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Can we have hamburgers?

I do wonder how the hell Ryukushi is going to pull it off.

Is it going to be a nihilistic comedy in which everyone on the island realizes the pointless of existence and thus engages in a wacky competition to see who can kill themselves in the most creative way?

DON'T WORRY ANGE, YOUR PARENTS ARE RIGHT HERE~

>>5981777
Well, everyone on the island will learn about how Yasu REALLY wanted a pony, and then kill themselves for her.

Everyone loves Yasu!

>>5981777
>Is it going to be a nihilistic comedy in which everyone on the island realizes the pointless of existence and thus engages in a wacky competition to see who can kill themselves in the most creative way?

I think Kinzo will win somehow. Battler goes on to become a hobo while Kinzo takes it easy with witch in one hand and gold in the other.

Ange ;__;
As if her life wasn't bad enough

>>5981789
>Everyone loves Yasu!
But of course!
I wonder if Ryu will draw a Yasu sprite for EP8; it would be nice.

At the end of episode 8, it's(the meta world, not the fact that nearly everyone died) all a bad dream Ange was having, and Eva comes in to comfort her.

Would you all be ok with this?

>>5981777
It will be what people have been asking for two years KyriexRudolf backstory featuring Asumu's sprite.
After that... Battler can still be alive and... taht's pretty much it.

>>5981801
Yeah, so far there's only like five of them. We need more.

>>5981802
I want a good end for meta, even if it's fake.

Ange is a great troll bait

>>5981805
Ange doesn't want a good motive, she's horrified at the fact that her parents killed people.

That little fact has to go. You really can't excuse Jessica's facelift or George the shooting gallery no matter what.

>>5981815
If Kyrie hadn't started the killing, someone else would have, which is the reason she started.
Not a really good one but it's kill or be killed.

>>5981807
We don't know if Yasu and Lyon look exactly the same, though. I mean, Lyon didn't seem to have gone through the late puberty Yasu did.

>>5981815
Don't forget Maria. Murdering a freakin' 9 years old...

>>5981819
Buh what? First off, like, no.

Second off, killing Jessica and Maria? Yeah, they were a threat to Kyrie's well being!

>>5981781

Dammit! Now Ryu really needs to give these two a backstory! After pulling that "lol lets kill 4 moneyz" shit in the Tea party!

Am I the only one who didn't hate Kyrie at the end?

Personally, I think she's awesome.

>>5981819
Oh no, watch out for Maria, she says uu! She might hit you over the head with her stuffed doll!

>>5981822
>First off, like, no.
They say it, quite a few times, even Bern says it was the reason it happened in Leon's world
And second, I meant mass murder, the best way to hide a murder is killing all the witnesses.

>>5981822
>Second off, killing Jessica and Maria? Yeah, they were a threat to Kyrie's well being!
>Jessica

She knew Jessica was up to something. She was doing a good deed!

>>5981826
I agree

>>5981777
One word: FEE-YAY-STA

Kyrie: Jessica-chan, have you ever tried playing a piñata?
Jessica: Well... not really?
Kyrie: Do you feel like playing a game? Try playing a piñata.
Jessica: O.. Okay...
Kyrie: ARRIBA!

>>5981826

I don't hate Kyrie but more saddened. I feel theres more to this than what it looks.

>>5981829

KIHIHIHIHIHIHI~

>>5981831
I'd have loved to see the whole Jessica vs Kyrie.

>>5981830
But they didn't kill anyone to cover up at first! And they knew a bomb was going to go off! They just did it because they wanted to be sure they'd be the only survivors.
>>5981831
Moon-chan is by and large false, you know.

>>5981844
Jessica got a punch in. That means she got Kyrie to let her guard down, I suppose.

>>5981847
>They just did it because they wanted to be sure they'd be the only survivors.
And that's what I was referring to?
they had already killed like 6 people, better take care of the rest soon enough so they can't spill it and they are the only survivors and don't go to prison.

>>5981855
That's still really fucking evil...

>>5981840
I prefer Black Widow theory myself.

>>5981856
It's cold and logical, I actually would have just waited for the bomb to explode, really.
Though hiding six corpses is hard, but I think they should have been able to pull the whole 'ritual murder'

Battler will show Ange the same scene from EP7 but from a fantasy perspective, in which it looks nice.

Well... Still no kiri no pithos music box anywhere...?

>>5981867
>It's cold and logical, I actually would have just waited for the bomb to explode, really.

I think this would have been the best solution. Honestly other than aiming for the heads when killing.

>>5981876
Well, Rudolf tried and Gorge started running away, they killed the servants pretty neatly after all.

>>5981871

In other words Kyrie and Rudolf massacaring the rest...but with magic instead? awesome! that means the last duel between Eva and Kyrie would be in EP8 : Evatrice vs a magical embodiedment of Kyrie!

>>5981867
Murders can be cold and logical, that doesn't make them less evil

OH DON'T WORRY ANGE KYRIE JUST DID IT BECAUSE SHE WANTED TONS OF MONEY, IT WAS NOTHING PERSONAL.

In Ange's future, people assume Eva is evil because they think she killed everyone to get the head.

Logical decision? Yes, if you don't care about that pesky "morality" thing, but it doesn't magically stop being a heinous crime. Only Bernkastel does evil for the sake of evil, in the real world most crimes are "logical".

Oh, come on. We know no murders happened, and they all died do to some accident.

>>5981910
The Rokkenjima explosion accident, lol.

>>5981912
Yeah, dude, it was no bomb. The boiler room malfunctioned, and the place went boom.

>>5981889
Evatrice vs Kyrietrice? Awesome.

>>5981891
since when I mentioned morality?
And no, most real world murders are completely illogical from some point.
Kyrie was 'people are gonna get killed either way, mind if I start doing it first?'.
If it was for Eva, the whole island would have exploded to hide Krauss and Natsuhi's deaths.

>>5981925
> If it was for Eva, the whole island would have exploded to hide Krauss and Natsuhi's deaths.

Well Eva just doesn't want to go to jail...

Back cover of the chiru music box

>>5981933
Kyrie killing people= bad
Eva doing exatly the same (let's be honest, she had her cateyes from ep3 and that means bad news for everybody but her family)= good

>>5981937
I love how Bern is throwed out of the back cover.
Throw a will here, and it is perfect.

>>5981937
How is it compared to the other Musicboxes?

>>5981938

Anybody killing for whatever reason = Bad

To be fair on Eva it was an accident (despite it being triggered due to her in the first place)

When you think about it. Even if everybody agreed with the whole blow up the island thing with the gold and Natsuhi and Krauss. What would they have done to Jessica? I highly doubt Jessica would take it kindly to her aunt and uncle killing her parent accident or not.

>>5981938
No, we all acknowledge Krauss and Natsuhi's deaths were bad, it's just that those deaths were accidental. At the very most, it was a subconscious thing.

Eva doesn't go on to kill the rest of the people in the room, which she would have if it was a calculated murder.

Kyrie and Rudolf on the other hand, performed premeditated intentional murders. Called the cousins down for a test and everything.

If you don't think there's a difference between the two you need your head examined.

Don't simplify it in such a silly manner.

>Natsuhi's and Krauss' deaths
>Accidental

And the rest got killed by demons, right?

in b4 batman Eva

What about the people confirmed to be playing dead?

>>5981989

someone needs to make a Superman Will or something along with Bern as Lex Luthor

>>5981951
>>5981961
I didn't mean the 'accidental' (they smell horribly fishy) I mean the deaths that were to follow because Eva was obviously in rapeface mode and would have probably done what Kyrie did after.
Kyrie knew some sibling was gonna snap and acted first, I actually trust Kyrie's intuition in this, either Eva or Rosa, and Eva was the one with the gun, was gonna start it.

>>5981999
>I actually trust Kyrie's intuition in this, either Eva or Rosa, and Eva was the one with the gun, was gonna start it.
>Kyrie, Rosa and Eva
>Female

Seriously why are only the Ushiromiya women capable of doing crazy shit like this?

>>5981999

You have a point there. We don't know if Eva would have done the same (Rosa would most definately) she was pretty much in panic mode at that time. Although for Eva's plan on using the bomb to cover up their deaths to work their going to have to kill Jessica (kill as in murder)

>>5981937
Upload the Music Box. I want the Music Box!!!

>>5982042
Seconded!!!

>>5982030
No, they'd merely need to tell her that 'Beatrice' killed her parents and activated the bomb, and Jesus Christ they had better hurry to Kuwadorian stop asking questions.

Eva didn't want to kill anyone. She just wanted to avoid jail.

>>5982055

But how long would jessica believe that for?

>>5982055
But then they'd have to kill Beatrice too. Or, well, keep her and hand her over to the police. I doubt Lyon would have resisted or tried to plead for her innocence - well, she's partially at fault, though.

>>5982078

Probably not for long, but it's not like there will be any evidence after the island blows up, which is the point.

It's not like she'll be able to do anything about it, which is why it's not necessary to kill her.

>>5982124
Well, no, 'Beatrice' would blow up with the rest of the island as well. I'm saying that Eva and the remaining adults would probably blame it on the concept of "the 19th person/Golden Witch Beatrice" rather than Lion/Yasu.

/req/ that someone does the All Your Base Are Belong to Us thing using Umineko sprites, with Kinzo as Cats.

>>spoiler: what beato wanted in reality.

This was posted the other night and someone wanted a translation. So here you go.

>>5982305
I beg to differ.

Could some kind anon translate this? ;_;

http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=big&illust_id=12689489

Posting the link because the image is too large...

>>5982331
Not the one who requested the translation, but thanks!

>>5982305
>>5982348
... how about she wanted both?

>>5981826

Damn fucking straight.

My faith in Kyrie for this damn long has been rewarded.

The only thing that would make me happier is a Meta Kyrie for Logic Battles involving TURNING THE CHESSBOARD AROUND 8X COMBO.

>>5982372
>Could some kind anon translate this? ;_;
Yeah, that's next on my list.

>>5982331

Thank you!

Damn. EP7 is really NTR.

Stupid incompetent Battler. You can't even satisfy your waifu by properly killing her.

>>5982331
Please, i NEED that font? Name please?
Also, thanks for contributing!

>>5982395
Well, you cannot blame Battler, unlike Erika and Will, he didn't get any special powers. You've got to remember Erika showed up by the time 4 games have been played and Will showed up by the time 6 games had been concluded. Erika had the Detective Authority in EP5 and Will, in addition to be in a special mixed kakera, he also had a special power Bern gave him that allowed up to interrogate anyone.

Battler had to reach the truth the hard way.
Fun thing is, not Erika nor Will with all their power-ups have even reached Battler's level.

>>5982392
Thanks in advance!

>>5982416

I thought he properly figured out the who, why, and how of Beato. He killed her completely and showed he understood her. In one EP.

I'd count being able to perfectly review all previous episodes including scenes he was not present in while dead as a special power btw.

>>5982443
>I thought he properly figured out the who, why, and how of Beato. He killed her completely and showed he understood her. In one EP.

We don't know how much he's solved. Hell, he couldn't deny Bern's answer in the Tea Party. Bern raped him. Why do you think Bern hasn't confronted Battler directly ever since he became Game Master? She knows he'll chew her to bits.

Also, Will solved whatever he solved in one episode, with 6 episodes behind, 2 of which contain a hell lot of answers, not to mention other power-ups Bern gave him.

Battler had none of that shit.
Bring me a guy who can solve this game with no power ups and with no previous knowledge of the other games, and I'll give him as much credit as Battler.

>>5982467

On the other hand, the whole game was tailor made for Battler and he was still goddamn slow.

I say the powers were given to even the field a bit.

>>5982467
Claire made a big deal out of the fact that Will was able to understand her heart, but yeah. Will is awesome, but Battler did the best he could as a human thrown into a situation he didn't understand, not a badass ex-Grand Inquisitor from heaven.

>>5982467

Agreed. It's about time people stop putting Battler down so badly

>>5982331

>>5982467
This.

>>5982486
>On the other hand, the whole game was tailor made for Battler and he was still goddamn slow.

Seriously dude? After 7 games and you say this? Certainly, Beato went easy on him several times, but the game wasn't "tailor made" for him. This has been made clear several times.

If anyone had the game "tailor made" for him was Will.

>>5982492
>>5982494
>>5982486
>>5982467
>>5982443
>>5982416

Oh you gaiz

Can't you see they made will like able so you'll adjust to him quickly and CARE about what happens to him (what KEY does is all their shit)? And they made him bad ass so that people will be like O FUCK BERN RAPED HIM AND HE'S LIKE SUPER STRONG, only to set up BATTLER to fight and win against BERN.

>>5982486
>the whole game was tailor made for Battler and he was still goddamn slow
Remember what Lia said in EP5? Beato created the game thinking that it was solvable, but of course she had no way of knowing if it would be easy for Battler too.

Battler was in the same situation as us readers. As far as I know, nobody here got the whole solution: every 'faction' just reached a bit of the truth.

>>5982514

Beato went easy on him most of the time yeah, because Battler never thought things through and realized that the witch's side was always at disadvantage.

It's been stated that Beato adjusts the difficulty according to how Battler reacts. She also drip feeds him information and allies, slowly preparing him. This backfired on her in the EP4 where she wanted to finish things since Battler did not remember.

I like him, but Battler seriously fucked up there when it counts.

>>5982531
Except, of course, the Moon-chanfags.

FUCKING BATTLER WILL ALWAYS BE THE MAIN MAN OF UMINEKO

FUCK YOUR GARY STUS AND MARY SUES

>>5981766

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5UfIRmkv28

It's got cheeeeeesse

>>5982547
>GARY STUS

OH YOU DID NOT JUST-

BLASPHEMY!!

>>5982543

As far as I'm concerned Jessica is still shady as all hell.

Seriously wtf EP4.

>>5982541
That's true and that's mostly due to the fact that Battler didn't trust Beato. Only in EP5 he realized that their relationship was based on trust/love.

That said, I think the other anons - me included - are just trying to say that any other normal human being wouldn't have been able to do any better.

>>5982567
Yeah, this. We can appreciate Will without hating on Battler, kthx.

Ep6: JessicavsKyrie - Kyrie gets burned to death

EP7: JessicavsKyrie - Jessica gets her face smashed

What a lovely coincidence we have here.

>>5982467
>Bern raped him.

Too lewd.

>>5982595

I still believe.

>>5982541
Battler fucked up for a number fr reasons:

1. Unlike Will, he had no idea the situation he had been thrown in.
2. He's got to see his whole family get murdered in hideous ways.
3. He's got to deal with a lot of non-sense

If you expect him, a mere human, to have solved the whole thing rather easily, then I suppose you must have been a genius who solved the entire thing in one or two episodes.

Despite all that crap, Battler never gave up, dragged himself through all these things, and eventually reach the truth.

>>5982607

>one or two episodes

All that I need Anon.

>>5982615
Shut the fuck up Hanyuu, or I swear I'll your horns in ways that are probably illegal even in the Meta-World.

Remember how much you hated me?

Guess what

I'm Batman

>>5982566
>Seriously wtf EP4.
Woah, seriously? Even after EP7 you're still wondering...?

Kyrie was beating her to death, Jessica probably escaped her for a few minutes/was forced by Kyrie to call Battler to confirm that 'a witch did it', but instead of telling Battler to believe in the witch she told him that that wasn't the truth.

I hate Jessica and yet even I can realize that she's probably the only sane person on that island.

>>5982560
>implying Will isn't a Gary Stu

>>5982639
I've liked Eva since EP1; I've always disliked EVA; EP7 only confirmed what I thought of her, I don't think she's as perfect as /jp/ says.

>>5982639
As a matter of fact I enjoyed your scenes.
This story needed a full frontal bitch.

>>5982661
Please, stop. Your trolling is so obvious it's painful.

>>5982669
Please, explain exactly why am I trolling. I actually want to know WHY people are unable to notice that little detail.

>Tea Party
>OOPS SORRY NATSUHI
>KRAUSS HAD IT COMING HE WAS POINTING AT MAI WAIFU
>HEY ROSA ! HAVE A 35 MM CAPSULE OF STFU
>OH AND HAVE ONE ASWELL FATGUY
>OOPS MISSED EVA
>Hey George lets ta- OOPS SORRY FOR THAT
>Hey Jessica lets ta- OOPS WELL SINCE YOU ARE DEAD ILL PUNCH THE SHIT OUT OF YOU
>HEY RUDOLF AND KIRYE FUCK YOU BOTH
>OOPS SORRY BATTLER DIDN'T SEE YOU RUNNING RIGHT BEHIND ME
>Its all truth

This was way beyond retarded

>>5982667
great reds
i also like the incest shit in 6 about putting george back into you vag. though we all know that it's impossible because he't FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT

I heard you like Eva-batman?

I can't believe I spent so much time making this stupid thing.

>>5982639

What are you talking about EVA? I love you! espescially when you crushed Rosa in a sea of Jelly. That shit was amazing!

>>5982679
Because you know that your comment will just start another flamewar.

I also like Battler better than Will though.

>>5982543
Even they were dead on about the asthma being fake.
Hell, I'm still thinking Jessica might be a tad bit sketchy.

>>5982689
I AM THE NIGHT

Great job Anon, I lol'd.

>>5982702
Yeah, too bad Jessica faked it for a completely different reason, and since this EP was all about answers, I doubt that something as important as Jessica being involved with the murders would have been left out.

>>5982700
Guh. I just want to know why though, but a /jp/ flamewar is never good I guess. Pisses me off that everyone keeps ignoring it, too.

>>5982689
Your effort goes not without praise anon. Especially if you really made that yourself instead of copy pasta, then i will also say good attention to details wings are nicely placed.

>>5982705
Well, we'll see come episode 8.

It just so happens that the biggest problem I have with Yasu could be explained with Jessica, or Nanjo, or Kumasawa.

>>5982709

Will is basically what people wanted Battler to be.

>>5982711
pallet swapping my dead watson

>>5982709
If you want a serious answer, Will doesn't bother me because while it's true that he's basically the most good-hearted person presented in the series, the writing does a nice job of keeping him from taking over the actual story. His relationship with Leon also does a good job in grounding him. There's also that while he's compassionate and determined, he was still used by Bernkastel and killed by her in the end. We also have clues of where he's coming from with his attitude from his backstory, which describe him as an ex-asshole of the highest order.

>>5982718
We won't see everything in episode 8.
Everything about the 2 days have been explained in episode 7, the illusion has been completely dispelled.

And the characters couldn't lie during Will's interview, we got everything we had to get from Jessica.

>>5982719
... this kind of proves my point. But oh well. I guess that as long as he's sparkling pretty the fandom will ignore his flaws, or lack thereof.

>>5982728
Then what is there to do?

>>5982735

Further stuff with Yasu. (Hopefully) Kyrie/Rudolf backstories, Battler's birth, the full truth about Rokenjima, Bern's gameboard. I guess

>>5982735
Backstory about Kyrie and Rudolf, Battler's birth, what happened during the true event other that what we saw during the tea party, the truth about the meta-world, who survived and maybe a somewhat happy ending for a few characters.

Quite a bit as you can see.

I just want to believe Jessica is innocent and sane. That's all I want.

The trigger for the happy ending on the island involves Battler actually going through with touching Shannon's boobs(and finding it fake).

Mark my words. Battler's skill as a Breast Connoisseur will be a Chekov's gun of the highest order.

>>5982751
I doubt anything more will be revealed about Yasu, maybe she survived or something but everything before the event was explained quite well.

>>5982754

>the truth about the meta-world

Fiction.

Tohya likes meta shit in her novels.

>>5982765
A happy ending can't happen on the island.

>>5982723
Is it 100% sure that he died?

>>5982764

Hello Jessica~ is there something on your face?

>>5982788
He died, but meta-characters can revive and shit since they are concepts.

Anyways he isn't needed anymore at all, there is no mystery to solve anymore.
A conceptual detective can only exist if there is a case to solve.

>>5982764
If she's innocent she will be the Umineko equivalent of Mion.

I liked episode 7, it's actually one of the best episode though the main game was quite draggy, tea party was long and quite good though.
But goddam the story fucking sucks, this episode made it quite clear.

A few months ago I read a comment here that basically said "Umineko is the Code Geass of VNs".
I completely agree after this episode.

>>5982764
I think I may be one of the only people on /jp/ who could care less for Jessica.

George though, I feel for him. Poor guy.

>>5982843
You aren't alone.

I will feel a lot less sorry for George if he really hid Battler's letter for Shannon, though.

>>5982819
Umineko didn't had Norio Wakamoto

;_;

>>5982819

The story as a whole or the murder mystery?

It became increasingly obvious after a while that the murder mystery really wasn't the point. The most important mysteries have to do with the backstory really.

Umineko in a nutshell.

Kinzo is a dick, Natsuhi is a dick, Shannon is out of her fucking mind.

>>5982819
Yeah, but just like Code Geass it's a trainwreck you just can't stop watching.

It was redeemable, but then Shkannon got confirmed in EP 6 and it goes all down hill from there.

>>5982866
I guess he's talking about how a plot about murders, mystery vs fantasy, turned out to be such a drama-fest.

I mean, I think R07 could have kept the whole deal with Beato being actually good without so much melodrama.

Hell, how many times has Beato died so far?
Also, all this things with love squares, because DID or whatever. Seriously... that's just too much, in my opinion.

I want to believe

;_;

>>5982910

>they see Bern coming towards them.jpg

>>5982866
Everything.
The backstory of pretty much everyone is also fucking retarded.

Here's a thought: I know that it's been stated before that Bernkastel didn't have any pieces in the previous games, but what if Bernkastel actually did? For example: What if Bernkastel is the Black Witch, and it's actually because of her that everything becomes so horrible in Umineko? The Black Witch causes Rosa to abuse Maria, the Black Witch was what turned Evatrice into the hateful witch that she was, and in the 4th episode the Black Witch (still controlling Evatrice) even possessed Kasumi. I know that most of these scenes are all fantastical and, of course, we can't take them seriously but it's already been stated that the magic scenes actually hold part of the truth.

>>5982924
That would explain Battler's expression.

>>5982774

There is no meta world in her stories at all.

>>5982955
Black Witch is just a representation of their own frustrations and such.

Bern has no fault on people's faults.
These people are no saints, stop trying to blame Bern for their shit.

>>5982966
Ange did tell her not to kill her in gruesome ways again.
Though she told that to Featherine in a Meta scene; so, I wouldn't know.

>>5982467

You are forgetting that Battler is an Ushiromiya. He knew about a lot of stuff we as readers did not know. Beato created the game for him to solve. She went easy on him and threw hints at him all the time.

Yet he still failed. In EP4 she was REALLY disappointed in him.

Just because he solved the whole thing after thinking it over countless times in the void don't mean he's competent.

>>5982966
>>5982966

She talked about Featherine to Tohya. That implies the Meta World is part of her story.

>>5982955
Also in EP6 she declares she killed Battler's family a lot of times.

Anyway, Black Witch = U mad

>>5982331

They both sound rather stupid, if I say so myself.

>>5982896
I remember before Shkanon came up due to EP6 (mostly in the interim while we waited for EP5 to be translated) and people were using screens from EP2, and a lot of people thought it was plausible. Some said it would be stupid, but not that many people were against it. At least, of the ones that dignified it with a response.

And then EP6's closed room. Oh boy.

Anyway.

>implying Moon-chan would have been better

>>5983009

You do realize that real Ange died after jumping off the building and everything after that is fiction?

Actually, most likely all the future stuff is fiction.

>>5983028
I'm not implying that at all really. I've always been rooting for Kyrie to be the culprit.

my wish has been granted. I am satisfied.

Why do all the theories have such gaia shipper-level shitty sounding names?
I wear sometimes I try to disprove them just because their names are so horrible

>>5982998
>You are forgetting that Battler is an Ushiromiya. He knew about a lot of stuff we as readers did not know.

No he didn't. He knows as much as he do.
Hell, he didn't even know about his own birth.

>>5983058

I'm dissapointed on the way it was executed. Besides the whole 'I don't care about Ange' hurts alot

>>5983043
Wrong. Ange survived because there was construction being done on the building she jumped from an she landed on safety nets.

Ange dies on Rokkenjima.

>>5983071
It was sort of implied in EP7 there were no such safety nets.

>>5983043

I agree that most of the future is fiction, but I think Ange's journey really happened in some way. Tohya just wrote it in her story a few years after the fact, and did some research. Ange probably disappeared in 1998, Tohya just concluded she died.

>>5983069
I still believe Kyrie only said that in order to make sure Eva didn't hold anything against her (Ange's) parents for killing her husband and son.

There's no reason that Kyrie would plan birthday gifts ahead of time or take Ange to the amusement park to see Battler if she didn't like her.

>>5983071
>>5983075

Was there even a jump?

Might be another of Tohya's creative liberties.

>>5983071

Whole future from EP4 is pure fiction. In reality Tohya was the one doing the investigation.

Can we trust the backstory and characterizations we've been given up to this point?

I mean it shouldn't really matter, because we've been together with the Pieces all this time and this is their story, but it kinda bothers me a little that the real deal might not be anything like them.

>>5983082

That is very plausable. Hopefully thats the case.

The fact Kyrie did those things don't prove anything. Maybe she enjoyed doing parties, or simply doesn't caring about Ange doesn't make her to pass of her ass.

Most important. You only have Ange's viewpoint, can you imagine how much of a wonderful mother would Rosa look like if you only had brief bits of information told you by Maria?

>>5983125

Pieces can't act against their nature.

>>5982910
Who's the girl with long blue hair? I've never seen her before.

>>5983180

That's just a rule that Tohya made up. She also wrote EP5.

>>5983190

Except her stories don't contain meta world. Just like the bottled letters.

Meta world is at least partially real.

>>5981815
>You really can't excuse Jessica's facelift

One would say you can't really excuse turning Kyrie into charcoal in EP6 (yeah I know lol it was a fantasy scene but it showed what she's capable of doing) for your petty puppy love with a dude you only been in a relationship for less than a day. What If it was Natsuhi who Jessica saw instead of Kyrie I'd like to see her try smashing Natsuhi's head in.

>>5983179
>Maybe she enjoyed doing parties, or simply doesn't caring about Ange doesn't make her to pass of her ass.
>doesn't caring about Ange doesn't make her to pass of her ass.

LAWLZ GAIZ!!

umineko 8 p1/3

I think i know what's gonna happen in EP8.
Battler is gonna be like omg ushiromiya family has problems and needs reform.
Battler finds the gold and start fixing family problems.
But then Kyrie appears as trying to kill someone and fucking crazy. They catch her in the middle of trying to kill battler for the ring and tie her up. But rudolf captures both George, kanon, and Shannon. And demands a hostage swap. Unfortuneately, it doesn't go well and a fire fight ensures in which george and kanon are killed, shannon barely surviving with an injury. Kyrie and Rudolf escape. Unfortunately During her recovery shannon disappears. Beatrice kills the 3 servants. making 5 deaths and 1 missing.

>>5983125
One of the themes that has been touched on a few times is that the pieces on the game board cannot be made to take any actions that go against their character or are impossible for them.

Thus, we can probably rest assured anything we've seen a character do, even if it was in a 'magic' scene, was something that person was capable of doing under those circumstances.

If Jessica kills Kyrie in a 'magic' scene under the stipulation that if she doesn't Kanon will leave her, then Jessica is capable of killing to preserve her relationship with Kanon. And 'it didn't matter who'. Kyrie just got unlucky in that case.

Similarly, Kyrie is just as capable of murder as she is shown to be. Though that doesn't mean she necessarily killed anyone in the 'real' version of events. And so on and so on. George could kill Eva if that was what it takes for him to be with Shannon. Doesn't mean he will, but he could.

>>5983224

Umineko 8 2/3
The crew receives a call from kyrie to surrender the ring or die due to the bomb she found claiming that she was the only one that knew how to disarm it/strong holding in the only safe place. But not before they find Natsuhi and Kurauss dead & staked. Eva, rosa, and nanjo go to face off against K&R with the ring, while maria jessica and battler stay locked in kinzo's study.
The battle ensues, kyrie kills rosa who killed rudolf who killed nanjo. K and E face off with Eva winning. While recovering her wounds in the Gold room, she gets a call from shannon in kinzo's study telling her to come with the ring.
When eva reaches there at 11:00 of the second day. with time running out for the bomb. The cousins are tied up and Beatrice gets a shot into eva with the hostages, blaming her and the rest of the adults for killing joji.
Beatrice had gotten complete control of the situation now, she claims no longer a person but a murderer and witch of rokkenjima who will kill everyone. She had already died inside thanks to the ushiromiya family and their servants. The only thing future that remainded for her was with joji, which wasn't what she wanted anyways, so now they will all die together!

>>5983207

Once again. Ange acknowledges Featherine while talking to Tohya.

Oh look i found Umineko's entire plot

How could anyone take the 5th and 6th games (or message bottles, if you prefer), if there was no Meta-world in them? It would be like 10 paragraphs and stops after the first twilight? That's more of a joke then a legitimate story. I doubt Ange would have sought Hachijo out if that were the case.

>>5983179
>can you imagine how much of a wonderful mother would Rosa look like if you only had brief bits of information told you by Maria?

Unfortunately Maria isn't a reliable source of information since we clearly see Rosa smack Maria around and Maria still considers Rosa a Best mom ever.

>doesn't caring about Ange doesn't make her to pass of her ass.

For some reason this sounds quite erotic...

>>5983230

Yeah, this is the established rule for characters within Tohya's fiction. But we don't have any real evidence that this is how they really are because the only time we see the "real" Rokkenjima is in the Tea Party. Which is probably written by Tohya too, since it contains Meta scenes.

Fucking hell. If only Ange didn't acknowledge Featherine in the Tohya scenes.

>>5983217
There's a small difference. Jessica burning Kyrie to crisp was a fantasy scene. That never happened. Kyrie using Jessica as a piñata, on the other hand, was the real thing.

>>5983288

But the fact that Jessica is willing to do that still counts. Or what? it doesn't matter because it never happened? I guess as long as its fantasy you can go kicking you're mother in the chest while she spits her guts out.

>>5983247
>>5983224

Umineko 8 3/3

Battler and jessica try to convince her otherwise. Maria remains knocked out due to Beatrice drugging her. They finally make a break after battler remembers his promise. But Beatrice says it's too late now as she has already stained her hands red with blood and cannot be forgiven. She starts having a mental breakdown due to conflicts with her personalities. Eva takes this opportunity and knocks her out and tumbles. She manages to get to battler and untie him no her knees. She tells them to go to kuwadorian and hide in the gold vault, saying that they will barely make it at full speed. Battler says he'll carry Eva since it was her right thigh that was shot, and she sprained her left leg sprinting to knock out Shannon. Eva says its impossible for battler to carry shannon and her. Jessica is carrying maria. She says that if they took anymore weight they wouldn't make it in time. She screams for them claiming that she killed K&R, so battler would leave her and as well as killing N&K accidentally so that jessica could forgive shannon.
The rest of them leave to kuwadorian and Eva takes maria's bag with the book, writes the story with her as the killer of shannon's victims and locks it in kinzo's safe along with the family ring.
the Rokkenjima explosion occurrs.

Wait for Epilogue

>>5983330

umineko 8

The police find the evidence eva left behind and claim her as Beatrice via writing match. They scour the island to find her and place a bounty on her head incase she escaped.

The children are free to rebuild the Ushiromiya family knowing not to repeat the sins of greed. The loans and debts owed by the parents cannot be passed on to them, but kinzo's assets do transfer over to them. The children are more than capable of handling the ushiromiya corp. under these circumstances. Though battler shared the head with jessica became the sumahara clan made on claims as his guardian.

Ushiromiya Eva's body was never found. And some stories by witch hunters on the internet say that she survived and is silently watching over the Ushiromiya line in darkness.

">Unfortunately Maria isn't a reliable source of information since we clearly see Rosa smack Maria around and Maria still considers Rosa a Best mom ever."

That's the point. Who said Ange is reliable? As far as I know she wasn't on EP4, EP in which Kyrie's flashbacks are.
And you don't have any view from Kyrie's side as you have from Rosa.

>>5983327
There's a difference between being willing to do something and actually doing it.

People, in general, are willing to do things you wouldn't imagine, but they don't do them for a variety of reasons.

>>5983346

We don't have any of Kyrie's point of view therefore in a way we can't really say how she truly feels about Ange. (in b4 Teaparty)

>>5983373

Yes. But she did turn Kyrie into charcoal. In the fantasy scene of course

>>5983385
That's exactly my point. That's a willing to do. That doesn't mean Jessica would normally do it in real life. Kyrie, on the other hand, did smash Jessica's face.

>>5983420

Well it's physically imposible to throw a hellfire from your fist through the keyhole in real life (just saying) but I get your point.

>>5983420
But how many of us when enraged or upset, imagine to do the worst things ever?
Don't tell me you never wished death upon anyone, even if for just a moment.
That still doesn't mean we're all potential killers.

10 tons of gold and a mentally ill person

ryu07 I am dissapoint

Hey, remember in episode 6 when Auau told Ange that she'll write a good end to her with a miracle happening?
Hoping for Auau hijack in a future episode.

>>5983462
unlikely. At the end of EP 7 she goes to sleep for a couple hundred centuries

>>5983455
Maria and the gold were there since the first episode, bro.

>>5983467
AuAu is nothing but a liar...

I wanted to believe...

>>5983467
yeah, unlikely, but not impossible.

>>5983467
>couple of centuries
>we now know that those famed 1000 years were only 6
Well that won't be a long sleep.

Kyrie has exactly all the reasons why i hate feminism on her. She was fucking disgusting this ep.

Isn't Kyrie such an amazing mother? Much better than Eva who tried to stuff her son back into her womb.

>>5983567
I'd stuff her womb, if you know what i mean.

>>5983504
Kinzo has exactly all the reasons why i hate machismo on him. He was fucking disgusting since 1944.

>>5983567
Kill Kyrie, Marry Eva, raise Ange as daughter.

Never thought I'd see Eva as a moeblob, but that's just the way Umineko goes, motherfucker.

>>5982392
Please and thank you!

Best otp

>>5984831
This pairing is bananas, but they had some great hero/villain chemistry.

>>5984862
THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT BEATO AND BATTLER TOO

LOVE CAN BLOOM ON THE BATTLEFIELD

>>5984857
This reminds me, I found it pretty funny that R07 referenced Jessica's character song.

... and I thought I was the only one who was thinking about a WillxBern...

>>5984892
She DID keep offering to let him go. <_<

>>5984947
So, was part of the reason she wanted Lion dead because Will is hard gay for him?

>>5984986
Clearly. I bet Bern hasn't had a good dicking in several thousands of years.

>>5985024
I'm sure Lambda could summon up a dick or two for herself.

>>5985039
That's an artificial, fleeting dicking at best. Not a real one.

Batora, may I remind you that's your sister

>>5985265
oh god

>>5985024
>>Bern has a pussy.
I SO BET YOU BERN HAS A COCK.
HOW ELSE DOES SHE RAPE SO MNUCH ASS?

>>5985335
She uses her tail.

>>5985265
Battler is like young Kinzo, if you know what I mean.

That's how it went, I swear.

>>5985350
Oh, <VERY GOOD>

>>5985350
Shroedinger again, I presume?

Motherfucker, why is he so amazing

>>5985350
I fucking love you.

>>5985350
There is no way for me to tell you how much I love you right now.

>>5985350
oh god, this is fantastic.

any more bern/battler fanart

they are so cute together

>>5985350
this is incredible

Am I the only person here that still wants a hobo end?

>>5985439
No, you're not alone. I still long for a horribly depressing hobo end that I know I'll never get, because it would inevitably be at least a little shipfaggy and since I am a shipperfag I deserve to feel horrible.

>>5985439
I liked the battler=kinzo end myself
Not sure if I truly want TRUTH END or HAPPY END though.
I'd at least want some sort of closure for Meta-Battler

>>5985350
Fucking lol'd. Thanks your sir, you made my day.
>captcha: for crushed

>>5985399

No, but have some Bern+Will instead

>BernxWill

>>5985725

Will doesnt have much lick with pink people today

Also, I apologize, anon, if it was your art that I just butchered up xD

>>5985946
*luck

I hate to start the whole shitfight with Yasu and stuff again, but re-reading the proposal scene from EP6

George says to Shannon 'The person that made me finally get over my conceit and open my eyes...was you Shannon. .....No, it was both of you'

HE TOTALLY KNOWS THE TRUTH ABOUT SHANNON.
Not sure if all the hate George got in the past was deserved, he seems to be the only one of the cousins that has any sort of maturity and stuff.

>>5986428
It was obvious in episode 6.
Doesn't mean he has anything to do with her sick game.

>>5986428
The shitfight currently is not about accepting Yasu or not, it's about people trying in any way to justify her through pity versus people thinking she's a heartless and fickle dramawhore.

>>5986428
We all know that Battler DID remember to write the letter, and that Joji hid it because he didn't want to be NTR'd.

Not that it matters, Yasu shouldn't lead that many people on.

Fuck Battler talked to Shannon once, Joji is devoted and caring. To make him the BAD GUY all of a sudden simply because he felt threatened by Battler is plain old silly.

And yet, I'm almost certain Ryukushi is going to have one of the cousins take a fall to get a Yasu x Battler end, because childhood crushes are the most sacred and meaningful of all relationships.

>>5986428
Joji might know, but guarantee you he's not responsible for Yasu's HAPPY FUN MURDER TIME game.

That's either a creation of Yasu's own sick device, or something done by a nihilist who is using Yasu. Not George, who wouldn't gain from it.

>>5986445
They already died you know, can't get a worse fall than this

>>5986454
Nobody had anything to gain from this game, except Yasu.

>>5986454
Having not read EP 7 I'm curious to know one thing
I know that Yasu=Shannon=Kanon=Beatrice=whoever.
Yasu seems to be the evil one, but are Shannon and Kannon 'victims' of her crime (all subcosciously unaware of each other) or have Shannon and/or Kannon killed some people?

How's the translation going on this one?
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=big&illust_id=12689489

>>5986472
No, you know what I mean, George, Jessica, Maria, someone sitting on a chair drinking a glass of Chianti explaining how everything was according to their plan, and how Yasu isn't to blame, yada yada yada.

>>5986473
Well, yeah. Only Yasu or a nihilist.

We all know episode 8 is going to be everyone resolving their issues and then dying in an explosion, while that DUN DA DUN theme plays.

Can we go back to 'has Yasu really DID?'

>>5986498
No, it's stupid.

>>5986506
Why?
His personalities are aware of each other and even hold conversations on real time.
That shit's weird.

>>5986508
I think it's more likely that they are illusions. At the very least, that's what Will called Kanon.

>>5986508
Because its just a question of perception.
R07 will never say Yasu has DID or disprove it so arguing about it is stupid.
Also it's a fiction, DID is never portrayed well in fiction despite being used a fucking lot.

>>5986510
I always bet for imaginary friends, we know how they work thanks to Maria.

>>5986510
No, Will called everything that is a trick, doesn't exist or something that was a wrong information "illusion".

>>5986508

I prefer them as personas Yasu presents to different people. It fits in with the whole internalizing the name Yasu/worthless deal. Witch=0 etc. S/he's an empty shell.

>>5986508
If Yasu really has DID how come Genji interacts with both Shannon and Kanon at the same time?
And looking back on EP 5 when Battler acknowledges both Shannon and Kanon, its a fantasy scene (apparently) but it can't be explained away if they are actually one person.

>>5986521
They are one person, move on from this.

>>5986514
Will said a "phantom" cannot leave behind a corpse, yet there's Red for Kanon's death.

Additionally, the words trick and illusion can be used in the same context in this so called closed rooms.

>>5986474
Yasu became Beatrice, she wasn't evil, at least at first. It's just fictions to hide the real truth. In those fictions Beatrice kills people "possessing" bodies of Shkannon. The servants themselves don't kill anyone and probably aren't aware of this.

>>5986526
Will uses 幻 aka illusion for Kanon, same word he use everywhere during this scene

>>5986523

why can't you answer his question?

>>5986549
Because there is nothing to answer that isn't obvious.
Shannon and Kanon are the same person, Genji only talk to Shannon and Kanon at the same time in fantasy scenes but everyone do this, episode 5 and 6 are fantasy all the time, episode 7 agrees.

>>5986521
>>5986549
Because Genji, Kumasawa and Nanjo know everything about them and hide it. The author of the story decided to show it like he interacts with them like with the two people.

>>5986553
By that reasoning that makes Both Episode 5 and 6 a complete waste of time to read?

>>5986561
It's not a waste of time, they were important for the narrative and to give hints to the main plot (ShKanontrice).

>>5986561
If you don't need any extra hints, yes.

>>5986532
>Will uses 幻 aka illusion for Kanon, same word he use everywhere during this scene

Illusion, phantom, mirage... call it what you will. That's what Will called Kanon. I used Phantom because he said something along the lines "A 幻 without a corpse". So, I used Phantom for this particular line.

>>5986577
幻 can mean phantom but not in the ghost meaning.
Rather think "Star Wars: the Phantom Menace", there 幻 would be used.

幻 is illusion, trick, it implies that someone is trying to mislead you.

>>5986595
I know it doesn't mean ghost. It means illusion, mirage... something that'd it seem to exist, but it actually doesn't. That's what Kanon is.

>>5986428

I thought it was odd when I first read EP6 too, but I understood "both of you" as "you and Battler"

Just a possibility on what he meant, I'm not too sure
/will have to reread EP6 for that part

So how hard would it be for Witch Hunt to translate this episode? I get the impression that keeping Yasu gender neautral might pose problems.

>>5986665
Call R07 and ask him.

>>5986665
If they aren't stupid, avoiding third person pronouns should be that much of a challenge.

>>5986675
*shouldn't

>>5986672

Now that I look at that fanart....

Yasu is Kinzo's child/grandkid

Battler's Kinzo's grandchild (as Beato is unable to say in red that he isnt, and he's Ushiromiya Batler)
Joji and Moonchan are also Ushiromiyas - aka the grandchildren


INCEST TIEM MUCH R07!?

>>5986718
Beato-1 was already pregnant when she met Kinzo. So, technically...

>>5986718
Shannon doesn't know she's Yasu.
As for her and Battler, yeah, it's one of the theories to explain the flashback rage.
Realizing Battler is a relative -> Realizing she would be the same as Kinzo -> "This body can't love"

>>5986718
Love between cousins is a-okay in Japan.
In fact, Battler's blood relation with Lyon is probably less closer than that of cousins.

>>5986735
The problem is Yasu explicitly said she couldn't love because of an injury.

>>5986755
As I remember, she just said that it would have been better off dying, asked Genji/Nanjo why they saved her/him, and then said her/his body can't love.
The injury thing was speculation on anon's part, and never said explicitly.

>>5986757
Huh? What are you talking about? She explicitly talks about a serious injury.

>私はあの時の大怪我で、……こんな体で生きさせられている！！
>こんな、恋をすることも出来ない体で……！！
>そんなの、そんなの、生きる価値がないんじゃないですか？！
>そんなのニンゲンじゃない…！！
>家具じゃないですか！！」

>>5986757

If that speculation was true, however, George couldnt have known Shannon is Kanon when he said "both of you", since George also talks about having children after they are married.

>>5986795
BAWWWWWW I'M A CRIPPLE THAT MEAN I HAVE THE RIGHT TO KILL A DOZEN PEOPLE

>>5986795
Well, I guess this will devolve into a "MY SPECULATION IS BETTER THAN YOU'RES", but in my personal opinion as the text is written the injury and the impossibility of loving aren't directly linked.
She just laments the fact her body was made to live after the injury.
I don't think the mangled penis theory is wrong, but it's not like it's the only thing that fits.

>>5986803
Don't start with this shit again.

>>5986800
As someone was saying, it could easily refer to Battler.

>>5986830
It has nothing to do with speculation, but being able to read Japanese.
The serious injury and being unable to love are related.
She said they've forced her to live with that body that has that injury from back then. Then she rambles on how her body is unable to love, and how that makes life not worth living.

>>5986856
You're now realizing that her injury was a serious blow to the head, which led to a mental illness and multiple personalities, that NEED the duel and "miracle of magic" to be able to fall in love.
Lion doesn't have this problem.

>>5986856
I can read it just fine, you know?
で isn't always causative, I'm guessing you are translating
>私はあの時の大怪我で、……こんな体で生きさせられている！！
as
>Because of that injury ....I was made to live with this body!!
but it can also be
>At the time of that injury ....I was made to live with this body!!
If you take as premise she's saying "this body" because she's referring to the fact she's found out they are related, it fits.
But go ahead, keep on disproving other theories because you think yours is the only possible one.

>>5986872
>s blow to the head, which led to a mental illness and multiple personalities
DID is not due to this.

>>5986876
And also let me add, if she was mutilated/whatever, isn't it strange that she doesn't even once remark on that fact before?
Shannon fell in love with Battler before the epitaph, wouldn't you think she'd know if her body was a ruined mess?
Instead, we get the rage flashback only once she solves the epitaph and gets told of her origins.

>>5986877
Except it's not going to be DID, but rather really excessive, morbid imagination.

>>5986896
It's never going to be proved or disproved, stop trying to argue about this.

>>5986876
>>5986895
>At the time of that injury
>私はあの時の大怪我で

The problem is that she's not talking about time. She's talking about the injury from that time.

In addition to the blood relation deal. It doesn't even really matter. Their degree of consanguinity is not even that close. They'd be like cousins or even less, since Lyon mother is not the same as Battler's grandmother. In Japan, that's not incest.

>>5986957
>The problem is that she's not talking about time.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%A7
>時間の流れは、前文の後に後文が起こるように表現される。
You can't deny it's a possible interpretation. You read it your way at first, I read it this way. Is japanese univocal?
And Yasu being his aunt would make it illegal in Japan as well.

This is the cheese thing all over again, just because I'm thinking out of the box doesn't mean I'm wrong.

>>5986896
It makes sense, especially since you are unable to tell reality from delusions apart.
Except in a few periods of consciousness (and trust me, I know what I'm talking about)

>>5987009
I still believe there's a more concrete or physical obstacle in her way.
Being an hermaphrodite would make the most sense under many circumstances.

>>5987075
>Being an hermaphrodite would make the most sense under many circumstances.
I think so too, but in the case Yasu is really saying that her body can't love thanks to an injury... how would the two things work together? I mean, her body would already be unable to love - from her pov - even without the injury.

I'm asking because I think both ideas are valid, and I don't know if/how they could be real at the same time.

Can anyone make a Toy Story shoop with Bern telling Will: "Cats... Cats everywhere."

Please!

>>5987108
Being an hermaphrodite wouldn't really conflict with "can't love because we're relatives". Shannon and Kanon, even if they could realize they are the same being, don't seem to know they are the same as Yasu/piece-Beatrice, so they wouldn't know the issue.

However, if being intersexed is her obstacle it would mean she/he was from birth, and that doesn't work with the "can't love because of injury"

>>5987108
I'd say her injury was probably in her genitalia. After the fall, her genitals were damaged. I think this is somewhat hinted by her late growth.

Perhaps, she believes that since she cannot have children she's unable to love?

The problem with the incest deal is that Yasu is saying her body is unable to love. She's not limiting it to Battler.

Hell, she's even saying she's not human, but furniture.
I'm 100% this has got nothing to do with incest.

>>5987142
>However, if being intersexed is her obstacle it would mean she/he was from birth, and that doesn't work with the "can't love because of injury"
Yeah, this is what I was talking about. Like >>5987163 said, I don't think she's referring to the incest at all.

>>5987144
>I think this is somewhat hinted by her late growth
This is an interesting point.

>>5987163
>She's not limiting it to Battler.
if she is in love with Battler, who else would 恋をする be referring to? Some fucker she doesn't even know? And this is supposed to make her rage?

Both being hermaphrodite and crippled doesn't still explain why she accuses Genji and Nanjo that late, though.
If not being able to love generically is all she gets mad about, she had plenty of time to do it before.
It must be something related to knowing she's an Ushiromiya. Doesn't mean it's incest, but at the moment I can't think of much else.

>>5987214
She's talking about herself, her own body. She's saying her body is unable to love. She's saying that because of this, she's not human. I cannot see how can any of this can possibly have anything to do with incest.

>>5987241
If she only learned that she had been thrown off that cliff at that moment, if she didn't know what had caused her current condition/that she could have just died instead of having to live and deal with it, her snapping only at that moment would make sense.

Did the final solution to the Epitaph map to the Taiwan theory perfectly? I still find the Up, Down, Left, Right, and the Driver for the stakes believable. Plus that the entrance was the well.

If you say that she calls herself furniture because of such injury, explain that furniture deal in ep6. Why they needed the trial to become humans and to be able to fall in love?

>>5987293
The letters in QUADRILLION on the chapel is itself the mechanism with the keys. You need to move letters there. Genji always cleaned that relief himself. Entrance is behind the chapel, the secret path opens somehow.

>>5987293
>>5987263
So why could she fall in love with Battler, if she knew from the beginning she couldn't love? I'm jsut trying to understand since I'm confused.

>>5987340
It's not that she can't love because she's emotionally unable to: it's her body/her injury that makes her think that she isn't fit to love - because she isn't like everyone else, she isn't 'normal' - and at the same time, that nobody will love her because of her deformity.

And asnwering to >>5987307 it's because that way one personality would prove not only that their feelings were the strongest, but also that they were loved back: winning would have meant being recognized as a human who deserves to be loved and can love like everyone else, in spite of whatever's wrong with Yasu's body.

>>5987356
So she can't fall in love because of physical condition of her body, but it's okay if she wins magical duel with other personalities? Makes sense.

In this duel for Shannon it was marriage at stake, while for Kanon - only his love. And we see that in the Golden Land, where all wishes are granted, both Batter/Beato and Shannon/George are actually married, while only Kanon simply becomes human to love Jessica.

>>5987356
>it's her body/her injury that makes her think that she isn't fit to love - because she isn't like everyone else, she isn't 'normal'
Right, she think she isn't fit to/can't do something, but does it all the same?
>that nobody will love her because of her deformity.
But Battler made it clear he did with the pony promise? I know he didn't respect it afterwards, but if Battler fit the bill enough before that, thinking no one will love her doesn't make sense.
The outburst is too sudden and out of the blue for it to be something she knew since birth and didn't actually impede her relationship with Battler.
How does that even work with Shannon? If she knew her body wasn't fit for love back then, why would she now? Battler's and George's promise are basically the same thing.

>>5987388
>So she can't fall in love because of physical condition of her body, but it's okay if she wins magical duel with other personalities?

Bro, the magical duel is a metaphor.

Yasu didn't expect to be loved because she thought of herself as less than human thanks to her injury.

Still, she fell in love with Battler and thought he cared for her; Jessica and George loved her other personalities. What she thought was impossible happened. Now the problem was another: which one of these personalities would win and earn the right to live the rest of their life with their beloved?

The one who proved to be the 'most human' out of all three i.e. the one who's love was stronger, and whose beloved's feelings were stronger than those of the other cousins.

In the real world, Shannon is the strongest personality because she moved on and accepted George's love, and helped it grow. Which is why it's also said that if Battler had returned in 1987 the murders wouldn't have happened: because Shannon would have married George, the other two personalities would have disappeared, and she would have left the island.

That's why she wins the duel and in the meta world she and George are married. At the same time, we have meta Battler and meta Beato who are married as well because a) they love each other, b) Battler is the new territory lord.

Kanon's 'only' given the right to love Jessica because his persona/love wasn't as strong as Shannon's.

>>5987410
I think that the difference is that Shannon, as a personality, is pretty much sure that she's female - a normal girl like everyone else - and it's her who fell in love with Battler before moving on and giving her feelings to Yasu/Beato.

tl;dr Shannon doesn't have the same 'issues' Yasu does.

>The outburst is too sudden and out of the blue for it to be something she knew since birth
Yeah, but did she know what had caused it and that she had been saved by Nanjo and Genji?
If up until that point she had just accepted it as something she was born with and that she couldn't blame on anyone, suddenly knowing that it had been caused by the foster mother who had refused her - Natsuhi - and that Nanjo and Genji had 'forced' her to live with that condition, would change many things. I'm not saying that I approve or agree with her, but try to understand.
She also learned who was her father and who was her mother, which meant more emotional stress; she also learned that solving the epitaph hadn't changed anything, because if she hadn't been able to, then Genji would have led her to the solution anyway: she found out that her whole life had been manipulated by those around her, that she had been lied to; couple this with her physical problems and you'll see why she thinks of herself as less than human, why she doesn't think anyone will ever see her as such = love her.

>Yeah, but did she know what had caused it and that she had been saved by Nanjo and Genji?
>If up until that point she had just accepted it as something she was born with and that she couldn't blame on anyone
I'm not talking about her rage per se. Knowing the causes about her condition doesn't really change what she thinks about it. If: "crippled = not fit for love" according to her, why does "I know I'm crippled since birth = I love and am loved by Battler" makes sense to you?
Thsi doesn't really make sense unless her definition about requirements of love or definition about her body changed over time.
If one definition stays the same throughout her life, the other is in conflict with it.


tl;dr Shannon doesn't have the same 'issues' Yasu does.
I don't think it can go as far as "don't realize your body is a crippled mess", sorry. Shannon loved and loves, Yasu is supportive of her. Would she think she herself can't love because of her body but Shannon can?
I say the same thing you said to me before. She doesn't think it's emotional, but physical. Shannon closing her eyes about it doesn't make it magically ok.
If Shannon's body can, why couldn't Yasu's? If Yasu's can't, why should she think Shannon's can?

>>5987424
>Shannon is the strongest personality
There is no way Shannon is the strongest personality. Claire says that the duel had been fought and was being carried out before 1986. Shannon obviously won. So why would she go along with something that had absolutely no benefit to her? Instead, it was almost certain to destroy her relationship.

Hell, even Shannon starts branding herself with "furniture" once Yasu does, even though Shannon should know darn well at this point that she is able to love and be loved.

>>5987424
I know all of this, bro.
Except Beato's rage scene supposed to happen not before she solved the epitaph and learned the truth, which has happened November 29, 1984. By this time both Shannon and Beato should have fallen in love, which should be impossible for them in case of such grave injury. Or are you saying that it's impossible only because they think so? Then that injury wasn't any serious in the first place, it's just some complex of hers.

>>5987532
Genji says it was a very serious injury.

>>5987547
here, new thread since this hit bump limit and finding it is a chore

>>5987539
More like life-threatening at the time and that she miraculously survived. Did he say that she'll become crippled in some way?

>>5987108
What if Yasu is simply talking about trauma, rather than mangled penis or something.
IT might be the reason why she created the extra personae, to love in her place...or something