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Knox's 3rd, you son of a whore!

Can we discuss the patch now?

>>6538932

Is it even uploaded yet? It's not on their site.

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>>6538942
http://www.witch-hunt.com/news.html
go to Links

>>6538942
Indeed it is. On the stage6 section, I believe.

Either way, it's an installer and covers 50%. Picks up from where we left Kinzo and Bice off.

They're finished? I thought they were at 50%.

>>6538942

Yes it is,hell I just got done playing it a few hours ago.

That being said,I'll say it again,I still don't get why you fags hate Shkanontrice so much. It still makes sense in the end so stop being assmad about your theory not being sufficiently backed up.

>>6538942
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3369731#post3369731

>>6538942

Just download the DVD patch version. Works for me.

>>6539001
I dislike it, and I don't even know -why-.

>>6539001

I don't mind Shkanon, but I don't like shkanontrice.

I still believe Kyrie is the mastermind.

I'm rather jealous.

Is the Bern VS Will fight done? or any of that part shown? I want to see her theme music in action.

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>>6539065
Bern vs Will is at the very end of the episode, so no.

Also, I don't care what anyone says, I really like Yasu. Haters gonna hate.

>>6539060
Same ;_;
>>6539065
Not in first 12 chapters/50% patch.

I'm still going to wait until the whole episode is finished.
I've got to be able to read the whole thing or it's a major buzz kill when I get to the unfinished parts.

>pic
Oh boy, now there's a scene that doesn't get better with age...
It sounded bad back then, it sounds even more idiotic now.
>stupid and impossible scenario
>YOU CANT PROVE IT AND I DONT HAVE TO NYEH NYEH NYEH

>>6539055
here's some putin

I WANT TO BELIEVE.

Seriously, I miss Jessitrice/moon-chan.

>>6539060

>>6539115
>NYEH NYEH NYEH

>>6538931
>It is forbidden for hidden passages to exist.
You're thinking of Knox's 4th
>It is forbidden for unknown drugs or hard to understand scientific devices to be used.

>>6539348
Would you adopt a Siesta? I'd adopt a Siesta.

I'd adopt Siesta. Who Wouldn't adopt Siesta?

>>6539383
I'd adopt 556 if only that Black Witch hadn't killed her of the alive and known Siesta sisters 45 is the best.

>>6539348
please squish

>>6539379
For what it's worth, multiple personalities that can be discarded count as a "hard to understand scientific device". This is why everyone hates Shkanontrice, it's nothing more than a convienent 'device' that has no place in real world logic.(for fucks sake, aliens from space being the culprits is more probable than Shkanontrice working in any way it was used)

Yasu is just a ruse the real culprit is Gohda

>>6539431

what other mysteries in Umineko still unsolved?Battler's identity?

>>6539169
I don't. So glad you fags have given up on disgusting Jessitrice.

>>6539520

>For what it's worth, multiple personalities that can be discarded count as a "hard to understand scientific device".

I can't really buy this honestly. I mean sure, in a sense I get where this comes from especially with all of Wills "Don't ignore the heart" crap but it's not very difficult to grasp Multiple Personalities unless you feel like knowing -EVERY SINGLE- specific about it. Like what parts of the brain it requires for example.

It's not even multiple personalities in the first place, so why would it violate that Knox rule?

>>6539661

Who Battler's mother is.

>>6539081
>Also, I don't care what anyone says, I really like Yasu.
>My face when Yasu was awesome despite /jp/'s autistic bitching when they read about her with Atlas.

>>6539661

I think the thing about his Birthday still needs to be solved.

So, what exactly happened in Chapter Three of Yasu's story?

Yasu gave up being a servant, and, then what?

When I read Ep7 with ATLAS, I thought she kinda 'merged' with Shannon, but was I wrong there?

>>6540711
I would think of it as Shannon and Yasu always being two facets of the same identity, but their roles altered when that happened. It used to be that Yasu = lonely, clumsy human with Shannon = ideal imaginary friend, but now it's changed to Yasu/Beatrice = prankster witch, with Shannon = human face.

>>6540724
So, Shannon didn't exist from the beginning?

That'd make sense, I guess.

>>6540711
Yasu didn't give up being a servant. But until then she just was a servant hoping to do her best, but having been able to trick whatshername with a sleight of hand and credit the withc made her realize she could essentially put herself in control of the household to some extent by exploiting the witch angle and tricks, so from that point on she was the "witch", the master of Rokkenjima's night masquerading as a servant, movign Shannon from an ideal to a front.

>>6540724
>>6540737
Hm. Although Skanontrice is confirmed, was it shown here that Yasu and Shannon are the same person?

Damn, I thought I knew what was going on.

>>6540729
Yes, Shannon was always Yasu's imaginary friend/ideal. You'll notice how none of the other servants ever actually spoke to Shannon or responded to anything she said when she tried to speak up for Yasu, or how they were bitching about how the rooms ought to have been at least shared in pairs in Yasu's situation even though she was supposedly pairing up with Shannon already.

>>6540752
Yeah, so I was right, after all.

Sheesh.

So to sum up:

>>6540748
Well, if you read closely no one other than Yasu is acknoweldging the Shannon who's with her, plus Shannon should've been younger back then (well, that could just be sprite recycling), plus that'd mean Shannon's been a Rokkenjima servant since her childhood and when Yasu's situation is explained we see it's highly unusual to have servants that young and that Yasu's the first case (and only, since the others are only complaining about Yasu). The final confirmation is the bedroom, the other servants only say Yasu has a special bedroom, not how many beds there are, Yasu's the only one who says she was in the same two beds room as Shannon, until Shannon's finally revealed to be alone in a one bed room.

>>6540776
Awesome.

>>6540776
That's cute as hell, awesome

To sum it all up, YASU WAS AN INBRED CHILD WHO SUFFERED FROM TERRIBLE INBRED MUTATIONS WHICH CAUSED THE INBRED CHILD TO HAVE SCHIZOPHRENIA. And that is the truth. All that's left is who killed everyone.

>>6540776
>>6540781
This part kinda got to me. I dunno, I was actually pretty charmed by the adventures of young Yasu and her imaginary friends.

Okay.

Did Shannon really exist? The one who was with the stakes, I mean. Not the Shannon who is in Rokkenjima in 1986.

tl;dr: Yasu is a schizophrenic child.

>>6540825
No.

>>6539661
>what other mysteries in Umineko still unsolved?Battler's identity?
An amusing theory put forth yesterday before the board was flushed (and that's certainly surfaced before) is that the Battler we know is just a plot device, an imaginary protagonist exactly like Erika was.

For some reason the real Battler hadn't been present at the reunion (either didn't reconcile with Rudolf or was otherwise prevented from coming before the storm) but it isn't widely known because he didn't make himself known after the incident (maybe because he didn't want to get involved in all the family crap, or Eva made a deal for him to stay out of the succession). So his presence there is only an hypothesis. Erika demonstrates that this is at least possible.

That'd take care of not being the son of Asumu: being a plot device, Battler isn't the son of anybody.

That also allows him to both survive the incident (the real one wasn't there) and get a happy meta-ending (Imaginary Battler with imaginary Beato).

Then the forgeries could be a message either from the real Battler (to Ange) or directed to the real Battler, an homahe to his lost family coupled with wish fulfillment with them living through an awesome story of detectives and sorcery.

>>6540825
She did and didn't. Big sister Shannon helping Yasu was just Yasu's ideal, but Shannon was Yasu's servant name.

>>6540845
>homahe
Meant "homage"

The big weak point, though, is why the real Battler let Ange's life turn out so prodigiously crappy. Maybe the real Battler turned out to be a terrible person and his fictional counterpart is heavily idealized, but I wouldn't like that.

>Hello, I am a moron. Even though the stakes specifically discussed that only yasu had a room to herself, and complained that it should be the standard if there's an extra room to make two of the rooms have two girls, and this contradict's shannon's existence, and shannon from the actual memories is never actually acknowledged by the other girls, and yasu has control over everything of shannon, I'm wondering whether shannon exists or not
>also I'm months behind

>>6540776
>Leon
Fucking still.

The big question: is there homolust? Like
> I'll definitely never let go of you, Lion~~

>>6540923
Yes and no. There is a moment like that, but you can't actually prove it's homolust, can you?

>>6540940
You mean that Lion's gender is uncertain?
Because if it's certain that he's male, I'm fine with no explicit declarations of love.

>>6540950
Both. Lion's gender is uncertain and it's not really like "I LOVE YOU SO MUCH, LION" but it's good enough for any shipper.

Though most people seem to have decided Lion is male and lost his penis from the accident, since it makes sense with the evidence.

>>6540923
It's not like Will cares about his gender.
Even if he was hermaphrodite, he would love him.

I'd like to have a husband like Will ;_;

>>6540950
Lion's obviously male. R07 wouldn't risk losing the majority of his audience by insinuating that it isn't gay.

Anyone else think the Will/Lion pairing exists just so we can have Umineko dojins that don't involve Battler being raped, thus maybe bringing him back some credibility?

>>6540967
But if Lion is male then so is Beato. That means even more rape for Battler, really.

>That means even more rape for Battler, really.
Actually, it'd be about the same.

>>6540963
He's really the only Umineko character I can fantasize about. ;____;

> It's not like Will cares about his gender.
:3c
I can't find that "Lion is Lion" pic, though. I don't even remember if it was by Rifyu.

Rather than being male or female, Lion is probably both. As in, R07 created a character and never canonically decided on their gender, he always planned to have separate ends where the fans would just choose whatever they liked. It will remain a cat box. This is what the choices in episode 8 will be for.

Why are people morons and believe Yasu has multiple personalities?

The whole fucking Episode basically goes out of it's way to say that she doesn't. It's just an extreme case of Maria and Ange's 'magic', which allows them to make the best of bad situations. Yasu creates characters to imagine she shares the hard times with, and puts on the front of Shannon as her persona to go through life.

Kanon is a character she invented to play because she's confused by love and possibly sexuality (seeing as it's likely Yasu has no gender due to the accident), and as a character can thus be 'killed off' by her. Beatrice is the person she 'truly wants to be', but even then she gets fed up with herself because she can't let go of wanting to love.


It's really not all that hard.

Also, there is no god damn way in hell Yasu is the main culprit. She probably set up the closed rooms and coerced everyone with the money to play along with her, but there is no way she kills everyone.

>>6540994
> choices in episode 8
WHAT

>>6540967
I personally liked the theory that Umineko is Ryu's way of coming out.

>>6540997
>Also, there is no god damn way in hell Yasu is the main culprit. She probably set up the closed rooms and coerced everyone with the money to play along with her, but there is no way she kills everyone.
She actually is. In episodes 1-4. But those are fictions.

>>6540997
>The whole fucking Episode basically goes out of it's way to say that she doesn't. It's just an extreme case of Maria and Ange's 'magic', which allows them to make the best of bad situations. Yasu creates characters to imagine she shares the hard times with, and puts on the front of Shannon as her persona to go through life.
>Kanon is a character she invented to play because she's confused by love and possibly sexuality (seeing as it's likely Yasu has no gender due to the accident), and as a character can thus be 'killed off' by her.
>Beatrice is the person she 'truly wants to be', but even then she gets fed up with herself because she can't let go of wanting to love.

Yes, that's the kind of delusion that's called multiple personalities in the real world.

>>6541011
>She actually is. In episodes 1-4
Care to develop?

How about:
>Yasu loses his penis in the cliff incident
>Fukuin house gives him female hormones
>???

>>6540923
>I'll definitely never let go of you, Lion~~
Considering Will pretty much says these exact words during the Tea Party, uh...

>>6541021
Well, the parts that show this (like the part where Will solves games 1-4 in quick succession) haven't been translated. But if you're listening to what Will says, he admits that Yasu is the culprit. Those episodes were Yasu's games where she was the killer every time, but they aren't actually what happened. They're just message bottles.

>>6541037
Right. Will's solutions for 1-4 show that Yasu is the culprit - but she's the culprit of the stories in the message bottles. Clair actually specifies that the "world" she's speaking from is the world contained within the message bottle.

My personal speculation is that there are two layers of motive for Yasu going on here. One is as the culprit of the message bottles, which convey her heart, her identity crisis, and her problems with love. The other is her motive for writing and hurling out the message bottles in the first place, which is actually explicitly stated in the episode: "to save the people who would be hurt by the truth."

>>6541049
That's right, except she actually did plan to kill everyone and made those message bottles beforehand, she couldn't have done so during the event. This is detailed in the tea party.

I'm of the opinion that Yasu is NOT the mastermind, because she's by extension Beatrice, and Beatrice is love.

Also Will got killed at the end of episode 7, so all is not right in the world of Seakats.

I doubt Kyrie and Rudolf were as bad as they were portrayed, and quite frankly, Jessica's(also Maria's) death scene being left out leaves much open to question.

No doubt that they both died, the question is what actually happened?

>>6541035
Well, that's what I remembered from all these EP7 threads from before, but it could have always meant something different after considering the context...

Also what was that about "choices" in >>6540994, is that confirmed?

>>6541055
No, I really do think there's more to it than that. Again, this is just my personal speculation, but I think Beatrice really is functioning as a genuine scapegoat through the message bottles, and never intended the actual truth to get out. The mystery that she wrote into the bottles are important to her, since she wanted so badly to be understood.

But there have been some heavy hints that there actually is a bigger conspiracy going on in Rokkenjima, that Yasu may or may not have had some foresight into, but the hints regarding a possible larger conspiracy? Are given to us in the setting outside of Beato's catbox.

There's also that some really heavy-handed hints have been given to us about staged deaths and faked deaths for the twilights.

I think Will managed to reach the answers Yasu intended for the readers to reach, and successfully solved the mystery. But the mystery in and of itself was a work of fiction meant to set Yasu's mind at ease, give her an avenue for someone to understand her, and, as stated, save people from the truth. It might be that I'm wrong, and I'd actually be okay with that - I'm sympathetic to Yasu either way - but it would make the most sense to me, considering basically every single person who figures the truth about Yasu out treats her like a tragic heroine who needs to be saved, even Bern.

>>6541057
I think there's a good chance Jessica trolled Kyrie before her death. Part of why Kyrie flipped out is because her gun didn't work, no question, but remember, Jessica managed to get a hit in, ergo Kyrie's guard was let down.

Also Kyrie going all berserker like she did on Jessica is a bit out of character. Her killing Maria with a knife, sadly, is very much IN character.

>>6541005
Bernkastel, Lambdadelta, Jessica, Erika, Will, Ange, Ronove, The Siestas, Mammon, this is a cast fulla gay.

>>6541069
Well, he's saying it in a "even if I die, I won't let Lion get hurt" way, not a "I vow to spend my life with you, Lion!" kind of way, but I think the romantic subtext is pretty obvious. I can't exactly picture Will acting towards George or Battler the way he did with Lion in that scene.

>>6541077
I still think Yasu did go into the conference with the intention to kill everyone, that's made pretty clear. It's just that she'll stop if the epitaph is solved, and the bomb is a danger even if everything else goes swimmingly.

>>6541087
The question here I suppose is "Did s/he really come to plan that on her own", or is there someone behind him/her?

In Poirot's last novel(Not the last written, mind you, but the last one canonically), there exists a very interesting kind of villain.

This villain NEVER lied, the villain never did a crime, the villain basically only did one thing.

That was control people by revealing true information at specific times, in such a manner as to facilitate a murder. Hercule Poirot figures this shit out, and so he shoots the fuck out of him like a boss, and then doesn't take his pills, dies(he was dying already NBD)

The essence of what I'm saying, however, is that take a character, like George for example. He could spend time with Yasu, never actually kill anyone himself or plan specifically a murder, but by revealing to Yasu bad information, cause him/her to snap.

>>6540923

>homolust

People actually think Lion's a guy? Man I am shock.

No really,with all the girl teenage servants you see(Dat maid Luci-nee for example. It was all copy & paste but how I loved it so) it really surprises me to know people can reach that conclusion. In my view,the attire's there sure but the some of the traits just don't match up. The ass-pinching thing isn't aggressive enough for example and there's the comparisons that Jessica gets to Lion.

>>6541087
See, I think there are things about that that don't quite make sense - for example, when Battler figures out everything, one of the truths he instantly busts at Erika that ruins her day is that the twilight deaths were faked. The premise of his gameboard that's supposed to reflect his complete understanding of Beato's death is that the murders are faked. Kumasawa and Gohda's weirdness in EP4 also insinuates fake deaths being at least planned, and the EP3 first twilight is suspiciously similar to EP6's in terms of everyone's corpses being cozy in very comfortable rooms.

There's also that there is absolutely no way that Genji, Kumasawa, and Nanjo didn't know exactly what was going on with Shannon, Kanon, Beatrice, and Yasu as the killer in all of the question arcs, and while I might buy Genji could have gone along with it anyway, Kumasawa and Nanjo are pretty much normalfags. I really don't think they'd go as far as throwing themselves into a genuine murder plot of Yasu's or continuing to cover for her when she's ripping people's faces off. But if it's supposed to be a game? Sure they would.

>>6541117
I have the faintest idea WHY, but I love the idea of Will x Jessica x Lion.

Japan seems to as well, fucking incest obsessed simpletons.

>>6541115
But by that logic Mr Delicious is the culprit for most of Higurashi.

>>6541123
Some weeks ago I read the theory that Eva had planned all the fake deaths to threaten Krauss. Probably at first they were faking, but everything went wrong.

That's why Eva survives, to atone her sins.

>>6541123
I have a hard time at best thinking the murders were faked.

And the bottles had to be written before the event, and the bottles outright stay LOL EVERYONE'S DEAD.

It's OK to think Yasu is the culprit, we have an episode to go. Usually mass murders are a bit more complicated than not getting a pony.

Still fucking pissed that Gohda and Jessica die though.

Ryukishi better write a TIP about Dlanor and Will.

>>6541147
The bottles being written before the event is one of the odd things, since Yasu was able to predict Ange wouldn't be at the conference due to an illness she only got the day before.

>>6541136
Not quite.

The type of culprit I have in mind is one who basically made trolling Yasu his/her business. A person who is such a fucking dick that he just really goes out of his way to make people unhappy.

Mr. Delicious was just trying to save people, this culprit is the type of dude who would tell a happy couple 10 years after the fact that the wife had an affair so they'd divorce, simply so he could get their lawnmower or something.

>>6541152
Do want, so hard

I have a feeling we won't be getting any more new TIPS because of Tsubasa coming out though ;_;

Maybe in EP8 or the Rei-equivalent...

>>6541154
That's easily explainable. Yasu knows more info than she should, the existence of another Battler, for example.

We all know that something's up with Ange. Possibly kidnapped by the scary FBIish guys.

>>6541166
That actually doesn't explain anything, though. It just adds more fuel to the "something weird is going on here with what Yasu knew and was able to predict going into the conference that she shouldn't have" without explaining why or how.

>>6541166
Ange mentions in EP4 that she was staying with Kyrie's father. Maybe he was threatening Kyrie and made her give him Ange as hostage.

>>6541152
I want to use Dlanor and Will as my tag-team in Ougon Musou Kyoku...

>>6541158
I say it'll be George

>>6541158
George seems to have a dark side. But it could have been Jessica too.

>>6541204
Jessica just strikes me as kinda simple and straightforward, apart from the cough thing, whereas George's nice attitude seems to be a front much like his dad's.

>>6541231
It'll be nice when people stop accusing poor Jessica of secretly being an evil, twisted mastermind when there's no hints towards it whatsoever.

I know this will only happen after the series is over, but still.

>>6541185
Even if something like this was true, it would still raise the question of why Yasu knows about it.

Again, it's all speculation, but Yasu wouldn't have to have literally planned to murder everyone to write the bottles beforehand. She would have just had to know everyone would probably die, which would possibly necessitate protecting people from the awful truth.

>>6541154
>The bottles being written before the event is one of the odd things, since Yasu was able to predict Ange wouldn't be at the conference due to an illness she only got the day before.

Except Ange was sick all the time, so there was a good probability she'd be. All the more since she was sick when stressed, and she'd gotten in a row with Maria during one of the previous reunions (which Yasu would know about since it was about the witch) so she'd certainly be particularly stressed by the idea of a new reunion.