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EP8: Bern gets the shit beaten out of her and gets turned into mince meat and served to the family.

Fuck this bitch

I want to see Bern beaten up for once and all.

Claire fanart? Nice, I hope that there will be a lot of it

Ruined Eva and Ange's lives, killed Ange, killed Beato, tortured Natsuhi, used and threw away Erika, killed Leon, killed Will, destroyed Ange's mind and killed her again

Am I missing anything.

WHY IS THERE A GREEN/WHITE BEATORICHE?!

>>5958704
That she is a fictional character and actually didn't kill or ruin anyone life maybe.

>>5958704
Tortured Beatrice.

>>5958687
>>5958692

Won't happen.

Besides, most of Ushiromiyas are bigger bitches than Bern.

EP: 8 Ange returns to Rokkenjima and finds Battler's epitaph, and finds out there was some gold still hidden on the island, Amakusa decides to kill her at this point and bring the gold to Okonogi, but the Sumaderas are back but then the servants like Runon, Manon, etc. all come in guns blazing and it becomes a massive shootout between the remaining Sumaderas, Amakusa and the furniture

it all ends with the boat captain sailing into the sunset with the remaining fortune

>>5958706
It's just another one of Yasu's plethora of personalities.

Don't think too hard about it, you'll get a headache.

>>5958714
...hu? What?
While I agree that everybody have serious problems on this island, Bern is joke tier on this point

I hate how Yasu developed DID just because she was a bit bullied and lonely.

>>5958714

Bern is the cruelest whorebag in the series. No one can compare to her. She mostly does shit for boredom and amusement. Of course there are many insane ushiromiya members but nothing compared to Bern.

>>5958706
Her name is Mintrice.

So, a summary of what may be going on with the baby from 19 years ago is this:

If the baby is dropped, it survives and becomes "Yasu," who eventually creates Beatrice in three "stages": as Gaap from the legends of the witch hiding things for fun; as Mintrice for a reason I can't recall; and then Beatrice because blonde and blue-eyed apparently turns him on (eventually becomes the witch portrayed in the portrait).
If the baby is not dropped, but is instead raised to be the child Natsuhi could not have, s/he becomes Leon/Lion/Male Jessica.

>>5958717
>Don't think too hard about it, you'll get a headache.

>>If the baby is not dropped, but is instead raised to be the child Natsuhi could not have, s/he becomes Leon/Lion/Male Jessica.


Why can't we have our canon homolust ending?
Damn, Ryukishi, I want my Battler x Lion.

>>5958729
Boredom would remind her her hell. If I were Bern, I'd do the same thing.

But I hope she gets what she deserves, damn it ;_;

>reveal the truth about Ushiromiya family being a nest of crazy and murderous retards
>get hated by everyone
>don't give a fuck

I love Bern and she's the best example of neutral evil I will ever see.
Episode 4 will focus on Ange, not sure how. It should be the last though, so I expect some kind of closure.

>>5958671
and abandoned incest rape baby

>>5958726
Yasu was dropped from a cliff. You'd think that'd do a little brain damage on impact or some such.

Or the trauma of learning that your only surrogate mother rejected you because a) you are an incestuous spawn of a mad man, and b) you're not her natural-born child.

The mind seems to be a particularly sensitive and fragile thing in Umineko.

>>5958732
Minitrice is Yasu's form when she decided to stop being a servant and become a witch.

>>5958747
BECAUSE LEON BELONG TO WILL.HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE TO SAY THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS?!!?

>>5958750

Thats because she's too weak to face her truth and rather just distract herself. doesn't make her any better.

>>5958761
Yasu developed DID before knowing about her origin.
And you don't develop it from physical damage.
It's a mental thing, you can't get DID by falling on your head or something.

>>5958754
>Episode 4

You mean 8 right?

>>5958761
The problem is Yasu didn't show any problems until she started getting bullied. She never learned Natsuhi dropped her from a cliff.

Asmodeus won't come, at least, because Asune = probably Asumu

>>5958770
Nanjo says Yasu was greatly injured by the fall though, what about brain damage? What about subconscious?
Some children don't even remember traumatic experiences but are forever scarred by them.

>>5958766
Threesome
>>5958770
Could be because of the shock when learning it. Trying to hide it in another personnality. But here
>>5958775
is right. And even when he was bullied, it wasn't a "split personnality" at all, really, stop confusing the two things. So.

>>5958770
Developing DID could have been part of the long-term damage, along with the combination of coping with mama trauma and possibly horrendous back pain (those breasts don't help, either). Stress is the common excuse for creating 'split personalities'.

I wanted to reread all of Umineko while EP7 is being translated, but with all this fiction bullshit I lost all motivation.

90% of Episodes 1-6 is just a pointless fiction that never happened. What the hell was the point of making 8 episodes when almost all of them are just fiction inside fiction inside fiction?

t has been theorized that severe sexual, physical, or psychological trauma in childhood predisposes an individual to the development of DID. The steps in the development of a dissociative identity are theorized to be as follows:

1. The child is harmed by a trusted caregiver (often a parent or guardian) and splits off the awareness and memory of the traumatic event to survive in the relationship.
2. The memories and feelings go into the subconscious and are experienced later in the form of a separate personality.
3. The process happens repeatedly at different times so that different personalities develop, containing different memories and performing different functions that are helpful or destructive.
4. Dissociation becomes a coping mechanism for the individual when faced with further stressful situations.[38]

in b4 >wikipedia

Character development completly down the drain. several closed room mystery solved by "lol illusion' is there even a point in re-reading?

>>5958732
Still supporting my theory: if the baby's female, she gets dropped and becomes Yasu.
If they baby's male, he's kept and raised by Natsuhi and Krauss as the next Ushiromiya head.

>>5958808
>Character development completly down the drain.

Not really.

>several closed room mystery solved by "lol illusion' is there even a point in re-reading?

They're solvable.

>>5958808
No.
You can finally move on and start reading something else, you have choices

>>5958792
>>5958808
somebody really need to talk to Ryu about this.W-H needs to do an interview with him and ask wtf is he doing

>>5958816
Well the way the closed rooms are solved is exactly what we thought before.
Personalities who die, fake bodies, doors that actually aren't closed.

>>5958815
...that works, and it would certainly explain the attempt at infanticide.

Even if the adopted baby is female, there's no point in raising her if a) the baby isn't of her own flesh and blood, and b) if she's female.

No wonder Erika lost the closed room mystery. I wonder what her reaction would be if the solution was as simple as 'lol fantasy doesn't matter'?

bern is rika right?
no way she is evil
she is just pretending

>>5958831
They're solvable, bro. Don't write off Will's work that way.

>>5958831
Who's Erika?

>>5958831
Stop with the goddamn dA original characters, damn it.

>>5958836
Bern isn't Rika.
And yeah she just pretended to kill all these people, what a nice girl.

>>5958831

Who's Erika?

>>5958808
>Character development completly down the drain.
lol alternate kakera

>several closed room mystery solved by "lol illusion'
If you think illusions solved the closed rooms, you've stopped thinking.

>is there even a point in re-reading?
Door's to your left, anon.

>>5958792
>90% of Episodes 1-6 is just a pointless fiction that never happened. What the hell was the point of making 8 episodes when almost all of them are just fiction inside fiction inside fiction?
Maybe the murders weren't the point at all?

>>5958821
didn't he write something like "readers should think as best as they can about it, so when the anwers come up, they can accept it even if it's stupid because well, they tried their best and all?" in EP5?
Featherine was basicallt R07's frustration at people that didn't fall in his little narrative scheme and were bound to be disappointed by the resolution.

>>5958792
If you do it and try to look at everything differently (even if everyone here will be there " lol no shkannon confirmed", I don't care, it is still more interresting and funny) Your brain will fry.
this episode is really a "yes but no but also yes" on many points.
Probably the best/worse episode when you want still want to theorize, everything is screwed up. Kinzo alive but dead but alive, enjoy. Or even the "logic error" in ep7 itself.
I agree with you on the fiction, but still. The good part is about theorizing, even if it is a fiction..
>>5958803
But then there is the problem that Yasu was normal before the fukuin house.
And he was really, really young, so being conscious of what happened would be really hard. And it also implies that Yasu was awake when natsuhi threw him, which is not really the easiest way to do it .
It is a possibility, but still.

>>5958836
this is the type of bernfags i hate the most

Everybody is dead. All Ushiromiyas, Erika, servants, even meta Leon and Will. Eva was the only sane Ushiromiya and the only reward she get was a life full of hatred and shit.

Rosa Musou, Kyrie with Rudolf vs Stakes and all other such scenes were pure bullshit. They never happened and in reality all parents except Eva and Hideyoshi were hardcore bastards. All the character development, emotions and moments of awesome were fake.

How could this be called "bittersweet"? It's a pure tragedy.

>>5958850
Alternate kakera mean different fictions.
Confirmed in episode 7.
There is no parallel universe in Umineko, none at all.

>>5958836
Bernkastel is not Rika. She's more like the embodiment of all of Rika's hate, spite, sadness, and hopelessness during all those repeated killings. Since the good end memories weren't transferred to her...

>>5958859
They don't actually exist anymore. ........do they?

>>5958842
>>5958843
>>5958848

Can we stop with all this 'Who's Erika?' please? that was just Bern being a bitch. How can you all forget the awesome perverted intelectual rapist? ;_;

Killer kittens.Killer kittens everywhere

>>5958876
Will will never come home to feed Diana ;_;

>>5958815
They say Natsuhi's problem with Yasu was the humiliation of having to care for a child that wasn't even related to her, and proof that she was defective because she couldn't give birth. It's not really something that depends on gender.
Bern says that the probability of Natsuhi accepting the child are like 0.00000000etc1%, if it was just about gender the odds would be more balanced, I think.

>>5958867
So then, which of the "kakera" is bullshit and which one is the real thing? I always liked to think that EP1 was the true blue murder, but then...

>>5958888
True one is tea party of episode 7

>>5958865

Which is why i say that all the character development went down the fucking drain since in reality All of the adults exept for Eva are fucking phycotic rather than what we saw in EP 1-6

>>5958892
No, they're not. Stop jumping to conclusions.

>>5958884
Again, makes sense with my first reasoning: it's much harder to love a baby that isn't from your womb. But since the baby was also an insult to Natsuhi's fertility (poor thing)...

>>5958888
Heavily implied everything showed in Kyrie Time is the truth (probably not all of it), and the rest is just fiction.

>This is fucking terrible.

>All episodes were just fiction and nothing more. All they did was give hints about ShKanontrice and Ushiromiya's situation.

>All the closed rooms and mysteries are completely irrelevant. They never happened, they don't matter at all. We all just wasted time trying to solve them.

>The person who caused it all is a trap/hermaphrodite born from incest with 5 personalities and imaginary friends, who decided to kill everyone because some kids bullied her/him at the orphanage and Battler forget some childish promise with him/her. And also he/she is a total master of disguise.

>The murderers just went on a killing spree without any plan. And they are super ultra evil. And crazy.

>God fucking dammit Ryukishi...

>Oh, and the best thing is it was still fun to read.

Reposting Anon's thoughts which sum things up wonderfully. None of this (except DID) were unexpected to me after I sat down and thought things through in EP4 though, so I accept EP7 more readily than most.

Still wanna see foreshadowing for Yasu in early eps so I can shit bricks.

>>5958889
I assume this is expanding on what happened in EP3?

People in Japan don't seem happy with how Kyrie and Rudolf just went lolevil and killed everyone too.
They call them 2nd rate villain, I tend to agree.

>>5958903
No, it's similar but ultimately very different compared to episode 3.
In the real world there were no twilights, no staking (that we know of, it's possible that Beatrice survived and went to stake the bodies), no closed rooms.

>>5958906
"lol let's go kill everyone baby"
"okay rudolf np luv u money$$$"

EP7 tea party in a nutshell.

>>5958903
EP3 is one fiction. Probably the closest to what really happened, but still fiction. It doesn't make EP3 any more true than the others.
The point of EP1-4 was finding out about Beatrice, not the killings. Why do you think the final question is "Who am I?"
And, we still don't know how Yasu exactly works.
He sees imaginary friends, that's confirmed, but considering past episodes are fiction it wouldn't surprise me if the Shannon and Kanon we know don't actually exist/are different than how we see them,

>>5958906

I agree. I'm not happy with how both Kyrie and Rudolf were handled as impulse killed blinded by greed due to oppertunity. Seriously EP8 better start giving them some backstory for that shit

A little bit disappointed in the last battle. I expected something greater from Bern, like lolancientdestructivepowers, lolpitch-blackgatesofbabylon, not some lolswarmofblackcats.

>>5958936
nothing fits bern better than swarms of black cats. It was proven to be more effective than what beato and virgilia started throwing in ep3.

>>5958925

To me EP3 makes sense if you think about it as Tohya's answer. In order to prove that she knew the truth (probably to herself, arrogant bitch) she made her first bottle tale closest to the truth while obscuring several key points, mainly by slandering and pinning the murders on a dead woman (Eva), hiding the Epitaph solution, and making only one member solve it. She put a couple of lolhints there too. Making Meta Beato a troll is parallel to her entire tale being a troll, the sloppy stakings imply no stakings at all, etc.

>>5958906

More like 3rd rate villains. No plan, no twilights, no staking, no closed rooms, no mystery at all.

It's all like: "Oh look, guns! Let's shoot everybody!"

>>5958955

And then, in the very last episode, it will be revealed to be a movie they all did for the money.

"Cut!"

The end.

>>5958846
>>5958859
>>5958868
without love it can't be seen

We don't know Kyrie's true motivations yet. Or Rudolf's.

I really really hope that they didn't kill everybody for only money.

Have people laughing at Kyrie and Rudolph's sudden turn about even played the game?
They're in an island set to explode, Krauss and Natsuhi have been killed by accident and everyone is panicking, they still have money problems and the long-awaited gold could just blow up, everyone is hysteric and they have guns...
It doesn't really sound as farfetched as you think, as long as you get that they were potentially bad people even before that. I mean, games like Swan Song do the same shtick. Different circumstances show people in a new light.

>>5958978
They did, it's pretty clear.
They didn't plan, they just saw an opportunity and went with the flow.

To people being disappointed by the "fiction". Re-read EP5 again and the way Battler defends Natsuhi. In the way that he shows Pieces still matter, you can see that the people that we've followed throughout this tale still do even if they're fiction.

Even if it was through a fictional medium like the game boards, we've heard their story, we've shared their fears and tragedies, and we've gained some measure of understanding them. The same way that they "exist" in our heads, they also and still "exist" in the Meta World. It honors and is a testament to their brief and tragic existence.

>>5958978

Well honey what else did they kill them for? the tea party shows it clearly that it was for the gold. Also bear in mind they only started killing after the shit had hit the fan with both Krauss and Natuhi dead and Eva setting the bomb.

You know what piss me off? All this Ryu's talk about how Umineko is a great mystery. How he won't make a bullshit solution again. How much Umineko is supposed to be superior to Higurashi.

In the end there was no mystery at all. Adults simply grabbed the guns and started shooting. All the closed rooms and "sophisticated" murders were absolutely and utterly pointless. All games were just fiction.

In the context of this supposed trust and "love" between author and reader that was mentioned in Umineko many times it's like a big fuck you from Ryukishi.

It was fun and all, but I feel betrayed.

>>5958987
Amen.
>>5958994
>>the tea party showed
Well, not that I think that it is false, but saying this when we are talking about umineko... I think you can understand that it seems a little... huu...

The thing that bothers me with the way Kyrie and Rudolf acted in the tea party was why they even bothered to go in a killing spree in the first place. I mean only the adults know about the location of the gold (and the fact that they found it) woudn't it be more logical to just kill all the adults present (and make sure their DEAD) and just go get the get the gold, hide in the kuwodrian and let the bomb do the rest of the killing. The massacare felt really unnessecary.

>>5958987
This.

>People getting disappointed because they believe that EP7 Tea Party was the truth.

Seriously? You all know that RED FUCKING TEXT can't be trusted fully.

>>5959007
The mystery was Beatrice.

>>5958980

It's not farfetched at all. Just really disappointing.

>>5959033
And Beatrice was just a DID meido

>A truth is revealed by a troll witch
>Everyone stops thinking
>You can't execute anyone in the TIPS

Well done gentlemen

>>5958980
Nobody ever said that Kyrie and Rudolf sudden turn was unrealistic.
No, rather it's just too common.
I think people expected a lot more from Kyrie.

>>5959055
Let's add also an entire army base is destroyed just for it.

>>5959055
"Okay, I am the most intelligent human on this island. Let's prove it by making some pigeon shooting with humans"

>>5959055
>I think people expected a lot more from Kyrie.

THIS.

People tought that Kyrie would have been a mastermind with a well tought up plan and a deeper meaning for killings than 'lol money'. But what we get is an out of a blue impulse plan that disn't even work out in the end.

>>5959055
>>5959080
Well, what did you expect?
The point is probably that overblown killings, mysterious motives and all that flashy shit just happens in fiction, because it's fantasy.
Reality is cold, simple and unforgiving. Things happen randomly.
Which is why I'd wait before confirming crossdressing/whatever, since we're shown that only in the kakera.

I'm still hoping this is a troll from Ryukishi. He is following fanmade theories since the beginning, so he should know that this kind of ending will never be accepted by the fans.
Well, let's just hope. Without a lot of proofs, I just want to believe in Ryukishi a little more.

>>5959094

Don't keep your hopes up

Wouldn't the mastermind be Yazu.

I mean, she didn't kill anyone (although, she would have had no one solved the epitaph), but she's the one who put the gold and the bomb in the line.There rest just fell like domino pieces.

>>5959088

I never really thought about it that way, but I guess it's true. Beato/Tohya's penchant for mystery novels add a lot of theatrics totally unconnected to straight up magical fantasy. Mystery novels are a kind of fantasy too after all, totally unrealistic. We just rolled with it because the story was sold to us as mystery vs fantasy.

The real version's backstory is kinda fantastical though, What;s up with Kinzo's backstory other than the incest? Submarine wat.

>>5959094
Honestly, I'd rather have this, than some rubbish in which no one actually died, and they were all nice and all - which is what I'm expecting to happen, since Battler said Rudoplh and Kyrie weren't evil.

>>5959107
That's what I think too but others seem to disagree.

>>5959088
Shannon and Kanon really existed on the island.
Just think about it, there were a lot of rotating servants, there was Ange as well, don't you think people would have found it weird learning about a servant who was never actually there?

>>5959119
It's a bit unrealistic but believable. It's a good way to bring gold in the island, it'd be impossible otherwise.

Episode 7: Requiem of the Golden Witch

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Yasu still sent the letters with the pin number before the event.
She planned to make the bomb explodes.
She is the real culprit, Kyrie and Rudolf just went with the flow

>The real version's backstory is kinda fantastical though, What;s up with Kinzo's backstory other than the incest? Submarine wat.
Italian fascists trying to hide the gold that would be needed to revive the country (that was the period Italy joined the Allies, narration explains how the fascists actually kept fighting for three days after Berlin's own surrender). They explain why they chose Japan rather than Germany, but I didn't really pay attention and can't remember the exact reason.
Japanese soldiers on Rokkenjima and Italian soldiers fight over the gold, everyone but Kinzo and Beatrice dies.

>>5958987
>we've heard their story, we've shared their fears and tragedies, and we've gained some measure of understanding them

Except it was all a lie. Their characterization was fake. All the character development is worth shit. For example Rosa never loved Maria, she would never try to fight for her like she did in EP2. Same with Kyrie's and Rudolf's heroic battle with the stakes.

In reality they were just evil, greedy bastards.

>>5959139
meanwhile in a witch hunter....

>>5959195
>For example Rosa never loved Maria

What the fuck are you talking about? Rosa has her own issues, and she's a shit mother, but she knows that much. She does love Maria, that's why she tends to break down in tears after she hits Maria.

>>5959195
This is hilariously wrong and makes it obvious you haven't actually read the episode.

>>5959195
people aren't one-dimensional cardboard cutouts, you know. Rosa can be greedy and still love Maria even if she hits her. That was the whole point of fiction showing you sides of the character than the cold truth couldn't show you, by presenting alternate scenarios.

>>5959206

Rosa would have had no problems killing Maria in the Tea party since she was also blinded with greed. The only reason she hasn't went on a killing spree because Kyrie and Rudolf went ahead of her

>>5959228
Wrong. Who the fuck told you that?

>>5959228
>Rosa would have had no problems killing Maria in the Tea party
where did you get this? You're talking out of your ass, please stop.

>ITT: People who say that those who didn't read EP 7 are fucking stupid, but the people who say that only read it with shitty Atlas or read summaries.

Yeah okay.

Also remember when Kyrie and Rudolf were fucking awesome? they still are.

>>5959228
How loveless, anon!were you abused as a child?

>>5959240
except there's a few people who can understand japanese, just because we don't say what you want to hear doesn't mean we can't read.

>>5959240

>>5959240
I'm sorry Anon, your favourite characters are a pair of assholes.

>>5959253
Don't get me wrong, I played through it myself already. My point is everyone is just throwing things around. It reminds me back before EP 6 was translated. Everyone was saying how Jessica was the culprit, but then when they played EP 6 they realized how unlikely that was and switched to George.

Point I'm trying to make is that those who read Umineko EP 7 through spoiler summaries don't get the whole picture.

>>5959169

Hahaha. Ryukishi read Cryptonomicon. I'm fucking sure of it now. This was my crack theory for a while, nice to see I got one right.

Any reason why Kinzo was chosen? Kinda random.

>>5959264

How were people under the impression that a sequence involving Kyrie and Rudolf shooting a couple of demons trying to kill them makes them big noble heroes?

I mean, yeah, it was cool and badass, but it didn't exactly have any bearing on their morality.

>>5959218
Seeing that now is pretty funny. In the letters from Bern, she speaks of Beatrice having more potential as a witch than both herself and Lambda. What could that have meant in the real world?

>>5959274
Oh, on that I agree.

>>5959275
He was the only jap with english, acting as translator for Lady Castiglioni, the only italian with english and they develop a love relationship.

>>5959282
As Beatrice as a fiction could become a mystery that would never be solved.
A mystery that is solvable yet nobody manage to find the solution.

>>5959292
could be a cute and romantic story but the incest ruin it.

Intelectual rapist coming trough. time to steal the spotlight for EP8

>>5959323
who?

>>5959306

Well, the incest came after. All happy endings become tragic if you let it run long enough.

>>5959306
You just cannot handle a bit of chilli in your tacos, Anonymous.

>>5959323
Why do people keep posting this character?

>>5959323
Will: new hotness.

Erika: old and busted.

>>5959323
No one cares about your shitty original character.

>>5959275
He wanted to die in a battle because he felt his whole life was controlled by the Ushiromiya elders like a puppet. This is also the reason he has white hair, he was that stressed
He enlists, but irony makes it that he's assigned to the Marines, where he's pretty much just a laborer building a submarine base on Rokkenjima. Italians arrive, he's the only one who can speak English. On the other side, Beatrice (daughter of a fascist officer) is the only one who can speak English as well, they bond because they just think of each other as persons rather than surnames (both families ar ereally influential in their homecountry). Meanwhile the Japanese want the gold, Italians don't want to give it over, ends up in massacre.
Beatrice probably died giving birth because the submarine was heavily damaged. When they first land, it's remarked upon how everyone doesn't look really healthy.

This ep is really showing the difference between those who still have a functioning sense of discretion and those who are happily sucking on R07's limp dong. Everything about this ep, from the concept to the characters to the "solution" (understanding this is Bern's version, please note "different realities"). I never felt the need to ctrl skip through most of any other episode. Kinzo and Nazi Beatrice, submarine adventures and gold? Skip. Will asking about characters' pasts? Skip. Homolust scene #53 between Leon and Will? Skip. Yasu being bullied by Stake-servants? Skip. Whitetrice? Wa--? Oh, made up Bern bullshit, skip. Battler's white knight "sin" -- not even worth a lol, skip. And so on. So much fail.

Then you realize, what's so horrible about this ep compared to the others? Isn't the most important thing in the story, the characters, their motives and pasts being explored, make this ep an edge-of-your-seat read? Well, no...because the mystery was shit and the mystery mostly sucked. At least when it was small-bombing and everyone playing dead, it was still fun because of light-sabers made out of truth and Kinzo flying out of an upper story window to defy certain death and cheat a perfect witch-denial at the same time. It was just a spectacle.

>>5959337
lol wat.they spend months making baby in that submarine?

>>5959326
>>5959331

How can you guys forget me? I was the star of EP6!!

>>5959343
you again

>>5959345
I probably wrote that in a confusing way. When they first land, they say everyone doesn't really look in good health because the submarine was malfunctioning and everyone had breathed gas or some shit. Beatrice was also shot afterwards but survived.
Add this up and you can see why she'd die giving birth.

I can already see it.

Battler: I've already chosen my piece.
Bern: Oh? Who shall it be?
Battler: An old friend. You should know her.
Bern: ...?
Erika: Hellllloooo, my masteeeeeerrrrrrrrr? Shwwppppprriiiiised to seeeeeeee meeeee?

Please, R07. Let me have this, at the very least.

>>5959323
Who?

>>5959343
>I read the spoilers before playing so actually playing couldn't kept me interested enough because I already knew everything
you don't say

>>5959348
Who are you again?

>>5959368

That would be fucking glorious!

>>5959368
>He thinks that will happen when i am around and already solved the mystery

Not a popular idea right now, but I'll say that I don't believe that Bern actually showed Ange's real past.

People seem to have completely forgotten that red text is relative. Yes, it was said in red that "It's all truth", but, in previous episodes, red text confirmed apparently fictional events, so what is stopping that truth from being fictional too?

Obviously Bern wants everyone to think that it's reality, but I think there's still space to break that idea next episode.

Episode 8 won't be a detective battle or whatever, that ended.
It will just be Battler telling the full truth.
I doubt there will even be a Battler vs Bern or Lambda

>>5959406
It's the real truth, it's very clear in that scene.
Bern only used the red to break Ange, honestly she didn't even need to do that.
Even Leon understood it himself without the red.

>>5959343

>Will asking about characters' pasts? Skip.

lol retard.

>>5959413
Well we didn't really learn much we didn't know.
Best thing about this episode was denpa Yasu, but R07 didn't go far enough with the denpa and portrayal of the DID.

>>5959337

How long did they stay together? It's kinda weird if it was just brief. It would make Beato II older than she seems.

>>5959411
If that's the real truth, she could have said it in GOLD. But she didn't. She doesn't know the full truth of Rokkenjima.

>>5959441
Bern didn't design those events. She was in the audience just watching them with Leon and Ange. The events were what was exposed after Will had put down the illusion of the witch in the main game.

>>5959441
Why should she have said it in Gold. In fact, what would that have changed? Gold is not something that is not up to interpretation you know?

>>5959450
No reason to accept it as the truth.

>>5959459
But Gold is the prove that you understand the truth, that was already confirmed by R07.

But... Bern used red.

>>5959464
Both Leon and Ange accepted it as true.
R07 said he was going to show a harsh truth.
Next episode is the last.
Only backstories left are Kyrie and Rudolf, only mystery left is Battler's birth.
Why can't you accept it?

>>5959477
What does that change? Suddenly red truth is not reliable at all? It still means that was the truth. Only, possibly not the complete truth, which Battler will show in ep8. But that still doesn't mean Tea Party didn't happen or happened differently.
We're repeating the same things, god damn it.

>>5959477
Bern also used gold you know, to say:
THIS GAME WILL HAVE NO HAPPY ENDING

>>5959488
Why did you stop thinking?

>>5959499
She said that in red, actually.

>>5959499
Fake spoiler...

She used red for that too.

>>5959508
Are you going to repeat this for 4 months?
What ending do you want?
Aren't you one of those who couldn't accept ShKanontrice and kept saying those who thought it was true had stopped thinking?
And who was right?

>>5959499
It was Lambda and bern here. And lambda know the truth for sure.

>>5959508
Bern's truth isn't complete. There are holes to be filled, things we don't know yet about Rudolf and Kyrie, that Battler will probably explain. Just because we're thinking in a different way from you doesn't mean we've stopped thinking.

SURE IS STOPPED THINKING IN HERE, EVERYONE.
Remember when you wouldn't even trust any white text in an episode? Now you take an entire fucking novel of it for granted.

Captcha: Retarted shorts

>>5959520
actually nobody is right. Thanks.
And here he is right. The main purpose of umineko is to think, so even if what he is thinking about is false, it will still be better than " okay let's popcorn ans watch"

remember the old days anons...

>>5959536
Then we learned that was a troll and BAAAAAAAW'd

>>5959536
Man... I sure miss Beatrice.
She was the reason why I kept on playing this game...

>>5959532
Hey now, don't be hating on Will's sword.

>>5959533
No.
For one ShKanontrice was right.
Just replace who we called Sayo with Yasu/Leon.
Personalities who can die yet the "body" keep moving = CHECK
Pony = CHECK
Even for small things like how the closed rooms of episode 1, 2 and 3 happened, we were right.

>>5959520
>What ending do you want?
A satisfying ending. Who said that this is the end?

>Aren't you one of those who couldn't accept ShKanontrice and kept saying those who thought it was true had stopped thinking?
No. I'm not against it. I am merely thinking outside the box.

>And who was right?
No one.

>>5959533
95% of Umineko has been solved.
Think about the 5% that is left if you want but thinking that what we were shown in episode 7 was fake or a troll prove you didn't read it.

>>5959546
>Just replace who we called Sayo with Yasu/Leon.

Well, Yasu was nothing like how we imagined Sayo was.

Either way, Yasu >>>>>>>>>>>> Sayo.

God I miss the days when Batter and Beato were enemies and used to duke it out

>>5959554
>95%
>70% of it was solved by lolillusions

ITT: people who don't like the part of solution presented, in denial
you're a moron if you can't see the narrative coherence in this and disregard everything with TORLLING XD.
Sure, this is not the end, but claiming it's just bullshit is ridiculous.

>>5959557
We couldn't know the personality of Yasu.
There are things found in the background that aren't supposed to be solvable.

>>5959560
except not, did you even play the game or are you going by hearsay?

>>5959543
It's sort of interesting, actually. We were all probably anticipating Bern's board to be full of twisted shit and trolling, and then she pulls in someone absolutely trustworthy for her detective. That was kind of a stroke of genius on Bern's part for a payoff of heightened trolling to the ninth degree after she had gotten what she wanted out of him.

>>5959560
There is no "lolillusion".
When Will said it, it was simply that it was a trick.
For example, the chain of Eva/Hideyoshi's room in episode 1?
It was an illusion and therefore a fake chain.

>>5959560
I wish people would stop saying this shit.

>>5959554
... I don't even know what to answer here.
"That you didn't read it"?
No, but I don't take everything as granted, that's all. I've nothing agaisnt Yasutora, Shkannon or kinzo's yellow submarine or whatever, but it is still only a possibility. Nothing else.

>>5959563
We actually got to know some bits about Yasu's personality, and it doesn't really match how we used to picture Sayo, other than shared clumsiness.

Yasu is an avid mystery reader. She also has a huge imagination, to the point she's really deranged from reality. She also seems to love playing pranks on people.

>>5959567
So he just made it solvable by saying the chain does not exist?

>>5959536
Remember when Beatrice was the main character and wasn't a three-timing DID meido? I want this time back. I still love Meta-Beato, damn it.

>>5959574
No.
For example the chain was broken beforehand then Kanon used something to attach it and give the illusion of a closed room.
That's what Will mean by illusion, think of a trick done my a magician.

>>5959566
Actually, we don't know how reliable it is? Shannon BDODs saying she could only follow orders from one particular person? Sure that can be thought as a ShKanon clue. But we also have Maria suddenly feeling thirsty, and refused to give Will more info.

I'm sure things like this point that Will didn't get all the possible info.

>>5959567

There was a youtube video demonstrating this using DUCT TAPE

>>5959567
>It was an illusion and therefore a fake chain.
Dismissing it as an illusion and fake is stupid.

>>5959582
Maria is Yasu's ally, I don't see anything weird.

>>5959582
No, I didn't mean that in the sense that all of Will's information is definitely reliable, but Will is a very trustworthy person.

>>5959580
>For example the chain was broken beforehand then Kanon used something to attach it and give the illusion of a closed room.

Actually, Kanon didn't even have to attach it. By the time Battler and Co. showed up, the chain had already been cut.

>>5959588
So basically, you just don't like it because Will used the word "illusion" as opposed to "chain trick" or something.

>>5959574
Illusion means something looked like this, but actually was that. It still doesn't mean it's fantasy bullshit. "The chain of illusion" doesn't mean there wasn't a chain, only that the chain being a perfect seal wasn't true. It doesn't say how, that's up to you to figure out.
Nobody stopped thinking. That's just what the people who refuse to believe in the truth presented keeps repeating in denial.

>>5959588

Nearly everyone was doing that to solve that particular closed room and you speak up NOW?

Illusion is the perfect word to use because it brings to mind stage magicians and their tricks. Which is exactly what was done. Clever tricks.

>>5959574
I haven't gotten that far in EP7 yet, but what I take it to mean is that "it was shown that the chain was locked until Kanon and Genji cut it and discovered the bodies." Thats, after all, what we were shown. In reality, they probably killed the two right after cutting the chain. It was never a closed room.

>>5959601
No, i'm just expressing my disappointment in Beato's closed rooms.

I have a question for people who have played EP7.

Is Beatrice a new personality Yasu creates, or what Yasu herself becomes? If the former, what the hell happened to the Yasu personality? Why haven't we ever seen her or heard about her?

One thing that seems to be missing is the whydunit.
Greed does make a good motive, but I would expect R07 to have a better one.

>>5959642
And this is when you start to realize there's a reason Rudolf and Kyrie are the only people left whose backstories and mysteries we haven't explored yet. The biggest thing Will would not stop moralfagging about was the important of whydunnit, too.

>Nobody stopped thinking. That's just what the people who refuse to believe in the truth presented keeps repeating in denial.

You accepted this so called "Truth". Yet you tell yourself that you didn't stop thinking? If you didn't stop, you would think outside the box and still open to other posibilities.

>>5959652

>>5959640
Seems more "she" herself turning into Beatrice.

>>5959659

>>5959561

Narrative coherence is the reason I think that the truth that they found isn't everything they think it is.

This narrative started supposedly with Beatrice hiding the cruel truth from Battler. Yet, that was just fiction. If Battler survived or died, he always knew the truth, it was only being hidden from the reader. There was no reason anyone would care about hiding it for Ange either.

As it stands, Umineko's narrative has no beginning This story seemingly exists for itself with no reason.

I'm pretty sure that Episode 8 will give it some coherence back. And, IMO, I'm not complaining about this episode, but I think that the truth shown is incompatible with this coherence.

>>5959650
You are just completely delusional.

I have enough respect for the author to think all the narrative is coherent as was shown in episode 7.
You who just wait for LOLITROLLU are the type of readers R07 hates the most

>>5959625

Well most of them honestly kinda suck really to tell the truth. She/Ryu outlawed the use of "trap X", "method X" etc, and those are really the soul of the closed room murder variation. Closed rooms are all about inventive and crazy ways to kill someone especially from outside the door.

I guess it's a really fucking dense clue about how the truth didn't have any complicated closed rooms and was just a fucking massacre.

>>5959667

>>5959673

>>5959649
Wel, Hideyoshi's backstory was really, really slim in fact

>>5959668
Beatrice was hiding the cruel truth from the world.
She wanted Battler to know.

>>5959684

>>5959693

>>5959668

I don't get what you're saying completely. Can you explain?

Player Battler not knowing shit is kinda a mystery but I'm willling to chalk it up to him and the logic games being literary devices. Also, he's probably elevated fiction from EP1.

>>5959697
end.

>>5959669
... Please, stop using this sentence without knowing what it means. No, it is not this kind of reader that he dislikes. He dislikes readers who don't want to think anymore. He wants reader to think, even if their answer is false.
=> Featherine in ep6, or his interviews.

>>5959668
Battler from the real world =/= Meta-Battler.

Meta-Battler is nothing more than a piece that managed to become a concept in the story.

We don't know what happened to true Battler, he may have died but he could be still alive.

>>5959334

Even a retarded 12 years old kid would be able to solve it with the powers Bern granted him.

Erika > Will

>>5959714
Erika who?

>>5959669
It's useless. It's all useless.

So what?
You guys are going to disregard the truths found in episode 7 and try to "think" about crack alternative theories?
Well do whatever you want if you like to waste your time so much.

>>5959714
I can't judge if they're better than Will or not if I don't know who this person is.

>>5959640
Originally, Yasu had an imaginary friend she called Beato. This Beato is the one we know as Gaap. Gaap loved playing pranks, and Yasu liked that much. At some point, Yasu got tired of being a servant, and decided to become a witch. At that point she became Beato herself. She took the appearance of a witch in white garments.

It's hinted Yasu also had another imaginary friend. That is Shannon - whether there was a real Shannon at some point is debatable, and quite possible. After Yasu became a witch, only Shannon remained.

Shannon at some point fell in love with Battler. He promised he'd come back to her on a white horse to take her out of the island. However, Battler didn't return next year.

Yasu, now Beato, visited Shannon in her dreams. However, Shannon no longer recognised her. Either way, they became friends again. Beato told Shannon Battler would definitely come back, and that this was a trial from God to test Shannon.

>>5959714
Well, Erika had the detective authority, which Will didn't had.

>>5959742
The years passed and Battler didn't come back. Moreover, people in Rokkenjima no longer spoke about him. However, one year Kyrie said their relationship with Battler had started to improve and Shannon saw a ray of hope. Kyrie even said that he had sent letters to them. She handed the letters to George. There were letters for him, Jessica and Maria. Shannon asked if that was all, and George said that's how it was. This was a huge blow to Shannon.

At this point she became depressed and Beato visited again in her dreams, when Shannon told her what had happened, Beato felt really bad because she had told Shannon he'd come back. Then she told Shannon it'd be for the best to move on and forget about him. But Shannon said she couldn't stop loving him. At this point, Beato, in order to help Shannon, had Shannon's feelings for Battler transferred to herself. At this point she changed her appearance to fit what Battler likes. However, she realised this wasn't enough power. So, after Kinzo posted the Epitaph, she challenged it and solved it. When she found the gold, Genji showed up and told her she had effectively become the new headmaster. However, Beato declined and said Krauss could keep that. Then, Genji told her to follow him and he opened a closet, where the black dress was. She was made to wear it, and to look like the Beatrice in the portrait. At this point, she had become Beatrice.

When she met Kinzo, he broke down in tears. He told her all the truth, that he was her father, and that the name he intended to give her was Lyon. Kinzo died in peace right afterwards.

Then Beatrice decided to start the whole roulette deal, and you know the rest.

>>5959725

>crying battler.jpg

>>5959736
I think you missed the point of this serie. And no. no "disregard". Using it without taking it litteraly. There is a difference. An huge difference.

>>5959754
I miss him. Seriously.

>>5959762
And how the fuck do you want to see what was shown in episode 7 in another way?

>>5959742
>>5959748

So if I get it correctly, the original personality, the bullied kid in the orphanage has completely retreated into her mind and became Beatrice by the time the story begins yes? Any traumatic trigger for this to happen? And what about Kanon?

It's funny how reality turned out to be fiction and fiction turned out to be reality.

But where the hell is the bittersweet ending? Everybody is dead. Almost all adults are evil murderers. It's a bad end.

>>5959772
Yasu-Beatrice gave Shannon a "brother" in exchange for the feelings for Battler.

And no traumatic event, just bullying.

>>5959777
You'll have someone be alive, probably.

Is it me, or has a good amount of the hate towards Shaknontrice faded with the introduction of Yasu/Lyon.

Or is it that people just got used to it?

So the whole deal with Rosa's tea and the rose petals used for the meal by Gohda is completely irrelevant?

>>5959793
Some people said the R07 pulled it really well.

>>5959769
There is plenty of ways. Even for the logic error alone, there is already 2, or even 3 ways, so.
But if you close your eyes you will not see anything, yes.
Even if there is no other solution, you can not say it without searching.
It's not even a problem of "how do you want to see it" here. You can ALWAYS have many interpretations of something. But if you are too focused on one which HAVE to be true, every other one will look ridiculous to you no matter what.

>>5959777
Eva is alive and probably Battler too.

In fact, maybe Yasu is alive as well, since it seems Battler got distracted by something on his way to the chapel, since he was blatantly late.

>>5959793
It was executed well.

>>5959793
Most people liked it and Yasu/Lion as main personality is far interesting than Sayo.

>>5959742
>>5959748
I don't see how Kanon fits in the whole picture of this at all. Why did he appear, what is his purpose. In case if it's Shkanontrice and not just Yasu who is Shannon.

>>5959793
People who used to deny it are probably just shutting up.
Other got used to it, no use raging at something we knew was coming

I don't think DID is bad in a story but I hate the way he used it as a plot device to create these closed rooms, which was one of the most important point of Umineko.
Personalities who can die in red, fucking R07

>>5959798


I'm pretty sure ryukishi had a really nice, well thought out plot at the beginning. But then his friend died and he just went 'fuck this shit'. I don't think he even knows what hes writing about anymore.

>>5959803
Most of the people just don't care about it right now. Wait for ep7 to come out in english. THIS will be funny.

>>5959806
Nice use of words, too bad you didn't show anything yet

>>5959818
inb4 he says he won't because we'll laugh at him

>>5959814
The problem is that all of this was foreshadowed in EP1-4.

That and EP7 is a really good EP.

DID isn't something bad per se, some of my favorite VNs use it.
And Yasu's characterization was done well enough.
But the way R07 used DID as a loophole around the red text was just crappy, there is absolutely no denying this.

And there is still the fact that when you get down to it, the maid still dressed as the butler and nobody found it strange, George and Jessica even fell for them.

>>5959811
And probably hermaphrodite.

>>5959814
This.

It might explain why 6 and 7 didn't really made much of an impact. But still, if he planned it out, i'm pretty sure he can pull out a nice end to the series.

>>5959833
>And there is still the fact that when you get down to it, the maid still dressed as the butler and nobody found it strange, George and Jessica even fell for them.

I think that for stuff like this we need to wait to EP8.

>>5959847
I doubt episode 8 will focus on this at all.
Pretty much everything about Yasu was explained, including the way Shannon and Kanon were born and why they acted the way they did.

We just have to accept that Yasu was that good of an actor

>>5959780

Huh. Interesting. Now the only real knowledge about DID that I have is reading a book about it written by someone who suffers from it (When Rabbit Howls), the way I understand it, she has a buttload of personalities tailored for different situations that usually stay in her head unnoticed (staying in the Golden Land?) and a placeholder personality for day to day life (I guess Shannon fits the bill). She was raped as 3 year old though. But maybe it was horrific bullying.

>>5959836
What impact?

People hated EP6, but so far, EP7 is being liked (and even considered by some as one of the best EPs)

>>5959853
Yeah, from what I've seen, EP7 seems to be really well-liked so far.

>>5959850
Nobody expected R07 explaining all of the stuff and background that he put in Matsuribayashi-hen, but he did it even so.

>>5959809

Remember EP4? Eva died as a pathetic and unhappy shell of her former self. Her life after the incident was pure shit. Same with Ange.

And Erika fucking drowned.

At best Battler somehow survived and saved Ange, then they run away together.

Bittersweet my ass.

I saw mixed reactions on the Japanese side personally.

Endless Sorcerer Battler will be like Bernkastel, travelling through kakeras and trolling others

>>5959851

Forgot to add.

Personalities really DO DIE IRL given a few circumstances. The few Trudy created to bear with the rape all did, and her "main" personality is fractured into three and is too far gone to recover through psychotherapy. The main didn't even develop past 3 maybe 4 years old.

But yes. Using DID personality death in a closed room is still lazy as shit.

>>5959818
And I don't even intend to show something to someone who is here " LOL NO ONLY ONE TRUTH LOOOL DENIALFAG.". It is just another way of being a denialfag, by the way
.
I'm open to every ending, even the actual one, I don't care, but people like you who are putting a blockade on everything except ONE thing don't even make me feel like debating with them, it's just useless.

The question is not even about my my theories; but when you are judging someone before even hearing what they have to say, it can not end well.

You can stay on your "yeah this is the truth period" if you want, but making fun of people who are just searching more possibilities while being able to see the current one is just ridiculous.
>>5959829
No, the main reason is that I don't want to bring back the subject on a " SHKANNON IS TRUE PERIOD" "LULZ NO SHKANNON IS FALSE PERIOD".
/jp/ is having a break from this right now and it will come back when ep7 will be translated, so if I can avoid stupid "lol denialfag" or "lol shkannonfag", I do it. Ep6 was annoying enough with this.

>>5959873

He's not a voyager. He can't enter the sea of kakera by himself.

He will live in his little golden land together with Beatrice.

>>5959886
Personalities don't die. You can say they merge with the host, or simply are under control. But they don't die. Any psychologist or psychotherapist will tell you that much.

>>5959860

>they run away together

Then they show up at Tohya's doorstep and beat the shit out of her for slandering their family several times over and keeping the truth to herself.

That would counteract some of the bitter.

>>5959873
Battler didn't experienced 100 years of sufferment due a lesbian witch and a bored writer abusing mikos.

>>5959886
The don't. They fuse with the "main one" in fact. Which Shkannon is also doing by the way, cf ep6, after the trial. But the problem here is the red truth.

>>5959893

In the book she says those parts of her are catatonic, non responsive at all. And she treated them dead I think. That's her way of seeing things anyway.

Truddi never did merge her personalities in the end.

>>5959866
>I saw mixed reactions on the Japanese side personally.

How are most of the reactions for the japanese community? espescially for the Tea party?

>>5959708
>>5959686
>>5959701

Umineko's narrative turned out to be initially just a fictional work. So, the premise given initially was invalidated.

This was replaced by a higher level of narrative, while still following the lower one. Now, the lower one, this supposed fictional work that was meant to hide the truth... revealed it. So, what was its point in the first place? This ending basically breaks Umineko's premise, rather than resolve it, and doesn't really replace it with anything.

That's why I think there's still some twist to be introduced about this supposed truth next episode.

Though i'm hard gay for Bern, am i the only one who didn't expected her engaging a magic fight?

>>5959928
She's a psycho, i actually was expecting it, she has an awful humour when getting mad.n Lambda on the other hand is more collected and would use psychological warfare at most.

>>5959856

It's well liked here due to homolust and the possibility of Leon being a trap. And maybe also few epic Bern moments.

>>5959926

EP8 probably follows the higher narrative (Tohya's world) where it's revealed that there are some members of the Ushiromiyas left. Plus, given that it is the highest level world some backstory or humanization may happen which overwrites some of Bern's story.

But it will still be bittersweet of course.

In the mean time, I find Bern's story perfectly serviceable. The "answer" for the game is done. All that's left is wrap-up and waiting for the author to finish.

At first I loved this episode.

But after thinking a bit about the truth of Umineko, seriously the main plot is terrible at this point.

But we still have a whole episode and possibly some bonuses left.

>>5959909
YASU IS THE CULPRIT
Kyrie and Rudolf = 3rd rate villain
Battler at 12, the biggest landmine known to man
Will&Leon so kawai XD by some fujoshi.

Most of the reactions from the Umineko fans in Japan are like this

>>5959993
>Battler at 12, the biggest landmine known to man

I lol'd.

>>5959993
biggest landmine?huh what.

Not sure if anyone online who remember my stream but i wasn't able to stream yesterday. Due to impulse life decisions.

And was wondering if anyone was still interested me finishing the stream latter today?

It's at the 3rd story of mintrice's reading rainbow fun time.

Let me know!

>>5960002
Battler is the reason why the murders happened and the bomb going off and killing everybody.

>>5959993
>Kyrie and Rudolf = 3rd rate villain

=(

>>5960016
Yes, when?

Did we really read the same Umineko?

>>5959993

Not that different here I guess

>>5960030
7 mst

>Zepar, gaap and furfur in the same image in-game
my eyes.

>>5960016

I'm there.

>>5960031
Wait, are you saying that these are all fake spoilers?

Yasu basically pulled a Kohaku.
She didn't kill anyone but she still manipulated everything from the shadow.

>>5960050
LOL

>>5960050
*keikaku

>>5960050
She wasn't raped either.

>>5960062
Yeah.
Kohaku had reasons to do what she did.
Yasu was sad because she didn't get her pony

>>5960074
Will ;_;

>>5960074
dat Will's eyes

>>5960050
WELCOME BACK, BATTLER-KUN

Complete slowpoke here.
So Battler's sin was really forgetting Yasu/Shannon when he left the family 6 years before the events?

>>5960099
He promised to free Yasu the year after, but Asumu died and he left the family.

Battler didn't forgot about Yasu.
What happened that the one who told Yasu that there was no letters for her was GEORGE.
Remember how he was always in love with her and how he was jealous of Battler.

Yeah shit happened because of that fucking fat fat fat

>>5960103

Fucking ponies.

Anyway, what's the best new track in EP7? Are there any battle tracks at all?

>>5960109
Golden nocturne is good, but the new 'battle' track is executioner

>>5960108
Fuck yeah!
Gimme some of dat FAT!

>>5960108
>What happened that the one who told Yasu that there was no letters for her was GEORGE.
Remember how he was always in love with her and how he was jealous of Battler.
this could very well be spot on, after all, him leaving his bitterness behind happened in Battler's scenario of magical LOVE and sugar and ribbons.

GEORGE TRASHED BATTLER'S LETTER
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST

>>5960126

I "heard" it in my head first actually...

>>5960103
Thanks.
So I guess EP8 will feature Kyrie and Rudolf backstories, with some Battler, Ange and Asumu for good measure.

>>5960108
Oh my god, you're right. That makes perfect sense. He has a motive and everything. And knowing how absolutely ratshit insane Yasu is, that really could do it.

>>5960109
>>5960109
Golden Nocturne - Will vs Claire
ridicule - Kyrie/Rudolf killing spree start
黄泉津比良坂Corruption - Kyrie/Rudolf killing spree continue
the executioner - Will vs Bern

the executioner and corruption are pretty great.

>>5960117

>executioner

Holy shit. This blew my fucking mind.

Bern saved this episode. Without her it would be ultra boring crap about a trap with at least 5 personalities. She made it awesome.

But still, Umineko's main story is really stupid. Hopefully EP8 will somehow fix that.

>>5960133
We can expect a "happier" tale for Ange to soothe her soul.
;__;

>>5960136

Wait. Will fights Clare?

Why? She doesn't seem hostile.

>>5960146
She's not. It's not really a "fight". Claire asks Will to solve all of Beatrice's closed room mysteries and put down the illusion of the witch. Will is a total class act about it.

Of course, it's all keikaku doori for Bern, but...

>>5960145

I think a good Meta World plotline would be Battler ascending/descending the steps of purgatory into Hell so he can become a Creator and make a happy ending. Of course this is being a Creator is fucking horrifying as the TIPS imply. It's suitably badass, and I can imagine him facing a final boss (please make it some version of Kyrie) near the end.

Those TIPS about Creators need some damn pay off some time.

>>5960146
Claire is what is left of Beatrice during the funeral.Will destroys all her mysteries in EP1-4 for let her rest in peace.

>>5960155
What, you want him to write another fanfiction but with a good end?
How would it be satisfying?

>>5960157
After that, Bern has the corpse show a play and after that she starts dissecting that corpse. Yay!

FUCK THIS SHIT.I WANT MY EP8.WINTER COMIKET SO FAR AWAY.THE SOONER IT ENDS IS BETTER SO I WOULD LAY MY BROKEN HEART TO REST ;____;

New thread needed

>>5960161

Creator are able to "create" Kakeras out of nothingness, so he would be able to create a parallel world where a happy ending would be possible I guess.

>>5960133

I think there is still a lot we may not know.

Imagine something like that:
Rosa spiked the tea she gave Kumasawa to make everybody easier to "negotiate" with. At the same time the meal Gohda made was also spiked by Natsuhi to daze/calm all the adults and make them less aggressive during the inheritance negotiations. Two drugs reacted with each other causing side effects like increased aggression.

>>5960161

Isn't that what he's planning to do anyway? I think Creators area logical step up from GM's. They're no longer weaving tales, but creating actual worlds. I think this is what would make Ange happy instead of fiction again. I think Lambda even foreshadows this a little, Battler isn't a witch of miracles, he's a witch who summons miracles to him, someone who can create them.

Of course this is Meta as all hell and won't fit with 1998 Ange and Battler/someone else surviving till then, and is just my preference. Then again 1998 Ange kinda wants this too. People seem to believe Ryu's a sucker for happy endings and this is what I consider a logical way to go about it.

>>5960180
Except Kakera is confirmed to mean the same thing as "game" and "fiction" in episode 7.
There is absolutely no parallel universe in Umineko

New thead: >>5960189

>>5960187
That would an escapism ending.

>>5960188

Let's not be so sure about that.

I just can't believe Ryu will simply discard all the episodes as pure fiction. We still don't know how exactly the Meta World work.

>>5960198
That's what he does.
That's why there is only one truth.
It's not it's a theory or something, it's clearly stated.

>>5960109
I've been listening to the_end_of_the_world_inst_mst.ogg for over a day straight. It's beautiful.
So is なまえのないうた_EDsize.ogg.

>>5960155
>Those TIPS about Creators need some damn pay off some time.
THIS. I've been waiting for this the WHOLE FUCKING SERIES.
"lol maria could grow up to be a Creator" isn't going to cut it.