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>implying he wears a skirt

So moe, I died

>>6550537

Implying Yasu is a he.

>>6550569

I NNNHGGG-ed on that scene. Fucking moe Yasu.

Moar Yasu art is needed.

Yasu thread? On MY /jp/? Fuck yes.

>>6550660
Yasu for life, bro

How could faggots hate Yasu?

Ah, right. Reading with Atlas.

I was so disappointed that the solution was multiple personalities, it could not have been more of a letdown

>>6550804
Pretty much.

>>6550804
Yep. Pretty much.

gave dat bitch some flan. bitches love flan.

>>6550818

You may like it or not as solution, but the way it's told is interesting.

>>6550830

godzilla's cuteness is a miracle of the universe.

Kinda cheating since it's "Lion cosplay", but it's not like Yasu isn't Lion in a maid outfit anyway.

>>6550835
Everyone loves Flan

>>6550838
Isn't it? God bless Godzilla.
I had a Godzilla-themed generic tamagotchi back in the day. I was too old for it, really, but goddamn, it's Godzilla.

>>6550818
Sorry bro, no DID here. Just cuteness and imagination.

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>>6550838

Unless Gozilla has multiples personalities as witch and as maid he is not welcome here.

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>>6550818
>multiple personalities
>doesn't actually understand Yasu or the power of her moe

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>>6550873

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>>6550865

This.

>>6550853
funny you should say that.

>>6550914

No boobs and/or frilly dress? Not a witch.

>>6550943

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>>6550946

source?

>>6550939
better?

>>6550955

>>6550962

>Bawwww he forgot me.When someone dies i will make a magic room so he will love me again bawwwwww

Die in a fire

>>6550969

>>6550961

That only makes a meido, what about the couple of witches?

>>6550959
here: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=12970955

>>6550978

>Bawwwww I was once a loli but now I'm nothing but the shit of that loli with a cat tail stuck in my ass. I tease and kill people because it makes me feel cool and edgy.

Sure Bern is way better than Yasu.

i'm only trying to fit in with you guys...

>>6550978
You seem to be confused. Yasu's personas don't have anything to do with Battler.

I love Yasu whether it is a boy, girl, or hermaphrodite.

>>6550986
how's that?

is godzilla accepted in this thread now?

I thought I'd hate Yasu with all the spoilers i've been reading but damn right now Yasu is cute and adorable as hell.

>>6551058
Yasu is the opposite of how spoilers like to present her. Even in the scene with Battler, Yasu blames the entire thing on herself and her own stupidity in waiting for so long. Characterizing her as a shallow whore can only be done if you don't know how to read Japanese.

>>6551067

Yeah. This should really teach me a lesson on never taking spoilers too seriously, ever.

>>6551058
Of course.

SPOILERS: Yasu is a crazy bitch.
REALITY: Yasu is a little girl that likes to play pretend.

SPOILERS: Yasu tried to fuck all the cousins.
REALITY: Yasu allowed herself a relationship with George after giving up on Battler, tried to discourage Jessica's interest in her, and outright attempted to kill the part of herself that still wanted to wait for Battler.

>>6551073
She was playing to pretend to keep from being lonely and to try and stay positive about her situation, too.

People have been saying that spoilers make EP7 sound stupid when it's actually good when you read it for a while, but it's true.

I don't understand the big deal.

Yasu is a gameboard entity created so Battler could solve the damn thing.

I fail to see it's relevance to the ''true'' Beatrice in the Meta-World or any relevance outside of the board.

>>6551085

Exactly.

No matter how spoilers are told, you can't really know how EP7 is until you read it properly.

I didn't ejoy reading Umineko as much as EP7 since I read EP4.

>>6551094
That's backwards, really. Beatrice is a gameboard entity created for Yasu's sake.

Also, kinda hard for Yasu to be created for Battler to solve the game when she finally shows up when it's already too late for Battler to save her.

>>6551107
EP7 is one of the best episodes, I think. I might feel different later but Yasu's parts haven't dragged on at all unlike Ange's.

安田 - Yasuda
安 = yasu or an
fukuin name + on = Anon

Yasu is the one true anon.

>>6551109
What?

No.

Beatrice started this Hell Chess match and she made it so he could solve it, Beatrice as a Witch in competition with 34 and Bernkastel has nothing to do with ''Yasu''.

His family was killed by Beatrice, Battler is dead, the Meta-World is Hell, Battler has to come up with alternate theories to the catbox to save his soul, really.

The Gameboard does reveal a lot of things about Beatrice but, ''Yasu'' as a Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice sort of deal has no bearing in the Meta-world.

Battler more or less ''won'' and Beatrice died but, he brought her back.

Now, whether or not ''Yasu'' is Beatrice before her Apotheosis is another matter.

>>6551151

So samefaging is what true anons do.

>>6551176
I don't know what you're talking about, but it sure as hell isn't Umineko.

I'll bite.

Delusional Shipperfags, all of you.

Seriously, Yasu is one of the most selfish characters I've had the misfortune to come across in any visual novel. Not one, not two, but three people who love him/her, and his/her solution is to play a deadly roulette where a bunch of people will most likely die?

Yeah, how about no.

>>6551073
You left out the part where s/he plots to kill everyone.

Also, all s/he had to do to discourage Jessica's interest in her was say "Yeah, I'm Yasu." But s/he doesn't, because s/he's a manipulative bitch.

Spoiler: Yasu is a victim
Reality: Yasu is a victim, but also a self-centered hypocrite with a significant lack of empathy.

>>6551435
>>6551449
Cool story bro. Now less trolling and more Yasu plz.

Yasu is a hermaphrodite.

>>6551463
>cool story bro
Go back to /v/ with that nonsense. I'm not trolling you, I'm expressing my opinion. Deal with it. But hey, you shipperfags are gonna do what you normally do. Post pictures all you want, samefag it up like Yasu does even.

Doesn't change the fact that you only like the character for ridiculously shallow reasons.

Now, if at the end of the day Yasu is innocent, I think you and I will be able to reach an understanding. I highly doubt that, though.

>>6551473
Yup. Babby breaks his penis, gets frustrated, wishes to be the little girl, kills everyone. VN of the year all years.

>>6551067
Or if you're a retarded shipperfag who was too obsessed with going ZOMG BEATO IS MAI TSUNDERE TROLL WAIFU BEABATO 4EVER XD to pay attention to the actual plot.

Listen, no one actually thinks Yasu is as simple as being a whore who wanted to sleep around, we're cool with that.

We're not cool with the whole mass murder plotting thing.

S/he even wrote out several scenarios in which she'd personally kill everyone.

Seriously what the fuck? What, Jessica and George are making your hormones react oddly, so the best solution is to (potentially) murder them?

Must be the recessive incest genes kicking in.

>>6551486
If Jessica(or Usay, Yasu's eleventy billionth persona) ends up being Kohaku I'm fucking done with Umineko.

>>6551495
>S/he even wrote out several scenarios in which she'd personally kill everyone.

It's explained exactly why she did that. I'm assuming you missed it due to ATLAS and/or going off spoilers.

YASUFAGS, ANTIYASUFAGS, BOTH OF YOU CALM THE FUCK DOWN.

Episode the 8th comes out in less than a month, and I'm sure Ryukishi would provide a decent, legitimate, satisfying explanation for all this.

I hope;_;

>>6551522
And if nothing else, there's always the fighting game.

>>6551507
I don't care however s/he justified it, point of fact is that s/he was more than willing to kill people just to resolve things for him/herself. His/her justification for murder is non-existent.

Now granted, if the entire family ends up being a bunch of cannibalistic baby eaters, I'll say Yasu's plots were justified. But, seeing the lack of babies roasted to a golden brown, I'm going to have to call bullshit on anyone who actually supports the little hermaphrodite.

>>6551507
Spectator fag here, why exactly did she do it?

>>6551533
well, they are all potential killers that can kill their whole family for a few millions.
Also child abusers and bad people in general.

>>6551506

Couldn't this all just be blamed on the fact that A) She's an incest baby and may potentially be fucked up in the head and B) She survived a fall from a REALLY high spot on Rokkenjima, also possibly damaging her mentally and C) Gender Identity Crisis? That plus having barely any friends, being confined to the island, and being denied her right to succeed the headship?

>>6551541
Yeah Maria the 9 years old little girl sure is like that.
Yasu ddin't decide to kill because she wanted to protect the world from cannibalistic monsters.
The MOTIVE is the most important thing, why she decided to do this, who she decided to kill is pretty much irrelevant.
And her motive is fucking stupid and selfish.

>>6551544
> being denied her right to succeed the headship
That part wasn't the problem; because she was the first to solve the epitaph, she could have claimed the headship at any time after that.

...Of course then the family would have gone crazy, but that's a different matter.

>>6551541
Jessica, George, Maria, Gohda, Krauss, and Battler, these people are to an almost complete degree, totally innocent. Sure there are very specific circumstances in which they'd kill, but you could find those circumstances with anyone.

To put their lives in danger is to make a selfish, immoral, choice.

Hideyoshi, Eva, Rosa, they are also rather innocent but tend to respond to stressful situations violently.

It's immoral to push them as well.

Rudolf, Kyrie, and Natsuhi, well, yeah, they're a bunch of dicks. Still doesn't mean murdering them is ok unless you are trying to save someone.

And even if they all were evil, Yasu doesn't kill them to do the world a favor, Yasu does it because s/he is indecisive. The greatest crime is the greatest treason, doing the right thing for the wrong reason, but "fortunately", our little Yasu is doing the WRONG thing for the WRONG reason.

>>6551544
>right to the headship
Uh, as an aside, I REALLY thing this whole Yasu being the head the whole time thing is going to bite us in the ass, picture related.

Yes, Yasu was the blood heir, but Jessica was raised to be the heir. Were she to find out that Yasu is the actual heir, things could be bad.

>>6551579
But Jessica never wanted to be the heir in the first place...

>>6551536
She wrote the message bottles in order to save people from the truth and act as martyr.

Yasu is the culprit of the mystery of Umineko. Umineko's mystery is contained in the message bottle stories Yasu wrote and threw into the sea to cover up the truth and save people. And if you haven't picked up on the approximately ten thousand clues that the twilights were intended to be fake deaths anyway (but present a genuine "mystery"), I don't know what to tell you.

No one except delusional shipperfags supports Yasu as presented.

We all long for the episode 5 promise, mainly that Beatrice was a hero. Ergo...

I timidly support Yasu with the caveat that she isn't actually the mastermind, and you should too, if you have any love.

>>6551600
>the twilights were intended to be fake deaths anyway
That's stupid.
Nobody except her 3 accomplices were playing along with her.
The bomb was real, the guns she prepared were real.
She was going to kill people.

>>6551600
Oh, I see, you're imposing your fanfiction onto Umineko.

That's nice! Sadly, it's never said the deaths were faked, at all. Also, the scenario is retarded.

Yasu: Hey guys, let's all fake our deaths!
Everyone else: Why?
Yasu: Take this gold and shut up, also there's a bomb but I'm sure NOTHING bad will happen with that!

Add to the fact that the twilights in episodes 1 and 2 have some legitimate deaths, that can NOT be faked, and your conjecture falls apart. Yasu is a (probably wannabe) murderer.

>>6551600
Huh? In episodes 1-4 people being totally, absolutely dead is more or less half of the red text. You also seem to discount the guns, the bomb, and the accomplices.

Typical Yasufag grasping at straws, I see.

>>6551620
Yes, because Nanjo and Kumasawa totally seem like the sorts of people who would play along with a real plot to slaughter everyone, including them, and blow up the island.

Not to mention Battler figured out and attacked Erika "fake deaths" as soon as he hit upon the full truth in EP5. Not to mention his gameboard where he was supposed to show he understood everything was based on fake twilight deaths. Not to mention Kumasawa and Gohda were blatantly setting up their own fake deaths before they were killed for real. Not to mention how similar the setup for the initial twilights in EP3 are to the ones in EP6 in terms of reasoning they were fake due to the victims being situated in comfortable places. Not to mention Beatrice's letter promises that if the epitaph is solved, "all interest collected will be returned"--ie, all people killed will be brought back--and it's hammered in over and over and even stated in red that Beatrice will keep her promise.

>>6551589
And servant Kanon and servant Shannon are different people, I swear.

Jessica has two notable portrayals in regards to the headship. One is being a bit frustrated at the Ushiromiya family's nuttiness(Who wouldn't be?), but the other is that she IS a family supporter in the end.(Episode 7 shows this aspect very much so, her devotion to Natsuhi is one example among many, in episode 4 she has her answer as a maiden and as the head, hell, Jessica's MO is that there's the social Jessica and the family centric Jessica, episode 6 has her start to get annoyed when Erika mentions Krauss might lose the headship)

Basically, here is a person who like it or not has been raised to be the heiress. Countless hours of preparation, and devotion to the point where she has two different personas. Now, suppose she finds out that all the preparation was for nothing and that the true head more or less did nothing. Her wanting to be the heirness or not, that would annoy her.

More so than that, it might have her take action in order to ensure that her family is ok.

I DONT GIVE A DANM ANYMORE FUCK

>>6551634
Old people with money prepared for their children/grandchildren?
Yes they could, stop being stupid.

>>6551634
It doesn't change the fact that episodes 1 and 2, the ones we KNOW Yasu wrote, had actual deaths in them. Nanjo and Kumasawa also end up toasted in that, if you recall correctly.

Plus the fact that she prepared actual guns and a bomb, your idealistic fanfiction falls apart.

>>6551589
Sure about that bro? Cause she sure got pissed when Erika suggested her position as heir might not be a sure bet. Downright furious in fact, which only invited more trolling from Erika.

Just because she doesn't want it, doesn't mean she's going to let someone else take it from her.

>>6551660
You mean the ones stated to have been written with the intent of saving people by covering up the actual truth?

And you're acting like we haven't already been given an example of intended fake twilight deaths turning into real murders without the faker's intent.

>>6551667
>>6551579
Funny how the only plausible alternate theory beyond YASU DID IT involves Jessica doing it.(George too, but I am of the opinion that no one would really even notice if George did anything)

As a Kyrie culprit bro, I'm mad.

Really, you spend AN ENTIRE NOVEL showing how awesome Kyrie is, even having a scene in which Eva, the queen of being far too competent for her own good, complements her, and then you show WELL ACTUALLY SHE JUST TOOK A GUN AND SHOT EVERYONE ON A WHIM.

I guess I was wrong to choose the classy red herring, but was there REALLY a need to make her a culprit anyways, albiet a shitty one?

>>6551660
You do know the stories didn't actually happen, right bro? Do you get angry at horror scripts for being blueprints too?

>>6551722
It's pretty obvious there's more going on with Kyrie than the Tea Party presents at face value, so I don't really know what you're bitching about.

>>6551667
If I were in Jessica's shoes, and I found out Yasu was going to take the head just because, and also that Yasu was manipulating people like the fist of the north star, I'd find it fitting to do the same to her.

Hoist by her own petard, y'know?
(Mind you, I say her* in regards to Yasu as even if she is a guy or a herm, dressing up like a witch is very feminine.)

>>6551722
>WELL ACTUALLY SHE JUST TOOK A GUN AND SHOT EVERYONE ON A WHIM.
No, she didn't. She was one of the guiding forces behind solving the epitaph, waited for two of the four guns to have been depleted of ammo, killed the last person that could be a threat and then calmly dispatched everyone else on the island so that nothing could possibly get in the way when the explosion would cover everything up. The careful planning and waiting that went into what she did is much more impressive than elaborate closed room bullshit, but I guess deluded Kyriefags like you won't be happy unless she's laughing like a harpy and twirling around in Beato's dress or whatever the shit you want.

>>6551737
>Yasu was manipulating people like the fist of the north star
You spoilerfags are hilarious, seriously.

>>6551724
It doesn't really matter too much if it was or was not Yasu herself to be the one to kill everyone, if s/he prepared guns and a bomb with the very likely possibility of killing people, we're allowed to call him/her shit tier.

I don't get mad at movie scripts, but I do get mad at preparations to kill people, the same way I would get mad at someone throwing a lit match into a room with gunpowder.

>>6551747
Oh, so dressing up as Kanon and Shannon was just for larks? Lying to people was for a good reason? Like it or not, she made people believe that there were two people who did not actually existed.

Getting people to believe things that you want them to is a manipulation, brosef. You're pretty funny yourself if you think Yasu's dress up shenanigans don't count.

>>6551754
Yasu didn't set the bomb. Also, the guns were originally in the study and were brought down to the gold room. The room where Yasu didn't think anyone would come. The room where, when fake murders would happen, the guns couldn't be reached and actually blow people's heads off.

>>6551761
Who was she lying to? She told Jessica that there was no way she was falling in love with her and to leave her alone. Not to mention Kanon existed to help Shannon cope, not to flirt with Jessica and lead her on.

>>6551761
Yasu was trying to work out her own issues. George and Jessica are the ones that went to her and started humping her legs, and Yasu tried to shut Jessica down. If we can call Yasu a dirty evil manipulator for putting up a front to work out her issues, then Battler is the same for using steroids, Jessica is the same for faking asthma, George is the same for lying to his parents about hsi relationship with Shannon.

>>6551762
The guns were charged, Yasu was going to use them.
Heck she even states it herself.

>>6551774
Working's one issues out is usually not achieved by creating 5 million different people.

Oh no! Yasu faced trouble after pretending to be two people! Le Gasp! Well, of course s/he did. If Yasu remained as Shannon Jessica would have respected that, and even then, Jessica had a crush on Yasu, it's not like she was in love with him/her.

Lies beget lies, and pretending to be a million people has its consequences.

>>6551802
Yeah. Funny how Yasufags ignore Yasu him/her/itself, in order to justify him/her/it.

>>6551802
Uh, charged? Also, Yasu would have only needed one gun. Not to mention, why change the money if it wasn't going to be used as bribe? There are too many holes, but you anti-Yasufags keep on wanting to take things at face value. I bet you idiots also believe that Kyrie fucking hated her daughter, right?

>>6551803
Yasu faced trouble after Jessica had a crush on one of them. So she explained that she wasn't going to fall in love with Jessica. How is this a problem again?

>>6551803
Presumably something like faking asthma would have its consequences, too. Why the fuck should Yasu have to be mindful of Jessica when trying to work out her issues by herself, however she chooses to? It's not like she wanted Jessica to fall for Kanon, and has been stated a million times, she told Jessica flat out "it's not happening and I don't love you" as Kanon when Jessica confronted her with it.

Was Yasu acting as Shannon and Kanon a sign of mental instability? Sure. Was she doing it with the intent of manipulating or hurting people? Not in the slightest. EP6 pretty much tells us Kanon was intended to disappear altogether once Shannon managed to get her act together anyway.

If you look at the rule of the world of Umineko, then the pieces can only act the way their personalities define them.
And all the stories we saw "could" be valid.
Yasu definitely kills in episode 1-4, therefore that mean she has the will to kill even in the real world.
That's the basis of the closed box, Bern even used it to prove to Ange that Kyrie was could easily murder people

>>6551816
You'd think Will going into enraged seizures about motive and heart being missing altogether from the Tea Party as presented would tell people not to take it at face value and start asking questions, but oh well.

>>6551836
Not even once did Will try to argue against the fact that Yasu was planning to kill people.
Neither did Battler in the previous episodes with Beatrice.

>>6551830
Yasu isn't a piece, idiot.

Also, I do believe Yasu was willing to let the bomb explode if no one managed to figure it out, so she wasn't entirely innocent. But the rules as she set them up were fair and I find it hard to believe that she could keep her promises, as said in red, if everyone was really dead by her own hand.

>>6551849
Playing with people's lives isn't fair, it's attempted murder at best.

That's our biggest beef. We know there's more revelations to come, but we refuse to see Yasu as a victim when she's more than willing to kill innocent people.

>>6551848
Will is there to solve one mystery. Who the killer was in the fictional murders of Umineko. In fiction, Yasu is the culprit, so why would he argue against her being the killer?

We also know that when Battler discovered the truth he started weeping over not being able to save her. Yep, everyone does that for the person that killed their entire family, right?

What makes any of you think that just because Yasu portrays herself as the culprit in the Episodes she's the culprit on Real Rokkenjima?

Yasu is most likely the culprit in Episodes 1-4, sure. But Yasu is almost certainly NOT the real culprit, and she created the games as a way to shield Battler from the real truth. She puts all the blame on herself. That's what Beatrice has been representing since the very beginning. She blames all the murders on herself, the Witch Beatrice, rather than have Battler accept that it was a human culprit and one of his family. Because the real truth is a bummer.

That said, Yasu doesn't know everything. There's no way Kyrie hated her daughter.

Considering Episode 7's TP Play starts with Eva's voice going "WHY DON'T YOU GIVE UP AND DIE?!" I'm pretty sure the TP is Eva's recollection of the event plus her conjecture. In other words, there's no way Rudolf and Kyrie are mustache-twirling generic evil guys, but Kyrie's probably the culprit and does so under Sumadera pressure.

Don't forget the heart, assholes.

>>6551849
Yasu is a piece, piece that has 3 roles.
But she is still a piece, I can call her ShKanontrice if you want.
And if she wasn't to kill then all these rules and the entire series so far have been irrevelent.

Umineko is supposed to be fair in that you can understand the motive and personality of the characters based on how they act in the various situations they are set in.
Yasu who kill in episode 1-4 has to mean that she can kill in the real world, otherwise Umineko isn't fair.

>>6551854
And yet people don't hate Kyrie for actually killing people in cold blood.

>>6551859
It's pretty obvious that Umineko is not really a fair play mystery. Trying to judge it by those standards is fucking retarded.

>>6551865
Umineko has been defined as fair even in this fucking episode.
And the whole fucking setting the entire series is based on, the cat box, only works if the setup composed of the place/characters/personalities/motives is always the same.

Denying that the Yasu in the real world and the Yasu in episode 1-4 don't have the same personalities is denying that setting.

>>6551862
What? I certainly do! Do not make generalizations, silly. All murderers can suck a fat one in my book.
>>6551858
>mustache twirling bad guy
Shroedinger, is that you:3? If so, it's me, the guy who always annoys you and makes Batman jokes. Anyways, however you may be, no one thinks Yasu did in IRL, that's beyond debate. We do, however, think Yasu was trying his/her damned to be the IRL culprit.

>>6551870
>denying they have the same personalities
Fixed, I'm making more and more mistakes, guess it's time to sleep.

>>6551865
Yasufag: Why do you victim Yasu, she's pure!
Anti-Yasufag: Well, going by the rules of Umineko itself, s/he's pretty much a jerk.
Yasufag: ZOMG ITS NOT FAIR PLAY YOU HAVE NO LOVE!

I exaggerate, of course, but Anti-Yasufags know our stuff, we know the rules of Umineko, and furthermore know that Yasu planned on killing people. Don't dismiss us because we don't like your waifu.

Moonfag here, don't mind me, just watching the two sides tear each other apart while I sip a glass of Chianti.

>>6551855
Pretty much this. People don't get what the "mystery" in Umineko actually is. Umineko is presented as a meta-story for a reason. The mystery was an in-universe story Yasu wrote and presented to Battler that she wanted to be solved, so he could understand her heart and her identity crisis, and remember his sin. That was one purpose behind the message bottles.

But Yasu wrote also herself as the culprit in that mystery to cover up the truth of Rokkenjima in order to save people. Hence all the anvils about Beatrice the scapegoat. Hence why Battler cries about not being able to save her. Hence why Will throws his life away defending her. Hence why Lion is determined to protect her and live for her sake once he understood, even after screaming about how he can't understand why Beatrice could to this to his family and friends. Hence why Bern mocked her as a noble, tragic heroine whose efforts all were for naught, not as a pathetic delusional killer.

>>6550804
Don't you mean duck butt broom boy?

>>6551897
Doubletricebro here, just being a bro and being all cool and taking it easy while you two Jessitrice and Shkanontrice fags fight it and-

Apparently I don't exist anymore.

>>6551899
If so, then there must be another culprit. And this culprit cannot be Kyrie, it cannot be Rudolf, it has to be someone who planned this out, because your theory would necessitate that. It requires Yasu to have known in advance that someone was going to try to pull something.

Although to be frank, Yasu did say she was going to use the guns, and as things seem I can't really see how Yasu could have known about someone's dastardly plot and at the same time be powerless to stop it. She IS the head, remember?

>>6551906
Course you don't. Come over to the dark side, we don't have people who dress up as witches!

>>6551878
You do realize that Anti-Yasufags were the ones that came and shit up a perfectly good thread, right? Don't pretend the opposition is rabid and irrational when you guys can't even stand to see one thread having fun and liking her character.

>>6551910
there are no bad people
hilarious chain of events
bomb inevitably explodes
maybe two or three secretly survived, including yasu, for a love orgy

>>6551906
We died for Mother Broussia. It's a pity that the Moonfags and Shkanontricefags still exist, I thought at least one of them would have been taken out.

>>6551910
Remember the end of EP6? Rokkenjima incident was somehow involved in a WORLD PEACE conspiracy. Something bigger was going on. But keeping out all traces of that was Yasu's goal in covering up the truth (hence why we had to go outside her catbox to hear about it and other Sumadera weirdness), and isn't technically part of the mystery.

>>6551917
What? You were just posting pictures calling Yasu cute, we actually raised discussion and points to debate.

This wasn't a good thread, it was just one, or maybe two people doing an image dump.

Yasu = scapegoat

Yasu =/= culprit on real Rokkenjima

>>6551910
>And this culprit cannot be Kyrie
Why not?

Jesus, I wonder if Higurashi had this same problem. "No, Takano can't be the culprit! She doesn't have a motive! It must be that evil bitch Hanyuu!"

Seriously, I can understand if Yasu's character doesn't appeal. I can understand if you don't like her. I just wish people would actually talk about her faults in a reasonable way instead of engaging in crazy hyperbolic "OMG EVIL SLUT SLUT MURDERER SLUT"

>>6551925
The Sumaderas are first mentioned at the end of episode 4, for them to be the culprit is kinda out of left field.

Besides, Okonogi treats them as a joke, and a woman who gets easily killed by a sniper dude and a high school chick does not a main bad guy make.

>>6551939
She's not the actual Sumadera head.

>>6551932
You're obviously "discussing" things you haven't even read yet. Bern mocks Yasu's noble goals, and the narrative calls her decision in the gold room tragic and brave, but by all means, let's just assume she's a crazy bitch and spaz out accordingly.

>>6551939
The mystery we were supposed to be able to solve by episode 4 is the mystery of Yasu's heart, along with all the fictional events. The mystery of what actually happened on Rokkenjima came about later, it's fine for them to be culprits.

>>6551939
Yasu is the culprit of "the mystery".

"The mystery" is a piece of fiction Yasu wrote to be understood, but also to cover up the truth of reality, and which doesn't give a fuck about mystery or its tropes, regarding culprits or otherwise.

>>6551934
It can't be Kyrie because she reacted to the events, as opposed to have made them.

If your theory on Yasu being the one who is a tragic heroine, trying to hide the truth and knowing about things well in advance is correct, then Yasu must have known about another person's plans in advance as well.

Kyrie did something on the spot, she didn't plan on the epitagh mess.

>>6551955
Okay, answer me this. Have you read the Tea Party. Not with Atlas, actually read it in Japanese. Because if you had, you would have noticed that Kyrie's reactions were crazy suspicious, including, but not limited to scenes where she seems like she's outright prompting Beatrice what to talk about.

Also, one of the things Beatrice knew in advance was that Ange wasn't going to be attending. How would Yasu know something like that when Ange's own mother doesn't?

>>6551955
This. Kyrie has only been shown to be the culprit in opportunistic bids after the epitaph challenge, because of the bomb. She did this when Kinzo unveiled the epitaph for Lion's birthday, and when Yasu presented the epitaph as a challenge.

If Yasu doesn't actually plan to kill anyone though, she never comes up with the epitaph and says to solve it, nobody actually knows if it leads to the gold or not, Kyrie never kills anyone unless there's something else.

>>6551962
Maybe she thought Ange would be attending but Battler wouldn't be?

>>6551964
This makes no sense, though. Why the wholesale slaughter in Lion's world? Kinzo put forth the epitaph in Lion's world to open up negotiation about Lion's headship. And yet things play out the same exact way? Right down to Ange not being there?

>>6551972
Because Kinzo says it will decide who the head is, he expects Lion to solve it, but instead the adults do. Upon finding the gold and the bomb, generally the same shit happens.

You would think one thing would have a massive butterfly effect, but there isn't so much of a difference.

>>6551986
But again, why isn't Ange there? This is an entirely new world right down to the moment where Lion wasn't chucked off the cliff. But Bern tells us two things. One, it is impossible for Ange to go to the island, no matter what. Two, there are no Fragments where the murders do not happen. If you think back to Higurashi, this means that things are set into place BY something.

And then we have Kyrie talking about her "two masters"...

>>6551986
>Upon finding the gold and the bomb
Who told the adults about the bomb?

>>6552021
Lion not getting thrown of the cliff doesn't change Ange getting sick. There doesn't have to much more to it than that. Kyrie's two masters are Bern and Lambda, but I have no idea what to make of that.

>>6552025
It stands to reason that they would thoroughly inspect the room. It might even have been one of the servants, since there was one there for Yasu.

>>6552021
Personally, I'm curious as to why Kyrie's "hell" is only ending after eighteen years, or in 1986. If the issue was Rudolf being with Asumu, her hell should have only lasted for twelve years, and ended six years ago, so...

>>6552035
The bomb is pointed out to be very well hidden in a location you wouldn't think to check. Secondly, there are no labels of any sort, so even if they found the switch, there's no telling what the switch itself would do. Thirdly, Yasu wasn't told about it in her initial visit to the room so it doesn't make sense for a servant to be the ones to tell them.

Why are people so surprised about the split personality thing? It isn't like it came out of nowhere, It is obviously due to Ginzo's "black blood." all the female characters with Ushiromiya blood are crazy and have some sort of split personality/imaginary friends. Eva, Rosa, Maria, Yasu all have imaginary friends or split personalities.

>>6552035
>inspect the room
>notice the clock has a switch on it
>CLEARLY IT'S A 900 TON BOMB CAPABLE OF OBLITERATING THE ISLAND

Huh?

>>6552025
First off, the bomb should only be there if Yasu gets chucked, right?

With Lion, it should not exist.

>>6552052
Sure, why not. They could have also inspected the tunnels. It can't be easy to hide 900 tonnes of dynamite. And you're ignoring my suggesting that a servant could have been there.

>>6552062
Who said that? It does seem unlikely it would still be there, but even if Kinzo does not have a bomb set up, there are still 900 tonnes of dynamite on the island.

>>6552051
Imaginary friends are not split personalities.

>>6552066
And then magically figured out the unobtrusive switch on the clock was what would make it explode? Also, why would the servant tell them about the bomb? Kinzo knew and was still alive at that point, where Yasu was acting head of the family and it was her duty to impart that knowledge.

>>6552028
> Kyrie's two masters are Bern and Lambda, but I have no idea what to make of that.
It means Kyrie is the ultimate piece, having the power of two Voyager witches backing her up.

>>6552080
On top of imaginary friends, the "black witch" for Eva, Rosa, Maria.

>>6552085
>And then magically figured out the unobtrusive switch on the clock was what would make it explode?
Not magically, but through thorough inspection. They don't even need the switch to make it explode. I'm sure Kyrie and Rudolf can manage something once they find the dynamite. Kyrie's thought process was based on that there's a method to eliminate all evidence on the island, with 900 tonnes of dynamite that still exists.
>Also, why would the servant tell them about the bomb?
Duty, in serving their name master? Because someone asked what the switch did? Because Kinzo was likely to be upset with handing the headship to them so he wouldn't be cooperative, and would hand it over without feeling the need to answer any questions, so it was appropriate for someone more level-headed to do it?

>>6552116
>I'm sure Kyrie and Rudolf can manage something once they find the dynamite.
And you think that something will be accomplished in a couple of hours at most? Pray tell, what is this "something"?
>Duty, in serving their name master?
Whoever solved the epitaph wouldn't be the new master. The master is still Kinzo.

>>6552046
'cause she finds out from the Sumaderas in 1986 that Battler is her child and not Asumu's, causing her to realize that it wasn't her misfortune but what she presumably assumes is Asumu's evil manipulative bitchiness that stole Rudolf away. And then the Sumaderas use that as a way to inflame her into murdering everyone.

>>6552080

The ones with imaginary friends are not the offspring of their sister.