/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Can someone please explain why the fuck Lady Gaga is so popular?

Because of the gorgeous art, of course.

>>6332961
Gay people. She is fueled by gay people.

Memes.

because INSANE LOLI LESBIAN WITCHES AND GORE XD

>>6332952
Because it's full of trolls, you faggot.

>>6332968

You mean a shitty meme from an unknown horrible anime made a surprisingly good VN incredibly popular?

It managed to attract women for reasons I can't understand.
Pretty much the only thing that make it popular these days, one of the jokes about it in Japan is that it's basically an otome game.

It's cool and edgy ECKSDEE

It fooled people into believing it was an intriguing mystery, when it actuality it was a convoluted, poorly done love drama.

I will tell you.

When someone tells me why the hell is Higurashi even more popular.

Epic soundtrack and fun to read.

It got popular because it was good.

It's not good because it is popular.

>>6333001
Higurashi combined the Key style type of execution and comedy that was fucking popular these days (and R07 himself said this for people who want to argue) and the power of the doujin world that was really eager to hype something new after Tsukihime.

Is it really popular though?
Seems to be about the same level as an average eroge in Japan, far from the level of Higurashi.

>>6333001
LETS FIX IT WITH THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP!

>>6333009
This.
While it tends to be convoluted and ridiculous at times, it was entertaining and fun to read.

>>6333029

I don't trust that shitty power, it won't stop my friends killing me 1000 times while they only saved me one.

Because insanity and gore = it's adult.

>>6332986
I don't know about you, but I find the general writing style and character designs to have a distinct... feminine flair to them.

Ryukishi is gay. Discuss.

>>6333029
Copy/paste that, replace friendship with olev, and you have Seacats.

>>6333022

It makes sense, also why Umineko will never reach Higurashi's popularity level.

>>6333061
>>6333061
In other news, the sky is blue.

>>6333061
Umineko is his love letter to BT.
But he couldn't be too obvious about it, that's why there is the whole "Schroedinger penis" thing.

Also women care more about shallow emotions than stuffs like a plot that make sense or a good story, so Umineko is perfect for them.

>>6333071

Only that love will never make a perfect world to everyone to be happy in but it's THE POWER OF LOVE what screws everything.

>>6333071
But evol is more powerful than friendship as a rule of thumb usually. Also, it's an emotion which is by default better.

The friendship power was understandable in Higurashi, especially since the biggest enemies were distrust and paranoia.

But the love power of Umineko is just fucking shallow.

>>6333380
Wouldn't love of made more sense in Higurashi?

>>6333433

Why do you think that?

>>6332952
>Can someone please explain why the fuck Umineko is so popular?
western babby's first Forest and Ryukishi's fame after Higurashi.

...because the story really is layered wonderfully and it has some of the better developed characters in the genre.

>>6333639

You don't have enough love.

It's fun to talk about, that's all really

Even if it's shitty it's entertaining.

I think I'm in it mostly for the Comiket spoiler rush, at this point. Truly one of the biggest mindfucks you could get. Shame that last Comiket was kind of lame for the majority of the night.

>>6332996
>>6332996
Fucking R07.

How could Higurashi be so awesome? It was his first series, so shouldn't his next series be better? Higurashi's writing wasn't nearly as bad as Umineko's.

There's a reason why Higurashi is still way more popular than Umineko over in moonland. It's because it's actually good. It's the western fanbase that puts it on a pedestal because they don't know any better.

babby's first VN

>>6334053
I've played the Higurashi VNs are find them terrible in comparison to Umineko.

Babby's first book

>>6334175

OP, if you had asked practically ANYWHERE ELSE, you would have gotten loads of good answers about why Umineko is popular.

But you made the grave mistake of asking /jp/. Except you sound awfully biased, so I'm sure it was on purpose.

>>6334053
What? Umineko pokes fun at how bad Higurashi's plot was.

>>6334617
By what having an even worse plot than Higurashi?

I only play it for the music and some of the more interesting characters (I can seriously care less about Battler and Beatrice's grimdark romance fest) but the plot is completely convoluted and hard to follow at times - EP 7 only makes it worse with the whole Yasu nonsense.

>>6334053

Higurashi is more popular because its been around for a lot longer you fucktard.

I'm not sure which is worse.

BRAIN PARASITES or ALL OF STORIES 1-4 WERE JUST METAPHORES

>>6334675
Umineko is Ryukishi's newest/hottest thing right now and has been around almost as long as Higurashi. It still hasn't surpassed Higurashi despite this.

Just accept the fact that Higurashi is the superior product.

Actually having a good anime helped

>>6334066
>>6334175
I wish it was, it would make localizing the PS3 port a lot easier

Only reason Higurashi is more popular is because of all the slice of school life diarrhea. Japan will obviously eat that shit up.

umineko didn't have enough lolis, just delicious milfs that are under-appreciated over there

>>6334735
Higurashi was fucking popular well before its anime aired you know.

fighto

Umineko has delicious MILFS and interesting motivations that you can't really do with highschool characters.

>>6336605
>interesting motivations
PONY sure is a great motivation.

>>6334735
>good

>>6336605
The motivations of the culprits in Umineko are:
-I'M A FUTA/ENUCH SLUT WHO CAN'T CHOOSE BETWEEN THE JOCK, THE FATASS AND THE LESBIAN, AND I DIDN'T GET A PONY, TIME TO KILL EVERYONE.
and

-GOLD FUCK YEAH, THEN WE WILL STEAL SOME CAKES BECAUSE WE ARE EVIL LIKE THIS.

Awesome.
Umineko is more childish and even more shallow than Higurashi

>>6336605
What? The motivations are EXACTLY what you'd expect from Highschool characters.

Yasu is just asspained that Battler "dumped" her(Like all cheesy highschool dramas he didn't, but she's under the impression he did) and Kyrie and Rudolf are just a bunch of selfish asshats.

Like, the only person who could possibly have an interesting motivation would be Jessica, but there's no way in hell she's the culprit.

>>6336605
>interesting motivations
We reading the same novel?

>>6336622
What would Jessica's motivation be, anyways?

Not that it matters, she's too chill to want to kill everyone for something stupid.

it has bloody murders and trolls, everything 4chan loves(?)

>>6336618
>>6336622
>>6336624
>no love
>no 8th episode
>Moon-chan grins

Disregard that, I only find Battler's moral 180° after solving the mystery as a plot problem and will be mad if that won't get explained.
Then again not even Meta-Battler is the actual Battler, so what I am trying to say, I would be REALLY mad if it turns out that all Meta-Battler is is one of the forms of Beatrice who is "Of course, not him" in the same sense that Kanon of course is not by any means Shannon.
The plot now as it stands has a lot of holes(mostly concerning dubious red text), those holes can only be closed in interesting ways, and I like that.

>>6336642
Well, if you want to know, I'll tell you.
Basically, in episode 7, we find out that Yasu was the heir from the very beginning. Even the riddle to become the heir was rigged in her favor, and if she still couldn't solve it she would have eventually been run through it.

Once more, she starts up an insane roulette, potentially planning on killing everyone, but that's a given.

If Jessica somehow found out about this, I'd reckon she'd be pissed. Imagine spending your whole life being groomed to be the heiress, when you never really were in the first place. More over, imagine being lied to by your parents, and your friends. Jessica has both practical and emotional reasons to mess with Yasu's head. Practically speaking, Yasu "steals" what is hers, and doesn't even TELL her.

Emotionally speaking her parents and Yasu have been basically deceiving her, her parents about Kinzo's death and Yasu about Yasu.

Will seems to think she's alright, so I doubt it means anything. But I'd take her motive over PONY anyday, as I myself would be pissed as all hell if I found out my ENTIRE LIFE WAS A LIE.

>>6336642
you don't really know what IS her motivation, but...

1)She's twofaced and when it comes down to it, a complete sociopath beating up her friends with brass knuckles
2)She is very much capable of murder if she needs to(read: if someone persuades her). She is considered to be like that by both Hachijo and Yasu.
3)She says she doesn't want to be the sucessor but she has a line of "thinking as the family head"

By that I am not saying she is batshit, but at this point she has more clues to be the murderer than Shannon.

I agree Jessica has motivations to murder Yasu, but why the rest of the family? Aren't they as cheated by Yasu as she is?

Jessica has nothing to do with anything, episode 7 showed it quite clearly.
I understand your need to make the plot more interesting since it fucking sucks but that's just fanfiction level there.

>>6336669
I don't think the Brass Knuckles meant anything other than the comedic intent it entailed.

Her doublethink is rather frightening at times, I agree with you there. But Will seems to think she's alright, and what he says goes, right?

>>6336683
We're speculating, is all. Plus there's always that one year missing in Yasu's story. As is, Umineko's plot does fucking suck, and Jessica's potential motivation is rather interesting.

We could just accept that Yasu did it because she's a melodramatic whore, and that mass murder can happen without "bad people", but what's the fun in that?

>>6336681
Ah, think of it this way. Jessica finds out about Yasu's idea for a roulette, and decides to manipulate her extremely subtly.

For example, convincing George not to give Shannon Battler's letter. Basically, pushing Yasu to do her insane plan by indirectly fucking with her.

If Yasu does her insane plan, well, guess who won't becomes the heir?

>>6336683
What with some pieces being moved by the GM during the interrogation?
Actually, the fact that the characters being examined by the detective are that much shallow is what's strange. Is he not just talking to literal characters as yasu wrote them? Even in Van Dine's novels, the culprit shouldn't say completebullshit, but that doesn't prevent him from saying half-lies and misdirecting with a coolface.

>>6336692
R07 said that the mystery of Umineko has been solved in episode 7 already.
And the blank of 2 years was covered in episode 1-6, it was stated directly.

And I don't see where is the fun in being completely delusional.

>>6336692
Well, if you are being persecuted, beaten and closed in the closet for not being the head to find out you won't be the head... Kinzo has beaten her innocent, maidenly ass with a boken(I love that line so much) so if you presume it was taken further, here we go, Kohaku appears. Kohaku is also pure Lawful Evil, but if you understand her she was hardly a bad person.

>>6336704
Yeah, but the mystery being solve can mean any number of things. Until he outright says "Yasu did it, only Yasu and the servants, all because of love", there's always the chance that he meant "You can pierce things together now"
>>6336710
Well, Yasu's life sucked alot too, and Yasu's the culprit, let's say, but how far can a sucky life go in justifying murder?

Kohaku was acting only out of severe pain, and even then she only targeted monsters, yet Yasu kills a bunch of innocent people, for no good reason.

Yasu as is is a bitch. The shipperfags can yell at me all they want, I don't want to accept Yasu as the culprit if I have to accept episode 7 Yasu. She's clearly evil and a villain, only slightly better than Kyrie, Rudolf, and Bernkastel's HURR DURR evil.

>>6336710
There's the rub. If Jessica was the culprit I could understand her motivations. Yasu I can't really. She's not insane to the point where she wouldn't tell that people die when they are killed, and furthermore, the whole murder scenario benefits no one. She has nothing to GAIN from it, not even Battler's love.

Whenever I go to /a/ they tell me I have no love yada yada yada, but Yasu's actions don't add up. Battler didn't come back for me so I'll kill everyone? Huh? Why?

>>6336704
He also said that even ep8 will not really be ""the end". quite strange if everything is already solved.

>>6336734
Her motivation is basically that she was indesive and couldn't choose between George, Jessica and Battler and therefore decided to create a Schroedinger situation to have fate decide to her.
That's what dividing her soul means, she loved 3 different people and couldn't choose, she felt trapped by the marriage proposal of George, the return of Battler and her growing feelings for Jessica.

That's fucking evil if you ask me, playing with the life of 15 people just because you are a whore.
But of course everyone pity her in the game.

>>6336734
I also have the problem with what is E8 going to be about.

Let's say - like in Matsuribayashi, half the episode are individual backstories. Also the end of Ange's story, which means Amakusa somehow gets to the situation where he tells her what happened or we get Amakusa thinking about how he should keep her alive but never tell her the truth in order not to betray Eva.
What's the game about? What are the promised 'choices' in the game about? Someone on the game board is like "Oh hey, Shannon, what's that thing in your pocket?" and the culprit is revealed? Everyone fictionally leaves the island and voila, it's like I am really reading the truth?

>>6336746
that's just your theory. Don't talk about it like it's some established fact. It's plausible, I know, but that doesn't mean it's the only theory one can have.

>>6336751
It's going to be some meta-shit.
The choice will probably be to put an end to the story or to let it continue forever.

>>6336753
How the fuck is this a theory?
It's spelled almost directly in the game.
It's like saying that 1 + 1 = 2 is a theory.
The dividing soul meaning loving different people, the "let fate decide for me" and the fact that she felt trapped by everything happening at the same time are stated directly in the game you know.

>>6336755

After all of this shit, do you accept ShKanontrice yet? It's the pinnacle of what I, someone who loves you, could think of to solve this without your butt getting hurt too much.

[ ]They are one person but not the culprit!
[ ]Kanon still exists!
[ ]It's all fiction anyway!
[ ]accept it

>>6336768
The four of them at the same time.

>>6336755
Put an end to it.

Delusions caused this whole mess, it's time to swallow the correct pill and wake the fuck up.

Poor Yasu. She wasn't loved by anyone!

...Except Battler. And George. And Jessica. Maria perhaps too.

Wait why are pitying her again?

>>6336920
Wow, actually correct

>>6333061
Ryukishi07 is a woman. Just see how Featherine appears as a man in front of her fans, while keeping her true identity hidden.

>>6336935
Because of her/his mangled genitals?

>>6336957
They have surgery for that.

Course, how would Yasu even AFFORD that, s/he only has a mountain of gold at his/er disposal!

>>6336618
I love people ranting like this when EP7 pretty much spells it out for you in giant letters that the motive for the actual murders still isn't clear yet in what we've seen. If Battler's behavior and spiel to Ange isn't enough for you, you'd think Will wigging out over the EP7 murder scenario being a "mystery with no heart" would be enough to drill it in peoples' heads, but everyone loves the Umineko-is-shit bandwagon these days, I guess.

>>6336977
Except episode 7 make it very very clear that the motive has been spelled out and that you just have to put 2 and 2 together.
You didn't read episode 7.

>>6337011
No, bro, it sounds like you're the one who didn't read Episode 7.

>Will: "To hell with your mystery. You think I'll accept a mystery without a heart?"

>Will: "I'll cut apart everything of your heartless mystery with the twenty wedges."

It's made very clear that Ep7's murder scenario actually provides no motive. Mr. Motive himself laid down the verdict, and Battler backs him up. It's clear there's still more to learn. I'm sorry Atlas and anon's spoilers didn't get this across to you.

>>6337019
What you are talking about is completely different.
What was Will denying was the heartless truth that was shown in the tea party, and he failed.

Beatrice's heart, that contain the motive, has been completely shown.
Will and Clair even say several times that everything about Beatrice has been said, that the motive was obvious. Even R07 confirmed that the mystery had been completely solved, and the motive is a fucking big part of the mystery.

But of course you have no fucking reading comprehension.

>>6337011
>You didn't read episode 7.
>>6337019
>No, bro, it sounds like you're the one who didn't read Episode 7.
ep7 discussion in a nutshell

>>6337029
Heartless mystery = motiveless mystery, smart guy. People are bitching and crying about Kyrie and Rudolf's motive when it's pointed out outright that we're supposed to see that the scenario as is doesn't just have a "shit motive", as far as the narrative is concerned, it has no motive.

>Even R07 confirmed that the mystery had been completely solved, and the motive is a fucking big part of the mystery.
Oh good, explain that shit about Rokkenjima's role in world peace and the Sumaderas, please, I'd love to hear it.

>>6337029 Beatrice's heart, that contain the motive, has been completely shown.
To Bern.

Say, Lambda played dumb while she actually helped Beatrice to be born and oversaw the creation of this game - but Bern was her witch-opponent, she was made the GM without having actually solved the game and solved it through observing the original game board and playing around with the pieces to see what can't they do.

>>6337038
The mystery is about Beatrice's heart, this is what Umineko is mainly about, this is what has been COMPLETELY solved.

What really happened on the island is completely irrevelent, it's also been stated several times.
Everything could have happened and nobody could know the truth, solving Umineko has always ever been about showing Beatrice's heart rather than showing what really happened on the island.
The tea party was just Bern being needlessly cruel, that's why Will fought against her.

Anyways there is a reason why episode 8 will be a story for Ange, the story about the Sumadera, Kyrie Asumu and Rudolf backstories, all these things are only for Ange, they aren't part of the mystery and Battler will probably reset the situation to a "everything could have happened so there is no culprit" in episode 8.

>>6336970
>>6336957
>>6336935
She has solved the epitaph, fooled people she lived with daily on look, headshotted eleven people in a row, sucesfully played dead three times in a row while she ran as fast as just to get to lie there and for everything else she has the gold.

She is like Ed the Pimp - what can't she do?

>>6337056
ride a pony

>>6337039
>To Bern
And To Will.
And to the readers.

I know that being Umineko fags, you lack intelligence and common sense but saying that we shouldn't know the motive after episode 7 even though the whole fucking episode, and the previous one as well, was about it goes in the realm of utter retardation.

>>6337059
I bet she could get one to Kuwadorian with a little ingot

>>6337078
I bet alchemy could resurrect Ed's mom. Oh wait.

>>6337055
>The tea party was just Bern being needlessly cruel, that's why Will fought against her.

So we're talking about a character who will not shut up about "don't make light of the heart/motive", has that fixation as the center of his characterization, and when he's telling you flat out that this is a scenario that presents no heart/motive, you're ignoring it. Because then we can't rant about how Umineko is just shit with shit motivations for shit characters, case closed, mirite.

>>6337088
That fucking scenario was about Rudolf/Kyrie and had nothing to do with Yasu and her motive.
Once again you are a fucking retard.
You could think there is a bit more about Rudolf and Kyrie and you are probably right but everything about Beatrice has been said.

>>6337088
>Umineko is just shit with shit motivations for shit characters
That's pretty much the truth though.

>>6337100
Hencetherefore, there is nothing left for E8 except for this single backstory.

E6 ended Beato's tale, mind you.

>>6337116
Episode 8 also need to develop and end all this meta shit.

>>6337116

I don't know. We might get some more background on Lambda, Bern and possible AuAu. Though I hope not.

>>6337116
Episode 6 ended meta-Beato story, episode solve the mystery aka Beatrice's heart, episode 8 will be about making Ange happy and solving the meta side as a whole.

>>6337116
Bern controls the game board now and I think Battler won't allow this. There'll probably be some kind of showdown between them.

>>6337132
I hope it will be rather like that generator pic of Battler coming back with "Haiguys how are you yanno our honeymoon was so greWHAT THE FUCK"

The dumb thing is Beato died and Battler seems to have accpeted it. It even seems like Beato dies when the mystery she is is solved, therefore Battler's Beatrice mystery died fast - it messed with everyone's minds in E6 but got solved by Bern(whom was it presented to) before E7 started.
And most of all, Hachijou's board is a replica, why should he care?

>>6337123
>>6337131
But that seems to me like the side which was already solved.
Battler got saved by Eva, became Amakusa in order to better protect Ange and part of that is never letting her know that her parents are murderers. Meanwhile she is doing her best to find out until she dies for the best. Can't understand it any other way.
A little bonus to explain Meta is Asumu knowing the truth for unimplied reasons and writing the stories to explain the truth to Ange in such a way which a) Explains them being killers in the gentlest possible way or b) makes Ange want to stop caring. After E7, I don't even want to read E8.

>>6337188

Battler=Amasuka theory is not confirmed. And I pray to got that it gets destroyed into smitherins in EP8.

>>6337238
Too much clues, sorry.

I mean, if I ignore the tarots and everything else, he has two puns AT ONCE in his name, implying that he is Battler.

>>6337258

What clues? huh? those tarot cards? give me a break.

Then again at least this theory isn't as retarded as the Asumu=Fetherline one

>>6337130
mitebecool

>>6337078
but she wants battlers pony, not any pony...

>>6339382
Clearly, "pony" is just a euphemism for "penis", and his promise to bring her one was actually a promise to give her some hot dickings.

Didn't Amukusa allow Ange to be shot in episode 4? I'm pretty sure it was implied that Ange got shot either by Amakusa or by the crazy bitch right at the end of the scene where all the goons got killed by the Seven Stakes (in reality: shot to death by Amakusa), but there was a long enough lull between the shots for Ange to be killed. Episode 6 practically states that this was intentional, but there were enough hints in episode 4 to also allow for this.

>>6339499
To me, ep4 looks like amakusa being the stakes in the narrative.