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>>6660488
Remember the LIFES AND TIMES of Eva Ushiromiya?

Fuck that shit, Jessica had it worse by far.

Grew up with a strict as fuck mother, KNEW she would get in trouble if she was nice to the servants, she did so anyways, and ultimately put up with everyone despite their many quirks.

Her reward? Getting her head bashed in, and being used as a pawn by a crazy person with gender issues.

Same with Gohda, motherfucker just wanted to cook food, his reward? Shot by a crazy bitch.

Really he's just a goddamn cook, Kyrie, no fucking need to kill him.

At least everyone else sorta kinda had it coming.

>>6660496
>Remember how Lion was telling Ange "there's no way your real mother feels those things, that isn't your real mother" under the belief that the Tea Party was just another game, ie, story?

If it's plausible for the GM to make Kyrie act OOC under the premise of what a gameboard/cat box story is, it's plausible for Yasu to make herself OOC for the scapegoat/mystery message she was trying to write.

>>6660516
Even so, if the objective truth holds, that Kyrie killed Jessica, Maria, and Gohda, motivation and THE HEART can't do much.

Even with a hostage scenario, such actions are pretty goddamn evil.

And as much as I WANT TO BELIEVE in Yasu, Ryukishi said his/her part of the mystery is over.

Oh, Jessica.
<3
Forever my waifu.

>>6660535
Not anymore lolol
;_;

>>6660529
We still don't know... 25% of the truth, was it? Most likely, there are still some things related to the Rokkenjima incident that don't involve Yasu. We still don't know what the whole "world peace" thing is about.

>>6660529
Thats becuase that interpretion of the crime had no heart. No "Why dunnit".

>>6660547

Shut up Mathias and get out of Soma's sexy, sexy body.

>>6660506
>being used as a pawn by a crazy person with gender issues.

...when did this happen? If anything Jessica was an two-timing ass to Shannon because she would act bitchy towards her when Natsuhi was around.

>>6660529
Even if you take teaparty as pure truth, the only thing in teaparty saying yasu would have killed everyone is herself, and she is kind of suicidal in that scene. I myself still belive that teaparty is the closest yet to the truth, but bernkastel cutooff truth is kind of a giveaway.

>>6660506
>>6660560
Y'know, if you go by that bit in the Episode 6 Hidden Tea Party, Yasu is the pawn.

>>6660555
I understand, and I'm giving Kyrie a charitable motivation here, mainly that the terrorists have her daughter.

Even with that, killing Jessica, Maria, and Gohda is about as evil as one can get.

Killing George is evil too, but he sort of brought it on himself. Jessica, Maria, and Gohda are benign at worst and benevolent at their best.

The ONLY way I can justify it is if Gohda and Jessica are evil, but that's a long shot.

>>6660560
Jessica only did that because she had Natsuhi as a mother. She had to put up with a ton of stress with Natsuhi, and it wasn't her fault as much as Natsuhi's.

Jessica is not at fault, she's just attempting to be a loyal daughter. The fact that she drops the facade when Natsuhi is away shows that she is a genuinely good person.

Or a complete sociopath, lol.

>>6660529
he could be refering as how she is half of the cast as "yasu's part of the mistery". Aparently, that is the thing he tought could be solved only with 1-4.

>>6660570

>I understand, and I'm giving Kyrie a charitable motivation here, mainly that the terrorists have her daughter.

Terrorists have kidnapped your daughter.

Are you a bad enough mother to kill 16 people to get your daughter back?

>>6660584
If she was a real friend to Shannon she would've stood up to Natsuhi, or at least wouldn't care what she thought of her.

In fact, if Jessica really did care about being a loyal daughter, she shouldn't have hidden things from Natsuhi. Because she doesn't do this she comes off as bitch. Or a sociopath, like you said.

Either works, really.

>>6660570
the terrorists have her daughter.

wow, where did this theory come from?

Listen OP, the beauty of Umineko at the moment is that it CAN have so many legitimate endings.

There's enough clues for Jessica, Rosa,Kyrie, and even Hideyoshi to be the culprit.

A true chessmaster doesn't follow a single route to victory, but rather makes sure all paths lead to victory.

Or Ryukishi is a hack and this will be the most glorious trainwreck of an ending ever.

>>6660601
Speculation based on the WORLD PEACE stuff involving the Sumaderas, Kyrie's psycho family being introduced for no apparent reason, and Ange not coming to Rokkenjima being a total impossibility in all worlds that apparently Yasu was able to predict in the bottles.

>>6660600
>Standing up to Natsuhi "I throw servants and babies off of cliffs Ushiromiya"

Listen, filial relationships are complicated. Jessica has a heavy burden on her as the heiress, one she kind of resents but bears anyways because despite her parents MANY NUMEROUS flaws she still has respect for them.

With Natsuhi's bitchy attitude it's a miracle Jessica even acts nice to Shannon when she's not around. But Jessica is either a really nice girl or a sociopath, whichever way you dice it it's a result of being raised by such a fucked up family.

>>6660600
You DO remember that this is the same Natsuhi who would lock a five year old Jessica in a closet for hours upon end.

Is it REALLY that shocking for her to act oddly around Natsuhi?

>>6660618
A fucked up family is no excuse.

No really, it's the worse explanation for something like that. It's a cop out.

>>6660626
>locked in a closet
When did that happen?

>They still think that Kyrie is redeemable

laughingwhores.jpg

Anybody who seriously believes that she has a reason outside of lolmoney is fooling themselves. We pretty much got her backstory when we saw her sister. She's an oppertunistic slut who likes to step on other peoples happiness to promise her own.

>>6660627
Are you kidding me? That's Yasu's whole fucking justification, you myopic bastard, and Yasu killed people, all Jessica did was not act like Shannon's BFF when her bitchy mother was around.

Natsuhi and Krauss were both strict as fuck, it's a miracle Jessica turned out as nice as she did.

>>6660570
>The ONLY way I can justify it is if Gohda and Jessica are evil, but that's a long shot.
You weren't here in yesterday's thread were you? A bunch of theories were said that were very interesting about Jessica.

Hey, you know how Kinzo's guns are symbolized by the Siesta's?

Notice how Kyrie's gun didn't work on Eva?

556 was killed by the Black Witch.

Oh yeah, why would Kyrie have to beat the shit out of Jessica with the butt of the gun when she was aiming at her head? And it was even said that Jessica resisted enough to get a hit in (something about a line of Kyrie's saying you'd have to hit harder then that)

So the theory was that Jessica somehow managed to destroy/fuck up the gun's barrel which led to Kyrie's damaged un not managing to shoot straight and kill Eva. But the implication here is that Jessica is the Black Witch.

Well, I might be remembering wrong. I didn't really care much when I read it. But it was interesting.

>>6660638
>it's a miracle Jessica turned out as nice as she did.

>>6660631
No, I think it's supposed to go along with the whole Pass-your-troubles-onto-others theme that was emphasized in EP4 (Rosa to Maria, Eva to Rosa/Ange, Kasumi to Ange). As Kasumi said, originally Kyrie was raised strictly and had it hard, but when she married out of the family Kasumi had to take over. If Kyrie's role switched to Kasumi, Kasumi pretty much went insane, so I don't think it's a longshot to say that Kyrie is just acting out of the pain she'd suffered, which she thought she could get over by hurting others/taking money; her family may have used her the way Kinzo's elders did to Kinzo

>>6660631
Will said the portrayal was missing the heart, I'm inclined to believe him. Kyrie might not be redeemed but there's more to the story.

>>6660638
>Yasu killed people

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>>6660630
Episode 5.

Really, having a murderously insane mother is justification for Jessica's different personas.

>>6660640
Poor 556. Getting killed by Rosa just wasn't enough.

>>6660655
Am I the only one who doesn't really see the big fucking deal about this? It's an hour-long time out, boo hoo.

>>6660662
Siestas are weapons. Rosa never killed her.

>>6660655
On the plus side, Nappi is SO MOE~

>>6660663
The action in and of itself seems just a bit harsh, but the horror sets in when you remember it's Natsuhi doing it.

Chances are it was stricter than a normal punishment.

>>6660627
No, every kid wants their parents aproval. Well, most of them. Jessica might be a bit of a rebel, but she's still a cofused teenager striving to be recognised. It's just that being recognised by her parents involves not geting too close to servants. It's not like she bullied shannon or anything, she just acted distant, like the professional atitude one would usually take with a servant. The proof that she doesn't look down on shannon or anything is that shes friendly when natsuhi's not around. That and she's really bothered by kanon's furniture talk. Maybe it's immature, but i think she would have gotten over it when she grew up a little, jessica is not very condenable.

>>6660640
Oh right, and we know the gun worked before going against Jessica as it worked on Gohda.

Therefore, either Jessica fucked up the gun in there fight, or it simply doesn't work on Eva.

>>6660676
>when you remember it's Natsuhi doing it.
What? No, not really?

Natsuhi snapped once and did a horrible thing as far as Lion went, but I don't see any indications that she was a terrible mother at all. If anything, it's obvious she loves Jessica, would die to protect her, and in Lion's world obviously raised Lion very well and happily.

>>6660667
Did you forget the bit where Rosa breaks one of Maria rabbit toys? The one with the trumpet. It also says in her character profile that 556 played the trumpet.

>>6660691
Natsuhi is well intentioned, but there's enough evidence that she's a bit crazy.

Like, the weekend at Kinzo's thing. She really will justify mostly anything in the name of family honor, and while I'm sure Jessica cares for her, she's still a strict as fuck parent who is a bit nuts.

>>6660688
>Therefore, either Jessica fucked up the gun in there fight, or it simply doesn't work on Eva.
Whoops, meant Eva and Jessica. Alternatively, Kyrie broke the gun bashing Jessica's head in.

>>6660667
>>6660694
Yeah, while the Siestas represent the guns used, their original forms were the four instrument-playing rabbits from that set of ceramic animals that Rosa gave Maria.

>>6660640
but she missed eva before jessica. the gun should be malfuctioning from the beggining. Of course jessica would start fighting after somebody shots at her, even with a miss. Only fat would stay still and wait for the next one. And kyrie is smart enough to realise that smashing somene's face is a more reliable way to kill them with a gun that will only work sometimes.

A is Jessica crazy thread?

>>6660716
Oh, come now, Jessica was probably looking out for Battler.

That or felt like fucking with him.

>>6660704
Natsuhi being a bit unstable and jumped up over honor is a long, long leap from SHE'S AN ABUSIVE MOTHER WHO INFLICTED UNKNOWN HORRORS ON HER DAUGHTER DURING TIME OUT. Lion is perfectly stable and happy after being raised by Natsuhi, and Jessica seems pretty okay asides from frustration at not being able to express herself freely around her parents. Not that unusual for teenage girls.

>>6660715
this would mean that one of the guns is malfuctioning every game. Wich makes sense.

>>6660722
I didn't say horribly abusive, but I do think Jessica is more than justified in acting how she does to Shannon.

Her mom is pretty darn strict, and as a result of being punished from a young age, Jessica knows what causes Natsuhi to go off and avoids it.

>>6660691
No evidence that natsuhi trew lion of a cliff, too. In fact, it's more implied that it really was an accident. She blaming herself might be just guilty consience over her toughts off not wanting the child at the time. The chance that lion survives relying on natsuhi acepting him might mean only that had she been looking after him properly, she wouldn't have let him with a servant.

Ore wa Jakku Baua~

>>6660757
I ACCIDENTALLY A BABY OFF A CLIFF

Seriously? Do remember that the servants hide the fact that Yasu is the baby Natsuhi had out of fear of the incident repeating.

>>6660762
No, the servants hid Yasu out of fear of the incident with KINZO repeating. They were also worried that Natsuhi would wig out over Jessica's position being hijacked, not because they thought Natsuhi would chuck her again.

In fact, Jessica has been portraied as one of the most upstanding individuals as far as values are concerned, so far. She would rather die than kill anyone, she is shocked by the adults greed and think her parents should just lend money, she doesn't want to get in the way of a happy couple to assure her own happines (at least at first). Unless we're being badly tricked, it's hard for me to imagine her having anything to do with the murders.

>>6660757
Actually, Episode 5 said she was pissed off at the baby and so when she and a Servant were out one day she pushed them both off.

>>6660793
> She would rather die than kill anyone
That was her decision as a maiden. But her decision as head of the Ushiromiya family was "Fuck the rules, I have brass knuckles!"

>>6660803
Episode 5
You mean the Episode where she was apparently fucking Kinzo during during the murders and was being outright over antagonized?

>>6660762
All we know is that she gave the baby to a servant, the servant wandered in the forest and fell a cliff. Then natsuhi, who was quiet thinking "dammit, i wish this baby would disapear" hears the thing and goes "OMG I WAS THINKING THAT, I KILLED THE BABY!". She's shown to feel guilty about it in ep5, but she never says she trew the baby. Genji and kumasawa probably tough it was a good chance to get yasu out of kinzo's eyes, and maybe that natsuhi would have been a negligent mother anyway.

>>6660793
meet
>>6660806

As unfortunate as the thought is, if Jessica is the culprit such a choice makes perfect sense.

Jessica is a bit of a foil to Yasu too, in that Jessica uses personas herself. We don't quite know what Jessica would do as the Head of the family.

So it's complicated, to say the least.

From all of this malfunctioning gun stuff, I can see few people have looked past Witch-Hunt's translations. The original characters could have been taken as Siesta or Chiester, and Witch-Hunt went with Siesta, unsure of which to use.
Strangely enough, it's the Fighting Game Spin-Off that has 07th Expansion giving official romanized names for the first time- and, in the game, it's shown to be "Chiester". This pretty much confirms the Chiester - Winchester (Rifle) link, which suggests from the beginning that one of the guns don't work. They'll probably continue being called Siesta by Witch Hunt, however, but keep the Chiester naming in mind.

>>6660822
Well, she WAS a negligent mother, or yasu wouldn't have felt over a cliff. But yeah, i don't think she trew her/him.

>>6660806
She wasn't going to get with her boyfriend dead, bro. She was also talking about saving everyone, not just Kanon. With the cast of Umineko, you should be surprised someone even decided to sacrifice themself for someone else in any way like she decided to.

>>6660839
I know, but remember, her choice was not sacrifice in the end.

I will say that good or evil, Jessica is one of the most practical people in Umineko. "Practical" in this sense means not batshit insane.

>>6660806
The way i see it , that read as "if i had no choice, i'd chose to die, but i think i can save everyone and myself.", while george's awser was "if i had no other choice, i'd kill everyone, but (...)". I think the first is more admirable than the second.

>>6660863
George is an asshat, we know this.

Jessica deserves a fucking medal or at least something, too bad she's a battered corpse.

>>6660881
OUR WAIFU STILL LIVES ON
;_;

>>6660836
we don't need this change on names to get that. That the siestas where representations of guns has been clear ever since they first apeared, sorry. it's the connection to maria toys that some people have been missing. And some people have been teorizing that the gun corresponding to 556 might have broken during the murders, but i think it was already broken before that.

>>6660901
She really doesn't.

Ryukishi focused so much of poor Yasu's plight that he very well may have given Jessica an overly tragic end.

And I won't buy a GOLDEN LAND ending with Kanon-kun either, the man of illusions should fade to illusions.

>>6660910
Yeah, everyone's been talking about how it's prabable that eva and battler, and maybe yasu, survived. But if anyone deserves to survive it's jessica ;_; damn it.

>>6660910
Who knows, maybe Jessica's death was also one of her finest moments.

25%, bra.

>>6660924
maria and gohda too.
i'm not too sure about battler anymore

Ryukishi has some sense of justice, so hopefully Jessica will either be alright, or at least be a villain.

jessica was just a distraction to the truth the entire series. looks like beatrice, the whole THE MOON thing, she dressed up as a witch in EP2.

>>6660947
We're not discussing that. We're talking about her as a character.

>>6660947
She cosplayed. Also, we knew she wasn't Beatrice as early as episode two and as late as episode 5, but we aren't discounting her and her fate merely because she's not Beato.

There's some legitimate questions left, and we want to figure this shit out.

>>6660943
how could she be alright? If she survived the explosion, the only way for her to be alive is by playing dead for 12 years. The same is true for battler. And if R07 is gonna make then both survive, more people probably will, and they need a reason to hide taht long and be such asses to ange.

>>6660965
well, after reviving everyone so many times, i think it would be a very trolling development for everyone to have been dead all along. Yet, everyone being alive all along would be equaly shitty

>>6660968
I'm holding out for Will and Lion to make good on their determination to keep fighting for a miracle. ;_;

Yasu's/our "main" world is probably fucked, though. Best we can do is have Ange pick up the pieces, accept what happened, and move on. If she can avoid getting murdered by Amakusa for world peace, anyway.

>>6660863
George picking the second is an interesting way of showing his character though. I mean, he seems like a standard pushover nice guy.

I was expecting both of them to make the choice of "Themselves"

>>6660925
bra, you say?

>>6660965
everyone decided to play dead to run from their debts, so they exploded the island and ran to south america. They left eva and ange behind because everyone hates them.

>>6660996
Nah, they all realized that being wealthy was cool but responsibility sucked, so they stuck Eva and Ange with the job of earning all the money for them while they blew the profits on hookers and blow.

>>6661002
OH GOD SOME DRAWFAG GET ON THIS.

>>6661002
Now I'm imagining the whole family with Yasu just getting back to the island on a cruise boat, wearing hawaiian shirts and all.

>>6660978
this is too long a story for us to find that after all, it was all about an orphan learning to deal with the fact that her family is not coming back. Ange wasn't even important before ep4. There has to be some kind of closure on the fates of the rokkenjima people, or i'll rage.

>>6660965
If you managed to survive, then the killer[s] might have as well, and they might be looking for you. Remember, not everyone is going to even know who's been shooting people to death when they figure out it's a good time to run. Eva has the advantage of knowing the killers are both dead and having the money card to buy security, which others would be lacking. You can never know for sure that you're safe... especially if you don't know for sure that Eva didn't gun everyone down.

Given the publicity of the incident, you can never do anything that might alert anyone to the fact that you're still alive. Which means all their bank accounts are closed off to you, any business you own is toast, etc. Those on the island would have no access to the hush money like Ange did, and Eva got away with the cash card, so they have to start their savings up again, from scratch, underground enough that no one will find them.

Sucks that Ange thinks her whole family is dead. But if telling her results in the killer, whoever that person might be, knows you exist, that's as good as killing yourself anyway. Do you take the risk? Especially when it's clear that as much as Ange's life sucks, she's still alive, and probably in no physical danger because she doesn't know and would make a great puppet?

>>6661002
"Oh yeah, eva, you always wanted to be family head, didn't you? well, you can have everything that belongs to the Ushiromiya family. That includes the massive debts. And this brat too, you raise her. The gold we're taking with us, since it's not really part of the inheritance. We'll send you a postal."

>>6661014
Personally, I'd be pretty much okay with Lion + Ange and Eva reconciling being our good end. Will can stick around and be Lion's butler or something, not like he's got anything to do anymore in Heaven Like the other person said, everyone just happily surviving wouldn't feel right anymore either...

>>6661034
Now we know why Eva was so depressed. And it wasn't because shotguns are awesome.

>>6661002
Alright, we need to see someone draw this.

>>6661027
But if anyone thinks eva might be the killer, wouldn't they think ange is in danger? Well, that can work for anyone that doesnt care much about ange, but battler (and rudolph and kyrie, if you think they're not the killers) would be an ass for hiding and leaving her alone. Everyone in the real world already suspects eva, it shouldn't be hard for him to go to the police or something. Surely there are witnesses protection programs to very rich people. Or maybe "kidnapping ange", or something like that. And if you don't think the killer is eva, hiding makes even less sense. If the killer was around, he would have gone for her first, wouldnt he? her being alive proves it's safe to appear.

>>6661037
It wouldn't, but it wouldn't feel right for the tragic dead to not get their respects.

Jessica, for example, needs closure.

>>6661068
where's sroedinger when we need him/her?

>>6661086
Sroedinger's dead since long. Or is he/she?

>>6661086
Snorting blow with the rest of the Ushiromiyas, I bet.

>>6661092
no he posted a comic on something someone said here yesterday

>>6661052
And battler is now about to spoil the whole thing with his "no bad people" talk. After he tells her they've all been on a 12 year vacation, ange will flip out and kill everyone.
The killer is ange, i solved umineko

Something is bothering me.
Episode 7 almost said" If Shannon and Kanon are called at the same time the detective will lose".
WHY?

>>6661092
Schrödinger's.... sroendinger?

>>6661142
Because a logic error would occur and shit would go out of hand.

>>6661072
Ange doesn't know anything. There's much less reason to kill her than anyone else.

And if you haven't encountered the killer face to face (ie, you stumbled across a bunch of corpses or heard gunfire, ran like hell, got lucky or knew where to go anyway), you have no way of knowing life or death status. Since Eva survived, it looks like her if you don't know for sure.

(I'm more talking from the perspective of someone who doesn't know for sure. Although I think it's possible that the killer varies among worlds.)

Even if you know the killer's identity: Eva has the money to buy as much security as she wants. (And she quite clearly did.) All the other adults are either servants or in debt already.

I mean, it's a shitty thing to do, but most of these people don't seem to care about nice.

Kinda like your own work, huh R09?

>>6661142
If Will sees Shannon and Kanon together, he can't solve the game.

>>6661142
That kinda bothers me too. Shouldn't that be a good move, since, you know, it's a hint toward all the shit going on with the Yasu clown car?

It's easy to start a plot all MYSTERIOUS LIKE, pretend the solution is something awesome and keep everyone guessing. It's litterally the simplest thing in the world as a writer.

Problems arise when it's time to deliver the truth. Ryukishi failed in Higurashi, and he will fail in Umineko. I don't understand why you fags even doubt that, it WILL happen.

>>6661186
Will asking Shannon to call Kanon was a good move. Shannon refusing to do it was the hint he got in return. If he forced things and made Shannon and Kanon appear together in front of him, though, the game would have been rendered unsolvable.

>>6661189
That's why he isn't delivering the truth.
OPEN END, remember?

>>6661170
but is that even possible? I thought that if he went on, the only thing that would happen is that he would find that kanon is shanon. wich is kinda the point.

>>6661201
Remember, when Shannon was going nuts, one of the things she said was "I can call him for you specially, but..."

Will has the detectives eye in ep7 right?
So seeing shannon and kannon together shouldn't be possible in the first place.

Seeing "shannon" and "kannon" together would basically be shannon start talking like kannon, right?

Seems to me that would be far more damaging to the game master than the detective.

>>6661198
any shitty answer is bether than open end. Opend end is... there's not a word bad enugh for open end. PLEASE TELL ME CHOICES DOESNT MEAN "CHOSE YOUR OWN END". Its my last bit of hope...

>>6661034

>>6661207
That didn't give the air of calmly telling your opponent you're about to go into check to me. It looked more like she was trying to prevent him from putting her right into check. She seemed like she was trying to say everything to dissuade him from getting him to do something that would destroy her facade. "I can't because, because, because... well I can, but..." sounds more like "PLEASE DON'T DO THIS TO ME" than "it's going to destroy your chances of winning".

I guess I'm just nitpicking, though.

>>6661228

>>6661216
and yet, yasu and bern both seem to want will to solve this. so it shouldn't damage anyone, really. It's really fishy...

>>6661234

>>6661216
If it was just Will's request, it would have been fine, Shannon could have kept making excuses.

The problem was that Will was threatening to use his authority to force her to do it. Though who knows what that would have entailed.

I pretty much took it as "if you see Shannon and Kanon together, you disqualify yourself as a detective/reliable viewpoint, and can't solve the game".

>>6661228
Oh god, i love you xD thanks for screenifing this. the last bit is awesome too. how didn't they think of solving the whole love duel with FOURSOME?

>>6661254
I do what I do for my own amusing. Not yours faggot.

>>6661142

No, you read the scene wrong. Will realized that he'd expose the whole thing if he pressed the issue, and backed off because it would have done it 'without heart' and without giving anyone a chance to explain themselves.

>>6661198

So avoiding the bullet makes him somehow better ? That's terrible. Good thing I dropped this.

why are all the ushiromiyas incompetent?

seriously that fucking tea party and that fucking pony

>>6661259
Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

>>6661257
but that doesn't fit with what the screen is saying.

>>6661255
aww, don't be shy. i know you love me too.

>>6661254
>xD
Get. Out.

>>6661216
There was no GM for ep7

>>6661295
oops, my bad.

Jessica's soul is probably pissed the fuck off.

>>6661261
What was incompetent about them in the tea party?

>>6661332
why?
other than being a soul, of course.

Anyone else think Battler arriving in a white suit was a subconscious replacement for the horse? And yes, I am grasping at straws.

>>6661343
Being killed for jew gold would probably clinch it.

>>6661348
I don't think you can really get away from the fact that Battler really did forget like a douche. His outfit seems to be another Kinzo parallel (white suit, red shirt) if anything.

>>6661320
Ahh yes...
My point still stands though.

>>6661352
Yeah I agree. I just thought it was kind of neat to think about.

>>6661332
Won't blame her soul for it.

Least she didn't fade gently into the night.

But the question remains... who WAS Battler's birth mother?

>>6661374
Kyrie. Duh.

>>6661374
Ange

>>6661373
Considering that Eva locks away the truth, yes, yes she did.

>>6661377
So she just lied about having a miscarriage?

>>6661374
Kuwadorian Beatrice.

>>6661386
Oh, I don't mean it in how she was remembered.

It's just slightly comforting to know that her last moments were that of resistance as opposed to questioning.

>>6661377
Am I the only one who thinks Kyrie and Asumu delivering at the exact same day is both fishy and ridiculous? unless Kyrie had been stalking Asumu for so long they shynched, or something...

>>6661493
In my mind, when Kyrie found out Asumu was pregnant, she got pregnant by sheer force of will. And then when Asumu was delivering her child, she made herself have a baby by sheer willpower. This gave a perfect excuse for a miscarriage/stillbirth/whatever. But BABYSWITCH. (Is BABYSWITCH still the current theory?)

>>6661507
Well, the theory is still out there that there is another Battler kicking, and in fact the Asumu Kyrie thing is one of the final mysteries.

>>6661493
Maybe asumu was never pregnant to begin with, and just stole battler.
i'm not saying this very seriously, just in case...

>>6661555
Nah, red text says that Asumu had a child named Battler.

Stillborn is the most we can get, and I doubt even that.

>Everyone calls Eva a hero after episode 7
>Tea Party
>She shoots first
>She suggests blowing the whole place up

>>6661539
There's not much basis for that theory, really. It's just that the way battler not being asumus son was revealed seemed like it was a huge part of the mistery, and the awser to that being that his mother is kyrie and the miscariage was asumus is a bit too obvious and boring. So people are trying too find anything else. I don't think there's any room for doubt anymore, though.

>>6661493
In EP 6 Kyrie said that they both got pregnant around the same time. Kyrie just has irregular menstrual cycles that she didn't realize it until after Asumu told Rudolf.

so Rudolf is a two timing man whore. What else is new?

>>6661588
It's mostly for hiding the truth from ange, i think. There was a whole lot of spoiler misunderstanding involved, too. Eva is in no way a hero. Yet, in her defense, i must say that she dugested exploding the place after everyone was safe. And that the first shot might really have been an acident.

>>6661593
even if two girls got pregnant the very same day, pregnancy time is variable. Delivering at the same day is a contrived coincidence. Makes for a very convenient baby switch scenario, though. A very contrived coincidence that can only be explained by plot-device reasons, and that's cheap. Or by not being truth at all, but i think it's the first.

>>6661575
if you doubt stillborn what is left?

>>6661189
This so hard. Look at LOST and how shit that was and how everyone who watched that garbage got trolled.

>>6661663
yeah, but everyone knew they started lost without planing the end. Ryou suposedly knew it all along, and has been droping hints from the beggining. That said, i'm trying not to hope for too much, soo i won't get disapointed.

>>6661701
well, the thing is, when someone's writing something that spans a lot of diferent theories, people who got it wrong will inevitably be annoyed when the answer comes out. It doesn't make the work "bad", it's just that there are a lot of childish people out there. They should know this kind of story is not for them. It's only bad if there are no clues at all.

>>6661663
Except we pretty much got all the answers in EP7. Honestly, I don't know what answers you guys are still waiting for in EP8, the only thing that's left is probably Battler's birth, his fate and Ange's tale in 1998

>>6661732
Motive still isn't clear unless you want to accept "Yasu is crazy" as a motive. Whether the murders were real or fake ones that got hijacked isn't clear either. R07 said he won't be spending any more time on the motive so I have to wonder if he knows himself. Get ready for disappointment.

>>6661732
25% is left. Imagine what you could do with 25% red truths.

>>6661732
No if you acept everything until now not even that's left. Battler's mom is kyrie, and ange dies in rokkenjima killed by amakusa. The very fact that there is EP8 is enough to be doubtful. Not to mention ep7 ????. There are somethings that don't quite fit. And the whole thing is lacking in closure.

>>6661745
He said he wouldn't spend anymore time on yasu's motives. If shes not the killer, she doesn't need any more motives.

>>6661745
Motive is clear enough for me.

>Whether the murders were real or fake ones that got hijacked isn't clear either.
It got hijacked before Yasu even got a chance to fake/real murder people. The fact remains that she didn't kill anyone.

>R07 said he won't be spending any more time on the motive so I have to wonder if he knows himself
sauce?

I'm in progress of reading ep7. Can someone please explain how, if Lion, Kannon and Shannon are the same person, Will is able to see Shannon? She shouldn't exist at all in the world when Lion exists, should she?

>>6661775
unknown. someone posted this last thread:

Some points made in an inteview about EP8

It was BT who wanted Lucifer to have long black hair
So far 75% of the truth has been revealed
EP8 will touch on the definition of red truth through Battler and Ange
Will was put into the story because Ryu-chan though that people wouldn't trust the truth coming from Battler's mouth, since he is still a suspect
The 07th staff know the the genders of Zepar and Furfur
Although he was called "Itomimizu" online, the 07th staff called Will "Jalapeno"
Claire is like the mystery man in all black that you see in mystery manga and anime
Young Kinzo's design was based off of Natsume's drawing
The Taiwan theory was correct
Kinzo may be glorifying his story of when he met Beatrice
Bern might have been saying "This is the truth...or at least, I'd like it to be"
Ryu-chan has no intention of talking any more about Yasu's motive in EP8. Read EP7
EP8 will have Ange as an extremely important main character
Also Amakusa shows up
It will be completely different from the approach Ryu-chan went for in Matsuribayashi-hen
There may be choices


but ignored requests for link. I say it's bull.

>>6661782
if you read a bit forward, you'll see will figuring that this is not a proper rality, but a "patchowork" of realities made by bern.

don't think too much about it, you'll just get a headache.

>>6661795
I'd say it's bull too, I don't see any post on 2ch talking about it

>>6661800
So is that it, "Don't think about it", is this the message of EP7? Don't look at story as a whole, only look at these parts I'm showing you.

Actually, how were we supposed to figure out the riddle before ep7 if the very key to it, the word quadrillion was never mentioned before? He said we could do it after ep4, what a joke.

>>6661814
I take the last part back, quadrillion was actually mentioned in ep4.

>>6661814
Didn't Japan solved the epitaph before EP7

>>6661814
>>6661834
Wasn't the "quadrillion" thing mentioned back when they first looked at the chapel in Episode 2?

>>6661775
See pic, motive is not good enough. EP7 didn't make it any less shitty. It doesn't fit with battlers reaction.

>>6661880
not this shit again

>>6661880
well, he did forgive beato at game 3 with just a bit of pouting.

>>6661927
why is it shit?
>>6661886
in game 3 he's under the assumption everyone will come back to life.

>>6661775
If the motive is clear to you maybe you can enlighten me as to

-How the murders/fake murders are supposed to help Beatrice sort out her love life in the first place?

-Why if the game is supposed to be a roulette to choose her fate does she let Battler live until the end every time?

I still don't understand one of the fundamental aspects of this series.

WHERE THE FUCK DID META-BATTLER COME FROM?

While playing episode 2 I assumed that meta-battler was piece-battler from the first game, having ascended to player status, but it quickly became obvious that this was not the case. So how the fuck did meta-battler come to be? You know, assuming the meta-world actually exists and all.

>>6661942
well, if the murders are fake, battler would have to figure out she is the one playing part of the culprit, and since she knows how much he cares about the whydunnit, a contrived and roundabout way to try and make him remember his promise and such. Battler himself complains it was a real roundabout message she was sending. That could be a test of sort, if he managed to figure it out and apologised, she would pick him. Otherwise, she would go with george. poor jessica never had a cance, i guess.
If the murders are real it doesn't make any sense, since she would be spoiling any chance she had with any of them.

>>6661880
Realization of truth: She didn't kill anyone, she covered the crueler truth by taking all the blame, she suffered 1000+ years waiting for Battler, it's part of Battler's fault for forgetting promise or George's fault for hiding letter, and that everyone is already dead.

inb4 SHE HAS THE INTENT TO KILL, THAT'S AS BAD AS COMMITTING THE MURDER

I really don't see how this is a big deal when it seems like Battler already forgave his own family... who did the actual murder.

>George's fault for hiding letter
Why does people keep saying this? Theres no indication of Battler sending Shanon a letter. Or is there something and I just missed it?

>>6661975
I am the only one who thinks the idea that she convinced everyone to play dead is creepier than the idea that she killed everyone? is that supposed to be romantic? If, after being scared shitless by the serial murder going aroud, everyone got up and said "fooled yah!!" to me, i'd punch everyone, leave the family, and never ever get near this crazy chick who came up with the idea.

>>6662004
i'ts just that kyrie handed him the envelope and he was the one distributing the letters. Knowing how george had his eyes set on yasu ever since then, and that he was extremely jealous of battler, people just assume that he picked yasus letter along with his and hid it. The letters only came three years after the promise, so it doesn't make battler any less of an ass.

>>6662012
Well, she and Battler fell in love by bonding over murder mysteries. Battler bitched about not enough murder mysteries focusing on the heart, and bragged about how if he was in a murder mystery he'd search for the heart about all else.

Yasu just took him at his word.

>>6661942
>-Why if the game is supposed to be a roulette to choose her fate does she let Battler live until the end every time?
Well first, it's fiction
Second, the tales are to help Battler reach the truth. And he can't reach it if he dies early, can he?

Besides, Battler is left last in the actual massacre anyways

>>6662012
Not like Battler doesn't participate in the fake murders in 5 and 6 himself.

>>6662036
but she shouldnt know that is she wrote the bottles beforehand...

>>6662052
We don't even know if it's beforehand or afterwords.
Chances are it's afterwards, considering how the bottle has Maria's jawbone in it.

>>6662064
>considering how the bottle has Maria's jawbone in it.
what

no

the police found the piece of maria's jaw on the scene

>>6662071
ah, I remembered it wrong, my bad

>>6661975
But at the end of the game Beatrice just kills everyone anyway unless the epitaph is solved. No matter who wins the roulette they won't live happily ever after because of the bomb. So what on earth is Beatrice's motive supposed to be again?

>>6662064
now, you're just proving you didn't read the thing right. Maria's jawbone was never inside any bottle.

>>6662036
if it's just fiction, it doesn't matter when battler dies. If he's reading the whole thing, it doesn't matter wheater he's the first or last victiom, since he survived anyways.

>>6662034
Battler didn't fall in love, only Yasu did. He just had a crush on her, but he never took it seriously.

>>6662093
Sure, change it to "they bonded over murder mysteries" if you want. It amounts to basically the same thing as far as how Yasu was thinking of how to reach out to Battler.

>>6662081
You didn't read that. I said it only makes sense if noone is really dead. of course, people die in the end because someone else takes advantage off the situacion, but if you think that yasu never planed to kill anyone, than it makes sense as some kind of test. If she did plan to kill everyone, than yeah, it makes no sense.

So, then again, why was Yasu all lifeless and cold-blooded and ready to kill everyone if they didn't solve the epitaph? Because of that "betting everything on the roulette" thing mentioned earlier? She just got fed up on everything?

>>6662082
>If he's reading the whole thing
Bottle is for the rest of the world to read, to hide the truth in the cat box. And Battler is the detective in the tale, detectives don't die early

>>6662107
So how exactly does she pick between George Jessica and Battler if they aren't actually murdering people? Episode 6 showed them committing crimes to prove themselves, if this is fake then they must be competing in some other way.

It is a little weird. It's like Yasu was guaranteeing she had no future no matter what the outcome was. People solve the epitaph before she goes to work? Admitting she planned to kill them all pretty much destroys her chance of a happy future. Actually starting to kill people destroys her future too.

>>6662107

to acept that >>6662120 , you have to go by the idea that not everything in teaparty is completely true. Otherwise, it's pretty much as you said. "Oh, i don't know wich guy(and girl) to choose from. How do i solve that? i Know, i'll just kill myself and everyone else in this island."

A PONY! A PONY!

MY SANITY FOR A PONY!

>>6662125
Well, considered the whole mistery thing is pretty much tailored for battler, it seems likely that hes the only one at test. If he solves it he wins, if he loses someone else wins. Probably george.

>>6662148
i lold

>>6662148
NO PONY FOR YOU

BUT YOU CAN HAVE SOME DESIRE IF YOU WANT

>>6662137

My question in >>6662120 was completely unrelated to the conversation you guys were having though since I just got in the thread. It's a genuine doubt I have from all that happened in ep7, since pretty much everything else is quite straightforward and crude.

>>6662120
> She just got fed up on everything?
Most likely.

>>6662125
>Episode 6 showed them committing crimes to prove themselves
By killing them in the fantasy aspect.

>>6662158
well, i still answered it, didn't i? not to say i'm sure, but it's how i interpret it, if the killings are fake. It's a message for battler, so he's the only one being tested.

So who was the original

Was it Yasu, was it Shannon? Because it really seemed to me like it was Shannon.

>>6662164
In which case that would make the whole EP6 trial a big fat red herring and Battler is the only one being tested. It might fit but I don't buy it personally. It smells like R07 has fucked up his motive.

>>6662172
Dawn

Banquet
Alliance
Turn
Twilight
Legend
End
Requirm

D BATTLER

Dear Battler

>>6662191
The EP6 thing was a clue as to what happened in the "love duel" Yasu held before Battler came back. It ended in Shannon's victory because her relationship with George was stroner than Kanon's with Jessica, and Battler was still gone.

>>6662189
It was Yasu. Yasu then said good bye to life and turned into Beatrice instead so Shanon recieved the honor of main host. Atleast thats my theory.

>>6662189
Yasu. Shannon was originally Yasu's imaginary friend.

>>6662158
Actually i'm the one who answered that O.o i just meant that the scene you're talking about really implies she went kamikaze, but if you put that at doubt, then there's the much more decent situation where shes neither suicidal nor homicidal, but coordinating a fake, game-like murder mistery in order to send a message to battler. So, it's either a senseless suicidal move like shown, or a lie.

>>6662189
Yasu was the original.

Yasu made up Shannon to be her friend and Gaap to be Beatrice. She then made Shannon her human self and Clair (or Beatrice at the time) her witch self. Clair then made Kanon, while Shannon gave Clair her love for Battler.

Shannon's love for Battler + Concept of Beatrice/Clair = Incomplete Beatrice (appeared as Eldertrice)

Then Yasu solved the epitaph as the Incomplete Beato and became the Beatrice we all know. Beatrice dies in EP 5 and Battler creates Moetrice.

>>6662200
The love trial was between jessica and george, battler left, remember? And gerge won. But latter on, she goes after battler and marries him anyway. it makes metaphorical sense.

>>6662224
Yeah, again, it's alluding to what happened when Clair is saying "There was a duel, and a result", and Will talking about how if Battler had been there, the result would have been different.

Yasu tried to settle her identity/relationships before Battler came back, and "Shannon" won because Kanon was a weaker identity and Battler was missing. What happened in EP6 is just a reflection of that.

Then Battler unexpectedly came back the year after and threw her feelings out of whack again.

>>6662214
Clair is just the name of a blanket Bern put on Yasu just so Shkanontrice denialfags can continue their pointless attempts at culprit theories.

>>6662230
you know, part of me hates george. but part of me kind of feels bad for him. He's like, yasus replacement goldfish who never stood a chance... At least jessica isn't as serious in her crush thing.

>>6662208
So if you go with the latter, one would have to assume that everything she said about carrying out murders of each and every one of them and coldly shove that on their faces like it was perfectly normal to kill them was just a test for Battler to remember?

>>6662232
i sure hope we'll at least get to see how yasu really looks like in ep8...

>>6662241
George would have won completely if Battler returned in 1987 instead of 1986

>>6662250
Why? It's been bothering me quite a bit. Why is the year so important? I know it is, but I constantly fail to grasp the reason. Or are you just saying it because that's exactly what they say and you don't really know why either?

>>6662244
i meant that the scene as a whole is a lie, not that she was lying to the adults. because that would be kind of suicidal. I can't see a reason for that.

>>6662258
In 1985 she wouldn't have fully accepted George, and wouldn't have had a problem being with Battler.
In 1987 she would have been married to George and over Battler.

>>6661961
>While playing episode 2 I assumed that meta-battler was piece-battler from the first game, having ascended to player status, but it quickly became obvious that this was not the case
It's the other way round. Battler was meta-battler's piece in the first episode already, and meta-Battler was created so he could listen to and understand Beatrice's riddle (though he doesn't know she's his opponent until the first tea party), just like how a meta-Ange is later created so she can listen to Aurora's version.

>>6662258
it's because a year latter, she would have been married to george already, and battler coming back wouldn't be enough to change her mind. If he came a year before, she wouldn't be serious enough about george, and battler would win right away.

>>6662258
For one, her feelings would have settled down, Kanon and Beatrice personalities would probably have disappeared completely.
Second, Shannon was planning on leaving the island. So even if Battler returns in 1987, she has already left.

>>6662258
Simple.

After a year of being engaged to George, she would have stuck with him rather then going for her old love.

Conversely, if Battler had returned a year earlier to her, she would have gone with him instead.

>>6662272
So what was the significance of Beatrice being on d8?

>>6662265
>>6662270
>>6662272
Oh, I always assumed that, I just thought somewhere around that, there was an even deeper meaning to it. Like everything in this shit seems to have a deeper meaning.

For example: the meaning of why Rudolf said in EP1 that he somehow knew he might die/get killed.

>>6662278
Lion, maybe? idk

>>6662272
>>6662270
>>6662265
>>6662273

I don't swallow that. I figure some cheating sheaningans would go around eventualy, when they met. But i might be getting into fanfiction mode, so don't mind me.

>>6662278
What does that have to do with my post?

>>6662278
>>6662287
wat?

>>6662292
Nah, I think Yasu would have been true to sticking to George if things had come to that. But it doesn't really matter, I guess.

>>6662281
i think he wasn't talking in the litteral sense. it was just "oh, they're going to kill me when i tell them that kyrie is battles real mother..."
i still don't know why he chose that day to tall about that, but it's probably just plot-device to provide the dramatic misunderstandable sentence and foreshadowing to ep4

>>6662200
Makes sense I suppose. I'll accept this as an answer until ep8 releases, it should be obvious if Beatrice had the intent to murder or not by the end of episode 8.

I'm still pissed because it seems like NOTHING has appeared to explain the meta-world. Not Meta-Battler, not Knox and her group, not Auau, not Bern or 34, or Will. Hell, even Ange from 1998. None of it makes sense. Am I just supposed to assume that it just...is? I can't settle for that.

What does /jp/ think of that Battler = Will theory? Any merit to it at all?

>>6662308

>>6662281 here. I think her whole commitment with George is still fishy. She sounds and seems way colder towards George's affection than how she sounded when she was around Battler. Like someone said before, I think she's just settling, like she doesn't even care about George really.

That's why I thought this should be kinda related to how soulless she sounds when talking to the other siblings in the room with the gold.

Maybe anyways. Dunno really, I may have been stretching this thing and it's not really anything important.

>>6662324
iirc, ryu said that tough he had already settled a lot of things, there a los of THINGS (in katakana, like meta-names and such) to settle in ep8, so we migh still get a clear answer on that.

>>6662324
You are going to be disappointed. The meta was created because R07 wanted to discuss his own story and bring in red text.

>>6662333
Way to ruin triplets. I forgot to spoiler everything after my own quote post and now it's all green.

>>6662313
I don't know...judging from EP7, it's possible that Kyrie would murder Rudolf when the truth is revealed

>>6662324
Uh, it's magic duh.

Just because magic wasn't involved with the whole murder thing, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in the world of When they Cry. The very nature of the endlessly repeating time loops REQUIRES a supernatural element to them.

It's actually an interesting theme in Ryukishi07's stories. The fact that in the end, ordinary humans have more influence over their fates and the world then gods and witches etc.

>>6662337
oh, he left the fantasy proto-metaworld aspect of higurashi pretty much unaswered. unless you see umineko as a kind of spiritual sequel to higurashi that will expando on that, then it's safe to say that he won't explain much about it.

>>6662354
but if everything has been fiction, it's not really time loops, is it?

>>6662333
I think that's because George is pretty self-centered in their relationship and always rambles about his ideal future with Shannon with tons of babies. Which is impossible for Shannon to grant him.

George isn't Yasu's ideal future. George fell for Shannon, the shy, sweet, inoffensive meido, not Yasu as she really is, full of life, imagination, cleverness, and loving her share of pranks and trolling. That's part of why the dilemma of Battler and George was painful to her, I think. George was the "safe" option with all the good and bad connotations of that.

But I think once she had made a clear decision about it she would have stuck to it. But that's more my belief about Yasu's character than anything about the quality of she and George's relationship, so.

Don't think about the meta-world too hard. You'll just get a headache.

>>6662354
But magic WAS involved with the whole murder thing. What you see is what you get. Will and Battler are just assholes trying to make everything seem mundane. Magic exists Uuuu~!

>>6662366
Remember Lambda's TIP? She was blown away by Yasu's "magic" because she was able to manifest possibilities, which should only be the ability of a witch, in the human world as a human. Because of the catbox.

I don't think Beatrice's "Fragments" and Bern/Lambda/Higurashi-style "Fragments" are quite the same thing. Beato is a normal Witch while Bern/Lambda are Voyagers, and the "normal Witch" definition means Beato is the master of a single Fragment. She was just able to weave countless Fragments out of it anyway because of catbox.

>>6662375
Someone wants to have their shit slapped.

The Ange-Lion theater gave me some hilarious vibes despite its seriousness.

They're trapped in a theater and forced to watch horrible things. They try to keep their sanity with the help of their robot friends.

>>6662398
>They try to keep their sanity with the help of their robot friends.
You lost me, is this a parody of some show?

>>6662354
Meta-world is the worst can of worms of umineko. I kind of gave up thinking about it by now, and i'll wait to see if ep8 sheds some light on the thing. Personally, i still want to belive that metaworld is like higurashi in that sense, and that magic does exist even though it's not conected to the murders and that umineko and higurashi are connected trough more than name and fanservice. But when you take the fact that the games are most likely fiction that never happened, it looks like metaworld is just a embelished acount off battler reading the bottles post rokkenjima explosion. But then you have lambda and bernkastel and... argh, i give up.

So, uh, maybe I missed this, but do we ever find out what happens to Battler in Ep 7's Tea Party? I don't remember him getting killed, but at the end Bern declares that the only one who survived was Eva. Or is that going to be explained in Ep 8?

>>6662435
there's this theory that battler survived, because everytime he dies in the games his status shows as "missing", and most of them aren't much clear on what happened to him. Of course, you could also say that rudolph wondering why he was taking so long and eva showing up right after is a sign that she killed him on her way.

>>6662189
Shannon must be the original, if only because it's her official name.

When the baby just got to the orphanage it was nameless and nothing was known about her family. She probably got the name Sayo Yasuda. However, her "blessed", work name, that Fukuin gives to all the servants must be Shannon. You can change personalities in your head at will and decide to be whoever you want, but it won't work with other people, like Natsuhi or Jessica. It's Shannon, who's been working there for 10 years. They don't know any Yasu. Yasu is just a nickname that other servants from Fukuin gave her. Then at some unknown point, for some reason, she began to associate herself with that name and her "blessed" name became the name of her ideal figure. Maybe she felt unworthy of it, because of her clumsiness or something.

>>6662453
no, eva came from the passage behind the catedral, and rudolph was in front of it, she couldn't have met battler on her way. Even then, why would she kill him? And if battlers alive, then ep8 has to show a damn good reason for why he's been hiding for 12 years...

>>6662462
the way the ushiromiyas have been calling proves nothing, they all have been saying she has a little brother called kanon too. If anything, i think they call her some other blessed name we haven't seen yet. It would be weird for her to construct this imaginary friend who is perfect and give her her own name.

>>6662477
It's not that weird. She displaced the "blessed name" from herself and in her head assigned it to her ideal, imaginary friend while internalizing the derogatory nickname the other servants gave her.

Regardless, what is portrayed as "Yasu" to us is the original persona, even though her servant name was Shannon the whole time.

>>6662491
oh. ok, you convinced me.

>>6662418
Bernakstel is just any investigators and detectives. All detectives and people who try to find the truth in the games are her pieces. The talk shows and tabloids who explore any possibility, no matter how dirty it is. We, theorists, are all her pieces too.

Lambda is somehow connected to money and gold. She made Beato a witch. She gave Takano power to become a god (she received large amount of money from her stepfather). Money are earned by hard work and/or strong determination.

>>6662465


I'm still pretty sure Battler is Amakusa.

So basically, all the magical mythology is just misdirectional bullshit to allegorize Yasu's shitty life. So therefore all the meta stuff is mostly allegorical representations of the darkness and confusion of the events on the island... personally, I don't even think the true events have even happened yet in a manner of speaking. Hell it's entirely possible that the Battler we've met is just the fictional ace detective Yasu fantasized about. Not to mention since we now have background of the tunnels and secret mansions and shit and Yasu has access to them, The whole closed island deal falls flat. There's not only the sub cavern to enter as well as Kuwadorian's dock, but also a secret mansion where our murderer could have brought food and supplies to chill at. The 18 people thing? kill someone who arrived early and take their place or whatever. Because of the new information from this game, there's a bunch of ways to change stuff.

Also Bern's a lying cunt. I hope Lambda rapes her good when this is all over.

>>6662524
I don't think Battler was participating in the massacre of Hinamizawa three years before Umineko, although that might explain why he forgot to write Shannon a letter!

>>6662562
>the Battler we've met is just the fictional ace detective Yasu fantasized about
I don't think he'd be such a moronic failure if that was the case.

If anyone's an idealized ace detective Yasu fantasized about, it's Will.

Okay I'm at the theater chapter 2. How long is this?

>>6662581
You're complaining about Umineko's length? Did you not read the other episodes or something?

Also, you're maybe halfway done. At best.

>>6662524
So, Battler would ultimately kill Ange to achieve world piece?

How does that even work I wonder.

>>6662571

Then maybe he's a fantasy as well. Maybe Lion in Lion Land is just another fantasy of Yasu's hope for escaping his murder he feels forced into.

>>6662632
*World peace.

Holy shit, 6AM is really affecting me now, I'll go to sleep.

captcha: society herpress

Herp indeed captcha, herp indeed.

>>6662562
>Fanfiction to Allegorize Yasu's shitty life

Yasu confirmed for Chris-chan

What the fuck happened here? I guess I am okay with Lambda's trollface because she looked fucked up in the original too. But what the fuck, Bern? That is nowhere near close to the original. Did the artist even try? She looks cocky and snide, not batshit insane and demented, WHAT THE HELL

I am okay with this though.

>>6662768
Beato... Battler...

;____;

sprite rips when?

>>6662795
Has anyone even uploaded the game yet? Not seeing it on any of the usual sites.

>>6662795

Where you gettin' these? Man, I am dying to see certain scenes with voice acting... that thumbnail with crazy Eva looks kind of retarded.

>>6662795
Never, get over it.

Fucking Kyrie, goddamn

>>6662806

http://loda.jp/when_they_cry_3/?gal=1

there are are some here and i found others on a chinese forum

>>6662821
I'm okay with this

Was Battler in 1980 a different person than the current Battler? They never showed his sprite during the flashbacks.

>>6662371
You know, I never saw it this way.

But you kind of have a point. George even kinda admits he is being selfish in his pursuit of Shannon. While it's not exactly bad, it drove him to better himself, in the end he only fell in love with a PART of her.

>>6662835
Even if we think of George as the "safe" option, it's probably not so safe after all when you take into account Yasu's body/gender problems which got sprung on her after she started the relationship.

When/if it finally came to the point when Yasu would have had to tell George that she can't have children/fulfill his dream future/has at least a partial male gender identity, would George still have accepted her? I'm honestly not sure, which is kind of sad.

>>6662849
I'd like to think that he's be OK with it.

I mean, the guy was willing to fight his own mom to the death over her.

>>6662866
Yeah but Yasu presumably can't have kids. Or is male.

Either way, everytime plans for the future are discussed, the first word out of George's mouth is "Kids". Finding out the girl you're planning to marry is barren/has (or had) a penis might be a rather rude surprise. George seems like he might be a person who snaps when years worth of carefully laid plans suddenly explode in his face. And there's plenty of powder in the Yasu keg.

>mfw Amakusa is actually Yasu

it make more sense.

>>6662893
Yasu is just a coward.
Not being able to have kids isn't the end of the word, if she at least tried to talk about this with George rather than doing her roulette bullshit

>>6662945
You can call her a coward, which I think she was aware of herself, since you saw Kanon guilt-tripping Shannon about it all the time, but I think it's also understandable why she'd be scared to tell him.

You can't blame things on a so called roulette.

If that was the case then you might as well argue that this little fellow was a-ok.

>>6663026
Oh, Kyrie
You're kind of insane

>>6662834
They never show anyone in younger form because he doesn't want to draw new sprites. Except for Shannon/Yaus because the whole story would be extravagantly awkward without it.

What I'm curious in is, the few red flashes before Berun showed Lion his death. I saw "Steal the Italians' gold? Are you crazy, Ushiromiya!?" and wanted to fucking cry

>>6663086
I wouldn't put it past Kinzo

>>6663086
>I saw "Steal the Italians' gold? Are you crazy, Ushiromiya!?" and wanted to fucking cry
This, what the fuck. This is pretty much the only thing in episode 7 that surprised me, I already knew everything else from spoilers and reading with TA.

Tell me it isn't true ;_;

>>6662834
What a stupid theory. Beatrice is well aware Battler is Battler, she is just so delusional she wants to think he isn't because he doesn't remember his sin.

To be honest, stealing the gold seems to be the best option. They are stuck in the cave, shit life and all. Splitting the gold between themselves would change a hell lot (Kinzo knows connections, that's why he was able to link up with GHQ. Just knowing English wouldn't do that). He wanted a change in life (or the lack of it), that's why he went to army as engineer/labourer.

>>6663103
She wasn't being delusional. She knew he was Battler but was making shit up to force him out of the game.

>>6663130
It makes sense. But after going through his cute little romance with Bice and overcoming the greed of the other soliders, it's just fucking heartbreaking.

On top of that, he probably just kidnapped Bice and raped her then fucked the daughter and he's actually an asshole after all.

;_;

>>6663099
I don't get it.I thought Kinzo was just lucky that the Italians and the Japanese are killing each other?I haven't finished EP7.

>>6663149
Ah, dude, don't read this then.

Once you read the Tea Party you'll get what we mean. Sorry about spoiling.

>>6663147
I think he really loved Bice. Doesn't mean he wasn't more of a cunt about the gold than he's convinced himself/made himself out to be, though.

>>6663147
The entire Tea Party is such an emotional slaughterhouse that by the time Will finally fucking shows up to help it's hard to not kind of break down. ;_;

>>6663149
ahaha.wav

>>6663211

New thread.