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Kihihihihihihi! OP should get on Beato's magic school bus

No, but leave and go read it before the spoiler.

>Beato trolling.

Yeah, that was annoying.

Just read on, then you find out she wasn't trolling at all.

Don't worry, OP. I felt the same. I was ACTUALLY thinking beato was a nice person!

Nope. Witches never get in a pinch!~

I'LL SHOW YOU WHO IS THE BOSS OF THIS GAME.

I never got why people raged over this. Did people seriously start fall for her acting?

Though, I di have to say Ryukishi did that better then Nisioisin did in Zaregoto. Ii-chan's twist during that chick's death just made me sick and almost drop the book from how big it was. It was obvious there was something wrong butif he was going to do something like that do it in a way that doesn't put off some people.

>>6386540
At first it was believable but I couldn't really feel that it was real and thenshe was going to deny her own existence TROLOLO

>>6386466

>>6386570

Just wait till episode 5 op, for more rageworthy stuff.

>I threw my keyboard at my monitor

Are you 16?

>>6386466

Ep3 was the best Umineko Ep. I want to forget everything that came afterwards and be stuck at the beginning of Ep4 forever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwM3cUJKkuE

I miss the trolling Beato. Nice Beato is shit, you will know when you have nice Beato 24/7.

>>6386660
>Ep3 was the best Umineko Ep. I want to forget everything that came afterwards and be stuck at the beginning of Ep4 forever.

this
aside of the fact that i love and accept everything up to EP5

>>6386719
Yeah... I kinda miss seeing this face every 3 lines.

Battler has too much pride デス

>>6386734

me too. That trollface is legendary

>>6386466
Episode 4 won't make you rage that much, just yawn at how much screentime Ange takes up.

Episode 5 and 6 on the other hand.....let's just say that there's a good reason Erika is the most popular character outside of the Beato/Battler pair...

>>6386734
Yeah. And for some reason, the PS3 version loses its charm.

>>6386749
What I love about Erika is that she can go from comic relief to HOLY FUCK WHAT in less than 5 sentences flat.

As much as I love what Beato pulls in Ep3, it doesn't compare to KYRIE CAN NOT SAVE BATTLER and everything after that in Ep6.

>>6386594

>rageworthy

Show respect to the most beautiful and powerful witch in the universe.

>>6386758

I hate Erika. I would fuck her, but I hate the bitch.

>>6386466
Nah, Umineko is basically shit after EP3. Not worth playing further.

>>6386751

Ryukishis art may be hilariously bad, but atleast it isn't generic animu art. George is supposed to be fat and beatos trollface isn't the same.

>>6386767
The only character worth hating is Yasu.
Erika should be praised for not buying in that whore pity trip shit.

>>6386767
You like Bern, your opinion is invalid.

Episode 3 is my favorite too, but the 4 came after. I understand that some people don't like all the stuff about Maria and Ange, but I personally like it. The tea party was disapointing though.

>>6386795
>Erika should be praised for not buying in that whore pity trip shit.

Not surprising from an intellectual rapist.

Episode 3 is the best episode because it was when things started to make sense and you still had some hope that R07 was going to deliver a good plot.
After that only shippers and TROLLING WITCHES SO AWESOME XD could be happy with the following episodes.

>>6386758

Don't forget the EP7 tea party. Bern fucking Ange over was epic. Also KYRIE TIME!

>>6386827
What with Beato reforming(lol) and Erika disintegrating there's no one left to really hate in Umineko.

Witches just be doing things for lulz and Battler says that there's no bad people on the island. I almost wish RIFLE SHOOTAN & FACE POUNDING Kyrie really was the culprit.

How did Rudolph know he was going to die in episode 1? Did I miss something important or will this be explained in the episodes after episode 3.

>>6386867
It hasn't been explained yet, and typically Rudolf isn't the focus long enough to give any hints since he's one of the first ones dead a lot of the time.

>>6386867
Rudolf was about to tell Battler that Kyrie is his real mom.
Given how batshit Kyrie is, she would go nuclear on him.

Why do I always read spoilers when I know I will be spoiled?
Fuck.

Man I miss Erika.

Anyone else feel the same way?eu

>>6386853
I hope she is.

>>6386900
>Given how batshit Kyrie is, she would go nuclear on him.

I would love to see this.

>>6386911
I do but she's my waifu so I see her everyday.

Anyone else really miss Erika?

>>6386918
It's official. Kyrie is BOMB. Rudolf is PONY. Yasu is PHONE.

Hey, I've been wondering.... Is it still possible for Yasu to be 18th Person X, i.e. the Beatrice of the Pony Theory?

I mean, a lot of what we were told in Ep7 was clearly either bullshit or embellished, so...

>>6386936

I want my Erika back, fuck everyone else.

>>6386762
you mean Featherine?

>>6386936
yes, everyone wants Erika back

>>6386959
Ryu said EP7 was the end of the mystery.

>>6386981

Yeah, my ass. That may be the case for people who actually understand what's going on, but only Ryukishi seems to. Hell, he was the one that uploaded the Taiwan theory to the Internet in the first place.

There's a couple of flashbacks at the very end of Ep7 that prove that things we were told during the game were completely untrue, and furthermore, there's only like two lines of red in the entire game.

Ryukishi is challenging us directly here. How much can we trust him? Can we trust him not to lie at this point, so close to the end?

He's lied consistently in interviews from the very beginning, first with the suggestion that the game is unsolvable, then with Erika 'not being a bad person', then with George and Shannon loving one another...

>>6386974

I don't.

>>6387000
oh you...

also i want crying Bern

>>6386999
dear Anon. What do you mean by saying he uploaded Taiwan theory himself?

>>6386981
So who is the culprit? The Yasu gang?

>>6387012

The original video explaining the Taiwan theory was uploaded to Nico^2 by a user whose name is a clear derivative of "07". Or something, I don't remember the specifics.

>>6386999
>There's a couple of flashbacks at the very end of Ep7 that prove that things we were told during the game were completely untrue
Mind to give me an example?
>there's only like two lines of red in the entire game.
You can use the white text to solve the whole fucking mess, that was a clear point in EP7.

>>6387015

If Bern is to be believed, Kyrie and Rudolf were the real culprits.

However, we still don't know a) who Amakusa and Hachijou really are, b) who organizes the fake deaths and why, c) the circumstance of Battler's birth, and d) why he's so protective of the person who set in motion the events that killed his family.

Mystery is over my ass.

>>6387015
Yasu engineered that clusterfuck but Kyrie and Rudolf pretty much killed everyone

>>6387039
>Mind to give me an example?

I haven't played the game myself, but there were supposedly flashbacks that suggested a) that Kinzo was responsible for the conflict over the gold, b) that Nazitrice never loved him, and c) that Yasu hated his life and the people that forced him into living it.

>You can use the white text to solve the whole fucking mess

That's what we're told, yeah. We're also told in Ep4 that words that aren't in red can't be trusted.

Ryukishi hates us.

>>6387042
>However, we still don't know a) who Amakusa and Hachijou really are

they are who they are, i wouldnt expect anything regarding them if i was you

I thought it was fucking genius. One of the most epic moments of trolling ever.

>>6387058
You haven't played the game, opinion denied.
Episode 7 solved everything neatly in its own clusterfuck crappy way.
Kinzo children were competitive, it was always obvious.
Italian Beatrice was kinda forced in the whole relationship but she did have feelings for Kinzo.
And Yasu was just doing its own PITY ME FOR NOT HAVING A DEATH after learning the truth from Kinzo and Genji, nobody forced him/her to live, it was just that s/he blamed them for saving its life when s/he fell from the cliff.

>>6387081
>Episode 7 solved everything neatly in its own clusterfuck crappy way.

No. If it did we wouldn't be having an Ep8, let alone one with choices and multiple endings.

>>6387066

Amakusa I'll give you (despite his connection to the Sumaderas and his strong resemblance to Battler) but Hachijou simply knows far too much to NOT be someone other than who she appears. She's either someone who was on the island or being fed information from someone who was on the island.

>>6387112
Episode 8 will have choices?

>>6387112
By solving everything I mean everything about Beatrice and the mystery of Rokkenjima.
Clair said it, Will said it, R07 said it and an attentive reader would also know it's true.

>>6387081
things i would take for granted from episode 7:

>Kinzo is crazy rapist
>whatever Yasu is, it had crappy childhood
>Gold is Nazi gold
>Kyrie and Rudolf CAN become killers

all of the the rest is the subject to change because the author is Ryukishi.
Im scared of what EP8 will be tbh

>>6387127
>whatever Yasu is, it had crappy childhood
Except not really.

>>6387125

Supposedly, yeah.

>>6387126

It solved everything about Beatrice, yes. I highly doubt it answered everything about the mystery of Rokkenjima, especially since Will's 'solutions' to the mysteries were all so vague.

>>6387127
>Im scared of what EP8 will be tbh

I'm more excited. I want a super-huge last minute twist so I can feel like Umineko was worth reading.

>>6387146
R07 said from the beginning that the answers to the various closed rooms and shit would be vague.
And for good reason considering they are just fictional and therefore irrelevant anyways.

>>6387146
>I'm more excited. I want a super-huge last minute twist so I can feel like Umineko was worth reading.
Prepare to be disappointed. Fucking Yasu. I wish he/she/it didn't exist.

>>6387112
Amakusa.. if he resembles someone, he is similiar to Kyrie and Kasumi for me, not to Battler.
And with Tohya, if you dont want to accept that she is simply Auaurora and knows it because she knows, you will be just left to wonder forever

>>6387175
>And with Tohya, if you dont want to accept that she is simply Auaurora and knows it because she knows, you will be just left to wonder forever
You still believe in magic? Really?

>>6387173
i wish Hachijou Tohya and her 'herpderp im the author" didnt exist so 95% of the fandom wasnt all "everything is fiction guise! "
ehh...life was so awesome before ep6

>>6387167
>irrelevant
>we spent the first four games trying to puzzle them out

Yeah, sure. I don't appreciate being told all my efforts were for NOTHING.

>>6387175
>And with Tohya, if you dont want to accept that she is simply Auaurora and knows it because she knows

That's fucking stupid. Magic isn't real and therefore there has to be some logical explanation for her knowledge of events.

If we're left with HERP DERP BECAUSE MAGIC, I... I don't even know.

>>6387190
magic isnt something you believe in. it just is.
no i don't mean summoning towers and battles with flashy swords in our sad 2d reality, but things like higher beings and higher planes of existance are totally normal. even more so if this is in a game somebody wrote.

>That's fucking stupid. Magic isn't real and therefore there has to be some logical explanation for her knowledge of events.

If we're left with HERP DERP BECAUSE MAGIC, I... I don't even know.

yeah this is the most sad. This story started as a duel between how magic could have been responsible and how human could have been responsible for some event and two people fighting with each other whose version will win. It was never about disproving magic or about finding human culprit, but it ended up with everyone hating and labeling as impossible everything that has even slightly supernatural touch to it.
i don't think Ryuukishi ever intended that

people should calm the fuck down

>>6387173
>Fucking Yasu. I wish he/she/it didn't exist.
There is your last minute twist.

>>6387247
>never about disproving magic
>blue text

Sure, you keep on believing that.

Furthermore, even if higher beings like Lambda and Bern actually exist, there's no way they can affect reality in such a meaningful way as writing a bestselling series of mystery novels.

Hachijou is someone important. I'm betting Asumu.

>>6387251

BUH.

That's too good for words. But then, who was phone?

Sometimes I think half of the Umineko fandom didn't read the vns. How can someone read it and not get the whole magic thing, for example.

>>6387261
>But then, who was phone?
Hi there!
you wanted some BS twist, dont you?

>>6387274

That referring to me or >>6387247 ?

>>6387279

Ah. Wouldn't that just be lovely.

Well, what I REALLY want is a scene where Battler sits everyone down, accuses everyone BUT the real culprit in turn, and then points to the true mastermind.

Love those scenes in golden age novels. Love them.

>>6387287
I meant >>6387247

>>6387274
A big part of the Umineko fandom really doesn't care about the plot so they just ignore all the big heavy hints and the obvious thematic.
They only care about shipping and trolling witches.
Kind of funny but they are also pretty much the only ones satisfied with Umineko, maybe they are right to be it like

>>6387259
well...blue text was just a tool Battler used. And yes, Battler's approach to the game was totally anti-fantasy at the begining. but then he understood its wrong,

there's no way they can affect reality in such a meaningful way as writing a bestselling series of mystery novels.

maybe not, but whats stopping them from taking human forms and rewriting reality so they always existed in it?

>>6387274

because maybe some poeple look at things with different angle? All of the magic in Umineko can be perfectly explained by the real magic without breaking any human norms and without making it a fantasy. All of it. It perfectly coexist with a mystery and never endangers it. There is absolutely no reason to throw it away because its "lol magic therefore cannot exist xD"

but well, whatever. i just want to know what EP8 brings in

>>6387332

The purpose of blue text is to deny things. You've played Ep5, right?

>maybe not, but whats stopping them from taking human forms and rewriting reality so they always existed in it?

...

Way to completely miss the point.

>>6387350
>The purpose of blue text is to deny things. You've played Ep5, right?
wasnt it known from EP4?

>>6387362

Yeah, but Ep5 is the first time we see people other than Battler and Ange using it.

>>6387279
I miss moon-chan. I had my heart fully set on that for like, five months.

>>6387293
Yup. Everyone who knows the truth think Yasu, and by extension, Beatrice, Shannon, and Kanon are full of shit.

>>6387385

It's not denied yet.

What better way to hide the real culprit than by pretending to deny them outright at some point? Agatha Christie made a living off that for years.

Umineko is more or less set with Yasu as the culprit.

The very most we can get is some twist with Jessica at the end, because Kyrie was a loser.

>>6387391
Except by Clair, Will and R07 when they said that the mystery had been solved.
BUT IT WASN'T SAID IN RED, FUCKING LAST MINUTE TWIST BEST VN EVER.

>>6387396

"I'm going to say the most vague things possible in order to kill you, Claire."

"THE MYSTERY HAS BEEN SOLVED!"

Also, taking anything 07 says at face value is stupid, like I brought up earlier.

>>6387409
Understanding what R07 has been going for SINCE THE FUCKING BEGINNING isn't stupid, expecting a last minute twist is fucking retarded though.

And the vague shit was only for the various closed rooms BUT R07 CLEARLY SAID THAT HE WOULD NEVER SOLVE THEM DIRECTLY SINCE HE DIDN'T WANT TO SPOONFEED THE READERS.
And it's not like the closed rooms are hard to solve, they are all fucking easy when you know the big plot device

I wouldn't be too surprised if Ryu goes for Jessica Culprit at this point.

I hope he does something along those lines, because the only two other options are stupid.

Either Yasu just did it because lolYasu, or some sort of Paramilitary ACCIDENT end.

Both suck ass.

rage rage rage rage

>>6387423
>I wouldn't be too surprised if Ryu goes for Jessica Culprit at this point.
That would be fun, even if I already like the Kyrie and Rudolf duo.

>>6387420
you dont need to use caps lock

>>6387420
>they are all fucking easy when you know the big plot device

What, Yashkanzotrice? Sure, but even that doesn't explain some of the rooms, even the ones that Will 'outlined'. Also, we STILL haven't directly heard mention of the Fake Death Conspiracy, as obvious as that is.

I just don't think we're done with some of the closed rooms yet. We can't answer everything with Shyasukangaaptriceasuzo.

>>6387423
>I wouldn't be too surprised if Ryu goes for Jessica Culprit at this point.

I know, just think.

Jessica is Yasu's best friend and possibly lover. Who else would be in the perfect position to manipulate him or her?

>>6387452
>but even that doesn't explain some of the rooms
Which ones?

And once again, everything about Beatrice had been solved, if someone was manipulating her we would have had some fucking HINTS already, at the very least.
Nothing, Jessica is only shown as an innocent girl, episode 7 shows it even more clearly than the other episodes.

>>6387467
>Which ones?

The ones that comes most closely to mind are the final closed rooms in Ep2, and Nanjo's murder in Ep3.

The former is unsolvable unless a) George did it, or b) an outside person was involved, and the latter isn't even mentioned by Will.

>if someone was manipulating her we would have had some fucking HINTS already, at the very least

We do. There's plenty if you know where to look.

>Jessica is only shown as an innocent girl

My ass. No one in Umineko is innocent.

>>6386475
My face when Beato's school bus.jpg hs become a meme

>>6387467
>Jessica is only shown as an innocent girl, episode 7 shows it even more clearly than the other episodes.

She always looked pretty suspicious to me to be honest. Ep7 was no exception but I read it with ATLAS so I can´t be really sure. There was this one scene where I though she might have been mocking Shannon for waiting for Battler, for example.

Man, after spoilers for 7, I find myself not giving a fuck. I haven't even gone to download it yet even though some of the translation is out. Anyone else in this boat?

>>6387488
>The ones that comes most closely to mind are the final closed rooms in Ep2
Yasu killed George and then killed herself.

>Nanjo's murder in Ep3.
Yasu did it, Shannon and Kanon's murders are confirmed as illusion after all.
And no there is absolutely no serious hints that Jessica is manipulating Yasu, which would be doubly stupid considering that Yasu whole deal was to leave everything to fate without favoring anyone.

>>6387518
She was just having a normal talk for a teenager, nowhere did she mock Shannon or anything.

>Yasu whole deal was to leave everything to fate without favoring anyone.
Then who was phone?
Seriously. Who abducted Krauss in Ep5 and called Natsuhi if it wasn't Yasu?

>>6387541
>Yasu killed George and then killed herself.

Impossible. Who shot Yasu in the forehead and then drove the stake into the hole?

Not Yasu.

>Yasu whole deal was to leave everything to fate without favoring anyone

But was that Yasu's idea?

>>6387532

I stopped posting on the AS board just because of Ep7 spoilers. I originally no longer saw any point in caring, but now... well, things are changing.

>>6387532
I was on this boat from the very beginning.
Hell, I should star selling tickets to you guys.

>>6387541

>Yasu killed George and then killed herself.

Battler meets Beato later, more like Yasu kills one more personality. After all Shannon likes to play dead.

>>6387569

Well, no, that would have been Yasu. It wasn't really Yasu, because that was a story, but that's the role Yasu always plays.

What are you trying to get at here?

>>6387578

Shannon had a hole in her head. Battler even saw it.

Someone else killed the people in that room. Maybe someone else who could pretend to be Beatrice?

>>6387581
I think what he means is that it isn't much impartial and up to fate if she goes around kidnapping people and all that.

>>6387593

It could be make-up, you know, Yasu's supah amazing cosplay skills.
Rosa didn't let Battler touch Shannon too much to have definitive proof she was dead or not.

>>6387598

Ah, I see. And it isn't impartial if he trolls Battler over the phone, either. Hmm.

>>6387603

He saw what was left of her brain. You can't fake that with makeup.

>>6387593
Jessica was confirmed dead by Will you know.
Don't even try

>>6387578
Battler gave up, the game had ended when he met Beato.
It was all magic all the time.

>>6387575
>But was that Yasu's idea?
Yes it was, of course we shouldn't believe Will and Clair because last minute troll, right?

I don't even know why I even try to argue with people like you, you are completely delusional.

>>6387640

George is responsible for that room, then. Either way, it's not Yasu.

>>6387654

We know Yasu's identity. We still do not understand his motivations.

I just can't see Battler protecting to that extent someone who wanted to kill his family for basically nothing more than demented lulz.

>>6387389
I loved Episode 7 and I'm quite satisfied with the answers regarding the mystery Beatrice. I'm sympathetic to Yasu, too. Oh well.

>>6387723
>I just can't see Battler protecting to that extent someone who wanted to kill his family for basically nothing more than demented lulz.

hahahahahahaha

>>6387981

Sadly you are one of the few who does. I don't know if it is because you actually read the episode unlike many or what

>>6388002
I'm one of those who was "fuck this series to tell if Shkanontrice is true" pre-ep7, and then "what the hell this is actually....... good" during/post-ep7.

I can totally admit that, going off of spoilers, tons of things about EP7 come across as witch-on-head retarded, but I honestly thought it was the best episode when actually reading it.

I am just going to once again note the fact that E7 is what gives Jessica the whole motive. Yasu practically stole her life plus Jessica had the only single real horrible childhood here, etc.

The problem I am having is that apparently we are the only part OF THE WHOLE UMINEKO FANDOM who takes Moon-chan even borderline seriously - japs have little to no theories
PLEASE DO NOT MAKE UMINEKO INTO CODE GEASS OF VN SIR DRAGONKNIGHT

>>6387723
>We know Yasu's identity. We still do not understand his motivations.
We are supposed to know its motivation, the episode made it clear.
You are just in disbelief

>>6388022
Your kind is rare.
Yasu is pretty hated in Japan and they also laugh at the stupidity of the whole crossdressing everywhere shit.
Episode 7 is liked mostly for the tea party, and really only for the Bern part Kyrie/Rudolf don't seem to be well liked as villains, and WillxLeon is so kawai uguu for the fangirls.

>>6388270
>Kyrie/Rudolf don't seem to be well liked as villains
It really grew on me. I like it now. It's a bit hard having Kyrie murdering kids in cold blood but oh well, someone has to do it.

>WillxLeon is so kawai uguu for the fangirls.
Not at all. They are both really likeable characters.

>>6387648
Except there were parts still narrated by Battler, and oddly enough the parts where Kinzo talks are NOT narrated from Battler's POV.

Episode 7: Requiem of the Golden Witch

* Translation: 34% Editing: 20%

>>6388270
>Yasu is pretty hated in Japan

What have you formulated this opinion from? My encounters with Japanese fandom show them to be either be neutral to or in favor of Yasu.

Regarding western fandom right now its only here in 4chan I notice Yasu hate. Then again it may change when the full patch is released..

>>6388270
>Kyrie/Rudolf don't seem to be well liked as villains

No surprise there.

Why doesn't Natsuhi get trolled more often? Episode 5 made it obvious she's an even easier target than Battler.

>>6387569
>>Seriously. Who abducted Krauss in Ep5 and called Natsuhi if it wasn't Yasu?
What if Krauss was never abducted? It was never said in red Krauss was abducted, only his death was. Natsuhi was under the impression he was abducted, yes, but is there any truth in that?

>>6388242

I understand that we're handed a certain motivation, but it's retarded and doesn't make sense with what we've been given so far.

Besides, if everything is solved, why do we even have Ep8?

>>6389777
Everything to do with Beatrice is solved. What remains is being informed of everything else, and seeing what sort of end is in store for all the characters.

>>6389796

What end is in store? They're all dead. We already knew that. We've known that since Ep4.

YES ANON RAGE!!!!
SO YOU'LL BAWW AND CRY AGAIN WHEN YOU SEE THIS SCENE.

That feel when you watched the anime first and didn't feel a thing when that happened.

>>6389855
this pic. rage a captcha

>>6389855
>>6389859
Key melodrama shit

>>6389859
>>6389855
Not rage, but just despair

>>6389884
key is more like baww i has magical alternative to cancer!!! it is sad!

umineko is more like OMFG WHY DID I EVER NOT TRUST HER!!!! IT WAS ALL MY FAULT!

>>6389896
i did say tears.

ARE YOU SU RE YOU WANT TO DO THAT ANO N?

>>6388270
>Yasu is pretty hated in Japan
Cite sources? 2ch is confused, not full of loathing. Trust me, there is a difference between when 2ch fucking hates something and when they don't know what to make of something.
Everyone I've seen qualify their opinions puts EP7 about on par with EP3. I'm sure there were some that disliked it, but the reaction to EP6 was a lot more frustrated and negative from what I remember reading.

It's obvious what's happening in this game. Beato's trolling everyone pretending to be weak. At the end she'll rip up Bern and Lambda and taunt Battler for trusting her again after acting like he's immune.

>>6390608
Impossible. Not R07 style.

>>6390619
It's Beato's style. It's exactly what I would've done. The idiot's pretending he'll never be fooled again. No way I could let that pass.

>>6390608
>>6390626
There's one tiny problem: Battler's already figured out the truth. And the lyrics for many Umineko-related songs, which have always been very spoilerish, support the current ideas of Beato.

>>6390636
He "supposedly" figured it out.

>>6388743
>>6390571
Echoing these anons, I'd say most reactions I've seen are just sort of confused regarding Yasu, not hateful. The response to EP7 seems generally positive, I've also seen the comparisons to EP3 in terms of quality, and people really liked Will and Lion. Though of course there are, as always, some haters.

>>6390626
But Battler's not involved in this episode. Who's she trolling for trusting her, Will?

>>6390746

Will IS Battler, bro. They're the same character, just being played by different people.

>>6390760

No. He's not. Like there are theories about connections and Battler's possibly influence on Will as a fantasy character, but the ep repeats over and over and over that Will is a total outsider and that he's not Battler.

>>6390765

And I bet that's just Hachijou being ham-handed again.

He's in the role of the detective and the observer, which was Battler's role in Yasu's stories and the role Hachijou had him adopt up until Ep5.

They have similar personalities and even end up having a similar relationship with Yasu.

So yeah, same character, different people. If that makes sense.

>>6390768
>He's in the role of the detective and the observer, which was Battler's role in Yasu's stories and the role Hachijou had him adopt up until Ep5.

So Erika is also Battler? Ange functions as the observer and investigator in the 1998 sequences. She's Battler too because it's a similar role?

>They have similar personalities and even end up having a similar relationship with Yasu.

What? They have completely different personalities and their connection to Yasu is also totally different. The only commonality is that they're both sympathetic to her, and they have completely different reasons for that. When Will is fighting for Yasu, there is no hint or indication whatsoever that he's driven by being a reflection of Battler. It's actually the opposite, if anything.

>So yeah, same character, different people. If that makes sense.

It really doesn't. You can say they're parallels to an extent, but definitely not the same character, especially if you're trying to argue that "Beato trolling Will is the same thing as trolling Battler." Again, the ep actually goes out of its way to point out that Will is NOT Battler.

>>6390571
Futaba mostly, and some blog reviews as well.
Believe me, I may have been a bit strong with "hated" but I have yet to see a positive view of her and her plot anywhere.

Episode 7 was generally liked but it was once again mostly due to WillxLeon and what happened in the tea party with Will's last stand and shit.
Yasu is either just considered as a big bad joke or ignored altogether, it really make it seem like what is left of the fandom really doesn't care about the plot anymore.

You know what I think?

I think that if Jessica is the culprit and it all makes sense the way E7 makes sense, if one of the choices in E7 would be "do you trust me?" and the ending will be the exact same thing written in different lights depending on that, Umineko is going to be an actual deconstruction of mystery novel genre and a great work of art on par with Golden Age novels even.

If Battler is 'just' Amakusa who fled from the island and went Anon, Hachijou is 'just' Asumu who reconnected with him because she is not dead and lol it's all inside Yasu head and papers including Metabattler who is also Yasu's vision of Battler, then this is pretty much utter garbage.

All that while both at once is propably what is going to happen.

>>6390848
>if one of the choices in E8 would be "do you trust me?"

Mighty fuck that'd be awesome.

The choices thing is really selling me on Ep8. Should be really fun.

>>6390848
>if Jessica is the culprit
As much as I like the idea, it would be quite far-fetched after EP7. Jessica is pretty much incapable of murder and is oblivious to the whole Yasu show.
EP7 was the merciless truth, EP8 is going to be the solution with THE HEART.

>>6390811

When you think about this its no wonder Hachijo (aka Ryu) talked shit about her fans

>>6390956
His fault for writing such a trainwreck of a plot.

Its just depressing that one of the most hated theory had to be the solution. I also dislike the way the Ryukishi constantly tries to make Yasu's all symphatethic and a tragic character as if we HAVE to sympatise with her and not condemn her for willing and planning to commit massmurder.

From other posts:

>Yasu is the culprit
>Yasu is batshit crazy
>Hachijo is Ryuukishi's avatar

ITT people that don't actually read the series and/or don't pay attention at all.

Or haven't actually read Ep7 and are basing impressions off spoilers.

>>6391010
>Implying Yasu isn't insane.

>>6391010

People call kyrie Batshit insane when in the EP7 Tea party she was actually cool, collected and rational. Just because you go around killing people doesn't make you a crazy lunatic.

>>6391010
Yasu is the culprit though. At least, in what our idea of culprit originally was, the person behind the murders in the episodes. Yasu is the culprit in episodes 1-4, but they're also just stories and not real murders.

>>6391010
Yasu IS the culprit, it's repeated several times in episode 7.
Kyrie and Rudolf are just incidental murderers, it's also stated that any other parent could have done the same thing they did given the right circumstances.

And planning to murder 15 or so people isn't a good sign of sanity to me.

>>6391025
>it's also stated that any other parent could have done the same thing they did given the right circumstances.
where is this stated

>>6391028

Not that anon but I reallt think that Rosa would have done the same thing (minus killing Maria) If it wasn't for the fact that she wasn't fast enough

>>6391028
after the whole thing happens. I'll guess you'll understand once you read, because it really was a situation where anything could've happened, everyone was full to the brim with adrenaline and nervousness and that's not nice when everyone has guns in their hands.
Eva and Hideyoshi made the first step (you can argue whether intentionally or by accident, since it's really suspicious but it could happen), everyone followed, Kyrie capitalized on the occasion.

>>6391034

Pretty much. I mean It was obvious that the moment Eva and Rosa were holding guns and heatedly arguing at each other in such a fashion you know someone was going to get killed again. Even if Kyrie didn't start shooting

>>6391034
I have read it, but I don't remember such a thing being stated. Stated =/= implied.

>>6390811
Everyone I've seen that is remotely upset or annoyed by the revelations of EP7 has usually added the disclaimer that the episode as a whole was good. Not just Will and Lion. Not just the Tea Party.
The only frustration I've seen on 2ch is from people that have trouble figuring out Yasu's motive. I haven't seen people hating on her. In fact, it's the opposite. She's gotten some serious discussion and some serious pity in several threads, one of them pointing out how shitty everyone really was to her when you break it down. Even the Beatofags that were upset were upset because Beato's situation seemed so miserable that it upset them, not because they hated Yasu with a fiery passion. The most you can say is that people that don't like her ignore her.

Okay, I just checked. Of all the things that could be considered "anti-threads" on 2ch there are only two. One of them, the most popular one, is an anti-Bern and Erika thread, for people that hate those two characters, individually or both. The other is a thread for people that like Higurashi, but hate Umineko. That barely has a little over three hundred replies and has been around for a _year_. In a place where angry fans can make anti-threads in tens of thousands of posts when they get upset by a plot development or a new game, I really find it hard to believe that "Japan hates EP7."

>>6391402
The other guy never said that Japan hated episode 7.

>>6391402
>trouble figuring out Yasu's motive.
Which is?
I keep reading different things about it.

>>6391402
I just checked the current thread in 2ch.
I see no pity for Yasu, I did see some people treating her of slut though.
Also saw posts about how lots of people were disappointed with "BeaBato" due to Beato true figure and ran away to Willleo.

Basically you are full of shit

>>6391432
I just checked it myself. Most recent conversation is bitching about Jessicafags. The discussion thread is talking about Nappi's actions in regards to the letter she got in EP1. The thread of Ryukishi's two works in general is discussing Rena.

I really have no idea what you're talking about.

>>6391402
I want to note that yes, while the Bern/Will/Lion part of the Tea Party was great and the one of the high points of the episode (no shit, it's obviously meant to be the climax), it's not actually that long. Will's last stand is actually pretty short. So it doesn't make sense to me to say that that alone is responsible for the generally positive response to ep7 - basically everyone also agrees that Rosa-Musou in Ep2 was an amazing scene and climax for the ep, it was enough to make Rosa stupidly popular five episodes after it happened, but it sure didn't make Ep2 more liked in general or make people say "Ep2 was good".

>>6391548
WillxLeo in general, which is present during the entire episode, is the main reason for the positive comments for this episode.
Go read the various reviews in EGS and see for yourself for example.

>>6391432
I looked. Just people talking/complaining about motive again in an exaggerated way. Don't see anything worse about Yasu that other characters don't get.

>>6391559
WillxLion is the highlight but that doesn't mean everyone hated Yasu. Yasu's part was the main part of the game. If people hated her they would hate the game or be so-so on it if they liked WillxLion more than they hated Yasu. Yasu isn't the most popular character in the series. Not even in the top ten. But that's not the same as hate.

>>6391586
Yeah, seriously. I thought WillxLion was the highlight, too, but I also really enjoyed Yasu's story and thought it was the main thrust for the atmosphere and overall impact of the ep. Considerin that takes up about 60% of the episode, with Will and Lion only occasionally popping up now and again to provide some commentary on it, uhhh...

>>6391586
>>6391611
People who enjoyed the Yasu part like you did are the minority.
Go read the reviews, it's also obvious if you actually followed the threads in Futaba or 2ch.
Most of the time when they talk about the episode it's "the Yasu parts were the weakest" or "her motive is stupid/incomprehensible".

You also have to remember that people who read episode 7 are already longtime fans, they won't ask the same thing as someone who just got into episode 2.
Most people who read Umineko nowadays aren't that much into the mystery and more into the magical/meta side and cool characters which is why they liked episode 7.

>>6391635
I didn't say I loved Yasu. Her story was interesting but I can see why other people don't think so. I think you are exaggerating people's hatred of her. If you said people had mixed feelings I agree. But I don't see hate that is any worse than what other characters get. Just my thoughts.

>>6391019

Actually, Yasu isn't the culprit in Ep4. That would be Kyrie.

It's important to note that the ONLY person Battler ends up talking to over the phone (other than Jessica and Yasu) is Kyrie... which means it's very probable that none of the other survivors exist and that she's coercing both George and Jessica into fucking with Battler the entire game.

At the end, Yasu kills Kyrie, and then goes out back and shoots herself in the face.