/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I never liked Lunar.
Generic story, shitty battle system where you can only control 1 character.
At least Lunar 2 was much better.

It's only notable because the Saturn was such shit otherwise.

>>6078450

Actually I played the PS1 versions, is that a good or bad thing?

Pic related. I don't care if it's not a "true" RPG.

>>6078337
>Generic story, shitty battle system where you can only control 1 character.

Did we play the same game? I'm pretty sure you can control the actions of all the characters in your party save for guest party members.

Yeah you can control all your characters in Lunar. You wouldn't stand a chance against the final boss if you couldn't, quite frankly.

>>6078327
>>Generic story, shitty battle system
I'll agree with that much, although shitty because it was rather bland and uninspired. Then again, it was originally released back in the Sega Genesis days from what I remember, and back then the RPG genre was still only just coming into its own.

Good JRPGs?

I don't think you could control everybody in the original Saturn version. Or maybe it was something else, because the original Silver Star's combat was shitty.

But man, I don't think anybody in the world could make a more entertaining game than Game Arts at its prime.

I haven't played FF7 in years.

>>6078563

*original Sega CD version

I've been thinking of doing a Suikoden marathon recently (without 4, I'm not maso).

I thought the first Lunar was boring.

Played the fuck out of Eternal Blue though.

>>6078584
3 sucks too. On its own it is not bad, but it pales in comparison to 1, 2 and 5.

>>6078594
Sorry but I love 3.

>>6078584
Complete Suikoden 2 finishing everything in one playthrough. Don't let other say it's impossible for you to do all the side quests while trying to do Clive's quest at the same time.

It's possible. I've done it once before.

>>6078591
>Played the fuck out of Eternal Blue though.
What's so different about it?

>>6078622
Longer, better story.

>>6078622
Better characters, better battler system, no forced romances everywhere, much more shits to do.

>>6078337
>where you can only control 1 character

Confirmed for having never played.

Was anyone else disappointed with the PSP remake? Ghaleon's voice should have been so much more fabulous.

>>6078660

But then people would have complained the remake made him "gay."

Slayers on the Snes.

It hasn't aged well though.

The game with the loveliest sprite ever.

We desperately need Eternal Blue on PSN. We also need games like Xenogears that have been released in Japan for quite some time now.

>>6078591
Eternal Blue was great.

I wasn't a big fan of Lucia, but pretty much every other character was lots of fun in that game. Ronfar obviously being the best.

One of the few game genres that is actually still good (like STGs).

Isn't it sad how most JRPGs that are released nowadays don't actually come from Japan? How the mighty have fallen.

>>6079078
One day I'll finally stop being so apathetic towards my Wii and buy Muramasa.

I liked both Lunar games. Of course I'm old enough I played them when they first came out and were best appreciated.

>>6078327
yes

I remember.

Remember when Sega released good games in Japan AND America?

I played both Eternal Blue and Silver Star Story and enjoyed them at the time, but I don't remember anything from them. Suikoden was great until 4, Tactics was okay, but I didn't bother with 5.

Star Ocean III is still my favourite. Nel is mai waifu, even if she is a lesbian.

>>6079295
Suikoden 5 > Suikoden 3. It's worth a shot.

>>6078721
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv9Uzi9ErOg

Ghaleon was always "gay."

>>6079295
Don't be silly. She's bi.

Speaking of Star Ocean, I just borrowed 4 from a friend. Holy fuck is the voice acting atrocious.

>>6079340
Probably you got the one for the 360.

>>6079321
2 is still the best

>>6079351
Yea. Don't have a PS3.

>>6079333
Ahh I nostalgiaed at the horrid voice acting and off synch lip movement.

>>6078584
Seriously, why all the hate for Suiko4? Sure, it's not that great of a game, but the soundtrack is mindblowing and there's alot of fanservice for Suikoden fans

>>6079479
Tedious boat travel automatically makes it shit tier

Anyone remembered and played Wild Arms? 2 Was my favorite because of my waifu.

Speaking mostly about Tales of Phantasia / Destiny but older JRPGs in general, what I missed most are hand painted backgrounds.

>>6078327
I've played plenty of JRPGs in the past few years I thought were good. Or at the very least not bad.

>>6079705
Yup it's one of my favorite series.

I miss cutscenes. I hate how every cutscene is rendered in-game. A cutscene is supposed to look awesome. If it's just going to look the same as gameplay then why even put a cutscene in to begin with.

Don't mind me, just being the best star ocean.

JRPGs have been all downhill since FF7 and Xenogears.

The last glory games I remember from the PSX generation were Suikoden I & II.

>>6079745
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPI_QuRz0pk

FF7 cutscenes involving WEAPONS are all god tier.

I miss PSX. I feel like playing Brave Fencer Musashi.

>Remember when JRPGs were good?
Yes, a few months ago when I played Tales of Vesperia and Lost Odyssey.
>>6079749
>JRPGs have been all downhill since FF7 and Xenogears.
>everything was better when I was 12
Xenogears is and always was a piece of garbage.

>>6079746
ITs great but I still love 3. Even with the gay plot twist

>>6079745
>If it's just going to look the same as gameplay then why even put a cutscene in to begin with.
>>6079749
>JRPGs have been all downhill since FF7

Is Nanami waifu material?

>>6079802
You misunderstand.
I am not saying they were the last great games.
I am saying FF7 and Xenogears heralded the beginning of the end. They were the cancer that killed the JRPG.

>>6078584
I just got done with 1 2 and 5

Suikoden is extremely underrated.

>>6079824
Man I remember when I first beat Suikoden II I didn't even think to go back to Tenzan Pass to meet Jowy. I forgot his promise. He died there all alone, forsaken by all his friends and family. The one thing he depended on is that I would never forget.

And I did.

>>6079802
There are still great ones on every system.

>>6079824
But she's deader than dead.

>>6079860
She's not dead unless you didn't get the true end.

>>6079824
No, but Millie is.

There will never be a proper continuation of the Suikoden series.

sadfrog.jpg

>>6078327
I was just playing P3P, and it's better than any 90's JRPG except for maybe tactics and IX (2000 but whatever).

>>6079881
I've always wanted to make a Suikoden style game using Touhou as a base.
Because recruiting every Touhou into a single army would be pretty god damn amazing.

I just realized that I spent most of my summer going back and playing older JRPGs.

Eternal Blue was awesome. I remember getting it on accident as a birthday present. The game I wanted wasn't in so my mom got EB for me as a replacement. Best mistake ever. Great ride all the way through, and the epilogue section after the main game added a good deal of extra play time and wrapped things up nicely.

Went back and played Breath of Fire III again recently. Another RPG that I loved years ago. I even remember skipping school once to stay home and play it. Dragon system was incredible to me at the time. I wish they'd make another BoF, especially since I'm one of the few out there that liked Dragon Quarter.

Dug out my Dreamcast and fired up Grandia II. Quite possibly my favorite JRPG ever. Great battle system, entertaining characters, and a nice story. It blew me away the first time I played it. Downloaded the first one off of PSN and loved that too.

Still need to finish Suikoden 5. Every time I start it up I get overwhelmed by the sheer amount of things to do and end up playing something else. One day I'll sit myself down and finish it, as I do enjoy it every time I turn it on.

Also, while not exactly "old" I started playing the first Ar Tonelico recently. Not too far, but I'm liking it at the moment. How are the other ones in the series?

watching JRPGs fade away is painful. some games get me so nostalgic..

>>6079885
I didn't like the first AT much, but II is pretty good.

>>6079884
I think it would be entertaining.

although i think it would just end up as a miserable pile of moe and no delicious politics.

>>6079882
>P3P is better than any 90's JRPG
ugh come on man, Persona 3 is not very good. And I'm not even nostalgiafagging.

>>6079891
It has more roleplaying than any of those older RPGs and a great sound track.

I could never get into the Star Ocean games. Even the one people tend to consider the best, 2, felt pretty mediocre and uninteresting as a whole to me. Characters were interesting, but I found everything else fairly dull, and most battles came down to simply spamming the same KM over and over.

I finished 1 and 2 and got halfway through 3, but then realized I wasn't having much fun. Maybe I'll go back and beat it one day.

All the people who think modern JRPGs aren't good must be looking at the old ones with rose-coloured glasses, because there is really nothing better about them.

>>6079897
Persona doesn't have roleplaying, it doesn't matter what you choose, your social link will level up anyway. It might take a little longer if you are a dick, but that is it, or you might be just friends with a girl instead of lovers in Persona 4, but that is like saying Tales of Symphonia has roleplaying. The soundtrack is also nowhere near as good as Meguro's other works, or a lot of older jrpgs.

The best.

>>6079877

>>6079890
Well, that's assuming you leave Gensokyo as is.
You'd have to shake it up, otherwise it would be too predictable. You'd just go game by game conquering factions.
The best option would be some kind of cataclysm, maybe the barrier weakened and Gensokyo merged with another world partway. That way you could break up the factions some, the disaster spreading everything to the four winds. Sort of like the cataclysm in FF3/6.
After all you'd need to provide some kind of impetus for every Touhou to work together anyway, and give a main character (hurr Reimu) a reason to gather everyone and restore order.
That way there'd be infighting along the way; like Remilia would probably try to use the disaster to make a power grab, but the SDM may not be whole. Meiling might be guarding a human village now in exchange for food and quarter. (Welcome to HumanVillage!)
I'd gladly write/design the shit out of the game, but I can't code or do sprite art.

>>6079912
>All the people who think modern JRPGs aren't good must be looking at the old ones with rose-coloured glasses, because there is really nothing better about them.
I agree in general, though I do think newer jrpgs are a bit too otaku-ish. Like I said earlier, I loved Vesperia and Lost Odyssey, and since Suikoden is being discussed here I'll compare it to S2 (one of my favourite games so maybe I am a little biased) but in terms of plotline, I think Suikoden 2 is way better, but in terms of gameplay, both Vesperia and LO destroy Suikoden 2.

>>6079914
But even that is still more roleplaying than the majority of JRPGs released in the 90s.

>>6079934
>newer jrpgs are a bit too otaku-ish.
I'm not really sure what you mean by this, but was Demon's Souls too 'otaku-ish'? How about Eternal Sonata? These were pretty fun JRPGs I thought.

>>6079944
>But even that is still more roleplaying than the majority of JRPGs released in the 90s.
Not when Persona 3 just felt like a copy of Azure Dreams, only less fun. Thousand Arms let's you date girls. I thought Thousand Arms sucked, dating girls doesn't make the game better.

>>6079915

>Xenogears

>The best

If you like playing as an overbearing Moralfag who manages to be even worse than Shirou,sure.

Now this is a real mans game.

>>6080003
I tried to play persona 4 and I dropped the game after putting 30 hours on it. It's the same fucking shit the whole damn game. I would rather just play it for the social links only, but the combat was terrible. The dungeons are the worst I have seen in any game.

The soundtrack was pretty repetitive as well. Oh well, it can't be helped.

>>6080025
Are you trying to turn this into a persona 3 vs persona 4 thread? I'm not playing that game, that shit is fucking annoying.

>>6080025
>It's the same fucking shit the whole damn game.
Kinda like Clannad.

>>6080041
No, I'm just saying persona 4 sucked. I don't know about 3. Everybody tells me its a better game but it has the same combat and dungeons.

Maybe its because of the story? 4 had absolutely NOTHING going on. 30 hours in the game with no plot development at all.

But oh well, I heard 2 was the best in the series. It can't be helped.

>>6080054
translation : yes I am

>>6080054
>30 hours in the game with no plot development at all.
Do you enjoy grossly over-exaggerating things to make your point?

>>6080053
But ones a visual novel and the other is a jrpg/dating sim

>>6080060
I've never played persona 3 though. I'm just going by what people tell me about the franchise.

And from my experience with 4 really doesn't give me a positive outlook on the franchise.

Maybe I should have started on 3. Oh well, it can't be helped.

>>6079739
Oh cool. Another WA fan. 'Tis a shame the series has gone in limbo since 5.

The intros, gotta love the intros.

>>6080070

He may be exaggerating a bit, but he does have a point. For the majority of the first half of P4 you're pretty much just running around and chasing smoke. It isn't until Naoto joins that things start to actually move on plot wise and you come somewhat closer to actually figuring out the real deal behind everything.

Though the same could be said for P3 as well, though a lot more subtle hints are dropped throughout the way.

>>6080054
>But oh well, I heard 2 was the best in the series.

The first three persona games before 3 and 4 were FAR different and very worth playing. 3 and 4 are pandering to a sad audience who need friends.

>>6080085
>>6079739
>>6079705

I bought 2 off of PSN recently but it's aged so badly...In my opinion anyway. Graphics don't really bother me, but everything just seems so slow. Wish it would have gotten an updated remake like 1 did.

>>6080077
>>6080054
>>6080025
May I ask how you got your PS2 emulator to run smoothly?

>>6080070
I stopped at Naotos dungeon since I was tired of doing the same shit over and over.

At that point of the game I don't see how you can call anything development. You still don't know shit about anything going on and its just all random guesses.

>>6080085
I think it's pretty consistently good series actually.

Sorta like Suikoden. Only "bad" one was the forth one.

>>6080105
See
>>6080093

You stopped just before the part where things start moving along.

>>6080101
I pirated Persona 1 and it is a worthless piece of garbage. I think P3 is pretty meh and mostly a waste of time, but it's still better than that trash.

oh well this thread is becoming a persona thread now, so I'm leaving

>>6080104
I didn't even do anything special. It's all running at stock settings, except the recommended speed hacks.

I was able to finish suikoden 5 with no issues at all.

e8400 core 2 duo 3ghz
4g ram
ati 5770
win7 64b

>>6080121
Well I'm sorry that I need to put 30 hours into a game so I can just get some sort of hint of the plot so I can continue with the same dull dungeons until the end boss.

Shit, I thought suikoden 5 took forever to start up.

My beloved PSX game, too bad it has Chaos Wars/Arc Rise Fantasia level dubs.

>>6080137

Na, it's cool if you didn't like. I'm not too fond of 4 either. Just pointing that out in case you ever feel the need to go back to it. At least now you know when exactly things start moving.

>>6080161
>Chaos Wars
Thank god they included dual audio, or I don't think I could've cleared that despite how much I love Shadow Hearts 2.

>>6080123
Not the PSX version of Persona 1. That was horrible.

>>6080161

>Arc Rise Fantasia

I need to get back to this. Had it since release but only put about ten hours into it before moving onto something else. Dub aside, I was enjoying it though, and I'm not sure why I stopped playing.

Maybe when I'm done with Ar Tonelico I'll get back to it. But Birth by Sleep comes out on Tuesday...Hmmm.....

>>6080180
*localised PSX version

>>6079802
>Xenogears
>garbage

Did we play the same game?
Remember, Xenosaga is not Xenogears. Maybe that's what you thought of as the piece of garbage.

It depends on your definition of JRPG.

If by JRPG you mean "standard fantasy setting where you're the son of a legendary hero, embark on an epic journey recruiting allies from various subcultures along the way while enjoying turn-based combat and random encounters" then yes, the genre has been on life support this entire generation. At least there will always be the Dragon Quest series.

If by JRPG you take the more literal approach and mean "any type of RPG from Japan" then no, I do not think the genre is dying. If anything it's doing better than ever with games like Demon's Souls, a third-person RPG with a unique multiplayer experience, known for it's unforgiving difficulty and dark atmosphere; Monster Hunter, a cleverly disguised pseudo-MMO boss rush that relies more on your skill, tactics, and knowledge rather than your time spent grinding to get a statistical advantage; and Valkyria Chronicles, an SRPG/FPS hybrid that's probably the first time the entire SRPG genre has ever felt like it was pushing forward and evolving rather than just copy/pasting the same rules and mechanics that have been around for ages.

>>6080342
Why do people always imply Demon's Souls is difficult? It's not that hard.

>>6080349
They are the same people who say Monster hunter is difficult, in both of those games you simply have to proceed with caution and memorize enemy movements.

>>6080108
I like WA3 the most. I can't go past the 1st town in 4 because it's shit and i'm playing 5 from time to time but I can't say that i really like it.

Also anyone else played WA:XF? shitty menus,voice acting,decent music,difficult missions. I liked it

Anyone played Tales of Symphonia : Dawn of the New World in Dolphin? Does anyone know how do I emulate the movement of wii remote for this minigame?

>>6080373
I played WA3 once, but got stuck in one of the dungeons.Granted I was playing a bunch of other games, it got swept into the wayside. And I was still in the early parts so the story hasn't picked up yet so I lost interest.

Need to get back to it someday. Probably the one that represents the Wild, Wild West theme the best.

Infinite Space (DS) and Nier (PS3) were the two good JRPGs I played and enjoyed this year.

Fuck yeah sci-fi RPG with boy turning into manly lead and incest end, this is why VN companies should make more JRPGs.

>>6080695
I need to scrounge up some money for Nier. I've listened to the OST a few times and love what I hear.

JRPGs have been shit since FF9

>>6080695
I'm stuck at the second world, I've read someone should come to my help against a scripted battle but no one comes and the boss rapes me. Is there anything I need to do before?

Oh and does Infinite Space have routes or is it pretty much linear?

>>6082805

>JRPGs have been shit since FF7

Fixed

I don't think any other JRPG will made me feel what I felt when Cecil became a paladin in FF4.

>>6082936
FF7 was shit. Oh wait, Ive been trolled.

>>6082989
You are the worst kind of nostalgiafag and you should feel bad about yourself.

Seriously, FF fucking 4? That's like waxing about the great plot development and characterization in He-Man cartoons.

>>6080342

This.

But I still miss King's Field and Shadow Tower and some older ones... DS is just not the same.

>>6082812

Infinite Space is filled with different routes and choices.

>>6083021
I never said it was a masterpiece. It'sjust that for me, personally, FF4 will be a game that I will remember forever. It was my first significant JRPG.

I never liked Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger because I dislike the design of the main character's sprite

>>6083019

I didn't mean to include 7 in my original statement. Perhaps I should have worded that better.

I think it is safe to assume that Seiken Densetsu 3 is the greatest jrpg ever made

>>6080695
Nier is awesome, it's the most underrated game this year. I still wish we got the Japanese PS3 version instead of Gestalt for both systems. Replicant is the true version.

>>6083069
It's one of my favorite games ever, but I wouldn't say it is the best.

>Infinite Space
Holy shit, this looks awesome. Too bad I don't have a DS...

>>6080695
The battle system killed it for me.

Seriously, it was all:

back, back , back
forward, forward , forward
small attack (because the big one miss in 90% the cases)
defence
repeat

And the battle can take forever, even if you skip the whole animations. Yeah, the story seemed nice and the big space etc. but jesus fuck, what an annoying battle system.

I can't play a game with such shitty gameplay even if it has a nice story. I play games for gameplay, if I want a good story I read an ero or a book.

>>6083088

You could always...emulate it.

>jrpg thread
No shining force.I'm very dissapointed in you,/jp/

>>6083095
Yeah, I know. Last time I checked, DS emulation was too underdeveloped, though. Will give it a try again, do you recommend any emulators?

> JRPG thread
> no SMT
What is this I don't even

You guys can just get the SD3 patched rom and play it 3 player online with Kaillera and SNES9x. I think that was all it took.
I've played it online many times before, it is a lot of fun to play that and SoM with 2 other players.

>>6083097
>>6083122
you could just mention them instead of going out of your way to bitch about no one has mentioned them

>>6083103
No$gba 2.6 along with No$zoomer or DeSmuME.

>>6083021
Fuck you. FF4 is awesome.

So are there any good engines out there to build your own RPGs?
If not, how hard are they to code anyway? Seems like most of the work is in the writing and art.

Terra -fucking- Nigma.

>>6083168
RPG Maker, if you don't mind SNES-level graphics and a lot of work to make the battle system not boring (by default, it's like dragon quest/shin megami tensei where you just see the enemies and not your party), but I've seen games where using a combination of battle background with sprites and attack animattion you could give the illusion of third-person classic view.
Must have been a hell to code though, and it allows zero party flexibility since the sprite are directly on the background.

>>6083335
I've seen some really nice stuff made with RPG Maker, though it's hard to tell if that's because of the program or the creator.
The packages' sprites, map tiles, menus, music, and sounds are basically designed for direct nostalgia appeal. Nothing really stands out as especially great, but that's not the point of it. It's just overall good quality stuff that might make you miss the SNES jRPGs.

>>6083310
>Level 27
>300/300
That's just fucking crazy.

Holy fuck PS1 games are expensive now
Guess I'll just go pirate them

>>6083602
You may as well, it's not like the developers would get any money even if you bought them.

I am Knight Blazer. Are you a boss?---wait, your music is shit. Let me change that.

>>6079884
>>6079890
>>6079919

Are you guys gonna do it?

>>6083748
I wish I could do it.
I've even been thinking about how it might be nice for it to not have equipment, and instead you find lost spellcards for new moves/stat boosts.
I also think there would have to be support characters instead of make everyone a full combat character.
I'd rather combat be more like Saga Frontier 1, with the LP system, so any random encounter system could be designed to be challenging rather than weak ass monsters mobbing you to wear you down. Maybe Saga Frontier style combos too, alongside Suikoden style combos.

>>6079915

>>6084507
Though I just realized how unusual it would be to have any Touhous who could heal.
Patchouli has Photosynthesis.
Eirin would naturally have healing abilities.
But 2/100+ characters having heals is really short, even with items.

ITT nothing but

>>6084613

Time for you to head back to /v/.

>>6083431
http://www.nealien.com/Everlong/features.php

http://www.rpgrevolution.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t35674.html

>>6083714
Gotta pair it up with this.

>>6083714
Could the Knight Blazer theme overwrite trombe?

>>Lord Blazer theme
>>rearranged by the god-tier Ryo Yonemitsu
>>sax makes my penis instantly explode into a million pieces

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhLfLUtBZA4

>>6084777
Agreed. Everything is better with brass instruments. That's why it still stands that the WA2 intros had superior instrumental renditions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JfCYgxrQ_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JfCYgxrQ_M

Waiting for Etrian Odyssey 3 and Rorona. Anything else good coming out?