets Battler, while Yasu develops an obsession for him just as she did for Shannon and the world of witches. She promises to return the love to Shannon, but perhaps something happened? Eventually Kanon/Yasu tells everything to Jessica, and she becomes part of the "Plan".

As an addendum, I think Yasu could have originally been male, so it might not even have been a case of "hiding" the child as Kanon. Because of the suicidal depression transsexuals tend to get, she curses everyone for saving her. Of course, Lion in the other Kakera still has "gender issues" - which is alluded to with Jessica being the same too.

>>6718563

What I'd give to be holding all 3 of those right now

>>6718555
Because many of us have been theorizing about it for several years.

>>6718567
Why are you making theories instead of trying to find the answer?

>>6718563
AND SO IT BEGINS!
PUT YOUR HATS ON AND TRIM YOUR MUSTACHES, GENTS!

>>6718554
Why would you hide the truth by writing yourself as the culprit...if you were actually the culprit?

Exactly.

>>6718565
>No.
Right. You are blind. Actually explains a lot.

>>6718093
who the hell inveted that DID shit in the first place?
from what i got the only reason it got in my Umineko theories is that anons can't imagine a person pretending to be other person without having DID, right?
why do people keep bringing that shit up

>>6718567
Thanks, saved.

>>6718567
Actually this explains something that was bothering me about Clair's story. There's a bit where they're talking about And Then There Were None, and Shannon already knows the ending even though Yasu hasn't read it yet. I couldn't figure out how that would work if Shannon was imaginary.

So, what's Lion's sex? That's the only thing that matters to me since WillxLion BL is the only think that makes me care about umineko.

>>6718528
EP6 spoiler thread was glorious.
http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/4009153

>>6718555
Because thinking is... like... the only good thing about umineko?
And even the author is aknowledging this.
Without it, there is not much left.

>>6718592
Because apparently a lot of people didn't read Episode 7.

>>6718592
>who the hell inveted that DID shit in the first place?
Many people simultaneously after episode 6.
>from what i got the only reason it got in my Umineko theories is that anons can't imagine a person pretending to be other person without having DID, right?
Back in episode 6.
>why do people keep bringing that shit up
Because animesukifags who are against Shkanontrice period, regardless of the interpretation, and always try to have at least one of them be separate, still call it DID.

>>6718595
It does not matter, and it probably won't be revealed.

>>6718595
It's Schrödinger's penis. Could be either, could be both.

I wonder if Ryu will try make any references to Higurashi.

>>6718609
On the plus side, anon, that's even better! Just think of the doujins!

>>6718498

But those scenes WERE invented even in the Shkannontrice theory. I suppose all the magic and stuff is fact too? At the same time

You're confusing the truth you read into it with the absolute truth - and there was no absolute truth presented.

It's not even that it was trying to mislead - so much as we got Yasu's versions of the events. It is the truth mixed with the fiction Yasu invented to explain her relationship with Shannon and Battler.

It is highly fictional either way; this can't be avoided.

>>6718472

Actually, my version of events doesn't need to be any more fictional than the Shkanontrice version. The events at Fukuin house between Yasu and Shannon were imagined either way, we can agree on that? And in Shkanontrice theory, the existence of Shannon as a separate entity, despite the maids clearly recognising them as separate, is also a fiction.

Kanontrice can actually have less fiction than Shkanontrice. The only problem is with some of the Ep6 stuff, but I have explanations for that too.

And fake screenshots rolling in already too!

>>6718598
>My visage when everyone thinks cape Battler is fake.

>>6718618
No one cares about your explanations, it's EP8 time.

>>It does not matter, and it probably won't be revealed.

>>It does not matter,

That's what you are saying.

Oh look.

>>6718619
Ah Yes, chap!
Too bad i cant read poopycock out of that.

>>6718619
;_;

>>6718618
Does the timeline actually match up? I think it was said at some point in an earlier game that Shannon had been a servant for ten years, but I can't remember where or by who. That might be a problem.

>>6718594
But did Shannon ever actually give Yasu the answer? As long as she didn't, there's no problem there.

>>6718618
>despite the maids clearly recognising them as separate

That one line?

Please, you're picking at straws here. It's embarrassing, and there's nothing wrong with how the story is presented--that is, Yasu has imaginary friends that she wrote into a story.

In before there was never any wincest, Kinzo actually disliked Beatrice 2 because it wasn't his child and her birth killed Beatrice 1

>>6718619
>fake spoilers about Asumu and Rudolf being siblings

Go Japan, go.

>>6718631
HE'S THE IRISH WARLOCK OF LUCK

>>6718631
That is the worst fake image I have seen thusfar

>>6718631
That thing on the left is about as well-drawn as most of Ryu's other characters.

>>6718604

But how does the alternative work?

I don't understand why people are constantly saying IT'S NOT DID and insulting people who come up with alternative theories, but do not present their own one, just insult people for not accepting it.

How does the "Imaginary friends" Shkannontrice work exactly? And nobody (properly) answered the question about Yasu's personal motive for having Kanon on the gameboard(not R07).

>>6718631

Were they even trying?

>>6718640
BUT THEN WHO WAS LION

>>6718636
She specifically said that it was a perfect crime, and that the answer was revealed at the end in a message bottle left by the culprit.

>>6718635
In episode 2, after Shannon, Genji and Gohda lead Rosa to the servants room where Kumasawa and Nanjo's corpses "disappeared". Rosa pulls the gun and starts accusing them. There's narration saying Shannon was repaid with her 10 years of service to the family with this.

>>6718650
>>6718648
>>6718644
>>6718643
THAT IMAGE IS OLD AS SHIT. Get with the times.

>>6718658
It's also repeated when she's first introduced in EP1 and in the proposal scene with George.

>>6718656
Then Yasu already knew that.

>>6718619
More of the same.

>>6718654

Jesus, Yasu, Yoshiya, Yaso take your pick

I'm frustrated how tonnes of evidence still doesn't convince the stubborn. It's like trying to argue with holocaust deniers around here sometimes

>>6718658
>>6718663
In the spirit of paranoia, is it all narration, or is some of it in dialogue?

>>6718685
The scene I'm talking about with Rosa is narration.

>>6718662
I repost it everytime we have these threads waiting for the new episode.
Last time i guess ;_;

>>6718685
First one is Battler's first-person POV, at least.

>>6718638

I could have sworn this was a mystery series where "one line" or one minute detail should be enough to turn a theory on it's head.

I'm sure you could deny Shkannontrice too easily by picking at one line or one little detail.

And it's not even the crux of the argument. Kanontrice makes more sense than Shkannontrice, fact. Of course I get the feeling R07 will still probably go with Shkannontrice.

Asumu is Kinzo's daughter with his lover? At least it's entertaining as fake spoilers go.

>>6718685
"Yes, I've had the pleasure of serving this household for ten years."
She's 紗音. ......The kanji for her name are read as "Shannon".

>>6718649
Did you read EP7?

>>6718685
Even if it wasn't in dialogue, you could then say that since those stories are fictional there's no point anyway.

It's so hard to sort out truth from fiction in Umineko sometimes.

>>6718677
This is a mystery story. Until the answer is revealed, there's always the possibility, however slight, that the author was a little bit better at misdirection than you thought he was. Paranoia about obvious answers is a survival tactic.

>>6718692
>Kanontrice makes more sense than Shkannontrice, fact.

Get out.

Seriously, just get out.

>>6718697

Episode 7 provides absolutely no evidence as to how the Shkanon mechanism actually works.

I wish people would stop saying this. And nobody's actually debunking anything in the Kanontrice theory, just flinging insults in good old 4chan fashion.

Do we really have a Shkanontrice denier this late in the game?

To Animesuki with you, faggot.

>>6718705

This is what every single reply from a Shkannontricefag reads like. Every single fucking one. None of these amazing arguments they supposedly have. Just HUR YOU RETARD.

>>Get out.

>>Seriously, just get out.


Nah, sorry.
Stay here, guy.

>>6718706
>Episode 7 provides absolutely no evidence as to how the Shkanon mechanism actually works.
The feelings that well up in me knowing you actually believe this are very complex mixtures of pity and anger.

Don't worry, anons, in a few hours everything will be crystal clear

>>6718720
what the fuck
this is ugly

It would be fucking hilarious if shkanontrice was just a troll.

I know it won't happen but god the shitstorms would be amazing.

>>6718706
>Shkanon mechanism actually works.

Are you...talking about DID? For the last time, there is no DID.

What are you saying? Yasu wrote 2 mysteries. In them, she wrote herself as the culprit. She dressed up as Shannon and Kanon consciously. The scenes where they're together or with Genji and such are fantasy.

All right, everyone just calm the fuck down. Wait for EP8 spoilers and look at Will.

I can't wait for the spoilers to flood in so everyone can shut the fuck up.

>>6718713
People who need an argument to convince them of Shkanontrice are already hopeless. You can't argue with them. If the episodes so far didn't convince them, then what will? You'd have to be pretty arrogant to think any argument you could have against one of them would hit them harder than episode 6 and 7.

They just latch on to the slightest bit of doubt they can and run with it. They're not even really arguing. They're just venting their frustrations with R07 out on you.

>>6718720
Pony-san ;_;
This is the last time we'll see eachother

Why is the Umineko fandom so full of retards?
Seriously, not trolling here, reading this thread is like reading the comments in youtube or something.

>>6718719

Sorry, but instead of being an ass, show me exactly where it does? Kanon barely appears in Episode 7. Beatrice "creates" a little brother for Shannon and he turns up. That's about up. it doesn't explain crossdressing or fobbing off the family or anything like that.

>>6718736
Didn't you read the Kanontrice theory? That's called an argument and you just ignored it (like all the Shkanontricefags do)

>>6718740
There's people from Animesuki, /a/, Gamefaqs here. It makes sense.

>>6718736
yeah yeah, just go the fuck out now, elitist-sama.
>>6718737
I will miss him. If only there was an easter egg aboutthis in any of ryukishi's works.

>>6718713
>Shkannontricefag

YOU ACT LIKE IT'S HORRIBLE OR SOMETHING, BUT THIS ISN'T THE SAME THEORY FROM EP6

IT'S A MECHANISM THAT WORKS IN FICTION JUST FINE AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MULTIPLE PERSONALITIES. IF YOU READ EP7 AND HONESTLY WANTED TO SOLVE UMINEKO YOU WOULD'VE REALIZED THIS.

IF THIS IS A TROLL, 10/10. I MAD. I VERY, VERY MAD.

>>6718736
I like Beatrice and want to understand her, so EP7 Shkanontrice clicks for me and works.

It might be unfair, but I can't help but feel like Shkanontrice deniers at this stage are just looking for an "out" from it and nothing else without real consideration to the characters.

>>6718731
>She dressed up as Shannon and Kanon consciously.

This is the mechanism I'm talking about. It's ridiculously contrived and exactly why people hate the Shkanontrice theory. We can buy Mion/Shion, but this?

If Kanon's existence served some purpose other than HURR GENDER HINTS, then it might be worth something. Otherwise it's a retarded unnecessary risk to take that could give the game away too early.

OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT

>>6718740
Touhou threads are worse.

The real answer is that most Umineko fans are girls.

Any 2ch thread ready for the spoilers?

>>6718750

But it doesn't explain why Yasu would go to the conscious effort to perpetuate the existence of Kanon. What does it gain her? It just takes time away from her and adds complications.

And disregards even more of Clair's story than the Kanontrice theory does.

>>6718731
>Everyone has been hiding Kinzo's death

This is the mechanism I'm talking about. It's ridiculously contrived and exactly why people hate the Deadkinzo theory. We can buy Mion/Shion, but this?

If Kinzo's existence served some purpose other than HURR IS HE DEAD OR ALIVE, then it might be worth something. Otherwise it's a retarded unnecessary risk to take that could give the game away too early.

>>6718756
oh boy...
Shitstorm in 3....

>>6718756
>That Icon.

>>6718756
Is that Ange as the icon?

>>6718759
I've been looking at http://yuzuru.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/gameama/1293712781

>>6718756
DAT Ange in the upper left

How about a new thread? This one's close to autosaging.

>>6718756

>>6718756
Is that Ange in the icon?

>>6718756
This will be fun.

>>6718756
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU

>>6718756
Oh shit

>>6718756
See. What did I tell you shkshitters?

>>6718753
It's a FICTIONAL STORY.

Nothing like 'dressing up as two different people' happened in THE REAL WORLD.

GET. IT. THROUGH. YOUR. HEAD. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.

>>6718756

Hahaha obvious fake is obvious

>>6718711
forgeting than probably more than a half of people here are animesuki fags

it's useless

>>6718756
Uhhhhhh-oh. This... might not end well.

>>6718756

>>6718765

That's a lot more viable since Kinzo spends all his time shut up in his study. And doesn't involve cross dressing. And all the adults had guessed it, whereas nobody did with Shannon/Kanon. Shannon and Kanon dance around the island like retards.

>>6718779
its fake genius

>>6718792
it is not you dumbfuck

>>6718756
There's something off about the window borders in that picture. It's like someone alt-printscreened that, but if they knew how to do that why would they take a photo of their laptop screen?

>>6718756
Guys, if this is supposedly legit, why did they take a PHOTO of it rather than post a clear screenshot?

I smell fake.

>>6718794
I don't see anyone talking about it on 2ch. They're still stuck on the ASUMU AND RUDOLF ARE INCESTUOUS SIBLINGS earlier fake.

>>6718756
Hmm, I think the icon is Hachijo but I'm not sure. It doesn't look like Ange like someone else said.

Spoiler from 2ch, and considering the way they discuss it, it seems to be true.

ASUMU IS KINZO'S DAUGHTER

>>6718796
EP7 first screencaps were like this too.

The hype makes you do shitty snapshots

EP6 was mainly about Shkannon, EP7 about Shannontrice

As far as I know Beatrice is old twisted Yasu, Shannon is Yasu's "imaginary friend/work face" of sorts

I still need to understand how Kanon enters here and how the whole Shkannontrice thing works tho, I doubt it's actual crossdressing and deceiving people and I'm still not sure about the DID either, there's something more to it

>>6718802

Why is this family so headfucked?

>>6718802
Stop that.

>>6718791
You just don't get it do you? The message bottles that depict Yasu playing constant dressup aren't measured in terms of risk and reward. An argument like "why would Yasu do that she would be discovered and sent right to jail!' completely misses the point. Yasu likely wrote Kanon in on purpose to hint about herself, because she wanted to be understood. She wrote those letters before the conference even began.

>>6718756
Tsubasa fake spoilers?

I want EP8, damn it.

>>6718802

Umineko really is just a GIANT BALL OF INCEST, isn't it?

>>6718802
More incest? What the fuck?

>>6718808
You don't understand EP7 or the entire story, that's all.

>>6718756

STOP UPLOADING THE FAKE RUDOLF/ROSA SCREENSHOTS, JAPAN. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THIS SHIT BACK IN EP7.

>>6718802
wtf you talking about faggot.if Asumu is Kinzo's daughter then whose parents Battler stay with after her death?

>>6718802
oh you.

Icon is apparently Asumu.

>>6718814
... It's not EP8 stuff?

Well then, moving on.

HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK

Penis confirmed

>>6718824
EXACTLY!

>>6718802
i called it first

>>6718756
Oh god, can someone translate it?

Anyone that doesn't believe in Shakanonyasuclairetrice at this point hasn't been reading the novels.

Teatrice is the best theory. I will live in denial until it's completely crushed.

>>6718796
it is more plausible this way. A screenshot would be " LOL NO IT'S OBVIOUS FAEK" even more than here.

Well, wait and see.

Guys, all of these spoilers are fake.

>>6718828
This will be the best episode.

>>6718812

But why is that necessary to hint herself? It's not necessary to know Yasu was born with a penis to solve anything, even most of Yasu's backstory.

And we don't even know that she has "gender issues" yet.

>>6718759
this picture is awfully suitable for this thread.

>My face when i started to read Umineko today and i will not be able to join the shitstorm

Well there is always easymodo, but its not he same.

>>6718841
Oh boy, another Shakanonyasuclairetricefag. Why can't you use just a tiny bit of observational ability and realize that Nanjohdatrice has been staring you in the face this entire time?

>>6718833
>>6718833
>>6718833
>>6718833

SOURCE FAGET

>>6718848
Guess what else we thought was fake this time last year.

SOMEONE MAKE A NEW THREAD

>>6718859
Who is that?

Autosaging, new thread:

>>6718861

>>6718833
MAKE IT HAPPEN, RYUCAKES
The shitstorm would be beyond glorious.

>>6718839
>Ihihihihi, you're got huge ones, you're flat? And yet both flat and huge are twins.

>"Ah.. we're not related, stop fooling around..."

>"I know that. When did you get a look alike like, though?"

I am officially wating.

OH CRAP
The beginning continues the events of tea party, Eva is running to the harbor but she's shot in the head by someone.

>>6718863
Go away, Bern.

>>6718833
The genealogical tree they are posting
金蔵妻ーー金蔵ーー愛人
　　　｜　　　｜
　留弗夫ーー明日夢
http://yuzuru.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/gameama/1293712781
post 703 and down

>>6718872
Is Battler molesting Kanon?

Ok 2chan finally confirmed it
Yasu does not have a penis
Yasu has TWO penises
And two inflatable tentacle nipples

>>6718875

Where? I've been following the 2ch thread and I don't see something like that.

>>6718875
The Harbor? She should be heading to Kuwadorian.

I am not going to say Shkanontrice sounds reasonable, because it doesn't; however, Shkanontrice is the correct solution. What about Shanontrice? NO. What about Kanontrice? NO. The purpose of the love duel in episode 6 was to say that only one of the two could possibly succeed in their love. The only possible conclusion is either they love the same person or they are the same person. Seeing as George=/=Jessica I am going to go with the Kanon=Shanon option. Kanon does not love Battler, go satisfy your homolust in another thread.

I fail to understand people who don't accept Shkannontrice. It's been so thoroughly hinted at without being said. What would the ENTIRE point of EP7 be without it? What would the ENTIRE point of the love duel and Beato's solution for the closed room in EP6 be?

It's written in there for a reason, not written in there to be dodged.

>>6719309
Not to mention, what would the point of the "Who killed Beatrice?" riddle be? I came away concluding that Meta-Beato killed herself by using the Shkannon explanation in 6 thus denying her existence herself.

Bern was behind the mystery all along as bern is awesome.