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To think that, back then i once joked about them being the culprit

It's hilarious to see the people on the AnimeSuki thread thrashing around saying, "BERN MUST BE LYING WITH THE TEA PARTY THE FAMILY MEMBERS CAN'T BE THAT HEARTLESS!!!"

>>6658055
Remember her sister? Not hard to imagine. She seduced Rudolph and even had a child with him to get her hands on the family fortune.

So, what the fuck is the golden truth anyway?

>>6658061
That you are a faggot

ahaha.wav

>>6658061
The golden truth. Everything can be done with 10tons of gold.

>>6658061

My interpretation of the Gold Truth is that it's the "premise" of a game board, that only the game master can use. Basically like a premise or gimmick of a mystery novel, that the author shares with his readers.

That's why the Golden Truth is sometimes superior to the Red Truth. The author might say, "I know normally in mystery novels there can't be supernatural detective techniques (Knox's 2nd), but I wanted to write a mystery novel with a supernatural side, so in this book when the detective talks to ghosts those are real clues."

Because Battler learns how to use the Golden Truth right after talking about how "mysteries require trust between the author and readers." Then he "understands the real meaning of the gameboard," which is like understanding the true intentions of the tale's author. And the thing he uses to state is "Kinzo is dead in this game"...which, from the starting scenes of Episode 5, is outright stated as part of the premise that sets it apart from earlier games.

It's like Battler is saying, "I guarantee that this corpse is Ushiromiya Kinzo's corpse...!! I mean, come on, we know Kinzo is dead: that was set up right from the start and it's not a trick or anything, it's a premise of the whole tale that you need as the reader to solve it."

This is of course only my interpretation of what the Golden Truth means. You can decide if it sounds right to you, since there's still no explicit explanation of what the Golden Truth is. But I do really like the idea that the Golden Truth is the "premise" or "gimmick" of the tale's author, that the audience accepts with trust.

>>6658061
subjective evidence

>>6658058
we get that shit on /jp/ on a regular basis, don't pretend /jp/ is any better
I lost count how many times I've been told "Bern is just trolling" while trying to discuss episode 7 after its release

>>6658090
>I lost count how many times I've been told "Bern is just trolling" while trying to discuss episode 7 after its release

It's really silly because as Bern herself said, pretty much everything on ep VII is Featherine truth, not Bern.

As said in the previous thread.
Ep7 explained squat.

Yasu was hinted from the beginning, and Ep6 jammed it into your face over and over again.
As for the motive? Ep7 doesn't do that any good either.
Her motive must be good enough for Battler being able to both forgive and love her, as Ange pointed out.
He cannot possibly forgive her if she killed everyone and didn't have a good reason.

>>6658090
'Bern was just trolling' will probably be the answer early on for Episode 8 too

Actually I'm kind of hoping that little shit gets her comeuppance. Troll the troll.

>>6658104

I wanna see Bernkastel raped by goatmen.

>>6658100
So the The Tea Party is the answer Featherine reached?

>>6658101
That's only Ange's opinion

>>6658117

Yes

>>6658117
Yes, which is why it lacks whydunnit, because Featherine doesn't care about the motive, only the cold facts.
Were you even reading the episode?

>>6658101
Motive?
What more do you want.
They went through 200k+ world and in everyone of them, everyone die.
Ep1 and ep2 are just fictions by Beato, you know like TEN LITTLE NIGGERS. Ep3 to ep6 are just featherinne fictions.
Ange world is the canon world and basically ep8 are just the retelling of ep7 from Battler kind hearted pov.
Kyrie is the murderer. Ep8 will be Kyrie turn to get a sob story just like claire in ep7 to justify her murder.
>>>/rs/there_is_no_happy_ending

GUYS WHAT IF BATTLER'S SIN WAS DOING UP YASU AND GETTING HER PREGGO AND NEVER COMING BACK

DUDE

DUDE

>>6658104

Yes. I want to see Bern's face twist in agony as Battler/Will/whoever trolls the shit out of her.

>>6658125

On Bern's gameboard there wont be a happy end. Not like Umineko in a whole will get a happy end but a bittersweet one.

Why is EP 7 the first we've heard of explosives? In Ange's world, the island wasn't blown to smithereens when she revisited it, was it?

>>6658121
Skimmed through it, Will style.

>>6658101
Yasu never killed anybody in the real world. The deaths you see in EP1-6 are merely tales.

She planned to kill everybody had the epitaph not been solved but was never given the chance.

>>6658145
I think he was like 13 when he left, since he's 19 now

13 year old pregnancy? fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

>>6658153
>Why is EP 7 the first we've heard of explosives?
Wrong, you might wanna check the tips on the earlier episodes. Was Kanon Ep4 the earliest?

>>6658153

no, it was blown up, nothing was there anymore. there have been several other hints like the newspaper article of "the rokkenjima explosion" and how maria's jaw was the only thing they found

>>6658153
EP4 hinted that the landmass was radically changed. Ange couldn't even return to the mansion

EP6 Erika tip said she died in the Rokkenjima explosion incident

>>6658158

ange = battler's daughter, believe it.

>>6658165
Ange is actually Rosa's husband daughter in disguise, who wants to know the truth about her sister.
He just disguised herself as Ange, Rudolf's and Kyrie's daughter, who died in a mysterious miscarriage.

>>6658165
Battler = RudolfxAnge's son, believe it

Maria is Battlers and Rosas son. Believe it.

Krauss the descendant of an ancient Moon civilization. Believe it.

Bern said the end of Episode 8 would not be a happy one. She didn't specify who it would get the bad end. Perhaps everyone in Umineko finally gets a happy ending, Higurashi style......except Bern herself.

Battler and K1 are bros. Believe it.

>>6658199
>except Bern herself.

Though highly unlikely, I'd laugh my ass off if this happened.

>>6658145
I hear dem children easily forgets about when they get laid with their loli childhood friends.

What are you guys theorizing anyways?
Shannon was already proved to be half of the cast.
Kyrie was proved to be the culprit

>>6658221
She's gotten pretty confident and is the next Game Master. What better position then the top to watch her fall flat on her ass from being too cocky.

Then Lamba swoops in and imprisons Bern in another looping reality like Higurashi all over again.

>>6658228

There is something that doesn't fit, especially about Beato's heart.

>>6658233
Its like you want Bern to suffer. Why?

Isn't Lambda GMing episode 8?

I still like that Hachijou Touya = Asumu theory that was floating around.

>>6658238
She condemned Erika to death.

>>6658238
Why not? Everyone else has had a turn, it'd be fun to see the main instigator and taunter get a taste.

Oh come on, Bern won't be imprisoned ever again

So even though Lion exists, she would still die? How would the island blow up afterwards with no Beatrice to explain the mechanism, or to even turn it on? Did it even exist in this world?

i really want to know more about Lion's world. Battler wasn't able to show up at the conference that year so he would be a guaranteed survivor.

Umineko Fighting Game Character Rooster
Battler and Yasu the only 2

>>6658252

Aumufags are fucking stupid

>>6658238

Its about time we see this Karma houdini/high mighty bitch gets a bit of what she deserve although I'm not betting money on it.

>>6658268
Trap her in another logic error?

>>6658267

Oh wow. I love how a character who hasn't made an appearance (unless you count that small bit in Yasu's flashback), has no sprite can have fa(g)ns

>>6658265
Bern never said that everything would be the same. She merely said that Lion would die no matter what.

Parents solve the epitaph and kill each other; One of them kills Lion. It doesn't have to be the same.

>>6658279
>fa(g)ns
what?

So, everybody wants Bern to get her comeuppance.

But what about Virgilia, Lambda, and Featherine? Does anybody want bad stuff to happen to them in episode 8?

So, about Beato's Heart.

She was planning to kill everyone. She has no feeling about it, she'll accept any result. She doesn't enjoy the killing.

The adult hijack her, then Kyrie kills everyone.

Due to the letters, people start the whole Golden Witch shit, Beatrice get resurrected (going with fiction theory, but it can also be meta-world).

She didn't kill anyone, but since she want to hide the Rokkenjima horrible truth she goes along with the ride with Battler until he finds the truth/she wants him to remember the promise. (witch one?)

Battler discovers the truth.. and?

He realizes Beato is technicality a martyr and scapegoat, and he's sympathetic toward Shkanontrice shitty fate?

>>6658300
None of them have done anything necessarily bad. Virgilia is Battler's ally and has been helping him for a while now, the only thing wrong with Lambda is that she's allied with Bern. Featherine hasn't done much at all really, just made Ange tell the tale of Ep 6 and made Bern Game Master of Ep 7 to confirm her theories.

>>6658302
That sums it up.

>>6658265
>So even though Lion exists, she would still die?


That's part is possibly a lie.

As Will said, Lion started to fade because he believed it was the truth. He also tells him to not believe in it.

>>6658265
>So even though Lion exists, she would still die? How would the island blow up afterwards with no Beatrice to explain the mechanism, or to even turn it on? Did it even exist in this world?

Possibilities in which the island did blow up:
1. Kinzo put a warning sign on the clock, just in case someone flipped the switch by accident. From this, the siblings knew about the bomb.
2. Kinzo told one of the servants (maybe Genji) to go to the chapel VIP room and wait there, just in case someone really did solve the riddle, and congratulate/explain things to them. From this, the siblings knew about the bomb.
3. Kyrie and Rudolf were intrigued by the strange and ominous switch in the grandfather clock. Following the wires sticking out of it, they found the stockpile of explosives and were able to figure out that it was an activation switch. If they know a lot about guns, it's not too huge of a stretch to imagine they also know about explosives. From this, they knew about the bomb.

//Possibilities in which the island didn't blow up:
1. Kyrie and Rudolf were planning to flee the country, so there wasn't any need to remove the evidence or for them to know about the bomb. They did have that cash card that wouldn't leave any traces back to them.
2. Kyrie and Rudolf weren't acting rationally. They just snapped for some reason.

>>6658300
>>6658305
Hell, as we were shown back in Episode 6, Lambda is more sympathetic than anything else. She's a troll because it's the only way she can stay sane.

>>6658315

Oh god, that pic

Ok, one question: who is Bernkastel on the game board? And why does she want Beato to suffer?

>>6658300
Virgilia? She's part of the gang along with Gaap and Ronobro. She's cool.

Lambda? Eh, she's as bad as Bern but hasn't been as involved. I still think she's only hanging around waiting for Bern to make a mistake so she can tourture her again.

Featherine? She's just writing fanfics based on the original event.

>>6658315

...the same with bern.

>>6658322
But Bernkastel would rather be treated as a villain than given sympathy. Well, I suppose Lambda is the same way, but it's explicitly stated in Bernkastel's character song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FEG8EjUJuY

>>6658319
Lambda probably saved Lion and Will.

Bern is completely broken without any point of redemption. She's awful evil.

Lambda is just a little insane, but she's more chaotic neutral. She can be a bro, or a troll. A Brotroll.

>>6658346

Who knows. I hope this is the case in EP8

Am I correct in assumption that this girl who laughed at concept of withes, suddenly become a believer after Yasu switched her keychain with his? Cheap...

>>6658355
Isn't Lambda actually trying to redeem Bern? I seem to remember something like that.

>>6658339
I love that song so much. Though I don't understand the meaning of all the lyrics

If Yasu didn't kill anyone and Kyrie is the true culprit of the story, then why did Will and Bern explain it that in another world, Ushiromiya Lion would eventually commit the gruesome act of mass murders?

Didn't they repeatidly say that she did kill them?
In Episode 1-6, Yasu killed people, right?
Is there even any room for doubt? And if so, why doubt?

Ange's question of how Battler can be all cool with Yasu remains however.

>>6658364
It's basically Bernkastel saying "I'm a fucked up evil bitch, and I realize this, so PLEASE KILL ME".

>>6658362

I know Berune isn't that smart. I mean if she thought about it she could have figured it out that it was just Yasu Taking the key from his/her own keychain, putting it in Berune's locker beforehand, then swapping it with Berune's.

Yasu wasn't gonna kill anyone. She promises to give back the lifes of the dead if the epitaph was solved. She was just gonna bribe them to play dead. Why would there be so many fake death shenanigans otherwise?

Episode 6 "has no difficulty" and we're told outright that it was an elaborate prank. Battler was showing he knew everything about Beato's heart in that game, he gave us Shkanontrice and the fake deaths.

>>6658366
> then why did Will and Bern explain it that in another world, Ushiromiya Lion would eventually commit the gruesome act of mass murders?
They didn't. In Lion's world, it would once again be the siblings who committed the murders. (Not counting Lion as one of the siblings even though s/he technically is. Dammit Kinzo.)

>>6658369
>Dahw

>>6658371
>Episode 6 "has no difficulty" and we're told outright that it was an elaborate prank. Battler was showing he knew everything about Beato's heart in that game, he gave us Shkanontrice and the fake deaths.

Holy cats, you are possibility right!

But this doesn't really explain why the letters were sent first. Or the money.

>>6658366
The other worlds they referred to are EP1-6 worlds

>>6658339
The reason they're so fucked up is that they spent a LONG time in logic errors, Bern was especially broken by hers and can only push the feeling of terror away by inflicting terror and destruction.

Lambadelta is just a tad deranged from hers and wasn't shattered like Bern but, Bern is a lot younger than 34, so it makes sense Bern would shatter more easily.

Bern's end will be like Beato's in EP4.
She will say to Will "Please, kill me" and then they'll hug.

>>6658370

Berune is average /jp/ reader?

>>6658362
It wasn't just that, Yasu did a lot of pranks. Berune just started respecting the tale.

>>6658382
I love them so much
Dammit whats wrong with me, I love every tortured and deranged person thrown at me

>>6658385

...then Will will thrust his sword through her

>>6658372
>They didn't. In Lion's world
Yeah, but they said that Lion would, in other worlds.
But that would be Yasu's worlds of course.

But it's still Lion in other worlds. And that Lion (read Yasu), commited mass murders according to Will and Bern.

>>6658394
I know that feel.

And I've started to adore 34 since Beatrice has gone all moe~ on us and now all this Yasu makes me quite frankly dislike her.

>>6658394
>Dammit whats wrong with me, I love every tortured and deranged person thrown at me

You are not alone.
Bern became mai waifu during ep VII.

Every time she made someone cry i loved her even more.

>>6658396

I'd let Will thrust his sword throught me, if you know what i mean.

>>6658396
He would adore that, I'm sure.

>>6658407
>>6658412
they must be saved from damnation

>>6658412
>fat bern

I'm dying

>>6658377
Some shenanigans involving the gold and the Italy are going on. Ange and the Sumaderas are part of it in some way. Yasu, being the heir appointed by Kinzo, got involved during the last 2 years that were skipped.

The whole point of the Golden Witch was to hide the truth of Rokkenjima. Will understood that, like Battler did, and respected the skip of the details, so the truth could remain shrouded. Bern didn't realize but he DID find the truth and then shut it right back in the cat box.

But he proved to Claire that he knew, so he freed her.

>>6658423
Saved?

I just want to ride the Highway to Hell with her and enjoy every second.

Shatter kakeras and sow suffering, errry day all day.

I wonder if witches have witch therapists.

>>6658445
They surely need them.

>>6658445
They do.

It's called voyaging to random Witch Tea Parties and wrecking everything so the rush will keep your memories at bay.

>>6658315
It would've been a total dick move if somebody said "No, we're just figments of your imagination" and laughed.

>>6658315

This makes me want to hug 34

>>6658454
Yes that would be a total dickmove
...don't do it.

Yasu kills everyone in certain worlds.
Kyrie (and Eva and Rudolf) kills everyone in other worlds.

Ange from the world that Eva survived wanted the truth, so she got the truth from what had happened in her world.

Bern just showed everyone how a bad end for the family is a certain fate. Even in Lion's world.

>>6658470
I like that explanation. Creds to you.

what does the whole "illusion to illusion" thing mean?
the same goes for the red truth.

>>6658483
Will is burying all the lies in the previous murders, no?

>>6658500
so all that we read was a bullshit?

>>6658512
Yes, people dieing becuase of magic is bullshit.

>>6658371
Will apparently calls the faked deaths a "tale woven with gold truth". I'd take that means bribes. So it's pretty much confirmed the whole thing was staged but then someone took it a bit too seriously. Or took advantage of it.

>>6658530

1-1 The corpse that cannot return to earth returns to illusions.

1-2 A chain of illusions can only hold back illusions.

1-4 Let the man of illusions go to where he belongs.

1-5 The witch and stake of illusions can pierce naught but illusions.

1-678 Illusions are the blind girl's song. Illusions of a closed room.

2-1 The gold truth locks the lock of illusions.

2-2 Illusions who have fulfilled their role do not leave a corpse.

2-456 No one would dispute that a coffin is a closed room.

2-78 No illusion can create a corpse.

3-1 In a closed room ring, the end and the beginning overlap.

3-2 No falsehoods in their final moments as told.

3-456 No falsehoods in their final moments as told.

3-78 The obvious culprit wields a mutable blade.

4-1 Tales woven by the gold truth return to illusions.

4-2 Tales woven by the gold truth return to illusions.

4-456 Silent corpses, adorned by fiction.

4-9 When fiction is shut up inside a cat box, it becomes truth

Who am I? The promised reaper lowers the curtains on the tale regardless of the witch's will

Where did all of those working guns come from?

>>6658483

Kanon, the chain on Eva door in ep 1.

There are just illusion.

god dammit battler, god damn you fictional idiot

>>6658549
Kinzos office. Before that? The italian and japanese army

>>6658530
>Will apparently calls the faked deaths a "tale woven with gold truth". I'd take that means bribes. So it's pretty much confirmed the whole thing was staged but then someone took it a bit too seriously. Or took advantage of it.


This is very interesting.

Who is bribing who?

>>6658530
No it just mean "a tale woven with the imagination of Beatrice".
Gold truth is that, the truth of the heart of Beatrice.
That's why you can say in gold that a simple trick is magic

>>6658560
Yasu's bribing Kyrie, and possibly others aswell.

>>6658541
>2-1 The gold truth locks the lock of illusions.
>4-1 Tales woven by the gold truth return to illusions.
>4-2 Tales woven by the gold truth return to illusions.

Yep, bribes.

I don't really understand these though:
>3-78 The obvious culprit wields a mutable blade.
>Who am I? The promised reaper lowers the curtains on the tale regardless of the witch's will

>>6658567

The bomb

>The promised reaper lowers the curtains on the tale regardless of the witch's will
>regardless of the witch's will

>>6658567
Who am I is the bomb.

>>6658566
>>6658560

Isn't like ep VII Tea Party?

Kyrie and the other find the gold, that's why it's a "Tales woven by the gold truth"

>>6658572
But in the Tea Party it is shown that the bomb can be disabled, so it can technicaly be stopped at will.

Battler didn't come back in the universe with Lion.
Which means in that game, both battler and ange are left alive, Bernkastell actually managed to find the miracle for Ange.

>>6658559
It went from 1 gun (Episodes 1 and 2) to 4 (Episode 3) to a shitload.

>>6658579
Not according to the Witch's will. I mean, Shannon won't disable it unless someone solves the epitaph.

>>6658579
>But in the Tea Party it is shown that the bomb can be disabled, so it can technicaly be stopped at will.

Not if Yasu kills herself (like in ep IV and II)

>>6658567
>3-78 The obvious culprit wields a mutable blade.

Well, either Eva or Nanjo garroted the two after luring them to the garden somehow. Depends who you think the obvious culprit is.

>>6658583

Also, seeing as the only universe where he doesn't comes back is the one where shannon does not exist, could mean there were some either conscious or unconscious feelings for her.

>>6658594
Who is the artist?

Just what are these supposed to mean?
Are we supposed to be able to figure out everything with everything we have been giving up to this point?

So
>1-1 The corpse that cannot return to earth returns to illusions.
Shannon poisoned everyone, Shannon died and Yasu rose and continued?
>1-2 A chain of illusions can only hold back illusions.
Yasu jumped in and stabbed Hideyoshi and Eva, Kanon(Yasu) is crazy good at sleight of hand and fooling everyone with optical illusions and Genji persuades everyone to step back from the room and the door.
>1-4 Let the man of illusions go to where he belongs.
No one was killed, Kanon dissapeared, people are led to believe someone was killed.
>1-678 Illusions are the blind girl's song. Illusions of a closed room.
Yasu, being crazy good at martial arts killed everyone except Maria, the room was never a perfect closed room. (Why was it not a closed room?)
>Bomb

>>6658583

Ep VII kakera was a mix, we don't know whatever he came back or not.

Lion even mentioned being in good terms with him

>>6658572
>>6658575
But the bomb wouldn't be "regardless" of her will. She was leaving it all to fate. And it could be turned off.

>Yasu, being crazy good at martial arts killed everyone except Maria, the room was never a perfect closed room. (Why was it not a closed room?)

Yasu had a gun, derp. There were 4 guns all along. The room wasn't closed because noone accounted for all the master keys.

>>6658586
There's only 4 guns.

There's never been more.

The fact that Natsuhi and Rosa only bring one gun with them instead all 4 is suspicious.

>>6658541
>4-2 Tales woven by the gold truth return to illusions.
Does this mean that George and Jessica got bribed?

>>6658602
You somehow make it hilarious. But yea.

>>6658609
What the hell are they going to do with all 4 guns? Give them to the kids?

>>6658606
You're thinking about it too hard.

The epitaph wasn't solved so Yasu didn't turn off the bomb. Yasu probably committed suicide after meeting Battler and being forced to realize that he forgot all about his promise to her.

>>6658617

..yes?

Battler and George are adults.

>>6658602
>Shannon poisoned everyone, Shannon died and Yasu rose and continued?

Shannon corpse is an illusion. It's pretty easy to guess if you re-read Will final comment about ep 1 "It was a pretty risky game from the start, what if he stepped inside to see the face"

>Yasu jumped in and stabbed Hideyoshi and Eva, Kanon(Yasu) is crazy good at sleight of hand and fooling everyone with optical illusions and Genji persuades everyone to step back from the room and the door.

Simply, the room wasn't close to begin with. Battler never saw the chain, only Genji did.

>No one was killed, Kanon dissapeared, people are led to believe someone was killed.

Yes. Nanjo lied, Jessica was fooled.

>Yasu, being crazy good at martial arts killed everyone except Maria, the room was never a perfect closed room. (Why was it not a closed room?)

This one it's pretty tricky.
I guess the room was never closed room and.. i have no idea. Shouldn't be pretty hard if you consider Genji would suck Yasu dick.

>>6658617
Are you trying to imply Natsuhi and Rosa couldn't both dual-weild?

>>6658615
The theory I've been using is that Yasu convinced the rest of the family to work with her to create a mystery for Battler to solve. Jessica and George were a part of that too.

But, at some point, the real killer took advantage of the situation to wipe everyone out. Who that real killer is however...

>>6658624
Maria was blindfolded, she couldn't see what was going on. This gave everyone ample time to fake their death.

Her singing loudly would prevent her from hearing what they were doing too.

>>6658623

Not in the eyes of the parents they aren't. And Rosa didn't really trust anyone other than herself anyway. Since she was working with the killer, after all.

>>6658627

Lever action rifles? That would be pretty damn pro.

>>6658632
>The theory I've been using is that Yasu convinced the rest of the family to work with her to create a mystery for Battler to solve. Jessica and George were a part of that too.

I still think it's just ep VII Tea Party under a different setting

>>6658640
Rosa holds two rifles and shoots. Then Natsuhi gives the next two and reloads the others. This way Rosa takes 4 shots in a row. Then they swap and Natsuhi takes the next 4 while Rosa does the realoding. They act like a 4-armed gracious beast, combining the pureness of one and the ruthlessness of the other.

Rosa and Maria semi-doing this was the perfect foreshadowing.

>>6658640

You can spin cock the model used.

Because of course, Natsuhi and Rosa are master gunmen.

After ep 7, does someone still like Natsuhi?

>>6658680
Me. She's moe as fuck.

>>6658680
Why not? I liked the way she stood for Battler.

>>6658706
>Why not?

Well, there is that baby trow from a cliff, and..

>>6658710
We knew that since Ep5. And honestly, I can understand why she did it. I don't praise it but I really can understand.

>>6658710
But that's old news.
The only thing new introduced in ep7 is how she in one world raised that child as loving and caring as Jessica.

>>6658530

Wasn't the Chapel in ep II "woven with gold truth" too?

Rosa said it was locked, right? She lied?

>>6658745
>2-1 The gold truth locks the lock of illusions.

I guess.

>>6658753
>>6658745
Because it's a trick, like with the cup.
Trick = magic in gold

>>6658680
I do. She isn't worse than Kyrie, Rosa or Eva.

>>6658706
Me too. I probably don't like her as much as I once did but she's still a good character.

If would have known beforehand that ep7 was just ep6 for dummies, then I would have just ctrl:d through the whole thing.

And he really likes to drag things out doesn't he?
Ok, he felt like he needed an entire episode more to explain what he tried to explained in ep6, but he could at least have reduced it to at least half that text and done something else with the remaining text.

Ep6, while many thought that one was a drag, still did lots of more things than this one.
It ellaborated on the thoughts of fake deaths, and even on fake deaths gone real deaths.
It went in detail on Umineko game mastering, and game rules.
It had Battler reflect on the truth and the position of game master after having been too late. This was also the first time someone knew the truth so it is not simply repitition.
It went on and on about Yasu and love, and their little wordplays. And yes they went on and on a lot with that but it was still an element of the story, and although there had been hints, none had been outright confirmed.
There was Erika and her story.
You also got to learn a bit more about Bern's and Lambda's hell.

Ep7 was however nothing but Yasu, Yasu, Yasu, Yasu. Well, that and how the gold was loot from WW2 and how Beatrice was a foreigner, as if that hadn't been reasoned out yet.
Reading ep7 felt as if it wasn't worth it. It was nothing new after all, yet it took hours to read.

>>6658601
http://shroedinger.deviantart.com/

An accquiried taste on /jp/ from Umineko threads to far further, reaching even to Futaba, might I add.

>>6658664

MAKE THIS HAPPEN RYUKISHI

>>6658793
I agree it felt too empty of actaul content. The last chapter, the Tea Party and the ???? were really good though.

>>6658726
Why is Lion such a pervert?

>>6658824
Because buttpinchi.

Speaking of the ?????, my onscripter segfaults just after Battler is about to tell Ange the story.

Is that the end, or is there some content I've missed?

>>6658831
There are more ???? content after that.

>>6658837
No, there isn't. That's the last scene.

>>6658824

It's not like he flirts with anyone, only Will.

>>6658847
Lion pinched Battler and Jessica's butts as well.

>>6658541
>1-2 A chain of illusions can only hold back illusions.
>can only hold back illusions
Does this mean that Eva and Hideyoshi were playing dead?

>>6658893
Battler saw them, kinda hard to fake having a stake in the middle of your head.

>>6658893
>chain of illusions
Means the chain was an illusion. the door was not locked. Please think about things more.

>>6658893
by only holding back illusions, they mean the chain created the impression the killer must still have been in the room, but with no chain there's no reason he or she'd be in there.

>>6658925
No it just meant it held back the actually illusionary character aka Kanon.
Stop trying so hard.

Wait, hold on.

How can the servants talk to both Shannon, and Kanon? Like Genji? Does Genji just put up with Yasu's bullshit and address Yasu as either depending on whether he notices the shift?

>>6658939
I'm getting headache now.

Since the chain is faked, or Genji is accomplice to the trick, doesn't that mean it's not closed room after all? The killer is not inside anymore? How dunnit?

>>6658942
Genji probably plays along.

Don't know about the other servants. We can't take any scene with both Kanon and Shannon it it interacting with people at the same time at face value.

>>6658942
according to shkannonyasufags, it's not that hard, so ""yes"".
Well, Genji is probably the only one who would do this for Yasu given his backstory, but your point is still true for other servants.

>>6658601

"shroedinger"

http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/index?tags=shroedinger

Here's the full version of that comic, based on a copypasta someone wrote on /jp/

>>6658948
Yes. Genji is likely an accomplish.

It was never a closed room.

>>6658953
Pt. 2

>>6658948
It's not a closed room, never was.

>>6658956
*accomplice.

>>6658956
It's not a closed room yadda yadda.

But the chain was up when Battler observed the scene. How do you do that?

>>6658948
It was never a closed room anymore according to this, yes. So everything about this was "over-thinking"
(And that's why I don't accept this interpretation, but this is a personnal viewpoint.)

>>6658964
Kanon was the first one on the crime scene IIRC. do the maths.

>>6658942
I imagine Genji is only talking to Shannon. Shannon isn't constantly going back between personalities like the scene shows. They're having a normal one on one conversation

>>6658793
ep7 tells you Yasu solved the epitaph, it gives you good reasons for why all the servants would be on his side, it tells you how the bomb works (which is important because it means someone set it on the second day and that someone must've been told about it, ie it's Yasu or a servant, can only be someone else if they solved the epitaph and was told about the bomb) and it can be set without intent to kill (if someone didn't believe Yasu). Then there's the small things like Jessica lying about her cough and the confirmation Kyrie is Battler's mother.

"It was sometimes a king, sometimes a queen, and could become a knight."

This phrase highly disturb me. Does someone have the japanese script somehow?

>>6658987
It's referring to the whole Yasu-Beatrice-Shannon-Kanon thing.

>>6658957

>>6658942

How can Krauss and Natsuhi talk to Kinzo?

>>6658964
>But the chain was up when Battler observed the scene. How do you do that?

You know, these mysteries are much easier to solve if you don't make stuff up. By the time Battler and the other cousins arrive, the door has been open, and the corpses and letter has been found.

>>6659009
They CANT.

Those scenes are distorted or never happened.

With Natsuhi, it's likely that she's REALLY talking to her Imaginary Friend Kinzo

>>6659014

Yes, it was a rhetorical question.

>>6659025
Oh sorry. I thought you were actually asking.

>>6659037
I missed her so much.

>>6659037
What is the image he's raging at?

>>6659044
He's raging at Episode 3's Troll End.

Hey, guys on a totally unreleated story, I though 10 little niggers sucked. The book was pretty bad.
Especially the ending where she kills herself from psychological pressure.

>>6659061
Any particular reason you dont wanna use spoilertags?

>>6659061
Not everything she wrote was EXCELLENT. Lie The Murder of Roger Ackroyd.
But hacks cannot filter what is good, bad, mediocre or makes sense, and just implement it wherever.
On an unrelated note

>>6659061
Yea, my bad. To my defence I didn't really say who died!

>>6659061
>Started reading it yesterday
>about 2 chapters in

Guess I'll just... leave it then. ;_;

>>6659061

The book is bad because it's unsolvable. The trick the culprit uses as their last act is stupid and impossible, and there's no way to figure it out.

You can actually solve it without too much difficulty BEFORE the police epilogue, but that breaks it, and you have to read the confession to understand.

>>6659121
What do you mean that breaks it? That actually gave me the hugest hint. The fact that the gun was moved made everything obvious.

>>6659071
If we are talking about opinions here, I overly enjoyed Secret Adversary and Murder on the links yet I kind of dislike Poirot

Some points made in an inteview about EP8

It was BT who wanted Lucifer to have long black hair
So far 75% of the truth has been revealed
EP8 will touch on the definition of red truth through Battler and Ange
Will was put into the story because Ryu-chan though that people wouldn't trust the truth coming from Battler's mouth, since he is still a suspect
The 07th staff know the the genders of Zepar and Furfur
Although he was called "Itomimizu" online, the 07th staff called Will "Jalapeno"
Claire is like the mystery man in all black that you see in mystery manga and anime
Young Kinzo's design was based off of Natsume's drawing
The Taiwan theory was correct
Kinzo may be glorifying his story of when he met Beatrice
Bern might have been saying "This is the truth...or at least, I'd like it to be"
Ryu-chan has no intention of talking any more about Yasu's motive in EP8. Read EP7
EP8 will have Ange as an extremely important main character
Also Amakusa shows up
It will be completely different from the approach Ryu-chan went for in Matsuribayashi-hen
There may be choices

>>6659347
>Bern might have been saying "This is the truth...or at least, I'd like it to be"

>>6659347
>EP8 will touch on the definition of red truth through Battler and Ange
So Red isnt the definite truth? Damn, if he screws with the red, he's the worst mystery writer ever.

>>6659347
>EP8 will have Ange as an extremely important main character

Oh fuck you Ryukishi! I know I should know this by the ??? but fuck!

>>6659368
Will probably talk about how it's context sensitive.

Since not everybody understands that.

>>6659347
>So far 75% of the truth has been revealed
>Ryu-chan has no intention of talking any more about Yasu's motive in EP8. Read EP7
>It will be completely different from the approach Ryu-chan went for in Matsuribayashi-hen

wow
TOLDfags sure got told.

>>6659347
> Kinzo may be glorifying his story of when he met Beatrice
That seemed fairly obvious from the stuff at the very end of Episode 7. I mean, not mentioning that he himself was the one to come up with the idea to steal the gold from the Italians is a pretty big thing to leave out.

>>6659347
> It was BT who wanted Lucifer to have long black hair
So BT's legacy will continue whenever Lucifer makes an appearance, huh?

> Although he was called "Itomimizu" online, the 07th staff called Will "Jalapeno"
Heh.

>>6659347
>Bern might have been saying "This is the truth...or at least, I'd like it to be"

HAHAHAHAHA oh wow! Trollkastel confirmed as a trolll

>>6659347
Link to the full interview?

>>6659347
Will was put into the story because Ryu-chan though that people wouldn't trust the truth coming from Battler's mouth, since he is still a suspect
Meaning Ryu thinks that Battler's after-E5 stance is completely justified, though admits that it looks weird. Cool.

>>6657466
>Unpossible, Amakusa as a young soldier appears in Higurashi manga
He did?

Well, even if he did the Yamainu are just regular people and not exactly trained (and Amakusa is a trained counter-snipe. And if Phantom of Inferno counter sniping knowledge is legit then that's a fucking hard to do job). The Banken were the special forces.

>Although he was called "Itomimizu" online, the 07th staff called Will "Jalapeno"
I lol'd

>>6659585

Or maybe fans from Japan would not let go of their suspitions of Battler no matter what.

>>6659602
Yeah, Amakusa was Hibari 13. People were speculating it based on the names from the beginning. Amakusa's anime preview pretty much came right out and said it, and then he appears visually as Hibari 13 in the Matsuribayashi manga.

>>6659347
>Will was put into the story because Ryu-chan though that people wouldn't trust the truth coming from Battler's mouth, since he is still a suspect
So Will was unneeded?

>Ryu-chan has no intention of talking any more about Yasu's motive in EP8. Read EP7
Ok nice.
That means we are left with either
Yasu never killed anyone and is innocent end.
or
"I am sorry you always loved me and I stood you up" everyone are retards end.

>>6659621
It should be pretty obvious just from reading EP7 that Will's significance is mostly thematic. Also, his NTRing Battler is both sad and kinda funny.

>>6659347
Any link?

>>6659602
Yeah.
Which is why this is happening fifteen years ago. in the novel, Okonogi's direct subordinate, hibari 13
>Hibari 13
>Juuza

>>6659613
> Amakusa's anime preview pretty much came right out and said it
It did?

>>6659613
What's funny is that Hibari 13 was the one that went against Satoko. Yes, Juuza lost to Satoko.

>>6659672
Yeah, he talks about how he's an expert soldier, but there was one incident where he was fighting on a mountain under Okonogi, fell prey to "traps" and was "pathetic". Then he starts babbling about Angel Morte.

>>6659633
More like "I'm too indecisive to choose, well let's go with a roulette, it worked well with Kinzo after all."
There is your motive.

But higurashi was a videogame/tv show in umineko universe... so how did Juuza appear in that (other than a character)? Because in this case umineko world is the real world while higurashi's isn't...

>>6659685
Okay, yeah, that pretty much confirms it.

...And confirms that Higurashi and Umineko take place in the same universe. Heh.

>>6659693
Easy, the novel "Higurashi" that Battler read was simply based off of true events.

>>6659693
oishi and akasaka wrote a book about the hinamizawa incident called "higurashi no naku koro ni".
just saying.

>>6659693
>>6659696
>>6659701
>>6659706

Multiuniverse theory

Plus, Featherine can write shit around

Japanese fans who seen the scans believe the dude to be Amakusa's father.

>>6659759
beacause in japan, every son is a xerox of his father.

>>6659763
Nah, it's because for Amakusa to be him he'd have to be in his mid forties. And shipperfags go 'OH SHIT'.

>>6659776
18 in Higurashi + 15 years = 33. Not too bad is it?

>>6659347
SOURCE WHERE? ¬¬

>>6659776
Amakusa could still be in his mid to late thirties.

>>6659781
1998 dude.

Add 12 more years.

And its doubtable for a 18 year old to be in a Secret Service-like organization which has enough influence to take the Minister of Construction. Well, unless your in the Yakuza like Shmion.

>>6659795
Wait, nevermind. Shit I thought Higurashi took place in the 70's

>>6659795
No, Higurashi is in 1983. Umineko is in 1986. Twelve years later, Amakusa in 1998. Total fifteen years since Higurashi.

>>6659795
making everyone precocious is routine in japanese fiction, and so far R07 has abided to it.

>Ryu-chan has no intention of talking any more about Yasu's motive in EP8. Read EP7
Pic related.
This sucks really bad because all options left are simply dumb.

Maybe Hideyoshi was friends with Okonogi by the time the Hinamizawa incident happened. Hell, maybe he had ties with the Yamainu.
Though this is going too far, I think.

>>6659838
until there is a link to the this suposed interview, this is bullshit. Or did anyone notice how every point is about something we've been discussing here until now?

>>6659838

Personally, after analyzing Yasu and Beato ep I-V i can sorta understand why he forgave her.

>>6659838
well, it's obvious she didn't kill anyone, nor ever had the intetion to. Teaparty is thus confirmed for TROLL

>>6659920
Care to enlighten the rest of us?

>>6659957

Well, i think it's a matter of perspective.

Of course, mass murder in never justified.

Yasu was screwed up individual, he didn't technicality kill anyone and protected the world from Rokkenjima truth, while waiting for Battler promise all this time.

So i can see why Battler forgave Beato.

>>6659957

Yasu is basically given two motives in Episode 7.

One is her motive as the culprit within the stories of the message bottles, which revolves around her "split soul", the mess with George, Jessica, Battler et all, and the "roulette of fate" stuff. Will solves this and successfully lays Beatrice to rest by solving 1-4 with Yasu as the culprit.

The other is her motive for writing and throwing out the message bottle stories to begin with, which is stated to be "to save the people who would be hurt by the truth". Will seems to realize this, because he is extremely protective of Yasu and flat-out shrugs off Lion's question at the end of "What really happened?"

So my speculation is that what was solved in Episode 7 was definitely the mystery - which we were handed in 1-4. But it's, so to speak, a "fake" mystery that Yasu wrote that was, yes, based on her real feelings (her desperation and despair about Shkanontrice is true, she's wished for a place where everything can be granted), born out of a desire to be understood and forgiven, so solving it saves Beatrice - but painting herself as the culprit and murderer was a genuine scapegoat act to cover up everything. Beato didn't half-ass the scapegoat deal; she never intended for the real truth to get out. I think there is a reason that almost all the hints towards Kyrie and the setup for a potentially larger conspiracy explicitly come from outside of her catbox - Episode 4 and Episode 6.

>>6659952
>nor ever had the intetion to
Yasu had the intention to kill if the roulette rolled that way.
And she did create the situation, she also gave loaded guns, lots of gold and a way to escape from anything they could do free to stressed individuals.

>>6659991
>failed to notice the ten billion indications of a fake murder mystery plot that got hijacked

>>6659973
>Yasu was screwed up individual, he didn't technicality kill anyone and protected the world from Rokkenjima truth, while waiting for Battler promise all this time.

Yasu did intend to kill everyone. S/he told the adults when they came into the gold room that if midnight hit and nobody solved the epitaph by then that they would begin a massacre.

>>6659991
>Yasu had the intention to kill if the roulette rolled that way.
nope, that would be the roulette's intention

>>6660004
Because that's a fucking stupid theory that only stupid people believe.

There is no way she tried to do something like this, it was repeated times and times again that she tried to do a roulette, not some fake murder mystery.
Fucking learn to read and think.

>>6660004
The fake murder plot element was only in EP 5 and 6 and was orchestrated by Battler each time to get back at Erika.

>>6659991
i'm saying thats not true.
i'm not saying murderers don't have reasons, but being pityfull is not a good reason to forgive massmurder! And Battler couldn't forgive his father for just cheating for 6 years.

There are two ways to see this his though process after finding the truth:

"Oh, so this girl i've been acusing of killing my whole family never had anything to do with that, she was just puting herself as a scapegoat, and i fell for it. Man, i fell like an ass, i should apologise for calling her a bitch."

or

"So, she really killed everyone, exept in the offchance that someone else could do it before her. And the reason is because she is mad and untable. .... HOT, I DIG IT! LETS MARRY!"

I'd rather belive the first, considering what we know about him.

>>6660030
It was in EP4 too. The EP3 first twilight scenario matches the EP6 one almost exactly. In EP2 we saw a scene of Beatrice blatantly bribing the parents. All the way back in EP1 Beatrice guaranteed she had a way to restore the lives she had taken if someone solved the epitaph.

Fake mystery plot doesn't change the roulette. It just changes if she planned to kill people for real as a part of that roulette or not.

>>6660041

>>6660030
Yes.
In episode 1-4 Beatrice really wanted Battler to know the truth.
So she willingly puts herself "in danger" by creating real murder plot, Bern herself says this in an early episode that Beatrice always risk a lot by creating such complicated murders.
Episode 5-6 are different, they were created with the intention to be unsolvable, so no murders =/= no danger since there is nothing to solve.

>>6660040
It's neither of the two. Rather it's:
"Oh that girl was fucked up by a promise I made and fell into despair and tried to do something horrible. But in the end she realized what she did and decided to at least take all the blame on herself".

>>6660041
The revival part would happen through the bottled tales Yasu threw into the ocean.

>The EP3 first twilight scenario matches the EP6 one almost exactly.

Except Beatrice said all those people were dead in red. The EP 6 victims didn't die until Erika screwed around.

>>6660041
You are just stupid.
And yes the roulette wouldn't work with a fake murder plot.
And think about the bomb, remember how it explodes in every episodes without exception.

So Yasu ask everyone to help her create a fake murder plot and at the end she kills everyone with a bomb?

Was this just a red herring?

>>6660061
Nope. It was a condition of her game on each board. If someone solves the epitaph during the game, she'll give back all the lives she's taken until then.

>Except Beatrice said all those people were dead in red. The EP 6 victims didn't die until Erika screwed around.

Again
>fake murder mystery that got hijacked

>>6660084
Hijacked by who? People who died in RED?
Tell me who could kill in episode 1, 2 or 3 except Yasu.

>>6660059
don't tell me "she fell in despair because of 12 year old talk and decided to kill 18 people when she was clearly rich and engaged" does not equal "mad and unstable" amd "killed for no reason".
I doubt anyone would forgive the person who killed their whole family for such a stupid reason.

However, felling bad about it if there is no real murder is really plausible.

>>6660084
Except that wasn't Yasu, that was what the epitaph wrote. Yasu was a nut who thought she could use magic, so of course she would say she can revive the dead.

Are you saying that the parents who found the corpses of the dead servants did it? Kyrie and Rudolf could, possibly Rosa as well, but otherwise.

>>6660088
If any of the parents can kill when triggered by the gold, any of them could take advantage of the opportunity created by a fake mystery plot.

>>6660097
She guaranteed that she would keep her promises in red. In the context of the challenge's promises.

>>6660099
Yeah, BUT THEY DIED IN RED.
Or they have alibi in the form of reliable narrator Battler.

So tell, how any of the parent could be the culprit of episode 1-3?
I'll tell you again, you are fucking stupid.

>>6660106
Then what about EP 3. Eva solved the epitaph and Beatrice acknowledged it. So why didn't the servants revive all the sudden?

>>6660110
Episode 6's twilight victims died in red too. So did Episode 5's. Your point?

>>6660106
Beatrice can create people through her imagination, see Kanon/Shannon.
That's what she said, she would give them lives again that way.
See it's not hard.

>>6660115
Not her fault if someone fucked with what she was trying to do, like Erika did to Battler.

>>6660117
Episode 6 twilight victims were killed by Erika, so what?
And for episode 5, when they died was never stated nor were the bodies shown.

What is your point? Are you saying that episode 1-4 aren't reliable?
You completely misunderstood Umineko then, the early episodes are as viable that the tea party of episode 7, that's the whole point.

>>6660061
>Except Beatrice said all those people were dead in red. The EP 6 victims didn't die until Erika screwed around.

Sure, the EP3 victims were pronounced dead... once everyone was back in the guesthouse. There was a full half hour between the corpse discovery and the red, and several people had opportunity to whack the victims during that time. Why do you think the adults initially thought the servants were faking?

>>6660076

>>6660142
Those several people being the adults. Why would we see the adults acting the way they did if they killed all those people? I can see Kyrie, Rudolf and maybe Rosa committing murders, but the other four definitely would not.

>>6660110
red is time sensitive, and full of wordplay. if you go back and read trough, you'll see that there's plenty of room for fakery. They all really die at one point or another, but there's no knowing weather the adutls that are left and in it can even tell the diference and figure there's something going on for real. and battlers reliable ponit of view doesn't count when everyone is puting an act in front of him...

>>6660142
>>6660127
Dude, please stop trying to whiteknight Yasu. She has a sympathetic past, but she's still a murderer. EP 7 was all about how she decided to kill everyone because Battler returned and forgot the promise, along with her dual sides Shannon and Kanon struggling for dominance within her body.

>>6660133
EP1-4 are reliable as Yasu's message about what's motivating her.

>>6660161
> Kyrie
> Rosa
Oh hey, look who split up from the search party to supposedly head back to the guesthouse.

But actually, Nanjo could have pulled it off too, provided he could get the adults to go on ahead while he performed an "autopsy".

>>6660096
I don't see how having a good or bad reason has anything to do with "will you forgive her crime?"

Battler forgives because he feels she has suffered enough, that's all.

>>6660177
>but she's still a murderer.
>murderer
>didn't kill a single person
Sure bro.

>>6660179
No, episode 1-4 are as reliable as every episodes and every other tales written by people who understand everything about the mystery and Beatrice's heart.

That's why the truth about what happened isn't important, all the tales are what if stories that exist on the same level in the cat box.
Also good job missing the really obvious theme that basically make Umineko what it is.

>>6660194
It stands out because it's explicitly brought up in the narratie by Featherine and Ange that it's really fucking weird that Battler would forgive and be so friendly to the murderer of his family if it was such a weak reason.

>>6660177
this is not whiteknighting. Beliving someone is not a murder is not saying he's a wonderfull person, just a normal person. Whiteknigthing is beliving that yes, she is the murderer, but no one should have hard feelings on her because she was a sad, sad person. Which is what the characters in the game seem to be doing. And it makes no sense. There are plenty of clues to her being innocent.

>>6660196
She still had the intent. Intending to kill people is just as bad.

>>6660205
Clues only you are seeing because you are missing everything that the game is trying to tell.

>>6660200
Beatrice's heart is the mystery. The mystery was constructed as a message she was trying to convey. Clair's monologue during her death scene blah-blah-blahs about how the tales are designed to carry the same message, like a love letter.

>>6660043
> if the night ended
If you think about it, this means Episode 4 was a definite, without a doubt, hijack. Regardless of whether or not the "deaths" would be real, the killings started before the night was over in Episode 4.

>>6660213
Yes, and by fully understand this you can create your own version of what happened on Rokkenjima and that version will exist at the same level as every other versions.
So what? Once again you are trying to say that episode 1-4 aren't reliable which is really fucking retarded.

>>6660202
and Battler forgives because he feels she has suffered enough, that's all.

>>6660210
Explain how Beatrice is going to return all the interest she took? Oh wait, you can't.

>>6660210
Clues you're not seeing because you're ignoring EP6. Stop with the childish retort, if you have a point, provide some basis from it. I'm providing the whole ange-featherine talk about how the fact that battler forgave beato, Is a MAJOR CLUE. Why would he feel this way if she killed his family over forgeting something of when they were kids? HE WOULDN'T. Ange and Featherine both agree on that. Ep7 didn't add anything to make it less stupid, so it stands to reason that she must have another more serious reason, or not be the killer at all. This talk is way longer than this screen, go back and read it again.

>>6660043
There is no rule against calling something murder when it doesn't literally involve killing people.

>>6659838
meant this
>>6660263

>>6660256
Nope. Ange and Featherine's talk is on the basis of Battler forgiving her because he suddenly realized her reasons and the truth of what she was doing. Not about her suffering after the fact or anything.

>>6660259
I can
OH I'M GOING TO WRITE AWESOME STORIES ABOUT THEM AND DREAM ABOUT THEIR WONDERFUL LIFE IN THE GOLDEN LAND THAT WILL SURELY MEAN THAT THEY WILL BE BACK TO LIFE.

Here.

>>6660263
Because she never killed anybody.

Episodes 1-6 are merely tales of what could have happened.

If I kill someone in a story I wrote, am I murderer? No, I am not.

It's true that she planned to kill but didn't. There's a world of difference between planning and executing.

>>6660259
It was handed right to us that Kumasawa and Gohda were setting up faked deaths for themselves in EP4 when someone killed them for real, too.

>>6660263
Oh please, you probably are the kind of retard who keep saying "ShKanontrice will never happen, you will see in episode 7".
You are the one missing everything.

>>6660274
Nope.

Returning the interest was a condition of the challenge she sent to the adults. If someone solves the epitaph during the game, she gives everything back. The stories only work as metaphorical "revivals" if no one succeeds in solving the epitaph.

>>6660263
This is Battler were talking about, or did you forget how he forgave Beato so easily in ep. 3?

>>6660284
You are forgetting that Yasu is insane.
What she meant in the letter by "returning everything" may not be the same thing as a sane people would think.
She think that Shannon/Kanon are real even though she created them in her imagination, why wouldn't she think she could do the same thing with the others.

>>6660293
>You are forgetting that Yasu is insane.
Except not even a little. Nice try, though.

>>6660300
Living 3 different lives just because and setting up a huge roulette where the lives of 15 people will be bet sure seem like a sign of insanity to me.

>>6660300
Believing yourself to be a witch, thinking ordinary feats is magic, having imaginary friends and multiple personalities is crazy.

>>6660306
Good thing she didn't do any of that, then!

>>6660280
No, i stayed out of shkanontrice discussion, but i've acepted it ever since ep6. You're probably the kind of person that insists shannon is DID. No reading compreension. But thats way beside the point. You're not even trying to prove me wrong. I guess you're too dumb to come up with an argument. No point discussing this with a kid. Let the adults talk, please.

>>6660314
Strong denial you have there.

>>6660312
Yasu was fully aware that she was just playing around. Did you miss that in her scenes of playing with Maria?

>>6660312
>Believing yourself to be a witch
She doesn't.
>thinking ordinary feats is magic
She doesn't.
>having imaginary friends
Really? Lot of crazy children out there, I guess.
>and multiple personalities
She didn't.

>>6660321
You're an idiot.

Go back and reread EP7 because you didn't understand a damn thing about it.

Or are you going to pull the "red herring" card.

>>6660312
When will people get that having an IMAGINATION and being INSANE are diferent things?

>>6660314
Oh god you are even more retarded than I thought.

>>6660315
I never said that she had DID, moron.
But everything about her point to some kind of insanity.
And don't talk about reading comprehension when you are fucking trying to invalidate the first 4 episodes which basically mean completely forgetting the primordial rule of Umihneko that was basically hammered again and again and again.

You are just completely and utterly retarded, maybe other retards will go along with you shitty theories in animesuki or something.

>>6660331
The primordial thing about ep 1-4 being figuring whether the culprit is beatrice...

>>6660339
EP1-4 is sufficient to figuring out who dunnit, how dunnit and why dunnit. Ryukishi even said in an interview that you can solve the mystery by the end of EP4. That's why he had Battler solve it in EP5 to tell the readers "You have enough information. You can solve it too."

SURE, because it's so easy saying "she did it because she was mad". That's like, "the witch did it" of mistery. No need to have a reason. This lonely kid has imaginary friends, that points to insanity. IT'S SO OBVIOUS.

>>6660339
And that doesn't fucking mean that they aren't reliable.

Once again since it seems hammering isn't enough for you, Umineko exist in a cat box, all the possibilities exist at the same level.
The tea party of episode 7 isn't "truer" than episode 1.

>>6660345
That lonely kids also made a plan to kill people.
Also blame Ryuukishi, not me.

>>6660347
When did I say anything about that? I'm saying (and i'm not the only one here saying that) that yasu is not the culprit, and never intended to be. I never sayid i-4 where unreliable. I'm saying that putting "beatrice did it" in doubt has been around ever since the beggining.

>>6660368
Then explain how anyone other than Beatrice could kill in episode 1-4.

>>6660375
Oh and of course a few murders are by other people in episode 3-4, everyone know that.

>>6660375
there is the theory that everything was fake at the beggining, and one of the supossedly dead people started killing people for real, which works in every game. And there is the theory that episodes 1-4 are just stories yasu wrote, thus she could be the culprit (or better, shannon and kanon are the culprits), but since they're only stories, she never really killed anyone.

>>6660385
>there is the theory that everything was fake at the beggining, and one of the supossedly dead people started killing people for real, which works in every game

It doesn't. Only Yasu has the possibility to kill most of the time. Possibility is the key word there

>And there is the theory that episodes 1-4 are just stories yasu wrote, thus she could be the culprit (or better, shannon and kanon are the culprits), but since they're only stories, she never really killed anyone.

And here we are going in circle, what you just written there is "Episode 1-4 aren't reliable and have nothing to do with what really happened" which once again go against the very theme of Umineko.

>>6660396
> which once again go against the very theme of Umineko.
Except the mystery of Umineko is not "What happened on the original Rokkenjima?" The true mystery is, or was, "Who is Beatrice?"

>>6660385
I'm not too sure about any of those, but the ange featherine talk about battlers reaction being a clue should be part of the though process of anyone making a theory. Acepting everything in ep7 in face value means acepting that yasu is mad and killing for stupid reasons, wich is the same as taking episode 2 at face value and acepting that magic exists. SUBTEXT, people, subtext.

>>6660406
Rather, "Who is Beatrice, and why did she write these stories?"

>>6660406
Which doesn't fucking change anything about the CAT BOX setup.

Do you have no fucking reading comprehension whatsoever?

>>6660409
Accepting something from the next to last episode which is supposed to solve that part of the story based on the what the author said isn't the same thing as accepting obvious red herrings from an early episode.

These threads always make me wonder how stupid this fandom can get, I'm surprised every times.

>>6660076

Is this just Beato trolling or the reason why the Battler of 1986 doesn't remember his promise?

>>6660385
> And there is the theory that episodes 1-4 are just stories yasu wrote
Except that's not a theory, and it wouldn't be true even if it were a theory. The only Episodes Yasu has been confirmed to have written were Episodes 1 and 2. Everything since then has been written by Hachijou Touya. ...Assumedly.

>>6660424
It was Beato having lost all hope of Battler remembering and wanting to freeze the game forever.

And here we are going in circle, what you just written there is "Episode 1-4 aren't reliable and have nothing to do with what really happened" which once again go against the very theme of Umineko.

The only two ways too understand the multiple stories we've been seeing is "they're time loops", or "they're diferent fictionalized acounts of what happened". The last games have been making a point about magic not existing, no to talk about the whole cat in a box thing. No matter how much you theorize about something you can't see, the truth should be only one. There should be some measure of thuth in all of them, but they can't be all true, and probably none of them are. If they're written with the intent to provide clues to what really happened, as it's been implied, then they're reliable.

>>6660413
then again, enlighten me as what do you undertand by the cat box setup, or else i'll be forced to think you're the one without reading compreension.

>>6660342
Yeah, the mystery is fully solvable by EP4. The mystery is Beatrice's fictional construct to send Battler a message about her heart. Umineko is a meta story, guys. There's more to it and what happened than "the mystery".

we're autosaging, new tread?

>>6660435
> If they're written with the intent to provide clues to what really happened
More specifically, they're written with the intent to provide clues to Beatrice. Who she really is, what she's like, and how she became that way. Episodes 1 and 2 were likely written by Yasu before the family conference of 1986 even began. And, of course, every episode after that has been written by Hachijou Touya, who figured out the truth of Beatrice. ...Or so she claims. If Hachijou truly has written everything from Episode 3 on, then she knows a lot more than she should. The question is, how and why does she know that? Is it because she truly is Featherine Augustus Aurora, and the Meta World is somehow real, or is she more closely related to the Rokkenjima incident than she's let on?

>>6660435
The cat box setup has nothing to do with magic.
All possibilities exist at the same time because the truth cannot be known.
By understanding the heart of the mystery you can create your own version which will be as "true" as the version Yasu or Hachijou wrote.
That's all.

Episode 1-4 were created by people who understand that heart therefore they are as "true" as the later episodes.
Yasu kills people in these episodes which mean that following that heart she is able to kill in every versions.

>>6660463
In other words, "people can speculate about whatever they want because the truth in the box is unknowable." Which means it allows Yasu to write stories where she is the culprit without it bearing on reality.

Remember how Lion was telling Ange "there's no way your real mother feels those things, that isn't your real mother" under the belief that the Tea Party was just another game, ie, story?

>>6660467
Basically this.

>>6660463
so, we should be on the same page on the fact that none of the "possibilities" we've seen conresponds to what really happened. Why do you deny the idea that yasu is not the real murder, even if she's the one within the first games? i'm puzzled.

>>6660454
Yes please.

>>6660467
The tea party itself isn't necessarily the truth, it's only the version Bern worked out after following everything and seeing Beatrice's scapegoat act.

But once again every stories are viable if they followed the heart.
One of the rule of the cat box is also that the personalities of the characters and their settings (meaning where they come from, etc...) can't be changed as well.
So Yasu who kill in episode 1-4 has also the will to kill based on her personality and setting.

Once again these rules are part of what make Umineko, denying them by saying "it's fiction shit" is just denying Umineko as a whole.

>>6660483
Because Episode 7 Tea Party.

...Actually, didn't Bernkastel state that she wasn't the Game Master for that? Someone else was.

>>6660488
New thread

>>6660502
No one was the Game Master.

>>6660502
Nothing prove that the tea party was the truth.
And Yasu said that she was going to kill them if they didn't solve anything in that tea party so I don't even know what you are trying to say.

Let's just continue in this thread:

>>6660488

>>6660502
that doesn't explain it. If you're infering that teaparty is the absolute truth, your next statement contradicts that. There shouldn't be a gamemaster if it's not fiction.

>>6660496
> So Yasu who kill in episode 1-4 has also the will to kill based on her personality and setting.
Of course, but just because she has the will to kill doesn't mean she actually kills. In fact, pretty much everyone on the island except for Battler, Maria, and possibly Gohda, Nanjo, and Kumasawa, has the will to kill. Even Jessica, in Episode 6, is shown to be able to work up the nerve to commit murder, even though it required a pep talk from the person she was assigned to kill.

>>6660530
Never said that she killed anyone in the true version or whatever though.
Only that she was planning on killing if the roulette moved that way, intent to kill, etc...