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anyone hav a dl of the Rokkenjima in LOVE cd?

>>5978650
http://www.mediafire.com/?lzkwwzynxym

Here ya go.

Copy & Pastin Yasu analysation by that one anon:

Sure is a lot of people misunderstanding Yasu in this thread. Chronotrig is totally right. There's no DID.

Here are my thoughts. Stuff that I'm theorizing will be marked.

- Yasu was born. The fall from the cliff happens. Genji and Nanjo manage to miraculously save the baby.
- Due to the severity of the injury, and being sickly to begin with, Yasu can easily be mistaken for someone younger than they are. Genji sets their "official" age to three years younger to avoid detection from Natsuhi and Kinzo.
- Genji places Yasu in the Fukuin House and gets her hired. He does so to basically see if Kinzo will notice the truth about Yasu without Yasu having to be under Kinzo's direct influence.
- When Yasu starts working, she has the physical and mental capacity of a SIX YEAR OLD.
- Natsuhi and Krauss speculated that Yasu was hired as a sort of live-in playmate for Jessica, who was lonely with no peers on the island, but Natsuhi rejects the idea her daughter playing with a servant, and not being able to choose her daughter's friends.
- Krauss wanted to tell Kinzo that Yasu was too young to hire, but Kinzo was in full batshit mode by this point, so there wasn't really anything that could be done about it.
- So they used her as a regular maid. In other words, work that is difficult for a full grown person to do was now being heaped on a six year old child.

>>5978663

- Naturally, the other maids weren't thrilled over being saddled with what was basically dead weight. Yasu wasn't even really a healthy kid and couldn't really do a full maid's share of the work.
- Even with Genji trying to lighten her load, the other servants resented her for getting "special treatment".
- So they gave her the pejorative nickname "Yasu". Basically, "Useless". A bunch of teenagers call and treat a six year old like trash until she internalizes it as her own name. Not only do other people call her useless, she calls HERSELF useless.
- Yasu creates an ideal persona to aspire towards. "Shannon" is old enough to be good at her job. Shannon is sweet and patient, not frustrated and resentful. Shannon is liked by all and friends with everyone. Shannon has a name, not a pejorative.

Anyone have a dl for the Umineko Chiru Music Box?

>>5978667

- Of course, Yasu isn't chained to the island. She does go to school. However, her work demands that she comes right in immediately afterwards. This has the double effect of isolating her from her peers her own age (can't spend any time with them) and making the people she spends the rest of her time with resent her further (special treatment, again)
- This means Yasu didn't really have any peers or friends.
- However, Yasu is sort of similar to Maria in that she's very imaginative. She is young enough to actually believe Kumasawa's stories. so when she makes mistakes and loses things, she blames "Beatrice" for hiding them.
- This culminates in one day when she loses one of the cleaning supplies in the chapel. As she searches, she imagines "Beatrice" (Gaap) moving the brush from place to place, taunting her. Finally she says that Gaap-Beatrice can return the brush when they have become friends. Right after that, she finds the brush.

- Yasu is very forgetful, as most children are. Natsuhi scolds her very often for losing her keys, until Kumasawa makes her a special spiderweb charm to keep Beatrice away, and tells her to make a "home" for all her belongings then send them back there when they're done. (In other words, put things away as soon as you're done with them.)

- Kumasawa knows the truth about Yasu and finds her blaming Beatrice amusing. She thinks of it as Yasu's mother's spirit telling her daughter to keep an eye on her belongings. She also gets Yasu hooked on mystery novels.

>>5978671

- So far, Gaap-Beatrice is merely a manifestation of people losing things, to Yasu. Sort of like a mischievous poltergeist. She's not a "personality" or anything.
- This changes somewhat when she pulls a prank on some of her fellow servants that were badmouthing her. This is probably the first time she's ever felt superior when it comes to another person. Before, she's always been the stupid inferior one, no matter what.

- We get a scene of Yasu becoming Beatrice and leaving and only Shannon is left.

SPECULATION: I think this actually symbolizes Yasu separating her ACTIONS, not a personality. She "becomes" Beatrice because she plays pranks on people sometimes. It's a role she plays occasionally to vent her frustration and make herself feel better. It's also a mostly subconscious one.

>>5978668
No :( I've been keeping tabs on every Comiket thread since they started... I don't think they're gonna upload any of those albums =/

>>5978675

- At this point, Yasu is probably around eight or nine (mentally, not literally). This is about the time you stop believing in witches and fantasy, so "Beatrice" as a concept begins to become hazy.
- So at this point, Yasu has become Shannon. All her dreams, wishes, resentments and symbolized by Claire-Beatrice. Sometimes these bubble up to the surface, but for the most part, Shannon continues her life as usual.
- In other words, life is what it is. It's not the most fun life, but it's not a bad life either. It's full of hard work, but there are pockets of joy to be found.
- One such pocket is the family conference. This is where Yasu's responsibilities are lightened and she gets to frolic with kids around her own age. It's also when Battler comes to visit.

- The night before the conference, Yasu has a dream of Claire-Beatrice, who lives in utopia.
SPECULATION: Claire-Beatrice mentions outright that Yasu was not invited to this tea party. This means she created it. A part of her still longs for her childish dreams, symbolized by Claire-Beatrice. But Yasu rejects Claire-Beatrice's utopia. Why? Battler isn't there.

- Battler and Yasu get along very well, probably the best in the group. They love to talk about mysteries with one another. That year, Battler utters the infamous "I'll come to get you on a white horse" line, and Yasu falls head over heels.

>>5978680

- Yasu says she doesn't want to decide at this point, both she and Battler agree to wait another year.
- Yasu starts seeing more and more of Claire-Beatrice, who encourages flights of fancy regarding Battler and what their life could possibly be like. In other words, Yasu is indulging in fantasies.
- Yes, we all know what happens. Asumu dies, Battler cries, ect, ect.
- Yasu waits for three years. The scene with the letters happens, and Yasu's faith is finally completely shattered.
- There is a scene with Claire-Beatrice where she apologizes for encouraging Yasu's flights of fancy.
- I think it's important to note that Yasu isn't bitter or angry towards anyone over this. She's just hurt.
- Yasu "gives" Claire-Beatrice her feelings for Battler and then "remakes" Beatrice to better suit Battler's ideal girl in looks. Once again, Beatrice acts as a sort of, hmmm, closet for things that Yasu values but wants to move on from. Things she's outgrown. Or dreams that won't come to anything.
- Beatrice now encourages Yasu to move on. To assist in doing so, she's giving Yasu a little brother.

SPECULATION: I think Yasu is intersex. Also, Yasu is about thirteen (or sixteen) right now, which means puberty and hormones. I think Kanon is a response to that. He represents another option for Yasu. Yasu can be female (Shannon) or male (Kanon) and find happiness either way.

>>5978654
thank you very much anon best part of my day <3

>>5978685

SPECULATION CONT: Since Nanjo, Kumasawa, and Genji know about any condition Yasu has, I think they would be understanding and helpful if Yasu wants to sort of see which gender they like better. Yasu also didn't instigate the romantic relationships between George and Jessica respectively, so I don't think they were using the cousins per say.
Under this speculation, Shannon and Kanon aren't personalities, they're just ways of acting. Yasu acting as boy? Kanon. Yasu acting as a girl? Shannon. In fact, I think Shannon and Kanon make better sense if you take them to be one person, but I know a lot of people disagree and prefer DID. Just my opinion. Moving on.

- "Shannon" and "Kanon" end up in relationships (some to stronger degrees than others) cultivated by the cousins. Yasu's gender will be decided by whichever s/he loves most. All seems to be going pretty well.
- Yasu occasionally playacts as Beatrice with Maria when they see one another. I think this is mostly for Maria's sake, but.

>>5978686
No problem. Always glad to help out.

>>5978690

- Then, the epitaph and portrait is put up. Yasu further refines the image of Beatrice to match the portrait. Shannon and Kanon are given a hint by Genji to solve the epitaph.
- Yasu, portrayed as Beatrice, decides to solve it as a way to strengthen herself.
- She does so and finds the gold.
- THIS is where everything comes crashing down on her head, and what makes me think multiple personalities aren't really a part of it.
1. When she finds the gold, she's still "talking" like Beatrice, but when Genji appears and actually calls her Beatrice, that stops and she reverts to her normal way of speaking.
2. She becomes hesitant and confused.
3. She says "I wasn't Beatrice" to herself.
4. Finally, she starts speaking in a totally gender-neutral way. This is the same way we see her talk in the Lambda TIP, btw. "Jibun" instead of "warawa", "watashi" or "boku".

SPECULATION: Yasu believed that s/he could become what s/he wanted. Instead, s/he finds out that s/he is "Beatrice". All other options don't really have any meaning for Yasu any more. The door on those futures have been closed and Yasu's fate has been decided.
But "Beatrice" to Yasu is an anagram of things that don't really exist and are impossible. Therefore, I don't think Yasu exists to him/herself any more. Or rather, Yasu has to face him/herself without someone to pretend to be. I think this is where the scene with him screaming comes in.
Yasu wanted things to continue on as normal, and probably would have eventually stabilized, but then Battler throws the final wrench in.

- In any case, whatever happened, the Yasu we meet in the Tea Party probably isn't sane. The only motivation they give is wanting to create an interesting murder mystery. There is nothing about a pony. Nothing about Battler. They obviously don't hate the parents or blame them for any suffering. They're just dead on the inside. Why? Well, we don't know.

>>5978695

This is just purely speculation, but there are a few things that jump out at me.

1. Claire (aka, the core of Yasu) is portrayed as being onstage, like an actress. I think this indicates someone who liked to play roles, as opposed to someone who saw themselves as being other people.

2. I think the reason Battler fucked everything up by coming back when he did wasn't because Yasu wanted to jump his bones.
- Battler coming back was "impossible" to Yasu. That's why those feelings were put aside, they were "impossible" to fulfill.
- If Battler had come back a year earlier, that would have been before Yasu solved the epitaph and had been mentally unbalanced by "impossible things happening".
- If Battler had come back a year later, Yasu would have reached an equilibrium and probably have been married to George as Shannon (female). Or, if the romance had failed due to PEEN, he would have reached equilibrium as Kanon (male).

3. I don't always agree with Chronotrig, but I think he's right about Yasu. We don't know everything there is to know about him/her. In fact, the time Yasu really ressonates the most is at the very end of her flashback. It feels like all the layers are stripped away, and we're left seeing the core of someone.

4. I think Yasu and Leon are similar in one key respect. They are mirrors for others to project upon, except, with Leon it's just his gender. Yasu, on the other hand...
Yasu reacts to other people's expectations and molds herself to them. Shannon is ideal for George. She always knows the right thing to say. Kanon brings out the best in Jessica. But, I think only Battler brought out the Leon in Yasu. The scenes with them talking about mysteries was another scene where I felt like we were looking at Yasu as a complete person.

>>5978702

I just reread the last part of the flashback again. Here are a few things I noticed that slipped past me earlier. They do change a few things, but not much.

References to Battler:
- Yasu says, as Beatrice, that she doesn't want the gold or money. All she wants is for "him" to come back.
- She also says that she wants everything to continue on as it was, because she wants to continue waiting.

Now here's the odd thing. Yasu's layers have definitely been peeled back. This is who s/he really is, and all pretenses are swept aside as she navigates through this uncertain situation. Several times, she mentions that Beatrice was a illusion of hers, meaning she knows that she was playing a part.

But overall, at the very end, Yasu seems confused and bewildered and a little unnerved, but not unhappy. She reiterates more than once that she's happy to have found out this information. She thanks Genji, Nanjo, and Kumasawa.

But the MOST important part: She is okay with Battler NOT coming back. She wants him to, but is also willing to wait and have these peaceful days continue on indefinitely. Heck, earlier in the flashback, she described her feelings for Battler as sort of wistful twinges, but nothing rehabilitating.

So, where does the Yasu we see in the Tea Party come in? Seriously, wtf happened? Anyone have any idea? Am I to assume that this is Beato's last attempt to pretty up a bad situation? Did Yasu explode after learning "everything"?

There is something missing here.

>>5978707
Copy & Paste done. Can we please stop the shitfest about Yasu and be more civil please?

>>5978707
I think the only way to look at it logically is that Claire's confession left some things unsaid.

There are three scenes when Claire is killed that contradict events we were shown earlier.

One is the scene where it looks like Kinzo is instigating the attack on the Italians.

Two is the scene where Moetrice turns Kinzo down, telling him she doesn't feel the same way.

Three is the scene of Yasu freaking out. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this one take place in Kinzo's study too? But the last scene of the flashback sequence is in the room with the gold.

All I know is that I bawwww'd at the ????.

"Is it a scary story, onii-chan?"

>>5978715
Well I think most of us agree with this now which is why it's been so quiet.

>>5978726
I'm expecting loli Ange sitting on the huge game master chair portrait in Ep8.

One thing that bothers me. Why are we still seeing Shannon and Kanon in the Tea Party? I do believe it's the truth of what physically happened, but that part seems strange to me.

>>5978749

Brilliant

>>5978749
id love it

>>5978749
I'm okay with this.

>>5978749

I'd dawwww

>>5978749
This better be what happens in ep 8

>>5978783

I'd be annoyed. Why is a hamburger on a chair? Bern should be in that chair.

>>5978798
Because only masos like you like Bern, Maso,

>>5978801

I'm only maso for Bern.

>>5978807
I'd only want Bern in the GM portrait if the exact image used was something similar to this pic.

Fucking Bern.

>>5978824

Problem?

Bern was the GM, but she doesn't get a portrait. Isn't is sad, Bernkastel?

>>5978849
Bern was never the GM in this game.

>>5978849

Pardon?

>>5978849
All the amazing fanart of her with the sickle make up for it.

I like how Bern is just butthurt over getting her butt kicked in ep5 and ep6.

u mad bern?

>>5978882
I like her better with a spear. Plus Erika already used a Scythe so she's not being very original.

Is there anything indicating Yasu actually doing the killings besides her (I'll just call it "she" for convenience' sake) own words?
I mean, Yasu has been taking the blame on herself as Beatrice all along. The first 2 episodes, that are most likely told by her, are both directed at making Ushiromiyas look heoric and Beatrice slaughtering them without remorse.
I haven't read Ep7 so I'm simply asking for confirmation - is it stated that Yasu really would do it and wasn't just acting yet again?

>>5978900
It's another Higurashi reference, if you think about it.

>>5978900
Erika only used the scythe once at the end of EP 5. The sickle is Bern's weapon used to tear out the guts from Claire's corpse

>>5978911
I'm the anon that wrote the lengthy Yasupology (if you want to call it that) that was C&P'd and--despite my interest and sympathy in her personally--I have to say the way she was in the Tea Party? Yeah, she would have killed them.

She was practically dead already. She really seemed like she had nothing to lose.

>>5978715
Thank you for posting this and disregarding all of the discussion in the last threads. I hope this opens up /jp/ in regards with theories.

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I had actually thought about the possibility of the whole thing being mere playacting, even before EP7. However, I always end up crashing with the Red.

Now, the idea of playing different roles does follow what Featherine said about people growing up into different people to some degree, but ultimately, this is no real change at all, but just playacting.

In addition, this still gives no explanation on how Shannon and Kanon can die. There's the whole explanation about furniture losing the qualification to love, which many people have interpreted as "if George and/or Jessica die, then Shannon and/or Kanon die" yet, in EP3, Shannon and Kanon died in the 1st Twilight. In addition, even if there's no Red to it, Shannon died on EP1's 1st Twilight, and in both situations, neither George nor Jessica had died.

But well, this also goes against the DID theory.

Personally, I still don't know how to piece all things together.

Is there any indication in Ep7 when does Genji comes into the picture at all? Nanjo has been with Kinzo since before Italians' arrival, but what about Genji? Why is he one of the furniture and why is he in Kinzo's debt?

>>5978961
I agree. Thanks, Yasupologist.

>>5978976
I think it would be Yasu killing off their characters. The games are like stories, with a cast. If doesn't matter if two characters are played by more than one person. They can still be separate characters.

The thing that really goes against this is the Tea Party. It's supposed to be reality, but Shannon, Kanon, and Beatrice still exist on the island.

Episode 8:

After getting seasick on the boat ride to Rokkenjima, Battler takes a stroll on the beach to unwind. Oh, did I forget to say loli Ange is there too?

"Onii-chan! Look what I fooound!"

They sit together on the sand, reading the several pages inside a bottle Ange found.

>>5978976
At one point in EP6, someone (Featherinne, I think) explained that when people believe in something, that belief is written into a new fragment. Now we know that fragments = stories = games, and games can have red text stated about them. Maybe some of the earlier red truths applied to sub-fragments generated within each game, instead of the root fragments of the games themselves?

>>5979036
The problem with this is that then the Red Truth becomes unreliable. If we say something like, "It's true, because that's how it is in a world people believe to be true." Then the Red Truth is basically useless.

I know the Red Truth can be used to deceive, but even then, it's always been the truth. If it represents people's beliefs, then it's no longer true.

>>5979073
This is true. The red truth is the so-called "contract" between the writer and reader basically saying that the mystery is solvable. In that way, it cannot be false. The red can always be the truth, or the contract is broken and the reader can no longer solve the mystery.

However, there may be tricks with the red. I have a feeling this has something to do with wordplay.

>The thing that really goes against this is the Tea Party. It's supposed to be reality, but Shannon, Kanon, and Beatrice still exist on the island.
The thing is, Kyrie killed Beatrice under the chapel, and then we're never shown them killing Shannon and Kanon. Could be a trick, could be a hint.

>>5979073
I think it could be used like that easily. But Beato wanted her game to be solvable, so to the extent that red truth applies to sub-fragments, there ought to be proper hints toward that, and we should be able to extract some kind of information from them anyway.

In the same way, a mundane mystery author has all kinds of unfair tools at her disposal. If she really wants to prevent you from solving her story and has no intention of giving you a chance, then she can drown you in red herrings, write a solution that relies on obscure scientific knowledge, and so on. You'd have no chance at all.

Mysteries can be fair play games in spite of all the overpowered weapons at the author's disposal because we can trust that the author won't abuse those tools in an unfair manner.

>A solution relying on a WWII atlas poiting to an old name of a taiwanese railway and kanji wordplay
I mad because I couldn't have gotten it

>>5979161
I know it can be used easily, but then that defeats the purpose of a mystery novel. Things like these would work perfectly as a twist in any novel, just not in detective novels.

>>5979177
That's exactly what I mean, though.

If you take the limitations off of a mystery author's tools, the mystery becomes horribly unfair and it's not a game anymore. It only becomes a game because the author restricts her usage in a way that the reader can figure out the solution.

Sub-fragment red is just another tool like that, which happens to exist in the Umineko universe. If it's used without restriction, you get an unfair mess. But if the witch is careful, it can be used to place fair clues.

I guess what I'm getting at is that saying "sub-fragment red can't exist because then it's useless and unfair" isn't a good argument, because whether it's unfair and useless or not is up to the skill and intentions of the witch.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11816040

What.

>>5979209

cute~

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So instead of DID, you think that Yasu was merely playing parts, adopting personas tailored for the people around her. Has she any sense of self or is she merely an empty shell? People see what they want to see when they look at her, she is everything and yet she is nothing. The one that is also zero.

I think this works, if you also remember that Meta Beatrice is a sociopath with no real understanding or empathy for others. Remember when Evatrice was torturing Rosa and Maria? She honestly admired the magic and imagination showed there, it was a pure smile. Battler's greatest achievement while playing with her is to instill within her empathy. Contrast the way Beato protects Natsuhi even though she is "just" a Piece. Battler taught her that people matter. He made her whole.

Even the way her Gameboard is designed kinda reflects this, the family are merely pieces on a gameboard, figments. The only people allowed to interact with her in a meaningful way is basically Battler, Kumasawa and Genji.

Pic related, it's a sociopath that abuses personal relationships for power, presenting different masks to different people.

>>5979206
I honestly don't see how it can be used to place fair clues.

I mean, we're already dealing with a lot of the author's own subjectivity here, which makes me wonder if this indeed falls as a work of the mystery genre.

>>5979206

Red being based on belief was discounted in game 4. Battler honestly and truly believed he was born from Asumu.

Would one of you kind souls be able to toss me a link to where I can grab episode 7.

>>5979233
Red based on a single person's belief was ruled out, but we got a lot of hints along the lines of "it takes two people to create a world". Battler wanted to say he was born from Asumu, but Beato was already convinced otherwise by some evidence, so no fragment could exist between them and the red collapsed. It's the same reason behind the stalemate rule -- Beato can't say in red that "witches exist" to Battler because he would just disbelieve it no matter what.

>>5979250
It's not a single person beliefs. Quite likely, the only one who knows the truth behind Battler's birth is Rudolph.

>>5979257
And Yasu/Lyon... however she may have found out about it.

>>5979229
Well, one way she could go is to use it to give Battler information about the plotline of the fake death act. He can already use his own observations to find out a lot about the reality of the island, but knowing that plotline would allow him to cross-reference what people were supposed to be doing versus what they were actually doing.

In EP2, Kanon was supposed to be playing dead in Jessica's room, but he wasn't there and Jessica was dead for real. When and why did he leave? Something like that.

>>5979257
Then how about just a rule that you can't say something in red to a person who isn't willing to believe that the statement is true?

>>5979272

Wow, Battler must have had low self confidence back then.

So incompetent.

Then how can you convince someone in Red if it requires the belief of others?

"In the forest of Rokkenjima, a hidden mansion called Kuwadorian exists"

Battler initially disbelieved that scene.

>>5979293
He disbelieved the bit about Beato-2 being a homunculus created by Kinzo and possessed by the witch, but I don't think he was particularly against the idea of the hidden mansion itself. Also, he'd just seen Beato storm off in a huff for not believing her, so that could have made him more receptive.

>>5979309
IIRC, anyway. It's been a while since I read EP3.

Natsuhi oba-san is pure and faithful! I won't permit this vulgar tale you're all so fond of!!

Everyone except Battler believed otherwise.

Then I guess we're straying from the point.
Beatrice said the Red was the truth, and contract of trust between the author and the player.

Please, stop trying to bend it to fit your own purposes.

Who hopes EP8 DOESN'T introduce new characters?

>>5979340
not gonna happen. We still haven't even see how Yasu looks like, if Shannon is supposed to look more like Beatrice but still less than her to avoid being recognized by the portrait, I don't see the current sprite working.

>>5979345

I'm talking about Completely new charcaters introduced. Not new sprites which we will have no doubt.

So, the main question stays: did Yasu and servants/Nanjo kill anyone at all or not?

Call me crazy but I think Yasu&co didn't kill anyone. They were just performing stakings/mutilations/circledrawing/corpsemoving to make the real culprit nervous and tried to understand who it was by monitoring their reaction.

>>5979350
Within the fictional universes put forth by Yasu? Yes, she killed people.
Within the real world on Rokkenjima? No, she didn't kill anyone.

>>5979353

She didn't have the chance to. Sucks to be her/him

>>5979340

I kinda hope we get a Meta version of the killer/killer instinct of the parents. Let's just call it the Black Witch.

I still want my "TURNING THE CHESSBOARD AROUND 8x COMBO" logic battles damnit.

>>5979357
A meta version of Kyrie that is an embodiment of her hate, envy and all round batshit insanity? I never tought of that. Actually this would be kind of awesome!

>>5979363
she's not insane, just cold and calculating to a fault. People saying she's batshit insane didn't get the whole point of the Tea Party

>>5978707

When did her solving the Epitaph happen? I think we can speculate on what happened on the intervening years.

Who actually liked the idea of Jessica being a lesbian?

>>5979379
3 years before the Incident, Genji called Shannon and Kanon, showed them the epitaph and said the hometown is Taiwan, then we see Shannon in a library talking with suit Beatrice (she had already gotten the blonde hair, blue eyes Battler likes and thus left Mint version behind), epitaph solved, they make her put on the black dress, Kinzo dies, she says she's fine as it is and everyone must do as Krauss says.

>>5979379
It's sort of a logic puzzle.

The epitaph is put up Kinzo.
We know that:
- Maria and Yasu discuss it.
- The family finds out about it roughly the same time, it seems?

This means it was put up around the time of the family conference in 1984, most likely. Perhaps slightly before. Especially since Yasu mentions it's been four years since Battler made the promise. That would make it October.

The epitaph is solved by November 29th, by Yasu. This is also the date of Kinzo's death.

Worth noting. Shannon and Kanon have no interest in the epitaph. Shannon's relationship with George is stated to be progressing smoothly.

One of my problems lies with someone sending... let's call them 'money letters' to servants' families. Why did so? It happens before start of the games, so It should happen in every game, so:

a) Yasu felt sorry for people she was going to kill and wanted to at least compensate their families.
b) She simply was generous and wanted to make servants' families a little bit happier without revealing the sender's identity (and thus, using one of the mystery genre's letter delivery tricks).
c) It never happened, Super-Hanyuu lied in her EP3 fanfiction.
d+) ???

>>5979398

Perhaps while participating in the Kinzo cover up, she saw that the Ushiromiyas are mostly horrible horrible people? Special focus on Maria since she knows how Rosa abuses her. Yasu's Maria's friend right? The Alliance was probably made during this time too.

George and Jessica are both trying to hit on Yasu right? Perhaps that made Yasu/Beatrice resent them since they don't really accept her as who she is.

Gohda's a chump so he's negligible I think.

Nanjo she probably saw taking huge amounts of bribes to insult his good friend Kinzo's name and corpse.

I lack a reason for Yasu to kill Genji (father) Kumasawa (mother) though.

>>5978691
Awesome!
>>5978686
Just read your post in the last thread, and yeah, I finished my stream yesterday.

Apparently the Japanese solved the epitaph
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9080754
Is there anyone willing to translate it? D:

>So, where does the Yasu we see in the Tea Party come in? Seriously, wtf happened? Anyone have any idea? Am I to assume that this is Beato's last attempt to pretty up a bad situation? Did Yasu explode after learning "everything"?

Thinking back, just because Will can make people talk doesn't mean he can get objective facts out of them. The flashbacks are probably heavily biased.
Yasu flashback is full of imaginary friends, and we know from Maria how that works in reality.
Kinzo's doesn't mention how he was the one that instigated the whole Japanese-Italian confrontation, and how he -raped- Kuwadorian Beatrice.
No mention of the whole body ruined thing has been made.
It's obvious that we shouldn't take the Wright interrogation as the pure truth, or at least a complete one.

>>5979411
I don't think Yasu liked the desecration of Kinzo's corpse by Natsuhi and Krauss, and they just went along. If you add to that the part when he refused to be the head...
You ahve a mix of horrible guilt, frustration and hate.

>>5979419
Eh?

The epitaph was solved in Episode 7, with clear explanation, what more do you want?

>>5979411
The Alliance was in place even during two years ago. Interestingly, when Will tries to ask Maria about how it dissolved while investigating, she completely shuts him down and leaves.

You might be on to something here, anon.

>>5979406

I lean towards A. The servants are collateral damage, and I suppose orphaning Ange is kinda a dick move.

She could've just given out money and solved everyone's problems, but I get the feeling she doesn't like the parents very much.

>>5979411
>Perhaps while participating in the Kinzo cover up, she saw that the Ushiromiyas are mostly horrible horrible people? Special focus on Maria since she knows how Rosa abuses her. Yasu's Maria's friend right? The Alliance was probably made during this time too.
I was thinking about this too. And I wondered, Isn't it weird how every single one of the families seems to have shady people they're indebted with?
We know Yasu got a bit of the gold exchanged into "pocket" money, could have used that clout to ruin all four families and make them desperate for the gold, making sure they'd go along with her game?

>>5979431
She wanted Krauss to be acting-head, even if Genji considered her the true head. She didn't want to anger Natsuhi either, but other than that, didn't seem to think about the adults one way or the other.

I wonder how Ryu will make us pity Yasu. So far she seems like a bitch. Even Maria who is just 9 went throgh a lot more.

>>5979433
Possibly, but I think that's reading in a bit too much. I don't think the adults really had much to do with her motivation. I also don't think she has the know-how to ruin their individual businesses.

>>5979443
why is everyone bent on pitying her? Is pitying her the one way you can accept what she did?

I still fail to see Yasu's motive to kill everyone. But 'because of your sin, people die'. 'Sin' is established as that infamous unfulfilled prideful promise by now.

Unless what can't possibly pass as a 'motive' for me can easily pass for R07...

>>5979429

It dissolved?

I wonder. What would cause Maria to go against Beatrice? The prospect of killing probably isn't it, since they revive in the Golden Land.

Sakutarou again? Beatrice can't revive/repair him.

>>5979455
Didnt the alliance dissolve back in Ep4? I cant remenber the details though, its been a while..

>>5979455
I think Will was maybe talking about the fight between Ange and Maria?

>>5979428

Mainly the part before "quadrillion" - that is, the Taiwan bit

>>5979461
Hmm, that's interesting, isn't it?

By all rights, Ange should know who Beatrice is, if she was part of the Alliance, since we know Yasu and Maria were actually playing together. But by the time Ange and Maria fight, it seems like Yasu is removed from the equation?

>Please kill me quickly.

>Try and stop me

>If you don't come back

>I'd rather not have been born

>Why am I unable to love anyone?

>Please, no matter what the result is, kill
>in my legend

>If you don't,

>You will die.

Remember these from episode 4, guys?

I don't understand why people want to disprove DID so much.

If she doesn't have DID, Yasu is pretty much one of the most hateable drama-whore ever.

>>5979478
Daww.

Also, "My golden witch", must have made her happy, sure, we saw that, but now we know the meaning.

>>5979479
sure is didn't read the thread in here

>>5979467

People probably used this reasoning. Stolen from animesuki.

It's Ep3 and the siblings are finally actually trying to solve the epitaph.

* Siblings know the 'beloved hometown', but won't say the name aloud. George and Maria did the same thing with 'quadrillion' in Ep2, giving unsubtle hints instead, so I suspect it is important.
* Eva went there as a vacation, so it is a vacation or tourism spot, or somewhere close to one.
* The town completely changed because of being caught up in the war. Having just assembled the timeline, where the issue did come up, I noticed that there are remarkably few places in Japan or territories owned by Japan prior to Kinzo's birth actually caught up in the war, that is, heavily carpet bombed or suffering long term land battles. For most of the war the Allies had no range to actually bomb the mainland or anything beyond the isolated islands, as IJN dominated the sea. The actual strategic raids only commenced very late in the war.
* According to Rudolf, it had a remarkable revival and was rebuilt. Which means that now, it should be quite populated.
* Kyrie thinks the river is a metaphor. But if it is, it's a metaphor for something that's flowing or moving. Like a road.


Let's list the places that were actually strategic bombing targets or land battle areas in the Pacific campaign on Japan mainland or Japan-controlled islands, discounting places which are not major population centers in 1986, weren't hit hard enough to call it a complete rebuilding, and places which are not vacation or tourism spots for the Japanese:

* Raid on Taipei in May 1943. With tens of thousands people displaced, I expect major rebuilding was required. Definitely a tourism spot for the Japanese.
* Battle of Okinawa in April-June 1945. Numerous casualties, atrocities, 90% of the buildings on the island completely destroyed, proverbial vacation and internal tourism spot.

>>5979493

Sorry, meant to reply to >>5979463

>>5979479
Why? Because she tried to rid the world of a whole nest of psychotic assholes? The world is better off.

>>5979486
I did.
There is no viable reason someone sane could have to kill 15 people.

And there is nothing missing about her motives, that's why Will could kill Clair.

You people seem to think Yasu has a good unexplained reason to kill 15 people who doesn't have anything to do with money or hatred.
Protip: it doesn't exist.

>>5979500

haha no. What she did what try to murder off people unrelated to her problem and issues. Doesn't matter what type of people you think the Ushiromiya are and its not like she cares whether their saints or devil incarnations.

>>5979500
She planned to kill a 9 years old.

>>5979493
Alright, thanks for the info

>>5979509
Will didn't touch on what happened to her in the years after solving the epitaph. He understood her, but he chose not to go there.

>>5979509
She doesn't kill out of revenge though, and everything from Maria's beatings to incest would fall into that. Will got a lot of things that weren't explained, just because he knows the truth doesn't mean we were shown it.

Loli Ange used to go to the island in the yearly conference, right? She used to play with Maria she she probably also played with Yasu, weird that she doesnt remenber.

In Ep 4 Ange uses/befriends the stakes. She also met the other -on servants? She was particulary friendly with Mammon, the Greed. Also ANGE-Beatrice.

In the end of Ep4 she destroys the Golden Land of Maria and Beatrice.

And a ton of other details. These magical scenes everyone complains are boring and useless are probably filled with little clues.

>>5979513
Who was just as batshit as the rest of the family.

These threads are hilarious. "Ohhh, godddd, Yasu is such an evil bitch for plotting to kill but not actually carrying it out. Those poor Ushiromiya angels. How could they live knowing that someone at one point had written a story about killing them?" Meanwhile Kyrie is beating Jessica's face in.

>>5979523
EP7 makes it clear that "two are needed to form a universe". I think Yasu left the Alliance, so Maria tried to bring Ange in to continue her and Yasu's game?

>>5979523

The Ange we see is fictional and doesn't have the memories of the real deal. Tohya's research can only go so far.

Could it be the fall from the cliff left her lifespan shortened?
Nanjo is in the flashback, and it would explain the rage because she wouldn't have been able to wait for Battler anymore.

>>5979522
>>5979520
Because there was no reason to do so, because what happened during these 2 years was easily imaginable.

Not because the big motive was in there and Will didn't want to explain.
The motive was shown.
And Yasu doesn't kill for revenge is a given, there is no one to get revenge for the incest considering Kinzo died and Maria loves Rosa and doesn't want to get revenge at all.
What she wants is to be loved, same as Yasu, that's why she believes so much in the golden land.


People who try to believe in an unexplained reason to explain Yasu's plan are honestly completely stupid, Beatrice completely died, her heart was completely shown.
That means her motives as well, fuck you leave the most important piece of info to a blank simply because you don't like the most obvious answer.

So... uh... where does the name Yasu come from?
Why doesn't she have an "on" name like the rest?

>>5979524
Of course she is fucking evil if she planned to kill them in great detail, even Kyrie and Rudolf have more understandable circumstances than her under the law.

Or what? We should pity her because she didn't manage to carry out her plan being the failure she is?

Oh poor girl... err boy... thing.

>>5979537
Yes, and that's sure why Bern managed to drag out extremely important flashbacks we hadn't seen from Claire's guts even after Will killing her, right? Will's characterization shows him consistently as a guy who will choose to back off from prying into what isn't strictly necessary for the task at hand.

>>5979537
>her heart was completely shown.
except two sentences, shown out of context, completely change what we're shown up until that point?
>>5979541
Servants use nicknames between them, "on" names are seen as stiff and not really used. one of the stakes is called Gashiri-san or something in the same way he's Yasuda or Yasu.
Which is why I said in a previous thread she could have been "Shannon" all along. The Shannon imaginary friend she sees is an ideal, how she would be the perfect maid.

>>5979543
>Bawww, someone imagined killing someone.

>>5979548
The flashbacks was what stayed at the bottom of Beatrice's heart, what she didn't want other to see, and we saw it because Bern dragged it out.

The "Why" has been completely solved in episode 7, you guys are so fucking delusional it hurts.

>>5979537

What's her motive again?

>>5979554
So, who gave her the Yasuda surname?
She said, ever since she has memory, she's had no parents or memories about them, and then, one day, she got the Yasuda surname, and I believe Yasu was derived from that? Am I wrong?

>>5979563
>The flashbacks was what stayed at the bottom of Beatrice's heart, what she didn't want other to see, and we saw it because Bern dragged it out.

bbbbut you said we obviously understood everything about beatrice's heart from will killing her! now there's stuff will didn't bring up that she didn't want others to see? MAKE UP YOUR MIND MAN

>>5979560
BAWWWWW SOMEONE PREPARED A BOMB, REWARD FOR HER ACCOMPLICES, A PLAN TO KILL 15 PEOPLE AND GUNS.
OH WAIT THE PARENTS MANAGED TO OUTSMART HER, AH THAT MEAN SHE IS AN INNOCENT LITTLE THING NOW, AWESOME I LOVE YASU SUCH A PURE GIRL

>>5979572
uu mad?

>>5979566
I can't remember in detail since I didn't really pay attention, but it was probably a default surname Genji used for her.

This whole Yasu debate is becoming ridiculous. There aren't just the "EVIL DRAMAWHORE" or "POOR PITIABLE VICTIM" positions, you know?
this is shkanon all over again, will people ever learn how to properly discuss things?

>>5979571
We understood everything about Beatrice.
Bern dragged out what created the illusion to dissolve it completely, that's all.

Beatrice can only die if someone understand "who", "how" and "why", Will solved them completely.

>>5979580
He sure did. And he sure didn't tell us shit about the extremely important bits Bern ripped out later when he did, either.

>>5979580

So Will basically cockblocked Battler then?

And stole his waifu to boot.

>>5979580
Again, Will getting the motive doesn't mean we were already completely shown it.
I mean come on, both Battler and Will insist how the motive is the most important and difficult thing to get, and you'r thinking EP8 won't be about that?
We were showing snippets of it, probably, but there's still holes to fill.
And don't start with the whole "Ruikishi said 1+1 hurr", giving additional info to make sense and stating it plainly are two different things.

>>5979580
Look, you can bluff all you want, but Yasu was incredibly vague about what motivated her at the end. The duel between furniture was brought up, but she mentioned it had been decided. She then talks about how 1986 was specifically cruel in some sense, but doesn't tell us what.

It's really great that you've solved everything almighty anon, so why don't you go back to sleep for another century or so until Bern finds you more to eat while the rest of us mere mortals discuss the things we didn't quite catch?

>>5979578
I never said she was really a drama whore.
Just that people are making her an evil drama whore by denying the DID (which is fucking obvious in episode 7, I can't believe people are really doing it).

Someone sane who kill 15 people in cold blood, or plan to, is a monster no matter how you paint it.
That's all.
And what really annoy me is that people just want to leave the motive, that give a really understandable reason for Yasu to kill all these people of course, to an unexplained blank, it's a motive that has never been hinted, foreshadowed and shit.
AWESOME

>>5979595
Actually, yeah. Claire brings up, hilariously, that Will isn't the person she originally wanted but Battler was basically too incompetent.

>>5979594
Will solved the "why" using everything he was shown and told.

He saw and heard the same thing we did.

Think of even a little thing that could explain that Yasu wanted to kill all these people then.

>>5979611
>Someone sane who kill 15 people in cold blood, or plan to, is a monster no matter how you paint it.
>That's all.

sure is ignoring THE HEART in here

>>5979611
So what is this motive you keep talking about, Featherinne? Keep it up and you won't be able to find readers to entertain you.

Anyways, if you can't even begin to theorize about a reason that would explain why sane Yasu would kill 15 people, then I don't even know why you try to argue.

>>5979614

God fucking damnit Battler, what the fuck.

You already knew the truth you jackass, why did you hold back?

This is like NTR except Will is fucking awesome and deserves it.

>>5979580

What's her motive again?

>>5979631
Yes, I know I feel better about the culprit being a magical DID meido that can switch personalities at will. But just as long as she's clinically insane. No need to explain what drove her insane or anything. She's just craaaazy whoooo.

>>5979614
Which is why this made me lol.

>>5979524
>Who was just as batshit as the rest of the family.

Batshit insane? you mean fucking delusional and abused. Since when did Maria ever had any ill intent towards anyone in her family for no good reason ( No good reason cause she has every reason to hate Rosa if she does)

Also stop trying to use the fact that "all" the ushiromiya members are "batshit" as a justification for what she was going to do. She doesn't give a shit if their angels or not. She's not a dark hero trying to rid the world from "evil" people she wanted to kill 15 people for her selfish reasons no more. The only reason she didn't go through with her plan is because the adults were smart enough to solve the epithaph.

>>5979627
What the fuck does Featherine has to do with it?

Motive of Yasu is so fucking simple it hurts.
She has DID.
Each personality become more powerful when they love and are loved.
Shannon become a more and more prominent personality and begin to "rebel" in some way as shown in episode 7

Yasu become weaker and weaker due to this, but she finally learn that Battler will come back.
Then the flashback of episode 2 happens. That's why Beatrice was so weak, Shannon and Kanon had gotten too strong.

Knowing that Shannon's relationship with George is nearing its climax, and that she would lose Battler forever if she let Shannon marries George, Yasu who believe in the golden land decide to start a plan.

But Yasu also loves Shannon and Kanon, that's why she decides to leave them a chance to carry out their love, that's the love duel.
Maria who also believe in the golden land help her out since she wants to go to the golden land where her mother will always love her.

Here is a motive made with things shown in episode 7.


If Battler had come back one year earlier, Yasu could have come out and seduced him, Shannon and George's relationship wasn't that strong yet.
If Battler had come one year later, George and Shannon would have married, Yasu probably would have completely disappeared, and such no murder.

>>5979641
It's obvious what's going on here, but can someone translate it for the heck of it?

Guys, I still dont get it. WHY was Yasu planning on killing everyone if they didnt solve the epitaph? And why did Yasu want the to solve it? A fucking whim?

>>5979643
Hey, bro. I wasn't serious or anything. Yeah, Yasu is sort of fucked in the head. I still like her, though.

>>5979614
>>5979632
>>5979641
Fuck it, Battler is officially the worst character in Umineko.

>>5979650
There are a couple explanations the text gives.

The one at the end of the game says that she was planning on giving her fate up to the roulette and abide by whatever it said.

The one in the Tea Party has her telling the parents she thought it would be interesting, like a murder mystery plot.

As you can see, both are kind of vague as to how she got to that mindset.

>>5979650
Magic can only work when there is a risk.
In her head if she didn't have a contest with them she could never made her magic works.

Also she want to go to the golden land where furniture can become human (which mean she will finally get a pussy and Shannon/Kanon will get their own bodies) and lovers who are separated are reunited (she will finally be able to fuck Battler)

>>5979654

There's incompetent moe and then there's just plain incompetent.

You don't deserve your waifu Battler.

>>5979666
Thank god she died then

>>5979654
I think is a bit too soon to say that, he put Beatrice to sleep in EP6.

>>5979661
And how did she get to that point? The person we see in the flashbacks is obviously emotionally functional, even if you do include DID.

>>5979669
So? That doesn't changed what Claire said.
Battler was too late. Fuck, he's always been.

>>5979674
She is desperate about the fact that she can't be loved (due to her little problem).
And also that she will marry George soon if things continue the way they do.
Yasu loves Shannon, she doesn't want to destroy her relationship with George like this, but she also loves Battler.
That's why she decided to leave everything to the roulette leaving some chance to Shannon and Kanon.
If her plan works, she wins and everyone go to the golden land.

"Oh yes, its solvable with Episodes 1 to 4."

You are full of shit Ryu. I will never again believe anything you say.

>>5979641

Battler was literally so incompetent that he sent his waifu to a coma instead of killing her.

He must be terrible in bed. That's like mistakenly causing your partner to have an epileptic seizure.

>>5979687
Meh. I feel very trolled by him.
>Chapel was never locked

;_;

>>5979687
Well, technically speaking it was.
You just had to assume DID, a fuckton of personaities, personalities that can be created and killed at whim... and well, things like that.

>>5979688

instead of an orgasm.

>>5979690
Oh, come on. That one was rather obvious.
I'm not the most intelligent person around, and I was able to figure that one out.

>>5979687
I still have to see the direct quote on that beside "lol it's the question arcs". If we go by narration, the point where a character goes "i got it" as a clue to the reader it's ep5, not 4

>>5979690

In EP2?

That was thrown around a couple of times already.

>>5979698
>>5979700
I agree it wasn't that much of a stretch, but I still felt trolled a little.

On a different note, though, have the music boxed been uploaded yet?

>>5979690
It doesn't say exactly that, just the the lock was an illusion. Could mean a lot of things.
I still don't get why people think closed rooms are solved just because Will gives hints about them.

>>5979703
Because they are?
The closed rooms of Umineko weren't that difficult either.

When you accept that Shannon is Kanon is Beatrice, you can solve them all easily.

>>5979703
Because people thinks that Will is Jesus.

>>5979712
>BAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWW WILL DID WHAT BATTLER COULDN'T, HE EVEN GOT THE REAL BEATRICE

People seem to be misunderstanding what DID really is.

DID is nothing more than a game of pretend that became so important for the person that it became part of their subconscious.
It's exactly what was shown in episode 7.

>>5979717
And now he's cat food.

Umineko in a nutshell.

There's like, this futa. She was created because of incest. She gets thrown off a cliff and breaks her penis. She went to an orphanage and didn't make any friends because she bullied everyone. She gets adopted back and works at the same place of the woman who broke her penis, said woman causes her to not make any friends. Futa plays a gigantic game of pretend and reads a fuck ton of mystery novels. She meets a twelve year old who also likes mystery novels, and he promises to take her home on a white horse, being twelve he doesn't actually do this, futa goes insane and plans on killing 16 people.
But, it's like ok, because the futa thinks somehow that murder will lead to the golden land. But not actually, when we last see the futa all she wants to do is create a murder mystery.

There's also an alternate universe fabulous counterpart to the futa, Richter Belmont, Batman, and a delicious hamburger.

>>5979725
He served his purpose well.

>>5979717
>BAAAAAAAAW SOMEONE DOESN'T THINK THAT WILL IS GODLY!!!!!!!

>>5979730
Well, maybe Battler will resurrect him in EP8.

And then they fuse and the japanese theory will be revealed as true!

It's obvious who Will is.

He's anime Battler.

>>5979737

But Anime Battler was an angry asshole. Are you saying Will is one>

>>5979727
It really is sad, but the two characters who are most to blame for the murders besides Yasu are Kinzo and Natsuhi.

>>5979731
>BAAAAAAAAW SOMEONE DOESN'T THINK THAT WILL ISN'T GODLY!!!!!!!

Back off fag!

>>5979727
futa is not really confirmed. Sure it springs to mind with the whole gender confusion, but that's not the onlt possible theory.
As someone was saying, her body being on th everge of dying (meaning she can't wait for Battler anymore nor share a life of love with him) is just as plausible.
Gender confusion basis is the same that let's them show us fantasy scenes, it doesn't actually mean there's actual gender confusion.

>>5979742
Anime Battler was competent, and he didn't care about THE HEART.

Just like Will was at the beginning.

>>5979742
Well, Will got the angry asshole part, but with THE HEART and tsuntsun added.

>>5979749
There is absolutely no hint of Yasu's body being on the verge of dying.
Please use things that are presented in the game to make your theory.
Why Yasu couldn't wait for Battler has a far simpler explanation and it has to do with the fat individual.

>>5979752
Jerkass Anime Battler couldn't return to Ange for some reason, so he went and formed the SSVD.
Eventually he grew to care about THE HEART.

>>5979755
>Why Yasu couldn't wait for Battler has a far simpler explanation and it has to do with the fat individual.

Haters gonna hate

This comic is quite disturbing, given episode 7's tea party.

>>5979759
Then EP8 will be about them fusing and creating a Super Battler.

Best plot ever.

I will love EP8, because fags will get FUCKING TOLD.

I don't know what fags, but it will happen and it will be hilarious.

Yeah, Final Yasu is quite the disturbing little bugger.
Basically just MURDER MYSTERY MURDER MYSTERY MURDER MYSTERY.

But I'd be a bit hesitant on saying it's all as episode 7 presented it. We have a two year gap between Yasu's story and ROKKENJIMA SHOOTOUT GALLARY.

To be fair to Battler, he was coming from the standpoint of a human whereas Will was a pre-established super fantasy detective. Battler didn't do badly for what he had.

>>5979786
She just used it as an excuse, she didn't want to tell the whole wonderland story to the parents.

>>5979780
Well, anti-shkanontricefags just got told in ep7. And where's the rage? I don't see it.

>>5979793
Meh. I can tell you this much. I won't buy Yasu getting a good end insofar as a good end that involves Shannon, Kanon, and Beatrice all ending up with their respective love interests. This episode made me realize precisely how fake each of the personas was.

>>5979786
>>5979793
Well either that or she has the crappiest motive for a villain ever.

>>5979797

So wait. Will BernxWill be then new pairing for Bern? where does that leave LambdaXBern then? oh dear..

>>5979801
There's going to be a bit more to this.

There's always a villain behind the crazy person, you see.

>>5979807
Yasu was considered the culprit so no there is no one behind her, it would have been revealed in episode 7.

R07 said that the great majority of the mysteries were solved in episode 6 and 7, and they were.
Umineko isn't even about Beatrice anymore

Spoilers for EP8:

This is how Battler will defeat bern!

>>5979812
Thank goodness for that. I find it very hard to root for murderers, even more so when they intend to kill quite a few innocent people. But I hope episode 8 isn't just a fake good end so Ange doesn't off herself.

So, erm, what did Battler mean at the end of ???

He'd make the last game to show Ange what really happened?

Doesn't that mean he'd be the GM again?

>>5979818
>But I hope episode 8 isn't just a fake good end so Ange doesn't off herself.

Seconding this. It would feel cheap to just show some fiction ending to make Ange happy. I want Battler to really show what happened (and he will)

>>5979821

Bern will be the GM for EP8. expect lack of love on her gameboard

>>5979821
We don't know. Bern is the GM, Battler will probably crash her game and show the story that is up to Ange to decide.

>>5979828
To be honest, I could give a damn about love.

16 people DID die. The fuck you expect, hilarious accidents being the cause?

>>5979841
Kyrie: Jessica oh my god you have a black widow on your face!

Jessica: GET IT OFF GET IT OFF GET IT OFF

Kyrie: SMACK SMACK SMACK SMACK SMACK SMACK

>>5979852
Genius

>>5979852
Kyrie: Eva, that's a really cool gun, can I see it?

Eva: Sure, just be careful about it, the trigger is a bit slipper-
BANG!
OH GOD OH GOD OH SHIT FUCK MAN

>>5979852

Someone draw this! this is hilarious!

Rudolf: Hey, Eva, what's up? I like the Batman outfit, it's really you.

Eva: Yeah, well, you know me. I just LOVE Adam West, he's so funny. Bat Shark Repellent and all, how zany can you get?

Rudolf: Oh, that's a replicate Batgun, can you shoot it?

Eva: Sure, but I haven't gotten used to it yet, one sec, let my just...

"BANG"

GOD DAMN IT THAT'S THE SECOND TIME TODAY!

>>5979852
Now imagine how she would be pleased to do it wrong.

Kyrie: What's wrong, Maria?

Maria: Uuu, I can't butter my toast, uuu!

Kyrie: Oh, there's the problem. The butter is too thick. You need to use a sharper knife, like thi- "slip" Uh oh. Ok, calm down Kyrie, calm down. It's not so bad, it's only a gallon of blood streaming from a young child's neck.....

>>5979852
>>5979857
>>5979865
>>5979873

See? all perfectly good explanaitions for the killings :)

Things to note.

In the last real world duel of the tea party, Eva vs Kyrie, Kyrie tries getting Eva to shoot her in various ways.

First is basically saying verb batim what the Anti-Evafags have said about Eva, that Eva's killings were intentional and even if not that she's no better than Kyrie.

Then Kyrie starts talking shit about children, and how she, Kyrie is a monster.

Even after putting down Ange does Eva not shoot, only when Kyrie points her gun at Eva.

Kyrie points her gun, that we know to be useless, at Eva.

What does this mean?

HI… I’M USHIROMIYA KINZO – FOUNDER AND HEAD OF THE USHIROMIYA FAMILY. BEATRICE.. I WOULD LIKE TO FUCK YOU NICE AND DEEP IN THE KUWADORIAN – YOUR GOLDEN BUTTERFLIES CLENCHING HALF OF MY DESIRE AT THE BASE WHILE THE OTHER HALF SLOWLY PRAISES YOUR NAME ON HIGH. YOU WILL BE THE REINCARNATION OF YOUR MOTHER WITH GOLDEN HAIR WHILE RECITING THE EPITAPH OF THE GOLDEN WITHC. WHEN YOU GET TO THE PART ABOUT GOUGING, I WILL ROLL MY MAGIC ROULETTE AND BLOW A LOAD SO HUGE YOU’LL DROP YOUR YET UNBORN BABY DOWN A CLIFF. I GUARANTEE IT.

>>5979893
Rudolf died, she has no reason to live anymore.
Kyrie is yandere for Rudolf, she isn't greedy per se.
She just know that money is the only way to save Rudolf.

>>5979893
I very much doubt it would mean much. Kyrie perhaps felt a bit repentant after hearing Eva give her a speech about THE HEART, and then grew a conscience, and let Eva kill her.

Note well that Kyrie appears to smile when Eva tells her that Ange will hear that Kyrie was concerned about Ange till the last.

>>5979900
Yeah, unless Maria, Jessica, and George were the culprits, I severely doubt there's much more to Kyrie.

She's pretty damn evil.

>>5979894
oh my god

This might be crazy, and I know it might conflict with a lot of things, but...

Rosa "killing" Beatrice2 and Yasu falling down happen pretty much around the same time..
We know Kinzo gave Natsuhi a child, is it ever said if it was an infant?
Will asks Rosa to confirm Beatrice2's age, and she says she's not sure, but she looked quite young.
Could Yasu be actually Beatrice2, developing personality disorders after being raped and dropped off a cliff? Natsuhi might be covering for Rosa with the whole servant thing.

>>5979894
My life is now complete.
Thank you.

>>5979907
Through the magic of "Ryukushi flashbacks" no one can truly be seen as evil!

Turns out that Kyrie was actually a child soldier when she was young.

Any foreshadowing to this? Not really, but with the power of RYUKUSHI FLASHBACKS, anything and anyone can be justified!

>>5979914
Rosa has an odd relationship when it comes to Beato.
I've always thought that she was Beato 2.0 myself, to be honest.

What with her LOL INCEST THIS IS TRUE TO MY OWN HEART XD

>>5979907
It's hard to say. I'm sorry, but I'm not swallowing Krauss' and Kyrie's death as accidents.

>>5979914
No, because "Yasu" is 19 years old at 1986.

>>5979923
How're ya doing, Kyrie?

Let's face facts here, you think Eva is a ruthless killer, why leave Jessica alive? Why leave all the other people in that room alive? If Eva and Hideyoshi wanted to make a powerplay, they could have and would have just killed everyone in that room.

The fact that they didn't shows you it was an accident.

Don't disregard THE HEART.

>>5979683
>If her plan works, she wins and everyone go to the golden land.
And let's say that no one killed one another in the Tea Party. Then what would have happened, since she "lost"?

>>5979900
>Note well that Kyrie appears to smile when Eva tells her that Ange will hear that Kyrie was concerned about Ange till the last.

Possible hint that Kyrie was actually lying when she talked shit on Ange?

My favorite part of the episode is when Eva appears out of the lightening strike.

I remember some guy in the stream saw it coming so EXACTLY as it happened he wrote in all caps I AM THE NIGHT.

That being said, I'm sure episode 7 NEVER HAPPENED according to episode 8.

>>5979937
I can swallow that Eva killed Natsuhi on an accident, since what she did was quite idiotic, but then Hideyoshi killed Krauss? Am I supposed to be there were two accidents just like that? On the couple that's the head of the Ushiromiya family to boot?

Oh yes, it was all accidents!
I'm sorry for not thinking it as such, I'm a heartless fuck!

>>5979953
More than likely, but that knowledge wouldn't be enough to make Ange happy.

OH MY MOMMY LOVED ME TOO BAD SHE'S A RUTHLESS MURDERER "burger'd"

>>5979960
Well, it really is up to you on that one, I'm just pointing out that the mindset that Eva and Hideyoshi are ruthless killers makes no sense given that everyone else in the room survives.

>>5979953
why would she though?
It is suspicious, since it's shown she's quite proficient with guns and not killing Eva wouldn't make much sense even with a defective gun. What does she get out of killing everyone but Eva and making it so that she cares about Ange though?

There's also the fact that Kyrie was shown as cold and calculating throughout the thing, while Eva was the one who got the crazyface.jpg sprite before things escalated.

>>5979969
To be honest, in that scene Eva had the gun pointed at Kyrie the whole time. As good as a gunslinger Kyrie may be, you can't make up for that advantage.

Kyrie and Rudolf were both caught off guard because they assumed that bullets could actually kill Eva.1

>>5979566
>>5979554
I am pretty sure that her name is Ushiromiya Maria, that is, Manon.

Which is one of the few good things I found in E7, together with Will.

>>5979973
She got Satoko sexeyes.

Besides, the way Eva flips out and begs her siblings to help cover up the deaths shows you it's an accident.

The way the episode starts out you really do pity her. Then she starts going all vigilante, and it is quite awesome.

>>5979978
Her real name is Leon, not Maria

Guys, guys, I'm sure Rokkenjima didn't actually happen that way.

Battler's story will have nearly all of them be alive on a boat or something, and Ange will get a good end.

>>5979980
>Besides, the way Eva flips out and begs her siblings to help cover up the deaths shows you it's an accident.
The pulling of the trigger itself was probably an accident, but as Kyrie said, pretty much everyone was thinking about gunning the others down at that point. Subconscious, and all that.
She didn't kill Natsuhi "willingly", but she's not that innocent either.

>>5979998
That would be fucking retarded and make everything we saw pointless.

>>5979998
Wouldn't be consistent with only Eva (possibly Battler?) surviving, and that's not in the catbox, that's a certain outcome.

>>5980012
Yes, Kyrie was delivering the standard "Not So Different" speech, but the fact that her speech hurts Eva shows that Eva is more or less a good guy.

Were Eva to say "I don't give a fuck, that's not true!" that'd be the tip-off that Eva is a bitch.

The Kyrie vs Eva confrontation ties in pretty well with Will's THE HEART idea.

On paper, Kyrie and Eva both had killed multiple people at that point. But when we look at the intentions and the empathy we see that there is a clear difference between the two.

>>5979969
>What does she get out of killing everyone but Eva and making it so that she cares about Ange though?

She probably wanted Eva dead although failed to kill her. Kyrie probably also realised the situation she was in.

Her husband who she heavily loves and is obssesed with is dead. Whats the point in bothering with the money scheme then?
She realises also that her chances of living would be slim.
She also realises that If Eva survives she'll most likely be Ange's guardian therefore there's the possibility of Eva holding resentment at Ange for her parents murdering her husband and son.
Therefore what does Kyrie do? She decides to lie and talk shit about about Ange in order to invoke symphaty from Eva that will want to make Eva want to protect Ange.

>Her husband who she heavily loves and is obssesed with is dead. Whats the point in bothering with the money scheme then?
>She realises also that her chances of living would be slim.
Not really. She talks about travelling around and possibly falling in love again. They were dueling and Kyrie was the one with gun training. I don't think she expected to die.
>She also realises that If Eva survives she'll most likely be Ange's guardian therefore there's the possibility of Eva holding resentment at Ange for her parents murdering her husband and son.
So, on the premise she actually cares about Ange, she lets Eva kill her because she wants Eva to do the same, as opposed to her killing Eva, surviving and caring about Ange herself?
Doesn't make much sense.

What's the truth then? Does Kyrie love Rudolf or not?

Also, is it possible that Rudolf switched the babies because he didn't want to marry Kyrie?

>>5980060
She probably loves him enough to be obsessed, but isn't really the kind of person to have lingering affections. Once he's dead, she moves on, that's all. It doesn't mean she didn't love him or loved him only superficially.

>>5980060
Maybe we haven't seen the WHOLE truth yet. We really need a Kyrie/Rudolf/Asumu full backstory.
Battler said his parents weren't such bad people and so far, they are protrayed as absolute fuckers.

>>5980070
Battler also think it was his fault Yasu started this crazy game.
Battler is Jesus.

>>5980049

Even the most rational, cold and calculating person would be affected with their love's death espescially if they've willingly would go trough hell for them for nearly 2 decades. Kyrie could have just been lying about the things she said.
Even if the Tea party is reality not fiction it doesn't mean that Kyrie can't lie at all about her feelings. Also Kyrie may be skilled with a gun but even a skilled gunsman would realised if they were on a disadvantage or not.

>>5980068
I see, that makes sense. I would have found it weird, if she hadn't cared at all like some were saying.

>>5980070
Yeah. EP8 can't come out soon enough.

>>5980070
Battler is lying to Ange

>>5980098

Oh really? where does it imply Battler is lying to Ange?

>>5979983
I think that this is relevant to the gender thingy.

>>5980120
It's not. There's enough hints for both sexes, and they tell you the whole schroedinger pants deal directly.

>>5980070
>Maybe we haven't seen the WHOLE truth yet

Of course we haven't seen the whole truth yet. We know little about Kyrie, Rudolf, the whole Battler birth fiasco. We only saw what happened in rokenjima. EP8 will surely show us the real story.

Battler says their not bad people. He knows the complete truth. #he has no reason to lie to Ange.

What do you guys think of what Battler said in EP6: that he would take Beato off the gameboard even when the gameboard would finally disappear? Do you think she'll be back?

>>5980199
Means that he will always keep the secret about what happened on the island.

Meta-Beatrice is the illusion of the witch that cover these 2 days, if this illusion is kept then she can live.

>>5980212
How do you know what he meant? I think that's a thing supposed to come in EP8.

I love how people just bring shit of their asses.

More samefag.jpg material

>>5980199
Yes, seeing how witches basically live by being a remembered concept.

Featherine is a god because Hanyuu is regarded as a god in Akasaka's novels, Rika is a witch because she is regarded as clairvoyant in the future and nobody can disprove it anymore, because everyone got killed. If everyone and everything related disappears before the riddle is solved, Beato becomes a true witch, a Voyager, and can leave the game board.

Or that's at least how I understood it.

>>5980255
Because it's obvious.
It's called looking at the narrative, things that have told in the fucking game itself and making correlation.
You have a brain, use it.

>>5980212
Yes, which is why Beato herself said that she would disappear, because Battler ending the game meant recognizing once and for all that he had solved the mystery, that he had shattered her illusion, her heart.

Still he said that knowing how magic works he would keep her from disappearing.

Is the funeral in EP7 only a metaphor for the illusion that's finally broken?

Delicious Scythe Bern

>>5980305
I agree with this explanation. So, I ask again, do you think she'll be back?

I'd like to see Beatrice and Battler make a cameo in Ryuukishi's next works - if he keeps writing, that is.

So is the Meta-world a complete fiction aswell? Or it's still unexplained?

>So, I ask again, do you think she'll be back?

very yes

It's up to speculation, really.
On one side, it looks like she's gone for good.
On the other side, dying didn't really stop her before. Sure, "Beato" as we knew her is dead, but she still appeared somehow. I also think it's preposterous thinking R07 will make the last episode, the climax without one of the main characters that had more exposure barred Battler.

>>5980354
I honestly think that's up to your interpretation.

George will be the hero of Rokenjima just you wait guys

Will+Bato in the midst of LeonxWill

>>5980516
considering he could have been deceiving Shannon all along and caused Shannon to think Battler forgot all about her? Yeah, sure.

>>5980516

>>5980588
They both looks strangely good in these clothes.

>>5980305
>Akasaka's novels

What? Akasaka's novels? Where the hell did that come from?

>>5980588
Kazune's EP7 fanart?! OH YES.

>>5980950
His novels in Higurashi about 'the truth about the incident', he writes in some kakeras.

>>5980593

You dare the doubt demon king of rokenjima?

>>5981184
>demon king of Rokkenjima
>my face when Rudolf shot him and he cried like a little bitch.

and to make it more appropriate, it's a .gif from 24

>>5981190
Let me shoot only your hand
Or even just your pinky and let's see if you won't run crying like a little bitch

New thread since this one is autosaging

Ok here's some thoughts about the Tea Party End Extravaganza:

- Bern never said in red that she wasn't the game master she only used white noise, which is unlike her.

- The "it's all truth" statement is rather ambiguous since she could be saying that all the events in the kakera are truth since no magic was involved.

- AuAu said in EP6 if im not mistaken that if you right the events of the bottle in numerous ways you will eventually reached the truth. Her going back to sleep might mean that her fiction plus Bern's "truth" was enough for her to confirm what really happened.

I might be wrong but this is too much fun to stop thinking.

>>5981387
Will doesn't seem to think what Bern showed was the truth either.

>>5981392
I don't know if I'd say Will thought it wasn't the truth. He was arguing that it wasn't so that he could save Leon, but he makes it clear through that scene that he knows he's probably not going to survive that fight.

The problem is, what happened ultimately doesn't change much.
People died without a doubt.
The fact that Yasu failed in her plans doesn't change anything, the ultimate result in the same.

The only new thing the tea party showed was that Kyrie and Rudolf were potential killers due to greed, that's all.

Even if you think that the tea party wasn't the real truth, it doesn't change anything at all, the end result will always be the same.
Or what, you think everyone survived in the real version of the event?

One of the good things about EP7 - batshit Bern art keeps coming.

>>5981665

Not enough good ebil Kyrie/Rudolf fanart though

Inhuman Troll Faces: The Manga, will now be covering episode 5 & 6.

>>5981683
Aki Taka (can't find any info) for the EP5 manga, and Momoyama Hinase (who did the Minagoroshi-hen manga) for the EP6 manga... Hm.

>>5981683

Can any of them beat this trollface!! Ah creepy Maria~ how I miss you!

>>5981756
And people say the ANIME was bad about it...

Let's just move on to this thread?: >>5981766

>>5981770

Well at least in the manga while the mangaka likes to go overboard with the creepiness they actually look creepy unlike the anime where Maria just looks stupid.

>>5981683

just passing by to say that we're already searching for translators to episodes 5 and 6 manga...