/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>6648081
Kyrie is more Batshit insane...

EVA YOU FUCKING BITCH!

Hey guise, I'll just leave these guns next to this mountain of gold

What happened to BATMAN EVA huh?

>>6648089

At least she's not stupid..

>>6648095

Yasu is disinterested. Your argument is irrelevant.

>Eva is batshit insane.

>Eva shoots her family.

>Eva is stupid.

Can please someone tell me what's new?

>>6648106
people reading retarded spoilers.

That part completely blow me.

Why isn't /jp/ talking about this at all?
Where you all already spoiled?

>>6648119

Yeah, welcome to five months ago.

>>6648119

/jp/ is always spoiled, im only just reading trough it. Oh and btw, OH GOD WHY IS EVA SO. FUCKING. STUPID.

>>6648123
>>6648128

Well, i left /jp/ for 5 moths, so i cound't know

Also, i remember a lot of threads for ep VI

Finally, /jp/ people can stop with this batman eva bullshit and see her for what she really is.

http://peidollspear.com/xwerk/

>New xaki stuff
>Scroll to the end
>ACTIVE PAIN -new pf-
>There is no preview

Fuck you xaki.

Kyrie and Eva should have their own series. I dont even care about the plot.

"to me, it's a lot more fun now. because i get you all to myself."

fucking fattie he has so many flags. i don't care he dies all pitifully this episode he's related to this bullshit somehow.

>>6648139

Considering the Tea Party is what I care the most. I kind of agree with this.

To think that we will have another ration of spoiler in 2-3 weeks........

>>6648131
>Finally, /jp/ people can stop with this batman eva bullshit and see her for what she really is.

The culprit, like everyone else

How the song at the end of the episode is called? It was beautiful.

>>6648147

Yeah I can't wait for the clusterfuck. Espescially since there will be choices

>>6648139

Do fucking want.

Rudolf you lucky bastard, you got Kyrie all to yourself.

>>6648149
Think it was なまえのないうた_EDsize.

so can we consider Bern's truth the truth?

>>6648158

and its still not enough

>>6648168
No

>>6648173
I see...

God, Bern trolled the shit out of Ange.

I didn't like her, but..but..

>>6648193

Bern at her best

Stop talking shit about my Eva. She is a good woman, killing a Nappi or two is nothing bad. And neither is blowing a couple of houses.

>>6648193
Bern existence is a miracle of the universe

Rudolf ;_;

>>6648206
Too bad miracles don't exist, huh?

>>6648206

You can call it miracle, you can call it mistake.

>>6648208

SEN_KA still alive after EP7?

>>6648199
Fuck I want to see the PS3 version of the Tea Party so bad.

So, Yasu=Shannon?

What does /jp/ say?

>>6648221

That doujin was made after EP5. We don't know what she thinks of EP7 though i'm sure its probably not positive...

>"S, steal the Italians' gold, you say? You coward, Ushiromiya! And you call yourself a soldier of the Empire?!!"

...I thought Kinzo fell in love and all that...

So, i didn't check /jp/ for a while, does we now still hate umineko? are we satisfied by ep VII?

>>6648223

Yasu is one person. Whether it's male or female, we're not sure.
Yasu later "becomes" Shannon, Kanon, or Lion, depending on how it lives its life.

>>6648221
Maybe she's consoling herself that while it's impossible for an Ange end, a Beatrice end is incredibly bleak.

At this point, I've resigned myself to a shitty end to a story that started off strong, perhaps Ryukishi will actually do something good in this last episode and have Battler bone anyone but Kohaku With Large Tits.

>>6648229
>Yasu later "becomes" Shannon, Kanon

I don't understand how, i thought Shannon=Kanon, but Yasu =!Shannon

>>6648226
Who knows if those flashbacks at the end were the truth.

>>6648228
Yes we are.

>>6648234
The Shannon you see in the early parts of the Yasu flashbacks was Yasu's imaginary friend.

>>6648234

Different personality, same body.

Doesn't Shannon exist in the perfect kakera, with Lion?
How can Yasu be her?

>>6648242
Learn to read

>>6648242
Will explained it, Bern merged the two kakera so that both sides of the coin were present at the same time.

>>6648242
shannon doesn't exist in the perfect kakera. she exists in the patchwork kakera bern made.

>>6648242

They went over that. Shannon and Kanon don't know who Lion is. It's also explained that this is a patchwork of various kakera that Bern made.

>>6648244

I'm sorry i don't remember ever detail of a 20 hours episode

>>6648249

>20 hours

Holy fuck you read bitchass slow.

5-8 hours tops.

>>6648249

Are you trying to say you have ADD or are you agreeing that you are a terrible reader who can't even remember the basic details of the story (In this case, the setting)?

>>6648239
its also how they got around the whole " a servant cannot be the culprit" rule. honestly it was pretty obvious that shannon had a few personalities but I didn't want to believe her body or the entity that she was a part of was it because it just sounds pretty boring and honestly after reading half of ep 7 it didn't sound any better.

>>6648256
>Are you trying to say you have ADD or are you agreeing that you are a terrible reader who can't even remember the basic details of the story (In this case, the setting)?

God, /jp/, you are so retarded.

I forgot a detail of the plot, because i played the 50% patch a week ago and don't remember everything.

Does this sound really absurd?

Where did the "Batman" thing come from anyway? I'm always late to the party because I read at a slow pace, and you guys are always long done talking about the episodes by the time I finish.

Why does magic make a lot more sense than reality?
Seriously, I'd rather have just accepted the Beato waved her hands and that was it than deal with t he life story of a gender-confused incest-spawned lunatic.

>>6648266
Because Eva didn't tell Ange how Kyrie thought about her, instead taking the hate she somehow got a "Dark Knight" status, because people didn't know the whole story.

>>6648262

I played the 12% patch (the part that actually discussed this) well over a month and a half ago and the 50% patch when it was released a few weeks ago. This is basic plot details for the story you just read. The fact you don't remember the setting means you are terrible at reading stories. Deal with it.

>>6648266

You should leave the thread and save that part for yourself. It'll be much better that way.

Will is the new gar

>>6648273
I like Yasu a lot, personally. Haters gonna hate.

>>6648273
Because the writer is subpar.

Honestly, if I were Battler and I was hearing this pseudoscientific explanation, I'd just raise my hands in defeat and erase myself from existence, with my last words being "Yeah, fuck this, I'm out."

>>6648280

It's weird for me, i love Lion (manly tear at the end), i'm neutral to yasu and i find Shannon fucking boring.

I'm also still not convinced Shkannontrice is the culprit because of the red about servants and the scene at the start of the game with the maid.

Also, Will is mai husbado.

>>6648278
>I played the 12% patch (the part that actually discussed this) well over a month and a half ago and the 50% patch when it was released a few weeks ago. This is basic plot details for the story you just read. The fact you don't remember the setting means you are terrible at reading stories. Deal with it.


Yes, i have add, thank you /jp/ for making me realizing that

>>6648277

Is that fact changed?
Her nice behaviour in the gold room was repeated in the spoilers too. People just chosed to ignore it, it's not "bad spoilers" fault but stupid faggots'.

And Eva is awesome. Deal with it.

>>6648291
>I'm also still not convinced Shkannontrice is the culprit because of the red about servants
Loophole, Yasu is the heir and therefore not considered as a servant

>>6648239
Then why do we always get BOTH Kanon and Shannon running around the island?

I think I know the answer to my own question, but I'd like to hear it from somebody else

>>6648291

Same here but backguards. Fucking melt at Yasu, loving Shannon and don't giving a shit about Lion.

>>6648299

We don't. We never do. From the detective's perspective, we have never seen them together.

>>6648279
Takin' on the Witch of Miracles knowing he's going to lose like a boss. ;_;

Guys, but what if Yasu is actually a pair of twins?

>>6648291
There are enough ways to go around the servant line, like: "At the moment the house blew up, she wasn't a servant but the family head." etc.
Also there are multiple culprits almost every time.

Did the gameboard in the Tea Party have fantasy elements?

Because it seems pretty basic to me, and it would be weird for Bern to insert magic in her "truth".. but then again, the Adults didn't recognize Shannon and she was alto talking with George in the same moment.

>>6648301
Love Lion and Yasu. I love the version of Shannon that was Yasu's imaginary friend and who was in love with Battler, the furniture version engaged to George is just boring.

>>6648311
It didn't say if they recognized Shannon or not. Rudolf just said, "So you're Beatrice." That can be read either way. Shannon finished her talk with George long before the adults found the gold.

>>6648306

Penis or not? What's /jp/ truth?

Also, the scene "what you did to me, by body is now furniture.." wtf?

>>6648305
>mfw Bern is Lynx

>>6648322
Probably genital damage.

>>6648279
Will looks so much like a rapist there its not even funny.

>>6648322
Hey, Will doesn't care. I don't see why we should either.

>>6648327

Don't we want to fap?

>>6648330
You can fap either way.

This ep was so bad that isn't even funny anymore

>>6648313

Agree with you on Shannon. I can't believe I'm liking this much a character I used to forget it existed.

So...when Lambadelta tea party will be streaming EP 7?

In ep II, didn't Battler saw Shkannon body?

How was it solved?

>>6648347
This chapter made me really love Eva because of her genuine affection for her child and the way she stood up to Kyrie.

There still a lot of thing we don't understand about Beato motives.

Why the incident can only happen in 1986? The only explation i got it's because of the storm.

>>6648369
Because that's when everything happen at the same time, Battler returns and George's proposal.

>>6648369
I think George and his proposal is really important. His jealousy for Battler as well.

>>6648369

I dunno fully myself yet, but I think it happens like this: If Battler came 1 year later, the island would have been destroyed already. If he came 1 year earlier, Battler could have stopped her

Tea party wasn't as great as people hyped it to be.
Generally I thought this episode was pretty subpar.

The irony

>>6648386
Kyrie said it, anyone would have done it either way.
So, in EP8 will the cousins find it?
That could somehow lead to the scene of Kinzo scene here.

A shame, back in the first 4 eps I tought Kyrie was a bro, now she's just like everyone else

I don't understand how fucking Shkannon work.

I mean, Shannon seems a real person in Yasu flashback.. then Yasu disappear and Shannon Persona takes over.. and Natsuhi and the other don't find this weird?

>>6648403

derpderp, It was the imaginary maid he aaaalways wanted to be, his role model. In time, he became her.

>>6648414

I actually think that this is really weird. i mean, no one noticed the boy/girl changing the mood so suddenly? Like:
Yasu-Shannon: Good mornning, Jessica-sama! What an easy day to clean the house!
Jessica: Good morning, Yasu-chan, are you going to clean the house now?
Yasu-kanon: Why do you think it's a good morning?Why would I clean the house? I need to take care of the garden, excuse me, ojou-sama....
Jessica: But you just said you were going to clean the...
Yasu-Beatrice: ahaha.wav
Jessica:...you know what? I'm going back to bed....

>>6648458
For Kanon, she dressed like him.
Imaginary friend first but then she took the idea further and started play acting.

>>6648463

And no one noticed anything.

Oh god.

A servant with DID goes around changing personality at random and no ones ever say or notice anything.

What happened to Shannon, Kanon, Genji and Kumasawa?
Their deaths weren't mentioned during the mass murder

>>6648458
That's because this didn't happen, genius. It's not DID.

>>6648485
was implied when Kyrie left the guesthouse, after her little speech.

Remember episode 1? All of them except Gohda were tasked to stay at the guesthouse.

>>6648485

The tale wasn't finished, so eh..

Battler also wasn't killed

>>6648486
>It's not DID.

And what is then?

>OH GOD WHY CANT I PAY ATTENTION, THIS MUSIC IS SO FUCKING AWESOME

>>6648479
>A servant with DID goes around changing personality at random and no ones ever say or notice anything.
They played along, just like they did with Kinzo's death. That one's pretty easy.

>>6648494
>Battler also wasn't killed

Remember me?

>>6648504
>They played along, just like they did with Kinzo's death. That one's pretty easy.

Why would they do that!!
Especially Natsuhi

Excuse me for not reading through all of these posts, but can someone tell me how it's possible that Kyrie kills Lion in her world? Since there is no golden witch, how would they know about the bomb and the four guns? I know it explains that Kinzo tells them the riddle, but it doesn't explain how it leads to a shootout. It's not like Kinzo would tell them the island will blow up due to the switch and simply hand them four guns to kill themselves over. I don't believe Kyrie could've brought her own gun or anything.

InB4 "I wouldn't put it past grandfather"

>>6648503

Did Bern play CC?

>>6648507
Yeah, you got your ass kicked by a bunch of lolis and some falling logs. lol.

>>6648497
it's just pretending. Just like how Maria pretends she's Maria but also the witch MARIA, they're just aspects of the same personality, or imaginary friends, if you will. Beatrice is Yasu's prankster side (and later her love for Battler) that she doesn't want to publicly admit, Shannon's her public attitude as a perfect servant, Kanon's her public attitude as a shut-in servant.

>>6648504

"HEY YA, EVERYONE, LET'S PLAY A LITTLE? LET'S JUST PRETEND THAT YASU CAN REALLY BE SHANNON, KANON, BEATRICE AND 5 MORE CHARACTERS To SEE WHAT HAPPENS, SHOULD WE? I MEAN, I MEAN, WHAT COULD POSSIBLE HAPPEN?"

>>6648515
As is demonstrated by how Genji introduces Yasu to the household in the first place, if Genji told them Kinzo ordered it, they'd comply without even daring to check with Kinzo. And Genji would do anything to indulge Yasu.

>>6648519

I really wouldnt put it past Kinzo. HE'S A SOLDIER OF THE EMPIRE AFTER ALL

>>6648540
We also learn in this ep that Genji is pretty much in charge of all the things with the Fukuin servants, and Krauss and Natsuhi don't really have anything to do with it. Genji arranges their pay, Genji arranges their scheduling. Krauss and Natsuhi don't have reason to care, and Jessica refuses to think about and excuses away stuff she finds potentially disturbing. It makes sense to me.

>>6648531
>LET'S JUST PRETEND THAT YASU CAN REALLY BE SHANNON, KANON, BEATRICE AND 5 MORE CHARACTERS
Actually, the Shannon/Kanon thing's the only thing they play along with. They're unaware she's Beatrice (As Beatrice is really only the pranks, and they doubt the pranks are even real) and all the other characters Yasu "plays" are pure fantasy, never really met by others.

I hate every single character by now, but Willard, you are my only hope, please, DONT BE A FUCKING MURDERER.

inb4 it was Will all along, somehow

>>6648561

To much homolust, wtf R07?

>>6648563
>not enough homolust

>>6648561
I was a little miffed that Witch Hunt translated Lion crying "Please don't let go of me!" with "don't leave me here' or whatever, but oh well.

>>6648569
>>6648563
>>6648561
isnt blond hair there a girl?

>>6648587

Androgynous. Dunno what gender (s)he is.

>>6648587
We don't know.
She also don't want to say.

>>6648587

We don't know

There are some hint that Yasu doesn't have sexual organs (but Lion does)

>>6648563
The end of the tea party implies Lion's body "can't love", so at least it'd be chaste homolust.

Soooo, what the hell is EP 8? BATTLER's game for Ange or Bern's horrendous massacre?

>>6648613
Open end.
It is what you want.

>>6648613

Your guess is as good as ours. Only thing we know for sure is that it has choices.

>>6648613
Both?
There are choices right?

Inb4 Bern create a miracle for an happy ending

Sooo, a baby broke his penis after falling from a ledge, became a servant for the family he was born in, was batshit insane probably due to messed up genes, everyone fell in love with him and the only one he loved didnt even care about him. Killing spree. Cool Story.

>>6648657
>Bern create a miracle for an happy ending
>happy ending
>Bern

Shkannontrice doesn't work because they say you need 2 people to make a universe with. If you could do this with alternate personalities neither Shannon nor Yasu would have had the troubles they did.

Shannon and Yasu were able to create a universe together.

Then later, to deal with the pain of Battler not coming back, Shannon and Kanon created a universe together.

There is no Shkannontrice, only Kanontrice. It's the only thing that resolves everything without sounding retarded, though you still have to shift things around a bit.

Also we don't know how valid anything of what we've been shown in the Chiriu episodes is. All we know is the truth is in there somewhere.

>>6648669
Ryukishi has a thing for blue haired loli's, one of the most grating characters in the story being redeemed and forgiven is par for the course for this abortion of a story.

>>6648676

Abortion? Aren't abortions done before the story even began? The story started off really good, but went to shit before it matured. I believe what you meant is "this SIDS of a story".

>>6648304

Incorrect, Erika saw them together when everyone was gathered in the room. Unless by "detective" you only mean Battler while he was the detective.

>>6648686
Maybe it was aborted in the 12th trimester or something, I don't claim to understand people who procreate.

>>6648598
If that's the case, why does Lion have an issue with disclosing his/her gender? Is that just a stipulation Bern imposed on Lion to keep that bit of info in the dark?

Anyway... the brief confrontation between Will and Clair pretty much told me everything I already knew. But there's one thing that still bugs me: second game, Natsuhi's room. Will's statement is "Noone would dispute that a coffin is a closed room".

I pretty much solved all the other various mysteries, or adapted various other theories to fit my own. But that particular mystery was always one of the toughest sticking points in that episode.

If that closed room was indeed a coffin, who shut it? Rosa had all the keys that weren't locked inside the room. Was there another person inside the room? Battler took a pretty good look at Shannon's corpse. Was he fooled? Or did someone else wrap up that game?

The popular theory I've seen is that Jessica was dressed in Shannon's clothes and a wig, and shot in the head. That doesn't sit well with me for a number of reasons. But it's the only thing I've got to work with since Battler seems to have met Beatrice at the end of the game.

If Shannon is Beato and Kanon, doesn't meant there are 16 people?

So yeah, was the Tea Party the answer to Episode 3 or 4?

>>6648704
>If that's the case, why does Lion have an issue with disclosing his/her gender? Is that just a stipulation Bern imposed on Lion to keep that bit of info in the dark?

He doesn't, he's very girl and said people often confuse him


There are no reason to think Lion has no genitals, since s/he had no incident and didn't go through the same shit as Yasu.

>If that closed room was indeed a coffin, who shut it? Rosa had all the keys that weren't locked inside the room. Was there another person inside the room? Battler took a pretty good look at Shannon's corpse. Was he fooled? Or did someone else wrap up that game?

Yes, that bothers me too, a lot.

The only explation i got it's that Shannon isn't Beatrice, but only Kanon.

>>6648168
Of course it's the "truth".

However, nowhere is it said that it's the ONLY "truth".

Remember what the whole massive finale at the end of Episode 5 was about? 6?

What Bern presented is only one of countless truths that existed. The only people who can truly say they know what happened are those involved.

>>6648714
It wasn't presented as an answer to any particular episode. It was just what really happened on Rokkenjima.

>>6648707
Erika's existence was denied because she couldn't grasp that Shannon and Kanon were the same person, making the population of the island 16 people. But Battler and Beato said in red: 'Even if we welcome you, there are 17 people'.

So, either this means Shkannon is wrong, or else Erika DID make it to the island alive. Kinzo can't be alive. Erika can be. She died because she stopped thinking, same as Battler in Ep 5.

>>6648722

Battler said it wasn't

Bern is a troll.

Anyway, i really hope R07 will try to explain the whole Shkannontrice deal better in ep VIII, it really bothers me how no one notices how similar they are, or how Erika didn't suspect anything.

>>6648726
Wait wait wait, but what about the Beatrice in the golden room? Doesn't that put the number of people on the island up by one?

I don't know but I really disliked George in this episode, and now I want shanon to ride a horse with battler.

>>6648733

The room isn't on the island.

I'm still saying Kanontrice.

>>6648733
... Reading comprehension anyone? Let me break it down in a simple way:

ALIVE-

1. Krauss
2. Natsuhi
3. Jessica
4. Eva
5. Hideyoshi
6. George
7. Rudolph
8. Kyrie
9. Battler
10. Rosa
11. Maria
12. Gohda
13. Nanjo
14. Gohda
15. Kumasawa
16. Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice

This is assuming of course that Shkannontrice is factual. After everything we've seen in previous episodes, separating Shannon and Kanon into different people is pretty much impossible. And where Beato lands is irrelevant, since she's just a phantom regardless. That leaves us with

DEAD-

Kinzo
Beato #2

And finally

????

Erika

If there is a 17th person on the island, then you have to overturn other evidence to make Shannon and Kanon different people, make Beato an existence of her own, or have Erika wash ashore alive. I can't really justify the first two options, so it has to be the third.

If EP8 doesn't have a Battler x Shannon end, I will rage.

Now, I'm not one to beg, but I've been looking everywhere for the download to this and I cannot find it. Any help?

the torrent i mean

>>6648753
George was the one to hand the empty envelope to Shannon, and he later admits to having a complex about Battler... did he hide a letter for Shannon?

>>6648767
It's on Hongfire still.

>>6648768

That's the popular theory, yeah. He seemed a little too cheery and happy about reading his letter, considering how jealous he was of Battler. Plus it seems kind of odd that he'd immediately assume "Is that all the letters?" meant "Can I take the empty envelope?"

>>6648768
A lot of people think that. IIRC, in Japanese it was clear he was the one chirping about "in my letter Battler wrote that he's never coming back!!" too.

>>6648776
No matter what George does there is always a reason to hate him.

>>6648369
Simple.

Yasu, for some reason, divided her personality between herself and the imaginary "Shannon", the perfect servant.

Eventually, the Yasu personality changed, and became the "Beatrice" personality, at this point the roles between "Yasu" and "Shannon" switched places. Shannon was the real person while Beatrice was imaginary.

Shannon loved Battler, but he went all "I HATE YOU DAD" and left her.

In response to this, she pushed her love for Battler onto the Beatrice personality. At the same time she created a "Kanon" personality to cope. A young boy, to serve as a little brother to her.

At this point George began courting Shannon, and while Shannon began to love George, Beatrice still loved Battler.

The Kanon personality fell in love with Jessica, however, he rejected it, Because he knew that he was imaginary/really a girl/ etc. He just knew he couldn't love her.

Of course, Beatrice didn't realize that, and Shannon didn't either.

And so, on that night, George proposed to Shannon, while Beatrice still loved Battler.

If Battler had returned a year earlier, Shannon would have taken her love of him back and gone with him. If he had arrived a year later, she would have been entrenched with George for a year, so would have rejected him.

But he came at the same day.

Yasu couldn't decide who to love, who to go with. "Shannon" wanted George. "Beatrice" wanted Battler.

She basically snapped, and decided to play out her role as the witch. "Beatrice" set up a game. Someone would solve the epitaph (Probably hoping for George or Battler to solve it) and she would give everything to them.

If nobody solved it, she would rampage through the island in an orgy of murder, ending with her blowing up the island and killing herself.

It's natural you hate George.

He's one of us after all

I still don't understand why BeatoYasu killed everyone

>>6648784

Actually I liked George. I only started thinking he has something to do with the murders since Episode 6, when he kills his mother (who we later find out is innocent) and Episode 7 with his blatant jealousy.

>>6648768
I ask the same, I find it hard to believe that battler just forgot shannon

>>6648479
I bet Genji realized it and just played along, letting others be deceived.

>>6648792
It's obvious that Genji, Kumasawa, and Nanjo all knew and were playing along.

Well okay. I just have one question.
If Shannon is the main personality, then how the fuck does she hide her breasts when she's dressed up as Kanon? I know it's possible to do that, but considering how big hers are, there's no way she can do it easily and swiftly enough for the switches to make sense

>>6648791
I think it's decently likely that George pulled some shenanigans, but it doesn't really matter. It's really obvious Battler genuinely did just forget anyway.

>>6648802
Look at Lion's body. Yasu is naturally flat-chested.

>>6648797
Knowing Yasu's past, and the tendencies of the father, Kinzo, it'd be stranger if they didn't play along. For God's sake, they worked for a lunatic for decades. Pretending to be someone else a few days of the week due to some early life crisis is pretty normal in comparison.

>>6648802
Shannon is the main "personality". Yasu still may be flat-chested.

>>6648803

That could have been the pivotal point where he forgot, though. Maybe he wrote "If you're still interested, write me back" type of thing. And when he didn't get a letter back, he forgot about her.

>>6648802

Since Leon is flat, it's safe to assume she's doesn't have breast.

Hell, it's possible she's just a he without a penis.

>>6648768
Hah.

This actually makes sense.

I didn't think of that.

>>6648814

I think that too, he must be a man without a penis. Because R07 is troll like that.

>>6648811
Yeah, Battler wrote a letter to the girl he wanted to be his girlfriend, George sees it, and in a fit of jealousy keeps it from Shannon and tells her to forget about him.

I didn't catch this, good eye.

They still didn't explain why Jessica or Hideyoshi lied in ep 1

Or Shannon body in ep II

One thing bothers me. Shannon seemed pretty happy to receive the ring from George as per usual. So why the sudden change over to 'I don't give a shit if you kill me or not'? Did she realize George had deceived her about the letter perhaps? Maybe even ask Battler about it? Battler's sudden disappearance bothers me too, but I'm guessing either he bumped into Kyrie as she came out of the mansion (she never intended to give Battler a chance in the first place), or else he somehow divined what was going on and hid?

>>6648854
Did Shannon really died?

>>6648854
Easy enough, Hideyoshi thought it was Shannon's corpse when it wasn't.The face was smashed, after all.

34 said in red text that "the identities of unidentified corpses can not be mistaken"

She never said anything about the identities of IDENTIFIED corpses being mistaken.

>>6648867

Hole in the head, yo

>>6648854
Hideyoshi and Eva were probably swindled by Shkannon and agreed to help fake 'Shannon's' death. And were of course then killed in the next twilight.

And I was just asking about Shannon in Ep 2. The likeliest story is that she disguised another body as her own, but it just seems implausible. She had someone to lie for her in the first Episode, but in the second Battler actually checked the corpse himself. That is exactly what she was trying to avoid in the first Ep.

>>6648870
Shannon's face was only "half smashed". They go on about it for a while. Hideyoshi lied.

>>6648860
"Shannon" was happy.

"Beatrice", "Kannon" and maybe even "Yasu" were not.

>>6648860
>So why the sudden change over to 'I don't give a shit if you kill me or not'?

Do people still not understand multiple personalities? Think of it like this, you have 3 people. They don't all share the same emotions at the same time and they don't have the same experiences or thought processes either. Now imagine those people share a body. Personally, I believe Shannon and Kanon know about each other sharing the same body, but that Kanon is the only personality that knows about Beatrice.

>>6648870

Actually, I believe that's where the "nothing is wrong with calling something that isn't a corpse a corpse" line comes into play from episode 5 or 6.

>>6648878
You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that there were 6 corpses in the storage shed. See: Episode 5.

>>6648788
Because she's as crazy as her father and grandad combined.

More seriously, since it's triggered by Battler coming back specifically in 86, that means she'd resolved to go with George but Battler coming back made her realize she still loved Battler and didn't know who to choose so she decided to use (gran)daddy's crazy roulette.

any Umineko PS3 streams going on?

>>6648890
>Because she's as crazy as her father and grandad combined

iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg

>>6648854
Shannon died after killing George and Gohda, nothing odd about it. The bomb got the rest of them.

>>6648880
>>6648882
I get that. But I thought the whole point of the 'duel' was to determine a winner among the personalities, and Shannon won when George proposed to her. So why is Beato back in control, getting herself killed?

>>6648923
That was just in episode 6, I think.

Maybe.

I think by that point in time everything had already spiraled out of control.

>>6648920
How the fuck could that have happened. She had a goddamn hole in her head. 'Shannon', if that was really her, is the only one in the room who COULDN'T have killed the others. George could have, but why, and how? And Gohda makes less sense.

>>6648936
I could think of a reason. Shannon kills Gohda. George asks why she's doing all this. She replies "Because I love Battler". Then, murder/suicide.

>>6648923
Given when the envelope appears by the point George makes his proposal Yasu has already decided to go with the carnage, so Shannon's reaction to the ring is already just a front. It's already too late. Whatever pushed over over the edge has to arrive earlier.

>>6648942
George picked a hell of a way to go then. He chose to die slow, so he could use the time to hide the weapon he used to kill Shannon and himself? Or did he stake himself and Shannon in accordance with the epitaph because he just wanted to be an ass?

And really? He drove a goddamn stake through his proposed fiancee's skull. That's pretty extreme. Props to him if that's the case.

>>6648957

Maybe it wasn't suicide then. Maybe they hit each other at the same time.

>>6648960
With what? Mind bullets?

>>6648963

Would you be surprised?

Maybe Battler's theory about there being a device to shoot stakes is right afterall.

Was it ever denied?

>>6648968
A crossbow like the one from Call of Duty: Black Ops?
Oh dear....

>>6648785

Better theory.

Yasu, daughter of Kinzo and Beatrice is brought to Fukuin house as a servant, but is weak and clumsy. There she has an encounter with the servant Shannon, and they create a "universe" together.

In that universe, they are room mates and chat every night. In reality, they are fond of each other but don't know each other that well, and live in separate rooms.

It's difficult for Yasu and Shannon to be the same person because it is state you need two people to create a universe, and one can't do that with an alternate personality.

"Magic" becomes a part of the universe between Yasu and Shannon, and they acknowledge it's existence. Both of them have lead pretty similar drab lives.

Eventually; Genji and Kumasawa decide to take Yasu out of Fukuin house and into the mansion to keep a closer eye on her. At this point Yasu is no longer a servant, Shannon eventually forgets about her and blocks her from memory to deal with the pain.

Though her existence is supposed to be a secret, this is obviously impractical and her wandering around at night leads to the rumours of Beatrice the witch. The person Jessica encounters in the room is probably her.

More time passes and Yasu/Beatrice misses Shannon, but Shannon does not remember her. Beatrice follows Shannon around and learns of her love for Battler. Unlike Shannon Beatrice does not understand love so becomes fascinated with the two.

>>6648785


Eventually, things don't work for Shannon and Battler leaves the family. Beatrice feels bad for Shannon so claims she will "create" a younger brother for her to help take the pain away. A person to create a universe with - in other words it has to be a real person.

Beatrice, now older and more responsible, asks Genji and Kumasawa to be a servant again. She poses as Servant Kanon, so she can keep a close eye on "his sister" Shannon. At the same time, Beatrice's obsession with love and hearing of and seeing the Battler of Shannon's stories causes her to develop a lust for him as if she were Shannon himself.

Eventually, Jessica becomes interested in Kanon. Note that Kanon is always less interested than Shannon, because s/he already has the man she's waiting for. Eventually, Jessica learns of Kanon's real identity and helps act out Beatrice's pranks(the phone call in episode 4).

Note also in Episode 6, Kanon sacrifices himself just before Beatrice revives. Also, why would Kanon be suddenly so interested in Battler?

No need for alternate personalities, although the overactive imagination is needed to patch some holes.

This is a much better solution to what Episode 7 presents than Shkannontrice.

Given we know Beatrice is in the room during the start of the games, she might not even count towards the person limit and be someone entirely different. Only problem with that is that her existence then isn't alluded to early on.

Can experiencing a chiff fall change hair colour?
I don't understand why Shannon's hair is brown while Lion is blonde

>>6648978
>>6648983
This ignores a lot of things.

For one thing, this fails to explain the solution to Episode 6's closed room.

If you assume that Shanon and Kanon are different personalities of the same person, then it makes sense. Kanon rescued Battler, hid in the closet, and "vanished" the Kanon personality fading away, Shanon was then able to leave the room.

If Shannon and Kanon are different people, then the closed room becomes impossible.

>>6648983
>This is a much better solution to what Episode 7 presents than Shkannontrice.

No. It really isn't.

The Shannon/Beato thing is a rehash of Shmion... bleh....

>>6648968
Small bombs weren't denied either. Doesn't change the fact that the theory is absurd.

And even if there is one, the killer can't get into the room after George locks it from inside. And they can't get out either as long as the key is in George's pocket. If there was a device to shoot a stake, a gun, or some other mechanism to kill with, George must have hidden it. He's the only one with a wound that would allow him to still act fairly freely for a while until he bled out. If he didn't hide the weapon, there was another person in the room, simple as that. Rosa was probably covering for whoever it was when she yelled at Battler to leave the scene alone and leave the room.

OR. The three were killed someplace else. The reason the weapon was never found was because they didn't die in that room. That still doesn't answer how the bodies got into the room, unless whoever placed them there was still locked inside.

>>6648997

Prove it then Shkannontricefag.

>>6648989
It could be that one of them dyes their hair.

Or maybe the accident make it so that Yasu can't have hair growing on her head so a wig is worn. But blond is the natural hair color.

>>6648996

That's such a dumb solution anyway, but I fail to see how it's any different if it's Kanon/Beatrice instead of Shannon/Kanon.

>>6649008
Yasu being brought to serve at Rokkenjima at the age of six is explained. Why, exactly, would Genji also drag a six-year-old Shannon along too? And Natsuhi and Krauss never comment on it? And Yasu always treated exclusively as a special case, the most experienced servant, even though Shannon has been there the whole time too?

>>6649014
Except, as stated in red:

"At the time the next room over was sealed, Hideyoshi, George, Kumasawa, Shannon, and Nanjo were in it. And, the number of people in the next room over was five. No one existed there except for those to whom those five names referred! All people can only use their own names!!"

And only the people in THAT room can exit to go save Battler.

So if Kanon is another personality of Shannon, Shannon can become Kanon, leave the room, get Battler out, and fade away to become Shannon or Beatrice again.

>>6649020

Shkannon opens up just the same amount of questions later on. I hardly see how it solves anything. Remember they altered Yasu's age by 3 years because of her appearance. Shannon would have been older and therefore less notable. Shannon being around 3 years older might still make her a young servant, but nowhere near as much so.

Also it could be that Yasu being a servant to begin with was a lie. She just pretended she was one after seeing Shannon. All we see of her is just the backstory Beatrice invented for Shannon so she didn't look like a creepy stalkers. It's weird how Shannon would just "forget" about the existence of an imaginary friend. How does an imaginary friend exist if you don't imagine them?

>>6649025

Just because you can't solve it, doesn't mean there isn't a better solution you know.

>>6649032
It's entirely possible for a split personality to be unaware of other peronalities.

Before Yasu became "Beatrice" Shannon was an imaginary friend mostly. Afterwords she became a whole different personality, unaware of Beatrice/Yasu

>>6649039
OK, you provide a different explanation.

>>6649041

Honestly, this is just far too ridiculous. It's practically entering fantasy territory already.

>>6649032
Shannon is Yasu's imaginary friend, not the other way around. Yasu can make Shannon remember or forget whatever she wants.

I don't understand what you're saying about Shannon's age or being three years older? Shannon was stated to have started work at Rokkenjima at the age of six, and worked for ten years, so she is now sixteen (plus three = nineteen). Same age that matches up to Yasu's history.

>>6649044

Actually, that's how real DID works. Most of the time the other personalities aren't aware they share a body. Otherwise, the personality(s) that isn't the main one knows about the other personality(s)

>>6649047

Was that stated in red?

Genji and Kumasawa invented that to further hide Yasu's existence. Shannon could just be lying about her age, for whatever reason. There could be a number of solutions.

>>6649044
Dissociative Identity Disorder is real. Yes it's crazy, but there's a ton of stuff that sounds absolutely insane that's true.

>>6649054

But Shkannontrice doesn't work anything like real DID. It's a fantasy disease. I would argue it breaks one of Knox's rules too, being a hard to understand device.

>>6649057
That's because it's not DID. It's like Maria and Sakutaro taken a degree further.

>>6649049

But they obviously did at some point.

Also Yasu/Beato seemed to be able to "modify" their world. They willed the Shannon personality to forget and that was that. How the hell is that supposed to work? How is that any different from her willing the memory of a real Shannon to go away? They're both impossible for the average human.

Sorry to break up the usual DID discussion and whatnot, but does anyone have a link to translated screen shots for EP 8? Cause now that I've finished EP7 I kinda want to read them.

>>6649062
Because, again, Shannon is an imaginary friend to Yasu, furniture. If Yasu decides the "character" of Shannon no longer remembers Yasu or Beatrice, that's how it is.

It's like if Maria suddenly decided Sakutaro wouldn't remember her anymore.

>>6649069

But other people don't see Sakutaro walking around like they do with Shannon.

>>6649070
They do see Maria "speaking" for him. Yasu acting as Shannon is, again, just taking it a step further.

I came up with a crazy stupid solution to Episode 6 back when it was first translated. Everyone said it was crazy and stupid (who knew?). But it's the ONLY way to solve Episode 6 without Shkannon. It's just a derivative of the 'cups and coins' puzzle that was mentioned earlier in the episode but not solved.

As long as you assume that the room Battler was locked in was INSIDE the 'next room over', ANYONE can come and go as long as they aren't in the cousin's room. Kanon doesn't have to break the seal on the door, he just walks to the Guest room, lets Battler out, and walks in. Then he becomes 'Beatrice', so Kanon isn't in the closet. So this still relies on Kanontrice to get Battler out of that room.

This of course defies all laws of time and space, since Battler's room was supposed to be in the mansion. But if you want to take that ball and run with it, more power to you.

>>6649057
>doesn't work anything like real DID.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder

Really? Yasu fits quite a few of the symptoms. Namely;

>Multiple mannerisms, attitudes and beliefs which are not similar to each other
Self explanitory

>Distortion or loss of subjective time
"Beatrice" lived for a thousand years through six.

(OK this one is stretching but you never know...)

>Depersonalization
When Yasu did "magic" to take and hide one of Arune's keys, she felt as if she was only an observer in her body.

>Depression
Kanon is not a happy fellow

>Auditory of the personalities inside their mind
Self explanitory.

inb4 "lol wikipedia" the info is sourced.

>>6649074
Knox's 3rd

It is forbidden for hidden passages to exist.

Sorry.

>>6649063

Anyone?

>>6649074
That's so silly I think I'd rather believe that Kanon knows magic and vanished using it.

>>6649084
There is no hidden passage. Battler's room is just a room inside a larger room. Everyone came and went from a single obvious door. Of all the angles to attack this shitty theory from, you've chosen the absolute worst. Try again.

>>6649091
Also, remember, the closet is considered part of the guest room.

>>6649089
Agreed. This sorry theory was my final stand before surrendering to Shkannontrice. Not that that was much better, but at least it fit more of the facts. I'm still not fully satisfied with the theories I'm seeing... but honestly, solving the mysteries in each episode is more like a side dish to the real mystery the series revolves around. So even if some tricks, like Natsuhi's room in Episode 2, still trip me up, it's not really that big of a deal.

>>6649091
Knox's 8th

It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented.

I'll use this silly argument, then.
It's all I have against your theory.
Kill it and I give up.

>>6649101
... and? Battler's 'Guest Room' was a smaller room contained in the 'next room over'. That includes the bedroom, bathroom and closet. Kanon never physically left the 'Guest Room' in any case, he just changed personalities. Inside the closet. But he also never left the 'next room over', since the 'Guest Room' was contained inside it.

It's the same solution as the 'cups and coins' puzzle- to get 1, 2 and 3 coins in each cup, while only using 5 coins, you place the cup with one coin in it into a cup containing 2.

So no one has links to translated screens?

>>6649141
Your arguments deserve to have Dread of the Grave playing as you state them.

hi5

>>6649112
Also, if that was true, Erika shouldn't have been defeated.

>>6649137
Kinzo built an entire house inside his own house. A separate bedroom inside another room is no big deal.

I wouldn't put it past him.

>>6649069
>>6649072
Funny, I'd suggested something very similar to this before Episode 6 came out. I called it "Magical DID", as a tongue-in-cheek sort of thing.

The cups and coins puzzle is a gold mine of alternative solutions. For instance, if you interpret it as hinting at nested fictional worlds, then you can crack Battler's guest room by saying Kanon only existed in the closet on the deepest level.

Reading dat Tea Party.

I think I'm in love.

>>6649151
>I wouldn't put it past him.

When I think about it, we can come up with a lot of crazy solutions.

>>6649149
Erika was defeated because 'the person inside the closet wasn't Kanon', not because 'there was noone inside the closet'. As long as he changed personalities to someone else, Erika loses.

>>6649157
Everything in Umineko has been Rika having one hell of a dream after drinking too much Bernkastel wine.

>>6649141
And to do it with only three coins, you just put one coin in each cup and stack the cups.

>>6649176
Nah, Lambda's still locked in a logic error somewhere, going batshit crazy and talking to furniture.

>>6649157
> For instance, if you interpret it as hinting at nested fictional worlds, then you can crack Battler's guest room by saying Kanon only existed in the closet on the deepest level.
UMINEKO IS INCEPTION

>>6649188
How do you think Bern got all those different rooms squashed into the chapel?

>>6649183
I want to learn more about 34s past, maybe the nest vn r07 makes will be about it.

>>6649196
next*

>>6649156
Oh woops, nevermind, it was right after EP6 came out. And I wasn't the one to call it "Magical DID".

http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/4075298#p4076526

So guys, anyone figure this out. How did Sakutarou get to this guy's house?

>>6649213
Either A) Rosa made a new one to apologize to Maria but accidentally left it at the boat.

Or B) Sakutarou was never handmade to begin with, he was a toy bought by Rosa for Maria who just claimed it was hand made.

>>6649213
Rosa brought them onto the boat in 1986 and forgot to take them off when they got to Rokkenjima.

>>6649213
Eva gave it to him so Ange never sees it or Amakusa-Battler gave it to him for whatever reason.

>>6649213
Once the Sakutaro is mass produced...

>>6649229
But I think there was quite a few of them (r was this just the anime?),

>>6649180
Granted, but the question posed was how to do it with 5.

Anyway, it doesn't change the fact that while you CAN make this theory approach something like plausibility if you ignore a few things, it's still almost certainly wrong. But it's a good example of the same kind of shit Erika pulled in Episode 5- by focusing on the supporting facts and information, and ignoring or denying things that contradict it, you can warp the truth to look like anything.

I could, if I were so inclined, write a theory fingering Jessica as the culprit who planned the crimes and manipulated everyone into creating this tragedy. There are any number of supporting facts, particularly in the first 4 Episodes. It's not impossible, even now, to weave a tapestry that places Jessica in the seat of mastermind, and selectively marginalize arguments against it. Erika did the same for Natsuhi. Any number of theorists have been doing it for Shannontrice/Shkannontrice/Kanontrice theories.

Bern just did the same thing for Rudolph and Kyrie. Maybe it's even true, but the interrupted red makes it hard to be certain.

But the lid still remains on the cat box. Even after Episode 8, it will probably remain. Battler never said the story he was telling Ange was the absolute truth. Like magic, it's probably just a gentle lie. Ange will reconcile with Eva, Eva will apologize to Ange, and the game will draw to a conclusion.

>>6649208
> http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/4075298#p4076925
> At least with (increasingly getting unlikelier) Kyrie-trice you can see her murdering people cuz she doesn't give a fuck about anyone except Rudolf.
Heh.

>>6649245
>Any number of theorists have been doing it for Shannontrice/Shkannontrice/Kanontrice theories.

Really? What's been ignored to make the whole "Yasu/Shannon/Kanon/Beato" theory work?

Genuinely curious.

Man, the epitaph was twisted.
I love that you can figure out the location of the gold without solving it, though. "Ushiro Miya". Heh.

>>6649268
I somehow missed the critical point that Kinzo's "hometown" was in Taiwan, so I wasn't able to solve it. :(

>I love that you can figure out the location of the gold without solving it, though. "Ushiro Miya". Heh.

How so?

>>6649241
didn't maria said her bed was full of "lions"? ehehhe

Who cares?

>>6649268
Goddammit, Ryukishi.

........I'm sorry. WHAT exactly did Eva do? I only know that she's turned into a batman-like person recently. What did she do now?

>>6649333
She let Ange hate her rather then tell the truth that her mom was a sociopathic yandere who only used her to keep Roudolf close to her.

>>6649333
People admire what she did in keeping the truth from Ange until the end. (Less so the abuse she heaped on Ange out of hatred.) She's still a bitch, though.

>>6649281
Ushiro = behind, Miya = shrine or temple

>>6649348
.......ooooohhhhh.

Ryukishi07 you magnificent bastard.

>>6649262
Well, the facts as they have come to light have fit pretty well, but in the past Shkannontrice required some large leaps in logic.

But mostly, it's the fact that while I was still struggling against Shkannontrice post Episode 6, most other people just said 'It's so obvious, why are you still denying it?' To which I would answer 'So apply Shkannontrice to the previous games and show me how these crimes work'. And suddenly everyone clams up.

There are still a few cases that Shkannontrice doesn't explain adequately to me.

Episode 1 is fine. I have no issues in there.

Episode 2 is a problem. Battler -lifted Shannon's head- to identify her and saw the hole in her head. This is a problem, since preventing him from identifying the body of 'Shannon' was the whole point of putting her in a secluded spot in Episode 1.

Episode 3 is a problem, but at the same time it's not. Yasu has to have faked Shannon's death in one room, gotten up and run to the chapel (without getting obviously wet) and faked Kanon's death there. And then gone back to the parlor at some point later to kill George and play dead when Battler and co. come in looking for George. All possible but it doesn't sit well. Nanjo has to be supporting Yasu's murder plan even after all the other accomplices were killed. But for 200 million yen, I guess it's possible. But I can't help but feel like the adults were the killers in this game, and Battler's solution was right. Yasu has to have killed 4 nervous (and trigger happy) adults with guns. I'm not buying it.

Episode 4 is fine. Yasu killed everyone, then dressed as Shannon and killed herself in front of the well. A simple stone tied to the gun by a long rope dragged the gun into the well after she died, removing the evidence.

>>6649370
>Nanjo has to be supporting Yasu's murder plan even after all the other accomplices were killed.

The necessity of Genji, Nanjo, and Kumasawa all being accomplices is one part of why there's the theory that Yasu's actual plan was on bribing people to successively fake the twilight deaths in order to create a heart-centered murder mystery for Battler, but it went horribly wrong.

>>6649370
Actually there's a better way to explain Episode 3's problem.

Namely that -Yasu was killed on the first twilight-. From this point some other culprit took over in the chaos.

When Beatrice is "in control" of the game, notice that Maria is never chosen to die in any of the ritual deaths. In Episode 3 the "witch" switches from Beatrice to EVA-Beatrice. Plus the fact that the killings only sloppily follow the Epitaph, are a pretty good sign that it's not Yasu doing the rest of the killings past the first twilight in episode 3.

I'll have to think a bit about Episode 2

>>6649284
But doesn't she say there is only one Sakutarou too (I believe it was stated in Red too. Or was it that Sakutarou was special and was made by Rosa but it was cut off in the middle when they were saying 'only')? Wasn't finding Sakutarou the thing that enlightened Ange on how to revive him?

>>6649370
Actually, does Battler get all that Erika-shit about if he sees a person as dead they are dead in the games that he was the detective? Knox rules say that he should but.... That screws a lot of theories, doesn't it?

>>6649381
I can kind of see that. Battler and even Lambda both used faked deaths turning into real ones as a mechanism of the first twilight in their games. We can even see that in Episode 4- Gohda and Kumasawa were probably preparing to fake their deaths when the killer somehow got to them.

Of course, in the cases of Eps 5 and 6, the object was to fool someone other than Battler (Natsuhi and Erika in 5, and Erika in 6).

If you assume that the victims of Episode 4's first twilight were in fact people playing along in a plan to create a mystery for Battler, suspicion shifts rather markedly... ehehe. Was the killer a part of the plan who turned on the others? Or someone outside the plan who panicked and turned it into a disaster?

Or perhaps I should ask- if George was killed in the arbor, and Gohda and Kumasawa in the shed, were they killed in roughly the same time frame? And if so, who might have had an opportunity? Ahahaha.wav

>>6649416
Battler's perspective in Episode 2 may be in doubt, actually. He wasn't trying to solve the mystery, and by the end he himself saw Kinzo and acknowledged magic.

>>6649397
You can take that as one of the hints that fictional worlds can have their own red truths applied to them. Maria and Beato's Golden Land is a separate gameboard where magic exists and Sakutarou is a magical lion made by Rosa, and its truth incorporates Maria's beliefs.

>>6649428
Wasn't that only at the end though? And he was also drunk at the time too.

>>6649451
When did he get drunk? Before or after meeting Kinzo? (I don't remember clearly)

If it was before then he stopped being "reliable" quite a while before hand, if after then yeah, it could be excused as a drunken delusion.

>>6649459
Before. After everyone was murdered he hold himself up in the room with all the wine and beer and got himself where Genji came in asking if he wants to meet Kinzo. Suddenly, he's being eaten in Fairy Land.

>>6649451
He started to accept magic when Nanjo and Kumasawa's bodies disappeared. That might have something to do with it.

>>6649428
If you go by the fake mystery theory, you could say that he only counted as the detective within the murder game. After the game ended he met up with whoever was in charge, and they told him what horrible fate happened to his character as an epilogue.

>>6649459
Before. After everyone was murdered he holed himself up in the room with all the wine and beer and got himself drunk where Genji came in asking if he wants to meet Kinzo. He says sure and goes with him. Suddenly, he's being eaten in Fairy Land.

>>6649451
>>6649459

He was drunk beforehand. Also, Genji mentioned that Battler shared Kinzo's taste in alcohol, which might be implying he'd been chugging a bottle of absinthe beforehand. Absinthe contains small amounts of a psychoactive drug. It's not particularly potent, but in the quantities Battler had been drinking it...

>>6649487
>where Genji came in asking if he wants to meet Kinzo
>Remember Episode 4 theories on what if Kinzo's name can be passed around
This has some strange implications....

>>6649497
Except that it's been stated in red that only one person can have Kinzo's name and that's Kinzo.

>>6649497
There's also Rosa meeting 'Kinzo' with Genji in the beginning of the Episode with the other Servants after the parents were murdered in the Chapel (and while Kanon and Jessica were being murdered).

Dear LORD I am glad I lost interest in Umineko during the lull. This is just one just one giant clusterfuck of totally unappealing storytelling to me.

>>6649517
It's pretty appealing and comes together rather well, if you ask me.

It comes together much better if you read it rather then just read out of context spoilers

>>6649504
IIRC it was stated no one would mistake someone else for Kinzo. And it was also in Red that everyone in the conference recognized someone as 'Kinzo' but it then goes on to say that Kinzo is dead before all games. All in Red. So take that as you will.

>>6649425
You also have, in Episode 2, a scene where you pretty much see Beatrice/Yasu openly approaching all of the parents, and it reads really strongly now of "bribing you to go along with my plan."

As far as Episode 4 goes, I think the Tea Party here makes it pretty obvious what the general idea of the truth was there.

>>6649533
Yeah, someone came in, tossed Kinzo's body on the table, and then shot up the place.

>>6649533
No one would mistake someone for Kinzo, the grandfather, but someone who adopted the title of "Kinzo" would not fit that. Word games play havoc with red.

>>6649533
The culprit brings out Kinzo's corpse, everyone acknowledges it at Kinzo, and then the slaughter begins.

>>6649527
Yeah. If someone told me before it came out that the episode proving Shkanontrice was going to be my favorite in the series, I would have laughed in your face.

>>6649428
Battler already gave up before that scene, everything before that is reliable

Game ends under these conditions:
1. Reached 24:00 of second day
or
2. Battler, the player gives up (Having no player controlling his piece, he is no longer the detective, and it also means everyone has accepted Beatrice, allowing her to create any illusion she wants)

>>6649533
"Everyone acknowledged the existence of Kinzo" can also be read as "everyone agreed to keep up the same story."

>>6649527
No matter how well, you cannot convince me that these characters can really be this STUPID. Their thought processes are way fucked (basing your storytelling around extreme personalities is lazy and just means you don't want to find REAL motivation), and no one noticed this servant switching roles. Not to mention the fact that no one can tell this person's gender. That part just seems pointless.

This is a HUGE cop-out after what I expected after episode 4.

>>6649563
>Their thought processes are way fucked (basing your storytelling around extreme personalities is lazy and just means you don't want to find REAL motivation)
How do you mean? Everyone's motivations and personalities make sense to me.

>and no one noticed this servant switching roles.
All the head servants were in on it.

>Not to mention the fact that no one can tell this person's gender. That part just seems pointless.
It actually seems to be a really important part of Yasu's despair and mentality.

We're autosaging. Anyone up for another thread to continue discussion?

>>6649563
>and no one noticed this servant switching roles.
Good chance that Genji, Kumasawa and Najo noticed it.

>Not to mention the fact that no one can tell this person's gender

Look at Lion, a clear case of ambiguous gender.

ALSO, when Jessica takes Kanon to her school festival, her friends say that Kanon looks like a girl!

>>6649553
Technically, Rosa refused to believe even after Battler accepted (Which is why she was tortured by Beatrice in front of meta-Battler [who was talking to Bern and 34] in the Tea Party) but she was in a battle with multiple goatmen. So it can't exactly be taken seriously.

>>6649571
>>6649578
No one has a good reason to kill. Everyone's problems could be solved if they worked together. Yasu's motives make the least sense of all.

Of course it seems like the other servants could be in on it, but I refuse to believe they could successfully hide the fact from Natsuhi and Krauss, who have no reason to go along with it.

The ambiguous gender thing is a cheap shot at the reader and you're not going to convince me otherwise.

>>6649577
Why not?

New thread

>>6649596

I have to say ep7 is really good so far, just got past kinzos past story and i like it a lot.