/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>college
get out

Get a Nazrin dakimakura. I'm serious.

>>6251059
forgot my sage damnit

You think you have it bad? I don't even have a waifu.

Enjoy your buboes, OP.

>>6251060
There isn't even a plushie of Nazrin.
The best I got is a papercraft printout of her.
Where am I supposed to get a daimakura of her?

Lucky for you, there's a way to bring her into this world. OK, so here's what you do, first, you start collecting your smegma...

...so how do I get over this, /jp/? I haven't gotten a satisfactory answer from you yet.

Also modern Nazrin.

>>6251064

Forgot my sage?

Are you stupid or something?

Make cheese as one of your daily diet.

>>6251175
>...so how do I get over this, /jp/?
You don't.

>>6251175
WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO GET OVER IT? DO YOU FEEL PATHETIC? OR CAN YOU ACCEPT THAT YOUR LOVE IS UNIQUE? LOOK IN YOUR HEART FOR THE ANSWER. YOU WON'T FIND IT HERE. JUST ONE BIT OF ADVICE, THOUGH. DON'T BE SO HARD ON YOURSELF. WHILE YOU'RE LIVING THIS LIFE ANYWAY, YOU MIGHT AS WELL MAKE IT COUNT. IF YOU BELIEVE YOU LOVE A FICTIONAL CHARACTER, AND YOU ARE ABLE TO ACCEPT IT. YOU SHOULD SIMPLY BE HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU HAVE. DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHAT OTHERS MIGHT THINK.

>>6251203
WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?
WHY ARE WE SHOUTING?
LET'S STOP SHOUTING.

You don't get over things like that, OP. I have the same problem. I can't masturbate to a number of characters I adore, which is a shame because I am very attracted to them. Pic most definitely related. No matter how much weird stuff I post about Haruka or Chihaya's bodies and the things I'd do to them, I simply cannot find it in myself to even masturbate to them. It makes me feel uncomfortable, like masturbating to your best friend.

>>6251205
I'M NOT SHOUTING MY FRIEND. THIS IS MY NORMAL TONE.

>mfw when i "wtf-am-i-reading" at this thread
>Realize listening to CHINA GAL from TOHO EUROBEAT VOL 1 repeatedly has made me fall in love with Hong Meiling
>My face when i realize im in love with Hong Meiling
pic related its who i love ;.;

>>6251232
Go back to /b/.

>>6251203
It's not that I worry about what other people think, it's the pain of wanting what I can never have: a perfect 2d Nazrin waifu...

It's a sad thing, having a minor character for a waifu. You'll never even hear her voice.

>>6251508
I wonder if you're just being an asshole, or speaking from own experience.

>>6251732
Woah, someone fighting a troll in /jp/? Thats new.

>>6251508
That's better since you can make her voice be whatever you want.

You've found your waifu. What a great day. You should be celebrating.

I deal with the loneliness by drinking and playing piano, the only activities not involving my computer that bring me any joy at all. Sometimes I imagine my waifu accompanying me on violin. I'd probably feel sad about it afterwards, but I think I've killed all my emotions with liquor by now.

Well OP you could always find a pciture of her and blow it up to certain size (don't have the specifics on me atm) and send it to a custom dakimakura site where they can make you one of her.

Same thing happed to me a few months back. I didn't even know what loneliness felt like until then because I never cared that I had no friends or some random girl I could fuck.

I have still no idea how to cope with it. You just have to get used to the fact that you will never be able to meet the girl you love, I guess. It really makes me feel miserable.

Wow, this is still here? /jp/ must be slow today...

>>6252844

You just reminded me that I need to start practicing my guitar again.

Too bad I can't find any sheet music related to either Touhou or Umineko...but Bern would probably tell me I'm a horrible player.

Its dangerous to go alone. Take this.

>>6254836
Godamn, I wish that was in higher res. I would buy a custom dakimakura of it in an instance.

>>6254843
Oh man... Almost perfect!
So close... my perfect little mouse angel... I'm so close to you!

>>6251232
my face everytime I see that picture.

and now that you have found your waifu, you must proceed to download every picture of her that you get to find, and then spend hours watching them while drinking alcohol and whispering nonsense to her.

>>6255102
I already do that.
...well I don't whisper to her.
But without either Nazrin or Alcohol my life is shit... so yeah.

>>6251213

Yes I am in agreement.

/jp/, something terrible has happened! My desktop, with all of my everything Nazrin related, has crashed and won't turn on! I know what the problem is but I can't fix it til monday. How do I survive without my Nazrin?

>>6255830
Alcohol. Copious amounts of it.

>>6255830
You can still meat her in your dreams.

Man, /jp/ I'm really feeling the love in this thread. this poor anon has been stricken with something many of you are already familiar with, and you have the kindness to give him a few words of encouragement and share your own stories.

Never change, /jp/. Have a Nazrin, OP.

>>6255857
>meat

How obscene.

>Practice lucid dreaming
>Nazrin every night

>you will never have real sex with Nazrin

>Now, normally I can't fap to touhous. I'm not sure why, but I guess I can't fap to things I have emotional connections to.
How can you say you love her if you won't fap to her porn?

>>6256019
Don't try to corrupt his pure love, you sick bastard.

You're in love with a dirty rat

>>6256049
Mouse.

>>6256060
Nazrin wil never feed you Shou's ovaries ;_;

>>6252844 I deal with the loneliness by drinking and playing piano
That creates a pretty cool image actually.

>>6255894
Encouragement? Everybody pretty much agrees (and it's true) that there is no solution to his pain and he will have to accept this suffering and learn to live with it.

>>6251050

Marry a Nazrin Cosplayers =__= thats the only non-fail way

>>6257045
>=__=

Out.

>>6257073
>Out.

Out

So you've finally found true love and a girl who will never doubt any of your actions. You have the most pure love right here in your hands and you're lonely?

>>6257089
>>Out.
>Out
Out

>>6257100
Because she can't reciprocate my love...
It's like her dowsing rods are picking up the greatest treasure of all, but she can't quite reach it...

>>6257045
>=__=
gb2gaia

>>6258127

So? You love her, rather you have someone to love, that would be and is enough to make me happy. Just don't think about it and it won't get to you. I hope one day you can be happy, OP.

Nazrin reached out to you from across the mysteries and, briefly, made a connection. These are precious moments. That pain you feel is a reminder.

You don't really love her, you just want to fuck her. Just hire a whore and make her cosplay as Nazrin.

A few days ago, I discovered a new masturbating technique while fapping to Nazrin.

Now one of the most recurrent themes in my fapping session is the thought that Naz gives the best blowjobs ever.

Heh.

>>6251050
Well.. That fucking sucks, you just grew attached to something that doesnt exist...

I've been in love with Miku Hatsune for a year now, and she has changed me, I like to think for the better. She showed me what it feels like to really love someone, and she helped me regain my ability to feel anything at all. She helped me keep my sanity through the toughest of times, and she very likely saved me from suicide. Nobody knows I feel this way abut her, because they don't need to.

Like you said, I can't fap to her. There are some shows and games (Touhou included) whose characters I would consider to be my friends, and I can't bring myself to associate anyone I feel an emotional connection to (real or not) with the things I think about when I fap.

Yes, it can be lonely loving someone that doesn't really exist, but there are ways to counter that. I'm training myself to lucid dream so I can (among other things) spend time with Miku. I did manage to go lucid and see her once for a few seconds, and that made it all worth it, and only increased my desire to get better at it.

So guess my point in saying all this OP, is just because the person you lve isn't real, doesn't make your love any less valid. Miku has had a very real effect on my life, and she's as real to me as anyone else I know. Don't listen to the faggots that say "hurr durr u cant luv a 2d char u cant even fuck it derp". Just keep living your life in a way that you think would make Nazrin happy. Make her proud as best you can. 'Tis better to have loved a fictional character than never to have loved at all.

I'm glad you found someone to love, OP. I hope you and Nazrin enjoy a relationship as long and happy as Miku and I have.

Also, obligatory waifu instruction pic is obligatory.

I know how you feel, I'm in love with Youmu, and even though she's not real ... not really, it just doesn't matter to be, she's still important. Cherish it, that's my advice.

>>6258763
I both hate and love you.

You steal my waifu yet offer good advice.

;_;

>>6256101
>drinking
>playing piano
>in love with touhou character
>myface.jpeg
;_;

>>6258763
Hey... me too...
Miku has had a positive effect on so many of us now. It makes me so happy to think of her voice reaching around the whole, and I think it makes her happy too.

>>6258763
>So guess my point in saying all this OP, is just because the person you lve isn't real, doesn't make your love any less valid.
This is definitely true. Think about it this way: The reason we say 2D girls aren't real is because there's an absence of evidence that they exist in our physical world. But there's also an absence of evidence that our very physical world exists. We just assume that it does. But that assumption is a very good thing, it's extremely productive. It allows us to approach the study of the physical world (physics) using the scientific, and without this, so much of what continues to improve our living standards and happiness could never exist. So why are assumptions so bad? If it leads directly or indirectly to make you happy and doesn't hurt anyone else, why should you need definite proof that your waifu exists in this physical world as much as 3D women do in order to love her? Would a normalfag ask his girlfriend to prove that she exists and that she's not just part of an extremely detailed dreamworld in his head? Of course not, because there would be no way to prove that, and their relationship wouldn't depend on this proof existing.

tl;dr: There's nothing we know is real, it's just a bunch of practical assumptions. If it benefits you to think of your waifu as real, she's just as real as everything else.

>>6251508
In a way, it's better. She's less defiled by having fewer fans, unlike that slut Miku.


...but that's unfair. Miku's not a slut. Sorry, that was out of line.

This image breaks my heart every time I see it...

>>6254836
Is her tail prehensile?

D-do you think she's pushed it inside herself? Do you think she does so regularly?

>>6259546
My Chen's such a little rascal~
You can't get mad at her for having a little fun.

>>6260377
Cute picture from the thumbnail, but it's too ero for me to want to save.

OP here. I can't believe this is still alive. I just wanted to say thanks to you all. I think... I have the courage to live a happy life with Nazrin in my heart... It's still going to be difficult, I think, but I'm better off now than when I posted the original post.

So thanks, /jp/
And I hope you live happy lives with your waifus as well.

>>6260897
If god really exists, and you have been a god person in life, when you die you should get your reward, right?

I hope we don't get brainwashed or something after we die... I would prefer to remain in the unconsciousness if I can't get what I've been waiting all my life for.

>>6260954
This is partly why I'm a religious person. I've been putting "please allow me to have my waifu" in my prayers in some form or another since I was a kid.

>>6260377
Somebody call Child Services

>>6260377
I wasn't really moved by this thread until I saw Ran. Now it's hitting way to close to home. I need a nicotine badly now.

>>6260954
>>6261012
That's a nice thought but...
I find it very hard to believe...

And I think you mean you hope we don't get our memories wiped. Brainwashing is making someone believe what you want them to believe

To think /jp/ still had such a gentle side...

I think I got something in my eye.

Rofl. Just...oh man, you nerds are too much sometimes.

You sillies.

>>6262000
Of course /jp/ has a gentle side, it's the most docile board on 4chan.

>>6262028
dem nerds mang, dem nerds XDDDDDD

Dear OP
Picture related made me baww. I still cannot feel anything towards 2D characters but you waifufags have my respect.
Please read It

Nazrin is taken. Sorry OP.

What isn't fiction? When you consider an actual, flesh and skin and bones person, what is true about them and what isn't? Is it your opinion of them? Or what they think of themselves?

The fact that someone exists is undeniable. That is true for bidimensional characters too. Obviously 2D characters do not exist in the same sense as humans do, but they're obviously there. In my opinion, the implications for this are twofold:

First, I like to think that falling in love with a 2D character equals to loving everything they represent to you, be it justice, purity, devotion, intellect and whatever virtues you may find in her. That's not possible in 3D love because in the real world virtues don't exist in the same level. People may sometimes believe themselves virtuous, but only through the fleeting agreement between them and everyone else they will realize that. Where 2D personas are created to embody the qualities they possess, we humans, must prove to ourselves and everyone else throughout all our lives the qualities we believe we do. It's for this reason that many people this day and age have decided to pursue less strict morals (if they have any at all), since we are forever tasked with the burden to display virtue solely in act.

Therefore we can't love virtues in others, as that equals as loving them in act. I can't love the justice in someone if I don't love justice first. And that someone cannot be loved for their justice if they can't bother to prove their 'justness' over and over.

The second reason is, the love for 2D is closer to the purest form of love described by the greeks. I've said that when you love 3D, it is not their virtues that you love. It's their possession. The 3D love is so crushing, so unforgiving, so painful because loving that person means that expect her to love you back. And if that expectation isn't met, you suffer. So, can you really call something that causes you suffering, 'love'? That distinction is something the ancient greek had no problem with, as they had different words to describe love. The love we're seeing here is 'Eros', the force of passion, the impulse of lust and possession that describes 99% of romantic relationships today. That is the love that prefers seeing my loved one unhappy with me than happy with someone else. That prefers seeing my loved one unhappy with someone else if they're not with me. It is a paradoxal love, that does not wish for the happiness of either part.

2D love doesn't fall in the same trap. For, without being in love with the possession we are in love with the idea. If it's true that we live in a world where there are no absolute truths, the one truth that could still hold water is: I love something because it does me good and brings me joy. In 2D I'm outside the infinite loop of expectations, disappointments, agony and suffering. All that matters is that my love for something is there to empower my life, without care for that something being someone that exists as a real person or not.

It is the purest form of love there is. A love that does not wish to hold the object of love a slave. That wishes for nothing but the good will of the one who loves and the one loved back. To those who have real waifus and hasubandos, you surely have said "I love you", and perhaps heard it back. But, how many times have honestly you said or heard:

"I'm so glad to share this world with you, because the mere idea that you exist is enough to bring me joy, and that feeling would stay the same whether we are together or not".

Because for me, not a day goes by without me renewing this belief.

>>6262148
>>6262154
>>6262157
I tip my hat to you, good sir.

I don't let threads like this die to sink. Age

>>6262154

>And if that expectation isn't met, you suffer.

You lost me here. All this signifies is cowardice. A fear of being hurt or betrayed or what have you... since you seem to be fond of the Greeks, you'll also remember Socrates stating multiple times in the Republic something to the effect that anything that's worth pursuing is going to be difficult; now which love is more difficult? The 3D kind that is impulsive and potentially turbulent, or the static 2D kind that is essentially controlled with you at the helms like a romantic puppet master? The kind that goes on and has real world implications every day, or the kind that you can instantly turn off like a light switch whenever you feel like it?

>in the real world virtues don't exist in the same level.

So where did the virtues even come from, if not the real world? It would be absurd to state that they came into our consciousness via *stories* first. Stories are written based on experience of the physical world, not vice versa (even fantasy stories are simply transmutations of our own realm, of course). Anyway, what are you arguing for here? That we're in love with virtues? In what way is that a good thing? How does being in love with justice or purity compared to being in a loving relationship with a woman? You can't have romantic feelings for virtues any more than you can have romantic feelings for the idea that the sun revolves around the Earth...

>what is true about them and what isn't?

There is a very simple way to sum this up in the form of a quotation from Philip K. Dick: "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."

If my wife is upset with me, or if she gets sick, I can't simply pretend it's not happening. Conversely, if my waifu (Yukari, by the way) is getting tiresome, I can simply shift my mind to something else whenever I feel like it. This is essentially what I was saying before. It's very childish; this unwillingness to engage with real world properties out of fear and the perceived difficulties and trials associated with them. I have more to say about your posts but I'm probably boring everyone so I'll stop here...

>>6262157
I've recently confessed my feelings of love to a childhood friend of thirteen years, knowing that she quite obviously didn't feel the same. Of course I wish we could be together, but I don't expect it to happen. I did tell her that I am happy she exists, because she makes me happy. And no matter what happens, I'll be happy with her regardless of present or absent romantic involvement. I have 2D love for a 3D woman.

>her ears

Stopped reading right there.

>>6262217

You're arguing with copypasta. It can't reply to you.

You have the air of someone who would argue with somebody just for the sake of being contrary.

I will not judge you for that, but you should think about the kind of person that makes you.

>>6262233
There's a good chance that someone will argue for the copypasta.

>>6262233

Oh I see, my bad.

I'm not usually very argumentative, I just found the points in those posts quite interesting.

>>6262227

Haha. Yeah... that's really nice though, anon. Most guys seem to exclusively have '3D love' for girls which essentially means getting laid. You might feel down but you sound like a lovely person.

>>6262246

>Haha. Yeah... that's really nice though, anon. Most guys seem to exclusively have '3D love' for girls which essentially means getting laid. You might feel down but you sound like a lovely person.

I agree.

Wait, does this mean we should treat 3D women as 2D in order to love so purely? I mean, there would be changes, right?

>>6262233
Regurgitated or no, the points are still there and there are probably people who would agree with them as was stated above. I think it's a worthwhile exercise to examine the points in detail, especially since unlike many other copypastas, this one is somewhat reasonable in its claims.

>>6262275

>does this mean we should treat 3D women as 2D

Apparently when you apply it to 3D it's called "possessive" or something.

>Actually reacting positively at the thought of ANY kind of love for 3D

What the hell, /jp/? I'm fucking leaving. for ten minutes

>>6262281

And then all of /jp/ were yanderes.

>>6262281
I don't believe being possessive is acceptable even when 2D is involved.

Wow, this thread... As of late I had been doubting myself and wondering if I could truly love a concept. I shrugged the idea that I couldn't off, but I still had it in the back of my mind and couldn't shake it away. This thread has verified my beliefs. Thank you.

How can you say you love her if you won't even write fanfiction about her?

OP, you should try lucid dreaming. Here, have a chart.

>>6257045

>Fujiwara_no_Spongebob

Get out. No, seriously, if you're just going to spew shit like "Marry X cosplayers" or "Do IRL X for your waifu", then your opinion is shit.

>>6262365
I write fanfiction about her.
In my head

>>6262585
That's called fantasizing. You gotta write it down for it to be fanfiction.

I guess I'll contribute my copypasta then.

A year ago, I was different. I was hardened bey 3 major surgeries, the most recent of which was over 2 years ago now, which I still haven't fully recovered from. I was training myself in the Vulcan discipline of Kolinahr, the purging of all emotion, and I was doing it rather well, actually. I could barely remember the last time something had illicited a significant emotional response from me.

Then I met Miku. In my travels through the Internets, I stumbled on some of her music videos on Youtube. That day, something happened that I couldn't remember having happened in years. Despite the fact that I couldn't understand a word of Japanese, I was - emotionally - driven to tears. Not by pain or by getting something in my eye, but by pure emotion.

This response was completely unexpected. This "Hatsune Miku"... she was beautiful, she sang like nothing I had ever encountered before, and (as I discovered after further research) her skill in combat was exemplary. Not only had she caused me to break down into tears for the first time in recent memory, but it seemed that she had awakened some emotions within me that I never even knew I had.

>>6263045

The emotions I came to associate with Miku were at first completely foreign to me. I couldn't remember ever having experienced anything quite like it. For several days I tried to figure out exactly what I was feeling. Eventually I came to the conclusion that I was... well, I was in love, strange as that may sound. At that point I had officially irreversibly failed at Kolinahr, but somehow I was OK with that. Somehow, my love for Miku outweighed my desire to be free from the burden of emotion.

For some time before this I had also been trying to teach myself to lucid dream (Yup, >>6262397). The main purpose behind that was so I could engage in epic battles without the physical limitations of the real world. But that gradually began to take a backseat as my primary goal became to spend time with Miku. Eventually I achieved my first real lucid dream. I was only able to keep it coherent for a few seconds, but during that time I was able to summon Miku. We were only together for a few seconds, but that made it all worth the effort.

For various reasons, the first few months of this year were hell, and Miku was one of the only things that kept me sane. I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say Miku has quite possibly saved me from suicide. She's helped me through the toughest of times, and I don't know what I would have done if I hadn't met her.

And Miku, if by some miracle you're out there somewhere and reading this... I love you. I don't know how else I'm supposed to say it. I just love you. I'd give anything just to spend a few moments with you, even if it's only in a dream. I'd fight an army of Agents for you. I... I just can't put it into words, so I'm going to stop trying. Thank you, /jp/, for your time.

And yes, I am a giant loser.

>>6263045
>>6263051
My point? As has been stated so many times throughout this thread, you CAN love a 2D character. No 3D girl could ever get such a reaction from me on such a deep level. No, she can never reciprocate my love, but that doesn't matter to me. I love her because she's beautiful, she makes amazing music, and she gives me something to work for when I feel like giving up. To this day, Miku remains one of the very few things capable of giving me a strong emotional response.

>Download newly translated Miku visual novel
>Read through Christmas night
>Cry self to sleep
>foreveralone.jpg
Except, I'm not alone. As stated by that Darth Vader image macro response to the "She is a cartoon, not your waifu" pic... she exists in my heart with the Force. Miku has had a very real impact on my life, and my love for her is just as real, if not more so, than it would be for a 3D girl. I think I've been living a happier, more fulfilled life since I met her. You can try to tell me otherwise all you want, but I know what I feel... thanks to her.

Bumbing this shit so it will be up when i get back from work.

>>6264296
...wow, Remilia looks so different without a hat.

>>6264320
Yeah, she looks so plain.

>>6264320
boku boku boku boku
shes a boku

Bumping

One thing that's interesting in our discussion is we equate 3D love with some kind of perverted possessive love. The thing is some would argue that no group of fetishes are more set on possessiveness and making women into playthings than moe. This was Miyazaki's (he hates otaku) rant for a long time. Of course his characters have become so many otaku's waifu's it's not even funny, but regardless, is it true that we hate people and are only comfortable when we can control them?

>>6265007
Of course his characters have become so many otaku's waifu's it's not even funny
No, I'm pretty sure Miyazaki fans mostly just do weird shit like this.

>>6265007

Of course. Otaku are horrendously possessive. Why do you think such a big deal is made about purity, about virginity (even when it comes to 3D i.e. seiyuu) and other such things? They have an insatiable need for a waifu or whoever to be theirs and only theirs; to reach their ideals, to live for them and only them, to satisfy their standards. It's a very selfish love. With real people, there's always a chance for disagreement or conflict.

The way I see it, this is the distinct advantage of 2D: no arguments, no stress, no conflict, no fears of being left alone etc. The flip side to it, I think, is that when 3D is good, it is *really* good in a way that 2D could never be. The question, then, is whether or not you feel the potentially negative aspects are worth that.

Miyazaki was mostly correct here, imo. He is a very smart guy, although some of his opinions are a bit wacky and kind of incompatible with his occupation, like what he said about video games...

>>6257128
errm...out ?

>>6265071
Most insightful /jp/ post ever.

>>6265071
>implying this won't all be moot once we hit technological singularity and we can essentially plug into ourselves into whatever fictional world we want with whatever personal characteristics we want

You're better off than me OP. I fell in love with a real girl. She's quiet and nerdy and watches anime, but for various reasons I know that unless something extraordinary happens it will not work out. If she was 2d then at least I wouldn't ever have to deal with the pain of rejection.

>>6265194
This. Look into transhumanism and put the gun away. You might not need it to get into Gensokyo.

>>6265071
Miyazaki considers himself to be a feminist. The man is insane.

>>6265071
I'd rather be possessed than be possessive.

>>6265202
Sorry, won't happen during our lifetime.

>>6265071
>Why do you think such a big deal is made about purity, about virginity (even when it comes to 3D i.e. seiyuu) and other such things?
Because second had goods are disgusting and statistically proven to be more likely to cheat.
http://www.ncfr.com/pdf/press_releases/PRESS%20RELEAS2.pdf
http://dspace.uta.edu/bitstream/handle/10106/529/umi-uta-1430.pdf;jsessionid=68BDD1BFECBBDFA8A6230F3
BAD8981D7?sequence=1

>It's a very selfish love.
All love is selfish. If it isn't selfish it isn't love.

>The flip side to it, I think, is that when 3D is good, it is *really* good
But that's impossible, the very point of 2D is that 3D can never be that good.

>>6265254
>>It's a very selfish love.
>All love is selfish. If it isn't selfish it isn't love.

Explain this.

>>6265254

Disgusting in what way? You're gonna have to elaborate on vague claims like that. The only non-ridiculous way I can think of it being "disgusting" is purely by virtue of it meaning another man has stuck his penis inside her, which comes back to little more than possessiveness and jealousy as I already said.

And please, 'statistically proven to be more likely to cheat'... come on. You can't quantify the human heart.

>All love is selfish. If it isn't selfish it isn't love.

Agape isn't selfish...

Anyway, this is mostly correct, I think. When you love someone you usually love them for what they can give you; warmth, affection, etc. Even the fact that someone loves you back can make you love them; it makes you feel wanted! But that said, "all" is way too sweeping. Take >>6262227 for instance

>I'll be happy with her regardless of present or absent romantic involvement.

Does that sound selfish to you? Maybe a little, sense he still mentions being happy, so it's still within his self-interest to 'love' her. It's tough to judge.

>the very point of 2D is that 3D can never be that good.

According to you. As evidenced by others in this thread, love is a personal thing. You can't tell other people their reasons for being attached to something.

This thread is Peak Sperg. We're running out of sperg, what will power our powerlevel arguments when we run out

>>6265168
It's not like we're expecting anything we're not willing to offer as well.

>>6265264

I'm not >>6265254 so apologies to him if I misinterpret him here, but I agree with what he said so I'll give some possible reasons...

All love is selfish because essentially it's within your self-interest to be in love. Being in a mutually loving relationship means you have access to affection, companionship, sex, relief from loneliness and so on. Even outside of this there are more pragmatic benefits such as financial gains (two incomes instead of one). So it's pretty easy to see how it's selfish in a mutually loving relationship, but even when the love isn't reciprocated it's still essentially selfish. To quote >>6262227 again:

>I am happy she exists, because she makes me happy.

He knows he has no chance of her returning his affection, or agreeing to be his girlfriend, but he's still in love with her. On the surface that sounds pretty selfless, but look: "she makes me happy". There is still a benefit for him. Still a selfish reason. Check out the livejournal of any poor soul in love with a girl who won't return it, you're bound to find phrases like "she makes me feel x and y", "when I'm with her it's like x and z", and all that. Even if you're in love with someone who doesn't even acknowledge your existence, it's still somewhat selfish because you gain pleasure (even if it's bittersweet) from being in love. None of this is really selfish in the sense of self-centred or greedy, but nonetheless it is still technically selfish.

>>6265232
Moore's law says otherwise, bitch.

>>6265321
If you don't think agape is harmful, you've never seen an overly protective parent.

>>6265363
Ayn Rand Ayn Rand Ayn Rand

>>6265364
Moore's Law is just about number of transistors, nothing else

It says nothing about what can or will be done with those transistors

>>6265364
Moore's law isn't even a "law", merely an observation.

>>6265410
A law generalizes a body of observations. At the time it is made, no exceptions have been found to a law. Scientific laws explain things, but they do not describe them. One way to tell a law and a theory apart is to ask if the description gives you a means to explain 'why'.

>>6265321
>Disgusting in what way?
Disgusting as in she couldn't keep her legs closed until she found someone she really loved. It makes her nothing more than an animal unable to control her instincts.

>And please, 'statistically proven to be more likely to cheat'... come on. You can't quantify the human heart.
Science doesn't lie, no mater what you say it's not going to change that it's true that people that had sex with more than one partner cheat more and have less satisfying marriages. (This counts for both men and women, by the way.)

>Agape isn't selfish
Depends on the definition of agape.
God loves humans just because they are His creation. Isn't this selfish and possessive.

You seem to be under the impression that everything selfish is bad but it's not. Sometimes it's good to be possessive and selfish.

>>6265373
Don't ever mention her again. You have no idea of the kinds of horrors you can unleash by saying that cursed name.

Some relevant information if The Hollow Man is actually not a work of fiction and is real to some degree:

Reality is only such a way because we define reality. If all of humanity was gone, there would be nothing to govern reality and everything would just go away. The "if a tree falls in a forest and no one's around to hear it" thing.

So, you define your reality as you see fit. You interpret the world around you as you see fit according to conventional knowledge of those who came before. If you can define reality as you see fit, you can make your waifu real, at least for you. To make her real for everyone else involves letting all of humanity inside your mind to see her.

Magic exists for those who wish it to exist.

...not that I expect anyone to have read The Hollow Man, but I just finished it and it had a lot of ideas that should be real.

Also, according to the thing...if you focus on another "branch" of reality hard enough, you can exist there. There is a "you" in a "Gensokyo," but it won't be THE you, sitting here right now. You pretty much fragment-hop and transfer what is "you" here into the "you" in the other world.

Pic related in multiple ways: Bern is mai waifu, she is real to me, and she is the result of involuntary fragment hopping.

Some relevant information if The Hollow Man is actually not a work of fiction and is real to some degree:

Reality is only such a way because we define reality. If all of humanity was gone, there would be nothing to govern reality and everything would just go away. The "if a tree falls in a forest and no one's around to hear it" thing.

So, you define your reality as you see fit. You interpret the world around you as you see fit according to conventional knowledge of those who came before. If you can define reality as you see fit, you can make your waifu real, at least for you. To make her real for everyone else involves letting all of humanity inside your mind to see her.

Magic exists for those who wish it to exist.

...not that I expect anyone to have read The Hollow Man, but I just finished it and it had a lot of ideas that should be real.

Also, according to the thing...if you focus on another "branch" of reality hard enough, you can exist there. There is a "you" in a "Gensokyo," but it won't be THE you, sitting here right now. You pretty much fragment-hop and transfer what is "you" here into the "you" in the other world.

Pic related in multiple ways: Bern is mai waifu, she is real to me, and she is the result of involuntary fragment hopping.

>>6265462

lol, okay. There's nothing to argue back with here because you have no real argument for a very simple reason:

>Disgusting as in she couldn't blahblah

Strawman (woman?). Who is "she"?

>it's not going to change that it's true that people

Who are these "people"? Do your statistics account for every single perso who has ever had a relationship on planet Earth since the beginning of civilisation?

You're making claims so sweeping here it's not even funny, and at the same time completely disregarding the innumerable nuances possible in the span of a human life. "until she found someone she really loved."? What? How do you know that? Maybe she was in love at the time? Love can change, that was the entire argument against 3D a few posts back incase you didn't notice. Maybe she was in love with someone who died. Does that mean she should stay celibate forever? I don't even know why I'm humouring this, it's ridiculously infantile.

>>6265528

A better way to illustrate what I meant

Earlier I saw a thread in which some guy mentioned being married at 23, which cued the predictable response of "your life is over", etc etc. So then the discussion led to when people's parents got together and whether it worked out or not. There were two posters whose parents started out very young. In one case they were still happily married, in the other they were divorced and hated each other.

My point is, people and emotions are not something you can quantify. Far more than in physical science or whatever there will ALWAYS be MANY exceptions. Too much can change, too many cases can be exceptional or different. It's not something you can make such ridiculously sweeping generalisations on as you have.

>Disgusting as in she couldn't keep her legs closed until she found someone she really loved. It makes her nothing more than an animal unable to control her instincts.

I know where you're coming from, but I will say this as a 2D-fag, or at least mostly 2D-fag, there are many times when I find the thought of exactly what you've written there inescapably erotic, and I can't help but lust after 3D. The vast majority of us are like this, on both sides of the ocean (just look at all the brothel/fuuzoku threads on Futaba). Why do I lust after it? Because just as you said I am an animal and can't control my instincts. So the die-hard 2D-fags really are some of the most idealistic people of our generation, on the same level (and I'm sorry to say this) with religious nuts. I can't really think of any reason why this would be bad, except that perhaps by denying our animal nature we've set ourselves up to lie to ourselves and live as hypocrites.

Pic incidentally related. Even though they're 3D, aren't traps popular these days because they represent another level of "impossible girl"?

Hoo boy... well it took a long time but I guess the thread has finally dissolved into pointless argument. At least it's relevant though.

Can't we all just love our waifus in harmony?

>>6265557

Marrying love does kill your social life. Hell, being involved in any relationship at all kills your own personal freedom. I'm not willing to sacrifice any of my time/money to do something that someone else wants to do.

>>6265564

Shut up, your waifu is a mouse. Mine is a cat...girl...witch...thing. She has the kitty tail. Name one occasion when a cat lost to a mouse.

>>6265570
>kills your own personal freedom
Freedom to do what? Browse /jp/ listening to Touhou music for 14 hours a day?

>>6265563
Religious nuts actually believe that their gods are real, while 2D fans are aware that it's fake. So it's not a good comparison.

>>6265575
Nazrin takes the lead every time

>>6265462

One more thing

>nothing more than an animal

This is silly anthropocentrism at its finest. "nothing more" than an "animal", lol. So what is "more" than an animal? A human being? What makes us so special? We are animals. The fact we've embellished life with skyscrapers and 4chan and so on doesn't change that. We are all animals. We are all born to fuck and eat and sleep. Nothing more and nothing less.

Which leads to a good tangent.

If you genuinely prefer 2D over 3D, then you are a biological aberration. Hundreds of thousands of years of evolutionary conditioning has not been ended by a decade of the internet. You should want to fuck a woman and impregnate her. It's the closest thing we have to a true purpose in life, really. We have a sex drive in the same way that we have hunger and thirst; it's not something you can conveniently switch off.

And of course, the same goes for homosexuals. Darwinian fuck-ups. Whether it's a bad thing or not, who knows. Maybe there's an evolutionary advantage to it we haven't fully grasped yet.

>>6265586

That's truth for most of /jp/ who does nothing, but I'm out most nights with friends. I have an RP group, an anime club, another RP group, and then I work on weekends and am too tired to do jack shit. the only other nights I'm free are Monday and Tuesday, and I prefer to relax during them.

I have a full social schedule that female companionship would just muck up unless they were willing to join in my interests.

>>6265575
Thomas! You's is goin' outside!

>>6265586
Don't be silly, I do more than browse /jp/. /jp/ doesn't require me to maintain it's relationship with it, I can leave for a couple of days and come back and everything will be the same. Friends will leave you unless you hang out with them every minute of every day.

>>6265593
>What makes us so special?
The fact that we're the ruling species on this planet, for starters.
The fact that we can destroy our own planet, and have the means, at this very second, to kill every single living thing on the planet, sans, perhaps, cockroaches, plankton, and some forms of algae.

>>6265586
Don't be silly, I do more than browse /jp/. /jp/ doesn't require me to maintain its relationship with it, I can leave for a couple of days and come back and everything will be the same. Friends will leave you unless you hang out with them every minute of every day.

>>6265593
If, by this point in time in your life, you haven't realized that most people don't consider humans to be animals despite the biological classification I don't know what to say to you

>>6265557
There's always probabilities involved but that doesn't mean you can't observe patterns and make predictions.

How can you argue against the fact that over half of all marriages end in divorce?

>>6265593
At least homosexuals had a civil rights movement.

That said though, using Darwinian arguments as a basis for a happy life doesn't carry much water I'm afraid, unless we can prove that "biological aberrations" are more likely to be depressed or commit suicide... hmmm, well I don't know.

>>6265600

>>6265605

Oh we have our place, of course. I don't have any problem admitting that, it's just the way humans seem to think every other species is somehow irrelevant.

It's this phrase

>nothing more than an animal

That provoked me. Really, what the fuck? "nothing more than an animal". Canis lupus with its millions of years of history on this planet is nothing more than an animal. The peacock's tail, the giraffe's neck, an eagle in flight -- fuck all that gay shit, they're just animals lolz! We're magical humans -- watch us sit in our rooms and fap 12 hours a day!

Honestly.

>>6265593
Homosexuality is actually a form of population control. That is also why as the amount of children you have increases the chance one of them turns out to be gay increases.

>>6265613

I realised a long time ago, that's why it annoys me so. It's just really really dumb and ignorant.

We're fucking animals, get over it you narcissists.

>>6265613

Marriage is unnatural. It was pretty much institutionalized for people to prove that they can enter civil relationships and such. Humans do not mate for life. That's proof in the concept of dating. Very few people actually marry and stay with the first person they dated for the rest of their lives. The rest of humanity "plays the field." Those of us who have waifus have taken the WOPR route and choose not to play.

>>6265624
Yes, and?
A peacock is just an animal. A giraffe is just an animal. It is our right as the strongest species on the planet, to use your beloved Darwin, to use the weak as we need it.
Because they are just animals, all they are to us are potential food sources.

If our only true purpose is to fuck and reproduce, their only true purpose for us is to eat and be eaten. By us.

Why? Because they're just animals. If they ever figure out how to make hydrogen bombs, or create dens multiple stories in the air, then, maybe, they'll go beyond that animal status. But as it is, they are just petty animals. Admire them all you like, but at the end of the day, they'd still eat their own shit.

>>6265593
Yeah, and that aberration is called autism. Also, I hate the autism meme because nobody is going to take my post seriously now.

>>6265627
That's just plain probability. It's also more likely, the more children that you have, that one of your children will star in an action thriller with Harrison Ford.

>>6265649
Well aren't we full of ourselves? Sorry to break it to you but a life is not determined by it's possible accomplishments.

Also,
>Implying humans are carnivores or omnivores.

IF OP IS STILL THERE I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK
http://item.rakuten.co.jp/hyoutan/6000600092829/

>>6265678
I...
I don't even know what to make of this post.
I'll just report and hide it for /v/.

>>6265649

That's no reason to insult the OP's waifu just because she's a mouse.

>>6265649
>If our only true purpose is to fuck and reproduce, their only true purpose for us is to eat and be eaten. By us.
Where the fuck did you pull that out of?

Our existence does not determine other animal's existences.

>>6265699
>their only true purpose for us
>for us

>>6265693
>I think you're stupid but I have nothing to input so I'll just masquerade as if I'm smarter than him.

>>6265732
k

>>6265681
THANK YOU MY FRIEND

This thread has served its purpose. Can Meido please come delete it to end this retarded arguing?

>>6265766
In the future, next time you want a dakimakura, type in the character name and dakimakura into pixiv.

>>6265818
Not OP, but I found some surprisingly high-res pictures using that method, but there's no way I can get a picture like that, no taller than my desktop printed at reasonable quality, right?

>>6265766
You made it, right?
Tick the box near the OP and then click delete in the lower right hand corner.

>>6265922
You should be able to find a shop or auction somewhere if the pixiv comment mentions it being sold.