/jp/ - Otaku Culture

A group succeeds, clearly nobody will try to compete with them? That's some shaky logic there. Even people are willing to compete with Microsoft.

>>6201314
I really don't care. H scenes are more often than not pretty bad, and such games will almost always be fringe-oriented anyway, hence not officially translated. So yeah, whatever.

I don't see how mangagamer, or anybody for that matter is even in competition with them.

>>6201328
Yeah, Mangagamer translates commercial VNs, these guys translate doujin games. Just because both are featured on /jp/ doesn't make them the same market.

It's nor good nor bad. It happened to catch the normals' attention by being on a popular game distribution service and being slightly different than the usual shooter fare. The goons that translated it know very well this won't happen a second time because the public reaction will be 'oh another one of those weird Japanese games, I'll pass since the last one wasn't anywhere as entertaining as hyped'.

There's no reason to compare the goons with Mangagamer because they translated a little JRPG with a twist while Mangagamer translates what are essentially books. You won't find a book with pictures attracting normals' attention the way Recettear did.

So, for /jp/ and visual novels this whole thing means roughly nothing.

Is the game fun? Y/N?

If yes, translate that shit already.

I am looking forward to seeing what they attempt next.

>>6201333
Except it was featured on every fucking gaming blog when the demo came out and that was before the Steam deal.

So they made around 300,000 - 400,000?

IDK, seems like a decent enough return of investment to me.

bad. if people are content with garbage like this, then what's the point of putting effort into localizing and translating games.

I don't think their next project will be nearly as successful, a lot of people bought this just for the novelty factor.

As long as they choose their next game carefully and fill it with SA memes, they're golden.
Shit will get posted on 4chan, which will create sensation, which will mean more sales.

>>6201357
Most doujinsoft/VN translations suck though, stop patting yourself on the back.

>>6201314
Goons are taking over the Internet! Run for your lives!

Mangagamer is failing by itself since everyone is pirating their translations. And what do you mean by "you can't do that on the internet" attitude?

>>6201358
> As long as they choose their next game carefully and fill it with SA memes, they're golden.
There weren't many SA memes? I can't really think of any SA-exclusive ones in, even.

>>6201357
Word for word what I wanted to say.

>>6201366
So let's reward them for their shit job so that they never bother to improve, since that makes sense.

>>6201357
Keep telling yourself that.

>>6201371
You end up downloading their translations, anyway, right? Most of the fantranslators are just doing it for their ego. Some of the Touhou translations just confuse me, how can they even be close to right?

>>6201380
Downloading free shit =|= giving a monetary reward to goons to encourage continued production of shitty translations.

Sorry, but manufactured memes and viral marketing bug me, as does charging people for an 'internet culture' heavy translation.

>>6201367

>what do you mean by "you can't do that on the internet" attitude?

SA's hivemind condemns any sort of fetish deemed "weird" by normalfags. Basically, they have the common attitude of people that go "OH THEM WACKY JAPS XD". If anyone dares disagree, he is deemed a "pedo" and immediately banned, of course. That's what worries me.

>>6201390
Like I said, it's still the same thing if they aren't being motivated by money. Do you enjoy wanking off some else's ego?

>>6201394
People blatantly use "loli" on their forums and otherwise act like pedos.

>>6201403
You know, I actually haven't played a fantranslation that has as much shit in it that bugs me as Recettear, so I don't really mind 'wanking off someone else's ego,' and if I did I'd just get the translations from a third party source like erogedownload to avoid boosting their download counter. Not that hard.

>fur
what?

Anyway, I'm not one of the suckers, I could tell this was astroturf just looking at the first few threads. Turns out I was right, and not only that, it turns out that the english-language version of the game is a (/b/tarded, written specifically with getting their marketing campaign for free on 4chan in mind) rewrite rather than a translation.

>>6201420
Are bothered by the viral or the translation? The only legitimate complaint I have heard about memes are "son of a submariner" and "what is this I don't even" and then they hint that there are a hundred more without naming any of them.

>>6201430
It's a localisation, not a translation. That's the point.

>>6201445
The memes they created for the viral are the most irritating. Yatta doesn't translate as 'Yayifications,' and 'Capitalism Ho!' was also something they made up to suit their tactics. Looking at how much retarded shit they made Recette say that doesn't really come off as unusual or dumbass dialogue in the raw, they changed the tone of her character around enough to bother me, and it was for the purpose of creating memes to astroturf and viral market. That's a fucked up marketing strategy that shows they don't give a shit about their customers other than maximizing the number shelling out.

>>6201461
Right, and the direction they took the localization in was one that many people didn't like.

>>6201326
If you think H scenes are often bad, you haven't been playing the right H-games.

>>6201461
And that's NOT a good thing, that's the point. It's lazy and obnoxious.

Go suck their toothpick-dicks again someplace else.

ITT /jp/ being buttmad something /jp/ related is popular outside of /jp/. Happens every time.

>>6201445
There's barely any memes, trolls just need something to troll about. Though they have a legitimate complaint in the liberties they took in the translations, they haven't actually played the game so they're just trusting what everyone else is complaining about.

>>6201466

Right, because any attempts of localizing a word that does not come off as a exact replica of the original japanese meaning, which is near impossible in most cases, means it's sure a shift in direction towards viral market, coming from a group that wasn't expecting to make more than 5k units.

Sure thing bro. Even Atlus when localizing games resort to made up expressions every once in a while, hell fucking Phoenix Wright has this shit. If you are that bothered by this I suggest playing japanese games with a dictionary, or learning the fucking language, but complaining that everything isn't the same as the original is demanding the impossible.

>>6201503
>>6201506
You make it sound like a loose translation, when all you did was buy the rights to the engine and the graphics and then wrote the dialog again from scratch in 4chan-specific /b/tardese

>>6201506
Did you read my post, or did you skim it while already deciding which buttmad arguments to throw at me? If you are trying to claim goons didn't astroturf and try to spark a viral reaction with "Yayifications" and "Capitalism Ho!" then you're one of them, obviously. I scanlate, I understand the difficulties inherent in the translation process, but I also understand the ethical integrity that SHOULD be required when you're telling people that you translated something for them and they have no way of confirming whether or not you just rewrote it to suit yourself.

>>6201503
>haven't actually played
This argument is the stupidest one I've ever heard, and it keeps coming up everywhere these days. I played through the main game once, paid off my debt, got sick of goofy mad up words, and decided I was glad I didn't pay for the shit.

>>6201525

What. That's not even remotely true. At least do some research before you try to troll terribly, please.

>>6201525
It is very obvious to anyone who has played the game that it is not, and that there is nothing wrong with the translation. But if some people actually prefer a nearly-machine translated script full of awkward lines like "I guess it can't be helped," then they have the right to complain that "yatta" wasn't translated" as "yay" every time she says it, as retarded as that makes them. You have to expect that anything remotely popular is going to be trolled, especially on /jp/ - my argument here is that the fact that people complain that the script is "full of memes" is absolutely ridiculous.

>>6201394
And how is that attitude going to spread across the internet if a bunch of goons managed to make a commercially successful release of a Japanese doujin game?

Explain step 2 please:
1) Release localization of Japanese doujin game.
2) ???
3) Take over the internet!

>>6201536
bullshit.

>>6201532

Maybe not to suit themselves but their target market? Perhaps you are right. They added those lines that specific way to appeal to the people they wanted to sell the product. But isn't that the whole point of doing a localization? Making the product seem more familiar to the people you are presenting it for, even if it's not 100% accurate and does differ a bit from the original?

>>6201553
Right, but stating that it's an overly loose translation that focused too much on creating catch phrases and not enough on preserving the original tone of the lines is NOT absolutely ridiculous. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a well-written rewrite from the ignorant consumer's point of view, but that doesn't make it good practice.

>>6201567
It's overly localized and in a direction I don't like. That's it. I'm not claiming these guys are the scum of the Earth or anything, but it's getting old that everyone jumps down my throat when I refuse to suck Carpe Fulgur dick along with everyone else.

bullshit bullshit BULLSHIT

A REWRITE IS NOT IN ANY WAY A TRANSLATION, EVEN A LOOSE ONE, JUST BECAUSE YOU MARKET IT AS SUCH

GOD DAMN YOU FAGS ARE SHAMELESS

>>6201570

It's really not. The translation stays faithful to the original script, and while there is the occasional silly phrase like yayifications, it has nothing to do with /b/ or 4chan memes, at all. I know it's really cool to hate it right now and all, but you're just making false claims.

>>6201586
no you are, because you have money in it

so sue me, yet-another-kimmo-clone

>>6201577
I'm fine with that, the localization is to one's tastes and everyone is going to react to it differently. Out of curiosity, though, how much of the original tone did they change? By translating "yatta" to "yayifications," what did they change Recette into? Is she supposed to be something other than a cute little girl?

>>6201606
>Capitalism, ho!

A fucking little girl doesn't say things like that.

>>6201577

Honestly giving the literacy depth of a game like Recettear I don't think much was lost, especially since most of the catchphrases came from simple sound expressions.

>>6201606
they wrote it from scratch, dude
she's cracky-chan now

>>6201609

Provide solid evidence of this claim. Have you heard every single thing every little girl in the world has ever said? If not, how can you be so certain?

>>6201606
They made her seem much more ditzy and airheaded, she wasn't a genius in the original, but she wasn't fucking Rain Man like she is in the localized version. It's just a step or two further than I'm willing to pay people to do. I wouldn't put up with the liberties they took in a translation of a novel at the bookstore, so why would I pay twice as much for this crap in a video game?3

>>6201627
>I wouldn't put up with the liberties they took in a translation of a novel at the bookstore, so why would I pay twice as much for this crap in a video game?

You would be surprised. And when was the last time you bought a novel? They certainly aren't 9.99 anymore.

>>6201614
So if there isn't much to it, they're free to rewrite as they please? Sorry, but the level of localization and rewrite shenanigans I'm willing to tolerate is pretty low, and it doesn't scale based on whether something is 'high art' or not.

>>6201620

>Devil's Proof

Keep classy, /jp/

>>6201609
My little sister thought it was funny when she watched me play the demo.

>>6201627

Whether you buy the game or not is something only you can decide, but it's a fact that you're really complaining about a couple of lines changed for a character in a game that's not plot-heavy at all. To most people, that is likely to seem insignificant.

>>6201620
trolling 101, lesson 18, "challenge any true statement with impossible demands"

the definitive original script's only available with the original game, if it even exists. I'd never heard of it before you started trying to cram it down our throats on the assumption we're all leejun that automatically assign 100% credibility to anonymous forum posts on the internet

>>6201638

So can you provide a counter-argument? Your greentext and memes don't count as one, you know.

How the fuck are people complaining about taking "liberties with the translation" when the ORIGINAL AUTHORS ENDORSED THE CHANGES?

It's not like they pulled a Robotech or something.

>>6201635
Eh, 12 versus 20 boils down to 'twice as much' unless you're being nitpicky. And no, I wouldn't be surprised, because the Japanese shit I buy in translation is usually well received by knowledgable folks in the community before I pay for it (the guy that does Haruki Murakami's stuff in particular is damn good).

>>6201639
And the fact that you're willing to get angry about my dislike of the localization for hours on end is something only you can decide.

>>6201639
to most lady-gaga leejun, you mean

you're cheap-ass viral marketers, it's offensive

>>6201609
They also don't run item shops. Is that part a rewrite too?

>>6201627
Again, I'm not arguing with your right to hate the game, if you hate the localization then there's nothing anyone can say about it. I have no knowledge of the original Japanese scripts outside of the voice cuts that were left in the game, but are you trying to say that Recette wasn't fulfilling the clumsy little girl stereotype? She wasn't supposed to come off as an opposite of Tear? They really changed her from being completely normal to a little silly?

>>6201637

>So if there isn't much to it, they're free to rewrite as they please?

Pretty much. Simple expressions with broad interpretations such as "yatta" are the perfect target to change the text and localize it, suiting your target audience better. But well, that is if you want to localize it enough, keep in mind that I respect your position of lowest interference the better.

>>6201648

I'm sorry if I seemed angry at all, I'm quite calm, actually. In fact, you're the one who seems very upset about the "liberties" CF took with the translation that are really just a couple of silly lines being added in. You keep fitting into the stereotype of the angry weeaboo more and more, as much as I hate to admit it.

>>6201646
they did. Or who knows.

They post as multiple different people everywhere this game is even discussed

>>6201620
"Capitalism, ho!" sounds like something an old man would say to be honest. Here's the original script, she says: "I wonder how much I would sell this for.."

Just out of curiosity, what was the literal translation of the OP's screenshot? I must know.

>>6201639
I'm a professional translator. Call me idealistic, if you wish, but I can't help but feel bothered by people achieving exposure and money through obvious warping of the text.
I haven't posted anything juvenile like LOL GTFO GOON DEVS, but I still think it's not how things should be done.

>>6201663
>weeaboo
5/10, now suck mine

TROLL THREAD about a piece of shovelware, let it die.

>>6201656

>I'm a professional translator.

guffaw

>I can't help but feel bothered by people achieving exposure and money through obvious warping of the text

I'm still not seeing your logic here. How exactly are they getting money from the warping of text? I doubt less people would buy the game if it lacked yayifications. Are you saying the translation doesn't sound bad enough (as most literal translations do) to sell badly? I really don't understand.

>>6201660
Oh, right I remember her saying that, I never thought the screen would have said the exact same thing.

>>6201660
>"I wonder how much I should sell this for.."

>>6201675
Do not talk about Recettear that way, you fag.

>>6201678
＞I doubt less people would buy the game if it lacked yayifications.
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　ｈａｄｎ’ｔ　ｕｓｅｄ　ｔｈａｔ　ｌｉｎｅ　ｔｏ　ａｓｔｒｏｔｕ
ｒｆ　ｔｈｅ　ｆｕｃｋ　ｏｕｔ　ｏｆ　ｔｈｉｓ　ｇａｍｅ．

>>6201675
I can't, my job depends on it.

OH FUCKING DAMMIT I AM SO ANGRY I NEED SOMETHING TO VENT OFF MY ANGER

>>6201660
They did translate it that way. Does she say the same thing every time?

>>6201690
oh god greentext without the green?

>>6201660
This is not the untranslated text of the OP's screenshot. There are several sayings that go in that spot, not just "Capitalism, ho!" One of the things is "How much should I...?" which would be this one's translation.

>>6201710
It's because he's using a different font, it doesn't detect.

>>6201717

>­It's because he's using a different font, it doesn't detect.

You're not too bright, are you?

>>6201609
This is probably why I'll end up playing the game.

Can someone post some real examples of completely rewritten scenes? All I ever see are attacks on Yayifications and "take my word for it, it's rewritten" bullshit.

>>6201746

There aren't any. Don't fall for the trolls. The translation is faithful to the original, aside from the mild complaints that have already been addressed in this thread.

>>6201746
there's no way to do that, cap'n
just depends who you trust more, the bitches or the whores

>>6201756
>the trolls
Call anybody who criticizes you a troll

>>6201704
The other one is this, it's basically the same shit except you buy from other people. I usually only pay attention to the dialogue and not much to automated texts such as these unless it's crucial. But what is being translated in your shot is what recetta says in voice; "ikura de shiyou kana". The translation in your pic is more natural and better than my literal to the point of course, but I wouldn't add any of my own shit like >>6201314 which could change the whole tone of the dialogue. (I mean, how many young klutz girls know about capitalism?)

Not that I care about Carpe Fulgur's translations though. I'm actually quite happy for those who get to play these games.

>>6201772
Feel free to provide said evidence and prove you aren't.

>>6201796
there's no way to do that, cap'n

you made sure of that, so we either have to take your word for it or make up our own minds

>>6201794
The English version has the buy one translated too. So there's only 1 phrase that ever shows up when you sell things?

>>6201796
what evidence do you want? That people are annoyed with the translators making shit up? There are a lot of that around this thread, just read it.

>>6201826
No, they want side by sides of dozens of examples. Nothing less than hours of research, screenshotting, comparative translation, and photoshopping the side by sides together will convince them, but we're the trolls.

>>6201794
Do we really have to argue about what a "young klutz girl" is going to say? What basis of a "young klutz girl" are we using here? It's a cute and silly little phrase fitting for the character. Now, if all she really ever says is "I wonder how much this would sell," and they translated it two ways, one more literal and another edited, and it pisses you off to the point where you don't even want to play the game, that's fine. But how is the original tone changed so drastically by dumb little lines like this?

>>6201826

No, evidence of completely rewritten scenes like what the above poster asked for. There is no such thing as there are no rewritten scenes. It's really not hard.

MAN FUCK THOSE BAKA GAIJINS WHO DUBBED DUEL MASTERS AND GHOST STORIES I'LL FUCKINC MURDER THEM FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE ORIGINAL SCRIPT AS CLOSELY AS FUCKING POSSIBLE THOSE KISAMA YATSU TACHIS

>>6201912

typical /v/tards