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True Murder is Kyrie, Yasu just wrote tales in order to cover that shit.

>>6657053
Yasu is still the murderer of the tales and is considered the culprit.
Oh and she isn't considered a maid character since she is the true heir, that's how.

It means believing in the red fucked you up in the ass.

Simple.

Beatrice's story is

A. Not a Mystery

B. Does not abide by Dine's 20 Wedges.

In Episode 3
when Kyrie was playing dead
why did Nanjo say she was dead?
they are not on the same team

>>6657084
Because money

>>6657061
>Oh and she isn't considered a maid character since she is the true heir, that's how.
Doesnt that make his aggression in the beginning of the story pretty much pointless?

>>6657047
Yasu's only a maid in appearance. At that point she's already technically the family head and filthy rich, putting her out of the scope of the maid/butler archetype who kills her bosses out of greed or envy. Van Dine's rule, fully explained, comes from a time where servants would be culprits simply because they weren't noble and thus must naturally be murderous wretches out for their bosses' money

Umineko Ep7 spoilers!!!

NO DELICIOUS STAKES? WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT?!

why is there so little porn of the seven stakes

>>6657132
Are you dense?
The other maids were stakes in uniform.

>>6657134
because people would rather draw Lion and Yasu dickgirl shit

>>6657137
those maid whores weren't my ass nee-chan's

Reading Tea Party now. "FUCK YEAH" goes in every field. Bern is just too awesome.

>>6657142

Maids>>>>>>>>>>>useless paperweights

Will we get some homolust in EP8?

>>6657138
I thought the japanese where conviced Yasu/lion was a girl and the male thing is just us 4channers being gay

>>6657138

I haven't seen ANY Yasu or Lion futanari.

I have seen a few pieces of Stakes futanari, though.

>>6657144
Fucking Bern. You would think she'd think of a new way to troll outside of her old ass 'I AM NOT EVIL WHOOPS YES I AM AHAHAHA WAIT NO I AM NOT ACTUALLY FOOLED YOU AHAHAHA' schtick.

>>6657150

No matter what Japan said Yasu is left ambiguous. They just don't want to be gay.

>>6657153

I thought the Tea Party was awesome troll

Ange ;_;

>>6657148
nope.avi

>>6657153

Even though I usually love her cruelty. I hated the way she fucked over Lion. She deserves some good beating

>>6657154
but yeah no matter what anybody thinks I think 4channers are really fucking gay and prefer males over females

>>6657157
who wants a second helping of Ange-burgers?!

;_;

>>6657157

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

ahahahaha

Beelzebub is the stake for gluttony, right? If she was a maid, she could have hooked up with Gohda!
Maybe they were dating!

;_;

>>6657161
Oyashiro-sama turns up at the end of Ep8 and locks Bern up in what turns out to be the start of the Higurashi repeating universe as punishment for trolling too much. Umineko is a prequel. Next game takes place after a reformed Bern final escapes the Higurashi storyline. Calling it.

>They hated Bern

What the fuck is wrong with you!!

She was awesome

>>6657150
Japan likes to make Lion into a pretty pretty princess who swoons over Will. They also want to fuck Lion and thus want vagina.

>>6657167


Gohda didn't arive until much much later

Soooo Episode 8.....

Bern said it in red that it would not be a happy ending but Battler tells Ange 'fuck that shit, happy endings all round just for you my darling imouto'. Who is lying?

>>6657178

R07 confirmed bittersweet ending
They are probably both right, Battler only said there were no bad people, only idiots.

>>6657178
Battler didn't say it was a happy end.

YEEEEEEEEAHHHHHH

>>6657182
>only idiots.
Battler didn't say that.

>>6657178
Fuck it, Bernkastel is a confirmed liar. Why does everyone believe her only to get trolled again and again every episode? I'm not buying into her bullshit this time.

>>6657185
BernxWill, anyone?

>>6657189

Will is bi, but Bern is Lambdasexual.

>>6657189
Bernkastel = Diana?

>>6657189
Bern is a lesbian and Will is gay for Lion, so no. Homolust is always better.

At the end of Umineko Ep7

Battler was still alive, right? He wasn't shown to be killed. I can't remember but in one of the older episodes where Eva lived (same as this one) didn't she kill Battler? Or did the bomb get him? Or is it supposed to be left unclear?

>>6657198
Kyrie killed him.

>>6657198

Yes and Yes.

>>6657189

Will/Bern>>>>Beato/Battler

>>6657198
Both.

We're gonna have choices / mutliple endings.

>>6657153
Your mad cause you fell for it.
And will fall for it again.
And again.
And again.
Because deep in your heart, you really want her to be good.
But I'm sorry anonymous.
She can never be your Rika again, Anonymous. Let her go.

>>6657203
Anything is better than Beato/Battler. Fucking your uncle is not cool.

Hey, I have a question.
If all the magic personalities are accounted for as Yasu.
If all the human characters are accounted for as themselves
Then who exactly is Erika?

Erika/Dlanor > Battler/Erika > Will/Lion = Will/Bern >>>>>>>>>>>>> BeaBato > Shit > George/Shannon = Kanon/Jessica > Battler/Shannon

No shipping faggotry please.

>>6657214
The entire islands collective reasoning and deducing of the crimes personified?

I dunno, it's could be fucking Satoko in a wig for all this game lets on.

>>6657214

I really don't understand what issue people have with Erika.

She's simply one possible (answer) to Rokkenjima Cat Box.

In reality, she never made to the island, so "Erika is alive and on the island" is the "wrong" answer to the catbox, and that's why she disappeared.

>>6657213
You'd fuck your uncle.

>>6657213
>Anything is better than Beato/Battler
I'd like to disagree. Battler/Beato is like PeanutButter and Chocolate. Too good to be true.

In fact I'd go so far as to say Battler/(Insert character here) is awesome. Battler is like a packet of noodles, it can be made to go with anything.

>>6657221
You'd fuck YOUR uncle!

So, i don't understand, did people here like Shkannontrice bullshit and ep VII?

>>6657223

Battler is the fandom bycicle. Everyone gets a ride.

Exept George since he's too fat

>>6657221

But Meta-Beato isn't a person!

If anything, she's his grampa

>>6657228

Yes we like EP7. and that theory isn't very rage inducing anymore

Some people mentionned an "Ellery Queen" ending for Umineko. The fuck is this exactly? My anglo literature powerlevel is extremely weak.

>>6657228
Ep7 is great, Shkanontrice is fine.

>>6657187

Yes, he did.

Battler realised his entire family was full of crooks, paedophiles, psychos, transsexuals and fruitcakes so he bumped everyone off, took the money and went home to live with his only normal relative, Ange. Umineko is Battler spinning an awesome story to Ange about how fucked up they all were and how they are better off without those loonies around.

>>6657235
Mainly, we need a moral confrontation between the detective and the culprit.

Ideals must clash, and some form of evil needs to be denounced.

>>6657224
Shut your fucking face, uncle fucker.
You're a cock-sucking, ass-licking uncle fucker.
You're an uncle fucker, yes it's true.
NOBODY fucks uncles quite like you.

>>6657242

No he didn't. You can stop your trolling now

>>6657243
Oh, come now, Gohda was fine, and Jessica was just a lesbian.

>>6657247
>No he didn't. You can stop your trolling now


Read again the scene, idiot

Sauce?

>>6657183
Battler said the ending wasn't sad or painful.

Now, forgive me for being a cynic, but watching Jessica get her head bashed in, Gohda get shot, Maria get shot/her neck slit, and all of that was fucking sad as hell.

The main deal of Umineko was that Battler wasn't a good husbando.
Though I'd let him fuck me anytime ;_;

>>6657254
Confirmed for no love.

>>6657248
The fact that Gohda still hasn't done anything worthwhile or played a major role makes me suspicious that he is still due for a reveal of his past and connections to everything just like everyone else.

>>6657047
Ep1-6 is fiction.
It is implied that Ange world is the canon route and Eva took the truth to the grave because she doesnt want to implicate her parent as the murderers.

All I got to say is, what a fucking copout.
I guess ep8 will give Ange a happy closure with Battler retelling how everyone died but shitty backstory on how Kyri was forced to kill for her sake or some similar sob story.

>>6657256

We now have Will as good husbando material

Him and Kinzo, i mean

>>6657220
That makes sense from a supernatural point of view, but it doesn't make sense from how the world is set up. The world is set up as a duality, each magic personality representing a person or an object. So going by that pattern Erika must represent a person or an object not a possibility.

I'll go with this>>6657219
Erika is a manifestation of somebody's (or several people's) search for the facts. Those people or that person is trying to solve the mystery from a mystery genre point of view using the Knox Rules (personified as the Iron Maidens).

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm13077198
C79 CD samples. So very want.

Who is Erika?

>>6657260
Man whatever way you slice it Gohda, Maria, Jessica, hell even George's deaths are just awful awful things.

I... don't have high hopes for a happy end.

>>6657230
Well done sir.

>>6657262
>That makes sense from a supernatural point of view, but it doesn't make sense from how the world is set up. The world is set up as a duality, each magic personality representing a person or an object. So going by that pattern Erika must represent a person or an object not a possibility.

Wat

>>6657259
Magical Gohda Chef end confirmed

>>6657260
Copout? What, did you want to zomg magically save everyone and erase all the bad outcomes like Higurashi?

>>6657251
Looks like another chapter from that Umineko X Higurashi joke manga.

>>6657268
George is guilty of being jealous, sneaky and fat.

>>6657275
It's from the Matsuribayashi manga

>>6657275
is it available scanned and translated?

I just completed it myself, and I came away with this answer. I'm stunningly dense, so I'm sorry if this sounds really stupid. The point is that, thanks to how things went, it is absolutely impossible for what happened on Rokkenjima to be determined. Not even the witches are able to come up with what happened. Like Will said. The island blew up. For a mystery to exist, you need clues, and whatever clues there were blew up along with most of the island.

>>6657271
Its 5 am, I haven't had my morning coffee and I'm naturally stupid from the start so forgive me, but how does that make her a possibility?

>>6657274
>and erase all the bad outcomes like Higurashi?

That's.. not what happened

>>6657268
>happy end
There wont be happy end but we will get Kyrie motives.
You really think she killed both her children for money? Really? They arent bad people like what Bern said but she is still a fucking murderer.
Hell even Yasushkanontrice is still a bitch. What a fucking pussy. He could probably stop all the killings and murders if he still has his balls but nooo he had to cry like a bitch even with 1bil yen because Battler didnt come back. He could easily leave the island and find Battler with that kind of money and power and even pay for a sex change op to be with his nephew.

>>6657287
ohboyherewego.jpg

>>6657274
>copout
Wait?
You mean you are happy with magical DID, pads/wig disguise, 2cousin liking their own uncle and your main narrator missing a tomato head?

>>6657285
You know what, scratch that, I'm a retard. I figured it out just as I hit enter.

She's just like Yasu right? A possible outcome that Bern manipulated.

>>6657285
>Its 5 am, I haven't had my morning coffee and I'm naturally stupid from the start so forgive me, but how does that make her a possibility?

Because of the cat box.

-Erika falls from the boat:

Now you have two possible outcome

- Erika dies, whatever her body makes or not to the island is irrevant. Either way, she's never found.
- Erika makes to the island alive.

Since no one knows what the fuck happened inside Rokkenjima box and her body was never found, she can be there.

It's not really different from what happened to ep 1-4

You have ep 2 where all the adult except Rosa die in the first twilight, and ep 3, where they all survive.
Infinite possibilities are allowed in the catbox.

>>6657287
All of my hate. ALL OF IT.

What? You say you can't take all of it? WELL HERE HAVE SOME MORE HATE.

HATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATE

I hate you

>>6657294
What I think he meant was. You forgot your spoilertags.

>>6657290
It was well told and built up to, so yes? And that wasn't what was being talked about in the first place?

Well no matter what Bern pulls out it won't matter, the truth has to be found out by a human. That's why Erika was such a threat. So fuck Bern's interpretation. Hell, why stop their. Fuck Bern. Literally.

>>6657290
>your main narrator missing a tomato head?
Who did what now?
Explain.

>>6657311
There may have not been any actual murders in the first twilight...or even if there were, not as many as you might've thought.

>>6657314
The first twilight of episode 1, that is.

You know what? After Episode 7 and the whole Lion thing I'm saying that Lion being Jessica's sibling is a hint to say that Jessica is just another Yasu personality. And by that reasoning, Yasu is no longer the dominent or prime personalty, it's Jessica. Who isn't Krauss and Natsuhi's child at all but Kinzo and Kuwadorian Beatrice's kid - exactly like Lion. Natsuhi never gave birth at all so she was given Jessica. Jessica is the main personalty that encompanies Beatrice, Shannon, and Kannon. Yasu is a red herring

>>6657317
Holy shit, genius!

>>6657318
joke post

right?

>>6657290

I don't get the part about the uncle, what's the problem?
They don't even know.

Shkannon is a pretty shitty answer, but it could have been worse.
I mean, i'm pretty sure most of the people thought Shannon=Kanon after starting ep 1, but discharged it because it was too retarded.

Thinking about it, R07 said the answer could be found with only ep 1-2, and Shkannon was effectively the only viable answer.

Still, i think there is still something to find about the "Why", it's obvious for Will words in the Tea Party that there are other reasons.

>>6657301

Guy needs to deal with it.jpg

Seriously if he hasn't learned by now to avoid Umineko threads like the plague because he hasn't read the latest episode it's his own fucking fault. With things like Umineko it's too ridiculous to expect people to spoiler everything since there's too much to.

>>6657318
I kind of doubt this because Kyrie explicitly confronts and kills both Beatrice and Jessica, in that order. I suppose you could say that this was Bernkastel working up an illusion to make them seem like separate people, though...

>>6657321
Jestriceshkanon would explain a lot of shit easily.

>>6657318
That would be mind blowing awesome. Classic misdirection. but if that was the case then whats the point of Jessica and Kanon's romance?

>>6657332
Everything has already been explained.
When will you stop with your Jessitrice shit? She was just a red herring, live with it.

>>6657332

>>6657330
You could argue that Kyrie beat the face of 'Jessica' with the butt of her gun until it was unrecognisable. Why? She had it pointed at 'Jessica's' face at point blank range before the scene change. The 'Beatrice' in the VIP room could be explained as a different person or like Eva, believed to be killed but not. Or if you want to get really outlandish it could of been a tape recorder explaining the gold and clock with the name Beatrice written on it.

So, Bern showed Lion that no matter what happens, s/he gets killed. That's because by the adults finding the gold and going batshit on each other. Will told Lion to not to believe it, because there is a happy end. What I don't understand here, is the actual trigger.

I mean, we've seen Beato piling up a bunch of loaded gun next to the gold, so that's why they started shooting each other. But in Lion's world there is no Beato, and I don't see why would they store the guns in the VIP room. Aren't the guns originally come from Kinzo's study? Kinzo is still alive in this world, so there is just no weapon to start the massacre, even if they denounce Lion, it's just impossible for them to get the guns.

Except if someone came to the island with a stake shooter, hurr.

>>6657333
Just more multiple personalty shit. Seeing it like this would make the fight Kanon had with a stake protecting Jessica and where Kanon led a blind Jessica to safety (was that the same episode?).

>>6657324
>find about the "Why"
I am pretty sure he is talking about Kyrie "Why". I find it hard to believe that greed justify killing two of her own children. It is pretty obvious that Battler real mother is actually Kyrie.

If he is Kinzo son, wouldnt that make him their uncle. Genji probably cant bear to see Kinzo raping his own son thinking that he is Beato and thus hidden him away.

In a week we'll all know the truth.

And I'd wager that most people are going to be disappointed and call BULLSHIT at the official ending. Taking all bets!

>>6657355
I dont give a fuck about the ending. Does that make me the zero on your roulette?

>>6657357
ALWAYS BET ON BLACK

>>6657357
Same here.
After ep6, umineko is shit tier in my book.
I am just waiting for the last ep so that I can laugh at how ridiculous it is. I was laughing pretty hard already in ep7 when they confirmed how the baby didnt die from falling off a cliff on an island without doctor and how everyone play along with the yashkanontrice charade. I would have understood if it just Maria but Jessica as well? Oh come on.....

Yasu is obviously a female. I doubt she is a hermaphrodite.;_;

All this IT'S A TRAP theorizing is moving the story from a mystery/thriller theme to bog standard anime shit. I kind of hope it doesn't go in that direction for real.

>>6657372
Female wouldn't be cursing her body like this. It's either:
a) hermaphrodite
b) a place where dick was before falling from the cliff occured.

>>6657377
Being "hermaphrodite" isn't an injury. I guess that her dick was damaged badly because lolcliff.

>>6657377
Maybe instead of penis falling off it means barren womb?

>>6657382
Not something noticeable, how would she know?
I doubt she would curse her body since she was a kid just for that

>>6657377
I don't know why we are expected to take those 3 red scenes as absolute truth. Sure the second one was already proven (IT'S KINZO TIME! NO DADDY NO!) but the first with Kinzo initially stealing the Italians gold contradicts a good chunk of the episode. All of those scenes could be true but taken well out of context as well

>>6657388
Perhaps she has horrible scars in the genital area

>>6657388
How would he/she know if they had a sex change when they were a baby unless they were told? And what would that accomplish either, especially when Genji and Nanjo were highly protective of the child and their true identity. Either theory is a bit stretch.

>>6657394
But that good chunk of the episode was all told by Kinzo. Obviously he'd leave out that part.

>>6657399
no scaring anywhere on the body except the genitals? sounds a little too convenient

>>6657405
Not only that, remember how Kinzo is always 'kill everybody when you have to!' and he actually admitted that he was once faced with the choice of dying himself, killing his love or killing everyone else, he chose the latter? The red scenes are definitely the truth.

>>6657337
Saved.

>>6657407
And falling down the cliff and still survive doesnt sound convenient?

>>6657415
Normally if you take a header off something tall like a building or a cliff, you land on your head not on your dick. Perhaps they are referring to brain damage and the multiple personality disorder which makes them incapable of loving just one person? I know I might be grabbing at straws here but I don't like how this transgender theory has been taken as canon by a large section of the fanbase with no confirmation or proof. I'm not saying it's incorrect but it'd be pretty lazy just to latch onto a single theory seen on the internet and run with only that.

>>6657348
>I am pretty sure he is talking about Kyrie "Why". I find it hard to believe that greed justify killing two of her own children. It is pretty obvious that Battler real mother is actually Kyrie.

I dunno, but considering how much he's protective toward Clair.. and Battler reaction in ep V doesn't make any sense.

Even Featherine pointed out, there has to be something HUGE that we are missing about Beato's heart.

R07 can do many things wrong, but he definitely know how to make someone sympathetic. Shion mass murdered her entire family and friends, but i still bawwww'ed at her shitty fate.

Hey /jp/, do you remember the random numbers painted on the wall/door? Was I the only one who started to think about them when Beatrice mentioned a 8-digit code needed for the credit card?

>>6657435

That's because it is the code.

I only like Lion as a male.

>>6657430
Dude it is the truth already, what more do you want?
This is just like at the end of ep6 with people still denying shkanontrice. Do you want it stated in red?
"Lioyashkanontrice is a boy"

So i gathered that in the world without Lion, if the epitaph is solved then the relatives end up killing each, if the epitaph isn't solved then yasushkanontrice kills everyone. In the world with Lion if the epitaph is solved the relatives kill eachother, but what happens if nobody solves the epitaph in that world? Does Kinzo just blow the island up or something?

>>6657442
Traps cant have such juicy displays.

Okay, how about this?
Yasu has a horrible injury somewhere, not necessarily on the genitals, that makes them think that anyone seeing them naked would be disgusted. This way, Yasu´s gender is still ambiguous.

>>6657444
>So i gathered that in the world without Lion, if the epitaph is solved then the relatives end up killing each, if the epitaph isn't solved then yasushkanontrice kills everyone. In the world with Lion if the epitaph is solved the relatives kill eachother, but what happens if nobody solves the epitaph in that world? Does Kinzo just blow the island up or something?

Everyone lives happily ever after

>>6657433

Will told to Lion that if he felt sympathetic or not towards Yasu was its own decission. So it's pretty much the same for all of us. Pity Yasu or call it a slut, your choice.

Personally I can pity and kind of understand Yasu. And I have seen many people who also does. Stop thinking there is something left. There isn't.

>>6657355
this is a bet i know i will lose but here it goes....Amakusa = Battler.

>>6657451
>slut
How can you call a man that cant fuck a slut?
George is the slut there, hiding Battler letter.
Faggot deserved his dying as a virgin.

>>6657456
There is no indication that George hid anything.
And she couldn't decide between 2 guys, that's why she decided to start the roulette, that's being a slut right there

>>6657458
Beato loves Battler.
Shannon loves George.
DID not slut, learn the difference.

>>6657458
Technically, being a slut would be if she decided to bang both of them, not because she can't decide, so really the problem is that she refuses to be a slut

>>6657454
Unpossible, Amakusa as a young soldier appears in Higurashi manga therefore he can't be Battler except the other Battler or meta-only Battler.
So much sweet moon-chan yesterday. Things has sure gone downhill when the americans woke up.

>>6657459
Not DID, just play acting.

>>6657461
Alright not a slut, just an insane bitch drama-whore.

>>6657466
Everyone denied a connection with Higurashi and now you're claiming that Amakusa was in Higurashi? Come on!

I really fell for Ange in this episode, i hated her in ep IV and i was neutral in ep VI, but damn if she doesn't deserve a happy ending.

>>6657469
Now, you ARE American, aren't you

I bet you also don't remember that the true mastermind of Higurashi and the only person who really either needed or just wanted Hinamizawa erased is an dark haired anonymous woman in a position of power. Takano meets her in a car after the Hinamizawa Syndrome research is going to be cancelled and is told that strings can be pulled and the research can be prolonged, if... Reread Matsuribayashi.

>>6657468
>Not DID, just play acting.

It's clearly DID

>>6657469
Umineko and Higurashi are connected. Deal with it.

>>6657477
World peace conspiracies, world peace conspiracies everywhere

>>6657478
It's clearly not. Yasu is conscious of all of her roles, switches between them at will depending on situation and modifies them however she likes based on her own decisions. Conversations with Beato are just her inner conflicts.

>>6657477
not AuAu, right?

>>6657487
I know it's farfetched as fuck, but I can't think otherwise than it's the Game Master himself. Higurashi is a game of solitare. The game master would be Hanyuu/Featherine, so this woman is a way to connect them with Au Au, not to say Asumu.

>>6657477
in the anime she has grey hair, dunno if that changes anything.

Why did ryu07 decide to have so many connecting characters between cicadas and seacats? I hope theres something in the end for them.

>>6657478
In DID, the various personalities aren't aware of the other.
Yasu's case is clearly completely different.

>>6657492

not the person you're replying to but I just remembered sometihng interesting. yasu kept on losing her keys and they ended up in spots she didnt remember leaving them in, DID?

>>6657492
You must have missed the Shannon wakes up and forget everything.
It is clearly DID. She thinks Kanon is her little brother and not as part of herself.

>>6657492
>In DID, the various personalities aren't aware of the other.

DID in fiction work really, really differently.

>>6657496
That means she's aware of Kanon, no?

>>6657440
Well congratulations, you are the kind of scum that watches kiddie shounen shit for yaoi undertones.

>>6657490
Wait what does Asumu have to do with it?

>>6657501

I actually don't

>>6657501
way too much mustard, gb2 newgrounds
Brotip: /jp/ has the highest requiments to accept any newfriends out of all the boards and it's clealy too Lawful a place for your Chaotic troll-fu to shake it anywhere.

>>6657479
You are the faggots who denied it since the beginning and I have to deal with it? Cool story, bro.

>>6657503
Her name and her unconfirmed situation.

Higurashi and Umineko aren't connected fucking idiots, even R07 said it.
Stop taking a non-canon manga that was just drawn for fun as fact.

>>6657514
Weep more tears of sweet denial, they are great in salting up the mystery soup.

>>6657516
I bet you were the type of fags who kept denying ShKanontrice till the end.

>>6657514
they have the same characters, but they're most likely just references. the meta world is jsut a story remember? higurashi is a game/tv show in umineko universe. Just some bitch who loved higurashi and wrote the characters into a murder novel.

I don't know anymore how i feel about Beato and Battler/Beatrice

I don't like the dia of shipping Battler whith his Aunt and also think Beato became kinda.. boring.

>>6657519
So in other words...

Umineko is now officially a Higurashi fanfic?

>>6657518
I refused it, but didn't deny it. In fact, I don't really remember anyone outright denying it except for my few unfortunate visits on Animesuki.
That said, the mangaka knows the truth about both Higurashi and Umineko and the one in Matsuribayashi seemed to like proper story building quite a bit.

>>6657519
>higurashi is a game/tv show in umineko universe
>arguing with the anime

GOo/jp/.jpg

Maybe simply Featherine observed Higurashi and then wrote a story about it in Umineko kakera.

>>6657534
in the visual novel battler mention higurashi no naku koro ni as a game he played/read (can't remember the exact details, but it was a work of fiction he had heard of)
in the anime it's a tv show, in the manga Bernkastel has her own tv show that maria watches.
Just because you don't like the anime doesn't mean it also reinforces that higurashi is a known work of fiction in the umineko universe.

>>6657537
here again.
also Okonogi is in both universes (not meta) so don't know whats happening there. there's obviously something up with all the higurashi references.

Meanwhile the witches laugh...

Nice evil smile Bern

anybody have that pic of screenshots from Higurashi Rei how it explains how Rika becomes/seperates herself from Bernkastel? I lost it..

>>6657545

Those trollafaces are awful

>>6657546

There is nothing really hard to explain, she won't use her power again, therefor is connection with the meta-world version of herself is severed.

>>6657545
I love them! especially lambda's
upload bern's nipaa~~

>>6657550
I just need it incase I need to spoonfeed fags who still don't get who Bernkastel is, and peple who don't believe they are the same.

>>6657547

Bern's trollface is more of an evil smile while Lambda looks like a vampire.

George is not amused with all this "FAT FAT FAT" jokes

>>6657561


Even your mom and girlfriend told you were fat

>>6657545
Fuck that's awesome. Missed the UPS man with my package today so I'll go pick it up from the depot in the morning.

>>6657561
Looks like PS3 George hit the gym. Still a gigantic faggot though.

>>6657561
>>6657545
I just noticed something. Does everyone in Umineko have a fang or is it a Ushiromiya trait only?

>>6657578

No the majority of the Umineko characters have fangs.

>>6657578
Quality dentist care.

>>6657561

Your fat ass scared Ange. Stop denying the obvious fat fat fat.

>>6657545
>>6657561

It's sad how many people will never play with the original sprites once this shit game out,

>>6657591

It's already out. And honestly not everyone has a PS3 or can fully read Japanese so you don't have to worry about that.

Now have some Dragon Kinzo

>>6657600

wat

>>6657591
they're not THAT great. I read higurashi without using the original sprites and it's still my favourite visual novel

>>6657604

Because Higurashi sprites were the shittiest thing ever.

ps3/anime/everything other than the VN battler looks so pale. I miss tanned battler.

Ans suddenly batman

>>6657604

Higurashi doesn't rely on trollfaces

Also, Higurashi original sprites are quite ugly, while Umineko sprite have charm.

>>6657607
>>6657611
While ryu's art has charm, I wouldn't mind replaying umineko with the new graphics. they are drawn better and look more pleasing to the eye, even if they don't have the trademark silly faces.

>>6657568
>Even your mom and girlfriend told you were fat

Could I get a screenshot of this?

I think Shannon was warning him that he would get fat if he ate like that...

>>6657388
>Not something noticeable, how would she know?
Because Nanjo and Genji tell her, since they also tell her everything else. What would they do, keep the injury a secret until Yasu learns it by herself?

Why are people saying "Shkanontrice"
The reason R07 disagrees with it is because it's just "Shannontrice"
Or in this case
"Lioyashannontrice" or whatever
Shannon did say a new servant boy would arrive at the time she woke up from the dream...

>>6657665
And that new servant boy is just her new part. It's like when Beatrice transforms the two beds room into a one bed room, it's just Yasu' delusions shifting around.

>>6657665

DO YOU REALLY WANT ME TO GET KANON?

>>6657665
How can someone still not see shkanon after ep7.

>>6657665

"Illusions to illusions. ......Illusions who have fulfilled their role do not leave a corpse."

>>6657675
Gah, not you again! Fuck fuck fuck no I don't need Kanon now put your fucking pupils back in and stop speaking in ALL CAPS you spooky nut. You pull something similar with slit-iris's and I'm hauling ass double time.

>>6657675
I came at this scene.

>>6657743
I shit bricks.

Then it turned out to be a cock tease. Fuckers.

Am I the only one who feels that multiple personalties, 3 in one maid/witch/heir doesn't explain shit?

That is old news, and after episode 6 ranted about it the entire episode it was sort of really pummelled in.
And now all of episode 7 was about confirming what episode 6 went on and on about.

But how does it matter?
There was a lot of bullshit with the people not checking Shannon's corpse the first twilight of the first episode etc I know. Kanon doesn't have a corpse because he doesn't have a real form and all that.

But there are still complications all over the place.
Rudolf knew he was most likely going to die in the previous episodes, how/why/what did he know?
Kyrie is Battler's real mom, and? Is this supposed to be a hint of her being the culprit?
Maria was never afraid, not even when people started dying, is she just retarded or did she know something?
It is still not exactly as if the introduction of Yasu magically solves all mysteries, and it is not exactly as if Wright's spectacular display of "Illusions to Illusions, Earth to Earth" simply takes care of everything.

Episode 7 was increadibly dull, it basically went into confirming Yasu, something episode 6 should have been able to do.
Ryu07, you don't need to write two entire episodes to explain a plot element there has been hints about since the beginning.
Episode 7 is basically episode 6, but with an even narrower theme.

>>6657759
>Maria was never afraid, not even when people started dying, is she just retarded or did she know something?

Just retarded.

For me, Episode 6 was all about Erika being awesome.

>>6657759
Yeah.
Most of episode 7 was just "episode 6 for dummy".
That's why I thought it was a weak episode, Ryuukishi sure love to hammer things again and again and again.

>>6657764

Ep7 is pretty shit except for:

- Kinzo's flashback
- Kyrie and Rudolph murdering people

>>6657764
Well hammering the whole point of Higurashi in the answer arcs, in three different ways was sort of enjoyable, which is why the actual story of Matsuribayashi sucks hairy balls. Way too obnoxious.

>>6657342

>In Lions world

Lions world is a special kakera that Bernkastel made by combining several other worlds together.

In this special fragment, Lion, Shannon/Kannon both exist. If Shannon/Kannon exist, then Beatrice exists.

>>6657759

>Rudolf knew he was most likely going to die in the previous episodes, how/why/what did he know?
Lots of gold, greedy people. If the Epitaph had been solved by the adults at this point, he expects something similar to the tea party.
>Kyrie is Battler's real mom, and? Is this supposed to be a hint of her being the culprit?
Not too sure about this one myself
>Maria was never afraid, not even when people started dying, is she just retarded or did she know something?
She knew Yasu as Beatrice
>It is still not exactly as if the introduction of Yasu magically solves all mysteries, and it is not exactly as if Wright's spectacular display of "Illusions to Illusions, Earth to Earth" simply takes care of everything.
It takes care of the illusion of the witch, which was the point of Beatrice

Ep 6 was the who dunnit
Ep 7 was the why dunnit

>>6657759
>Maria was never afraid, not even when people started dying, is she just retarded or did she know something?
Did you miss the whole part where Yasu and Maria build Mariage Sorciere?
She obviously considers Yasu a separate part of Shannon/Kanon whatever since she says they would speak about magic only when they could confirm their "witch alternate personalities" were speaking to each other.

Where has it been confirmed that Kyrie is Battler's mother?

>>6657764
What's sad is that some people still don't understand.

Some people are just dense and can't understand anything not directly answered.

It's a common fruit. It's red and round and grows from a tree.

It's obviously an apple but then you get some people who are like: "Apple is too obvious. It's a red herring. The answer can't be that obvious."

>>6657764
>Most of episode 7 was just "episode 6 for dummy".


EP 6 was garbage with shitty writing and cockteasing about Shkannon and the truth that didn't solve shit.
The only redemption point was Erika being awesome.


EP VII has better writing, gets its shit done and has more interesting characters all along. plus homolust

>...it is not exactly as if Wright's spectacular display of "Illusions to Illusions, Earth to Earth" simply takes care of everything.

Pretty much confirmed what's fake and what's real - what more do you need as far as these puzzles go? During 1-4, our heads were banging against verifying the red vs perspectives (battler's, other people's, and narrator's).

Shannon and Kanon are the same person.

Kanon starts out as an imaginary comfort friend for Shanon, then a potential boyfriend for Jessica.

How can Kanon and Shannon exist at the same time without anyone being suspicious? Yasu has a fuck ton of money. Genji vouched for the existence of Kanon, thus Kanon became real.

>>6657793
Genji takes care of everything servant wise too. Natsuhi and Krauss don't really do anything.

The whole Shannon=Kanon is just a more elaborate illusion than Kinzo already being dead.

>>6657793
Genji takes care of everything servant wise too. Natsuhi and Krauss don't really do anything.

The whole Kanon thing is just a more elaborate illusion of Kinzo already being dead.

>6657786

Battler couldn't say he is son of Asumu in red, him being rudolf's son and kinzo's grandson is undeniable (backed by Ange's red). That leaves Kyrie.

EP6 was my least favourite episode. so shitty. I hate Erika, such a shit unnessecary character. It was just a huge mess of an episode. The whole logic error thing dragged out way too long as well.

EP7 and EP5 are my favourites, which is funny because arc 7 and arc 5 of Higurashi are also my favourites.

Yasu doesn't even exist. It's Jessica with all the multiple personalties. Jessica is basically Lion without Lion existing.

>>6657804
The only thing thats been said in red is:
"You are not Ushiromiya Asumu's son (Used by Beatrice to refer to Battler.)" So Battlers mother could be anyone from Kyrie to Rosa.

>>6657804
It also leaves other people too. Perhaps Kinzo got his Goofy Time on more than once with Beatrice 2, hence why Battler looks similar to Kinzo in his younger days.

>>6657807
lol guys EP7 is a red herring.

>>6657815
Isnt it said somewhere that Kinzo liked Battler more than the other (grand?)children. Then this would actually be very believeable.

There's no proof that Battler really exists. He was just a delusion made by Yasu.
The real Battler doesn't give a shit about Yasu.

...But Battler has the same hair as Ange.

>>6657764
And then in that case, ep6 was even worse with all the LOVE OH LOVE shit thrown around.
By that time most of us already accepted LOLDID, we didnt need R07 to keep repeating it again and again like an autist kid.

Ep7 was a huge improvement compare to ep6 since it gave us Lion and Will.
Both of them are great characters and make a good pairing even with the homolust hanging all over them.

>>6657815

Agh, THIS IS ENTIRELY BELIEVABLE. Yasu looks like her mother and Battler looks like Kinzo, his father.

How are these children not coming out with birth defects?

>>6657828
Perhaps Ange is also neither Kyrie nor Asumu's daughter.

>>6657828

That red hair is a red herring

>>6657835
Erm, how is Rudolf Battler's father if he came from Kinzo sperm?

>>6657835
Are you kidding? They might not have two heads but the entire family is nuttier than a Snickers bar.

Although Kinzo does have the 6 toe thing.......

Episode 8 ends in a Fantasy vs Mystery disco party

>>6657843
The same way Krauss is Lion's father.

>>6657843
Has it been stated in red that Rudolf is Battlers father?

>>6657831
>By that time most of us already accepted LOLDID, we didnt need R07 to keep repeating it again and again like an autist kid.

Yeah, that bothered me a lot.

I mean, R07 and the characters themself said that there was a "hint" in the duel.

IT'S NOT A FUCKING HINT, IT'S FUCKING SLAMMED IN YOUR FACE.
Only a retarded wouldn't pick up Shkannontrice shanninganshit.

The only reason people refused it, it's because a servant with DID running around and killing personalities sounded fucking stupid (it still shitty today, but ep VII made it bearable) and it was so slammed in your face that looked like a gigantic red herring.

Please explain to me, why did Yasu kill everyone?
I don't know if I simply find the motive to be stupid, or if I simply don't get it.

Or is love for 12 year olds such serious bussiness to have people killed when a promise is forgotten? And after having been granted the position of the head, and enherited all the gold.
How is one supposed to sympathize with those murders?

Sure being an orphan most likely sucks, but not all orphans turns out murderers. And wasn't most if not all the servants of the Fukuin house orphans?
My impression was that Yasu/Shannon lived a somewhat tough life, but a passable life, and one with promise, room for growth, choices, and all that stuff.
Surely she must have had similair dreams and ambitions as the other orphans, but why did this one turn sour enough to result in murders when the reuniun with her first boyfriend didn't go as expected?
Inheriting all the gold, ending up as the head of the rich and powerful family, having not just 1, but 2 boys (and a girl), in love with you. I bet most if not all the other servants of the Fukuin house would envy that immensly.

So is Yasu/Shannon/Kanon just crazy and spoiled? How is it supposed one is to sympethise with her?
Isn't she basically like the other servants, only much more lucky, yet much more crazy?

So I guess its safe to say that this is the 8 digit pin code for the bank account?

Kyrie apparently gave birth to a still born child but Asumu's lived. Then there is the theory that this is the other way around but the babies were switched.

What if both were DOA or shortly afterwards and a Kinzo Kid was used as a replacement? Yasu/Beatrice 3 and Battler could be brother and sister, twins even.

Umineko is a red herring.

>>6657860

Yasu didn't kill anyone, he planned to, but the adults found the gold.

Everything else is fanfction written by Yasu in order to cover Rokkenjima shitty truth.

Or at least this his my interpretation of the story.

>>6657860
You aren't expected to sympathize with Yasu.

You can if you want but it doesn't expect you to.

>>6657860
Yasu was bullied by the other servants from the start and started to believe in witch to make her everyday life easier (connection with Marias childhood?). But that doesnt justify murder imo, so there's probably something very complicated and probably has something to do with Battler arriving the time he did.

>>6657863
EP4 already answered that. The answer is yes.

>>6657828
And no one in Ushiromiya is a redhead except Battler, hell even young Kinzo who said to be looks like Battler is white haired.

>>6657815
>Kinzo got his Goofy Time on more than once with Beatrice 2
Fucking incest, how do they work!
First it's father/daughter (Kinzo/Lolitrice) and then it's sibling (Bea/Bato).

>>6657860

Yasu did say that nobody would understand her motive, and Will, when asked by Lion if the motive was a good enough reason to kill, said to decide that for yourself.

>>6657872

I don't get why people are expecting to "sympathize" with the villain, or have the villain's murders be "justified."

90% of mystery novels, the criminal has a reason for their crimes, but they're selfish/evil/unjustified reasons.

This mystery is no different.

There's a big difference from "understanding the Heart" and "accepting the reason of the Heart as a good and noble reason."

>>6657869

Isn't the world of Ep7 Tea Party just a mashup between Lion's world, where the siblings find the gold and Kyrie rapes everyone mixed with some of Bern's bullshit or what really happened in Beato's world?

Will I ever hear details on that story about about a servant falling down the stairs because (s)he badmouthed Beatrice? Was it just a rumour? A random accident? Yasu throwing people down the stairs (oh the irony)? It happened during the two skipped years, it bothers me.

This entire story is getting kind of silly.

I enjoyed the Question Arc episodes but the Answer arc's after 5 have been introducing more and more unnecessary characters and the plot getting bloated and convoluted. I liked it when there were closed room murders to solve and magic to call 'horseshit'.

Yasu was bullied, lied and had a broken body.

Developed DID and had bizarre fantasies.

By the time he found the gold and the truth about himself he had 3 persons inside his head, each one of them wanted something, and they couldn't find an agreement. Also Genji sucked his cock and didn't try to stop this bizarre fantasies.

That's why, when Battler returned the same day as Geroge and fatty proposed to her she loses it, and decided to rely on the roulette.

There is probably something else, as Bern and Battler implied there nothing on this shit happened to Rokkenjima prime. Maybe.

>>6657792
>what more do you need as far as these puzzles go?
I don't know. Some sense of continuity, or ellaboration.
For example, if Shannon was never dead in the first twilight of the first episode, then why did Nanjo and Natsuhi cover for her?
What was their story? Etc etc, things like that.
In some situations it can turn pretty complicated with Shannon and Kanon's life/death status, and the position of everyone else combined with the whatever leeway is left from the closed room murders.


I remember a few threads from after Ep6 where people tried to sort out all the twilights of all the episodes.
Ammusingly people had trouble with agreeing with eachother or filling in all the spots. It was sort of messy and not that easy at all.
And as Ep7 hasn't really confirmed anything new, it doesn't exactly change anything.

>>6657884

I was assuming that was Kanon, and then Yasu replaces Kanon for whatever reason to cover it up. But then there was nothing about this in EP7, and no explanation for noone noticing ShKanon either.

>>6657886

Still leagues ahead better than INVISIBLE BRAIN PARASITES, but R07 just went went too far with the number of personalities. Even if Yasu can pass as a normal or reverse trap well enough to fool everyone for two years, being Shannon, being Kanon, wrecking shit at night and fooling Maria is too much. They went all the way to explain the bomb might as well explain this.

>>6657880

Thats just it though. We had several scenes with Will, Battler, and Shannon/Yasu in which they denounced petty motives as no good for mystery stories. They're equivalent to mysteries with no heart.

We've been getting this "Without love, it cannot be seen" shit from the beginning. There HAS to be a better explanation than just indecisive psychotic meido.

I can't believe I seriously saw people in this thread still going "lol how did rudolf know he was going to die in EP1".

Rudolf and Battler both say things in needlessly dramatic ways. Rudolf means that Kyrie is going to be really pissed off when he explains the truth behind Battler's birth.

>>6657907
>fooling Maria
Thats no hard task Shes is more than mildly retarded you know?

On the page with the whole "body which cannot even love!!" thing:

When I first read that, I assumed it was Genji's backstory.

Just something to think about.

>>6657870
>You aren't expected to sympathize with Yasu.
>You can if you want but it doesn't expect you to.
It has little to do with expectations, but rather, it shouldn't be hard to do, or even if it would be, it should be easily understandable.

Remember how Ange went on and on in episode 5 how there must be a good reason for the murders?
Her reasoning was that Battler couldn't possibly love/forgive Beatrice for murdering his entire family and himself if there was no good reason.

Is, "I am sorry you always loved me and I stood you up" supposed to make Battler sympathise for Yasu and not care about his entire familly being having been murdered?

It isn't a good enough motive for that, and following Ange's logic, the motive has to be a good one.

I think I'm honestly still with the "Yasu sets up a fake murder mystery, then it gets out of hand"group, because I thins it's the ost satisfying explanation.

But I guess we'll see at the end of this month, hopefully.

>>6657907
Holy fuck, what the is to know more about the puzzles? Are you fucking stupid?

With Nanjo, Genji as accomplices and Shkannon everything is solved. Will words leave no doubt.
The only things you can argue is whatever Ep III and IV were hijacked by Eva and Kyrie or not.


>Still leagues ahead better than INVISIBLE BRAIN PARASITES, but R07 just went went too far with the number of personalities.

Animefag detected

>>6657922
>I can't believe I seriously saw people in this thread still going "lol how did rudolf know he was going to die in EP1".
I bet it is because it wasn't just EP1. If it wasn't shown repeatidly I bet people wouldn't care as much.

Here are the bunch of Reds to Battler

Battler
I am Ushiromiya Battler
It was from Ushiro[missing blah blah I was born from]. *Choked and words won't come out*

Beato
And I opened this game in order to fight Ushiromiya Kinzo's grandchild Ushiromiya Battler.
You are not Ushiromiya Asumu's son.

Then from Ange
No one except Kinzo's grandchild Battler is qualified to be an opponent.

So Battler being Kinzo's one of sons - nada. Definitely grandson.

PS: How the hell did Yasu-Shannon know the baby switching?

>>6657930

Why would you think that? We know its referring to Yasu since she was the only servant to be involved in an accident that could fuck up her body that much. Nanjo is also the one who saves her, and she's deliberately pissed at him.

She also NEVER calls herself furniture before this point. After she finds the gold and starts asking the other servants questions, she finds out that her body is beyond repair, and then considers herself nothing more than furniture.

And what do we know about furniture from the other episodes? They are incomplete, have no right to love, and are gender ambiguous.

You know what I love about these threads? That they are full of people full of themselves that, when asked by someone about something maybe not that easy to understand, istantaneously go "OMFG, ARE YOU STUPID? DID YOU READ THE NOVEL AT ALL?"

Seriously guys, we're here to discuss.

>>6657946
>PS: How the hell did Yasu-Shannon know the baby switching?

Meta-Beato did

META-BEATO IS NOT A PERSON. She's the embodiment of Rokkenjima Mystery.

My crazy theory. Would explain the red hair, give greater weight to Battler's 'sin', and explain Kyrie's 'fuck the kids, I want the cash' attitude. Okay, the third and final part may be a little far fetched but the second part with the Battler addition? I'm feeling it.

>>6657946

technically, if Battler was Kinzo and Kuwadorian's son, then he would be Kinzo's son AND grandson

>>6657965
If that were true, Battler would have had to have given birth to a child when he was like 12...

>>6657965
Ange would be literally retarded this way.

>>6657966
Well, shit. I didnt actually think of that. Nice observation comrade.

>>6657977
And a 12 year old fathering a kid sounds strange in this fucking game?

I survived falling off of a cliff twice!

>>6657977
>Battler would have had to have given birth to a child

what

anyway, a 12 year old boy and 13 year old girl could easily have a child. I still think this theory is nonsense, but it's not technically impossible.

>>6657965
I can see some merit in the second part of your theory.

The third part? Naw dawg.

>>6657965
I'm pretty sure Kyrie gave birth to Ange personally since she thinks of her as her child unlike Battler.

>>6657965

Its impossible for Beatrice III to give birth since her body is fucked up. Plus, we don't even know if she's a boy or a girl.

>>6657932
Yasu never killed anybody in the real world. The deaths you see in EP1-6 are merely tales.

She planned to kill everybody had the epitaph not been solved but was never given the chance.

That is why Battler's sympathizes with her

I like how everyone ignore Clair confession.

>>6657966

No, he would just be kinzo's son. Kinzo will know, as seen on Yasu with the silver ring, and kinzo wouldn't be as twisted if he had 2 kids (he only went nuts because there was only one to remind himself of elder beato).

>>6657998
What? Does Battler symphatize with Yasu becuase she didnt get to kill anyone?

>>6657966
Oh come on.
We already have a papacest.
We dont need another twincest.

>>6658008

If so then he must be a saint.

>>6658005
They were twins and a Darth Vader was pulled on Kinzo, he never knew about Battler. Genji sent Battler to Rudolph as a replacement for his two dead sons from different mothers.

>>6658008
Her sympathizes with her because her put her through agony of waiting for his return and meting a tragic end.

Yasu never achieved her happiness. The epitaph was solved and she was shot dead.

>>6658011

or cousincest/aunt or uncest

Damn incest is really something in Umineko

>>6657998
Being fully committed to and planning on killing everyone is just as bad as actually carrying it out.

We'll be needing a new thread.

>>6658022
To you maybe.

Not to Battler apparently.

>>6658021
everyone knows Rosa wants Battler's cock and a new papa for Maria

>>6658008

I guess, he understand she's sympathetic.
Plus Beato sticked along for the ride in Ep I-IV despite the fact she never killed anyone.

>>6658015

Of course! Rudolf cannot father children, HE is the one with a body incapable of love, his womanizing life just puts him deeper into despair and tips him towards madness.

I'm pretty sure we can come up with a theory for every character.

Genji was one of the soldiers on Rokkenjima, and got shot in the dick. Kinzo saved both Beatrice and him, and Nanjo patched him up; this is why Genji considers himself furniture and faithfully serves Kinzo.

Someone else can do the rest.

>>6658042

Gohda did it

Case Closed

>>6658015

You know, Darth Vader wouldn't be seen as out of ordinary character in umineko since we seen the fantasy sides of bullshit. This could fly if Yasu/Battler is born on the same day as those two kids of rudolf died. I doubt even Genji can pull this one off.

Battler forgave 'Beatrice' because he realized the truth over Yasu having gone insane to that point, but not actually killing anyone.

(S)he never actually did it, so it was forgivable.

Bullshit, but I think that's what we are supposed to believe.

Well, if what Bernkastel show us was the truth, isn't this violating the rules? Is this still a mistery?

I mean... who is the culprit in a madness like that, with everyone killing each other? And mind, I am fine with that truth, still I can't helped but feel cheated a bit.

>>6658108

Trollstel barely shows any truths - only trolling with cruel scenes. She's got a rep for that (Will remarked on that). Though one thing that is consistent throughout and undenied - whoever the GM is, it never really ends well for yasu.

After all, they all died (Eva isn't yasu, so her making back in one scenario meant nothing to yasu). Unless ryu07 pulled out happy end as a fan (dis)service in 8.

Again, it's not Bern truth, it's Featherine.

She may be a bitch, but when it comes to mystery she doesn't have any reason to lie.

Thought, Featherine doesn't care about teh hearts, and it's possible something is missing

Did anyone at any point say in red "this whole story IS a mystery and DOES follow Knox's laws"?

Because until someone does that I'll keep following my pet theory that the story DOESN'T follow them.

Everyone says in red stuff like "SECRET PASSAGES ARE FORBIDDEN BY KNOX", but if no one ever says in red "this story follows Knox" it's all utterly meaningless trolling.

>>6658078
>Battler forgave 'Beatrice' because he realized the truth over Yasu having gone insane to that point, but not actually killing anyone.

Well, there is also the fact that Beato tried to hide the truth about his parents all this time

And as another anon said, it's entirely possible Yasu was planning fake murders.

Battler didn't come back in the universe with Lion.
Wich means in that game, both battler and ange are left alive, Bernkastell actually managed to find the miracle for Ange.
Also, seeing as the only universe where he doesn't comes back is the one where shannon does not exist, could mean there were some either conscious or unconscious feelings for her.