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6021846 No.6021846 [Reply] [Original]

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT, TYPE-MOON.

GOD FUCKING *DAMMIT*.

I HAVE TO TELL FUCKING EVERYONE THAT EXCALIBUR AND CALIBURN ARE TWO NAMES FOR THE SAME FUCKING SWORD AND NO, CALIBURN IS NOT THE NAME OF THE SWORD IN THE STONE, THANKS TO YOU AND YOUR STUPID MYTH-FUCKING

Yeah, I mad.

>> No.6021861

We already know Type-Moon is shit.

>> No.6021880

whatever

>> No.6021887

Actually, either way is a different interpretation.

Whether Caledfwlch was in a stone and pulled to decide the true king or given up from the Lady of the Lake to Arthur is unclear.

It could be both (e.g. the Lady of the Lake repaired Caledfwlch instead of giving him a different sword). It could be as it was in F/SN (different swords, one shattered).

It's likely the sword in the stone had no name, and Caliburn is synonymous with Excalibur. In this view, F/SN gives the nameless sword the less-used name for ease of use.

Wait, what about KING ARTHUR BEING A GIRL, GUYS?

>> No.6021890
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>>6021887

>> No.6021895

>>6021880

/thread

>> No.6021907

Tell us the real legend, then.

The one that began in the 12th century.

>> No.6021910

>>6021846
Is it really necessary for anyone to include "I mad" in any post? Someone that would respond to you with "u mad?" has an existence that isn't even worth acknowledging.

>> No.6021911

>>6021907

In WELSH.

>> No.6021920

>>6021910

Writing "I mad in your post increases the chance of someone replying "u mad" by a 50%

>> No.6021923

>>6021890

You are now imagining this as a sketch starring Graham Chapman, John Cleese, Terry Gilliam, Eric Idle, Terry Jones, and Michael Palin.

>> No.6021927

>>6021846
Are you fucking serious? In a series where King Arthur is female you complain about that?

>> No.6021938

Do you really think Nasu actually cares about this kind of shit?

>> No.6021942

But before Fate/Stay night, it was even worse : all anons thought there was only one sword. At least Nasu brought back in the idea there is two different swords in the oldest version of the myth ( since 1981's Excalibur serves as the milestone for every current Arthurian adaptation in every other media).

>> No.6021949

>>6021923
I was imagining that already.

Actually, I kinda thought that was the point.

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>>6021938

Nasu's actually pretty handy with his legends.

Example: notice how Medusa 'summons' Pegasus.

>> No.6021958

>>6021951
... that's how Pegsus was born (cept she didn't suicide, but well..)

>> No.6021964

>>6021951
With lots of blood?

So the Sword in the Stone has no name then?
Also, if the SinS was broken because it wasn't made specifically for combat, why is that when Shirou traced it it took off 7 of Beserker's lives and Excalibur couldn't even scratch him?

>> No.6021965

>>6021951
By having her neck-period?

>> No.6021969

>>6021951
Accurate.

Poor, poor Medusa. Her only mistake was being too pretty.

>> No.6021978

>>6021951
So... does this count as zettai ryouki?

>> No.6021987

>>6021964

>Also, if the SinS was broken because it wasn't made specifically for combat,

No, just because King Pellinor was too hardcore.

>> No.6021995

>>6021964
>>6021965

Pegasus sprung forth from Medusa's neck after her head was severed by Perseus.

She doesn't quite go for full severance here, but it's good enough.

>> No.6022029

>>6021995
Yeah, I remember raging a lot about that (and many other things) back when I saw the first "Clash of the Titans".

>> No.6022142

OP here, with cruise control off.

>>6021927
No.

I'm complaining about people taking it to be exactly how the myth is, rather than an invention of Type-MOON (which I actually don't really mind) and nothing more. Kind of like fucktarded faggots who think 'lycan' is the "real term" for werewolves, and not just a shortening of "lycanthrope" BSed up by Underworld.

>>6021887
My point is the name specifically. Caliburn and Excalibur are both names for the same sword - they're different derivatives (along the same line of corruption, even) of the original name Caledfwlch. I know that depending on the myth, the Sword in the Stone and Excalibur/Caliburn are one and the same, that's not what I'm harping on. I'm specifically harping on this F/SN-invented notion that the Sword in the Stone is "Caliburn" and is a separate sword from "Excalibur".

>> No.6022147

>>6022142
>I'm specifically harping on this F/SN-invented notion that the Sword in the Stone is "Caliburn" and is a separate sword from "Excalibur".

I'm sorry, I communicated that poorly. I'm not harping on the notion itself, it works just fine for F/SN. I'm harping on the fact people think that's how the myths really are.

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>suggesting the Arthurian legend is in any way consistent

They could be two different swords.

>> No.6022175

>>6022142
>>6022147

It's pretty handy to have a name for the blasted "Sword in the Stone", when it's presented as separate from Excalibur.

It's technically inaccurate, but it's a pretty minor error.

>> No.6022184

>>6022175

And just to mention, in certain tellings, they're two separate swords BOTH CALLED "EXCALIBUR" ANYWAY!

>> No.6022185

everyone knows Nasu loves taking big shits on already confusing legends and stories.

probably the main reason why I'll never watch/read anything typemoon

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>>6022185

>I've never watched/read anything Type-Moon, but boy Nasu sure sucks!

Do you seriously not see any flaws in your argument?

>> No.6022207

>>6022196
A magus is out.

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6022354

wow, its kinda hard to see someone harp on a guy who actually seems like he's trying to be faithful.

As opposed to everyone else who treats Arthur as a public domain character to shit on.

pic related, believe me guys, it could have been much worse.

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>>6022354
much worse than this?

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>>6022354
> Joust do it!

>> No.6022474

>>6022354
I remember that fucking movie. The kid gave Arthur some bubblegum, but Arthur swallowed it despite being told not to. And then that fucking kid invented the Big Mac.

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>>6021846
>EXCALIBUR AND CALIBURN ARE TWO NAMES FOR THE SAME FUCKING SWORD
>CALIBURN IS NOT THE NAME OF THE SWORD IN THE STONE
So Excalibur = Sword in the stone, Caliburn = Excalibur, but Caliburn != Sword in the stone? That makes no fucking sense.

>> No.6022546

>>6022523

No, in this context, Excalibur is not the Sword in the Stone.

>> No.6022555

>>6022163
this

>> No.6022565

>>6022523

Excalibur is the sword of the lake

The sword of the stone has no name.

Also, this thread makes no sense whatsoever

>> No.6022614

>>6022565
Dude I watched Merlin; Excalibur is definately the sword in the stone.

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>>6022614
>watched Merlin

>> No.6022890

I know, how dare you twist the history of a legendary item that didn't actually exist.

I mean I've never heard of fiction taking concepts from our world and applying them in its own universe in a slightly different way. Outrageous.

>> No.6023145

>>6022370
that actually wasn't too bad. It at least tried to keep to the generally accepted historical context Arthur lived in. I think most people went to see the film expecting an "Excalibur" remake but were let down severely.

>>6022354
i think most are just butt injured about the twist of Arthur being a woman.

>> No.6023152

>>6022873
Reported for greentexting and reaction image in /jp/.

>> No.6023157

but how did the sword get stuck in the stone?

>> No.6023171

>>6023157
A wizard did it.

>> No.6023181

>>6023171
damn it merlin

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>>6023157

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>>6023181
Was merlin ever represented in a type moon work?

>> No.6023265

>>6023216
He doesn't ever make an appearance, but Saber talks about him in one scene and he's occasionally mentioned in the side books. Basically he's a mysterious old guy who likes to fuck around a lot (he gave Saber a penis)..

>> No.6023266

>>6023216
Saber's Flashback.

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>>6023265
>(he gave Saber a penis)..

Sounds like a cool guy to have around.

>> No.6023277

>>6023216
>>6023265

He shows up briefly in Last Episode.

Referred to as "the old magus" who put Caliburn in the stone, confronting Arturia before/as she draws the weapon.

>> No.6023277,1 [INTERNAL] 

The legend is a corruption of two ancient practices. The first is the Celtic/Pagan practice of ‘sacrificing’ their very expensive and coveted swords to the spirits, gods and goddesses that inhabited water in the hope of placating them or perhaps to have a request granted. (Later, the Romans did the same with prayers or curses written on metal, eventually becoming coins and our Wishing Well folk lore). This gives rise to the Lady in the Lake and the sword, whether we call it Excalibur, Caliburn, Caledfwlch or ‘the Sword with no Name’.

The second relates to the Sword in the Stone. Ancient metal smiths, metallurgists call them what you will were thought of as possessing magical gifts since they appeared to be able to take stone (metal ore) and turn it into metal. This gives us the magical facet of a metal sword and the ‘Sword drawn from stone’ aspect.

These smiths who could draw sword from stone would be seen as very special, even powerful, as was the man (or woman, as seems to be suggested here) who could draw Excalibur from the stone. The later Sword in the Anvil telling relates back to the metal smith association.

It’s easy to see here how these ancient practices, particularly the sword and stone ‘magic’ would be little understood by ordinary folk and the storytellers would tell of the men who could make metal from stone. Once the procedure became more widely understood, the storytellers continued telling the stories and as time went on they developed into one sword (with several names and legends attached to it), one man and his right to rule.

Don’t get me wrong. Though I have just explained the legend(s) in an historical way, I love the Arthur/Excalibur legend. One of the first books I ever read, cover to cover was Mallory’s ‘Morte D’Arthur’. Deep down, I still want the legend to be historical fact, including all the magic and prophecy (Arthur is not dead, but sleeps). If I could have a wish come true, I would wish for an English hillside to open and Arthur and his knights appear to save us from corrupt politicians and a royal family who are foreigners and interlopers (see Tony Robinsons ‘Britain's Real Monarch’). And yes I know there is a theory Arthur was a Roman and must almost certainly not have been a Celt. But he is about as English as we can get. Certainly not Norman; possibly Saxon. But if we could identify an historical Arthur, it is not unreasonable to hope his roots could be traced to the Celts of Albion.

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