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Make a new character. And this time, be smart and choose a fairy.
Otherwise, you're going to need to eat a lot. Have you taken a look at the food page on the wiki?

>>6002763
Using her gene, right? I'm not sure how that system works, though.

Fire resistance is easy. Go to the Dragon Nest and kill Vesda. Eat Vesda's corpse for a large boost in natural fire resistance. Equip the Gloves of Vesda for more fire resistance and the ability to do vorpal attacks. Vesda is a chump, but load up on fire-proof blankets before facing him. With as much fire resistance as I have, I can go toe-to-toe with Ebon and kill him without ever taking any meaningful amount of damage, and I don't even need fire-proof blankets. Hell, I can go around setting off Ragnaroks and never even entertain the notion of wasting inventory space on blankets.

>>6002597
Well, for the first part using some of the preset artifacts aren't that great honestly. The shield of thorn is just a damage boost and overall does little for your protection. A shield that has some good resistances may serve you better due to your problems.

Also get the palmia pride and stop wearing an aurora ring as a regular piece of equipment, those are just meant to be put on when hard rain comes out while you're on the overworld and that's not that often.

Another tip, get the steel dragon ring and a mount. Get good at riding. You'll live longer if you have more turns in comparison to your enemies.

Also get a better chest armor. Your composite mail doesn't even have a special attribute like defender. Also why the hell are all your stats so crummy? What do you look for in your artifacts anyway? I want to know what enchantments you get currently from them?

Also get a pair of sevenleagues. They're better than the shoes you get from the coward knight for traveling on the overworld. You might also consider getting a pair of adventuring shoes for when you're in dungeons and not the overworld.

YES! Another precious artifact off my list.

I rolled a warrior, but about 40 hours into the game, I've come to realize I'd much rather be a gunner. What do? Should I reroll or can I somehow make my warrior decent with ranged weaponry?

>>6004169
You can quite easily become a master of everything in this game. The only (slightly) limiting factor will be your stats, and even those are able to be manipulated to a good degree.

Although you could just reroll. Trust me if you have Elona fever you'll be dumping many, many more hours into this shit anyway, so go wild.

It seems like for every 1 accomplishment I make in the game, I come across 2 or 3 more things to do. I haven't played such an in-depth RPG since Morrowind (although I found it much easier to cheat the fuck out of that game, using spell makers to make temp. buff + soultrap spells to give permanent stat boosts every cast).

God dammit, this game has so much content. I wish I had more free time. ;_;

new player here. how to cure the ether disease thing?
in the wiki it says drink potion of caorruption or something but doesn't it only remove the4 symptoms?

>>6005129
It gets rid of Ether disease and removes a few of your negative mutations that you gained from the Ether disease. However, if you let the Ether disease spread for too long, you could rack up enough mutations that even a potion of cure corruption wouldn't fix it all.

>>6002597
Simply put; you need to find better equipment. You may need to make sacrifices in some areas if you want to shore up your resistances. Hold onto stuff like "xxx of fire xxx of cold" and such, those typically provide awesome resistances to the corresponding element. But for the more exotic damage types, like Nether, Chaos, Mind, Sound, you're going to need to look pretty hard.

the <Unknown Shell> is a great start, providing and instant #####+ resistance to sound; more common than the other types.

the unique rings, <Ring of Steel Dragon> and <Palmian Pride> offer more resistances, which will help with some of your weak spots (and are both pretty amazing in their own right).

<Gloves of Vesda> are all you need for Fire resistance, and they're pretty awesome by themselves too.

Keep looking for <Miracle> or {Godly} level equipment; sooner or later you'll find practical pieces of equipment with the resistances you want. If you're truly lucky, you can even find stuff far superior to certain (Special) quality items.

>>6005143
It will also kill you after the 20th mutation.

>>6002597
Equipment isn't the only way to gain resistances either.

Eating certain corpses can also help you gain resistances, although they typically only work in small amounts, meaning it would take multiple feedings to develop even # much resistance.

Corpses of Hounds, for example, are a great start. Each type of hound imparts a small bit of resistance towards its type. Eating poisonous foods, kobolds, spiders, and such will help you develop resistances to poison. There are others that can impart resistances; such as Issizzle.

Some corpses may look bad but are actually good for you. Other corpses may look good but are actually bad for you. Good example of looking bad, but actually good: Hands. Eating hands will train your strength. Also, Imps. Eating Imps will improve your magic.

If you're anal about your diet, identify every piece of food you come across; cursed food will often reduce the bonuses they might have bestowed upon you. If you have an item that "allows you to digest rotten food", you need not worry about whether your food rots or not; they'll impart the same boosts as if they were fresh (however, if you're incapable of digesting rotten food, you'll receive reductions).

>>6006243
And then get the kekekelelekele dream and lose all your eating resists.

I have nothing good ;__;

>>6007510
Here is my feats/mutations/etc

>>6007518
Personally, DV is better than PV, since, even with high PV, later enemies can hit you for unbelievably high damage with a single punch.

>>6008021
PV is more important than DV. If you neglect PV to the point things can kill you in 3 or 4 hits, sooner or later something will crit you twice in a row and you will die. PV lets you know exactly where you stand as fighting power goes. DV lets you fight more before having to withdraw and heal. Excessively stacking DV early on means things will not hit you, you will not level your armor skill and you will not level your healing skill. So when you find something that can reliably hit you, you are pretty much boned. Having only PV isn't a good ideea either because you'll take damage you could have otherwise avoided, which adds up even if drastically reduced.

Bottom line is, the strongest and most reliable character has roughly the same PV and DV, and respectively armor and evasion. Look for materials like griffon scale and dragon scale which offer both PV and DV in sizeable amounts while being light enough to accomodate casting.

>>6008099
Also, PV and DV aren't reliable indicators of your survivability. A character can have 0 DV yet evade all the time if he has high evasion and greater evasion skills. Add to that how evasion and greater evasion can be easily increased by 5-6 levels every encounter with an asura/mithra/varuna (prefferably of the <> variety) and you'll soon find that DV gear isn't all that appealing anymore.

Similarly, your armor skill contributes much more to your actual defense than your PV. Unfortunately armor skills are the slowest leveling skills in the game which makes PV a better bonus to have on gear. However keep in mind every piece of gear can have a 14 PV value from enhancements and bless. With 9 gear slots, this adds up to 126 PV with gear that has no PV value. Holy shield is an underrated and underused skill which everyone can reliably cast and gets absolutely ridiculous as it levels. So, instead of being obsessed with finding and using adamantine gear or other such silly ideeas, try giving your holy shield a boost.

What gear is worth using if PV and DV are not as important as everyone makes them? Resistances first and foremost. Special bonuses like vorpal attack, extra attacks, damage reduction, see invisible, protection from thieves.

Are carpentry, tailoring and alchemy worth anything?
It seems alchemy produces potions of potential, but I've never found hot water or angel's tears.

>>6008715
Some materials are only findable with gardening, mining, and fishing. Honestly for potential potions it'd be more practical to get your performer up a bunch and then become an avid investor in magic venders. Gear with +investor skill will help a lot too. You also have a slight chance of getting a few other decent things too like flying scrolls, evolution potions, and descent potions.

>>6008099
But if you're a ranged kiter, it wouldn't be as much of a problem since ranged enemies don't hit that hard...

>>6008792
When's a good time to stop investing in one vendor and start on the next? 100? 150?

>>6010944
The two I have in my home are both rank 100 right now. I also plan on getting the Palmia magic vender to 100 since my home's right next to it. I see potential potions pretty frequently now. I also see love potions and superior material scrolls pretty frequently too now. Rarer are flying scrolls, descent potions, and evolution potions, but I have seen them.

Also invest in a goods vender. Mine sells herbs rather frequently now.

>>6011417
Aside from a couple things like that, this game has surprisingly good translations.

>>6011417
Uh..

So I tossed a love potion on the ground and pushed Alice into it.

And then.. there was an egg.

>>6011601
ಠ_ಠ

>>6011601

Fuck yeah this party is rockin now, people chugging sulfuric and shit.

>>6012147
Did you give them the bottle of sulfuric, or did they just have their own and decide to drink it?

>>6012476
I was busy playing my lute.

I guess they all ran out of booze and this guy was like "HEY THIS SHIT SMELLS LIKE IT'LL GET YOU SHITFACED"
And yet the party went on without a slight pause.

Rogue bosses used to annoy the fuck out of me, killing me pretty much every time I tried to fight them, so after getting sick of that, I would just exit the game and load my last save if I encountered one. However, now that I've leveled more, have better gear, and 5 good pets (one of which is a silver bell), I can kill them pretty easily. Their drops are pretty decent for a low level (12) like me too.

That's one of the reasons I like this game- it's hard as fuck when you start out, but you can build your character up from nothing and accomplish stuff you normally couldn't do when you were less-experienced.

My next goal is to get good enough to kill traveling merchants and get their epic items for free, rather than having to pay them for it. I have a long way to go before I can do that, though...

>>6014739
>That's one of the reasons I like this game- it's hard as fuck when you start out, but you can build your character up from nothing and accomplish stuff you normally couldn't do when you were less-experienced.

It's why I love all rogue-likes, honestly. Elona has captivated me for quite a while now, and I expect it will be quite a while more. I'm not even playing any of my other games.

>>6014739
A good way to pick and choose your fights there, check their shop rank.
The higher the shop rank the better goods they can afford, and also better guards.

Bump.

I must be doing something wrong here - I can't figure out how to switch gods. It won't let me pray to any other god at the truce ground. Or am I not allowed to now, after using the secret treasure of Jure?

>>6018280
You stood on top of the altar and hit "p"? What happened?

>>6018280
Simply stand over an altar of another god and "p"ray. You're standing on an altar of another God, right? I've used several secret treasures already. They don't limit anything.

>>6018340
>>6018357
I stood atop the alter and hit 'p' and it would say "are you sure you want to pray to your god? y/n" and i'd get a message saying Jure was indifferent to me. Hitting enter didn't help anything either. Maybe if I offer up a few corpses first and try again?

>>6018373
Well, why would you want to convert to a God you're already worshiping? Goodness sakes, you're supposed to pray at a different altar!

>>6018373
Tested again, donated the requisite corpses to pray again, stood on top of Itzpalt's altar, 'p'rayed - it prayed to Jure.

>>6018394
Oh dear... I hope you didn't offer the requisite corpses on Itzpalt's altar... You didn't, did you? You better not have. I'll kill you if you did.

>>6018406
I'm not that daft, and the name on the altar still says Itzpalt.

lack of contribution sage

>>6018415
Take a screenshot of yourself trying to pray on an altar of another God. If you somehow aren't getting the change Gods screen then something must be wrong.

Nevermind, guys, figured it out. I carry my own personal ceremony altar with me (enchanted with flying scrolls, helps me stay burdened) and everything worked fine after I dropped it.

>>6018440
What's your max weight? Even if the altar is flying scrolled quite a bit it would have taken a lot just to get it to a status where it would only make you burdened. How much flying scrolls did you use?

So what should I do for the next skill I buy? Marksman, pickpocket, gardening, investing, what? I'm a level 13 Juere Claymore with ok cash flow from party time quests and working on getting Mani's gun.

>>6018506
Are you playing 1.16? If so then pickpocketing so you can rob the adventurers who come to your home blind. If not then marksman if you're a ranged fighter. Investing is for when you've got buttloads of cash coming from performer. Gardening is if you worship Kumiromi.

>>6018535
I guess I'll go with marksman then. With my machine gun and ammo I can't even wear certain pieces of armor, let alone a claymore(to stay below 15s armor), so I figure I should probably be focusing on ranged combat.

Oh my fucking goodness. Found this little baby while on a treasure hunting spree with a stack of 15 blessed maps I got from dreams and quests. She came with the + critical hit bonus. Well, I'm just about ready to say goodbye to any semblance of game balance. What pets are good with scythes?

>>6008169
PV is only better in the beginning later in the game enemys will constantly paralize/confuse etc. you if you can't dodge them.

>>6018415
that is the purpose of the sage function, why would you feel it pertinent to announce?

Here's my equipment. The helm, wing, gloves and boots were inherited from my previous character. I've got three things with disturb growth, and I've used two potions of descent so far.

Here's my equipment. The helm, wing, gloves and boots were inherited from my previous character. I've got three things with disturb growth, and I've used two potions of descent so far.

Here's my sexy imouto sword. I wish it had an additional damage type, though.

>>6019487
Your trolling shenanigans will not work in this thread.

>>6019549
How cute, you're lucky to have an imouto like that.

Here's my loli scythe, she's a bit of a ditz and decapitates monsters by accident, but she's a good girl.

>>6019570

A strong loli.

Now, back to my nest of rabu.

Huh, this shop is only rank 70. You know despite all my aurora rings, seven leagues, and speed rings I've never seen a vindale cloak. I wonder if one will eventually show up in this shop. Wait do blacksmiths sell backwear? I can't remember if I've ever seen them do it for some reason.

>>6019393
I thought blessing maps didn't change anything.

It makes way too much fun to play this... I play barely ten days and I'm at 123 hours already. I managed to not fuck up my main character.
and OH GOD IS THE DESINING AWESOME.
I made a pic of my 'castle's base level ( which is a small castle map the size of a dungeon aka 60x80 ) but a 6MB jpg is a bit too large.
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/4112/myhomes.jpg

there are like 6 more levels to come for this. on another note, anyone else using the uploader in 1.22?

Also, anyone recommendations how I train strenght best? I worship Opatos and I'm at 397 strenght ( thats with bonus ) but I need like THOUSAND to steal those damn altars and pillars and stuff.

>>6021234
How the hell did you get a strength of 379?

>>6021311
Cheating, I imagine.

I just got round to acidproofing and fireproofing all my equipment. Do you think I need more PV? Most enemies can barely scratch me without breath attacks and magic.

>>6021492 here
I meant to type PV.

>>6021492 here
I meant to type DV not PV.

>>6021492
You've got both decent PV and DV now. What's really needed for high level play are resistances though. How decent are they?

By the way I'm not playing a fairy.

>>6021660
They're not bad, but they need work. What's the best way to raise them? eating corpses?

>>6021696
You can two extra levels worth of protection with corpses if you eat the right ones. Mutations also give extra resistance for a few things. But mainly it's all in the equipment. Honestly emerald isn't all that great, but it was the only way for me to get some actual nerve resist equipment. I'm missing one darkness resistance for eating dark corpses and two for lightning. After I've got normal intrisnic resistance for anything that has corpses for it.

>>6021696
>>6021696
Resistance to chaos chaos cloud, chaos eye
Resistance to darkness stalker, shadow stalker, sister, healer
Resistance to electricity Electric cloud
Resistance to fire Fire ent, Fire Crab, Fire Drake, Fire Centipede, Vesda the fire dragon
Resistance to ice Ice ent
Resistance to nerve Floating Eye, Mad Gaze, Death Gaze
Resistance to mind Mad Gaze, Yith, Pumpkin, Greater Pumpkin, Puppy (Pumkin Variety), Halloween Nightmare, <Azzrssil>
Resistance to poison All scorpions, all spiders (except blood spiders), all snakes

Well, that was a fun two-day stay. Too bad I still have -100 Karma, all the guards are dead, their walls are demolished and all the remaining prisoners are going to starve to death, assuming I don't go back to murder them.

Note: I did go back and murder all of them.

>>6021311
LOTS of favor with opatos ( over 40,000 right now ) and constant training. there are like 120 hours in that character. Opatos bonus is like what, 170 str or something. I also have +str equipment ( like 30 ) and the +str feat
most of my time i spend training str. or rather. so far nearly 100 hours str training.

>>6021803
Hey I have a challenge for you. Can you massacre every single town in Elona? From Port Kapul to Noyel killing every single person. Including the higher level NPCs such as Loyter, Vanity, and Ebon. Even the little sister's mansion should be obliterated. The guilds and their guildmasters too. And after all that the outposts and then the Smoke and Pipe Inn. Is your character evil enough to commit genocide on the whole nation of North Tyris?

>>6022082
Okay, what did you do to your faith skill? To have 40,000 favor you would need 400 faith. And faith can only be trained by sleeping or reading faith scrolls making it one of the hardest skills in the game to train.

>>6022116
i dont know what version you're playing but in 1.22 you can train faith with platin coins. in 1.22 you can farm platin coins like sand at the beach in south tyris

>>6022179
I meant trained as in skill experience. Training from trainers with platinum only raises the skill's potential.

>>6022200
it's still enough to get nearly +1 with two or three faith scrolls, which are relatively easy farmed in the puppy cave. it's do-able, just a VERY boring and tedious process

god the capcha pisses me off

>>6022108
No one is evil enough to slaughter the little sister mansion. As far as the towns go, evil enough, yes, have slaughtered a few, although when we bring Loyter, Ebon and Vanity into the picture it becomes less 'evil enough' and more 'powerful enough'. If Vanity doesn't kill me, I will most certainly die from Etherwind Disease or the dragons he summons. Ebon can be killed if he's still chained and Loyter is a gray area.

Another thing is if nukes are allowed or not. Do I have to unchain Ebon? Etc.

>>6022304
If you really want, you can skip Vanity. Ebon you can keep chained as it's evil to kill a defenseless man/giant. Also tourists and guards will start infinitely spawning if you do release him making it hard to make the place a ghost town. Nukes just make this challenge a bit too easy and impersonal, you need to personally hunt down every single NPC up and about and kill them. Well this is only a challenge, doesn't mean you have to do it.

>>6022362
... Tourists infinitely spawn if you let him loose? The lost wallet dropping ones?

:<

>>6022429
Apparently.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Noyel

><Moyer> the Crooked keeps the fire giant shackled up, and for a good reason. If you unshackle the giant (by opening the shackles next to him) then he will escape and burn everything in his path. He will never go after you deliberately, though, and an infinite number of Palmian elite guards and tourists will spawn to fight him (and lose, probably); the combined factors means that with a strong fire resistance you can dodge in and out of the havoc and grab everything of value that killed NPCs drop. Whilst he is keeping everyone busy you may also consider doing some looting using Pickpocket.

Bring a statue of Lulwy to make it rain so his fire attacks don't destroy everything on the ground.

>>6022933

His shackles are gone since the festival, I can't do an unlock ver 1.16. Is it fixed in the beta versions?

>>6022933
After trying this, none of the tourists who spawn to fight him drop lost wallets. Attacking him while he's chained also prompts the 'REALLY attack Ebon' choice every time you attack him, so pets don't help out.

Pic related.

>>6023013
IIRC the shackle is still there after the Noyel festival (1.22)

>>6023089

Thanks I might download it. Hopefully not too many bugs in this beta?

Is there a difference between a shopkeeper of magic store and a magic vendor?

>>6023173
Eh, some. About half the time I enter a moongate, the game crashes with an error code indicating that it tried to place me in a wall, so saving and exiting before entry is wise. The blackjack graphics thing got broken somewhere along the way (I think it was after 1.16 but i last played this around 1.13 so I can't be certain) but it's easily navigable. I haven't really noticed any issues otherwise, though. Check the changelog on the main site for some of the fixes since 1.16.

>Your hand is 20.
>The dealer's hand is 21.
>You lose.

Almost every single time I play Blackjack in Elona, the dealer gets a fucking great hand and either matches me and draws or just beats me outright.

I swear, this shit is rigged. I'm even playing with the "mewmewmew" +777 luck buff too.

Even with 350 DV, I still can't keep enemies from skewering my cute li'l 130 hp fairy ass. ;_;

>>6020085

I haven't seem them at a blacksmith's. I've found two from the general vendor in Derphy at shop lv 40 or so.

I've had a crazy amount of luck in this game.

-Within the first two hours of playtime, I managed to capture a gold bell in the puppy cave wielding nothing but my starting equipment + two rings I stole off of Lomias (One of which happened to be Miracle Quality).
-My little girl pet managed to get a wish for me upon returning to Vernis after a few more Puppy Cave money runs (largely unsuccessful, but for the Gold Bell). Received glass seven league boots of cold.
-Proceeded to rob adventurers blind, gaining a lv 42 monster ball, a Vindale Cloak, and an aurora ring, amongst other things.
-<Whom Dwell in the Vanity> killed himself via starvation, so I got all of his equipment.
-After nuking Palmia, killing everyone but the King, Queen, General, and a few spare beggars, an assassination attempt occurred. Queen's dead, got Miracle bardish for my troubles.
-20 wins in a row at Blackjack, received (56, 6) robe (or was it 6,56)? I don't recall.


Also, after foolishly believing that a mass monster infestation would be easy to kill with 5 lv 10 bells and a Titan, I managed to save-scum my way to victory against a horde of what became 73 Mass Monsters (My pets have lost Grenade priviliges).

I've finally reached the point where my hoarding of performance++ gear is paying off. Loyter got excited at my playing.

Then after the gig I check and realize I'm wearing my normal adventuring gear, not my performance gear.

Hell yeah, motherfucker.

>>6024894
>-Proceeded to rob adventurers blind, gaining a lv 42 monster ball, a Vindale Cloak, and an aurora ring, amongst other things.
>He uses 1.16
Fucking cheating tripfag.

>>6025646
I too use 1.16

haters gonna hate

Just upgraded to 1.22. What are the recipes?

>>6025832
You are a cheating faggot then.

>>6025646

Pretty sure 1.22 is a beta.

>>6026218
The beta is buggy. I'd rather be considered a "cheating faggot" than upgrade to a version of the game that's broken in multiple aspects.

>>6026269

The only bug I've seen was the blackjack text, which is utterly irrelevant to gameplay if you can count to 21.

>>6026354
can you?

When I buff my allies with a skill like cheer, how can I tell when it ends and I need to re-cast it?

>>6026269
There's no major bugg. Stop being an hypocrite.

>>6028459
For one thing, moongates are bugged. There are a bunch of other issues too. I tried out 1.22 for a little while, but ended up going back to 1.16. Haters gonna hate.

>>6029172
Mines aren't bugged. Also you just want to abuse the wish makers monsters.

>>6029420
>Also you just want to abuse the wish makers monsters.
Grasping at straws a bit, there.

>>6029420
>Exploiting is not cheating

>>6029172
What are you talking about? All the moongates I've entered haven't crashed once.

>>6029172
What bugs? List them, don't just say one problem you have with it and then not even go into it. All the moongates I've entered have worked for me so I have no idea what you're talking about with bugged moongates.

I have no idea what you could even be talking about for bugs really. In all the time I've been playing I've only heard of two I think. Glitched blackjack graphics and crashing when trying to eat a piece of equipment that maintains luck.

Just found this in a black market. Buy? Also in there was the {Elder Toy}, which also is pretty good. And boosts...faith...

It feels like the Outer Gods are growing interested in me. Of course, with all the items with Phantasm in their name, they may be trying to beat the Youkai of Boundaries to the punch...

...Now I want to pretend I can worship Yog Sothoth out of fear of Yukari.

>>6030639
Pass on that weapon, unless you are really desperate for performance skill (or dual wield for your pet haha). The negative weightlifting is pretty horrible in combo with performer though. Also, the Ice Bolt will be a nightmare for any pet that uses ranged. You could use it of course, but its annoying to avoid hitting your pets when Ice Bolt goes off.

>>6030654
Bought it for future performers.

Just to check, is this good for an aurora ring? Bought it for 1 gold.

...dear god, the man has a family.

Is there a way to use no-drop (and other * commands) on a laptop keyboard? The only way I can access it is to press shift-8, and shift closes the menu...

>>6031056

The only way I can think of is if your keyboard has a fn num lock button - have you tried that?

>>6030774
what the flying... thats one awesome ring.
On another note, anyone saw that Pandemonium moongate that contained like 100 dragons? yeah.. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT

Oh look, my first living weapon! Just how powerful can it get?

>>6031360
level 10+ ( or 15+ ) and it starts sucking blood and all kinds of shit
highlevel living weapons get bad
thats why I stick to normal artefacts

>>6031381

Name scrolls.

>>6031383
explain further ( in-depth )
I'm not at it for that long yet

>>6031410

Using a name scroll on a living weapon changes it's level up table (and allows for stacking of wanted attributes). It can also stave off bloodsucking.

>>6031410
It's something about how the name a living artifact has is the determining factor for what upgrades the weapon gets as it levels, and changing the name changes the ability set. I haven't even found one yet though so no experimenting to confirm/deny my hypotheses.

Can you get a ranged living weapon, for example a living machine gun?

>>6031529

Yes. I have a living shotgun.

>>6031529
Yes.

Speaking of which, is a living rubynus machine gun worth using? I already have the C96 Mauser Custom, so...

>>6031552
Compare damage outputs and distance modifiers, and maybe level the weapon a bit to experiment. Personally, I'd recommend using it.

I found this thing rather early into my game, it's ridiculous

I never find stuff that good, but I have like ###################+ on metabolism ( actually, 14x #) so I can chow down a lot of food.
also, does it make sense to lose some fame on purpose to lower imposed taxes? not below 50k though, for the panic and challange quests.
or is it worth getting more fame and going to party time quests ( I am quite a good performer )

when i first started i blew up those 2 people that rescued me and took their items. the lightning dagger is awesome.

btw how to find a lot of scrolls of return? ;_;

>>6031732
Have fun getting corrupted!

Living weapons are pieces of crap with only novelty value. They never get any worthwhile bonuses. You guys are better off just using a fixed artifact weapon until something really good pops up.

>>6031973
Am I smelling sarcasm?

>>6031973
Hacker.

>>6031973
8 effects at level 8? seems a bit like elosnack

>>6032345
i mean level 6. goddammit, its late

>>6032357
No, it's valid. It's just name scrolled. The decapitation is from it being a scythe, the lightning resistance is because of material, and the critical plus was an intrisnic. He posted this scythe when he just found it in an earlier thread. The damages are all from name changes when leveling.

>>6032373

Is right. It could be perfectly valid.

>>6031973

I want that scythe. Badly.

still looks like a lot of name-changing to get those effects, srsly.
i havent even found a living weapon yet. I want a polearm.

>>6032426
>still looks like a lot of name-changing to get those effects, srsly.

You need to change the name every level to get the perfect sequence of bonuses, so he had to use five scrolls of name. It's worth it, though.

Now, if only he would share the sequence he used. I checked out the japanese wiki, and found a name list for living weapons, but it didn't seem to match my weapons, or maybe I did something wrong or didn't interpret the list properly. It could be that the ranged weapon name list is borked, or something. I suppose I'll try out the list when I get a melee living weapon I like.

Just bought this off a wandering vendor for ~20k.

>>6032584
And soon after found a living stone on a vendor visiting my home.

Just started a new file today.

-Fairy Pianist
-Goddess of Luck
-Managed to roll 18 years old with a light enough bow and arrow to fight with.
-Stole a Godly ring from Lomias
-8 freaking adventurers my first time in Vernis
-Robbed them blind, traded for their last items, robbed them again.
-3 pages of nothing but stolen jewelry, weapons, and armors up to 5 stone in weight.
-46,5 spirit cloth robe, godly helmet
-Got two wishes (Derphy and Kapul), got glass seven league boots and a dungeon deed.
-20 wins in a row at blackjack, got some decent godly crossbow bolt.

>>6024894
Oh, and to clarify, I'm talking about two different files. One for laptop, newer one on desktop. I was just going to port the laptop one over (along with the pictures from it), but I'm being lazy.

Oh yeah, I'm talking about two separate files. Previous one for my laptop, newer one for my desktop.
>>6025646
Don't want to go through trouble of dealing with beta stuff. And while I did actually steal the aurora ring and monster ball, I purchased the cloak in Derphy about the same time I made a ranch.

>>6032552
>Now, if only he would share the sequence he used.
Yeah, okay, I'll do that.
But the sequence for melee weapons and ranged weapons differ, and I discovered that it didn't match the wiki at all while fooling around with a crossbow from my shop, so if that's what you're trying to work on...

Oh you 1.16 pickpocket babies. You might as well turn on Wizard Mode if you're going to abuse pickpocket in an outdated version. There's pretty much no reason why you shouldn't be playing on the beta; my last who-knows-how-many-hours in Elona are on it and I've only crashed when trying to enter moongates once. It's perfectly fine!

>>6032864
I play 1.22 and I don't even crash while trying to enter moongates.

>>6032864
Just curious... what's different about pickpocket in 1.22? I didn't see anything besides "adventurers can now call guards over when stealing fails".

Reported
Back to /v/ please

>>6032884
It's /tg/. If you are going to send people back to their board, know that roguelikes belong in /tg/.

>>6032799
Forgot to mention, there is a ##### lightning damage mentioned on the comments page that works for ranged weapons. Going from 1 -> 2 it is on page 227 letters F, G, and H.

>>6032894
Are elona threads even that popular in /tg/?
The only reason I come to /jp/ is for Elona general because they will _never_ show up in /v/.

>>6032909
I similarly reasoned that this game was too weeaboo-ish for /v/, and not 'traditional' enough for /tg/. Plus, I usually see an elona thread here every day. This game gets no love.

>>6032909
They aren't that popular, but on the bright side, you can also post about other roguelikes, such as that serial killer one that's coming out. My 10-year old girl maniac shall rule supreme.

エローナは何ですか？
それは日本のですか？
私はそれをプレイしたいの！

>>6032935
Haven't played any roguelikes besides this, though I may have to try out whichever one you're talking about.

>>6032936
Oh, yeah. Need to install moonrunes on this computer. Thanks for the reminder.

そして
>名前: "Gay Finger Shack"
>私の顔

>>6032942
It's just called Serial Killer Roguelike.

>>6032956
When is this coming out?

>>6032944
問題ないだよ！

>>6032958
Expect a demo in two months.

>>6032935
this isn't for real you know, check the guy's youtube page.

>>6032967
>Hilarious. People will believe anything these days.

>OMG I CAN HAZ SERIAL KILLER SIMULATION?

>No. No you fucking cant.

もう一度お願い, けど...

エローナは何ですか？必要があります！！

>>6032981
>>download
>http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/index_e.html
>
>>wiki
>http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elona_Wiki

>>6032681

I approve! How do I edit things like that?

>>6032799

That's fine, I know they differ. But to have a sequence that actually works is better than nothing. So when I find a decent melee weapon, I can at least get something good out of it. For a pet, at least, if not for myself. I'd love to give my claymore pet a scythe like yours. Or any weapon as good as yours, for that matter.

>>6032992
あら, 見ていない. ありがとう

ユー マド？

>>6033058

>>6033006
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Custom_NPC_sprite
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Custom_portrait
for editing NPC's looks.

http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3236
for creating your own custom NPC.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=10PHNZIN
and just as a bonus, a collection of CNPCs and moongates someone else compiled.

>>6033089
And while you're at it, you might as well add in that you can open cdatan.s1 in notepad to actually answer the question he asked.

>>6033106
fuck where is my mind, that works a bit better.

>>6033089

Thankyou kindly sir, however it appears the original gentleman in question is playing with as a custom race, I was wondering if you happened to know how to do this?

>>6033106
Interesting. Unfortunatly when I open it in notepad it displays gibberish even when running notepad in jp mode.

oh wait, wrong file, cheers.

...odd. When I read a scroll of oracle, it said something about a white key being held by someone in a dungeon.

>>6033742

there's a skeleton key that exists. It's probably that. Never come across it myself.

>>6033742
That's the skeleton key. it greatly helps with lockpicking. Memorize who was the one holding it. If you've already forggoten then that sucks. Find that adventurer using the investigator and bring something really valuable to trade for it.

This was expensive as fuck. Guess how much it cost me. Also I couldn't just kill the vender and steal it since it was one of my employed ones.

>>6033810
Already did so.

Guy is level 71, so killing via brute force is out (killing via trickery, ala killing Friesa via Shield of Thorns, may still work), and precious artifacts already are hard to trade for.

The adventurer who found it is named Posha, which reminds me of that inflatable enemy from DigDug.
>>6033865
...what the fuck. That has to be 10 million + EASY.

captcha: meme guital
Guitars are memes?

>>6033911
Are you at the point where you can Kill Lomias reliably? If you are consider a bow of vinderre since those are easy to get. I have six lying around in my home and ranches around Palmia. Shena's panty and Beggar's Pendant also work depending on what appears in party time quests for you. If they don't seem to cut it, try blessing one of them and using enchant scrolls. Also search for "art" in your elona folder for your art.log. It's basically what your game reads to you and wipes when you read an oracle scroll. Simply open it and read it each time you enter a party time quest to see if something spawns.

Actually the shield only cost 5.8 million by the way. Still cut very heavily into my savings.

>>6033961
...and this wasn't even the black market.

Holy god. If that thing was in there...

...it would likely cost 1 gold, wouldn't it.

>>6034006
Black market vender actually. They can be hired.

>>6034037
I never knew that. This is almost as awesome as the never ending stream of artifacts with Phantasms in the name!
Off to fire that useless healer and start investing in black market technology!

Is there any way to learn pickpocketing without being in the thieves' guild?

>>6034183
Wishing, I believe. Not sure what the command is, search the wiki.

>>6034183
The super-duper hard Thieves Guild Challenge.
If you can break into the guild and survive long enough to make it to the room in the lower right corner of the map while taking care not to accidentally kill the trainer, you can use a disguise kit on the ground there to get the entire guild off your ass, and then you can use the trainer normally.

>>6034217
Oh, but that would mean you're still physically in the thieves' guild even though you aren't in the thieves' guild, so maybe that's not what you're looking for.

>>6034217
There is the option of bringing your own disguise kit isn't there? As well as bringing an incognito scroll. Or just casting it as a mage.

>>6034287
Well, sure, if you want to take all the fun out of it, go ahead and do what you want.

>>6033865

What's your vendor level and type? I'm trying to earn money quickly, but not too sure what is a faster way than just doing the town quests over and over.

I keep getting killed when I try to buy and trade. ver 1.22.

>>6033865
I feel embarrassed. I've been playing for a while, and I still haven't got everything figured out. What do the little insignias mean? I see them occasionally but I've never ran across them in my game.

>>6034604

You won't see them unless you're using a beta version. I forget the earliest beta in which they appear, but definitely in 1.22. Anyway, it's a beta feature, and supposedly when you can combine artifacts in the future, the modifications with an insignia will be the ones to transfer to the new artifact.

So, they aren't anything important yet.

>>6034671
Ah, that would explain the recipes <2 artifacts fusion> and <3 artifacts fusion> I've seen as well. (different guy here than the one you were answering)

how do i install custom npcs and moon gates?

Well, well, thank you Lomias.

>>6002597
no

okay I'm trying this game out. Im making a character and I am rolling stats. How do I get passed this screen?

Sorry forgot to add the Proceed option takes me back to class choices.

>>6034882
No idea why that would happen. Could you post a screenshot of the screen you're stuck at? I don't think much people ever have troubles creating a character so I'm not sure why you would be having this problem.

I just started an imp ranch in hopes of (quite literally) farming name scrolls. Is there any reason this will not work?

>>6035037
Even if you breed them name scrolls are still rare as fuck. You might have a better chance getting wishes to wish for name scrolls then getting them from imps. They come at three for a wish.

If you're willing to scum a bit farming them though you could possibly get name scrolls at a decent rate. Simply shoot all imps bred, if name scroll dropped yay, if not then quit out of game by clicking the X and reopen game. Repeat.

Can not leave my home. Map loading fails. Anyone know how to fix this?

>>6035223
Maybe your game's files are corrupt. Make a backup of your character's save files, re-extract the game files from the ZIP archive, and then put your save files in the proper directory. I'm not 100% sure that will work, but it could possibly solve the problem.

If the problem still persists, your save file might be messed up too.

I finally got a barbecue set, a food processor, and a food maker (and a kitchen, an oven, and a sink, but they aren't as good if I understand correctly). Which one cooks best?

Which race and class is best to pick?

>>6022179

I got curious about this... i know south tyris, but isn't it like.. totally empty? What beach and how exactly do you farm plat there

Oh great, my living weapons starts drawing blood at level 6, but I've never seen any scrolls of name for sale... I guess I'll just check out my rank 101 magic vendor now and then...

>>6035353
Depend on your play style, all race and classes has the potential to be strong, some just take longer time *cough*snailtourist*cough*

Juere Swordsman would be a pretty good choice for a beginner

Found a scythe that can invoke Mist of Silence. And deals massive damage against undead (#####+). And is only miracle quality, so I could upgrade it to adamantium/diamond.

Is this game telling me to grab the highest resistances possible and start swinging at Azzssril the Impure? (Friesa is already down and out [thank you Shield of Thorn and 380+PV] and Ultima is...much harder than I remember. [Last time I killed him on my now lost save file, I took him out at level 18. This time I'm level 32 and can't do a thing to him.])

Just to check, what was the rarest ancient book you found? I just found the Eltdown Shards, how many points will that score me?

[early on I found a Necronomicon on an adventurer, so I stole it and read it MUCH later. 11 points, baby]

>>6035223
Happened to me when I died inside my home during the tutorial in 1.22, just had to restart which I'm guessing you've done by now.

How do you easily kill Azzssril again? MP Drain didn't work (ran out of healing, not a single overcast, and had dropped him to HALF HEALTH BY THAT POINT), I can't find enough resistance for darkness to completely cancel that out (magic ironically is high enough to render that in single digits), and actually damaging him is borderline impossible. And neither the twin bell or titan can last long enough to do much, if anything, to him. (For future reference, that titan could tank a level 90+ minotaur and kill said minotaur off before it died without any outside help, and the twin bell...is broken, but even it goes down to the repeated spells eventually.)

Levelwise, I'm 32, the Titan is 40, and the twin bell has actually leveled up... a LOT. Got it at level...10 or 15, now it's at level 27.

Also, what god pet should I use to round out the team? (I have ALL SEVEN available for use thanks to ranches, so switching from Lulwy won't be needed)

Is it just me or do all these idiot adventurers seem to keep wanting to wear doomed or cursed equipment? I'm getting tired of handing them scrolls of uncurse and vanish curses.

>>6036416
Defender is probably the best pet, since it can heal you and your pets. It can also revive a pet killed once per sleep cycle.

On top of that it has good stats and can rock heavy armor no problem.

Black Angel is useful, too, but it's fairly fragile. None of the other pets really match up.

I only have 3 somewhat decent pets (a gagu, a greater mummy and a juere swordsman) out of 15 slots (yay for being a powerhouse pianist that doesn't even need pets most of the time). Any ideas how to catch the damn things? I have the monster heart, but my dominate spell only has about 30% chance of success...

>>6037596
Get scrolls of ally for miracle pets. I have a <fairy>, <mercenary archer> (incidentally 20 levels higher than me) and <harpy> and I haven't even used all my ally scrolls yet.

>>6035392
This was confusing me too, but it really depends on how you understand his sentence.
>In 1.22, you can farm platinum coins like sand at the beach in South Tyris.
So, this can mean that there exists a beach in South Tyris where one can farm platinum coins, or that platinum coins come rolling in so fast, it is just like picking up sand at a South Tyris beach.

>>6038415
every 1-3 encounter in the wilderness has silver bells. sometimes TWO silver bells
thats in south tyris though
enter map, look around, kill silver bell, exist, repeat.
my new record is 582 platin coins in what, 6 hours of intensive farming?

>>6038913
Oh whoa, whoa... I thought it was just a badly worded simile. Holy crap, is that supposed to be a bug or a feature?

>>6038913
you kind sir are a piece of shit

>>6038941
What

>>6038934
I think it's a natural result of there being no towns at all in South Tyris, and every wilderness encounter says Distance from Town: 1000, so it spawns some good enemies.

Any way to stop equipment appearing on over your charater and their pets? I've got a mutant with that Saya body and I'd prefer if her armour didn't cover her up.

>>6039554
find and use any dresser, there's one in the cyberdome.

>>6039569
Ah! I never knew about that. I love finding out little things like that.

Is it possible to get a treasure map that sends you hunting over in South Tyris or the test world?

Found this just now. Any idea how often the null attribute triggers? Will it mean I pretty much never take physical damage?

Buy?

>>6041644
Shields that enhance the Two Hand skill. Fucking genius.

just download

wat race

>>6041742
Mutants are the Master Race. If you're not a a glorious mutant, you are nothing.

>>6041742
Go into the config file and set debug races to yes.

Now guess harder.

>>6041688
Nevermind, bought it anyways. 1.5 million gold, even with stupid negotiation.

Of course, being a godly class item with stupid bonuses that actually was of a high class material (diamond is about as good as you can get) made it a easy sell anyway.

>>6041880
I'm pretty sure that rubynus, emerald and adamantium are better than diamond, but DAMN, ##### magic resistance on a weapon, so awesome.

How can you see what your favor is with your god?

I've given tons of offerings for my god and haven't even gotten the first reward yet. And I do have the required faith level in order to get the amount of favor required to get the first gift.

>>6042134
If you haven't been paying attention to how much you've been giving then no. You can only wait until you get a gift message after offering or an indifference message when you've reached the favor cap. It's about 61 offerings of your God's favorite gift before you get the first gift.

>start game
>enter moongate
>where is this? Oh look I am being greeted
>what the hell is going on in the log?
>Hey, get out of my way
>MOVE IT
>GET OUT OF MY- OH GOD

>>6042223
>enter moongate
>select one of those from that zip file
>end up in Hakurei Shrine
>see Reimu
>shoot Reimu
>dies in one shot
>see Rumia
>shoot Rumia
>dies in one shot
>see Mima
>shoot Mima
>actually lasts about 5 rounds

...turns out that Reimu is low tier.

>>6042223
Seriously though, what am I supposed to do in here and how do I get out?
I wandered my way into the middle and found a staircase that doesn't work. The log mentions something about a blue crystal being nearby

dammit, all those moongates with custom enemies.
HOW DO YOU DO THEM
I am godlevel at designing dungeons and stuff but how do I place enemies and custom enemies ( with scripts ) in my maps?

Where do you get alchemy kits? I want to make some potions of potential!

>>6043480
General vendors, but they're often laying about in dungeons. However, you'd need years of gathering materials to get the skill level for potions of potential. Unless you cheat, in which case you might as well cheat yourself potions of potential to begin with.

>>6043498
Hacked it to 1000, just for fun and so I can actually use all of those materials I have laying around from random events. 1.22 if that matters.(as if anything's past potential anyway)

>>6043498
I've picked up jeweler gear to make scrolls of change material without wasting paper to get the skill up there, so I don't see why the same couldn't be done for alchemy. The materials needed to create the potion would be a slight problem, but at least it'll be faster to bring fishing up to the proper level.

>>6043498

You don't need to cheat, you just need to already be rich as hell and buy tons of gain material scrolls. You might need a mix of blessed and cursed ones though since I have no idea if blessed gives rarer materials or just more materials.

>>6043504
...ok...so there was something that actually required a number that high.
Just bought a recipe to fuse 3 artifacts together. Since I found a frying pan for testing (yes that was the name) in a dungeon that let's me use said recipes, opened it up...
...I think maybe 999 alchemy required is a bit overkill...and that means that my hacked 1000 alchemy does the trick!
Anyway, how does this thing work? What determines the item type generated (sword, claymore, vindale cloak, etc.)? What determines the attributes passed on? What determines the item grade (miracle or godly)? What reason is there to have a requirement that ridiculous (if it takes YEARS of ingame time to even reach 45 for potions of potential...)?

>>6043550

Dem japs love their grindan, thats what.

>>6043577
It would take DECADES OF PLAYTIME before you ever could start thinking about maybe getting close enough to make the last of the difference up with gear.

Not even an MMORPG would be this ridiculous (after all, you want people to actually do it before they die of old age).

>>6043593

Also you could probley find things that would outclass what you are even trying to make with this long before you ever get enough alchemy.

Love dat grindan.

Since a lot of you know quite a bit about the game, it'd be nice if you could contribute to the wiki. There are a lot of subjects that don't have articles here:
http://elona.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:WantedPages&limit=500&offset=0

>>6043550
>>6043577
>>6043593
>>6043680

The skill level required is 999 because it's still a feature under testing, thus unsuitable to be made available normally. After it's rounded out a bit it might be brought into a reasonable required level range.

>>6043859
Has anyone even tested it yet? Does it even work?

>>6042253

Is there actually anything to do in moongates?

>>6044282
Depends on the individual moongate. Keep in mind that moongates are the houses of other players.

>>6044933

Ah, okay. Hopefully it doesn't affect their stuff, because I kept trying to grab a monster ball on the ground that had an Ehekatl in there, but couldn't. Got bored then started to set the place on fire.

>>6042253

What zip file is this? I'm assuming you can't take anyone from player homes as well?

>>6044996
As far as I know, you can't steal items from moongates, but you can tame pets, even custom ones.

>>6045025

Cool, thank you for the info! The wikia doesn't seem like it has much info on moon gates.

im not sure if this is working but i used a rod of domination on a quickling and im using it to get godly speed in a ranch. the thing is i ate 1 of them already yet i dont know if the speed raised or not because i didnt saw anything change in my speed stat. Using that dragon ring which reduces speed doesnt affect the bonus?

>>6045120

I believe you have to eat quite a few quicklings to increase your speed by 1.

Just found a crossbow that did this and gave it to my bell. I didn't know any of the attributes on the crossbow did this either ;__;

>>6045120
I'm pretty sure quicklings and their kin have a breed power of 0, and thus do not reproduce at a ranch?

>>6045245
That crossbow has the modifier "It brings an end.", which is singularly the most powerful modifier in the entire game.

You win every time you use it.

>>6045245
It brings an end, see
>>6032584
planning to give it to my bell as well, though both my bells are unequipped right now because they're broken as hell.

>>6045163
so much for my original idea then. i should stick to blessed hermes blood then?
I got enough dv to evade everything that comes but im really slow thanks to the ring. Also im tired of not being able to buy stuff all the time because of karma -100 should i make a gene and start again? i got a huge list of bills... too many to pay

>>6045251
Yep they have reproductive power of 0 but i got lucky one time and got another one. also it breeded one of these auto guns or wathever they are called and thats all it have breeded so far

>>6045283
Well you could just learn riding and get a mount. If you use a mount the ring's speed decrease doesn't affect you. There's also the option of investing a ton in Moyer and buying speed rings to make raw with material scrolls and then eating those, but that would cost so much it would be ridiculous.

>>6045329
Does that work in 1.22? I tried to eat a raw shield as I heard it would raise stats on the shield, but the game just crashed.

>>6045329
Damn, thanks man i had totally forgot about mount i havent trained that though. Still there's that karma problem should i just keep leveling till i can rape overworld vendors (i've beated some already, others are still too hard) or just gene? also what use are the bills you can buy with small coins?

>>6045346
It only crashes if it's got luck a part of it due to it working on different mechanics. So if it maintains luck, don't eat. Anything else is fair game including speed.

>>6045360
Pretty sure the workshop bills are for 0gp, but don't take my work for it.

>>6045360
Well basically they're for if you lose the bills you've been getting monthly and still want to pay off your bills. Not really needed if you haven't just been dropping your bills in the wilderness.

>>6045365
Ah alright, thanks.
>>6045372
Meant to say word.

Is there a faster way to make money? 1.22 seems like it sucks a bit.

>>6045710
For me, very high level fishing and cooking is a good tactic. Big tuna fish sushi sells for a lot, remora sushi sells at the cap, and whale SOUP sells at the cap.

>>6045710
The fastest way is performing really. It's just much harder to get started in 1.22 unless you find some gear with +performer. When you do become a good performer though the skill starts going up like crazy for some reason. I also have a nearly full performer gear outfit missing only a helmet and an ammo. Since ammos can't get enchantments besides ammotypes and ones from material that means only a helmet really. Each piece of gear has ## performer skill besides for the ranged weapon which has ### increase meaning I have a 60-105 skill boost in performer. This gear is entirely pointless though since my skill is already in the nineties. Will be useful when I start an heir though.

>>6045753

How high level?
I got cooking, for obvious reasons, but not fishing yet, and I was planning to take it up when I got to Ehekatl on a godloop. For now, I'm performing in party time quests for fairly decent gold and some stuff (trying to get the artifacts people throw for performing as well). I would have had a million or three gold by now if I didn't spend it on stuff. I don't exactly need extreme gold at the moment, but I can't say it would hurt.

>>6045782
With good fishing and gear, around 20 for each.
(about 1 ### boost for each will do the trick)

>>6045753
>>6045762

I'll try that, right now my Performer is 38.353 and my fishing and cooking is 8. I'll try to get the performing up at the little sister place though - my luck I always have a stupid nun that throws rocks at me and then I die.

I think my stats went down for some reason while I was in 1.22 too. I thought I had around ~85 charisma, but it's at 78.

>>6045853
Just buy a ranch and breed putits.

>>6045880

Eh, that's true. I'll just deal with it since it's not that bad. As long as I have over 70 then that's fine. I'll probably have to play this version more just to get used to it.

>>6045899
Heh, reminds me of how I actually wasn't getting that much money from performing once.

Then I saw that that sweet Al'ud LOWERED my performance. Why would an instrument do that?

i want to kill the low level adventurers will more adventurer fodder take their place or will the adventurer list go down until i killthem all and it'll be empty?

>>6045905
No fucking clue. The Kill Kill Piano does that, too. Maybe it just gets all beaten up and broken from being used in combat?

>>6045945

They'll be revived, just like you, and they'll try to kill you the next time they see you. Wherever it is that you see them.

Until you kill them so much that they just up and leave North Tyris altogether due to your constant harassment. You bastard.

>>6045905

Does it delevel the skill, or just decrease the skill until you unequip it?

Fuck. I need to start performing more. Probably have to try to increase speed too, since I can only play my Stradivarius twice in a party.

>>6045905
It protects you from the rocks people throw at you rather than actually increase your performance?

Sort of a roundabout way to keep you alive during a session, i suppose.

>>6045905
>>6045961

They're combat instruments, and thus very poorly suited for performance. They're also probably enchanted.

A fully golden piano would be a terrible instrument, and would result in a horrid performance (note that I'm not talking about pianos that have been gilded in some external manner unrelated to its performance - that's a completely different thing, and that I'm talking about completely mundane properties - the manga that inspired the Kill Kill Piano in Elona is not related in this manner to my commentary on a fully golden piano).

A lute designed and/or enchanted to be a spectacular shield would also make a poor instrument.

Plus the fact that these are specially enchanted items, and so take into account the fact that these aren't made for performing but for assisting someone in combat.

But maybe they'll be changed in the future to boost performance instead. Either is acceptable, I think. I like them as performance penalty items, though.

>>6045971

That's an interesting way to think about it. I've never equipped it for a performance, so I wouldn't know. Maybe it does increase survivability. That would be interesting. Well, I have good enough performing gear that at this point I don't need protecting, and that's just from gear alone.

Aww, crap... I just discovered that the bonus list for living weapons has changed between versions. From what I can make out on the wiki, it's because new enchantments have been added... It would seem that some bonuses are still in the same place, and that made me think there was no problem, but it's inconsistent.

>>6045993
Just teleport away Loyter if you see him around.

Where are these bonus lists?

Well I want to see what this dagger is like.

>>6046416
http://elona.wikiwiki.jp/?cmd=read&page=%A5%A2%A5%A4%A5%C6%A5%E0%2F%A5%A8%A5%F3%A5%C1%A5%E3%A5%F
3%A5%C8%2F%C0%B8%A4%AD%A4%C6%A4%A4%A4%EB%C9%F0%B4%EF&word=%C0%B8%A4%AD%A4%C6%A4%A4%A4%EB%C9%F0%B
4%EF%20%CC%BE%C1%B0

Happy happy happy~

>>6046466
Fuck you. Over 200 hours and I haven't encountered either the Zantetsu or the Hiryu-to.

>>6045710
Trade is nice but require quite a bit of capital and lot of time, it would help a lot if you could get a Seven Boots League.

First of all, do quests from town, preferably Before it's Too Late, buy two storage house deed, one at Port Kapul and another one at Derphy. Make sure to buy every single scroll of return you see.

Keep doing quest until you have enough money to buy Deed of Shack, make one at Noyel, then use the rest of your money to buy cargos from both Port Kapul and Derphy, you can download the trade chart here: http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4449&p=24821&hilit=trade#p24821 to see list of profitable cargo.

After you think you had enough, use scroll of return to return to your home, and sell all those cargos. Repeat as much as you like, free free to change the location too since travel from or to Noyel could be a pain in the ass.

>>6046482
Thanks for the info! I usually do runs from Noyel to Port Kapul, but I never thought to put a house near one of the two locations and use return scrolls to teleport there to save time. I just do the cargo runs by foot, and it can get kind of annoying, what with the rogue bosses and all. I do have seven league boots and other +traveling gear, but even with all that, when you have a big load of cargo, travel takes a while.

This seems like an interesting stone for a bell. Should I get it?

>>6046632
Traveling doesn't improve traveling speed. It just gives you more experience when you travel.

Got a follower's kite shield of zylon from my blackmarket vender for 800k. I decided to Garok it and then spam change material scrolls on it. It now matches the shield I bought for 5.8 million.

does your god being indifferent to your gifts cancel them out? I've been at it awhile now and don't seem to be getting anywhere 100+ offerings by now, though I've been praying every time I get the indifferent message now

>>6046968
Praying reduces your favor by 15%... it's offering stuff at an alter that increases your favor. Also, make sure you have a high enough faith level.

Your maximum allowable favor is ([your faith level] * 100) + 25, and the minimum favor for the first reward is 1525 IIRC, so you'd need 15 or more faith and have a lot of offerings. Keep in mind that certain things get you more favor than others, so the exact amount of offerings you need varies depending on what exactly you offer. I don't remember what it is for the 2nd and 3rd rewards, but they should be on the wiki somewhere.

If you're getting the indifferent message a lot, it means you've hit your ceiling value for favor. Just wait until you level up faith a bit more before offering anything else.

ah that explains it.
I read something about it elsewhere but it was sort of misleading, thanks for clearing that up.

Uh... what should i do? I'm too weak to try oppose that adventure.

>>6047252
you and me both brother, try and fail at pickpocketing?

>>6047276
read chat

>>6047252

Got any cursed booze? Or a lot of booze?
You can always get them later.

I have a helm and a ring that gives me an extra attack, but does it stack, or does it just take from the higher of the two?

>>6050204
I hate you. Then again, I have almost every special artifact in the game (aside from the helm, only ones I'm missing are the Kill Kill Piano, Ragnarok, the Rail Gun, Friesa's Tail, the Twin Edge, the Arbalest, Shena's Panty, the Vanilla Rock, the Ether Dagger, and the Stradivarius. Out of THOSE, only Ragnarok and the Rail Gun are out of my league to acquire (have two wishes just WAITING to be burned, and with contingency up, I probably can just throw cursed booze at Kumiromi until he falls over). The Kill Kill Piano is only a matter of performing a LOT (already got the Al'ud), the Twin Edge is only a matter of time, as is the Arbalest, Shena's Panty and the Ether Dagger are jokes to get (I could even shoot for Ragnarok as well), and the Vanilla Rock is also only a matter of time.

Back on topic, I believe they stack. Wear both of them and hope you get the Twin Edge (very rare drop from the mitra family). I believe you will kill things at a stupid rate.

>>6050384

I only have that, the Shena's Panty and the Stradivarius. I really wish I could find the Hiryu-to, but waiting for an adventurer to get one so I can see if I can trade them. Not too good with getting artifacts other than those three unfortunately.

>>6050509

Oh yeah. Thank you for the info!

Also I guess this thread is now autosaged. Hopefully a fresh one will pop up later tonight.