/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Q. In the other Type-Moon works, who else besides Arc can fight against Servants?
A. If we're working on the condition of one on one, with an extremely average Noble Phantasm. Generally most of the 27 Ancestors, Kishima Kouma, Aozaki Aoko.
If it's just a defensive fight, but would still be a fight, then Ciel. Shiki (Rakkyo), Shiki (Tsukihime) are no match for Servants....but Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class.

Q. I have a question about the Servants vs. other character answer in the 9th issue of Comptiq. About a Servant with an average Noble Phantasm, who would have one and what rank would that have been?
A: That's a serious question. The level of the Noble Phantasm would be B, and ability being represented by numbers would be called an average Noble Phantasm. Broken Phantasm, Barrier of the Wind King (C), Gae Bolg (thrown) (B), that sort.

On the other hand, those with conceptual effects, destiny interference types fall into a special category. With Gae Bolg (regular), no matter how much Arcueid might be superior to Lancer in numbers, she will be killed depending on her luck, you see.

Shiki vs. Shirou
"If powers are at max and we ignore the point of self-destruction caused from overflow then Shiki will win. No matter how much Shirou makes swords, Shiki will keep 'killing' them. It's a different story if it's possible to use a 'Mana Burst' like Excalibur."

Problem points:
1. Most probably referring to Archer-Arm Shirou but it could just as well be UBW Shirou. In either case if we ignore the fact that both of these people aren't going to have a future left after the fight, then Shiki wins. UBW Shirou is more of a gatling gun type anyway so that would be more appropriate for a killing one after the other.
2. Killing a Noble Phantasm, even a traced one, will cause problems apparently. "Self-destruction due to overflow" in the case of Shiki could either mean the amount he has to deal with or the nature of Noble Phantasms (even traced) or a combination of both.
3. Interpretation of last line by some is that Shiki can't kill Excalibur. Interpretation by others is that Shiki can't do anything about an energy blast.

DISCUSSION OVER

From Comptiq 9

Q. Whose stronger, Gilgamesh or Arcueid (30%)? While Arcueid has the strength of 4 Servants, I remember reading a scene in hollow where Gil was the equivalent of 5 Servants + a.
A. In the definition of Arcueid's strength, there's this thing where "her output can be changed in accordance with her opponent". As an absolute order taken from her backup, the planet, she is only allowed an output that is slightly stronger than her opponent. So. Single entity ability of Arc to a Servant is roughly the same.

>>641049
Servants use their respective Noble Phantasms while Arc uses her unlimited backup to fight, and differences occur depending on affinity. A simple-is-best Arc is an all rounder, and so generally her chances of winning are only high, but there are those opponents that she just has helplessly awful compatibility with.

For example, in cases where even if the guy's stats are about the same as Arc, he has a ridiculously large number of weapons, and with high versatility. As the amount Arc is allowed to take out is based on "unit ability", against types like Gil-sama, well, you see?

And the 5 Servants + a is simply a comparison in terms of "firepower". Like with the "corpses", where each won't have to bother fending off attacks from foot soldier level opponents, the one who'd have the lead is the one who has the more weapons. In Broad Bridge, the reason why Servants excellent at one-on-one combat didn't stand out was because of this. Also, for normal Arc, she would get approximately the equivalent of 2 Servants single entity stats.

>>641051
Note: A bunch of different ways of interpreting this from what I've seen. The 4 times amount mentioned in previous Kinoko comments earlier could be the maximum amount of Arc in her 30% state that she gets depending on how powerful her enemy is. Or something similar, but on average she's going to be less than that. Base stats could be the same as one average Servant, but due to the Counter Force modifier this is adjusted to 2 times the amount of one Servant (not factoring in Noble Phantasm powers or amounts; probably the equivalent of Berserker).

Mrm, either way this is a mess. Ultimate form of Counter-Force 30% Arc = 30%. Servants and base Arc = 7.5%, while anti-Servant Arc is 15%?

Or maybe 30% Arc (with adjustment) = 2 Servants.

>>641046
Sauce is Comptiq 8, by the way.

>but Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class.
Holy shit.

Comptiq 9:

Q+A Servants vs 27 Ancestors + Bazett vs Ciel

Q: Who'd win if the Servants and the 27 Ancestors fought each other? Also, who'd win in a fight between Bazett, a renowned powerhouse of the Association, and Ciel, top class in even the Association?

A: Depends on compatibility, but basically Servants will have the slightly higher advantage. With Saber, Lancer, and Archer classes, we ought to be able to relax and see decent fights. In particular, Saber has THAT sort of Noble Phantasms so against those guys among the 27 Ancestors that overwhelm by material quantity and alienness, she'd be REALLY tough.

....Well, there are also some of those tough Ancestors that can withstand a direct hit from Excalibur-class attacks, but against those guys that just (emphasis on just; other stats don't match up) have wickedly high HP, Lancer-aniki'd be pretty tough.

Oh, and regarding Bazett-san and Lady Ciel, Ciel'd still win at the point Bazett was in Hollow. Once Bazett awakens and masters Fragarach, it'll turn into a good match.

Me: Well, so in other words. The front-line Servants are generally going to at least be equal to the typical (how the hell does this get reinterpreted to lower-ranking?) DAA. Hollow Bazett is still going to lose to Ciel, but level 30 Bazett will be able to put up a good fight.

>>641063
isnt the DVD due?

>>641068
>Oh, and regarding Bazett-san and Lady Ciel, Ciel'd still win at the point Bazett was in Hollow. Once Bazett awakens and masters Fragarach, it'll turn into a good match.
I thought Lancer killed Baz by the end of Ataraxia?

Also fuck yes, Lady Ciel.

>>641100
Bazett and Lancer kill each other in one of the loops.

>>641100
I think he's speaking hypothetically.

IN DURING SHIIIIITSTOOOORM

So bottom line is
Shiki > Shirou
Gil > 30% Arc

SLOWPOKE.JPG

>>641115
Even so, Bazett isn't dead at the end of HA.

This thread is awesome.

>>641124

And General Arc > Gilgamesh.

Interview said Shirou without his h4x < Shiki ...It also said Gilgamesh > Arcueid in terms of just power not even talking about his noble phantasms or EA.

>>641156

HAHA OH WOW.

Hn. Women and children cannot take on ore-sama. Mongrels.

>>641325
Hoo?

>>641325

>>641325
...

I find your lack of Seiba disturbing.

>>641341

What you see here is an unlimited number of Archers.

The GARest of servants.

So, if Shiki is weak against mana bursts, then wouldnt he be weak against a strong magus? Anyway, Nasu pretty much said that they both "wouldnt have much of a future" if they went at it, lol.

>>641359

Yes, and you are a little pretty boy who's better as a girl. Like Jun.

>>641358
like this?

gil-sama defeated alexander the great and his army of summoned servants

he would have beaten saber too if it weren't for her OMG ULTIMATE SHIELD H4X!!11!

Wait, so he said Servants > Shiki.... So if Shirou became a servant...

>>641397

Then Archer > Shiki

>>641397
Shiki still wins because he cuts Shirou's weapons still.

ITT: a bunch of crap speculations because these characters are not ever going to have a canon fight.

i wonder, if on the off-chance that shiki managed to get close to saber, would avalon have lines of death?

>>641403
I doubt that would be the case against Archer, who can do alot more than just project swords.

>>641410
Probably not, its the definition of H4x. Nothing can touch it.

* Avalon (アヴァロン, Avaron?): The Everdistant Utopia (全て遠き理想郷, Subete tōki risōkyō?)

Rank: EX
Type: Support.
The hallowed scabbard of Excalibur, originally stolen from King Arthur shortly before the Battle of Camlann. Mere possession of this Noble Phantasm bequeaths limited immortality through regenerative stimulation, as well as preventing physical deterioration due to aging. When initiated as a Noble Phantasm, Avalon dissipates into countless particles and immerses its user into a tranquil domain, virtually a "portable fortress". While bounded in this manner, an individual is shielded from all destructive interference in the physical realm, from parallel worlds, and dimensional planes. Avalon transcends even the most advanced sorceries, and is comparable only to "true" magic.

zomg so she would own the shit out of EVERYONEEEEE just stand there and take all attacks

>>641426
she's not standing there. she's doing a Madara (i.e. moving back and worth between dimensions)

>>641426
Well, Zellie could hit her.

Probably.

Fuck yeah, powerlevels.
That really brings back memories of my childhood when everyone was watching DBZ.

Consider this...my Reality Marble basically enables me to completely re-write my surroundings as long as the happenings within are within nature's laws. It's so strong that I can merely erase someone's existence from reality, like for example Roa.

So there's not even a basic need for me to attack said Servant if I was in a pinch.

>>641458

WAY TO LEAVE HIS ANKLES INTACT

>>641458
>Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6

Enough about Typemoon powerlevels! Fine, this will probably end all discussions. Now shut the fuck up.

>>641472

What the fuck IS ORT? Some kind of space alien or crazy Lovecraftian multidimensional being?

Anyway, if it has lines Shiki can kill it.

>>641359
What you see here is the sun falling down.

>>641049
>>A. In the definition of Arcueid's strength, there's this thing where "her output can be changed in accordance with her opponent". As an absolute order taken from her backup, the planet, she is only allowed an output that is slightly stronger than her opponent. So. Single entity ability of Arc to a Servant is roughly the same.

So the world gives her the raw power to take out whatever she's fighting, but she's four times stronger than a Servant when she's at 30% of her full power?

>>641478
>falling down

Oh, fuck you. Now I have "The London Bridge is falling down" repeating over in my head.

>>641481
Yeah, technically, the world will allow her enough backup to fight whatever is against her. Supposedly Gil is worth 5 servants, and hes stronger than her.

I need that edited message board shot with Akiha bitching about her flat chest, someone changing her name to 'I wish my breasts were as large as the centipedes swarming in my vagina.' and nyarc laughing at her.

>>641458
No, your Marble Phantasm lets you do whatever you want with nature.

oh boy, a discussion on power levels!
.
.
.
.
btw, Belldandy > the Earth

>>641458

Marble Phantasm, not a Reality Marble.

Geez. And, you turned the atmosphere in the corridor into a vacuum which hacked Roa into bits, you didn't erase him from existence.

>>641500
Too bad she doesn't exist in the Nasuverse.

>>641505
Does Cthulhu?

>>641505
she does, but Type-Moon couldn't pay the licensing fee required to show her

>>641503

True, but there was very little -left- of him afterward, save for the whole ankles thing.

>>641500
Daimakaicho would like a word with you.

>>641512
I don't know about Cthulhu, but all are one in Yog-Sothoth.

Chii > EVERYTHING ELSE

Chii is god tier

>>641519

Too bad you forgot those.

>>641519
but she's only like 1 billion million times stronger than Belldandy. also, love > power levels

>>641477
Type-MERCURY.
No, it doesn't have lines.

>>641477

Both. ORT would canonically destroy the universe if it awakened. It is, above all else, the most powerful being in the Nasuverse.

>>641477
Killing it is a different story altogether.

Wasn't there talk of Nasu's big new idea wherein ORT creates a living doll in the shape of a human and momentarily transfers its consciousness into it in a attempt to observe them?

>>641672
So as to be seduced by the gland?

>>641672

Holy shit. That's actually an awesome idea. And he has a UFO form. Fucking epic.

>>641672
Yeah, I want my VN where ORT is the main character and she takes form as a (magical) highschool girl in order to observe the human world. Includes sexual exploration and fights against other DAs.

>>641655
the other types would like to have a word with you

>>641672
This is pathetic if this is actually one of Nasu's big new ideas.

>>641692

The Moon has the only other Type and only Earth and Mars have consciousness.

>>641688
Bad ends involve ORT just saying "fuck it" and killing everyone?

>>641704
Normal End - ORT goes back to sleep
Bad End - ORT awakens her main body and begins the extermination
Good End - ORT falls in love and end up with a guy. (could be human or not)
Yuri End - Same as good end except with a female.
Best End - ORT forms a harem of her own.

zomg gil and saber should just get together and kill everything

ULTIMATE H4X SHIELD PLUS ULTIMATE H4X WEAPON

>>641688

Doesn't work because ORT is canonically male. Or Nasu referred to it casually as such, so it's technically an "it" but it's leaning more towards male. Yeah.

Besides, it wouldn't work as an h-game if it was a girl.

>>641727
>it wouldn't work as an h-game if it was a girl.
What?

>>641403
Damn, you blind white nigger.
LERN2REED.
>Shiki (Rakkyo), Shiki (Tsukihime) are no match for Servants....

Also, what the fuck is "Shiki (Rakkyo)"?

>>641722
....................

>>641739
Why would you want a game based on how many dicks you can get to fuck you? That'd be a terribly easy game.

You see an unknown boy. He is tall and etc.

"Hey **blush**"
"Wanna fuck?"

That's it. For like every male h-game ever. Never mind how I don't want to read about how good a dick feels inside me.

It said Shiki would be no match for excalibur, Can Shirou not project exaclibur aswell as avalon?!

>>641722

Now is the perfect time to mention that one epic Black Knight Berserker Lancelot guy's “Black Hole” technique. Prepare for copypasta.

"We have BKBL simultaneously wield Avalon and Enûma Elish, and we get him to smash them together, thus forming a Black Hole due to the absolutely conflicting natures of the two Noble Phantasms. This divides by zero and forms a singularity, among other things, and forms a black hole, most likely miniature. We then have BKBL wield said Black Hole. This moment of immense badassness will allow us to automatically win the war."

And then, to top is all off, that guy's "Anonymous" technique.

"We, as in most of Anonymous, collectively summon BKBL, magically equipping him Rank A Battle Continuation and have the left over members summon a “Thief” class Servant. We, using our massive numbers, pump BKBL full of Mana, allowing him to function at the highest power possible. The Thief would then be commanded to steal the Noble Phantasms of other characters, giving them to BKBL for his use. In this way, Anonymous would almost definitely win the Holy Grail War, and our wish would be to turn all of Anonymous, even the dead ones, into Gods so that we could make Earth our 4chan."

This is why BKBL is the greatest, most powerful Servant in existence.

>>641761

Excalibur yes but it takes longer than usual and take fucking forever outside of UBW. Shiki would have the time to kill him.

Shirou can't trace Avalon. Avalon =/= sword.

>>641739

Why would you want how you're fucked described to you? Are you a tremendous faggot or something?

>>641760

How is it worse than reading about how your dick feels inside of someone else?

>>641760
I wouldn't want have a dick in me either, but reading about how it feels would be incredibly interesting, especially from a girl's point of view.

>>641781
Why would you want how you're fucking described to you? Are you a tremendous faggot or something?

>>641774
>Shirou can't trace Avalon. Avalon =/= sword.
read fate route's last day again

>>641785

Okay then. Fag.

>>641784
>>641795

Too entirely different situations. So you like getting fucking in the vagina? Oh, wait-.

>>641826

>>fucked

>>641826
You're very insecure, aren't you?

>>641481
I think what he's saying is Arc's base strength is less than Gil's but her power gets augments by the earth to levels equal to or greater than her opponent.

>>641727
What? I thought Nasu said it was more of a female.

Nasu is pulling shit out of his ass...Ryougi can kill gods FFS, and shes supposedly only ciel class? Ciel is WEAK, she has no h4x at all ever since her immortality got removed.

>>641867

0/10

Seriously though, it'd just make Nasu's writing completely unfappable. It'd be pointless to even have sex scenes since you wouldn't be able to get even one fap out of them.

Anyway, this is all beside the point since it's already been said that above all ORT is more masculine than feminine to Nasu himself.

Gil is only powerful because he has a weapon that can slice the world into half when it is fully charged. Otherwise he is just a weaker than average Heroic Spirit.

>>641826
Did he just say getting fucking?

>>641914
He's not weaker than average, he has high stats he just doesn't have the actual skill needed to go head-to-head with badasses like Saber.

>>641910
>Nasu's writing completely unfappable.
It isn't already? You seriously masturbate to that shit? What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>641928
Mollusk sex is VERY arousing.

>>641932

EXACTLY.

>>641928
The Akiha dream scene in Tsukihime got me hard.

That was really about it.

>>641936

See? Some people enjoy getting raped.

Fuck you faggots

>>641914
Gil is not only powerful because of that, He is ARCHER class for a reason he isn't meant to go fight head to head like saber(but he still can), He could fight an army of servants just with GoB(and he did in Fate/Zero) ...

>>641936
Akiha acting like Akiha? FUCK YEAH!

>>641953

>>641936
If you choose Hisui for the dream scene, the morning after is a hell of a lot funnier.

This Topic is awesome.

>>641982

For Arc you get to drop the hint that you want to fuck her and it's all her fault regardless.

Oh man this still goes on?

>>641982
Fuckin' A! "The smallness of someones chest or the wideness of someones forehead"

Also, choosing Kohaku ... fuck, I never tried that one before. Jesus that's scary. Also explains some of the Kohaku doujins...

> "If powers are at max and we ignore the point of self-destruction caused from overflow then Shiki will win
> SHIKI WILL WIN
bye bye powerlevel discussions
kinoko agreed, don't bother him about it.

>>641947
No. It's been made clear that many Servants can block GoB, and it wouldn't have done shit against Rider's army. (Or even against Rider himself, Gil had to chain him up first.)

>>642342
If you ignore the point of self destruction.

Real fights don't work that way.

OFFICIAL

NEKO ARC CAN BEAT ALL THE SERVANTS AT ONCE BY HERSELF

BEEEMU MOTHERFUCKERS

this thread is bad and all of you should feel bad.

PS. read fuyuki wiki already

>>643771
Your post was bad and you should FEEL bad.

>>643778

This thread is an eyesore.

Disappear.

This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadThis threadTHIS THREADTHIS THREADTHIS THREADTHIS THREADTHIS THREADTHIS THREADTHIS THREADTHIS THREADTHIS THREADTHIS THREAD

>>641889
The point is about Fighting ability.
Shiki (Tohno) can kill Arc, but do you seriously think he can properly beat her?

>>643787
THREADTHIS THREADTHIS

>>641774
Rho Aias isn't a sword either and Shirou can trace that.
Also play Fate.