/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Capelets are my forbidden fruit.

I've actually been thinking about cross dressing ever since I read Kira Kira. I have rather feminine facial features and almost no beard growth etc. So I could probably be a very convincing trap if I wanted to. I would probably only do it for ego though.

>>6032785
Any reason is a good reason.

Skirts and one piece dresses are wonderful.

>>6032785
I think you should do it. Anyways, anyone know some good exercises for getting a slightly more trap-ish figure? I already have one, but I'd like to improve it a little.

I usually wear fairly baggy jeans, sometimes skinny jeans, long oversized t-shirts or vests with a "waterfall" cardigan over the top, I may look into some necklaces and braclets soon. It's just a nice causal style.

>>6032785
Would you also do it to get sex? Because I sort of want to try that.

>>6032826
Unless you need to lose weight, the best thing to do would be not exercise at all.

>>6032845
That's a shame. I wanted a nicer ass.

my incredibly useful hair removal guide from part 1:

some years ago i simply tried burning some hair off with a lighter
this worked pretty nicely for me
over 90% of the hair in the area permanently gone and pristine skin
but i guess if you don't do it right its easy to either burn your skin or don't kill the hair first try
(no to mention its extremely time-consuming)

so if you can get the money somehow... better let a professional do it

>>6032835
With a guy? Nah not really, though I have noticed a lot of guys giving me meaninful looks if you know what I mean. I might be rather feminine in appearance but I'm pretty sure I'm straight. Too bad I'm not gay.

>>6032886
That defeats the entire purpose of being a trap.

I crossdressed with my mother clothes.
I'm.
Should I kill myself?

I liek Sukumizu.

>>6032899
Mmm I disagree. Even though I have no intention of having sex with guys I still feel a sense of fullfilment when somebody considers me attractive, regardless of gender.

>>6032876
Don't we all. There might be some exercises you can do to tone your ass, but I don't know about them. Or you could use pads.

>>6032905
>I'm 25
fuck shit I fail at writing
brb taller

>>6032886
That's sad.

best thread on /jp/, hands down, I love all of you

and I love tights and thigh-highs, I'm usually naked or near it when I do, so... and I still need to get clothes other than a few stolen items

>>6032905
I've done the same. This was more or less my reaction after the fact.

Unanswered question from the other thread - Where do you guys buy your causal clothes online? I'm not really interested in meido outfits or gothloli cosplay stuff, but something wearable in public.

I take my little sister shopping and buy her clothes. She tends to wear jeans and hoodies because she finds them more comfortable, but I usually buy her skirts, cardigans, summer dresses, etc. Then she wears what I buy her the next time we go to the cinema or zoo.

>>6032928
Thigh Highs > Tights >Pantyhose

>>6032969
they're the same to me, get oot with your comparisons

I'd do this if I could buy online or find a store with self checkout.

>>6032934
same, the first time I got dressed with my own clothes it was so good to be guilt free.

>>6032979
Walmarts have self checkout.
I go to food stores for pantyhose and tights.

>>6032963
Is she hot? Would you do her?
>>6032979
I always ask a female housemate to go shopping with me and I tell her I'm buying stuff for my girlfriend. I'm pretty sure she'd be shocked if she found out it's all in my closet.

From the Last Thread clothes stores links, don't know if any are casual.

http://www.uscos00.com/index.php?gOo=shop.dwt
http://www.fanplusfriend.com/
http://www.bodyline.co.jp/bodyline/

http://www.annahousefashion.com/ lolita, pricier than bodyline but you can do custom sizing for broad shoulders and the quality is better
http://www.qutieland.com/index2.php stocks Chinese shops that often allow custom sizing (qutieland is a proxy service for chinese lolita "brand" sellers)
http://closetchild.ocnk.net/ is mostly expensive, second-hand brand-name lolita with fairly limited sizing, but if you're curious about lolita it's an interesting place to browse for brand recommendations at least.
Refuse to be Usual on ebay, under their "cute me up" category and shoes category has some cute things, but I don't know how the quality and price match up.

Using a Korean proxy service (like http://koreanshopping.er.ro/ but there's others out there as well) you can order from places like
http://www.lemoncookie.com/ (normalfaggy but sometimes cute bloomer-style shorts, etc)
http://sechuna.com/ (normalfaggy but also a few school uniform-themed items)
>But these run pretty small and I can't fit them myself.

http://www.sockdreams.com/ It's a good site for specialty socks including thigh highs, Free shipping too.

>>6032998
She's 14 and 1/4 indian, so she's got a really nice pale brown skin colour and she doesn't wear make up and still looks prettier than most girls of any age that I can think of. And yes, I would do her, and I masturbate to her frequently. She asked me about masturbation the other day, and I had to explain how men and women masturbate, using hand gestures. I'm pretty sure she knows that something is going on, since I make comments about taking pictures of her in her underwear and she just laughed and said I was creepy.

>>6033011
Thanks a ton for those links.

>>6033051
bloody hell man, i think you should tone it down with those comments. if someone overhears that kind of stuff they aren't just going to laugh it off.

>>6033063
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic because of the sage, are you?

>>6033080
Not at all

>>6033074
Nah, it's fine. She knows that our relationship isn't exactly normal, and that some things should be kept private. When my parents go away for the weekend, we usually crack open a few bottles of wine and spend the next few days playing vidya and watching movies. Usually ends with her falling asleep in my bed next to me.

Crossdresing is one of the few things that motivate me to get a job and get out of this shithole.

>>6033132
I wish I had a little sister to get drunk and play games with.

I wish I had the figure for skinny jeans. They're fucking sexy.

>>6033131
Yeah, because of these threads, lately I've felt that I can't wait to finish university and move somewhere far away so I can dress in peace. Especially with my youth fading away.

Girl boots are so awesome.

So I finally decided to shave my goatee+stache off in order to see whether or not my face is passable. I've been wearing them for years, so honestly I had no clue what my bare face looked like any more. What I learned is that fucking suck ass at shaving, stubble everywhere. It's sad, my legs are smoother than my face right now.

>>6032777
Cardigans, hosiery, skirts, dresses. Still have yet to purchase a blouse, simply because they don't much interest me, but since all I have are skirts, socks, and hosiery, my outfits all end up incomplete. I just don't feel like buying a blouse if I can't get the figure to wear it properly. Socks just don't seem to work well for padding and I'd rather not keep water/rice balloons around, for fear of someone seeing them.

>>6032905
Most crossdressers start with their mother's/sister's clothing. Yeah, it's understandable to feel a little guilty about it, borrowing without permission across genders when you know it would upset the other person and all that jazz, especially if you masturbate in them, but no harm no foul in my opinion.

>>6033080
Welcome to /jp/, where we sage our posts if we don't feel they contain enough meaningful content instead of for trolling purposes.

My favorite cross dresser is Ash, from Pallet Town.

>>6033216
>What I learned is that fucking suck ass at shaving, stubble everywhere. It's sad, my legs are smoother than my face right now.
I usually have to go both with and against the grain to get everything. I might try letting it grow a bit and plucking with tweezers sometime. It'll take some time but should grow back much slower.

>>6033216
>Welcome to /jp/, where we sage our posts if we don't feel they contain enough meaningful content instead of for trolling purposes.

You mean using it the way it was intended?

>>6033213
Agreed.

So what do you girls do for your hair? Is there a cut that can be styled to be suited for either gender? Not sure if my parents would understand me having girl like hair all the time. I've been considering a wig, but I'd prefer it to be natural.

Do any of you have famous/semi-famous/internet famous traps you admire? Pic related.

I have so many potential ingrown hairs. I'm tweezing them out.

Fucking body pouf, not so good.

Get a loofah or exfoliating gloves.

>>6033424
How about something like this, Anon? With less teasing it's a fine men's cut too.

>>6033132
You should be very hapy with your life...
I want to have your life ;__;
(I am serious)

>>6033424
Luckily, there are plenty of popular, feminine hairstyles for guys nowadays. Find something that you can pull off and that isn't too long. Go to a stylist and ask their advice, too.

>>6033483
Make your parents get divorced and then hope that when they remarry someone you'll get a little sister.

>>6033490
The real problem with "feminine hairstyles for guys" is that is exactly what they look like. When you're trying to crossdress and really look like a girl you need a girl's haircut.

>>6033449
Yeah, I was thinking something like a bob-type haircut would be best but I was afraid of >>6033518

>>6033131

>get a job

>NEET/Hikkikomori only

Whoa!

I don't think you thought your clever plan through.

>>6033131
>Crossdresing is one of the few things that motivate me to get a job
>crossdressing
>job
Maybe you should start selling your ass while cross dressing. It would be even better if you are asian and feminine. The niggers and sandniggers will love you.

>>6033587
Honestly, no one cares about your hair as much as you do. If you're worried about someone calling your haircut feminine when you're dressed as a male you just laugh it off and say you need a better hairdresser next time.

>>6033207
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who feels exactly that way.
I mean, I know I'm a guy, and males age pretty damn well compared to females, but the fact that I'm aging and can't look cute (even if I don't look cute now) is horrifyingly disgusting.

>>6033424
Unfortunately, my hair is really curly, so I have to either cut it short as hell, or risk it poofing into an afro.

That said, as a shut in, it is long and poofy. About nipple length if I pull it down. Maybe I should straighten it. Long hair isn't as taboo on guys as it was after Cromwell, right?

Arcueid Brunestud posted some of their music collection for the expressed purpose of dancing to it while dressed up. It was too big for non-premium users so I split it up. You need both files, use 7zip to open.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=037FIQA6
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EYV2XK64

Has anyone lived in a basement apartment (w/ separate entrance)? Do they tend to be as private as normal ones? I think the reason as to why I ask is somewhat obvious.

>>6033953
The separate entrance may just be storm cellar stairs. I would suggest taking a look at it and asking the landlord just some basic privacy questions.
I never rented so I can't tell, I can't wait to someday.

>>6033953
I've never heard of a basement apartment. That must be in some really huge city like New York.

>>6034038
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basement_apartment

I don't suppose anyone saved the makeup / eyebrow shaping pictures from the previous thread?

>>6034129
this one?

>>6034151
Here's the other one.
I never messed around with makeup. I found a whole bag in my college's parking lot one day and grabbed it. I kept it in my car, never using it. My dad threw it out and mentioned it nonchalantly. I don't know what to make of it, but he might of thought it was a girl's set because I helped someone moved.

Thanks kindly.

I haven't bought too much because I still want to lose weight. All I have is some panties, socks and stockings, and two skirts. I don't have any female shirts I just wear my boy shirts and sometimes pretend they're my boyfriends when I feel really gay

>>6034190
I have a couple more makeup things like these. All of the subjects are male. However it's stage makeup so some of it is dramatic, and they all have asian eyes so you can skip the parts that are meant to give you double lid effects if you already have double lids.

As you can see this one placing the lower false eyelashes away from the natural lashline is kind of a big trend for people with narrow eyes, this actually shows in some magazines aimed for girls as well.

/jp/ needs more threads like this.

>>6034860
It's a pretty good thread!

The most important part is hiding your tool.

>>6034883
Noo not that picture

>>6034883
The thought of pushing my balls in makes me squirm. I've had one of the inside before, and it was really fucking weird and not at all pleasant.

>>6034860
I'm also interested in making /jp/ as gay as possible

Are transsexuals who do their first steps welcome too? :3

>>6034954

I'm in favour of this.
I already have a custom horn installed in my Lincoln Town Car.

It plays a little jingle that says, "HERE COMES A HUGE FAG!"

Am I gay enough for /jp/ yet?

>>6035017
Sure

Just a tip:

If you're trying to tuck, put your shaft between your legs first (I keep it in place with tape or tight panties), THEN try to push your balls up. I found it works way better.

>>6035025
hey arc why don't you take your alpha as fuck shit somewhere else

I scrub fucking hard with exfoliating gloves and I still get ingrown hair.

What the fuck am I doing wrong? Fuck this pathetic body.

> trap thread
CURSE YOU PENIS, YOU BETRAYED ME

Alright, /jp/, you win. I tried to fight it but I am too weak to resist the temptations of flesh. So yes, I wish to be the little girl, too.

In pauses of me crying over no longer being 20, slim, smooth, naive, and cute, I might as well ask. What steps must one undertake to become a good part-time trap? We're talking beginner's steps here; all I see in this thread is advanced material.

>>6036089
Shave your body hair, buy some clothes. There isn't a whole lot to it.

>>6036089
What's your body like? I've always just winged it, myself, but try wearing baggy/loose clothes or clothes that cover up (ie - sweaters, skirts, etc) instead of tight or revealing clothing. Also, I guess cute glasses help a fair amount as well. I use a scarf for my lower face since it's pretty masculine.

>>6036096
got it. I assume there aren't many secrets to full body shave, just like the regular thing only on a larger scale. How often would I need to shave my arms / legs? Also, is there any... thing... cosmetically, that I could start using to get a smoother, more feminine skin?

polite sage for no real contribution.

>>6036023
Use this stuff called tendskin.
Really I cannot recommend it enough, it helps so so much.

You can make it easily, it's just alcohol, aspirin and witch hazel more or less.

>>6036115
Well I guess it depends on how far you're willing to go. A full body shave with a razor will work, but leg hair grows back fairly quickly with that method. If you're willing to endure a bit of pain for the sake of longer lasting smooth legs, an epilator is the way to go. For overall smoother and more feminine skin, exfoliating and lotion works well enough. Also as blasphemous as it may seem to /jp/, getting some minor sunlight will also help improve your skin.

my legs are hairy as fuck and i tried shaving just my thighs. for about 12 hours it was all smooth and awesome, but then the stubble made everything that touched my legs hurt like hell. pants, bedsheets, anything, jesus fuck worst idea ever.

do you guys just shave every day or something?

>>6036101
Oh, I doubt my face wouldn't be able to fool anyone at first, although I understand makeup can do wonders.
So I'll start in the comfort of my own home, picking up tools of the trade, before venturing outside.

>>6036133
>>6036117
Thanks! A lot of helpful advice in this thread.

>Also as blasphemous as it may seem to /jp/, getting some minor sunlight will also help improve your skin.
I'm a bit of a normalfag and have worked up quite a tan. Part of the lure for me is the fact I keep wondering what my ass (reasonably tight, fortunately) would look like in pantyhose with a g-string tanline and with no disgusting unfeminine man-hair everywhere.

Perhaps when I succeed in that mission I can post pictures of it in return... if /jp/ were willing, of course.

>>6036194
I had the same problem, I just lived with it (it wasn't that painful/itchy for me). I bought an epilator though, so I'm anxious to try it when I move for university next week.

>>6036194
Shaving is shit-tier, really.
Your experience is about what one should expect with shaving.

How about you fags post some pictures of yourself or learn to google?

>>6036206
for me it was bad enough that i couldnt sleep. i'd keep waking up every time i shifted my legs.

been thinking about trying an epilator too. can anyone recommend something good?

>>6036219
http://www.amazon.com/Braun-5270-Silk-%C3%A9pil-Xelle-System/dp/B000EZYKTS
Is what I use. It's a bit on the pricey side, but has been working wonderfully for a few years now.

The magic of hormones

Sorry for the bump, but I've lost the URL to that guys blog, the guy that dresses up as a maid often and aparently goes on 4chan.

>>6036117
http://www.tendskin.ca/tend-skin-4oz.html

This right? Lucky for me this site takes paypal.

>>6036776
You're going to need to be more specific. Talking about Momo?

>>6036815
No he wasn't japanese, from somewhere like singapore. name started with a C.

>>6036817
Chisame?

>>6036817
Ahh, Chisame.
http://kureha.no-ip.org/kureha_blog/

>>6036864
poor chisame ;_;

>>6036875
THANK GOD, HE MADE IT INTO THE ALTERNATIVE SERVICE!

Now Chisame won't die in the Taiwanese military.

>live near China Town
>cheap clothes everywhere

/fa/ggotry ------------->
Reported

>>6037007
>he thinks trapping belongs in /fa/!

>>6037013
This shit has nothing to do with "otaku culture", idiot.

>>6036815
More of this trap.

Not exactly related to crossdressing, but this is probably close enough.

I've been going to psychiatrist for some time now, and recently he said that it's possible I have Gender Identity Disorder. Obviously if I follow with this, it would mean further research, and hormone treatment followed by surgeries.
I'm curious how long all of this would take, and what the costs would be. As far as I know, all of the basic stuff is covered by the health insurance, but aside from that I have no idea.

>>6037327
That depends on a lot of factors. As for time, it depends on what you want in the end. There are plenty of TG people who only take hormones and never get gender reassignment surgery. Others have laser hair removal, jaw bone restructuring, breast implants (usually if they start later in life and hormones don't do much for breast growth), ect.

As for costs, depends on where you live / work / if you are dependent. Hormones are usually covered by insurance, but any sort of "cosmetic" surgery likely isn't.

Sorry if this wasn't really helpful, it's a case by case issue. Your psych would probably be able to help you more than I.

So what are your thoughts on those who post pictures of themselves in these kind of threads?

>>6037432
Camwhoring seems to make a lot of people upset so it's best to be avoided. I have no problem with it but we're having such a nice thread here, why endanger that with anything that might attract negativity?

>>6037432
It's good as long as they pass.

>>6037432
I think this >>6037468
is probably how most of the people who would post pictures feel.

I didn't know /jp/ was this gay. No really guys I'm proud. This is the best thread I've seen in a while.

Good luck everyone.

I'm no expert but here's a tip to those struggling with their legs;

Dark/black pantyhose/stockings compliment you legs and make them look thinner. If you can find a pair of heels as well and combine the two they will really help make your legs look more feminine. It's a common trick that most women use. Covering your legs with pantyhose/stockings also remove most/all problems regarding skin and shaving.

Polite sage for no real contribution.

>>6037432
I actually prefer that /jp/ doesn't post their pictures, and it is discussion for the most part. Other communities (like 420chan's /cd/) quickly turn into drama/hookups/ect. Although it's nice that I can steal progress pictures from them.

You're all so lucky. I wish I could trap it up, but I have too much body/facial hair and a masculine face. I just want to be the little girl on weekends, is that so much to ask?

>Polite sage
I wish people would stop doing this.

As of late there has been so many post with 'polite sage' and 'rude sage'.

>>6037533
I find it hilarious that 420 banned the posting of personal information, because I met several great people from that board in the past.

>>6037359
>Hormones are usually covered by insurance

Hormones are very rarely covered by insurance, I know from experiance that Aetna and BCBS don't cover ANYTHING related to gender reassignment.

They consider it a choice and not medically necessary.

>>6037543

Beard-Kaguya doesn't let her fat and her sweet beard get in the way of being a little girl.

>>6037813
I guess my experiences were skewed by living in a socially liberal area. It's not as though hormones are all that expensive without insurance, though. Surgery is the real killer.

So how many people have bought from stores as though they were shopping for normal clothes? How'd it turn out?

Wal-mart isn't bad. Selection varies, but it's a chill place to shop.

>>6038340
I tried once and got scared. The clerks probably wont care, but it's hard to look around the girl's section with a bunch of other customers.

>>6037891

So far this is what I've spent and also researched for future work. This is without insurance, since no insurer I've had so far will cover ANY transition costs:

hormones: about $100/month
tracheal shave: $3K
Laser hair removal: $900 (just the face so far)
skin rejuvenation/resurfacing: $1000 or so, I lost track.

Future expenses:

Laser hair removal: chest hair $900-$1200 (hair there is much coarser and harder to remove)

FFS: varies considerably, but my consult estimated about $20K for brow ridge contouring, jaw contouring and nose restructuring. The Doc said comparatively speaking I didn't need much done there since I had feminine features to begin with.

Laser hair removal: Groin *OUCH* going to be about $1000 as well.
SRS: can range from $12K to $20K depending on where you go and traveling expenses.

There will probably be some misc expenses and prices will most likely go up ofter this year as well.

>>6038545
I can see you wanting laser hair removal for your face, but chest and groin don't seem all that necessary. Unless your chest is a carpet. And
>skin rejuvenation/resurfacing: $1000 or so, I lost track.
Your skin actually improves significantly when you're on hormones, do you have acne scars you want to hide?

>>6038545

This just reminds me of how little money I have. I can't get a job and still live at home. Fuck my life.

>>6038742
It rekindles my drive to get through university for my accounting degree.

>>6038700
>chest and groin don't seem all that necessary

I don't have much chest hair, but what I do have is dark and ugly.

As for the groin, that is a must if you get SRS since you don't want any hair to grow in your new vagina.

Around it is OK, but not in it which is a very common issue many MtF have.

>>6038742

Take your time, don't try to rush it or you'll get overwhelmed and depressed.

Start small, hormones are usually the first step. You can get inexpensive hormones online at

http://www.inhousepharmacy.com/

Then start with the hair removal, laser is the cheapest. It's best to start as early as possible with this since this will take some time.

Unless you are 40+, don't rush it you have plenty of time.

>>6038700

Your skin does improve somewhat, but it's different for everyone.

>>6038742

While most insurance companies won't cover the costs of transitioning, Medicaid/Medicare does to an extent.

if you can get counseling and be diagnosed and Gender Dysphoric, you might be able to get some costs covered.

I thought this was a crossdressing thread, not a transgender thread

>>6038774
Tips from transsexuals on how to get more feminine are better than tips of the same from girls.

>>6038760
>As for the groin, that is a must if you get SRS since you don't want any hair to grow in your new vagina.

>Around it is OK, but not in it which is a very common issue many MtF have.
Different guy here, I thought hormones changed your pubic hair patterns to a female type?

>>6038778

NO, it's a myth that hormones will change your hair patterns. They do "somewhat" affect hair on your legs and arms a bit, they might get a bit thinner but on your face, chest and groin hormones have no effect at all.

>>6038791
Well damn. One more expense to consider.

>>6038791

I almost forgot to add that estrogen PROMOTES hair growth on your head so it can have some effect on stopping/reversing male pattern baldness

My Captcha was "Irish comewad" LOL!

Since we seem to have people already on the TG road in here, it seems a decent place to ask. When you went to see a psych for the first time did you already know for sure that you wanted to transition? I'm still very much on the fence and find myself confused and second guessing myself as to if I really want to go through with it. I'm afraid that if I go see a psych, they'll just say "It's a fetish, deal with it" without giving real consideration since I'm not confident.

>>6038904

Myself, I've known since I was a kid and have been pretty miserable all my life until I decided to transition.

That being said, a therapist is there to help you figure things out.

Here is a link to help you get started.

http://www.susans.org/Health/Therapists_and_Counselors/

>>6038904
Very few people know for sure when they meet with a psych; that's part of the reason you meet with them, to work that shit out.

>>6038918
>>6038914
That's comforting. Thanks.

This is such a good thread, it doesn't deserve to die yet.

>>6039285
It won't. Do you not see the occasional Rika thread lasting more than a week? (Though that hasn't been the case the past month or so).

Unless you're new to /jp/.

I feel kinda bad when I see these threads and see all of the people struggling with GID and problems with their family. I just want to dress up and look pretty sometimes.

>>6037834
I want to lose the weight but I keep getting sidetracked by delicious beers and food...

>>6040206
Alcohol is really bad. Not only does it have empty calories but your body can't burn calories while your liver is processing alcohol.
But a rum and coke zero diet is tempting.

>>6039356

What are you talking about? Good threads like this one die all the time unlike those Rika threads because they have one person bumping them over and over again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBQRZ0m5aIc

Has anyone seen this guy? Most of his stuff is pretty good. He never shows his face, though, which is probably a good thing.

>>6041357
Yeah he's got two websites with tonnes of different picture sets on. He regularly dresses up as different characters.

Are you crossdressing because you can't find a girl? Yes, you are.

Why is reading this thread giving me a boner? I don't want to be the little girl :(

This thread

give me

the creeps

even more

than ghost stories

Hey /jp/ just to confirm something, there's no way of changing a male's voice is there? No amount of hormones can touch that, can it?

>>6041357
Yeah I knew of him since long ago. Fapped many times too.

>>6041413
Hormones wont change anything but you can try to train your voice to do this :)

take a look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04ONx9lRJPE&feature=channel_page

Well, congrats, /jp/ I did it thanks to you. I went to Target, bought some socks, panties, hose and PJs. The whole time I was picking clothes my chest was beating so hard because I was so nervous but it was a rush.

Shockingly noone gave me any shit and when one of the store employees was passing through she just gave me a smile and moved along. Same at the cashier, they just rang it up and I paid, and when I walked out the doors I knew I was home free ready to treat my body in soft fabric bliss.

This is your fault. I hope you're proud.

>>6041487
I hope your dad will be proud too.

>>6041413
Testosterone is the only growth hormone with any effect on vocal cords.
Estrogen doesn't touch them, so it's not going to undo any 'damage' to your cords to change your voice or anything.
However, the cords are muscles, and can be retrained with effort.

It's not easy, but very doable.
A task I need to get on myself about.

>>6041497
I live alone.

>>6041487
See, this is proof it's all in your mind. be yourself, anon.

>>6041402
No, no I'm not.

>>6041402 Are you crossdressing because you can't find a girl? Yes, you are.

No, I AM the fucking girl!

I posted another thread about buying tights/leggings and was directed here, but like...how do the different men's and women's sizes compare for this stuff?

>>6042019
Sizing charts exist which are measured in inches or cm. Learn to use them, they'll become a great help.

>>6042019
I think they just go by height. I bought some a while ago, I just picked one that had my height and they fit pretty well. They stretch a lot, so as long as you're not extremely fat, they should be fine.

>>6042019
>>6042032

Just a little reminder if you want to buy casual stuff, especially jeans: a lot of companies cheat with the sizes, they label it sometimes 1 or 2 sizes smaller than actual.

Did anyone else start any classes today?
Did anyone think that they could look better than some of the girls out there?

>>6043700
Clothes are known to get smaller after washing so its normal :) But still pay attention to it.

>>6041413
The only method of changing your voice, aside from training, is surgery. It's a risky procedure however that has a chance of permanently paralyzing your vocal chords:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_therapy_(trans)#Vocal_surgeries

>>6042019
The size chart is usually on the package too, to make things easier. That said, I'm skinny as a rail and still prefer to buy one size up from what the package recommends. For whatever reason (probably height), when I wear the recommended size I always end up just a little short of material when I have them all the way, up so they don't quite hug my hips correctly.

>>6043726
No, unless you can't abnormally ugly people. My chin/mouth just doesn't work at all, otherwise I think I'd have a chance.

>>6043805
I was counting them, otherwise no I have no chance either.

Am 6'9 (206cm).
Will never be the little girl.

;_;

>>6043845
Damn, and I was thinking 182cm is too tall to be a trap.

>>6043845
you poor thing. I'm 6 foot ish (182cm) but I have 28.5 cm feet. nothing but whore shoes and drag queen shoes in my size ;_;

>>6043917
http://www.bodyline.co.jp/bodyline/showProduct.asp?id=1644&pageNumber=1&pageStop=stop_24&amp
;noSubType=N
Bodyline has some styles available in 29? But they might not be your style.

>>6043917

I have 31cm feet, they don't even make shoes big enough for me. At least, I've never seen shoes that big intended for women.

>>6043917
34cm feet here, or thereabouts. I guess you can have some moderate luck finding clothes, though? I need to learn how to sew; at least if the proportions are right I might be able to fake it on camera.

>>6043917
>182cm tall
>shoe size 28.5cm
are you Asian and 20 as well?

anyways, this indeed is the best thread on /jp/ right now. I wish I had smaller feet, didn't have hairy legs and quick growing hair in general.

>>6043963
Holy crap. I truly feel blessed, my feet are 10cm smaller than yours...

>>6043917
I'm 173 cm tall but I have 29 cm long feet. Feels bad man.

Oh god, i'm so excited, my panties and pantyhose should arrive tomorrow and I just ordered an epilator.
Now I just need to find a few cute frilly dresses, some shoes and i'm good to go.
I think I might pull off it decently... i'm about 1.80, slim and my hands are pretty small.

Anyway, I'm trying to find some ballerina style shoes, does anyone have a tip?

>>6044092
For where to find the shoes? Sorry, no clue. As a more general guide for buying women's shoes:

Make sure that wherever you get your shoes from has a good return policy. Unless you've already had the opportunity to find your size in women's thanks to mother/sister/girlfriend/whatever, you will most likely get the wrong size. If you're debating between two sizes, always go for the larger one. If a large shoe doesn't fit, all it means is that it will flop around some as you walk. If a small shoe doesn't fit, you may break something (yourself or the shoes) and ruin your chance of getting an even exchange. For the same reason, don't buy a high, narrow heel as your first heeled shoe. Work your way up. And no, I'm sorry, there is no Men's Size X = Women's Size Y formula, especially if you're going for specialty stuff. It varies from person to person.

>>6044176

Oh man, never even thought about that a womens 42(European) isn't the same as a man 42.
Thanks a bunch, really appreciate that. You probably just saved me some money.

I need recommendations for a haircut (long hair), preferably something neutral, not overly feminine

So, i'm looking at; http://www.bodyline.co.jp/bodyline/showProduct.asp?id=4249&pageNumber=1&pageStop=stop_8&
noSubType=N#picture

The japanese size is measured in mm(or am I missing something here?), so does that mean if my feet are for example 25 cm long, i'll be able to fit into a japanese size 250?

>>6044302
I haven't ordered using Japanese sizing myself, but yes, that is how it is supposed to work, assuming you are a woman. You, however, are not. Men's feet are naturally wider than women's, thus men's shoes are wider than women's shoe of the same length and vice versa. You may need a larger size in order to compensate for this.

>>6043726
I spent most of the time being jealous and wishing I could look as good as the girls.

no crossdressing thread is complete without Danbo

>>6044504

>>6044511

You see, I don't want to crossdress in public, just at home in private.

I'm sure there's a difference between the two.

So, who here wishes they had a trap "girl"friend?

>>6045080

>/jp/ hookup thread

I would be your girlfriend, but I'm engaged to Currybutt, sorry.

I'm pretty sure Chisame is free, and Danbo got NTRed

>>6045101
Chisame is most likely all manly by now.

>>6045080
Sure, of course I would have to lose weight and then they might catch me wearing their stuff.

>>6045116
He's still pending his medical results so he's still the same, just with short hair.

>>6045148
Chisame is still cute with the short hair.
His other blog is here http://kiyokochan.wordpress.com/

>>6045225
That's not Chisame, that's Kiyoko. The only trap active trap left, Danbo went on hiatus, Chisame is on hiatus because of impending conscription.

>>6045116

That's not really a problem.

>>6045238
Oh, damn I misread it.
thanks, poor Danbo. I read his blog and it's not just the break up but also the costs. That's what kills a lot of people as they have to buy 2 sets of clothes (male and female) and pay the internet markup.

>>6038545
>>So far this is what I've spent and also researched for future work. This is without insurance, since no insurer I've had so far will cover ANY transition costs:

That's some post.

>>6045225
That is Kiyokos blog not Chisames :v

Gonna crossdress next week for the first time in years. Need to find a wig, though.

>>6040209
I just really need to get back to my exercises...
...damn Assassin's Creed 2 is longer than I thought.

Miss being able to run three miles in 27minutes...

I have facial hair that grows very quickly, what's a good way to deal with that?

>>6045267
Hello there.

>>6046365
be a man epilate your face

>>6046365
shave regularly?

>>6044504
>>6046841
Those legs are to skinny.

>>6047228
It's a good thing for you that landwhales are common place nowadays then.

contrary to what you "boys" believe, you don't have to dress like a tart or a whore to look like a girl. THAT is why people give you wierd looks when you go out. it's not because you don't pass, but because you dress in a way that draws attention to it. think again about how plainly the plain girls dress, and why you never took note of THAT .

>>6047244
Men like classy clothes. Jeans and sweatpants are shit.

I just found out that one of the head programmers at the company I work for used to be a man, but got a sex change... no wonder she knows how to dress so well (knee socks + skirt, red rimmed glasses, etc.)

Would you guys ever be interested in getting a sex change? Most people do it because they're gay and want to have sex with men I guess, but in the case of /jp/ers I think most of us like girls not guys, but only 2D girls. So would you want to get a sex change just so that you could enjoy being the little girl, since you're not interested in 3D girls anyways?

>>6047241
There's a difference between "landwhales" and some one who eats meals dude.

I wish I could be a trap, but I'm too masculine to pass off as female.

My shoulders are broad, I'm taller than most girls, I have big hands, lots of hair, manjaw, really deep voice, and overall, I definitely don't have the figure of a girl.

Shit sucks. ;_;

>>6047244
tee-hee! you're so silly <3

Jeans and a t-shirt don't make me feel very girly now do they sis~

>>6047262
Current sex changes really suck. It's not the same as actually being the opposite gender. Not even close. I'd rather just stay as a male and have gender identity issues than having a terrible surgery and end up hating myself for the rest of my life for looking and feeling like a freak.

>>6047291
Not to mention plastic Vagina.

>>6047256
in my case it's kinda hard for me to find jeans my size. I resort to wear girls jeans, and they fit just fine.

I battle monsters wearing a fur poncho.

That's my choice.
What's yours?

>>6047262
But you wouldn't be the little girl. You'd be a man who got a sex change to become a woman who looks anywhere from passable to disgusting, depending on how feminine you looked in the first place.

It's easier just to wait for technology to develop to the point where you can buy an affordable, realistic-looking robot body that you can temporarily transfer your consciousness to. Then you can buy a custom little girl model and all you'll have to deal with are the looks you get from the people selling it to you.

I can't wait for that day.

>>6047485
Technology developing to the point where you can upload your mind to a computer's virtual world and live there would come faster.

>>6047510
Too bad uploading your mind would only copy it. You'd still be outside the virtual world; there's just a copy of you inside it.

>>6047541
Yes, but you just need to be able to consolidate the two sets of memories every so often.

>>6047485
Yeah I could just lucid dream all day or wait for Jusenkyo to be discovered irl but I don't think that's really going to work out.

>>6047541
I don't think we understand enough about the nature of human consciousness for you to say that.

>>6047557
It's the same thing. Transferring one conscious to another medium. It's just transferring the conscious to an inert medium to traverse a virtual world, as opposed to having to rebuild a body out of metal and silicone.

>>6047541
Well, it's a matter of the Ship of Theseus. If you do it part by part, you may be considered the same person sensu stricto.

>>6047262
I'm already transitioning, but I'm not really interested in any surgery at this point.
But to clarify...
>>6047301
It's made out of your skin, no plastic involved.

>>6047244
I think only a couple people in this thread are even vaguely interested in CDing in public, excluding the GID candidates... The rest just want to wear pretty clothes.

>>6047262

I definitely intend to go down the surgery route at some point. I'm not really interested in the sex as it stands because... well, that's not the point for me. Maybe that'll change afterwards, though.

Either way, I want to get it done as soon as possible so I can live the rest of my 20s the way I want to.

>>6047557
It has nothing to do with human consciousness. You're uploading your memories to a computer.

Perhaps you're talking about actually removing your brain and placing it in a machine. I guess that could work.

>>6047628
implying the brain is intrinsically conscious

Transhumanism thread?

Well, transgenderism and transhumanism thread are intimately related.

>>6047776
suppose to be a crossdressing thread
to "download" and store a human data would have to take terabytes upon terabytes of data..

>>6047959
All you'd have to do is store the DNA sequence and you can do that in a txt file.

>>6047980
yeah, no. memories, mutations, etc.

on topic: one-piece dresses

i can't believe this is the hottest thread on /jp/ oh well, it's better than kigs, I guess.

polite sage for not contributing, and stuff.

>>6044201
Right now I have a hime-cut like thing, but with slightly longer bangs. I just hide those behind my ears and put my hair in a ponytail when I need a guy haircut.

>>6048007
We love traps...

>>6032777
take it /cgl/ you fags.

>>6048098
i'm just letting my hair grow. the back hair reached my shoulder. Letting the sides to grow longer.

Read through the entire thread.
I kinda hate it when crossdressing threads swerve into tg territory. It gets a little too 'serious'.

There is a difference in traps and trannys.

It's just not the same.

http://www.pictriev.com/facedb/fs2.php?

Found this in another thread (>>6048194). You can upload your face and it will try to figure out your gender and age.

>>6048238
I was about to post it in here too :( But well, yes, try it and post results!

It told me that i was 100% female and 6 years old :3

>>6048228
Yeah, traps don't really exist beyond the age of 13 or so.

inb4 you argue Danbo or Chisame. It's all clothes, they wear poofy stuff that conceals 95% of their body.

>>6046772
B-but... I don't want to, it'd hurt....
>>6047200
Tedious as it is I'm just going to shave my face twice a day, I guess.

>>6048323
A trap doesn't have to walk around in nothing but panties to be a trap. Any boy who really looks like a cute girl is a trap.

Almost there!

>>6048707
Fight on, Anonymous!

These day, I've been viewing my crossdressing as something like a really fun hobby. I really just enjoy matching different looks, I'm not exactly passable but it's amazing what a wig, makeup, falsies, coloured contacts, cute clothing, and the right attitude can make you feel and look. Just recently bought pink glitter teeze heels, it'll be fun to play with. I'm my own barbie doll.

Goddammit /jp/ this thread makes me want to be the little girl.

;_;

>>6049658
I know. Every time I start to give up and grow out my neckbeard, these threads send me off to the bathroom for some uncomfortable face- and leg-shaving.

>>6049678
Well, I'm a poor college student. I mean if I shaved my legs and other non-facial areas I could probably pull something off with a bit of work (My facial hair is minimal. Thank god, since I hate that stuff as-is), but pretty much everybody I know would give me hell for it. And I'm just not motivated to do, well, anything these days.

>>6049678
> my neckbeard
> shaving

my god. the silver lining to the trap thread has revealed itself.

>>6049689
college is your last chance. do it before you're old and fat. you won't be small forever, and even if you are, you won't be cute forever, and even if you manage to maintain THAT, you'll be too old for the clothes you;ll want to wear.

>>6049702
Oh. That's no good then.

Unless things massively change in the next year or so, I won't exactly have the chance. Which is just awful.

>>6049694

What, were you under the impression that /jp/ didn't have any neckbeards?

Contrary to popular belief, the jokes about /jp/ housing fat neckbeards aren't really....jokes.

>>6049719
umad? there's a fuckton of ugly ducklings here. at least trapping and playing dressup at 3 am in front of the mirror is a step towards neet self improvement.

>>6049719
There is no popular belief of any sort regarding that, and it's not true, anyway.

>>6049719
>fat
Speak for yourself, darkie.
I starve out of laziness.

>>6049729

Squats, deadlifts, and bench presses are also great NEET self-improvement tactics, along with a healthy cardio regime. Not to mention how beneficial it is to your health.

But what do I know, I'm a retarded nigger. Carry on.

>>6048238
Tried with a photo from when I was 18
>Male 100%
>Age:31
Goddamn, why am I so manly?
Gonna get in a bare-chested fist fight on top of a flaming truck full of leather jackets to feel better.

>>6049747

>I starve out of laziness.

Or out of anorexia nervosa, but yeah, that's cool, that's cool. Sweet beans, dude. Great to hear.

I'm just mixing up some EAS Whey Protein over here for my post-workout shake.

>>6048593
But they don't, if you saw them outside you'd notice immediately by seeing their faces.

Without hormone, traps are always really really obvious.

>>6049784
>Photos from 19-20, easy going, boyish attitude
>Stable 40 years old (and 100% M)
My face

>>6049889
>My face when you walk the Trail of Tears

>>6049889
Reported for /b/ in /jp/.

>>6049902

Dick move, Hitler.

took the photo when i was 16

my trap dreams have just been crushed

>Male: 53%
>Age: 20
>Actual age from picture: 23

I'm kinda happy about that.
But it's a stupid thing anyway.

>Portrait picture from my passport
>real age: 20
>age:31, 100%male
;_;

>>6049689
>but pretty much everybody I know would give me hell for it.
Fuck em. Not literally.

>>6047244
Women don't know how to dress nice anymore.

I'm sick of hiding my obsessive pantyhose love from my parents. No more.

I'm pretty they already know, and being able to wear without being sneaky, or hell, with something like shorts is appealing as all hell. I'm not ashamed, so why am I so afraid? Nonetheless, I'll continue. They'll probably see my seamed toes before anything else since I prefer light colors in sheer, I used to wear socks to hide them but fuck that I'm not going to hide it anymore.

Deep breaths...I know they'll understand and being able to be open about it will make me happier beyond words.

>>6050919
This will probably end badly.
More worst fear was being found sleeping with my clothes on after I drank too much.

>>6050919
for god's sake, that's just a fetish. don't do it. you know what fuck it.

do it. despite the lifelong stigma that will hover around you for the rest of your life i'm sure whatever storm you're bringing on yourself will pass.

Used a normal everyday picture from when I was walking through Central Park a year or so ago.

"78% Woman. Approximate Age: Unknown."

What the hell /jp/. Did it over and over and it kept giving me a 70%+ rating of woman with an age between 15 and AGE UNKNOWN. I was pretty sure I was just a guy with a slender frame and slightly longish hair before this but now I'm apparently trap material according to this. Does this mean that as long as I shave my legs and change my hair a bit I can do crossplay? Because honestly, the women's costumes always look more fun than most men's.

>Captcha: concerned tolover

What are you trying to tell me captcha...?

>>6050985

>that's just a fetish.

Is it? I get no sexual pleasure.

>>6050379
I wish I could, but poor college student and all that means that I'm not exactly in a position to.

>>6051003
Pretty sure that site is mostly bullshit.

Well that explains why I get hit on by guys and further proof I inherited more of my mother's looks...

>>6050985
>>6050934
You guys make it sound like it's such a huge deal. It's really not. You know people have been crossdressing since the dawn of time right? It's not normal but not baby-killer or cannibal level of weird, and hardly unheard of. My parents and friends thought it was weird but they did get over it pretty fast. I mean it is good to conform to society's standards and stuff but you don't have to be literally ruled by fear of other people's opinions. You live life for yourself first and foremost.

>>6049925
>>6051052
FUCK these threads from now on. I knew from the beginning this is how it would end. Fucking faggots are going to start camwhoring soon.

Only 56% male?
With a few days old mustache and 4 inch long beard?
What.

53% male...I don't know if I should try it now or not. I was hesitant at first but if I wonder if I would do better if I tried. Probably won't though because of my ridiculous hair growth.

>>6051086

>Fucking faggots are going to start camwhoring soon.

I'm guessing you haven't been here for the threads where the traps post their pictures in their getups....

>>6051052
Looks not a day over 14, not 23.
And not particularly feminine, either.

>>6051059

This. I mean it's only pantyhose. Isn't that the tamest of the tame? Not like I'm walking around the house with a wig skirt and high heels...

>Someone takes an anonymous picture
>Autism everywhere

>>6050919
My parents know I shave my legs, they didn't find it that strange.

>>6051160
Sorry, but for most "normal" people there's no difference between "just" wearing pantyhose and being a complete cross-dresser - and for a lot people it will instantly mean you're gay.

So say I want to just buy some pantyhose or long socks (not sure what's best, I want something that will cover my legs entirely, but I have hairy legs, so not sure what's best). Where would I go for this, and how do I know what size I am?

>>6051174

Uhh....yeah, but

Did I mention I'm a hikikomori and the only peolple I see are my parents?

>>6051192
are you fat?
if not go to sockdreams.com and enjoy all the osfa

if so. have fun with restrictve "queen size" options.

>>6051192

Most long socks are like regular socks and come in one size. You shouldn't have any trouble anyway since males and females have the same relative calf size.
Dark pantyhose should cover up your hair legs, or at least well enough to keep it from being noticed by a digital or webcam. However, pantyhose DOES come in different sizes. Just google "pantyhose sizing". You're not going to get anyway without some measuring tape, though. Unless you want to dick around with some string and a ruler.
I'd suggest just shaving your thighs, so you can wear whatever and still revert to male mode with shorts.

Note that I'm talking out of my ass here and have never actually tried any of this. Good luck.

>>6051205
shaving is unnecesssary. wear opaque nude or bone colored hose under dark ones for dynamite shape and seamless hues

>>6047270
Fuck yeah, I'm in the exact same boat. Too manly to hide it with any amount of work. I get a five'o'clock shadow ;^;

>>6051204
>>6051205
So I was kind of hoping to go down the road or something, or is getting them online the best choice?

Also, I just want to wear them for my own sake, do I really need to shave? Also, I ALWAYS wear jeans, so I can hide the socks/tights if I want to wear them in public.

how's it feel to sweat in those, though?

>>6051205
>>6051213

Pantyhose don't feel or look as good without shaving though.

>>6051223
These look pretty and cheap, so I can get a few (worried I might break one by accident)

http://www.sockdreams.com/products/socks/tights/leg-avenue-striped-tights

Anyone tried these? Also, is the package for this place discreet or not? I don't want a package that says 'sockdreams.com' on it, that sounds eerily erotic.

>>6051223

What this fag said. I've worn pantyhose once, and it's shitty to have leg hairs torn out of you every time you walk or sit.

>>6051221

My plan was just to stock up on trap gear at the 24 hour Wal-Mart. Some fat asshole buying a bunch of women's clothing is probably a breath of fresh air from the tweakers at 3 AM.

>do I really need to shave?

Ultimately, it's up to you. Pantyhose are very tight, and weren't made for hairy legs. I'd assume it'd be tight to the point of your leg hairs being pushed against your leg, the thought alone sounds uncomfortable (and probably itchy/sweaty). Oh right, and they stick through the pantyhose. It's ugly.

I was only in pantyhose with hairy legs once (the very first time), I kept shaved after that. I don't remember much about it, but it did make me want to shave immediately.

>>6051236
socks are sent in a gray mailing envelope/bag and will say sock dreams.

honestly, if you're going to get leg avenue stipeys you can get those literally *everywhere* look for an adult video that sells toys and sexclothes. you're guaranteed to see them there.

>>6051242
>>6051223
well then, you have to choose between being secretive and being obvious. shave all you want, moresp in the winter i you want to keep things on the DL

>>6051249
Ugh, I'm constantly running about the dorm shirtless and in boxer, so this will get some attention, meh. I may consider it once, simply for the sake of trying it. I want some nice things to wear first then.

Are tights pretty much the same deal as pantyhose, hyper-tight and whatnot?

>>6051264
So 'adult' stores will sell tights and maybe socks then? I want them to fully cover the toes and go up to the waist, pretty much.

>>6051272

Tights and Pantyhose are virtually the same thing, I do believe the only difference is tights are slightly thicker.

>>6051282
yeah Cirilla's, Lover's Lane, stores that sell stripper clothes, etc. and halloween is coming up. so those halloween usa stores will sell those too.

>>6051272
there's a blurry line between tights and pantyhose. pantyhose is more sheer and is supposed to accent/add hue/visually smoothen while still showing the leg's color, shadows and other natural features.

tights are more traditionally opaque and thicker.

>dorm
really. you want to do this to yourself?

>>6051314
My dormmate is cool, he won't give a fuck. Ugh, all these adult stores ._. no target or walmart that sells tights or something?

>>6051334
not the ones you specifically want, but there's tons better to choose from. just go to target. i do it all the time.

>>6051334

Here's a protip: Don't buy any pair of pantyhose or tights that are less than 10 or 15 bucks. Aka: cheap. They'll either feel like shit, not last at all, or both.

>>6051375
Any idea where I could find good ones then? Does that sockdream site work, just get some of the 20 or 30 dollar ones then?

Every time I see a cross dressing thread I feel depressed. It reminds me that I live in a military household with a family (not including my sister, who is 5 minutes younger than me) that would never accept me doing such a thing.

;__; sage for not contributing, being a butthurt faggot, etc...

>>6051388

Most of the people doing this intend to be as secretive as possible about it. If your parents find your stuff, you can always say they're "trophies".

Thread is past the bump limit now, fyi.

>>6051399
FUCK YOU ._. I'll make a new one then.

>>6051385
then look for the good shit at nicer department stores, like the ones that have their own wings at malls. and if you see a wolford's, go in there and buy something. ANYTHING> you won't be disappointed.

>Does that sockdream site work
read the descriptons. avoid the ones that say leg avenue. trust us, a lot of their shit is pretty good

Supposedly this has hit the bump limit, here's a new thread:

>>6051446