/jp/ - Otaku Culture

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>>6011524
They have done nothing to provoke me into hating them. I'm just curious as to why there is so much resentment towards them from the Japanese.

You make it seem like japan is the only one doing the hating it's both ways child.

Because North and South Korea have been tsundere for each other since the 50's and Japan wants in

I'm pretty sure the Japs are more scared of both Korea's. They know that when the day comes and North Korea does launch an assault on Japan they will be completely helpless.

No other nation in the free world will be willing to help them because they have no valuable resources other shitty cars.

Also, /jp/ sure comes out in full force supporting Japan but in all reality what has Japan ever done for you? Has it ever sent you a card in the mail or told you how lovely you look? Does it go on long walks in the Autumn to look at the Fall foliage?

Because "they" are not "us"
"We" are right and better and "all others" are evil and wish to consume and spit us dry

replace pronouns accordingly
welcome to reality

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>>6011545
>Also, /jp/ sure comes out in full force supporting Japan
No. We just hate Corea as well. And really, who doesn't, other than the Coreans themselves?

>>6011541
America might be like THE FUCK YOU DOING because they do enjoy their base inJapan

I also find it hilarious that on 2CH they have wordfilters on certain boards that filter "Korea" to "Next Terrorist".

This coming from a nation that practically wiped out cities and nations during World War 2 and raped women and children just to ward of boredom.

>>6011551

Yes, their driving economic resources, strong work economy and building military force have nothing on tea rooms, temples and kimonos.

Doesn't 2ch have more knowledge of Korean history than their own?

>>6011568

That's probably not a bad thing when you consider the fact that Japan has A LOT to be ashamed from their past.

Not to mention that they actually censor history books in schools to edit out all of their previous acts of aggression, war and World War 2.

>>6011541
>I'm pretty sure the Japs are more scared of both Korea's. They know that when the day comes and North Korea does launch an assault on Japan they will be completely helpless.

Well, that's true. They don't have any military power at all.

>No other nation in the free world will be willing to help them because they have no valuable resources other shitty cars.

.... If Japan was successfully attacked then some of the largest international companies in the world would most likely fall, you know? I'm pretty sure most 1st world countries would be bothered by that. Even China and India would be bothered by it, since they would lose a lot of jobs. If Korea did attack Japan the entirely world would most probably hate them for it, save for maybe a few conservative Chinese. The world economy has enough problems as it is.

>>6011588

I mean, you know your country is fucked up when you actually have censor your own damn history.

>>6011591

The times have changed. Japan is no longer the world leader in software engineering, energy, automobiles, banking and more.

Yes, the world would feel the impact for like maybe a year and then it would move on as the economy would rapidly cover the gap left in Japan's place.

>>6011591
>They don't have any military power
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

>>6011594
I got news for you. Every country censors their own history.

>>6011610

Yes, having a military force that is only capable of defending the country is something that will really strike fear in the hearts of enemies and ward of any chance of a nation attacking them.

>>6011594
See: United States of America, Native Americans.

>>6011613
Why? Is it to foster some kind of pride? What are the censors afraid of?

>>6011613

Not America. They don't censor out the fact that we basically killed millions of Native Americans to claim territory or that we forced Chinese workers to death with little pay and no insurance to build our railroads.

America is actually brave enough to admit to it's fuck ups and it's past atrocities.

>>6011624
Except you know, they could always change their constitution themselves, and if Corea attacked them, they could defend themselves, not to mention the US etc would come to their aid.

>>6011624
That's what nuclear weapons are for, silly.

>>6011637

Japan doesn't have a nuclear arsenal and even if they did it's probably 30+ year old relics from the Cold War.

Japan isn't capable of launching a direct invasion on any nation and their military force is minimal.

>>6011625

That's not a very good example considering even elementary schoolbooks go into great detail about native genocide and relocation.

I mean, when North Korea launch that missile over Japan to test it a few years back they must have had the biggest shit-eating grin on their faces knowing that Japan couldn't do anything but wave it's fist in the air in anger.

I'm sure South Korea would face an actual land invasion. N Korea is incapable of a amphibious assault followed by a inland invasion. It is most probable that it would a long-range missile strike.

>>6011648

It's true. I went to a full-blown Cathloic school from Kindergarden to eighth grade and they didn't spare nothing.

We learned that we slaughtered almost an entire race just so we could claim land that we didn't need (our population at the time wasn't big enough to warrant it)).

We learned that we basically looked down upon, slaved and oppressed African Americans for years.

Japan still won't issue an apology to all of the victims that were raped in Japan, Korea and the Philippines during World War 2.

>>6011657

Well, no shit. North Korea isn't going to nuke South Korea due to the fact that they would want to grab the entire nation for it's resources and land.

They probably wouldn't do the same thing with Japan since they would likely want to use it as a foothold for when they invade and attack Alaska and Hawaii and other American territories.

>>6011667
Does the US apologise for the nukes and for the various fire bombings? Did the US apologise for the way the loyalists were treated in the American Revolution? The only reason the US teaches you about the blacks and native Indians, etc. is because you have a lot of them living in your country, that isn't something you can really ignore.

But that's not why we are here today, /jp/.

Why does Japan hate Korea? This is an important topic.

Why do people make it sound like current military status = outcome of the war? Sure, Japan currently has a smaller military than Corea, but what makes people think that they couldn't rapidly increase it in a war time? Canada, for example, at the end of WWII had the world's fourth largest air force, and third largest navy. I'm sure Japan would be fine.

>>6011677

Apparently you missed one of our representatives over in Japan earlier this month for the anniversary of the bombings.

Japan hasn't even made a single effort towards the nations they abused and have made no progress after 60 years.

The balls in your court.

OTAKU CULTURE

>>6011680

>>6011687
>the nations they abused
Like what, China? The country that frequently abused itself? And why should they have to? That was a completely different government and everything, that has no bearing on the current Japan.

>>6011686

Japan doesn't have a military. I still can't believe that you people (or some of you) don't understand that.

What they have is basically the equivalent of a police force or a town watch. Their "military" is there to provide a means of civil control and nothing else.

>>6011696

I know my local police force has a navy that's larger than Australia.

Do you actually think that the rest of the world would allow Japan to have a full-blown military after what they did? It's like giving a mentally-disturbed employee who just found out that he got laid off a loaded gun and a map to all of his employees homes.

>>6011696
Right. They have the 7th highest military expenditure in the world, and 240,000 active personnel. That sure is some 'town watch'.

>>6011696
And yet, they have one of the largest navies in the world and partake in peacekeeping operations.
That self defense force sure is aggressive.

>>6011517
because the old geezers of a by-gone era refuse to just die already and take their outdated prejudice with them

>>6011694

Government has nothing to do with it.

>>6011708
Government has EVERYTHING to do with it.

>>6011703

All packed with state of the art firepower like the M1 Garand and a new-fangled device call radar.

>>6011709

By this logic, the US is absolved for everything it does every four years.

Hey guys, I know our nation's people like raped your nation, performed experiments on your people and tortured them but I would like you to know that we didn't do it. Our government did.

That guy over there raping that 12 year old girl? Yeah, that's actually the government. The government is responsible for everything so you can't blame our culture, our way of life or the ideals that have been with our people for generations.

>>6011701
Even if they did get a full-blown military again, what can a nation full of spineless shut-ins and depressed introverts do?

>>6011714
You can not honestly be comparing the total reconstruction of a government with electing a new president.

>>6011714
>>6011726

Are you a small child? It's not like the Japanese people themselves had much say in the way Japan turned out back then, they weren't even a democracy.

>>6011727

I find it hilarious that all of these shut ins, Hikkis and other social rejects will someday lead Japan's government. That's going to be fun to watch.

>>6011713

It's funny because the JSDF standard issue AR is more modern than America's m16.

Japan could build nukes practically overnight if they had to (figuratively speaking of course); they have more than enough know-how.

Also the North, won't ever make a serious move because they know they will just get pulverized simply due to their mostly-obsolete tech level, non-existent economy and near-starving army. Even without the U.S's help the South could probably still beat them assuming that China didn't do anything this time. China doesn't want a war either because there'd be millions of near-retarded NK refugees streaming across, and the North would be begging them to go to war against the U.S, who is vital for China's economic growth and more than capable of just plain wiping the country out if things came down to that.

The South doesn't completely want to reunite with the North because the unified Korea would suddenly be a much much shitter country economy-wise, having to bear the burden of educating and modernizing all those Northerners. The Northerners aren't given a choice with reunification unless it's by force.

>>6011738

A gun is only as good as the solider that is using it.

>>6011735
>shut ins, Hikkis and other social rejects
You think these type of people would run for elections in front of tons of people?

>>6011738
Meh. Tanks are outdated anyway.

>>6011738
Quality > Quantity.

>>6011746

They will probably address the nation via Skype or another VOIP program.

>>6011713
Yeah, those garands sure have become advanced, being automatic and called type 89s.

>>6011729

You realize the allied transitional government changed virtually nothing, correct?

>>6011732

"It's not like the US people had much say in their government back then. Two thirds of the country couldn't even vote!"

>>6011752

Japan's armed forces couldn't take over a Burger King. It actually makes you wonder why they bother training their forces when they know that likely will be the first nation to fall in the region in the event of war.

>>6011748

I think they have Apache AH-64 choppers now, so yeah

>>6011732
They were a constitutional and representative democracy.
I suggest you study history more.

>>6011766

And yet North Korea has unmanned fighters and drones that are capable of staying airborne for up to 24 hours and firing weapons with a range of excess of 600 miles.

>>6011732

You're correct. They were a bunch of savages no better than cavemen who had no respect for humankind and had low moral sensibilities.

>implying Japan hasn't apologised

Japanese governments have officially recognised the suffering which the Japanese military caused, and numerous apologies have been issued by the Japanese government. For example, Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama, in August 1995, stated that Japan "through its colonial rule and aggression, caused tremendous damage and suffering to the people of many countries, particularly to those of Asian nations", and he expressed his "feelings of deep remorse" and stated his "heartfelt apology". Also, on September 29, 1972, Japanese Prime Minister Kakuei Tanaka stated: "[t]he Japanese side is keenly conscious of the responsibility for the serious damage that Japan caused in the past to the Chinese people through war, and deeply reproaches itself."[87]

>>6011743

Uranium doesn't grow on trees you know. Not to mention that no nation on Earth would even allow them to consider making weapons beyond what they currently have at the moment.

>>6011805
You're an idiot if you believe that people actually care about what japan did sixty years ago.
Nothing changes because people like a status quo, but as soon as a country like japan wants nukes, a bunch of people will be offering.

Japan's military is quite modern. Their newest main battle tank, the Type 10, is one of the very finest in the world, and they have access to basically as good of tech as the U.S is willing to sell to anyone.. which is most of the nicest things we have besides F-22s, subs, and stealth vehicles.

Japan's F-15s would fucking dominate North Korea's air force, which has a handful of Fulcrums/Flankers (which even if they got a crazy kill ratio would still get smashed due to overpowering numbers against their favor).. and most of the rest of the NK airforce is obsolete scrap that would get completely downed within days. With zero air superiority, the U.S could come and do its favorite pasttime, bombing the shit out of everything just short of nuking it.

By all accounts, the North could never win unless China suddenly decided that it's time for WWIII, which I doubt that it would want right when they are in a prosperous upswing.

>>6011798

That's not good enough. They must acknowledge that their soldiers and people were given orders to rape and exterminate the people of other nations in a mass holocaust if they did not abide by their culture. Not to mention that they performed experiments that included seeing how long a individual could survive without certain organs and blood loss.

Don't going pulling some "severe damage". Have the fucking balls to go to each nation, acknowledge exactly what you did, accept what you did was wrong and get over it you buck-toothed, shit skinned savages.

>>6011814

I dare you to say that to the people who lived through all of it you basement-dwelling fuck. You know nothing of what they went through and have no right to have any say in what the rest of the world thinks.

>>6011820
I haven't bothered to read the rest of the thread, but

>By all accounts, the North could never win unless China suddenly decided that it's time for WWIII, which I doubt that it would want right when they are in a prosperous upswing.

Would never happen. That would mean going to war with the US, which is the main reason for their upswing. The US and China depend on each other too much econ wise for this to happen.

>>6011828
And you do?

>>6011822
It doesn't matter. Do you really think the victims would ever forgive them? They always want to keep playing victim because they want to paint Japan in a negative light. So why should Japan bother? What do they really care? They are already on very good terms with the majority of the western world.

>>6011828
Protip: people who sell nukes don't give a fuck about the sorrows of those who went through WWII.

>>6011839

It doesn't matter if they forgive them or not. It's the idea that counts. An apology can go long way. It can show that a person or nation has changed, has learned from it's mistakes and is full of sincere regret.

>>6011828
What, rape? Murder? Execution?
That's nothing at all in history. What governments do isn't determined by a few tragedies.
Turkey massacred Armenians and nobody cares when dealing with Turkey. France made Indochina a wasteland. The United States regularly overthrow legitimate governments and provoke civil wars.
Those who decide who gets what don't care about the past.

>>6011844
But the point is, why would Japan care? They have nothing to really gain by prostrating themselves, they know in time people forget.

>>6011836

Um, yeah. Do you expect people who were raped, beaten, tortured and forced to watch their family get executed to just "get over it"?

Oh, so it's as simple as just going to a doctor, going to a few sessions and then everything is all fine and dandy.

I was in Georgia last year and African American's still raise their children to call white people "Sir". Things just don't up and go away as most people would like them to.

>>6011844
Well, they apologized. By your own admission, it doesn't matter if people accept it.
So there you go.

>>6011850

Considering the fact they still have sanctions imposed on them, are hated by everyone in the region a simple apology would go a long way.

>Do you expect people who were raped, beaten, tortured and forced to watch their family get executed to just "get over it"?
These people are in the vast minority of the world, and have very little say in what Japan can and can't do.

>>6011857

You might as well just say "Sorry, small nation. But you are in a small minority so nobody really cares about your past sufferings because you have nothing to offer to the world"

Guys.
Guys.
Guys.

Why does Japan hate North Korea?

>>6011851
I was referring to the
>You know nothing of what they went through
bit.

>>6011856
>a simple apology
And they already have, what's your point? They've even been paying compensations.

>>6011865

You right I haven't gone through anything like it. I still however have a understanding of what it's like to be abused in such a way. And who the fuck are you to say something like this?

Suppose I was a Muslim who had to through all of the anti-Arab shit after 9/11? I had a friend who actually had to leave school in 2001 because kids would beat him up, call him a savage for being a Muslim and everything else.

>>6011851
The truth is that certainly, these people are scarred.
Another truth is that these people don't matter in world politics.

>>6011866

Yes, they are paying money to the victims so that they will never bring anything up again.

Japan, folks. A nation full of classy people and leaders.

There is a limit for what Japan should apologize for. Rape, mass murder, horrible forced medical experiments on POWs and civilians but if all of that was part of the plan to take the crown can you really fault them? Look at how much territory the goddamn Axis swept over. These men took a shot a world domination and came fairly close (lol shouldn't have pissed off Russia) and I can't blame them for that.

tl;dr Shit that went down is justified, deal with it.

>>6011863

Well for one thing, everyone hates North Korea except for some South Koreans who have family there.

Two, it's a bit like if the U.S shared a border with Iran, and Iran had confirmed nukes and threatened to use them on a near-weekly basis. The North is NOT friendly at all and so there is no reason they shouldn't hate their guts for it.

Also conservative Japanese might point to NK as to why Koreans are inferior people.. living on their own, they demonstrably suck more ass than almost any country on Earth, and Japs would say that the South just copies everything Japan does in order to get its success. That's their reasoning however right or wrong it is.

>>6011873
I don't understand where you're going with this. Yea a lot of people in the past were hurt by Japan. However this doesn't matter today much today, and would not stop America and such from giving arms like nukes if Japan really wanted them.

So North Koreans are inferior to the Japanese because of the fact that they have a stronger military, a stronger economy and better trade agreements.

Makes sense to me.

>>6011875
The victims asked for compensation money...

>>6011875
So you want them to apologize, but when they do, you call them craven for apologizing.
Unbelievable.

>>6011879

>tl;dr Shit that went down is justified, deal with it.


I'm glad I'm a cop so I get to beat the living shit and put people like you away from society.

>>6011888
What economy? I swear to god this better be a troll. N Korea's economy is China's handouts.

>>6011873
>I haven't gone through anything like it.
>I still however have a understanding of what it's like to be abused in such a way.
No. You don't.

>>6011900

Last I checked Japan was greatly in debt and had one of the highest unemployment rates in the world. You can say what you want about North Korea but when they work they work their asses off and it has made their economy better.

Also, to the person who brought up Japan having 250,000 troops I just would like to say thanks for the laugh. Even a tiny nation like Israel has a largest army.

>>6011900

I think he worded it a bit funny, I think that he means North Korea is inferior to Japan for those things, not the other way around (since that makes zero sense on all counts).

>>6011897
Model minority with a well-paying job. You will never meet me "officer". My kind is beyond your pay-grade.

>>6011910
Japan has the 3rd largest economy in the world with an unemployment rate of <6%. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

>>6011921

50,000 a year plus benefits is nothing to scoff at.

>>6011910
North Korea has no economy.
They don't export anything, they have regular famine and no statistics have ever been published for the country.
In the meanwhile, Japan has a 5.3% unemployment rate (compare with the U.S.'s 12% when discouraged and underemployed workers are added) and a public debt similar to many european nations who possess nowhere near the productive capacity of japan.

>>6011937

With 90% of the workforce making less than $10,000 a year putting Famicom Disc Systems and other things together.

>>6011917
Israel has conscription. Meanwhile, France has 186000 soldiers and has the fifth strongest military.

>>6011938
Wasn't scoffing at your actual pay. You've completely ruined the intent of the message.

>>6011946

I have nothing against South Korea. The north is retarded, though.

I lived in Japan for five years (and will be moving back here soon since I got fired by Alaska Airlines) as a pilot for Japan Airlines and I got paid shit.

The economy has gone to shit everywhere but in certain sectors like the aviation industry Japan is almost dead last.

>>6011954

Israel has a military that is actually worth a damn. Japan is so desperate for people to join their defense force that they will basically sign up anybody, give them a gun and just throw them out the door with no training.

>>6011978

Before anyone asks, I was let go due to the shitty economy in North America. JAL and ANA both offered me an increased pay package since they actually value pilots who speak perfect English and have a air force background.

>>6011982
>citation required

Dude, if anything CHINA should hate North Korea. They are like the habitual-criminal cousin no one in the family talks about and when you're finally making progress in your own life out he comes out no where to threaten multiple countries with a imaginary nuke that could be launched with a DIY missile with questionable accuracy and range. Poor China.

>>6011982
No military is technically proven to be worth a damn given that everyone is fighting guerillas at best.
The fact that Israel came damn close to defeat in 1973 against an Egyptian army not renown for its fighting spirit doesn't help.

>>6011991

The fact that even a nation like Iran with all of it's big and bad nuclear weapons is afraid of Israel.

Actually bad point since they don't even consider Israel a nation. The point is that Israel has managed to hold off it's aggressors with such a small military for a long time.

>>6012000

Yeah, it didn't help that the fucking Soviet Union was supplying them with weapons and other equipment.

Why are you all even talking about Japan's military? Japan basically has the USA + NATO on it's side if anything ever happens. All the JSDF needs to do is buy time.

>>6012009
The problem in 1973 was more related to flawed strategies, being overly cocky and depending on intel.

>>6012011

NATO and America don't mean shit. Europe didn't have our backs during 9/11 and didn't consider it a direct attack on all nations under the charter.

North Korea taking over Japan would be something to be worried about but it wouldn't be enough to provoke America to enter a new conflict.

China and Russia would likely be the ones to jump in.

>>6012014
Kind of like the recent incursion with Lebanon? I have no idea what that entire operation accomplished.

>>6012025

It showed that Israel isn't going to take any shit from it's aggressors and that it will attack when provoked. They had it coming.

>>6012021
Given China's current prosperity a large-scale war in the region would be highly damaging from a economic stand point.

Also, the economy isn't strong in Japan. It's worse.

>>6012021
>Europe didn't have our backs during 9/11 and didn't conside
What the hell are you talking about, does "europe" have a security pact with the US that I don't know of? Was 9/11 done by a country?

>>6012029
Rather, it showed that high tech troops can be made to retreat by glorified social workers with equipment made in basements.
Not a good PR thing for Israel.

>>6012033

China is actually an important resource. They manufacture our iPhones, CPU's and everything else in our daily lives.

>>6012040

It's the thought that counts. Everyone thought a nation was attacking America that day and if NATO cared they would have considered it an attack on all nations.

They didn't.

ITT: Trolls and people defending Japan.

>>6012053

This is actually a somewhat intelligent conversation that has people on all sides chiming in. Granted the people who say that Japan shouldn't apologize for their actions in WW2 are wrong.

>>6012053

Yeah, like the op was a well constructed prompt for good discussion.

Oh Oh here we go. If people simply "get over" past events then why is America so pissed off about Muslims building a temple a few blocks from Ground Zero?

It's because they are Muslims and the people attacked us on 9/11 were Muslims! Surly if it was a Jewish temple or a church nobody would mind but a Muslim temple? That's insensitive.

>>6012041
That's pretty much what I saw. Granted they set back Lebanon 10 years in civil development but was Hezbolah vanquished or defeated? No, all they did was greatly anger the local populace and there is still a ranged missile threat to Israel.

>>6012066

But it does raise a point. Why does Japan hate Korea? What has Korea done? It's something you should all think about as I am still waiting for a unanimous answer from all of you.

>>6012052
I've never heard of a national scale alliance being used in recent history to combat "terrorism", ever. What you're asking for doesn't have precedent.

>>6012073
I have no idea but I would like to propose a theory: cultural/economical rivalry.

>>6012075

We didn't know it was terrorism at the time.

I still find it hilarious that the topic turned out this way.

>>6012083
Commercial airliners being hijacked sure sounds like terrorism to me. And even if it wasn't clear, what do you expect other countries to do, declare war on a supposed unkown countries attack?

>>6012093

But perhaps Iraq was behind it all. How could you instantly jump to the conclusion of terrorism.

Why does Japan hate Korea?

>North Korea
>Stronger economy than Japan
WTFAMIREADING.jpg

>>6012118
Because ALL Asians hate other Asians. No exceptions.

ITT: Retarded white people trying to argue when they don't even have any slightest clue about Korea & Japanese history.

>>6013230
Fuck off dude, I watched over 200 anime shows and listen to K-pop.